#hazzy | Logs for 2019-03-20
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[06:04:34] <JT[m]1> morning
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[06:39:05] <TurBoss> hello
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[07:15:41] <JT[m]1> hey
[07:16:51] <TurBoss> Morniong JT
[07:17:23] <JT[m]1> what's up today?
[07:17:40] <TurBoss> springrts buildbot slaves
[07:17:57] <TurBoss> https://buildbot.springrts.com our little Buildbot
[07:18:08] <TurBoss> mine fails to run tests
[07:19:02] <jthornton> wee a waterfall!
[07:19:36] <TurBoss> using linux to build windows binaires
[07:19:41] <TurBoss> :D
[07:19:58] <TurBoss> and a macos
[07:20:15] <TurBoss> wich doesn't work
[07:40:59] <JT[m]1> geez what a pain building a RIP in debian 9, I guess I need to write a book on how to do that too
[07:44:10] <TurBoss> doc is spared
[07:44:16] <TurBoss> about that
[09:31:06] <hazzy-m> morning
[09:31:18] <Lcvette> morning
[09:38:38] <TurBoss> hello!
[09:39:09] <Lcvette> monring turboss!
[09:39:24] <TurBoss> o/
[09:41:04] <Lcvette> \o/
[09:41:05] <Lcvette> lol
[09:41:07] <Lcvette> :D
[09:41:38] <TurBoss> -o-
[09:43:07] <Lcvette> ~o~
[09:43:09] <Lcvette> the wave
[09:43:40] <Lcvette> ~o~~o~~o~
[09:43:40] <Lcvette> :D
[10:03:34] * hazzy-m sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[10:04:07] <hazzy-m> JT
[10:05:14] <JT-Shop> yo
[10:10:14] <JT[m]1> JT-Shop: okay doky
[10:10:43] <roguish[m]> good morning. anyone know if there is a way to check on the WatchDog timer while lcnc is running?
[10:11:15] <roguish[m]> or how to get the latency test to run while lcnc is running, if possible?
[10:11:30] <JT[m]1> that's not possible
[10:12:24] <JT[m]1> anyone build a RIP on debian 9? mine is failing to make https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[10:17:13] <hazzy-m> Interesting, I used to build debian 9 RIPs all the time on the desktop, I'll see if I can get it to fire up
[10:27:31] * JT-Shop just remembered he has a Choceur Rum Trauben Nuss in the desk and takes a nibble
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[10:55:04] <hazzy-m> Just built master on Debian 9, no errors
[10:56:03] <Lcvette> \o/ Hurray! :D
[10:56:54] * hazzy-m is running the chris clone HDD
[10:57:33] <JT[m]1> hmm
[10:57:47] <Lcvette> mine?
[10:58:23] <Lcvette> mine is shiny and new now
[10:58:26] <Lcvette> :O
[10:58:46] <hazzy-m> Yes lol
[10:58:59] * JT[m]1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[11:00:16] <hazzy-m> Ah, I'm on 9.5
[11:03:40] <Lcvette> how do i find out what release im on?
[11:03:54] <roguish[m]> JT: Hey, i've installed 9.8 and am getting some bad behavior that did not occure with 9.5 or 9.6
[11:03:57] <Lcvette> since i just did mine last week
[11:04:03] <hazzy-m> `lsb_release -a`
[11:04:09] <roguish[m]> WatchDog bites.....
[11:04:32] <Lcvette> im on 9.8
[11:04:35] <Lcvette> :O
[11:04:48] <roguish[m]> same boards, same bios settings, same configs.
[11:05:05] <Lcvette> maybe ask peter
[11:11:08] <JT[m]1> I thought I was on 9.5 but I guess upgrading snuck it in
[11:12:18] <JT[m]1> the install disk says 9.5 lol
[11:12:29] <JT[m]1> where is jeff when you need him???
