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[00:02:25] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[00:02:39] <Lcvette> i ran the upgrade and vcp won't start now for me
[00:03:15] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[00:03:25] <Lcvette> nor designer
[00:12:29] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[00:12:36] <Lcvette> now this is what i get
[00:12:47] <Lcvette> tried doing the uninstall and reinstall to fix it again
[00:12:53] <Lcvette> but it didn't work this time
[00:13:37] <Lcvette> hazzy
[00:13:40] <Lcvette> still here?
[00:15:43] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[00:16:07] <Lcvette> this is what happens if you do a pip uninstall in the main terminal
[00:16:21] <hazzy-m> you need to have the .xsessionrc file in your home directory
[00:16:25] <Lcvette> and not in the qtpyvcp terminal
[00:16:25] <hazzy-m> it is missing
[00:17:04] <Lcvette> that python2.7/site-packages/ is all over those error messages
[00:17:30] <Lcvette> i think maybe the errors are cominhg from people not installing in the correct temrinal window because its not mentioned
[00:18:11] <hazzy-m> the terminal window does not mater, as long as it it all done in the same one
[00:18:25] <hazzy-m> the commands will fail if the working dir is not right
[00:19:04] <hazzy-m> did you check if you have the .xsessionrc file in your home dir still?
[00:19:13] <hazzy-m> i bet it has gone missing
[00:19:36] <hazzy-m> I need to clone LCNC and add that code JT wrote, that would make it a lot easier
[00:21:24] <Lcvette> i just did a uninstall and reinstall again and it ran away with a Y
[00:21:31] <Lcvette> repeated in the temrinal window
[00:21:46] <Lcvette> had to cntrl s to stop it
[00:24:20] <Lcvette> i think i have royally screwed up the installation at this point
[00:24:56] <hazzy-m> you can't really
[00:25:03] <hazzy-m> just uninstall and install again
[00:26:31] <Lcvette> just do the pip e thing?
[00:26:55] <Lcvette> `pip install -e .
[00:26:56] <Lcvette> '
[00:27:00] <hazzy-m> yes
[00:28:41] <Lcvette> where is the xsessions file again?
[00:28:53] <Lcvette> it is missing
[00:29:21] <Lcvette> scripts!
[00:29:25] <Lcvette> found it
[00:29:54] <Lcvette> still not working
[00:31:44] <hazzy-m> log out and back in per the docs
[00:33:00] <Lcvette> yup was already doing that
[00:33:02] <Lcvette> and it worked
[00:33:05] <Lcvette> im cured again
[00:33:14] <Lcvette> lcvette is not screwing around with it anymore
[00:33:39] <Lcvette> pippy long stocking stuff is you and JT's area of comfort
[00:33:40] <Lcvette> lol
[00:33:59] <hazzy-m> hahhaa
[00:33:59] <Lcvette> gives me heart burn
[00:35:44] * hazzy-m must be tired, he just ate a bannana with half a jar of PB on it and a granola bar with Natela on it lol
[00:37:02] <Lcvette> lol
[00:38:13] <hazzy-m> no luck on traking down the dbus error :(
[00:38:34] <hazzy-m> might have to use our own notifications instead of the system ones
[00:39:34] <Lcvette> do we know what they are?
[00:39:38] <Lcvette> or are for?
[00:39:43] <Lcvette> is it something missing?
[00:43:27] <Lcvette> oh thats wierd
[00:43:37] <Lcvette> i had to recompile
[00:43:50] <Lcvette> i noticed that the images were somehow the older versions
[00:44:05] <hazzy-m> hmmm, that is strange
[00:44:14] <Lcvette> im not sure how that is even possible
[00:44:29] <Lcvette> considering the image files only show the new versions
[00:44:39] <hazzy-m> well pip may have installed from a chached build with the old files
[00:44:46] <Lcvette> ah yes
[00:45:08] <Lcvette> but wow what a great comparison for opening times
[00:45:14] <Lcvette> bi8g difference
[00:45:23] <hazzy-m> yeah, its huge!!
[00:45:43] <hazzy-m> it makes me much less hesitant to run PB now lol
[00:46:18] <hazzy-m> that was the most significatn imporvement we've had in a while
[00:46:47] <hazzy-m> ok, I might have found a solution for the dbus erros
[00:46:56] <Lcvette> Hurray!!!!
