#hazzy | Logs for 2019-09-27

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[00:00:02] <TurBoss> i did
[00:00:03] <TurBoss> lol
[00:00:09] <TurBoss> when I was 10
[00:00:12] <Lcvette> so fun
[00:00:26] <TurBoss> had a 80cc kawa
[00:00:28] <TurBoss> bop booop
[00:00:42] <TurBoss> supercross
[00:01:05] <TurBoss> my father is profesional
[00:01:27] <TurBoss> he used to be the 2º in senior
[00:01:42] <TurBoss> in spain
[00:01:57] <Lcvette> wow thats awesome!
[00:02:12] <TurBoss> he had a ton of trophies
[00:02:21] <TurBoss> * he has a ton of trophies
[00:02:23] <Lcvette> i was regional champion for southeastern NC district
[00:02:32] <Lcvette> 80cc
[00:02:35] <TurBoss> \o/ nice
[00:02:43] <Lcvette> then went to 125cc and got my clock cleaned
[00:02:56] <Lcvette> lol
[00:02:59] <TurBoss> lol my father does 400 or 600cc
[00:03:14] <Lcvette> then had a bad wreck
[00:03:18] <Lcvette> and parents said no more
[00:03:22] <TurBoss> oh
[00:03:24] <TurBoss> ya
[00:03:24] <Lcvette> so only trail riding after
[00:19:50] <Lcvette> TurBoss: will the site keep track of how many people install probe basic?
[00:20:01] <TurBoss> no
[00:43:32] <TurBoss> Lcvette take this
[00:43:34] * TurBoss uploaded an image: image.png (292KB) < https://matrix.org >
[00:43:34] <Lcvette> \o/
[00:43:42] <TurBoss> is adraft
[00:43:47] <Lcvette> you did it?
[00:43:51] <TurBoss> not yet
[00:44:21] <Lcvette> nice
[00:44:43] <Lcvette> need the left side G54, g55, g56
[00:46:21] <TurBoss> I'll put P0 P1 P2 etc
[00:46:25] <TurBoss> as doc says
[00:47:10] <Lcvette> need to show as G54, G55 though right?
[00:47:27] <Lcvette> P0 P1 is internal linuxcnc code not gcode
[00:47:34] * TurBoss uploaded an image: image.png (20KB) < https://matrix.org >
[00:47:47] <TurBoss> is showing tool offsets xD
[00:48:04] <Lcvette> that won't correspond to file gcode
[00:48:13] <Lcvette> better not confuse it and make G54
[00:48:14] <TurBoss> okay..
[00:48:37] <TurBoss> G54 in human language means part or fixture 0
[00:48:51] <TurBoss> but doesn't matter
[00:49:42] <Lcvette> right
[00:50:03] <Lcvette> but humans are what interfacing and comparing to cam code which uses Gxx
[00:50:14] <Lcvette> at a glance its easier than trying to count out what offset corresponds to what number
[00:50:26] <TurBoss> not for 59.2
[00:50:31] <Lcvette> there are 9 of them so it would get confusing
[00:51:27] <TurBoss> brb food
[00:51:32] <Lcvette> ahm ahm ahm
[00:51:37] <TurBoss> :D
[00:51:37] <Lcvette> xD
[00:58:53] <Lcvette> grrrr. this thing is beating me
[00:59:27] <Lcvette> did you ever notice when you load the spindle the load spindle tool number doesn't clear in the box?
[00:59:52] <Lcvette> ive been trying multiple ways to make it clear when returnpressed or the load spindle clicked
[01:00:20] <Lcvette> i tried connecting the spindle label to that box and do textchanged--->clear()
[01:00:24] <Lcvette> bo work wither
[01:00:58] <Lcvette> i got it to kinda work but not really using toggle but it was not actually working on first click or return so wasn't correct
[01:01:22] <Lcvette> hazzy said i need to make a rule but i didn' get where he was going with that
[01:01:28] <TurBoss> 🤔
[01:01:51] <Lcvette> 🤔
[01:02:11] <Lcvette> 😤
[01:02:15] <Lcvette> lol
[01:02:39] <Lcvette> cigar time
[01:02:39] <Lcvette> and a baileys irish cream
[01:04:14] <TurBoss> ohhh
[01:04:38] <TurBoss> you trying to reach the balmer peak or leave it long ago?