[11:14:14] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (17KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:15:09] <roguish[m]> I think jepler lurcks, try him.... he may reply.
[11:16:59] <JT[m]1> I don't see him on the user list
[11:19:23] * JT[m]1 is off to town
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[11:36:50] <Lcvette> roguish: hazzy mind explaining what is happening? im lost
[11:37:58] <Lcvette> what is the problem ?
[11:38:06] <Lcvette> missing LSB modules?
[11:39:42] <silopolis[m]> hi
[11:39:51] <Lcvette> hi
[11:39:55] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette:
[11:39:56] <hazzy-m> Hello
[11:40:05] <silopolis[m]> apt-get install lsb-base ?
[11:41:23] <hazzy-m> JT I just updated to 9.8 and built again and all is well
[11:41:37] <hazzy-m> I guess I should try with a fresh install
[11:42:13] <Lcvette> im running 9.8
[11:42:23] <Lcvette> what problems should i be experiencing
[11:42:48] <Lcvette> im on a fresh install am i not?
[11:43:29] <hazzy-m> Non, JT is having trouble building from source, but you are running from a buildbot deb
[11:43:49] <hazzy-m> So shouldn't have a y problems
[11:44:10] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: compatibility issues. Linux Standard Base defines standards distributions should follow to be compatible
[11:46:32] <hazzy-m> TurBoss: Took me a while lol: http://pip.kcjengr.com
[11:48:43] <Lcvette> whats that?
[11:48:45] <Lcvette> do i need it?
[11:50:43] <TurBoss> cool thanks
[11:51:24] <TurBoss> i have to make come configs
[11:53:03] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (174KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:53:33] <hazzy-m> xD
[11:54:03] <hazzy-m> It is just our own pip server, you don't need to wory about it, yet ..
[11:55:21] * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (57KB) < https://matrix.org >
[11:55:22] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: seems like pip/python may not like that https://askubuntu.com
[11:55:32] <Lcvette> lol
[11:55:41] <silopolis[m]> lol
[11:56:08] <Lcvette> so what is going on here?
[11:56:15] <Lcvette> clue me in
[11:59:30] <Lcvette> a regular installation is ok? but some wierd installation is not?
[12:00:23] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: actually, nothing I think ! seems that removing this message needed lsb-core package wich is not available anymore
[12:01:25] <silopolis[m]> Lcvette: that's the normal output of the command, ignore it
[12:01:33] <Lcvette> so we don't need lsb?
[12:03:05] <silopolis[m]> you have at least lsb-release package installed or you couldn't have run the `lsb-release -a` command
[12:03:12] <hazzy-m> No, I don't think we do, the actual error is `emc/usr_intf/axis/Submakefile:25: recipe for target '../lib/python/_togl.so' failed`
[12:03:23] <hazzy-m> which is not related to LSB
[12:04:32] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: don't worry, this only affects people building LinuxCNC from source
[12:06:57] <hazzy-m> Hurray!!! The PR works! No longer needed to log out and back in anymore
[12:07:07] <Lcvette> hurray!
[12:07:08] <hazzy-m> after installing QTPyVCP
[12:07:59] <hazzy-m> and QtPyVCP installed flawlessly here on debian following the Quick Start. Only took two commands
[12:09:08] <Lcvette> nice!
[12:09:23] <hazzy-m> `sudo apt install python-pyqt5 python-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 python-pyqt5.qtopengl python-pyqt5.qsci python-pyqt5.qtmultimedia gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad libqt5multimedia5-plugins pyqt5-dev-tools python-dev python-setuptools python-pip git`
[12:09:24] <hazzy-m> `pip install git+https://github.com/kcjengr/qtpyvcp.git`
[12:09:25] <hazzy-m> Is all that was needed on a fesh system
[12:09:51] <Lcvette> outstanding!
[12:10:00] <Lcvette> is that for just the user install?
[12:10:29] <hazzy-m> yes
[12:10:45] <Lcvette> does probe basic open on it?
