#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-06-29

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[01:32:01] <fragalot> hi
[01:32:28] <jesseg> howdy
[01:36:10] <miss0r> mornin'
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[01:43:42] <fragalot> miss0r: didyafixthediesel?
[01:43:53] <miss0r> yep
[01:44:10] <miss0r> purring like a kitteh
[01:44:57] <fragalot> they're not supposed to :/
[01:45:40] <miss0r> yeah well.. What the hell do I know :D
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[01:47:49] <miss0r> it had alot of stuff wrong with it actualy. Worst of all, the chassis/gnd connection was eroded away. Then came the starter relay with alot of smudge on the contacts. and THEN main main breaker was bad. I had to replace that one
[01:48:04] <miss0r> That did it. After that it just sprang right to life when egnited
[01:48:10] <miss0r> ignited*
[01:48:26] <fragalot> well there aren't all that many other parts to go wrong with a diesel, lol
[01:48:56] <Wolf__> old diesel yes, newer one, not so simple
[01:49:22] <fragalot> of course
[01:49:25] <fragalot> but we don't talk about those
[01:49:26] <miss0r> so true
[01:49:29] <miss0r> but this is an old one
[01:49:41] <Wolf__> I have a ’12 and ’15…
[01:49:44] <miss0r> new diesels are like toilet paper. Use once and then throw out
[01:50:15] <Wolf__> if something is wrong, usually its electrical or emissions control related
[01:51:29] <miss0r> yeah... I don't like new diesels that much. I like the old industrial diesels
[01:52:41] <miss0r> fragalot: do you have any vacation comming up?
[01:53:04] <fragalot> miss0r: I do - going to iceland in 2 weeks
[01:53:19] <miss0r> I like iceland :] Ever been there before?
[01:53:22] <fragalot> which means that the 2 or 3 weeks around that period i'm unlikely to be able to get time off again
[01:53:25] <fragalot> I haven't, no :-)
[01:54:06] <Wolf__> latest issue my 6.7lt ford had… cam position sensor wiring, needless to say it was causing a few codes https://i.imgur.com
[01:54:39] <fragalot> wth did you do to that :P
[01:54:55] <fragalot> do they not use silicone insulation on wires that may get hot in the US?
[01:54:58] <miss0r> I'll ask the wife (because I can't remember such things) We ate at the PERFECT restaurant at a harbour there. very small place - the kinda place the locals eat. You go in and point at the meat you'd like in their cooler window, then they'd put it on a stick and grill it. Must be the best whale beef i've ever had.
[01:55:05] <miss0r> Very nice atmosphere
[01:55:18] <fragalot> sure :-)
[01:55:19] <Wolf__> nothing, crap insulation fell off the wiring inside the wire loom
[01:55:21] <fragalot> we'll be sticking to the south
[01:55:34] <miss0r> yeah, I can't remember where this was. I'll ask ;)
[01:56:02] <Wolf__> most of the wiring harnesses in the ford say made in Mexico iirc
[01:56:15] <miss0r> that thing looks like it was hot at some point
[01:57:25] <miss0r> I guess that is like saying 'Made in romania' if you come from europe
[01:57:39] <Wolf__> 5v ref, gnd and signal return… doubt that the wire got hot
[01:57:58] <fragalot> Wolf__: it IS surrounded by an engine that typically runs at 100°C
[01:58:09] <fragalot> and whatever else is in that wiring harness
[01:58:49] <Wolf__> only those 3 wires and it doesn’t run that hot, its on the front of the motor
[01:59:15] <fragalot> cookin' in the sun?
[01:59:31] <RyanS> miss0r: the chineseium boring bar worked as a good HSS bit holder. the thinner black part just hacksawed off. LOL
[01:59:57] <Wolf__> might make it to 50C maybe…
[02:00:12] <miss0r> RyanS: what thinner black part? :S
[02:01:16] <RyanS> of the cheap boring bar, the part the tip is brazed onto
[02:02:47] <fragalot> that's just mild steel isn't it?
[02:02:53] <fragalot> if you're lucky
[02:02:54] <fragalot> :P
[02:02:57] <RyanS> I think they temper those back into the durometer scale :P
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[02:03:06] <IchGucksLive> morning from germany
[02:03:47] <RyanS> it appears to be just lightly case hardened
[02:04:14] <miss0r> hmm.. Indeed
[02:04:24] <miss0r> I would assume they were made from compressed cans
[02:04:46] <miss0r> perhaps the outer layer was made from a discarted SPAM can.. they are pretty tough
[02:04:47] <RyanS> pewter
[02:05:32] <RyanS> maybe it's babbitt lol
[02:09:25] <RyanS> Ich are you familiar with DBK products? I'm trying to get my hands on https://www.ebay.co.uk but the 10W version. know of any electronics places that might sell to Australia?
