#hazzy | Logs for 2018-10-09

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[00:35:53] <Lcvette> Hurray!!!
[00:36:40] * hazzy-m uploaded an image: Screenshot_2018-10-09_00-36-30.png (41KB) < https://matrix.org >
[00:36:56] <hazzy-m> loads of new status labels today
[00:37:34] <Lcvette> I don't know what that is
[00:37:41] <Lcvette> But hurray!!!
[00:37:50] <Lcvette> Lol
[00:38:12] <hazzy-m> The labels you use for showing the override values etc. You've used them a lot, LOL
[00:38:31] <Lcvette> I did?
[00:38:54] <hazzy-m> yes, but you may not have realized it
[00:38:55] <Lcvette> Oh the QLabels
[00:39:29] <hazzy-m> yes, they are the custom qlabels that show machine status chosen from the dropdown automagicaly
[00:39:32] <Lcvette> Oooh, need some more of those!!
[00:39:43] <hazzy-m> You have them all now!
[00:39:44] <hazzy-m> :)
[00:39:48] <Lcvette> And some input boxes
[00:39:57] <Lcvette> I do?
[00:40:04] <Lcvette> Sweet!!
[00:40:09] <hazzy-m> Tool diameters and everything should be there now
[00:40:16] <hazzy-m> offsets etc.
[00:40:30] <Lcvette> Whaaaaaaaaat!!!
[00:40:40] <Lcvette> You have to tell me these things
[00:41:00] <hazzy-m> I just made them about 30min ago :P
[00:41:29] <Lcvette> Ah!
[00:43:00] <Lcvette> Did you save everything on the hkraken?
[00:43:36] <hazzy-m> not yet
[00:43:46] <Lcvette> Ok
[00:43:58] <Lcvette> Let me know when you do and I'll go scope it out
[00:44:03] <Lcvette> So exciting!!
[00:44:10] <Lcvette> Whoop whoop!
[00:44:14] <hazzy-m> I will
[00:44:21] <hazzy-m> it is exciting!
[00:44:57] <hazzy-m> problem is this is in the multi spindle branch, and you don't have multi spindle LCNC yet :(
[00:45:04] <hazzy-m> and multi spindle LCNC is a little broken :(
[00:45:21] <hazzy-m> been spending a lot of time on it, but my PRs have not been merged yet
[00:46:16] <hazzy-m> I'll see what I can do to get it working in the meantime
[00:46:18] <Lcvette> Well, what is alitte broken?
[00:46:50] <hazzy-m> QtPyVCP won't run
[00:47:32] <Lcvette> Because lcnc is broken?
[00:47:39] <hazzy-m> yes
[00:47:41] <hazzy-m> are you at your PC?
[00:47:47] <Lcvette> Alpha release
[00:47:51] <Lcvette> No
[00:47:56] <hazzy-m> ok
[00:48:10] <Lcvette> In the shop still
[00:48:25] <hazzy-m> Oh noice!
[00:48:33] <hazzy-m> your having fun
[00:48:39] <Lcvette> Not really
[00:48:57] <hazzy-m> better than sitting at a PC any day
[00:48:57] <Lcvette> Just getting things prepped for tomorrow's work
[00:49:19] <Lcvette> I miss working on the GUI
[00:49:27] <Lcvette> I enjoyed it immensely
[00:49:49] <hazzy-m> excellent!
[00:50:09] <hazzy-m> well hopefully you will be able to get back on it soon!
[00:52:57] <Lcvette> Two cars to fix to go
[00:53:03] <Lcvette> Meh
[00:53:09] <Lcvette> And not for work
[00:53:12] <Lcvette> Fun*
[00:53:18] <Lcvette> Repair work
[00:53:23] <Lcvette> The worst type
[00:53:42] <Lcvette> I only barely enjoy performance work anymore
[00:53:48] <Lcvette> Lol
[00:53:51] <hazzy-m> hopefully by the time you get those done I will have this stuff ready for you
[00:53:55] <Lcvette> And loath repair work
[00:54:17] <hazzy-m> Yeah, once it becomes works it's not as enjoyable
[00:54:25] <Lcvette> Yup
[00:54:43] <hazzy-m> why does it have to be that way ?
[00:54:45] <hazzy-m> lol
[00:55:02] <Lcvette> I love my business work
[00:55:12] <Lcvette> Making and design
[00:55:38] <Lcvette> But wrenching anymore is not as fun as it was when I was your age
[00:55:52] <Lcvette> Aches and pains everywhere
[00:56:26] <Lcvette> Lower back starts hurting bending over a hood from years of doing it in my younger years
[00:56:40] <Lcvette> Hands cramp up
[01:33:08] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 033 commits to 03master [+0/-0/±3] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/a397e8d4e3d984585b303bee6cca4e7b2955ed00...2d106f9509f41247538bbeac97b81e9f4a9701d9
[01:33:10] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03335be1b - Revert "bugfix: change var name so don't shadow actions" This reverts commit e1b8736a71c6cb27ad41e833cfe9bbd0413a0df3.
[01:33:11] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 030472cb9 - bigfix bug bugfix
[01:33:13] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 032d106f9 - examples: speed up QtPyVCP splash gcode
[01:33:27] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 036 commits to 03MultiSpindle [+0/-0/±7] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/e81b2dc31251817f91b776769ab45657a8214478...b2398df02842da9f08e7afb2d601659d6d95e807
[01:33:29] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03025932a - status: joint status class per joint
[01:33:30] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03e7a4da5 - examples: add labels demo VCP
[01:33:32] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03335be1b - Revert "bugfix: change var name so don't shadow actions" This reverts commit e1b8736a71c6cb27ad41e833cfe9bbd0413a0df3.
[01:33:33] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] ... and 3 more commits.
[01:47:26] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 032 commits to 03MultiSpindle [+0/-0/±3] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/b2398df02842da9f08e7afb2d601659d6d95e807...b7a3718c985a179238db826c78c2d2d941db7137
[01:47:27] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 038b63bfa - widgets: kill status label debug prints
[01:47:29] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03b7a3718 - silence error messages
[01:49:00] <hazzy-m> my neighbor always says "getting old is not for sissies" :)
[01:49:01] <hazzy-m> gn8
[06:17:50] <jthornton> morning
[06:38:18] <TurBoss> hello!
[07:00:23] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07TurBoss opened merge request 03!18: Work offsets dialog - 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/merge_requests/18
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[10:50:14] <hazzy-m> morning
[10:50:57] <robotustra> morning
[11:20:07] <TurBoss> HELLO
[11:20:09] <TurBoss> hello*
[11:20:57] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07TurBoss closed merge request 03!18: Work offsets dialog - 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/merge_requests/18
[11:21:15] <hazzy-m> hey!
[11:21:20] <hazzy-m> why did you close it?
[11:21:25] <hazzy-m> I just merged, lol
[11:21:27] <TurBoss> conflicts
[11:21:32] <TurBoss> Oo?