[12:11:15] <hazzy-m> yes! Opens right up, pretty fast now too!
[12:11:55] <Lcvette> yeah?
[12:11:56] <Lcvette> :D
[12:12:34] <hazzy-m> and VTK etc. was installed automatically
[12:13:01] <Lcvette> nice!
[12:13:28] <Lcvette> how about the dev install is that one ok?
[12:13:58] <hazzy-m> yes, should be, checking now
[12:14:58] <Lcvette> did you use a ssd?
[12:15:06] <Lcvette> since lcvette went to the ssd, the computer is dead silent
[12:15:52] <hazzy-m> no, same Barracuda LP that you have
[12:15:57] <hazzy-m> had*
[12:15:58] <hazzy-m> lol
[12:16:07] <hazzy-m> Lcvette no like it :(
[12:16:31] <Lcvette> it had some issues
[12:16:46] <Lcvette> it was getting louder
[12:16:49] <Lcvette> making new noises
[12:17:01] <Lcvette> usually a sign its not long for this world
[12:17:15] <Lcvette> better to back up and swap when you can
[12:17:17] <hazzy-m> sour grapes ..
[12:17:29] <hazzy-m> you know you liked it better
[12:18:49] <Lcvette> https://www.amazon.com
[12:19:44] <Lcvette> so cheap
[12:20:09] <hazzy-m> those are a pretty good deal, but I've had too much trouble with Kingston SSDs from amazon
[12:21:02] <Lcvette> :O
[12:21:43] <hazzy-m> I orderd there a few years ago and when I bench marked them they were not even close to the read/write speeds spec'd, turned out they were fakes
[12:22:27] <Lcvette> how do i benchmark?
[12:22:33] <hazzy-m> I returned those SSD and bought cheap no-name brand ones and they were much better
[12:24:45] <hazzy-m> then I bought 5 Kingston 16BG micro SD cards for the phone, 3d printet etc. I was leerly because of the previous problem so checked them and they were fakes too. I don't by and storage devices form amazon anymore
[12:26:04] <hazzy-m> mint has a real nice benchmark tool included, I used a command line tool back then, can't remember which one
[12:27:28] <Lcvette> lcvette feels like he has a bomb in his computer now
[12:27:34] <Lcvette> :(
[12:28:14] <Lcvette> but its quiet
[12:28:15] <Lcvette> and fast
[12:29:54] <hazzy-m> I'm sure it's fine
[12:31:40] <Lcvette> who makes the ssd you like most?
[12:31:56] <hazzy-m> These are my prefered SSD now, I have a bunch of them and they have been great: https://www.microcenter.com(120g)
[12:32:20] <hazzy-m> and a bonus the benchmark a good 20% higher than spec'd :)
[12:32:26] <Lcvette> how come you aren't using one of them instead?
[12:33:09] <hazzy-m> because linux was already installed on the HDD
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[12:33:54] <Lcvette> lcvette doesn't have a microcenter
[12:34:03] <hazzy-m> not like I'd have to reach very far to get an SSD LOL
[12:38:16] <hazzy-m> That Kingston SSD sitting under the Inland failed after only a few months, and the Intel SSDs that came in my matched pair of Lenovo T410s failed within minutes of each other, which I do not think is pure coincidence ...
[12:39:43] <Lcvette> hazzy is hard on ssd's
[12:39:46] <hazzy-m> one was running Win7 and the other stretch and they both failed at the same time, I guess it could have been a power surge or something, but they were laptops ...
[12:40:38] <Lcvette> has had harddrive herpes
[12:45:09] <hazzy-m> bebas even gets installed automagicaly when installing using pip + git
[12:48:07] <Lcvette> what$^%#$#$^$$*&^%!!!
[12:48:11] <Lcvette> :D
[12:48:15] <Lcvette> \o/ Hurray!!!! :D
[12:54:04] <JT[m]1> hazzy: did you test the pr in debian 9?