[00:47:15] <hazzy-m> but I can't hold my eye's open any longer
[00:47:20] <Lcvette> Lol
[00:47:24] <Lcvette> Get some sleep
[00:47:29] <hazzy-m> think I'll hit the hay
[00:47:33] <hazzy-m> night!
[00:47:45] <Lcvette> Night
[00:48:01] * hazzy-m unplugs the BP screen
[00:48:09] <hazzy-m> PB* lol
[01:00:07] <Lcvette> thats wrong!
[05:45:05] <jt-m[m]> morning
[10:11:26] <roguish[m]> good morning.
[10:12:18] <roguish[m]> well finished the pulley I was working on. think it's ok. of course the only spring gauge i'm missing is the one I need to check the 20mm bore. doh.
[10:13:14] <roguish[m]> I appreciate the machining advice gentlemen.
[10:26:06] <Lcvette> morning
[10:27:31] <roguish[m]> hey, Lcvette. how much TIR should a spindle have? yeah, I know perfect is 0, but what's real?
[10:27:53] <Lcvette> depends on the type spindle
[10:28:10] <Lcvette> hobby mill like my G0704 is about .0001"
[10:28:24] <Lcvette> which i consider p[retty good
[10:29:08] <Lcvette> okuyma might now
[10:29:09] <Lcvette> okuma
[10:29:15] <Lcvette> might not
[10:29:18] <Lcvette> but i get fantastic poart finishes
[10:29:37] <Lcvette> i would say a couple microns is about average though
[10:30:14] <roguish[m]> i put my indicator on my BP series II and I'm getting less than .0005. can't say exactly as my indicator is only reads .0005 per mark, and the needle wiggle just a little.
[10:30:41] <roguish[m]> may have to get a better test indicator.
[10:31:43] <Lcvette> bearings may be old
[10:32:00] <Lcvette> may need to be cleaned and regreased and preloaded
[10:32:04] <roguish[m]> oh yeah. machine is 30+ years
[10:32:13] <roguish[m]> probably never services
[10:32:13] <Lcvette> or replaced
[10:32:45] <Lcvette> may also want to check the taper
[10:33:24] <Lcvette> make sure there aren't any dings, nicks or burrs in it that could cause the offset
[10:33:40] <Lcvette> .0005" is a decent bit for a bigger machine
[10:35:46] <roguish[m]> that's what I figured. think I've reached the limits of my mill. just cause for a new one. lololol
[10:36:53] <Lcvette> and you can check to see if the runout gets worse further down the tool
[10:37:09] <Lcvette> could be the spindle was crashed at some point and has a slight wobble
[10:37:15] <roguish[m]> no, that's too scarey......
[10:38:13] <roguish[m]> actually, I checked the reamer as installed in the spindle. the spindle uses an Erickson quick change NMTB40 tool holder.
[10:38:33] <Lcvette> if its just bearings, depending on what type bearings it uses they may not be too bad to replace
[10:38:45] <Lcvette> Nachi makes very good bearings for a very reasonable price
[10:39:05] <Lcvette> thats what i use in my little machines with fantastic results
[10:39:48] <roguish[m]> first tool holder with reamer was showing .002 tir, replaced with the newest and cleanest holder, made sure every thing was well cleaned, and the tir on the reamer shank dropped down to that of the spindle alone.
[10:41:13] <Lcvette> yeah, holders and tools can play a big part
[10:41:49] <Lcvette> for all my repeatable holder tools i go through a setup procedure to align them before final tightening
[10:41:57] <Lcvette> makes a big difference
[10:44:36] * Lcvette uploaded a video: scv_1548271253109.mp4 (3309KB) < https://matrix.org >
[10:44:53] * Lcvette uploaded a video: scv_1548271275803.mp4 (3335KB) < https://matrix.org >
[10:44:59] <Lcvette> that is with the Nachi Bearings
[10:45:10] <Lcvette> think i have about $70 in them total
[10:45:41] <Lcvette> thats at 12-13" out from the spindle face
[10:46:00] <Lcvette> the spindle itself has no movement on the besttest
[10:46:26] <roguish[m]> very nice
[10:46:48] <roguish[m]> what machine is that?