[11:21:37] <hazzy-m> I fixed it
[11:21:39] <TurBoss> mew
[11:21:46] <TurBoss> I can reopen
[11:21:53] <TurBoss> sorry didn't notice xD
[11:22:01] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07TurBoss reopened merge request 03!18: Work offsets dialog - 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/merge_requests/18
[11:22:08] <robotustra> Is there any documentation about cannonical g-code format?
[11:22:10] <hazzy-m> It's fine!
[11:22:12] <hazzy-m> haha
[11:22:14] <hazzy-m> ty
[11:22:16] <TurBoss> openend again
[11:23:07] <hazzy-m> robotustra: I am not aware of any, but I would think there is some, at least from the NIST days
[11:28:27] <robotustra> what I'm looking for - the description of all these operations: http://codepad.org
[11:28:47] <robotustra> especially ARC_FEED
[11:35:40] <hazzy-m> yes, I don't know of any docs, but I'm sure there are some, but you may have to do some digging
[11:39:48] <hazzy-m> TurBoss: There are a lot of problems with the way the dialogs are loaded, I'm just going to merge the offset dialog .py file for now, and I'll reworkd the loading methods
[11:42:32] <TurBoss> thanks
[11:43:19] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 031 commit to 03master [+1/-0/±0] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/2d106f9509f41247538bbeac97b81e9f4a9701d9...1d2a8c97f87254f6b5ee4fae3f9a2dd6bcf16f87
[11:43:20] <Not-778c> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 031d2a8c9 - Merge branch 'offsets_dialog'
[12:15:26] <robotustra> are you working full time on this thing?
[12:16:14] <robotustra> it looks like I find the right document http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu
[12:16:25] <hazzy-m> just about
[12:20:43] <robotustra> are you get paid for this?
[12:20:51] <robotustra> or it's just a hobby?
[12:21:01] <hazzy-m> just a hobby
[12:22:02] <robotustra> full time hobby?
[12:22:50] <hazzy-m> right now it is, LOL
[12:23:36] <robotustra> and how do you get money to live?
[12:24:15] <robotustra> wish I have such hobby full time, but were to get money to feed family?
[12:25:49] <robotustra> what about other programmers in this room? do they work on it full time?
[12:27:02] <hazzy-m> I am a student. I was starting a masters in nuclear engineering but the board of regents canceled the program, so I could not continue very easily. So i decided to take the time I would have spent on the masters to learn as much programing as I could and play with industrial automation
[12:27:52] <robotustra> ah, ok, you are student and don't need big money to feed family :)
[12:29:09] <hazzy-m> Lcvette runs his own company and TurBoss works for a company that makes tiles, they just work on this partly because they hope to use it in the companies and for fun
[12:29:15] <robotustra> I have to finish my gui in 1-2 month and come back to machine and robots building
[12:29:52] <robotustra> ok, it means they are interested in building tools
[12:30:10] <robotustra> that's why they invest time
[12:30:27] <hazzy-m> yes, I can leave on very little, no family yet. I make what money I need doing odd jobs, making parts for people and doing some mechanical design work
[12:30:56] <robotustra> I would build such tools if I got paid full ime :)
[12:31:30] <robotustra> but unfortunately there is no such community which can hire a programmers like me :)
[12:32:37] <robotustra> I wish there is a free hobby tools community which funds the free CAD/CAM system
[12:32:51] <robotustra> systems creation*
[12:33:05] <hazzy-m> yes, that would be great!
[12:33:17] <robotustra> like full free toolchain
[12:33:49] <robotustra> so that community could elect a full time programmer to build a toolchain
[12:34:08] <robotustra> and give this toolchain for free.
[12:35:49] <robotustra> may be not 1 programmer, but 2-3 to work on tool chain in parallel
[12:36:51] <robotustra> it this case hobby machinists will have modern toolchain competing with other monsters cads
[12:40:06] <Lcvette> > my neighbor always says "getting old is not for sissies" :)
[12:40:07] <Lcvette> Indeed
[12:43:00] <grijalvap[m]> hi
[12:43:01] <Lcvette> Turboss, still wearing with the offsets?
[12:43:09] <TurBoss> no
[12:43:10] <Lcvette> Wrestling*
[12:43:19] <Lcvette> Hi
[12:43:23] <TurBoss> Hello
[12:43:31] <grijalvap[m]> it has been a long time, I was very busy on my work
[12:43:32] <hazzy-m> hey Pedro!
[12:44:06] <grijalvap[m]> I following the conversation about to hire one or two full time programers to have the tool chain
[12:44:16] <Lcvette> Hey Hazzy, hey Pedro, hey turboss
[12:45:10] <grijalvap[m]> I posted someting similar in the forum but for make inprovements to the trajectory planner
[12:45:19] <grijalvap[m]> and have one with less jerk
[12:45:48] <grijalvap[m]> I think it is a very good idea to have a full time programer
[12:46:06] <grijalvap[m]> an i think we can have a kind of donation from the community
[12:46:13] <hazzy-m> Yes, if we had a jerk limited planer LCNC would realy turn heads!
[12:46:20] <grijalvap[m]> also we can start a crowfounding campaing
[12:46:52] <robotustra> well
[12:47:13] <grijalvap[m]> or someting similar what do you think
[12:47:32] <robotustra> the programmer should know the defined task list
[12:48:12] <robotustra> as for me lcnc could evolve much faster if there will be somebody working full time on it
[12:49:11] <robotustra> I did gui myself in 2 monthes, I think I can finish it 95% in 2 monthes from here alone working on it part time
[12:50:18] <robotustra> I think jerking is a solvable problem
[12:50:38] <grijalvap[m]> there is a lot of people using LCN that can donate some money to achieve the required gooals
[12:51:13] <hazzy-m> rmu started work on a jerk limited planer, initial tests were impressive
[12:51:25] <grijalvap[m]> does any body know if someting similar was done in the past?
[12:51:57] <hazzy-m> well, tormach contributed a lot to the new trajectory planner
[12:52:14] <hazzy-m> and I think several other companies have as well
[12:52:24] <hazzy-m> But they tend to keep it quiet
[12:52:50] <robotustra> I need free good hobby cnc toolchain
[12:53:00] <robotustra> who need it too?
[12:53:17] <robotustra> I think a lot of people
[12:53:39] <robotustra> also I need good stable usable cad/cam system
[12:53:43] <grijalvap[m]> correct
[12:54:22] <grijalvap[m]> what do you think is the best way to propose this to the comunity
[12:54:24] <robotustra> which can provide compartibility with all previous systems
[12:54:58] <robotustra> the best way is to start a compain
[12:56:01] <robotustra> campain*
[12:56:22] <robotustra> not necessary funding
[12:56:23] <grijalvap[m]> well may be we can start clearly defining the scope
[12:56:33] <grijalvap[m]> and then start the campaing
[12:56:34] <robotustra> it is
[12:56:59] <robotustra> 1) formulate clearly which tools need to be created
[12:57:20] <robotustra> 2) specify the technical list of these tools
[12:57:50] <robotustra> 3) estimate the amount of work including what was already done in lcnc
[12:58:05] <robotustra> 4) propose it to community
[12:58:43] <robotustra> 5) select a paid programmers team
[12:59:18] <grijalvap[m]> I need to do someting come back in a minutes
[12:59:50] <robotustra> 6) allow other part time hobby programmers to participate in code development.