[02:13:44] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, how is it down under
[02:13:54] <IchGucksLive> here sun is rising temps are climbing
[02:14:18] <RyanS> it's really bloody cold
[02:14:34] <IchGucksLive> in mid winter normal
[02:14:43] <RyanS> but that is Melbourne for you
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[02:15:32] <IchGucksLive> .weather melbourne
[02:16:08] <IchGucksLive> the bot is nt on
[02:16:35] <IchGucksLive> im off 2 garden water is all plants need at this head wave
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[02:16:59] <RyanS> 8 to 12°
[02:18:25] <CaptHindsight> I'll trade you, it' 90's all through the weekend
[02:19:06] <RyanS> what's that in °C?
[02:19:49] <CaptHindsight> 30's C
[02:19:59] <RyanS> 32, nice
[02:20:09] <RyanS> it's a deal
[02:20:38] <RyanS> you can have my 10°
[02:21:06] <CaptHindsight> used to be a reg in here from Melbourne
[02:22:27] <RyanS> me I've been here for ages but yet to build a CNC
[02:25:54] <RyanS> steppers can run on AC voltage?! https://www.omc-stepperonline.com
[02:27:20] <RyanS> or does this have an internal ACDC power supply?
[02:27:32] <CaptHindsight> looks like they have a built in DC power supply
[02:28:27] <miss0r> meh! If it gets any more humid here I'll need to start wearing a snorkel to catch my breath
[02:29:06] <RyanS> so you just need a toroidal transformer without a bridge rectifier?
[02:35:00] <CaptHindsight> not sure what that drive requires or how well it performs
[02:35:46] <CaptHindsight> how it handles reverse EMF from a motor
[02:36:45] <CaptHindsight> I have stepper and servo drives that operate from 120-240VAC
[02:36:53] <CaptHindsight> single and three phase
[02:37:15] <CaptHindsight> the internal power supplier are well designed
[02:37:32] <CaptHindsight> that Chinaco thing probably isn't
[02:37:51] <RyanS> I thought they were Leadshine knockoffs, but they're actually manufactured by Leadshine.. just a 1/3 of the price
[02:40:05] <CaptHindsight> might be, never used them
[02:41:54] <RyanS> 18-80 VAC input is a bit wierd -- I guess it still requres a transformer so not saving much space on components
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[04:01:05] <IchGucksLive> hi
[04:01:12] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, still on
[04:06:35] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, if you read the logs go for the DM856 mutch better hysteresis on DC 72V
[04:07:42] <IchGucksLive> the T ones are the FAKE D is to be min OR simply see DEFAULT in microstepsettings
[04:07:59] <IchGucksLive> im off till later
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[05:22:43] <RyanS> fake d?
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[06:14:15] <Deejay> hi
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[06:30:13] <jthornton> morning
[06:36:49] <RyanS> its a shame DIN rail PSUs only go up to 5A would have made for a tidy control cabinet
[06:37:36] * jthornton better go hide his PSU's that are bigger than 5A
[06:38:23] <Loetmichel> hihi, i should really get a new PSU for my tinker-notebook here... using a 15V 6A bench PSU and a car converter at the moment... Funny effect: on an empty battery in the notebook you'll see the current rise from 3A running idle to 6A... then the bench PSU goes from CV into CC mode for a spit second, current goes down to 3A... rising slowly over 10 sec, *CC-klick* down to 3A again...
[06:38:51] <RyanS> at least not these suppliers
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[06:39:35] <gregcnc> 500W is common
[06:41:09] <jthornton> .weather
[06:41:22] <jthornton> hmm bot is down
[06:41:33] <jthornton> excessive heat warning today here
[06:41:34] <RyanS> frigging cold
[06:42:01] <XXCoder> here its even 70f
[06:42:14] <XXCoder> last week was hot, but cool since
[06:42:44] <jthornton> 72°F here
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[06:43:08] <XXCoder> last week was constant 80s-90s ugh
[06:43:16] <jthornton> heat index 110°F today
[06:43:26] <XXCoder> I look "forward" to july and worse, aug :(
[06:44:56] <gregcnc> any portable AC worth a damn?