[12:54:41] <hazzy-m> Yes, works like a charm!
[12:56:13] * JT[m]1 pushed the button
[13:00:20] <hazzy-m> Hurray!!! Thank you
[13:05:11] <Lcvette> lcvette went deep
[13:05:14] <Lcvette> into hard drive technology
[13:06:09] <Lcvette> now has more questions than answers
[13:06:11] <Lcvette> lol
[13:06:30] <hazzy-m> the more you learn the less you know lol
[13:06:43] <Lcvette> truth
[13:06:49] <TurBoss> hazzyku bot
[13:06:57] <Lcvette> lol
[13:07:06] <TurBoss> we need the haiku bot again
[13:07:23] <hazzy-m> we do lol
[13:07:31] <hazzy-m> Glenda: are you awake?
[13:07:47] <TurBoss> doesn't listen on this room
[13:08:33] <Lcvette> i learned that the new ssd's are faster because they use the faster pcie's bandwidth capabilities when having the NVMe technology
[13:09:00] <Lcvette> NON-Volatile Memory Express Technology
[13:09:37] <Lcvette> those are found onj the M.2 MB's
[13:09:53] <Lcvette> but not all M.2's are NVMe tech compatible
[13:11:10] <Lcvette> the newest ssd's from Intel, the optane 4 bit is like a whole universe apart from the fastest NVMe technology
[13:11:21] <Lcvette> its getting crazy
[13:11:44] <JT[m]1> those ssd's are almost as cheap as my case of hard drives at $10 each
[13:12:03] <JT[m]1> Available for In-Store Pickup Only.
[13:12:08] <Lcvette> thats because they are old tech now
[13:14:40] <hazzy-m> Those Inland SSDs are literaly on pallets FULL of SSDs, there must be thousands of them per pallet
[13:15:12] <JT[m]1> do you get 3 everytime you visit?
[13:15:48] <Lcvette> Intel Optane 905P with 4 Bit 3D Xpoint Technology, Benchmark 8,750TBW ---- verse ---- 200TBW by most NAND SSD's in Storage Benchmark testing
[13:15:48] <hazzy-m> pretty much
[13:15:53] <Lcvette> thats insane
[13:16:27] <Lcvette> 44 times faster
[13:16:35] <hazzy-m> wow!
[13:17:05] <Lcvette> 1TB HD is $1,325.78
[13:17:07] <Lcvette> lol
[13:17:16] <hazzy-m> ouch
[13:17:39] * hazzy-m stood up too fast the and the back fell off his chair lol
[13:17:39] <Lcvette> that was an independent test
[13:18:35] <Lcvette> will computers even need ram anymore?
[13:19:07] <Lcvette> or will they just start partitioning off a section of the harddrive for it?
[13:19:23] <hazzy-m> that is an interesting point, once storage is as fast as RAM I guess you would'nt really
[13:19:59] <Lcvette> yeah just would need a dedicated cached section
[13:20:43] <Lcvette> so essentially you could make a 1tb hard drive into a 500gb hd with 500gb of ram space
[13:20:44] <Lcvette> :D
[13:20:58] <Lcvette> bet it would be fast
[13:21:32] <Lcvette> plus less circuitry
[13:21:58] <Lcvette> soon we will just be putting the processors on the ssd's
[13:22:13] <hazzy-m> that would be an insane amout of ram, would never get used lol
[13:22:14] <hazzy-m> xD
[13:22:26] <Lcvette> lcvette channeled the future!