[01:04:53] <Lcvette> Lol
[01:08:05] <TurBoss> did it
[01:08:20] <TurBoss> on toolchage it goes to 0
[01:08:53] <Lcvette> what?#^%@#$^#$^
[01:08:55] <Lcvette> that fast?
[01:09:27] <TurBoss> yup
[01:09:32] <TurBoss> heehheeh
[01:09:36] <TurBoss> is easy
[01:09:44] <TurBoss> jus edit rules of the box
[01:09:47] <Lcvette> 3 hours i couldn't get
[01:09:51] <TurBoss> and replace ch[0] with 0
[01:10:16] <Lcvette> never would have known to do that
[01:10:50] * TurBoss just won a somky gigy
[01:10:52] * TurBoss * just won a somky cigy
[01:11:01] <Lcvette> \o/
[01:11:02] <Lcvette> victory
[01:11:16] <TurBoss> works?
[01:11:20] <Lcvette> push when you get back so i can feel vindicated!
[01:11:21] <Lcvette> lol
[01:11:43] <TurBoss> what me to push that?
[01:12:06] <Lcvette> str(0)
[01:12:20] <Lcvette> like so?
[01:12:28] <TurBoss> no
[01:12:30] <TurBoss> se
[01:12:33] <TurBoss> * sek
[01:12:54] <TurBoss> yes
[01:12:56] <TurBoss> like that
[01:13:27] <TurBoss> the rule was putting the tool on spindle into the box again
[01:13:34] <TurBoss> so instead we put a 0
[01:13:39] <Lcvette> \o/
[01:13:42] <Lcvette> works
[01:13:44] <Lcvette> holy crap
[01:13:51] <TurBoss> !gif test
[01:13:56] <Lcvette> gotcha
[01:14:02] <TurBoss> !guggy test
[01:14:12] <Lcvette> guggy?
[01:14:33] -Guggy[m]:#hazzy- Failed to query Guggy: Failed to decode response (HTTP 522)
[01:14:38] <TurBoss> is our gif bot
[01:14:45] <TurBoss> but I can't remember hot i works
[01:15:00] <Lcvette> ah
[01:15:01] <TurBoss> guggy matrix
[01:15:01] <Lcvette> lol
[01:15:39] <TurBoss> !guggy how does it work?
[01:15:52] <TurBoss> !guggy LGTM
[01:15:56] <Lcvette> it works perfect!
[01:16:02] <TurBoss> the bot?
[01:16:07] <Lcvette> chipping away at the little quirks
[01:16:12] -Guggy[m]:#hazzy- Failed to query Guggy: Failed to decode response (HTTP 522)
[01:16:16] <Lcvette> the box tool number fix
[01:16:22] <Lcvette> dammit guggy
[01:16:36] <Lcvette> we are celebrating here quit rainin on our parade
[01:16:38] <Lcvette> lol
[01:16:43] -Guggy[m]:#hazzy- Failed to query Guggy: Failed to decode response (HTTP 522)
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[01:20:30] <Lcvette> lcvette is gonna call it a night, can barely keep my eyes open, the baileys is workin
[01:20:34] <Lcvette> lol
[01:20:49] <TurBoss> !giphy night
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[01:20:55] <Lcvette> goodnight codewarior!
[01:20:57] <Lcvette> nice!
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[06:32:20] <hazzy-m> morning
[06:58:38] <jthornton> morning
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[08:50:17] <Lcvette> morning
[09:30:17] * Lcvette posted a file: clintpost (50KB) < https://matrix.org >
[09:30:38] * Lcvette posted a file: linuxcncpost (50KB) < https://matrix.org >
[09:35:02] <Lcvette> hazzy, did you say your brother or someone was working on a post processor for linuxcnc?
[09:35:22] <Lcvette> thought i remembered a converation about the G64 Px.xxx and the fusion 360 tolerance or something
[12:41:11] <Lcvette> hazzy: quick question, for the buttons you know how it pops up Can't mdi until homed yada yada yada
[12:41:41] <Lcvette> i see there is a "whatsthis line and a tooltip line, are those for other explanations of what the buttons do?
[12:42:12] <Lcvette> ive been trying to add some short blurbs that explains what the button is or does but can't seem to get them to pop up
[12:42:36] <Lcvette> is there a setting to activate them for mouse pointer hover or something?