[13:00:55] <robotustra> 7) provide community free tools for testing and use feedback to improve tools
[13:01:19] <robotustra> 8) as soon as tools are finalized publish tools.
[13:03:38] <robotustra> If to split the money for programmers among all community it could be much cheaper than any licence payment a month for any non free cad/cam system
[13:05:17] <Lcvette> good luck with that
[13:05:26] <grijalvap[m]> ist sounds like a good plan
[13:05:50] <grijalvap[m]> what other people here think about?
[13:06:36] <Lcvette> it violates the basic fundamental lcnc was founded on which is it is free
[13:07:09] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: +1
[13:07:17] <robotustra> the software will be free, the money goes for food
[13:07:29] <Lcvette> you'll never move that line in the sand
[13:07:49] <robotustra> it is, but line in the sand doesn't write code
[13:08:14] <robotustra> it's just a way to speed up toolchain development
[13:08:18] <Lcvette> community members do
[13:08:23] <Lcvette> im not saying its a great system
[13:08:37] <Lcvette> im just saying its what is the founding principal of linuxcnc
[13:09:02] <hazzy-m> and all FOSS projects in general
[13:09:19] <robotustra> I understand
[13:10:16] <grijalvap[m]> understood I don't know all the details about the LCNC licenses
[13:10:18] <robotustra> s I told - as a hobby project I can do GUI in 4 month, if I work on it full time and get somewhere money to feed my family I would make it in 1 month
[13:10:55] <robotustra> I don't need money to become reach, I just need to get some food to not to go to work :)
[13:11:13] <robotustra> and software still will be free
[13:11:18] <grijalvap[m]> but I see a greeat advance on the KICAD pcb software since it has been part of the CERN project
[13:12:01] <robotustra> if a team cares about something it can evolve much faster
[13:12:08] <robotustra> the thing can evolve
[13:12:51] <grijalvap[m]> and I think some think similar can hapen to LCNC if we can speed Up the development of Key bloks like the tool chank and limited jerk TP
[13:12:56] <robotustra> prinsiples of FOSS are not violated in here, there is no lines about food for programmers in the licence :)
[13:13:12] <Lcvette> anytime you monetize a product you incetivise it... but that becomes capitalistic
[13:13:18] <robotustra> lcnc is already 18 years old?
[13:13:37] <robotustra> Lcvette, I don't want to monetize anything
[13:13:44] <Lcvette> you say jerk, are you using exact stop?
[13:13:56] <Lcvette> you are looking for compensation
[13:14:50] <robotustra> exact stop would be slow
[13:15:24] <robotustra> anyway it was bad idea
[13:15:41] <robotustra> I continue to develop myself
[13:15:54] <Lcvette> so you ar eusing G64?
[13:15:59] <hazzy-m> robotustra: The EMC/LCNC project was started by NIST in the mid 90s, it is getting pretty old!
[13:16:25] <grijalvap[m]> does any body know how tormatch did to change the TP?
[13:17:54] <robotustra> so the project is more than 20 years old and still not very user friendly
[13:17:55] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: the current planner is limited acceleration, but jerk (rate if change of acceleration) still spices to infinity. a limited jerk planner not only limits acceleration but also jerk whick can make machines able to run faster without developing resonances etc.
[13:18:34] <Lcvette> robotustra, if you use a G64 for your roughing moves with a P value for confining the deviation and then G61 for finishing you should eliminate alot of the jerk action
[13:19:02] <hazzy-m> robotustra: It has gotten much better, but because it is so old the documentation is a huge mess
[13:19:16] <Lcvette> what feed rates are you cutting at that you are seeing jerk?
[13:19:58] <robotustra> Lcvette, the question about jerk was not mine at all
[13:20:34] <Lcvette> oops.. sorry
[13:20:36] <robotustra> ok, I go read NIST docs
[13:20:37] <Lcvette> :D
[13:20:49] <Lcvette> same question to grijalvap
[13:21:25] <grijalvap[m]> well the jerk was really an exaple because this is someting the comercial software is doing well
[13:21:38] <hazzy-m> for most machine tools jerk is not a big deal, since acceleration and speeds are low. But on robots it is very significant
[13:21:58] <grijalvap[m]> and I think it is a good idea to improve in LCNC
[13:23:49] <hazzy-m> grijalvap I absolutly agree on that!
[13:23:58] <hazzy-m> Unfortunately the LCNC project has become a little stagnant, I think mainly because after the Axis/Joint improvements there was never an official release.
[13:24:57] <hazzy-m> Not sure what to do to revive it, but I think releasing 2.8 would be a good start
[13:25:24] <robotustra> it's stagnant because you can't run any significant distance without fuel
[13:26:15] <hazzy-m> touche
[13:26:53] <robotustra> Lcvette don't accept the idea to hire full time progremmers for food for a some period of time
[13:27:07] <robotustra> it violates FOSS rules
[13:27:56] <robotustra> even Stollman eats something sometimes
[13:31:13] <Lcvette> I accept it, but it becomes a business
[13:32:41] <Lcvette> it also opens up a world of other issues
[13:32:45] <Lcvette> who are you accountable too?
[13:33:04] <robotustra> ok, do you know what amount of code in linux OS was written by professional programmers?
[13:33:09] <Lcvette> who manages the accounting?
[13:34:14] <Lcvette> someone now needs to handle taxes for lcnc
[13:34:35] <Lcvette> so you see it is more than just a simple proposal
[13:34:38] <robotustra> programmer(s) themself
[13:35:00] <Lcvette> as soon as compensation occurs it must be deemed a business even if it is a not for profit
[13:35:15] <Lcvette> and must file and operate as such
[13:35:41] <Lcvette> you are better off starting a go fund me page
[13:35:50] <Lcvette> and removing lcnc from the equation
[13:36:00] <robotustra> I just proposed an idea, that core team of programmers 2-3 people, HIRED by a community to speed up the code development
[13:36:17] <Lcvette> right
[13:36:25] <Lcvette> BUT you proposed a license
[13:36:33] <robotustra> no
[13:36:44] <robotustra> you missread me
[13:37:03] <robotustra> the designed code will be free
[13:37:11] <Lcvette> If to split the money for programmers among all community it could be much cheaper than any licence payment a month for any non free cad/cam system
[13:37:20] <Lcvette> perhaps i misinterperet?