[10:46:58] <Lcvette> thats about 0.00005-0.0001"
[10:47:31] <Lcvette> the little lathe build im doing
[10:48:24] <Lcvette> old harbor freight mill/lathe combination machine
[10:49:23] <roguish[m]> again, this is why I'm shopping for a mill. the BP does not belong to me. it's a friend's so i don't want to invest anything into it. plus he's gotten pretty weird lately so i don't expect him to want to spend any money on it either.
[10:50:20] <Lcvette> ah gotcha
[11:01:46] <Lcvette> roguish: have you narrowed down what you are looking for?
[11:16:46] <roguish[m]> oh, sorry, having breakfast. no, haven't gotten there yet.
[11:17:24] <roguish[m]> ideally I want something small. G0704 size, or there about. but very accurate.
[11:18:39] <Lcvette> the unicorn
[11:19:21] <Lcvette> budget?
[11:19:36] <Lcvette> ready to make parts budget
[11:29:59] <Lcvette> your best bet in that size range is probably the Syil X7
[11:30:15] <Lcvette> its small but very robust for its size
[11:33:25] <Lcvette> https://www.youtube.com
[11:33:39] <Lcvette> heres a great decision making breakdown
[11:35:16] <Lcvette> i would not get a G0704
[11:35:29] <Lcvette> it would be a terrible waste of your time and money
[11:35:38] <Lcvette> for business
[11:36:08] <Lcvette> you would certainly regret the investment once it was finished
[11:38:35] <Lcvette> if you are gung ho on a conversion and trying to save money there are better machines to convert
[11:38:40] <silopolis[m]> for business, wouldn't go lower than Tormach/Skyfire neither, then Syil if you can, and ideally Haas/Fanuc/Hurco... Sky is the limit ;)
[11:39:24] <silopolis[m]> Second the conversion option
[11:39:32] <Lcvette> syil > tormach for precision
[11:39:42] <Lcvette> same price
[11:39:46] <silopolis[m]> for sure !
[11:39:55] <Lcvette> no contest remove tormach from the picture
[11:40:09] <Lcvette> skyfire is a disaster
[11:40:14] <silopolis[m]> same price really ?! Cooool :)
[11:40:19] <Lcvette> can't trust them
[11:40:19] <silopolis[m]> lol
[11:40:47] <Lcvette> yeah the syil x7 and tormach 1100 are priced the same
[11:40:54] <Lcvette> within a few hundred
[11:41:07] <Lcvette> but the syil is twice the machine the tormach is
[11:41:24] <Lcvette> its a 3k lb small footprint machine that holds very tight tolerances
[11:41:31] <silopolis[m]> hmm, well seem troublesome indeed, but situation is getting better with their distributor taking over
[11:42:58] <silopolis[m]> Man, I'm sold with Syil for long, that's why I'm so happy you tell me they're priced like a Tormach \o/
[11:44:15] <Lcvette> syil makes BIG machines too
[11:44:23] <silopolis[m]> Plus I feel like this is a machine that will aaalways be beneficial, even when you'll get bigger machines
[11:44:35] <Lcvette> they are just branded as syil for their small machines
[11:44:45] <silopolis[m]> ah ?
[11:45:03] <silopolis[m]> what's their brand for the big boys ?
[11:45:57] <Lcvette> SMC
[11:46:42] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (646KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:47:16] <silopolis[m]> 😍 😍 😍
[11:47:56] <hazzy-m> yeah ... those are nice looking machines
[11:48:21] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (643KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:48:24] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: why did you not go with a syil?
[11:48:54] <Lcvette> at the time I wasn't aware of who they were
[11:48:57] <Lcvette> and money
[11:49:14] <Lcvette> for what i got my machine for shipped it was a no brainer for me
[11:49:29] <hazzy-m> yeah
[11:49:44] <Lcvette> but the quality of the castings and finish work on the machine isn't nearly what the syils are
[11:50:33] <Lcvette> the timing on everything when i bought my machine just was lucky
[11:50:55] <Lcvette> got in just before the major environmental lockdown on foundries in china
[11:52:14] <Lcvette> i got my machine with enclosure, ATC, prewired motors/drives installed (paid for motors/drives seperately), coolant system, lube system, etc shipped to my port for $7k
[11:52:44] <Lcvette> i had $1800 in motors and drives
[11:53:01] <Lcvette> and another $1400 in tooling sent with it
[11:53:48] <Lcvette> tool cart, vises, BT30 holders, fixture tightening clamps etc
[11:54:07] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: may I ask what is your machine ?