[12:42:37] <Lcvette> thanks!
[15:52:06] <Lcvette> turboss, installation failed
[15:52:10] <Lcvette> on the machine
[15:52:10] <Lcvette> :(
[15:52:58] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-27_15-52-46.png (106KB) < https://matrix.org >
[15:53:22] <Lcvette> hazzy
[15:53:23] <Lcvette> halp
[15:57:04] <Lcvette> got bad egg ninfo
[17:47:55] <Lcvette> hello?
[17:48:01] <Lcvette> is anybody out there?
[17:48:07] <Lcvette> i feel so....
[17:48:09] <Lcvette> lol
[17:50:43] <Tom_L> got rotten eggs?
[17:52:08] * jthornton is lumber jacking...
[18:01:15] <Lcvette> yup bad egg info
[18:01:49] <Lcvette> hazzy any thoughts?o/
[18:20:43] <Lcvette> turboss?
[18:20:49] <Lcvette> upi asround?
[18:27:21] <Lcvette> sudo apt update
[18:27:45] <Lcvette> i had to run the unistall on qtpyvcp several times before it was all gone
[18:28:02] <Lcvette> but its cleaned out now to where it says its no longer able to uninstall because its missing
[18:40:03] <jthornton> wow 4 topics on qtpyvcp https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[19:35:57] <roguish[m]> jthornton: JT. do you have a copy of SoftDMC from Mesa?
[19:36:36] <jthornton> no, never used it... why?
[19:42:14] <roguish[m]> ah, just over at house of PCW debugging my troubled 7i40 drives. he was using it to test the drive with motor hooked up. dos software but pretty nice for testing.
[19:42:44] <roguish[m]> I'll ask him. I think it free if using Mesa products.
[19:42:58] <jthornton> yea I think it is a free download
[19:43:13] <jthornton> your at the mesa store?
[19:43:50] <roguish[m]> yes,
[19:43:55] <roguish[m]> but i dont' seem to find it.
[19:45:01] <Tom_L> it's store listed for $100
[19:45:14] <jthornton> http://store.mesanet.com
[19:46:26] * roguish[m] uploaded an image: image.png (87KB) < https://matrix.org >
[19:46:53] <roguish[m]> I just messaged him on the -devel channel.
[19:47:08] <roguish[m]> can also email him at tech@mesa
[19:47:24] <jthornton> is he not there?
[19:48:55] <jthornton> The SoftDMC firmware is included free with all Mesa FPGA based cards
[19:50:23] <roguish[m]> I just can't seem to find it. looked in lots of the support zip files.
[19:51:28] <jthornton> I can't find it either, prob some freebymesa url
[19:52:35] <Tom_L> i have a zip file with it
[19:53:15] <roguish[m]> Tom_L:would you mind sharing? somehow?
[19:53:26] <Tom_L> check the 7i43 file
[19:53:30] <Tom_L> that's where it's at
[19:53:39] <Tom_L> i don't mind if you can't find it
[19:53:47] <roguish[m]> looking now
[19:54:29] <Tom_L> usbsdmc directory under config
[19:56:34] <Tom_L> yeah it's still in there
[19:56:49] <Tom_L> http://store.mesanet.com
[19:56:58] <roguish[m]> Tom_L: found it. THANKS.
[19:57:05] <Tom_L> np
[20:08:19] <Lcvette> Yo
[20:08:53] <Lcvette> o/
[20:09:00] <Lcvette> Hazzy
[20:15:57] <hazzy-m> yo
[20:17:12] * hazzy-m is whooped
[20:17:26] <Lcvette> \o/
[20:17:30] <Lcvette> Me too
[20:17:39] <Lcvette> Got bad eh info
[20:17:43] <Lcvette> Egg
[20:17:58] * hazzy-m uploaded an image: ima_f50476b.jpeg (94KB) < https://matrix.org >
[20:17:58] <Lcvette> Probe basic broke
[20:18:11] <hazzy-m> spent the day sorting demo blanks
[20:18:26] <hazzy-m> got a few of them lol
[20:18:32] <Lcvette> I uninstalled and when I installed the new one from the new repository it won't install
[20:18:52] <hazzy-m> aha, bad eggs, thats no fun :(
[20:19:07] <Lcvette> Bad egg info
[20:19:21] <hazzy-m> did you install form PyPi or from the dir ?