[13:37:38] <robotustra> probably
[13:37:49] <Lcvette> this was your quote above
[13:37:57] <Lcvette> "If to split the money for programmers among all community it could be much cheaper than any licence payment a month for any non free cad/cam system"
[13:37:58] * hazzy-m goes afk to earn some money
[13:38:41] <robotustra> I mean that let's say each member of communiny DONATE $5 a month for 1 year
[13:38:51] <robotustra> and that's it
[13:39:02] <Lcvette> ok so maybe do a patreon
[13:39:05] <robotustra> after 1 year, no payment
[13:39:24] <Lcvette> where you show your progress and people can subsribe or unsubscribe based on your posted results
[13:39:29] <robotustra> in 1 year a group of programmers do the task list
[13:40:05] <robotustra> in 1 year they are doing and reporting the progress
[13:40:27] <robotustra> donations goes like a contract payment
[13:40:50] <Lcvette> no
[13:40:56] <robotustra> 1 year sprint - and everyone have a decent toolchain almost for free
[13:41:19] <robotustra> I think the donation could be less than 1$
[13:41:34] <Lcvette> im affraid best you can hope for is doing a patreon or go fund me to raise money to sustain yourself during programming
[13:42:06] <Lcvette> and me personally i would only be willing to do patreod subscription and maintain it based on updated results of work effort
[13:42:36] <robotustra> for now I have a good job to dedicate a bit of time for hobby project, but it could not last long time
[13:43:21] <robotustra> most probably I'll just write stuff for myself and share it as is
[13:43:45] <robotustra> people do not understand what is work for food
[13:44:22] <robotustra> "do not want to collaborate or listen" (c) DieAntwort
[13:44:38] <Lcvette> ?
[13:44:42] <Lcvette> dude
[13:45:05] <robotustra> Lcvette, no, it's not about you, it's about everything
[13:45:14] <Lcvette> we have been collaborating in here for months now
[13:45:24] <robotustra> I know
[13:45:24] <Lcvette> 4free
[13:45:28] <robotustra> yep
[13:45:52] <robotustra> if you had a full time programmer you would already have a job done
[13:45:57] <robotustra> that's what I mean
[13:46:01] <Lcvette> sure
[13:46:08] <Lcvette> but thats not the scenario
[13:46:15] <robotustra> I see
[13:46:29] <robotustra> that's why you can forget my ideas
[13:46:31] <grijalvap[m]> yes this has been a good colaborating project I'm sorry for the proposal I think It disturb the good work
[13:46:59] <grijalvap[m]> may be this can be a good idea but in other forum
[13:47:00] <Lcvette> we also try and recruit people who have time to spend here and there
[13:47:20] <Lcvette> but towards the end unfortunately the talent level becomes steep
[13:47:26] <grijalvap[m]> lets continue whith the original purpose of this
[13:47:34] <Lcvette> and the resource pool shrinks drastically
[13:48:33] <Lcvette> your thoughts have merit robotustra, but a hard contracted monetization compensation method simply won't meet the criteria of LCNC
[13:48:55] <Lcvette> i have given you some option you could pursue that may work though
[13:49:42] <Lcvette> but the issue with that is that everyone who invests will ultimately have requests
[13:49:43] <robotustra> the number of programmers in the world doubles every 5 years. It means that the 1/2 of programmers has less than 5 years experience. In my opinion such progrmmes hardly can contribute in lcnc much on the base of their experience.
[13:49:43] <Lcvette> lol
[13:50:10] <hazzy-m> grijalvap: No no, no apologies needed! This has been a great discussion to have and I appreatiate that is was brought up. But I agree with Lcvette that it is not the best solution to the problem (and it certainly is a problem, or maybe a better term is difficulty)
[13:50:46] <Lcvette> I agree whole heartedly
[13:50:50] <Lcvette> I am a capitalist
[13:50:54] <Lcvette> HAHAHAHA
[13:51:06] <Lcvette> I have a small business
[13:51:16] <robotustra> I'm bad businessman, so I don't know much about moey
[13:51:20] <robotustra> money*
[13:51:24] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: You are, of the finest degree 😃
[13:51:37] <robotustra> id never run own business before
[13:51:48] <Lcvette> its very reqarding
[13:51:53] <Lcvette> rewarding
[13:52:00] <Lcvette> and very much alot of hard work
[13:52:17] <robotustra> that's why all ideas about payment are too abstract for me
[13:52:22] <Lcvette> you wear many hats and come to understand the intracacies of business principals as a whole
[13:52:46] <Lcvette> thank you Hazzy!
[13:53:26] <robotustra> my ideas are 1) create cnc usable cnc toolchain for myself
[13:53:36] <robotustra> 2) give it to people for free
[13:53:50] <Lcvette> yes
[13:54:02] <Lcvette> that is very un capitalistic
[13:54:06] <robotustra> but the 2 step is treaky: I have to be sure that the tool will be useful for them
[13:54:07] <Lcvette> lol
[13:54:54] <Lcvette> the best way to do that is to make it broad
[13:55:27] <Lcvette> mimic commercial type
[13:55:33] <Lcvette> they have done most of the hard research for you already
[13:55:35] <hazzy-m> robotustra: and that can work, under very special conditions (just like the health care system where you live)
[13:55:55] <Lcvette> where do you live?
[13:56:10] <robotustra> I don't even talk about money, I don't care about money at all. what I care about is a speed of development. When you are doing intense deveopment you can do much more with comparison to situation when you have to switch between tasks. Life is finite. I need to compress the development as much as possible in time.
[13:56:41] <robotustra> montreal
[13:57:36] <Lcvette> ahhhhhh
[13:58:09] <robotustra> 2) give my tools for people for free means that I have to be sure I did people want features I implemented
[13:58:35] <robotustra> and they will be usable by anybody but me
[13:58:35] <Lcvette> how do you do that?
[13:58:44] <robotustra> do what?
[13:59:05] <Lcvette> " I have to be sure I did people want features I implemented"
[13:59:23] <robotustra> read forums and understand what people want
[13:59:32] <robotustra> talk with people and ask
[13:59:43] <Lcvette> big task
[13:59:49] <robotustra> it is
[13:59:59] <Lcvette> and risky
[14:00:09] <robotustra> not at all
[14:00:49] <robotustra> as soon as I'll be the 1st user I already know 80% of what I need and most of hobby machinists face with
[14:01:34] <Lcvette> so whose input will you use and whose will you ignore?
[14:02:13] <robotustra> on the base of relevance and minimal necessary functionality
[14:02:21] <robotustra> incremental development
[14:02:54] <robotustra> 1) make simple but working tollchain form start to finish
[14:03:13] <robotustra> 2) iteratively add new features
[14:03:26] <robotustra> on the base of votes
[14:03:30] <robotustra> for instance
[14:03:56] <Lcvette> seems reasonable
[14:04:10] <Lcvette> and this will be inside your one year window or after?
[14:04:28] <robotustra> I think it's doable in 1 year
[14:04:46] <robotustra> I already have 40-50% of core code
[14:04:47] <Lcvette> and then who will maintain it?