[11:54:44] <silopolis[m]> also, can't find SMC on the web ??
[11:54:57] <Lcvette> https://youtu.be
[11:55:46] <hazzy-m> need to get PB on that thing pronto
[11:56:24] <Lcvette> :D
[11:56:57] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (329KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:57:07] <Lcvette> thats the x7 syil
[11:57:26] <Lcvette> way more machine than a tormach
[11:59:25] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (438KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:59:33] <Lcvette> thats my machine frame
[12:24:28] <silopolis[m]> This is really a nice machine ! And your thread on CNCzone is priceless ! Thank you so much for sharing this amount of informations 👍🏼
[12:25:45] <silopolis[m]> How did you get all those pictures ? Were you at the factory or did the manufacturer made your a photo log ?
[12:27:06] <jthornton> wow I got a PR on JT-Logger
[12:28:41] <hazzy-m> jthornton: Nice!
[12:28:47] <hazzy-m> I have some mods I should PR too
[12:30:55] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: ok found the answer for the photos :)
[12:44:14] <roguish[m]> Lcvette, just subscribed to your YouTube.....
[12:44:22] <Lcvette> thanks!
[12:44:41] <Lcvette> :D
[12:44:41] <silopolis[m]> @lcvett
[12:44:50] <Lcvette> as you can see i have both the G0704 and a bigger machine
[12:44:58] <silopolis[m]> shù*$ !
[12:45:04] <Lcvette> hey silopolis
[12:45:11] <Lcvette> sorry was on the phone
[12:45:36] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: sorry having hard times with name completion :/
[12:46:13] <Lcvette> the manufacturer was sharing photos along the way
[12:47:25] <silopolis[m]> that is quite an amazing customer care !
[12:47:29] <silopolis[m]> May I ask what are the speed ratings of your axes motors ?
[12:47:42] <Lcvette> ot really
[12:47:43] <Lcvette> not
[12:47:43] <Lcvette> they sucked after sales
[12:47:54] <Lcvette> and would not recommend them at all
[12:48:06] <silopolis[m]> arf :'(
[12:48:08] <Lcvette> they do not even respond anymore
[12:48:44] <Lcvette> spoke great english right up until final payment
[12:49:16] <Lcvette> after that their egrish got very poor and they couldn't understand what i meant
[12:49:19] <Lcvette> then the replies got delayed by days and weeks and eventually stopped coming at all
[12:49:59] <Lcvette> I am going to update the build thread with all that information very soon
[12:50:03] <silopolis[m]> Sorry to hear that
[12:50:29] <Lcvette> is what it is
[12:51:24] <silopolis[m]> May I ask what are the speed ratings of your axes motors ?
[12:51:39] <Lcvette> short of a casting breaking, im not worried about it
[12:51:47] <Lcvette> and even then i could have another remade
[12:52:07] <Lcvette> 3000rpm x and y
[12:52:11] <Lcvette> 1500z
[12:52:20] <Lcvette> ordered the wrong motor for z
[12:52:34] <Lcvette> they make a 2500rpm motor for z
[12:52:55] <Lcvette> but its not a big deal
[12:52:59] <Lcvette> i lose some speed
[12:53:57] <Lcvette> only have 354ipm rapids on z axis
[12:54:10] <Lcvette> have 708ipm on x and y
[12:54:12] <Lcvette> 6mm pitch screws
[12:57:42] <silopolis[m]> Thank you... A couple again (for today ;P ) if you please: what's the spindle servo and pulleys ratio for the spindle ? Is you main power 220V/1ph ?