[13:22:26] <Lcvette> :O
[13:22:41] <Lcvette> same thing would happen as always
[13:22:48] <Lcvette> programs would be written more complex
[13:22:58] <Lcvette> limitations would be lifted
[13:23:02] <hazzy-m> or the at the rate storage is miniaturizing storage and ram will be build into the processor
[13:23:13] <Lcvette> if there is room to use more people will always use more
[13:23:27] <Lcvette> hazzy went farther into the future
[13:23:48] <Lcvette> :O
[13:23:49] <hazzy-m> lol
[13:24:44] <Lcvette> and the processors will be in a chip injected subdermally and connected to our cerebral cortex
[13:24:46] <Lcvette> and there will be no monitors
[13:24:52] <Lcvette> and we will be the BORG
[13:24:54] <hazzy-m> the speed at which signals can be transmitted in a physical wire are starting to be a limiting factor
[13:24:55] <Lcvette> :O
[13:25:05] <hazzy-m> hehe
[13:25:22] <Lcvette> quantum technology
[13:25:39] <Lcvette> spooky action at a distance
[13:25:44] <Lcvette> no more wires
[13:26:02] <hazzy-m> yeah, it is spooky
[13:26:20] <hazzy-m> LANL ordered 20 quantum machines a while back ...
[13:26:22] <Lcvette> didn't they already build a quantum computer
[13:26:29] <Lcvette> thought so
[13:27:16] <hazzy-m> I didn't realize they were ready for actual use yet, but I guess so
[13:32:19] <hazzy-m> my grandfather was a theoretical physicists in the W (weapons) division, and he would sometimes have to wait months for a simulation to finish calculating
[13:32:31] <hazzy-m> we crunched a few numbers and found that my phone could run the same code in a few minutes, amazing how things have changed
[13:33:06] <Lcvette> 5000 Qubits
[13:33:55] <hazzy-m> there is one simulation they never ran because it would have taken too long, he still hopes to run it one day and has been building a linux machine to run it on lol
[13:36:04] <hazzy-m> the LANL machines were 1000 qubits, guess that is obsolete already
[13:36:26] <Lcvette> they now have 2000's
[13:36:39] <Lcvette> and are upgradeable to the 5000's when they arrive mid 2020
[13:36:58] <hazzy-m> wow
[13:37:50] <Lcvette> speaking to LANL
[13:38:47] <Lcvette> that was as of 3/5/19
[13:40:10] <Lcvette> ok lcvette must go do some work now
[13:43:28] <hazzy-m> jesseg: You don't happen to be on Corvair Center, do you?
[14:07:27] <jesseg> hazzy-m, not unless I could be there without knowing it
[14:07:50] <jesseg> oh, no, I'm not into cars
[14:08:00] <jesseg> I didn't even know what Corvair Center was :P
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[14:22:48] <hazzy-m> jesseg: haha, ok. There is a jesseg there that happens to also be in your neck of the woods
[14:23:00] <jesseg> LOL really?
[14:23:08] <jesseg> cool :D
[14:24:13] <hazzy-m> yeah, I thought it must be you LOL
[14:38:43] * hazzy-m thinks the buildbot is stuck
[14:38:54] <hazzy-m> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[14:52:44] <JT[m]1> dgarr does something to force a build IIRC
[14:53:09] <JT[m]1> travis just finished building
[14:54:05] <hazzy-m> Not sure if I'm reading the waterfal right, but it looks like it it 19 builds behind
[15:00:09] <JT-Shop2> yea looks stuck to me
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[17:28:22] <JT[m]1> hazzy: how is settings coming along? anything I can do?
[18:08:27] <TurBoss> hazzy: could you add a webhook to the githun?
[18:08:31] <TurBoss> github
[18:09:05] <TurBoss> not now
[18:09:10] <TurBoss> is to trigger package builds
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[19:22:17] <Lcvette> travis is busted?
[19:26:15] <JT[m]1> not that I know of
[19:31:38] <Lcvette> oh, i thought travis was the buildbot
[19:31:43] <Lcvette> he not stuck anymore?
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[20:23:39] <Lcvette> Hazzy, is the new installation on the docs page?
[20:26:32] <Lcvette> Or is that what's not building?