[06:45:06] <XXCoder> im considering ac also
[06:45:13] <XXCoder> my room has essentally no isulation
[06:46:26] <jthornton> I like the LG window units
[06:47:35] <gloops> we might break the 1976 record here
[06:47:47] <gloops> 15 consecutive days of 30C +
[06:48:30] <gloops> i remember 1976 i thought it had already been hotter this year, apparently not..yet
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[06:55:16] <XXCoder> record breaking is easier and easier to come
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[07:03:10] * jthornton wanders off to make the mash for the children
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[07:17:43] * SpeedEvil cues 'the monster mash'.
[07:18:18] * jthornton has that song
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[07:21:17] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[07:21:23] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, still here
[07:21:56] <RyanS> yep
[07:22:31] <IchGucksLive> hi there are din rail clipd for menawell psu available
[07:22:48] <IchGucksLive> and there are 10A 48V psu also
[07:23:13] <RyanS> they have this one https://www.omc-stepperonline.com regarding drivers
[07:23:19] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, be aware there are lots of fake leadshine out
[07:23:51] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, if you trust me you shoudt go for the DM556D
[07:24:04] <IchGucksLive> or for the original 556
[07:24:24] <IchGucksLive> but the newer ones DM856 are a hell of improvments
[07:24:35] <IchGucksLive> not so commen available
[07:24:59] <IchGucksLive> the real digital are programmable and got a RS232
[07:25:22] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, you can se it as Default printed on it
[07:25:37] <RyanS> this is stepper online the manual says manufactured by Leadshine
[07:25:47] <IchGucksLive> if it starts with 400steps/rev on printing it is not a good one but it will work
[07:26:01] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, it is
[07:26:18] <IchGucksLive> but not by the manufacture you expect
[07:27:17] <IchGucksLive> there are at most the old version like DM556 the lowcost DM556T or H and the DM556D witch is OEM
[07:27:45] <RyanS> DM556 ( labelled Leadshine ) will cost $160 Australian:-(
[07:28:16] <RyanS> 80 euros I think
[07:28:19] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, and the newest DM856
[07:28:41] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, i paid 150Euros 4 pices
[07:31:21] <RyanS> DM556 enough current for https://www.omc-stepperonline.com i like the strain relief cable
[07:32:05] <IchGucksLive> i see 50AU¼
[07:34:11] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, the nema24 4Nm got more speed
[07:34:37] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, store in Regents Park, NSW, Australia
[07:34:53] <IchGucksLive> https://www.ebay.com.au
[07:35:19] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, with this you need only one psu for XYZ
[07:35:35] <IchGucksLive> 48V 10.6A
[07:35:46] <IchGucksLive> and it is din rail
[07:37:07] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, https://www.ebay.com.au
[07:39:00] <IchGucksLive> https://www.ebay.com.au
[07:39:40] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, arent you around Northwest
[07:40:12] <RyanS> south
[07:40:47] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, i think it is best to go with this shop and take some Hints
[07:41:15] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, low cost parts and good for 4m/min
[07:41:29] <IchGucksLive> with the T brigs
[07:42:09] <RyanS> yeah it's stepper online I bought a 23 stepper from them before
[07:42:17] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, did he charge shipment as i dont see this
[07:43:01] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, it is up to your decicion
[07:43:36] <RyanS> I can't recall
[07:43:43] <IchGucksLive> i hee in germany got 4 ruunning mashines waiting for ER16 clamps to arrive since 3 weeks
[07:44:25] <RyanS> I was hoping for 5 or 6 m/min
[07:44:26] <IchGucksLive> the wirechains arrived earlier then expected NICE
[07:44:41] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, is it a plasma
[07:45:38] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, depending on mass of router axis and precision 0,02mm per step i say yes
[07:46:02] <IchGucksLive> with 0,01mm/step or even lower i dident mange to go that numbers
[07:46:26] <IchGucksLive> WITHOUT MESA ofcause
[07:46:52] <RyanS> yeah the hypertherm manual has 5560mm/min 2mm mild steel. maybe I drop to 35A to lower the speed?
[07:47:11] <IchGucksLive> the 7i76 gets to that easy 100Vel 900ACC no problem
[07:47:28] <IchGucksLive> is it a hypertherm 45
[07:47:59] <IchGucksLive> i run at 3400mm/min at 28-30A
[07:48:04] <RyanS> I have a 7i76e
[07:48:14] <IchGucksLive> then you are on
[07:48:36] <IchGucksLive> even the 542T will do that on the mesa
[07:49:09] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, cable to stepper is max 0,75mm²
[07:49:23] <RyanS> ok but does the cut quality reduce if I drop the amps?