[20:19:21] <Lcvette> Setup. Py
[20:19:42] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-27_15-52-46.png (106KB) < https://matrix.org >
[20:19:46] <hazzy-m> ok
[20:20:02] <Lcvette> I did the pip
[20:20:02] <Lcvette> I uninstalled all the old one
[20:20:21] <Lcvette> Ran uninstall multiple times too I got the red message
[20:20:44] <Lcvette> Then restarted and ran the deps and pip
[20:20:55] <Lcvette> Failed in pip
[20:21:04] <Lcvette> That the message above
[20:21:17] * hazzy-m sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[20:21:43] <hazzy-m> so it just doesn't like you ...
[20:21:44] <Lcvette> Python Setup.py eggs info
[20:22:04] <Lcvette> What the?
[20:22:06] <hazzy-m> do you have QtPyVCP installed still?
[20:22:17] <hazzy-m> run `qtpyvcp -v`
[20:22:20] <Lcvette> No
[20:22:23] <Lcvette> I uninstalled
[20:22:36] <hazzy-m> ah, you still need qtpyvcp
[20:24:02] <Lcvette> so i need to install qtpyvcp?
[20:24:30] <hazzy-m> yes
[20:24:39] <hazzy-m> but we do have a slight problemo
[20:25:15] <hazzy-m> we try to compile using qcompile which is included with QtPyVCP before installing QtPyVCP
[20:25:20] <hazzy-m> that won't work lol
[20:25:39] <hazzy-m> but if you install QtPyVCP first it will workl because it is already isntalled
[20:26:06] <Lcvette> can qtpyvcp install from the probe basic linik too?
[20:26:22] <Lcvette> this is more difficult then it was before to install
[20:26:27] <Lcvette> seems worse not better easier
[20:26:41] <Lcvette> and the instructions don't say anything about installing qtpyvcp
[20:39:43] <hazzy-m> yes, when you install probe basic it will automagicaly install QtPyVCP, but I right now it installes them in the wrong order
[20:39:48] <hazzy-m> easy fix
[20:40:29] <Lcvette> so will i need to wait to install once fixed?
[20:40:44] <hazzy-m> no
[20:40:44] <Lcvette> i just installed and now trying to make sense of everything
[20:40:49] <Lcvette> before once installed it was all right there
[20:40:50] <Lcvette> ready to go
[20:40:58] <hazzy-m> just install QtPyVCP first
[20:41:12] <hazzy-m> its only broken because you uninstalled QtPyVCP
[20:42:08] <Lcvette> i mean when you fix will you still need to install qtpyvcp first?
[20:42:20] <hazzy-m> no
[20:42:23] <Lcvette> or will it install with just the probe basic page
[20:42:27] <Lcvette> ok
[20:42:47] <hazzy-m> you will have to install the deps of course, but not QtPyVCP itself
[20:42:47] <Lcvette> sweet!
[20:43:15] <Lcvette> those are on the web poage already
[20:43:31] <hazzy-m> ok sweet
[20:43:49] <Lcvette> ok im installed but can't get it to run
[20:44:05] <hazzy-m> it is probably simplest to refer them to the QTPyVCP docs so they always have the most up-to-date install instructions ...
[20:44:53] <Lcvette> now we are going to various websites to isntall?
[20:45:01] <Lcvette> why not just put probe basic back with qtpyvcp?
[20:45:12] <Lcvette> seems like it would be easier
[20:45:25] <hazzy-m> because it makes it MUCH easyer to deal with
[20:45:29] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-27_20-44-19.png (64KB) < https://matrix.org >
[20:45:31] <hazzy-m> I mean MUCH easyer
[20:45:36] <Lcvette> not for end users
[20:45:45] <hazzy-m> for both installing and development
[20:45:49] <hazzy-m> yet it does
[20:45:55] <Lcvette> not seo fasr
[20:45:59] <Lcvette> ^^^
[20:46:09] <Lcvette> use to run was easy to install
[20:46:12] <Lcvette> now nothing but problems
[20:46:21] <hazzy-m> that is a mesa card problem
[20:46:25] <hazzy-m> to you have power to the card?