[12:58:17] <Lcvette> 220/3ph
[12:58:39] <Lcvette> 5.5kw spindle servo
[12:58:42] <Lcvette> 1:1 ratio
[12:58:57] <Lcvette> 8000rpm
[12:59:26] <Lcvette> or 6000rpm
[12:59:43] <Lcvette> think mine is 6k rpm
[12:59:52] <Lcvette> i got the old drive
[13:00:02] <Lcvette> my buddy clint got the new drive version and motor and his is 8000rpm
[13:00:07] <silopolis[m]> Great, thanks a lot :)
[13:00:50] <Lcvette> he got a BT40 spindle and i opted for BT30
[13:01:32] <Lcvette> which at the time i was planning on vonverting my G0704 to a BT30 spindle and keeping that machine so i figured it would be good to have all the same tooling size
[13:01:57] <Lcvette> in retrospect i wish i had gone with a BT40 spindle instead
[13:02:33] <Lcvette> there was no cost difference at the time of purchase
[13:03:17] <silopolis[m]> Understand, most probably would have made the same decision
[13:04:12] <Lcvette> but being i only do light production and prototyping it isn't going to be a huge deal
[13:04:24] <Lcvette> i work mostly in aluminum too
[13:04:43] <Lcvette> if i did more steel or harder materials, it would be more if an issue
[13:09:19] <Lcvette> jthornton: whats JT-Logger?
[13:11:02] <JT-Shop> irc logger
[13:13:31] <Lcvette> ah
[13:15:24] <silopolis[m]> One last and I leave you in peace... What kind of preloads did you opted for for your rails and ballscrews ?
[13:18:35] <Lcvette> the brand was TRT for the rails and the rail size is 35mm, preload was standard
[13:19:19] <Lcvette> ballscrews are TBI double nut C5 ground, not sure on the preload
[13:20:12] <Lcvette> but it is most likely set to handle thelead error of a C5 screw
[13:23:32] <silopolis[m]> Fantastic, helps a lot to compare and validate my choices for my build
[13:24:10] <Lcvette> tested backlash was unverifyable on my brown and sharp .00005"
[13:24:15] <Lcvette> https://www.instagram.com
[13:25:01] <silopolis[m]> 😍
[13:25:04] <Lcvette> that was before i set the actual steps correctly
[13:25:20] <Lcvette> but you can see there is not really any backlash to speak of
[13:25:26] <Lcvette> and that was with no backlash compensation
[13:26:02] <Lcvette> 0-1 on that indicator is 0.001"
[13:26:48] <Lcvette> so it is registering a clean crisp move of .0012" back and forth
[13:27:51] <Lcvette> it was a actually .00125
[13:29:00] <Lcvette> or not
[13:29:05] <Lcvette> can't remember
[13:29:31] <Lcvette> i was using .05mm i think on the step scale of linux
[13:29:43] <Lcvette> and the steps were not setr yet
[13:39:19] <silopolis[m]> Don't think we can chase for more outside a perfectly controled environment
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[15:06:06] <Lcvette> ooooh fancy
[15:06:22] <Lcvette> what are we casting?
[15:15:34] <Lcvette> ?
[15:15:35] <Lcvette> come on man
[15:15:38] <Lcvette> share with the class
[15:15:40] <Lcvette> :D
[16:07:06] <hazzy-m> A little impeler
[17:48:30] * jt-m[m] posted a file: Splitter-Walk-Around.mp4 (53316KB) < https://matrix.org >
[17:54:24] * jt-m[m] posted a file: Splitter-Raise-Mast.mp4 (30104KB) < https://matrix.org >
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[18:06:52] <TurBoss> hello
[18:07:17] <jt-m[m]> hi
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[18:23:56] <TurBoss> hazzy: how can I access the tool table struct you mentioned?
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[18:29:55] <Lcvette> lcvette is here!
[18:29:55] <Lcvette> :D
[18:31:06] <TurBoss> hey!
[18:31:15] <TurBoss> sup¿
[18:31:44] <Lcvette> que pasa amigo
[18:31:58] <TurBoss> not much
[18:31:58] <Lcvette> ?
[18:32:06] <Lcvette> i dunno how to make them upside down
[18:32:17] <TurBoss> what?
[18:32:20] <Lcvette> ?