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[07:49:25] <IchGucksLive> 4x0,75 oelflex 110 chain
[07:49:51] <IchGucksLive> CUT quality has lots of acts
[07:49:55] <IchGucksLive> Humanity
[07:50:03] <IchGucksLive> THC speed
[07:50:14] <IchGucksLive> the Grounding of the table
[07:50:27] <IchGucksLive> the cleaness of the airflow
[07:50:45] <IchGucksLive> the quality of the torque
[07:51:17] <IchGucksLive> on amazon are spare parts that are not worth the money to spend
[07:52:38] <RyanS> so are NEMA 34 slower because the rotor has more inertia?
[07:53:00] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, Plasma parts my brother makes http://schwedenfeuer.de
[07:53:29] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, it needs more power and is slower a max of 220RPM
[07:53:46] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, while the Nema 23 can go at 500RPM
[07:54:05] <IchGucksLive> the 24 is near the same with more torque
[07:54:40] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, i got one plasma 2500x1500 on 2Nm with 30:1 worm gear
[07:54:59] <IchGucksLive> Rack pinion
[07:55:26] <IchGucksLive> it is on the old 5i25 7i76 and goes up to 10m
[07:55:30] <IchGucksLive> per min
[07:56:29] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, did you go for hypertherm cnc or the od one
[07:57:08] <IchGucksLive> oh i forgot i run the 2A throu a 5x0,5mm² 7meter cable
[07:57:41] <IchGucksLive> the 4x0,75 gave alot of problems EMI relaited
[07:57:59] <IchGucksLive> the 5th line is Grounded
[07:58:14] <IchGucksLive> Stepepr Frame
[07:58:26] <RyanS> 45XP is the cnc one with cpc port and machine torch
[07:58:56] <IchGucksLive> cpc do they all have
[07:59:12] <IchGucksLive> its the internal thc they got spare
[07:59:24] <IchGucksLive> and the 50:1 divider
[07:59:39] <IchGucksLive> so you got 0-10V THC
[07:59:57] <IchGucksLive> as i most run on 112V
[08:00:01] <RyanS> it also has RS485 to adjust current but I wouldn't have a clue how to program linuxCNC for that
[08:00:27] <IchGucksLive> there is a modbus serial
[08:00:44] <IchGucksLive> and you get a sidepanel for Adj
[08:01:05] <RyanS> don't worm gearbox have huge backlash
[08:01:08] <IchGucksLive> but most 99% of the time i dont need it
[08:01:23] <IchGucksLive> no there are precision sets
[08:02:01] <RyanS> the precision planetary are way over my budget
[08:02:19] <IchGucksLive> http://maedler.de
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[08:02:48] <IchGucksLive> as you see there are only the 3 available cnc guys need
[08:02:58] <IchGucksLive> hi gloops
[08:03:05] <IchGucksLive> gloops, still on fire
[08:03:34] <gloops> well, didnt really play to win i dont think Ichs
[08:03:44] <gloops> maybe beat Columbia next
[08:03:54] <IchGucksLive> we are out
[08:03:58] <IchGucksLive> so what
[08:04:03] <gloops> yes, bit of a surprise
[08:04:10] <IchGucksLive> RyanS, im called off
[08:04:17] <IchGucksLive> till late RyanS
[08:04:28] <IchGucksLive> 7pm Berlin time
[08:04:32] <RyanS> bye
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[08:06:02] <gloops> England have got the easy route, Colombia next, then sweden or switzerland, also less travelling
[08:06:18] <gloops> but you can never tell, colombia might be storming this year
[08:06:26] <gloops> and Brazil might not be
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[09:04:59] <rebecca> spindle coolant idea. using a long run of garden hose into an outside/cool place for the radiator. coupled with a minimal sized reservoir for the immersed pump located slightly above the spindle height so that the pump has zero head height to fight.
[09:06:49] * SpeedEvil sings the 'hose in different area codes' song.
[09:07:05] <SpeedEvil> Freezing in some climates may be a concern.
[09:07:15] <rebecca> not in mine :)
[09:07:20] <rebecca> sydney, aust
[09:08:21] <RyanS> IDK Melbourne is freezing right now
[09:08:24] <SpeedEvil> It's not at all an insane idea.