[20:46:28] <Lcvette> i mean im only pointing to my experience thus far with the new arrangement
[20:46:59] <Lcvette> not a mesa card problem
[20:47:14] <Lcvette> worked just before changing to the new probe basic
[20:47:18] <Lcvette> boards are powered\
[20:47:27] <Lcvette> cabinet hasn't been opened between\
[20:47:29] <hazzy-m> it says waiting for the card to become ready, and it never does ...
[20:47:43] <Lcvette> every messege says that
[20:47:55] <Lcvette> but its an issue soeme where else
[20:48:27] <hazzy-m> ok, well I can't trouble shoot with a error snippet like that
[20:48:46] <hazzy-m> please post the whole output
[20:52:08] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-27_20-51-55.png (143KB) < https://matrix.org >
[20:53:33] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-27_20-53-20.png (158KB) < https://matrix.org >
[20:53:35] <hazzy-m> post the text, that is just a tiny snippet and very card to read
[20:53:48] <Lcvette> it won't let me copy
[20:54:06] <hazzy-m> create a report file
[20:57:32] * Lcvette posted a file: linuxcnc.report (63KB) < https://matrix.org >
[21:00:50] <Lcvette> hazzy ^^^
[21:01:39] <Lcvette> bebas kai is missing
[21:01:48] <Lcvette> i was able to get the sim to open
[21:08:16] <Lcvette> hazzy: ^^^
[21:16:54] <Lcvette> because the sim is opening im not nsure what my machine configuration is miussing
[21:17:11] <Lcvette> i just went through the inin and made sure all the paths were correct and they are
[21:20:13] <Lcvette> i copied over the config file to linuxcnc/probe_basic/configs/
[21:20:14] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-27_21-19-43.png (75KB) < https://matrix.org >
[21:20:18] <Lcvette> now i get this message
[21:22:15] <hazzy-m> Lcvette: Its had to say withough the full error text, but agian it looks like a problem with the mesa card com
[21:22:43] <Lcvette> i sent the full previous error text
[21:22:53] <Lcvette> i got the same errors the previous time
[21:23:04] <Lcvette> always see the hm2z_eth message
[21:23:20] <Lcvette> it generally becomes ready when linuxcnc loads
[21:25:31] <Lcvette> hazzy: ^^^^
[21:25:37] <Lcvette> its gotta be something else
[21:25:45] <Lcvette> nothing with the mesa card has changed
[21:25:58] <Lcvette> that i know of
[21:27:19] <Lcvette> but bebas kai is missing so something is still not right with the install
[21:27:30] <Lcvette> its not complete somewhere
[21:51:45] * Lcvette uploaded an image: Screenshot_2019-09-19_22-26-35.png (60KB) < https://matrix.org >
[21:52:31] <Lcvette> hazzy this is from when i install qtpyvcp the first time and the same hm2_eth message was displayed it displays that message everytime there is an issue and linuxcnc does not complete loading
[21:52:43] <Lcvette> sp please do not dismiss this as a hardware problem
[21:52:55] <Lcvette> it isn't its something else
[21:53:16] <Lcvette> everything was running fine earlier before i did the c=switch to the new repository
[21:55:46] <Lcvette> existing problems are that probe basic is missing the bebas kai font, for the sim to run and im not wuse why my other config isn't mrunning as i have changed everything in the ini to reflect correct paths nothing else has changed
[21:55:52] <Lcvette> here is the ini
[21:55:57] * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org >
[22:04:55] <hazzy-m> bebas kia is not installed because I have not atted it to the setup.py yet, but that does not effect anything else
[22:05:25] <Lcvette> no but you say its the mesa card yet every other error from before had that same message about hm2_eth
[22:05:32] <Lcvette> its not the mesa card
[22:05:42] <Lcvette> something is wrong software
[22:06:01] <Lcvette> maybe from me uninstalling?
[22:06:04] <Lcvette> i dunno
[22:06:14] <hazzy-m> if you think it is something with the new probe basic then change the DISPLAY option in your INI to the old `probebasic` (rather than `probe_basic`)
[22:06:23] <hazzy-m> that will rule that out at lease
[22:06:23] <hazzy-m> t
[22:06:48] <hazzy-m> did you reinstall QtPyVCP>/
[22:06:49] <hazzy-m> ?
