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[00:46:00] <Lcvette> hazzy, are you current on what mobo's and processors are working well with the latest linuxcnc releases and mesa cards?
[00:46:37] <Lcvette> i think i need to build a new pc for the little lathe and would like to do one really small if possible
[00:46:50] <Lcvette> with plugin ssd
[00:47:06] <Lcvette> not sure what its called but it pops in like a mesa card
[00:47:12] <Lcvette> m.2?
[00:47:15] <Lcvette> i dunno
[00:47:18] <Lcvette> something like that
[00:48:05] <hazzy-m> no I am not, but in my (rather limited) experiance most any desktop PC will work fine for PCI buss based mesa card
[00:48:42] <Lcvette> ok
[00:48:50] <hazzy-m> There are a couple mini ITX mobords that a lot of folkx use and work well, not shure what they are though
[00:49:01] <Lcvette> i was thinking i might try and build it to work well with either pci or ethernet
[00:49:14] <Lcvette> so im not backed into a corner with just the pci
[00:50:05] <hazzy-m> Right, but PCI is much more lenient, so if it works with ethernet is will certainly work with PCI
[00:50:14] <hazzy-m> assuming it has a PCI bus, LOL
[00:50:48] <hazzy-m> I think its one of the asrock bords
[00:51:51] <Lcvette> asrock h97m pro4 and G3258 intel chip is the proven holy grail that i know of for silly low latency with the ethernet cards
[00:52:00] <Lcvette> but they don't have the m.2 socket thingy
[00:52:56] <hazzy-m> just run off a USB :D
[00:53:10] <Lcvette> but asrock makes a ASrock Z97 pro4 m.2 mobo that should work with the G3258 that would have that socket i think, but not sure if the change in mobo would change the latency results
[00:53:50] <Lcvette> im trying to compact the pc components as much as possible
[00:54:05] <Lcvette> reduce extra cables and such
[00:55:53] <Lcvette> that way i can house the computer up front with the monitor
[00:56:05] <Lcvette> keep it away from all the motor noise
[00:56:42] <Lcvette> kinda also make it a complete controller setup
[00:57:02] <hazzy-m> Yes, that would be great! I think you could probably get it compackt enough with just a 2.5" SSD, but the flash storage cards are very neat and fast
[00:57:24] <Lcvette> touchscreen, pc, PS, just have a single cable either the ethernet or db25 running to the machine cabinet
[00:57:54] <Lcvette> flash storage?
[00:58:01] <Lcvette> like a usb stick?
[00:58:06] <Lcvette> you can do that?
[00:58:24] <Lcvette> no other harddrive?
[00:58:29] <hazzy-m> yes
[00:58:34] <Lcvette> and have it reliable for machine use?
[00:58:47] <hazzy-m> the D525MW I have suports that
[00:59:45] <hazzy-m> and a lot of the Bridgport machines people retorfit with flash when the HDD goes bad
[00:59:46] <hazzy-m> much more reliable, and very fast
[01:00:56] <hazzy-m> there is also mSATA
[01:01:22] <hazzy-m> I think a lot of the older mini ITX boards have that
[01:01:44] * hazzy-m uploaded an image: image.png (506KB) < https://matrix.org >
[01:08:25] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 031 commit to 03DataSourcesPlugins [+0/-0/±3] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/86b10c92f99032951d3099c40bb6385ea026cab6...d9f0e915062a2cb9da8e0ea99a0f629baeb8c89f
[01:08:26] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03d9f0e91 - add method to get chan from URL, get rules editor working again
[01:10:01] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 032 commits to 03DataSourcesPlugins [+0/-0/±4] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/d9f0e915062a2cb9da8e0ea99a0f629baeb8c89f...abc99b5a0427e5988d28762887c7d7d75228577d
[01:10:03] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 035967cb8 - add methods to initialize and terminate data plugins
[01:10:04] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 03abc99b5 - update mini with new channel URL format
[01:11:45] <Lcvette> lost internet
[01:11:49] <Lcvette> back now
[01:11:58] <Lcvette> whoa lots of stuff popped up
[01:12:17] <hazzy-m> lots of goodies :)
[01:14:43] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson pushed 031 commit to 03DataSourcesPlugins [+0/-0/±1] 13https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp/compare/abc99b5a0427e5988d28762887c7d7d75228577d...8cb6bf972a6b8f2eb9298cc1acdf3c940aa2ea0c
[01:14:44] <Not-5695> [02QtPyVCP] 07Kurt Jacobson 038cb6bf9 - fix typo in method name
[01:15:27] <Lcvette> msata
[01:15:28] <Lcvette> that will work on regular non m.2?