[09:08:34] <rebecca> cool
[09:09:05] <SpeedEvil> As long as the hose is OK with the coolant, and especially if you have a level detector.
[09:09:20] <rebecca> i noticed the documentation for my spindle warns to keep coolant temp low
[09:09:32] <rebecca> and my little shed workshop can be an oven in the summer
[09:09:47] <rebecca> so moving heat outside it sounds optimal
[09:09:59] <SpeedEvil> Or the alternative is to insulate your shed.
[09:10:27] <rebecca> nah, rental we don't intend to stay in particularly long
[09:10:29] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:10:58] <rebecca> i built the shed but it's too big to move.
[09:12:22] <rebecca> it's built on a wooden frame atop blocks. ventilated space underneath is shaded and relatively cool
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[09:30:52] <veek> cool page on grinding wheels https://www.model-engineer.co.uk
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[10:22:32] <JT-Shop> yea I sold that portable AC unit and gave away the old window unit... more empty floor
[10:25:04] <Roguish> JT-Shop: hey, good morning. you run Mint desktop, right? is it Mint on debian, or the full Mint distro?
[10:26:34] <JT-Shop> yes I have several pc's with Linux Mint OS and I use the Mate desktop in Mint and Debian
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[10:29:30] <Roguish> I have seen a comment from cmorely that he thinks MINT (full distro i think) is far superior to debian.
[10:29:50] <JT-Shop> what do you mean full distro?
[10:30:23] <Roguish> https://www.linuxmint.com
[10:30:53] <JT-Shop> and what do you mean by Mint on debian?
[10:31:23] <Roguish> using the distro from there, as opposed to installing in a debian distro.
[10:31:34] <Roguish> or maybe i'm all confused.....
[10:31:48] <JT-Shop> I'm not following how you can install one distro into another?
[10:32:13] <JT-Shop> maybe your confusing the desktop Mate with the OS Mint
[10:32:28] <Roguish> that may be.
[10:33:13] <Roguish> how's installing linuxcnc on the MINT distro?
[10:34:14] <JT-Shop> it's not too bad you can get the rtpreempt kernel from the synaptic package manager IIRC
[10:34:35] * JT-Shop wanders to the other shop see you there
[10:34:51] <Roguish> yeah. thanks. i gotta run too. bbl
[10:44:42] <veek> what are cylindrical grinding wheels used for http://www.cgwheels.com
[10:45:12] <veek> oh hmm cylindrical grinder
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[12:25:49] <IchGucksLive> hi all
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[12:34:51] <miss0r|office> hello ich
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[12:36:47] <fragalot> Hey
[12:39:29] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
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[12:58:26] <gloops> try this in oak now https://ibb.co
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[13:01:20] <gloops> Josh Denny shared his first post.
[13:01:20] <gloops> New Member · 5 hrs
[13:01:21] <gloops> Is there anyone on here that would know anything about licuxcnc i have a old bridgeport cnc thats been retrofitted it has the original stepper motors a pmdx 126 pmdx 134 and g203v drivers and it is running licuxcnc but i never messed with linux before and this is my frist cnc and im trying to get it working im not sure how to configure it in linuxcnc i tryed everything i can find on the internet and still cant get the steppers to
[13:01:21] <gloops> move at all
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[13:05:36] <IchGucksLive> gloops, alot of lines for the background
[13:07:14] <IchGucksLive> gloops, he needs to unplug the ENA and its ground on the driver so first asll drivers are on
[13:07:31] <gloops> yeah have been experimenting, bigger ballnose looks more like hand carved
[13:07:46] <gloops> it does look good from a distance though
[13:07:53] <IchGucksLive> gloops, then depending on new BOB or old one change invert
[13:08:29] <IchGucksLive> gloops, better to shape the letter last
[13:08:36] <IchGucksLive> contouring
[13:08:45] <gloops> i told him to come here, think there is a charge pump
[13:09:33] <IchGucksLive> a 100 euro retrofit woudt give him more options but it is ok
[13:10:02] <gloops> Josh Denny The berakout board is pmdx 126 and it has a ribbon cable going to a pmdx 134 that is acrossed all the g203v drivers
[13:10:25] <gloops> sounds complicated
[13:11:50] <IchGucksLive> there are 4 REV
[13:12:17] <IchGucksLive> E-Stop circuitry
[13:13:07] <IchGucksLive> it has its own M driver
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[13:13:25] <IchGucksLive> gloops, 180USD
[13:14:25] <gloops> so the E-stop probably causing the problem?