[14:05:20] <Lcvette> as we all know software is never really finished
[14:05:39] <robotustra> it could be a maintain sessions, let's say 1 month in a 1/2 of year
[14:06:12] <robotustra> professionals know how to make code durable
[14:06:30] <Lcvette> sure but it needs to be flexible for change
[14:06:31] <robotustra> look into lcnc routings
[14:06:31] <grijalvap[m]> I have to go, Thanks for you r aytention
[14:06:45] <robotustra> flexible - means modular
[14:06:50] <robotustra> it's a must
[14:07:16] <Lcvette> look at LCNC currently having to adapt to the changes in hardware
[14:07:26] <Lcvette> connectivity
[14:07:57] <Lcvette> what im getting at is there is no such thing as a one and done with software
[14:08:17] <robotustra> pro can fix lcnc things 5 times faster than any hobbiest programmers
[14:08:51] <Lcvette> one of the all time best cash cows of capitalism is software for its ongoing evolution, upgrades, improvements etc
[14:09:18] <Lcvette> sure but the infratructure to do so needs to be in place
[14:09:31] <robotustra> cad/cam do not need so often updates as an lcnc, because they are on a higher level a bit
[14:10:06] <robotustra> capitalist should die soon
[14:10:11] <Lcvette> i don't know about that
[14:10:16] <Lcvette> lol
[14:10:20] <Lcvette> yeah?
[14:10:26] <robotustra> did you hear about altruism?
[14:10:58] <robotustra> altruisme*
[14:10:58] <Lcvette> tell me
[14:11:19] <robotustra> https://image.slidesharecdn.com
[14:11:23] <Lcvette> is that what is making Canada into the super power it is?
[14:11:33] <hazzy-m> Lol
[14:12:42] <robotustra> let's say I make a tool for myself - does it helps me? yes. does it help humans to evolve? no
[14:13:12] <robotustra> if you are taking something from people you should give back something
[14:13:15] <Lcvette> so you give it to the world
[14:13:28] <robotustra> and it's not money
[14:13:36] <robotustra> yes, for free
[14:13:48] <Lcvette> and if someone grows potatoes and has them they feed him but not others so he should share it with them as well?
[14:14:05] <Lcvette> yeah they tried that somewhere if i recall... didn't work out so well
[14:14:10] <robotustra> true to some extent
[14:14:27] <robotustra> code is not a matter
[14:14:37] <robotustra> code is an ideas
[14:15:10] <robotustra> if you have an idea and I have an idea - if we share - I have 2 ideas and you have 2 ideas
[14:15:17] <Lcvette> robo... my man.. you are a treat my friend
[14:15:24] <Lcvette> but you have done one very simple thing here
[14:15:42] <Lcvette> failed to step back and look at the simple picture you yourself have painted
[14:16:13] <Lcvette> you can make code, but need to eat
[14:16:21] <robotustra> true
[14:16:30] <robotustra> I'll find food myself
[14:16:36] <Lcvette> you canmake code faster if you don't have to worry about eating while you make code
[14:16:50] <robotustra> true
[14:17:00] <Lcvette> you want to get money for food to make code faster
[14:17:04] <Lcvette> because its more efficient
[14:17:08] <robotustra> true
[14:17:16] <Lcvette> its even more efficient if you add more programmers
[14:17:21] <Lcvette> (all your words)
[14:17:33] <robotustra> partially true
[14:17:34] <Lcvette> this is the basis for capitalism
[14:17:44] <robotustra> not true
[14:17:56] <robotustra> it's a basis of any *ism
[14:18:16] <Lcvette> using a simgle common form of currency rather than bartering items for tasks completed
[14:18:48] <robotustra> if I lay down on sofa and will lay like this I'll still will spend about 1200 kKal per day
[14:19:40] <robotustra> also I have wife and kids which spend about the same about of energy
[14:19:53] <robotustra> capitalism is billing me for appartment
[14:20:00] <robotustra> for other stuff
[14:20:47] <robotustra> I don't need money, I need just to pay bills to free my mind to write code for people
[14:21:00] <robotustra> that's how I see it
[14:21:08] <robotustra> and *ism will bill you
[14:21:18] <Lcvette> lol
[14:21:25] <Lcvette> ok its the same thing
[14:21:32] <Lcvette> you can see it how you will
[14:21:46] <Lcvette> but you are earning something for a task
[14:21:57] <robotustra> experience
[14:22:08] <robotustra> and skills
[14:22:10] <Lcvette> i'll gladly pay you in experience
[14:22:12] <Lcvette> lol
[14:22:40] <robotustra> no, you can't and not much americans can
[14:22:51] <robotustra> they just can't think different
[14:23:06] <Lcvette> i see
[14:23:15] <robotustra> money for me is just a sort of potential energy
[14:23:17] <Lcvette> we have been trumpitized
[14:23:36] <robotustra> before you were obamanized
[14:24:00] <Lcvette> unfortunately obama seemed to think more like you guys up there
[14:24:07] <robotustra> let's say you are about to die
[14:24:24] <robotustra> what did you for yourself and for others?
[14:24:52] <robotustra> what is your final bill?
[14:25:08] <robotustra> what is the balance?
[14:25:13] <Lcvette> me?
[14:25:22] <robotustra> for instance, anyone
[14:25:43] <robotustra> I did some artefacts, which can work like 20 years
[14:25:54] <robotustra> they will decay before I die
[14:26:19] <robotustra> it means I produced some pile of rubbish...
[14:26:41] <robotustra> the code is dead if it just sits on my PC
[14:26:49] <robotustra> and die with SSD
[14:27:29] <robotustra> If I can do something useful I can give working code to as many people as possible for free
[14:28:44] <robotustra> "give for free" is an american stuff even. "give
[14:28:47] <Lcvette> i designed and built the US's first Zero Net Energy Residential House, i pressed the Green builders movement forward in hopes to reduce energy consumption for future generations, i started a small business in the perfomance industry specializing in the use of non gasoline fuels for high performance engines to reduce the use of leaded race fuels in the sport and reduce hydrocarbon emissions on a global scale because my
[14:28:48] <Lcvette> capitalistic business is global. and I provided a home a good life for my family.
[14:28:49] <Lcvette> how about you?
[14:28:56] <robotustra> " already means "for free"
[14:29:58] <Lcvette> capitalism didn't hinder me from my accomplishments it motivated me to do them
[14:30:11] <Lcvette> and provided for me to do them
[14:30:25] <Lcvette> instead of fantasizing about what ifs
[14:30:42] <robotustra> it didn't himder me either
[14:30:58] <Lcvette> it has also permitted me to make enough money to work on this project probono to give back for free without whining about compensation
[14:31:04] <robotustra> I lived 3/4 part of my life in socialism
[14:31:30] <robotustra> I just came into capitalism 10 years ago
[14:31:41] <robotustra> and I see that it's not so bad
[14:31:57] <robotustra> bet there are some "BUT"s
[14:32:06] <robotustra> what I did
[14:35:09] <robotustra> 1) I did a bunch of mechanisms, like concrete mixer and mini tractors, built 2 houses, made 14 violins, sold them, repaired >100 violins and bows, moved to canada, built cnc mill. Did not start any movement or community, but may be will.