[22:06:59] <Lcvette> not if the problem stems from installing everything new
[22:07:08] <Lcvette> becaus ei hasd the old one installed previously\
[22:07:44] <hazzy-m> it will rlue out the new repo being the rpbelm, which is what you have been saying
[22:07:44] <Lcvette> did turboss remove the old probebasic?
[22:08:01] <hazzy-m> we have not removed probe basic from QtPyVCO yet, sothat is all the same
[22:10:00] <Lcvette> well last time there were qtpyvcp options under linuxcnc
[22:10:01] <Lcvette> now there are not
[22:10:16] <Lcvette> i had to physically add them
[22:11:02] <hazzy-m> nothing has changed
[22:11:08] * hazzy-m must sleep
[22:11:18] <hazzy-m> will be up bright and realy with a fresh mind
[22:11:39] <Lcvette> im gone tomorrow morning untilp the afternoon
[22:11:50] <Lcvette> be around then?
[22:11:59] <hazzy-m> ok, will try to have some goodies ready for you
[22:12:12] <hazzy-m> yes, should be
[22:12:12] <Lcvette> \o/ thanks you]
[22:12:35] <Lcvette> night
[22:12:39] <hazzy-m> gn8
[22:29:11] <Tom_L> Lcvette you get it worked out?
[22:30:11] <Lcvette> Tom_L (@freenode_Tom_L:matrix.org): no
[22:30:29] <Lcvette> Think I'm just going to do a fresh looking install tomorrow afternoon
[22:30:51] <Lcvette> Linux*
[22:30:51] <Tom_L> you were geting that error when your mpg.ini was botched
[22:31:02] <Tom_L> you sure you didn't overwrite an ini or hal file?
[22:31:07] <Lcvette> Yeah
[22:31:16] <Lcvette> It's not a hardware issue
[22:31:27] <Lcvette> No
[22:31:29] <Tom_L> that error is
[22:31:54] <Lcvette> I saved them prior to uninstalling everything
[22:32:07] <Lcvette> All my machine specific files
[22:32:13] <Tom_L> have you looked at them?
[22:32:27] <Lcvette> In great fine detail
[22:32:59] <Tom_L> you missed one fine detail somewhere
[22:33:33] <Lcvette> Maybe
[22:33:41] <Tom_L> oh
[22:33:54] <Lcvette> But the only thing that should change are the paths
[22:34:42] <Tom_L> you see it's addressing it as GPIO and it wasn't doing that before
[22:34:44] <Lcvette> I made sure those were all correct
[22:34:47] <Tom_L> rather input-20
[22:35:14] <Tom_L> GPIO.20 does not exhist because you call it input-20
[22:35:16] <Tom_L> remember?
[22:35:26] <Lcvette> I just pulled that from a previous example to show that the hm2 message is always there along with whatever other debug message
[22:35:38] <Tom_L> something is making a call to GPIO.20
[22:35:42] <Tom_L> and it shouldn't
[22:36:10] <Lcvette> That's message is from the mpg install errors
[22:36:12] <Lcvette> Not current
[22:36:36] <Tom_L> i thought that was the last error you posted
[22:36:46] <Tom_L> i didn't read the whole log context
[22:36:51] <Tom_L> was asleep
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[22:37:47] <Lcvette> This is the current message
[22:38:27] <Lcvette> Hazzy was saying he thought it was hardware store because of hm2_eth waiting to become ready
[22:38:47] <Lcvette> I was showing him that message always is there when it doesn't load
[22:38:59] <Lcvette> It being linuxcnc
[22:39:28] <Tom_L> anything specific further in the error message?
[22:40:03] <Lcvette> Not that I see
[22:40:50] <Tom_L> did you get qtpyvcp re'installed?
[22:41:07] <Lcvette> I uninstalled qtpyvcp earlier and reinstalled from the new repo
[22:41:21] <Lcvette> And since it's not working
[22:41:31] <Tom_L> does qtpyvcp work?
[22:41:40] <Lcvette> Worked 5 minutes prior to doing the uninstall
[22:41:57] <Lcvette> I only have the user install not the dev
[22:42:01] <Lcvette> The Sim loads
[22:42:14] <Lcvette> But it's missing the correct font
[22:42:19] <Tom_L> did you try loading the dev?