[18:32:28] <TurBoss> :D
[18:33:34] <Lcvette> nope cant figure it out
[18:33:42] <Lcvette> damn murican keyboard
[18:35:41] <TurBoss> ¿
[18:35:44] <Lcvette> tool table struct
[18:35:49] <TurBoss> yes
[18:35:50] <Lcvette> ?
[18:36:16] <TurBoss> hazzy mentioned that I can obtain the pocket of the given tool
[18:37:08] <Lcvette> ah
[18:37:43] <Lcvette> have to be able to pull it from memory
[18:38:00] <Lcvette> can get it at start up from the var table
[18:38:12] <Lcvette> but once its running its in volatile memory
[18:38:20] <Lcvette> whoa
[18:38:29] <Lcvette> that sounded programmery
[18:38:39] <Lcvette> lol
[18:40:36] <jthornton> ?que¿
[18:40:47] <Lcvette> wtf
[18:41:00] <TurBoss> :D
[18:41:03] <Lcvette> you have a spanish keyboard too?
[18:41:14] <jt-m[m]> no
[18:41:35] <jt-m[m]> ¿ Ctrl + Shift u b f enter
[18:41:56] <TurBoss> lol
[18:42:02] <jt-m[m]> in linux you have to type the hex value of the extended ascii code
[18:42:20] <Lcvette> im on winbdows
[18:42:25] <jt-m[m]> did you see my videos?
[18:42:29] <TurBoss> y
[18:42:33] <Lcvette> no
[18:42:36] <Lcvette> what videos?
[18:42:41] <TurBoss> se one
[18:42:44] <jt-m[m]> ah that's even easier Alt 168
[18:42:45] <TurBoss> I saw one
[18:43:08] <jt-m[m]> I don't type with the same redneck accent lol
[18:43:28] <Lcvette> that doesnt work on my puter
[18:43:46] <TurBoss> altGR
[18:43:52] <jt-m[m]> ooops 191
[18:43:52] <Lcvette> turboss.. imagine ? that is updise down from me
[18:43:53] <Lcvette> :D
[18:44:05] <TurBoss> ¿
[18:44:10] <TurBoss> save it on a txt
[18:44:20] <TurBoss> :P
[18:44:25] <Lcvette> 191
[18:44:49] <Lcvette> none of those work
[18:44:55] <Lcvette> whatever
[18:45:01] <Lcvette> ?
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[18:45:09] <Lcvette> its imaginary upside down
[18:45:28] <jthornton> yea it's alt 168 in windblows
[18:46:25] <Lcvette> ¿
[18:46:29] <Lcvette> :O
[18:46:41] <Lcvette> \o/
[18:46:54] <jthornton> lol you found it
[18:47:49] <Lcvette> alt+168
[18:47:57] <Lcvette> ¿
[18:48:01] <Lcvette> thts too many keys
[18:48:11] <Lcvette> for one character
[18:48:13] <TurBoss> ñ
[18:48:21] <Lcvette> no moe!
[18:48:23] <jthornton> ° is Ctrl Shift u b 0 on linux and alt 176 in windoze
[18:48:24] <Lcvette> more
[18:48:41] <Lcvette> you speak engrish
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[18:48:51] <jthornton> https://www.wendag.com
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[18:51:44] <Lcvette> JT do you have a tumbler for deburring parts?
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[18:52:34] <jt-m[m]> just a cement mixer lol
[18:52:52] <Lcvette> ooooh
[18:52:59] <Lcvette> thats an idea
[18:53:08] <Lcvette> would be loud
[18:53:52] <jt-m[m]> I've designed and built a bunch of rotary part cleaners for nails
[18:54:45] <jt-m[m]> you can't use the paddles that are in there because they lift the parts up to the top then they crash down, you want a rolling motion
[18:55:03] <Lcvette> i make a tool for my pump kits and im tired of hand cleaning all the steel
[18:55:39] <jt-m[m]> you just deburring them?
[18:55:39] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (146KB) < https://matrix.org >
[18:55:51] <Lcvette> cleaning the steel
[18:55:59] <Lcvette> pre weld
[18:56:03] <Lcvette> debur would be great
[18:56:33] <Lcvette> with the cold saw there isn't much of a bur but it does leave a sharp edge
[18:56:36] <jt-m[m]> how big is that part?