[14:35:39] <robotustra> do not have money yet to start any business
[14:35:59] <Lcvette> of course you don't have any money
[14:36:19] <robotustra> well, I have some
[14:36:21] <Lcvette> you think like a socialist
[14:36:27] <robotustra> no
[14:36:51] <robotustra> you are mot right, I'm thinking both socialists and capitalism
[14:37:00] <robotustra> *ist
[14:37:31] <robotustra> I do not know how to run business, but I learn fast
[14:38:50] <robotustra> I'm not against the getting money on business, and I'm working on it
[14:39:13] <robotustra> but still, software to grant is not a business
[14:39:47] <robotustra> I would like to take money for physical product, not code
[14:40:17] <robotustra> taking money for code produce a lot of inflation
[14:41:07] <Lcvette> then you view it like i have
[14:41:25] <robotustra> good
[14:41:40] <Lcvette> I made a capital investment of my time towards this project with the knowledge that the product of that investment will be a better system for me but also for others
[14:42:11] <Lcvette> what is your business?
[14:42:26] <robotustra> in linux cnc?
[14:42:44] <Lcvette> you just said you want to make parts
[14:42:58] <Lcvette> products
[14:43:02] <Lcvette> widgets
[14:43:04] <Lcvette> whatevers
[14:43:07] <Lcvette> items
[14:43:17] <robotustra> household robots
[14:43:32] <Lcvette> ok
[14:43:40] <Lcvette> thats the business you want to make
[14:43:49] <robotustra> yes
[14:44:00] <Lcvette> what scale?
[14:44:10] <robotustra> 1.5m tall
[14:44:24] <Lcvette> volume of product?
[14:44:37] <Lcvette> annual sales
[14:44:43] <robotustra> http://i.imgur.com
[14:45:04] <robotustra> early prototype draft
[14:45:21] <robotustra> let's say 1/month
[14:45:49] <Lcvette> what price point?
[14:46:03] <Lcvette> selling price
[14:47:06] <robotustra> I want it to be $10000 for plastic and about $20000 for metal
[14:47:29] <robotustra> it's just an estimation
[14:47:42] <Lcvette> and estimated cost of good sold?
[14:48:01] <robotustra> it should be around $5000
[14:48:23] <robotustra> but the volume should increase of cause
[14:48:43] <robotustra> my target to have such thing for 5k
[14:49:16] <Lcvette> so you want to sell a household robot that costs what a car does
[14:49:26] <Lcvette> how will this make my life better?
[14:49:42] <robotustra> yeah, the robot which can last 10-15 years
[14:50:06] <Lcvette> so $1000/year robot
[14:50:16] <Lcvette> how will this improve my life
[14:50:20] <robotustra> do you know what is "wise house" it's the same but mobile
[14:50:38] <robotustra> avarage american moves once in 5 years
[14:50:53] <robotustra> you can't bring yous wise house with yourself
[14:51:02] <robotustra> but this robot you can bring
[14:51:13] <Lcvette> so your target consumer is american?
[14:51:18] <Lcvette> lol
[14:51:24] <robotustra> or canadians
[14:51:30] <Lcvette> of course it is
[14:51:38] <robotustra> canadians do the same
[14:51:41] <Lcvette> socialists cant afford $20k robots
[14:51:56] <Lcvette> lol
[14:52:07] <robotustra> you are not aware about "new russians
[14:52:12] <robotustra> they can afford
[14:52:26] <robotustra> but market of cause not so big
[14:52:43] <robotustra> at $5k target all europe could be cevered
[14:53:23] <robotustra> covered*
[14:56:20] <Lcvette> im sure, under Putin, Russia has become more of a Capitalistic Monarchy
[14:56:29] <robotustra> it will improve the life even better with cmparison to just wise house, because it can MOVE things, range things in the house, load/unload dishwashers, loundry, prepare or reheat food etc
[14:56:50] <robotustra> don't mix russian with moscow
[14:57:08] <robotustra> moscow had capitalism already 20 years ago
[14:57:25] <robotustra> other russian is still poor
[14:57:47] <Lcvette> many still cling to their socialist communist ways
[14:58:11] <Lcvette> its hard to change the culture of an entire country
[14:58:32] <robotustra> they are, the whole europe is still socialism inclined
[14:58:57] <robotustra> I think socialistic way of thinking may last > 100 years
[14:59:07] <Lcvette> somewhat
[14:59:18] <Lcvette> but not as engrained as it is in the more slavic regions
[14:59:25] <robotustra> canada has a mixture of socialism and capitalism
[14:59:43] <robotustra> true
[14:59:52] <Lcvette> i know
[15:00:00] <Lcvette> thats why it is still there
[15:00:06] <Lcvette> :D
[15:00:06] <robotustra> good transition zone for me
[15:00:24] <robotustra> to accomodate for capitalism
[15:00:33] <Lcvette> the capitalist side carries the socialist side
[15:01:32] <robotustra> so my way is: 1) make lcnc tools 2) build tools to build robot 3) build prototupe 4) build business
[15:01:50] <robotustra> 1.5) grant tools
[15:02:16] <Lcvette> thats one way
[15:02:20] <robotustra> grant software tools
[15:02:22] <Lcvette> do you not have the tools yet?
[15:02:40] <robotustra> not all, I need cnc lathe
[15:02:58] <robotustra> cnc router is not enough to build a robot
[15:03:21] <robotustra> I need to build lathe and run it on lcnc
[15:03:40] <Lcvette> you can do that as it is
[15:04:09] <Lcvette> no need to build a new gui is there?
[15:04:20] <Lcvette> unless you have special functionality?
[15:04:35] <Lcvette> but for prototyping i can't imagine it being necessary
[15:04:41] <robotustra> yes, I would like to put more than usual lathe
[15:04:44] <Lcvette> i made by with basic mach3
[15:04:59] <robotustra> my router runs mach3
[15:05:00] <Lcvette> sure you would like
[15:05:14] <Lcvette> but if you are serious about your business idea that would be the more important goal i would think
[15:05:27] <robotustra> it is
[15:05:40] <Lcvette> you would outsource your production
[15:05:42] <Lcvette> I do
[15:05:57] <Lcvette> until you make enough money to afford larger equipment that can handle true production
[15:06:07] <robotustra> universal gui is a useful tool for all my future project
[15:06:21] <Lcvette> you will have far better parts that way
[15:06:38] <Lcvette> and get to the capitalist money making part quicker as well
[15:06:45] <Lcvette> and not need the "food" money
[15:07:04] <robotustra> if you'll make parts in america the robot will cost a fortune
[15:07:06] <Lcvette> need to think like a bisiness person
[15:07:20] <Lcvette> have them made in china
[15:07:34] <robotustra> anyway I'll not make money on gui
[15:07:56] <robotustra> but this stage could be faster if I could work on it full time of cause
[15:07:58] <Lcvette> i bet you can have the parts made in china almost as cheap as the stock would cost you in canada
[15:08:10] <robotustra> true
[15:08:38] <robotustra> a piece of aluminum cost like 60-80 bax in here
[15:08:45] <Lcvette> so see, no need for the time investment up front for the custom gui
[15:09:12] <robotustra> I dodn't find ANY usable gui under lcnc
[15:09:21] <robotustra> didn't*
[15:09:43] <robotustra> there is just NO usable GUI for linux cnc
[15:09:56] <Lcvette> you are a programmer?