[20:28:14] <Lcvette> Turboss is here hurray!
[20:28:22] <Lcvette> Whatcha doing?
[20:28:28] <TurBoss> drawings
[20:28:38] <Lcvette> What kinda drawings?
[20:32:47] <Lcvette> Hello hazzy o/
[20:33:03] <hazzy-m> o/
[20:33:08] <hazzy-m> nubby*
[20:33:09] <Lcvette> Lol
[20:33:10] <hazzy-m> lol
[20:33:18] <Lcvette> Nubs
[20:34:12] <Lcvette> That two line installation you were talking about earlier today
[20:34:23] <Lcvette> Is that what you are trying to build?
[20:47:00] <Lcvette> ?
[20:50:25] * Lcvette uploaded an image: tenor_gif-674298983.gif (267KB) < https://matrix.org >
[20:53:42] <hazzy-m> LoL
[20:55:44] <Lcvette> Answers man
[20:55:53] <Lcvette> Need answers
[21:32:43] <TurBoss> sorry was away
[21:32:43] <TurBoss> :D
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[21:37:34] <Lcvette> No guns
[21:37:51] <TurBoss> airsoft ones
[21:37:59] <Lcvette> Ok
[22:06:39] <hazzy-m> TurBoss: Nice!
[22:08:19] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: Sorry, I didn't mean to laugh at you and then not answer, but I got destracted on the way to the PC lol
[22:09:15] <hazzy-m> the LinuxCNC build bot is not working, so the changes I made this morning to LinuxCNC are not bing published
[22:11:15] * hazzy-m just realized he has a glass of scotch AND a glass of vino on the desk
[22:11:41] <hazzy-m> not becaue I drink a lot, but because I drink so little lol
[22:16:57] <Lcvette> Why you break the bot?
[22:17:26] <Lcvette> What bot do to you nubby?
[22:17:33] <Lcvette> That's messed up!
[22:17:35] <Lcvette> Lol
[22:17:54] <Lcvette> Botbusternubbs
[22:18:02] <hazzy-m> LoL
[22:18:22] <Lcvette> :D
[22:18:36] <Lcvette> o/
[22:20:35] <hazzy-m> I'm thinking about merging the part of settings that I have done, then at least the git increments and jot speed slider will work
[22:20:44] <hazzy-m> which measnt you will almost be ready to use ProbeBasic HURRAY!!!
[22:22:14] * hazzy-m puts some more compost on the fire
[22:22:52] <hazzy-m> trying to use up all the bad wood, won't be any good at all by next season
[22:24:57] <Lcvette> Yeah! Hurray!!!
[22:25:07] <Lcvette> What all is settings?
[23:20:58] <Lcvette> ?
[23:31:43] <hazzy-m> they are basicaly data channels for settings, rather than variable data, if that makes any sense
[23:32:20] <hazzy-m> their value is stored when qtpyvcp shuts down and restored on start up
[23:32:30] <hazzy-m> so they are persistent
[23:32:54] <Lcvette> Like the var table items?
[23:33:10] <hazzy-m> yes very much like that
[23:33:21] <Lcvette> Gotcha
[23:33:37] <Lcvette> They are giving you trouble?
[23:34:52] <hazzy-m> not the global settings, but I was also trying to make widget specific settings for things like wether the VTK backplot should show the program bounds so that would be retained over restarts
[23:35:56] <hazzy-m> those are giving me trouble since we can't know what settings exists untill all the widgets are created
[23:36:40] <Lcvette> Ah
[23:37:06] <hazzy-m> so we have to load the UI file, initialize widgets, register the settings and then register the rules which connect the settings and everything together, so it gets a bit complicated making sure everything gets done in the right order
[23:40:48] <Lcvette> That's a lot going on
[23:42:27] <Lcvette> Is it something that can be set in the in?
[23:42:33] <Lcvette> Ini
[23:42:44] <Lcvette> Would that be easier?