[18:56:58] <Lcvette> the square tube is 1x1x12.5"
[18:57:26] <Lcvette> the flats are 1x2
[18:57:36] <Lcvette> x.25"
[18:57:52] <Lcvette> tube is thin wall steel
[18:58:03] <Lcvette> was thinking about making a 5 gallon bucket one
[18:58:11] <Lcvette> on youtube now looking for ideas
[18:58:12] <jt-m[m]> http://gnipsel.com
[18:58:23] <jt-m[m]> that would be too small for that size part
[18:58:33] <Lcvette> i have a blast cabinet
[18:58:36] <jt-m[m]> I would just blast them
[18:58:47] <Lcvette> was looking for a more non hands on method
[18:58:58] <Lcvette> load let run for half a day or whatever
[18:59:11] <jt-m[m]> tumbler or vibrator
[18:59:15] <Lcvette> i would rather scrub them than blast them
[18:59:24] <jt-m[m]> a trough vibrator might be easy to make
[18:59:32] <Lcvette> cause i still gotta scrub them after blasting
[18:59:50] <Lcvette> ive tried
[18:59:51] <jt-m[m]> what are you scrubbing off?
[19:00:05] <Lcvette> plus it takes longer
[19:00:12] <Lcvette> light sirface rust, the crud from being made
[19:00:29] <Lcvette> making them so they are clean to the touch
[19:00:54] <Lcvette> doeswn't have to take of the mill finish
[19:01:09] <Lcvette> just needs to be rust free and clean and deburred would be great
[19:01:45] <Lcvette> right now i go from the saw to the sander to debur to the sink to scrub to the wire wheel to get the stubborn rust off
[19:02:09] <Lcvette> don't always get rusty pieces either
[19:02:11] <Lcvette> just some are
[19:02:26] <Lcvette> i always ask for clean but sometimes its what they have
[19:02:41] <jt-m[m]> I understand that
[19:03:18] <jt-m[m]> when you blasted did you blast them post assembly?
[19:03:24] <Lcvette> i make 200 of those at a time
[19:03:56] <Lcvette> not sure my back could take the blast cabinet
[19:04:00] <TurBoss> hurray!
[19:04:00] <Lcvette> lol
[19:04:01] <jt-m[m]> yea saving 5 minutes on that many adds up quick
[19:04:06] <TurBoss> I figured something
[19:04:21] <Lcvette> yeah?
[19:04:25] <Lcvette> what did you figure?
[19:04:37] <Lcvette> tumbler looks like what i might want
[19:04:44] <TurBoss> get the pocket a tool is
[19:05:01] <Lcvette> yeah?
[19:05:34] <jt-m[m]> a tumbler for that size part needs to be pretty big like 55 gallon drum size
[19:05:35] <Lcvette> how did you do it turboss?
[19:05:47] <TurBoss> bit og magic
[19:05:56] <Lcvette> :p
[19:06:15] <Lcvette> JT: don't think a 5gallon rotary tumbler would do it?
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[19:07:21] <jt-m[m]> that's pretty small, imagine a 12" piece getting sideways in a 5 gallon bucket
[19:08:39] <Lcvette> :(
[19:08:41] <jt-m[m]> the parts and the media need to look like a wave rolling so there is plenty of gentle part on part action, the amount of media needed depends on the parts but you need enough media to float the parts so to speak
[19:09:04] <Lcvette> ah
[19:09:58] <Not-e6c6> [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03ATC [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fjvfe
[19:09:59] <Not-e6c6> [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 03d995bc2 - get the pocket of the given tool
[19:10:00] <Lcvette> i was thinking maybe add some rods to slide the tube over so they rotated through the media
[19:10:10] <Lcvette> HURRAY!@!!!!