[15:09:57] <robotustra> they all suffer from some issues
[15:10:00] <robotustra> yes
[15:10:15] <robotustra> software/ embedded programmer
[15:10:20] <Lcvette> why not use pathpilot
[15:10:21] <robotustra> c/c++
[15:10:37] <robotustra> what is this?
[15:10:50] <Lcvette> its tormachs version of linuxcnc
[15:11:13] <Lcvette> thats what i had planned on doing before I began this project
[15:11:30] <Lcvette> they have great lathe inteface
[15:11:41] <robotustra> free?
[15:12:22] <robotustra> could you tell me why you don't use any of axis/gmocappy gui?
[15:12:25] <Lcvette> i think there are copies of the iso floating around
[15:12:42] <Lcvette> I have a full VMC
[15:12:46] <Lcvette> with ATC
[15:12:56] <robotustra> what is VMC?
[15:13:05] <Lcvette> Vertical Machining Center
[15:13:10] <robotustra> ok
[15:13:17] <Lcvette> with Automatic Tool Changer
[15:13:23] <robotustra> good
[15:13:35] <Lcvette> I specifically got this with profits to be able to bring some light production in house
[15:14:09] <robotustra> I want the touch screen interface like this at the machine: https://imgur.com
[15:15:02] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (310KB) < https://matrix.org >
[15:15:07] <Lcvette> this is touch screen
[15:15:11] <Lcvette> path pilot
[15:16:02] <robotustra> What I got from capitalism is an understanding that it' impossible to start a production without a material tools
[15:16:19] <robotustra> is it customisible for any machine?
[15:16:30] <Lcvette> sure
[15:16:39] <Lcvette> many are using it on other machines
[15:16:55] <Lcvette> has built in probing too
[15:17:04] <Lcvette> conversational programming
[15:17:06] <Lcvette> its very good
[15:17:19] <robotustra> is it free?
[15:17:24] <Lcvette> but if you are not a programmer its a bit cumbersome to install
[15:18:06] <Lcvette> you will have to find a copy of it from someone who has the iso
[15:18:10] <Lcvette> but yes
[15:18:18] <Lcvette> it is based on linuxcnc so it is free
[15:18:32] <Lcvette> but tormach charges $100 for distributing the thumb drive its on
[15:18:35] <robotustra> wait, it's an image?
[15:18:46] <Lcvette> yes just like linuxcnc
[15:18:47] <robotustra> so it's not free
[15:18:56] <Lcvette> its free
[15:19:10] <Lcvette> they charge only for the distribution of the hardware its sent on
[15:19:18] <Lcvette> they CANNOT charge for the software per the licenese
[15:19:33] <Lcvette> ie it is not illegal to use it
[15:19:44] <Lcvette> because iut is built on linuxcnc
[15:19:45] <robotustra> is a cost of thum drive == $100?
[15:20:08] <Lcvette> same as the gui you or i am building
[15:20:08] <robotustra> seriously?
[15:20:20] <Lcvette> yeah
[15:20:30] <Lcvette> they used to send it out on a dvd and it was $20
[15:20:32] <robotustra> $100 == SSD
[15:20:38] <Lcvette> but they switched to a thumb drive and changed the price
[15:20:45] <robotustra> 20$ for plastic?
[15:20:47] <Lcvette> they account for the time to load the image fiul i guess
[15:21:02] <robotustra> why they can't just publish ISO on internet?
[15:21:10] <robotustra> hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:21:10] <Lcvette> time is money in capitalism my friend
[15:21:27] <robotustra> now you started to bullshit me
[15:21:40] <Lcvette> because they make money from it this way legally wihtout breaking the license rulse
[15:21:50] <robotustra> creation of a COPY of a software ~0$
[15:22:00] <Lcvette> im completely serious
[15:22:23] <Lcvette> is it?
[15:22:48] <Lcvette> there is power, equipment, manpower, processing, shipping, packaging,
[15:22:50] <robotustra> are you serious?
[15:22:58] <Lcvette> who pays for it?
[15:23:05] <Lcvette> 100%
[15:23:05] <robotustra> what about putting ISO on server?
[15:23:20] <robotustra> is it cost 100$ dollars?
[15:23:33] <robotustra> omg, god bless america
[15:23:33] <Lcvette> they invested time and money developing the software gui for their machines
[15:23:45] <robotustra> they did, it ONCE
[15:23:50] <Lcvette> they never intended it for other machines
[15:24:05] <Lcvette> BUT they cannot stop it from being used on other machines because of the licensing software agreement
[15:24:15] <robotustra> but you told that it's customizable
[15:24:42] <robotustra> most probably it's not so customizable
[15:24:49] <Lcvette> so they make it cost to get the thumb drive
[15:24:50] <Lcvette> they are under no obligation to distribute it via the internet
[15:25:09] <Lcvette> loop holes
[15:25:24] <robotustra> anyway, I think it's not what I want
[15:25:56] <robotustra> to buy third party tools with suspisious customability and third party dependencies
[15:26:12] <robotustra> lcnc is for free
[15:26:38] <hazzy-m> No it's not what you want. It is not customizable at all, but it is a very nice. I'll give you a copy if you'd like to play with it.
[15:26:39] <robotustra> my gui costs me 4 month of part time work will last forever
[15:27:09] <robotustra> I would like to look at the code if it's in c/c++
[15:27:22] <robotustra> but I think it's a python
[15:27:39] <hazzy-m> It's is pygtk
[15:28:17] <robotustra> hm, so I most proly will not need it
[15:30:25] <robotustra> does path plot draw the stock of vise fixture?