[22:42:48] <Lcvette> No I'm gonna let hazzy finish what he needs to then do a clean install tomorrow
[22:43:09] <Lcvette> I want to be able to install it the same way anyone else would and have it work
[22:43:23] <Tom_L> i realize tat
[22:43:25] <Tom_L> that
[22:44:45] <Lcvette> This is what I didn't want
[22:44:58] <Tom_L> and that's why it happened :)
[22:45:01] <Tom_L> Murphy
[22:45:05] <Lcvette> Require people to go to the different places now to install
[22:45:38] <Lcvette> Before it was only two, linuxcnc install them qtpyvcp
[22:45:50] <Lcvette> And you had everything
[22:46:06] <Lcvette> But hazzy said he was going to include qtpyvcp with probe basic
[22:46:16] <Lcvette> So we'll see
[22:46:23] <Lcvette> Hope it works
[22:47:02] <Lcvette> Having to go so many places with docs all over the place is the prime reason linuxcnc is viewed as so difficult by most penial users
[22:47:11] <Lcvette> But devs never seen to grasp that
[22:47:54] <Tom_L> you probably need it's core for yours to work
[22:48:38] <Tom_L> kinda like making library calls with a missing library
[22:49:33] <Lcvette> If that's the case, it should have just stayed in qtpyvcp
[22:49:44] <Lcvette> Why complicate things
[22:49:53] <Tom_L> :)
[22:51:51] <Tom_L> so if qtpyvcp is installed basically you could run any qtpyvcp gui you create
[22:52:09] <Tom_L> instead of having it bundled with each individual one
[22:53:42] <Lcvette> sure
[22:53:54] <Tom_L> i know that's not what you had in mind
[22:54:02] <Lcvette> but it doesn't hurt to have a few templates avail
[22:54:48] <Lcvette> i understand qtpyvc is a building compnent rather then a gui dispensery
[22:55:01] <Lcvette> but probe basic kinda has everything in it as a template
[22:55:56] <Lcvette> from the response so far on instagram, youtube, the forums, people feel its an evolutionary step up in linux guis
[22:56:03] <Lcvette> no gui pleases everybody and get that
[22:56:03] <Tom_L> but if someone was to use it as a guide, can you cut and paste sections of it to another gui?
[22:56:27] <Lcvette> you can change it
[22:56:31] <Lcvette> mothigs around
[22:56:35] <Lcvette> change colors
[22:56:41] <Lcvette> styles
[22:56:58] <Lcvette> dragging things around keeps connections
[22:57:02] <Lcvette> cutting and pasting does not
[22:57:11] <Tom_L> hope someone is writing a howto for it
[22:58:25] <Lcvette> so if you wanted to make a square screen version you could remove the things you didn't want on the main screen
[22:58:26] <Lcvette> the drag and rezise containers to your liking
[22:58:27] <Lcvette> when i did the vertical screen i took me less then an house ragging and dropng stuff
[22:59:03] <Lcvette> if you were to try and build a gui from scratch you would have alot longer id uless yo went minmalistic like JT's
[22:59:22] <Lcvette> those you can whip together retty fast
[22:59:35] <Tom_L> if you know what you're doing
[22:59:54] <Tom_L> you should be thinking like a noob gui builder
[23:00:23] <Tom_L> so it's simple to follow the steps for someone new to it
[23:01:03] <Tom_L> i think what you're doing is fantastic but the average person wouldn't be able to do that
[23:01:39] <Lcvette> the atc stuff from scratch would be a problem
[23:02:08] <Lcvette> i have n clue how turboss did his wonderful magic
[23:02:25] <Lcvette> i understand how it works looking at the code but no the average joe would have no clue how to code something like that
[23:02:35] <Lcvette> that is top level programming
[23:02:50] <Tom_L> and the key to success is being able to use it and make something useful
[23:03:08] <Lcvette> that is a rather lofty endeavor
[23:03:17] <Lcvette> but again, in probe basic its done for you
[23:03:45] <Lcvette> you simply have to deal with the remap ngc coding which is worlds easier to pickup and work with than actual code
[23:04:23] <Lcvette> the probing routines there are i think 36+ routines all are well over apage long
[23:05:07] <Lcvette> to start that from scratch would take alot
[23:05:12] <Lcvette> i was locked into the zone when i wrote those
[23:05:14] <Tom_L> yup
[23:05:15] <Lcvette> lol
[23:06:20] <Lcvette> so my point is with such a universally accepted gui why not use it as representation of what qtpyvcp can do and or allow it to be the gui for users who have been looking for a more intuitive interactive interface