[19:10:20] <Lcvette> checking turboss!~
[19:10:28] <TurBoss> not to figure rotation
[19:10:36] <jt-m[m]> there might be another way for that part, if the ends are open you could load them on mandrels and have the media flow across the parts if that makes sense
[19:11:47] <Lcvette> think thats what i was thinking
[19:11:59] <Lcvette> rods, mandrels
[19:12:14] <jt-m[m]> that's sorta how blast cabinets clean rolls of rod
[19:12:50] <jt-m[m]> yea some rods spaced out so the part is not touching the side of the bucket
[19:14:19] <Lcvette> kinds like a 6 shooter
[19:14:42] <jt-m[m]> I don't think that will work post assembly because the tubes need to turn freely so all sides contact the media
[19:14:57] <Lcvette> no i do everything preassembly
[19:15:06] <Lcvette> i tig weld everything to the welds are not an issue
[19:16:28] <Lcvette> TurBoss:
[19:16:32] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[19:16:33] <Lcvette> ?
[19:16:35] <jt-m[m]> you could try putting the 1x2x1/2 parts in too but without the dowels
[19:16:53] <Lcvette> yeah
[19:17:00] <Lcvette> i could grab a HF tumbler for those
[19:18:19] <jt-m[m]> hmm hf even has media
[19:18:27] <Lcvette> yeah
[19:18:33] <Lcvette> we have one local to us
[19:18:45] <Lcvette> but they don't have anything big enough for the long parts
[19:19:04] <jt-m[m]> https://www.harborfreight.com
[19:19:11] <jt-m[m]> that might work for the small parts
[19:19:15] <Lcvette> yup
[19:19:24] <Lcvette> have that page open already
[19:19:25] <Lcvette> lol
[19:19:26] <Lcvette> :D
[19:19:35] <jt-m[m]> lol
[19:21:38] <TurBoss> Lcvette: rotations stil WIP
[19:22:15] <TurBoss> I need to figure how to call the animation of a item from the repeater
[19:22:36] <Lcvette> im looking for the magic
[19:22:47] <TurBoss> in thepython
[19:23:22] * TurBoss sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[19:23:56] <Lcvette> i never l;ooked in that file
[19:23:59] <Lcvette> :D
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[19:24:37] <Lcvette> hurray!!
[19:27:08] <TurBoss> there is a bug
[19:27:18] <TurBoss> if not in ATC tab
[19:27:30] <TurBoss> and issue a tool change
[19:27:42] <TurBoss> when you back to the atc tab
[19:27:47] <TurBoss> :D
[19:28:30] <Lcvette> ?
[19:29:25] <Lcvette> hahahaha\
[19:29:28] <TurBoss> xD
[19:29:33] <Lcvette> thats a turbo bug
[19:29:37] <TurBoss> yeah!
[19:29:45] <Lcvette> turboss says you must watch my work move!
[19:29:59] <Lcvette> i will make it wait for you
[19:30:06] <TurBoss> xDD
[19:30:07] <Lcvette> does it stack?
[19:30:17] <Lcvette> if you do 3 moves will it do 3 moves?
[19:30:25] <TurBoss> sure
[19:31:52] <Lcvette> i9ts working though
[19:32:22] <Lcvette> but is it only using the tool tasble?
[19:32:54] <TurBoss> yes
[19:32:55] <TurBoss> for now
[19:33:56] <Lcvette> is it from the var table
[19:34:02] <TurBoss> no
[20:24:37] <Lcvette> i need a cannon
[20:24:52] <Lcvette> to win this war again the rotation
[20:24:58] <Lcvette> against
[20:25:04] <Lcvette> its beating me down
[20:25:07] <Lcvette> lol
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[21:37:45] <hazzy-m> RE part tumblers: We took an old simi truck tire and bolted a 3/8" steel plate to it, and then bolted a 3HP 3PH motor with a counterweight to the plate
[21:38:43] <hazzy-m> makes a great general purpose vibrater table. I've strepped gas takes to it and put so small nuts and bolts in for media and they come out shiny clean
[21:39:18] <hazzy-m> both the tanlk and the media come out clean lol
[21:41:15] <hazzy-m> also have a 5 gal buket with a steel plate cut to fit inside it so can bolt it to the table so you can just drop another bucket with the parts and media inside it to tumble
[21:41:48] <hazzy-m> the second bucked spins slowly around as it vibrate would gives a very random pattern
[21:42:21] <hazzy-m> just don't turn the motor speed up too hight, all the media and parts fly right out lol
[22:36:56] <Lcvette> Nice
[22:36:59] <Lcvette> Pictures?
[23:36:54] <hazzy-m> I should have some
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