[01:15:29] <Lcvette> or does it require a special socket too?
[01:16:06] <hazzy-m> it requires an mSATA slot, but those are pretty common
[01:21:54] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[01:22:08] <Lcvette> guessing none of these are msata?
[01:22:44] <hazzy-m> doesn't look like it :(
[01:23:07] <Lcvette> crap
[01:23:26] <Lcvette> the boards that support the ethernet so well don't support much else because they are so old
[01:23:30] <Lcvette> and they are expensive
[01:23:34] <Lcvette> meh
[01:26:49] <hazzy-m> ethernet is convenient, but the PCI based mesa cards are more flexible with what hardware you can so I still use them. I've used 4 5i25s in probably 7 or 8 different PCs of all ages and had it work flawlessly
[01:28:02] <Lcvette> yeah but you can't run a db25 more than 6' reliably
[01:28:22] <Lcvette> ethernet you can run how ever far you need within reason
[01:28:36] <Lcvette> there are some benefits
[01:28:44] <hazzy-m> that is very true, but most of the time 6' is plenty
[01:28:45] <Lcvette> especially when working with larger machines
[01:29:38] <Lcvette> for this little fell there isn't much need for longer than 6', but if i ever wanted to transfer the controller to a larger lather in the future perhaps, i would want the flexibility to have ethernet maybe
[01:30:07] <Lcvette> and ethernet cable is easier to run
[01:30:10] <Lcvette> lol
[01:30:13] <hazzy-m> right
[01:30:23] <Lcvette> smaller plugs
[01:30:50] <hazzy-m> the ethernet system is much cleaner, because you also only need one card, not both a 5i25 AND a 7i7X
[01:31:20] <Lcvette> well, not unless they make a 7i77e?
[01:31:41] <Lcvette> or ethernet servo card
[01:31:44] <hazzy-m> they do, I'm pretty sure at least
[01:31:50] <Lcvette> yeah?
[01:36:28] <hazzy-m> Your right, I thought he had come out with a 7i77e. There was talk about it a few years ago, but I guess it never happend. Probably not enough demand
[01:37:01] <Lcvette> lol
[01:37:03] <hazzy-m> seems like it would be easyer than a 7i76e, since servos don't need as tight of control
[01:37:05] <Lcvette> yeah stull need a 7i92 and 7i77 combo
[01:37:29] <Lcvette> the 7i77 is bigger board than the 7i76
[01:38:04] <hazzy-m> no, they are the same, at least the differance is very small
[01:39:49] <hazzy-m> I'll have to got out and look, but i've never noticed a difference. I even confuse them lol
[01:40:04] <Lcvette> its bigger
[01:40:13] <Lcvette> i have both next to each other on my big machine
[01:40:17] <Lcvette> lol
[01:40:53] <hazzy-m> lol, then you must be right
[01:41:47] <Lcvette> it has an extra row for the encoders
[01:41:58] <Lcvette> maybe 2 can't remember exactly
[01:42:23] <Lcvette> all else is fairly similar
[01:42:24] <hazzy-m> your right, its 1.5" longer, but the same width
[01:43:29] <Lcvette> so guess i will just look at a setup that works with pci and msata
[01:43:41] <Lcvette> i saw the m.2 and those sticks are too long
[01:48:57] <Lcvette> the msata look about the same height as the 6i25
[01:50:24] <hazzy-m> they normally lie down flat on the moboard
[01:51:53] * hazzy-m uploaded an image: image.png (1761KB) < https://matrix.org >
[01:52:24] <Lcvette> the msata?
[01:52:30] <Lcvette> or m.2?
[01:52:32] <hazzy-m> yes
[01:53:38] <Lcvette> ah i see
[02:14:34] <hazzy-m> I'm stuck on the tooltable
[02:14:49] <hazzy-m> better sleep on it and try again in the morning
[02:14:54] <hazzy-m> night
[06:20:45] <jthornton> morning
[07:23:23] <Lcvette> morning
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[13:03:20] <pdadroid4[m]> hello
[13:09:25] <hazzy-m> pdadroid4: hello
[14:21:17] <pdadroid4[m]> linuxcnc is free and opensource?
[14:23:11] <hazzy-m> pdadroid4: It sure is!
[14:32:28] <pdadroid4[m]> picnc]: a Raspberry Pi PIC32 expansion board. Probably still under development
[14:43:49] <hazzy-m> pdadroid4: I had not seen PiCNC, looks interesting
[14:44:10] <hazzy-m> it is for machinekit, so it might work with linuxcnc too