[15:33:38] <robotustra> pathplot try to sell features most probably I'll never need
[15:33:49] <robotustra> like 50% of features is useless
[15:34:18] <robotustra> what I need is a remote gui for my machine
[15:34:37] <robotustra> connected to lcnc machine
[15:36:14] <robotustra> what I see pathplot is highly attached to tormach machines
[15:37:22] <robotustra> my goal is that any average person who can read english can make or castomise gui in a couple of hours max
[15:37:50] <robotustra> for any machine, using just standard linuxcnc distribution
[15:38:58] <Lcvette> this was for you to get your business going quicker
[15:39:15] <Lcvette> the one that makes you money
[15:39:30] <Lcvette> so you could then focus on the gui project without the need for compensation later
[15:43:39] <robotustra> this was for you to get your business going quicker -> it's very doubtful
[15:44:06] <robotustra> any third party software tends to go out of control with the time
[15:44:40] <robotustra> either they will brake something or close it, or something else will happen
[15:45:55] <robotustra> may be you are right, I have to think about it
[15:47:09] <robotustra> hazzy-m, could you please give me a link to pathplot?
[15:48:52] <hazzy-m> robotustra sure!
[15:49:00] <robotustra> thanks
[15:49:47] <hazzy-m> I'm on mobile rn, but will get it to you tonight
[15:50:21] <robotustra> ok
[15:50:51] <robotustra> you can send it to me iamrobotustra@gmail.com
[15:51:03] <robotustra> thanks again
[15:51:14] <robotustra> I have a look at the code anyway
[15:51:48] <hazzy-m> https://drive.google.com
[15:52:06] <hazzy-m> It was already in my g drive!
[15:52:14] <robotustra> ok
[16:01:30] <robotustra> thanks, done
[16:02:02] <robotustra> Lcvette, it took me 10 minutes and $0 to make a copy of software
[16:10:12] <robotustra> hazzy-m, do you need to install it to run or you can just run it from pen drive?
[16:20:18] <Lcvette> hence why i said find a copy of the iso
[16:20:21] <Lcvette> :D
[16:21:32] <Lcvette> there is a section on the linuxcnc forums if you need help on how to use it
[16:24:18] <hazzy-m> You have to install
[16:25:22] <Lcvette> im not sure if he has mesa
[16:25:29] <Lcvette> etc
[16:26:11] <hazzy-m> And it took me 1hr to copy it from a DVD, test it, and upload it so you could download it. 😀
[16:27:17] <Lcvette> Hazzy, its ok, robotustra is going to send you something of equal value
[16:29:37] <Lcvette> potatoes?
[16:29:37] <hazzy-m> My local auto mechanic would have charged me $120 for doing less xD
[16:29:38] <hazzy-m> LOL
[16:29:38] <Lcvette> that was like a 4 potato job at least
[16:30:12] <hazzy-m> Actually, I'd prefer a chicken breast.
[16:30:20] <hazzy-m> (but he only has potatos, now he has to go and trade ..)
[16:30:49] <Lcvette> so you reach in to the social pool and pull out 4 potatoes
[16:30:50] <Lcvette> and all is right with the world
[16:31:27] <Lcvette> :D
[16:32:01] <hazzy-m> LOL
[16:34:56] <TurBoss> yo
[16:34:57] <TurBoss> back
[16:35:08] <hazzy-m> hey
[16:35:17] <Lcvette> <iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/Hzhkf0esHVMhW" width="480" height="474" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-true-story-Hzhkf0esHVMhW">via GIPHY</a></p>
[16:35:41] <hazzy-m> LOLOL
[16:35:54] <Lcvette> socialism inflation
[16:36:02] <Lcvette> printing money
[16:36:04] <Lcvette> :D
[16:37:37] <TurBoss> what you guys working on?
[16:38:03] <Lcvette> global economics
[16:38:13] <TurBoss> great
[16:38:17] <TurBoss> :)
[16:40:18] <TurBoss> hazzy: what can I do ? :P
[16:40:33] <TurBoss> any ideas?
[16:40:36] <Lcvette> ATC
[16:40:36] <TurBoss> ATC?
[16:40:39] <TurBoss> hehehe
[16:40:39] <Lcvette> :D
[16:41:09] <Lcvette> you are the jedi who knows it Obiwan
[16:41:40] <TurBoss> okay
[16:42:27] <TurBoss> I'll put Dynat on a branch of latest master
[16:44:04] <Lcvette> <div style="width:100%;height:0;padding-bottom:42%;position:relative;"><iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/2fT3t8kHZN9qMaXMvI" width="100%" height="100%" style="position:absolute" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe></div><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-star-wars-the-last-jedi-2fT3t8kHZN9qMaXMvI">via GIPHY</a></p>
[16:45:30] <Lcvette> <iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/xBAreNGk5DapO" width="480" height="361" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-dog-fighting-xBAreNGk5DapO">via GIPHY</a></p>
[16:46:00] <Lcvette> i don't know how to make them just pop up
[16:46:07] <Lcvette> that last one is awesome!
[16:46:28] <TurBoss> phew phew
[16:47:30] <Lcvette> hahaha
[16:51:47] <TurBoss> hazzy: could something like status but for hal pins be useful?
[16:55:13] <TurBoss> oh exist
[16:55:16] <TurBoss> :O
[16:58:00] <Lcvette> hazzy did alot of status work recently
[16:58:07] <Lcvette> but not sure if he pushed it yet
[16:58:08] <Lcvette> ?
[16:58:18] <TurBoss> I see stuff
[17:25:56] <Lcvette> 1t1m6
[17:32:26] <Lcvette> hazzy, not sure if probe basic is broken again or not
[17:32:52] <Lcvette> but its doing the same wierd thing it used to do when trying to reference
[17:33:00] <Lcvette> only referencing the z axis anbd graying out x and Y
[17:53:35] <robotustra> ok, I installed tormach now I can browse it's files
[18:13:02] <robotustra> ...
[18:18:13] <robotustra> secure linux? "don't know what are you talking about"...
[18:19:09] <robotustra> really.. tormach: you can do: sudo su ... and voila, do whatever you want
[19:00:50] <Roguish> Lcvette: check it out. https://www.windy.com
[19:02:12] <robotustra> a storm is moving&
[19:02:18] <robotustra> ?
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[19:26:29] <robotustra> tormach cnc has too old kernel and old python
[19:26:43] <robotustra> there is no reason to investigate it's code
[19:45:00] <hazzy-m> My auto insurance company sent me an email warning my about the hurricane morning, first I had heard of it, lol
[19:47:09] <Roguish> hazzy-m: time to wake up and smell the coffee....'tis the season.
[19:47:56] <Lcvette> looks like its gonna hit closer to Hazzy this time around
[19:49:34] <hazzy-m> Yep, it's my turn now :)
[19:49:52] <robotustra> only small wind and small rain will be in mtl area from this huricane
[20:09:07] <robotustra> hazzy-m, do you have operator files from tormach?
[20:30:44] <robotustra> hm. tormach is a usual .glade interface with a bunch of *.jpg pics
[20:34:20] <hazzy-m> Operator files?
[20:34:38] <hazzy-m> Yep, it's kinda a mess
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[21:57:57] <robotustra> hazzy[m], did you get them from your image?
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[23:05:48] <hazzy-m> robotustra yes
[23:09:01] <robotustra> ok
[23:09:11] <robotustra> away