[23:07:04] <Lcvette> i probably have over 200 requests for when its finally ready for mainstream use
[23:07:13] <Tom_L> i think it's good that you have a showcase gui for qtpyvcp
[23:08:03] <Lcvette> thats what i thought and what we discussed in the early days, but then all of a suddent he big push for its own repository and i never fully understood it but i had to put trust in the guys who know more about code then i do
[23:08:15] <Lcvette> so far though i have bnot seen the benefits of it
[23:08:53] <Tom_L> simplified steps for installation is about all i can see
[23:08:56] <Lcvette> think it was a bad decision from my perspective but i still don't know the depth of the purpose so i can't say if its going to be a good or bad thing
[23:09:19] <Lcvette> but its not
[23:09:24] <Tom_L> yet
[23:09:27] <Lcvette> it now requires you to go to qtpyvcp first
[23:09:35] <Lcvette> then go to probe_basicpyside
[23:09:57] <Lcvette> then hazzy was saying we need to revert people to the qtlyvcp docs
[23:10:38] <Lcvette> so from my limited perspective i am asking myself if you need to direct them to qtpyvcp to install it and direct them to the qtpyvcp docs
[23:10:39] <Lcvette> why even have a seperate place for it?
[23:10:43] <Lcvette> seems odd
[23:11:00] <Tom_L> a little
[23:11:37] <Lcvette> turboss says its better because i have more freedom with it now
[23:11:48] <Tom_L> probably
[23:11:49] <Lcvette> let me tell ya freedom with it is the LAST thing this guys needs
[23:11:56] <Lcvette> thats just rope to hangmyself with
[23:12:07] <Tom_L> but you'll learn
[23:12:07] <Lcvette> lol
[23:12:28] <Lcvette> oh well maybe hazzy will be able to show me the light after his magic tomorrow
[23:12:46] <Tom_L> i'll be waiting to see what happens
[23:13:20] <Lcvette> i think it should be like i told turboss the other day, a small library of examples like it was each with full installation instruction on each page
[23:13:45] <Lcvette> or maybe check boxes for whichever gui example you would like to instyall so you don't get the whole bloated package
[23:14:05] <Lcvette> but then again im a windows lifer
[23:14:26] <Lcvette> like 80% of the people who want to switch to lnuxcnc but are terrified of its complexity
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[23:19:09] <Tom_L> i don't know that much about linux either
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[23:23:49] <Lcvette> lol.. to windows users.. you would be considered a linux guru
[23:23:51] <Lcvette> lol
[23:24:08] <Tom_L> i am a windows user
[23:24:50] <Lcvette> i mean windows users who don't know anything about linux
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[23:27:54] <Tom_L> did you ever figure out that mouseover thing?
[23:29:26] <Lcvette> mouseover?
[23:29:34] <Lcvette> you mean the tooltip?
[23:29:38] <Lcvette> no
[23:29:43] <Tom_L> i think so yes
[23:29:59] <Lcvette> the hover for info on the button?
[23:30:07] <Tom_L> yeah
[23:30:15] <Lcvette> i see how it works but don't know how to implement it
[23:30:24] <Lcvette> seems to need coding
[23:30:32] <Tom_L> i think so
[23:30:32] <Lcvette> thats where i fall short
[23:31:15] <Lcvette> be nice to have a tutor mode that you can select so it gives those while you feel your way around the gui is what i was thinking
[23:31:45] <Lcvette> then be able to turn it off once your up to speed
[23:31:54] <Lcvette> would be good on a few of the buttons
[23:32:45] <Lcvette> i think it would round out the user experience in the beginning and give confidence
[23:40:24] <Tom_itx> https://www.python-course.eu
[23:42:45] <Lcvette> i need a different learning style
[23:43:06] <Lcvette> i tried last year to understand it but i need a global explanation
[23:43:17] <Lcvette> what its doing with diagrams and what not
[23:43:44] <Lcvette> until i see that learning it a small piece at a time without a global understanding of what is happening it makes no sense to me
[23:43:57] <Lcvette> so i get glazed over in the first few steps
[23:44:03] <Tom_itx> https://nitratine.net
[23:44:13] <Lcvette> im just repeating like a monkey see monkey do
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