[13:15:06] <IchGucksLive> lots of hints there as smooth stepper optimated 2parport from one
[13:15:23] <IchGucksLive> its a serial to parport bob
[13:15:43] <IchGucksLive> great chalenge
[13:16:14] <IchGucksLive> gloops, what has been his effort to change as he choosen M in forst place
[13:16:21] <IchGucksLive> first
[13:16:44] <gloops> he has no idea i dont think, he said he saw it all working when he bought it - not working now hes moved it
[13:16:54] <gloops> DIY CNC machines, on facebook
[13:16:58] <IchGucksLive> gloops, i getting crazy on some numbers as i only use low cost
[13:17:01] * fragalot whispers "ground wire"
[13:17:48] <gloops> fragalot another obvious one, but its the first time hes even opened linuxcnc - could be any number of easy ones
[13:18:14] <fragalot> do you think he's clicked the ESTOP & ENABLE buttons in axis,
[13:18:26] <gloops> says he has
[13:18:32] <fragalot> homed?
[13:18:35] <gloops> hes run stepconfig loads of times
[13:18:51] <fragalot> ah so he's messed up the pinout most likely :P
[13:19:04] <gloops> dont know if hes homed, older version of linuxcnc wont need to be homed i dont think
[13:19:16] <IchGucksLive> gloops, a low calculation on China5ABob 5Euros + 3xDM556 80Euros + PSU 500W 48V 45Euros and 3x NEMA24 4Nm 75 euro woudt come 10 euros more at mutch more speed
[13:19:26] <gloops> ahh well, he should come here and he would get it working
[13:20:03] <IchGucksLive> gloops, always 7pm Berlin time is German time ;-)
[13:20:43] <IchGucksLive> gloops, i confust the austrian this morning on calculations and low cost Australien parts
[13:20:50] <IchGucksLive> so im done for today
[13:21:05] <IchGucksLive> PARTY time its 28deg outside
[13:21:10] <fragalot> have fun IchGucksLive
[13:21:20] <gloops> yes have a nice evening
[13:21:20] <IchGucksLive> .wather pirmasens
[13:21:31] <IchGucksLive> .weather Pirmasens
[13:21:37] <gloops> no beer for me until this heat is gone, i cant stand it
[13:21:41] <IchGucksLive> cokerei not online
[13:21:50] <fragalot> gloops: that's OK, you don't have beer in the UK anyway
[13:22:03] <IchGucksLive> sausiches and tost
[13:22:30] <gloops> fragalot wetherspoon has banned EU beer - better beer from australia and cheaper
[13:22:30] <IchGucksLive> and ofcause baked beans on tomato souce
[13:22:54] <IchGucksLive> CO2 friendly ofcause
[13:23:33] <IchGucksLive> gloops, ask him for the REV of the 126
[13:23:34] <gloops> you cant beat tea - and water
[13:23:40] <IchGucksLive> milk
[13:24:04] <IchGucksLive> Gn8 watch some stars tonight jupiter is quite nice up
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[13:24:23] <gloops> good idea, could get some milky way photos
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[13:33:45] <Roguish> hey all. is the forum up? or down?
[13:35:29] <pcw_mesa> Works for me
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[13:39:49] <Roguish> pcw_mesa: not here. tried both firefox and chrome.
[13:42:59] <jthornton> works down in the beer cave
[13:45:05] <fragalot> Roguish: try www.isup.me
[13:45:34] <Roguish> that's a no go also.
[13:45:58] <fragalot> odd.
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[13:52:17] <_methods> comcast is apparently having some major outage that is affecting a lot of people
[13:52:31] <_methods> oh nm he left
[13:56:20] <fragalot> maybe he hasn't paid for his linuxcnc forum subscription license
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[14:06:43] <Roguish> fragalot: back up now. messed around with router dns settings. forum is good to go for me now.
[14:07:01] <Roguish> could you repeat that other link you put up?
[14:08:43] <fragalot> isup.me
[14:09:50] <Roguish> www.isup.me errors not found
[14:10:07] <Roguish> server not found.
[14:15:04] <gloops> what router do you have Roguish?
[14:16:08] <Roguish> asus rt-ac56
[14:16:28] <Roguish> change the dns to 1.1.1.1
[14:16:31] <gloops> oh ..router...lol
[14:16:59] <fragalot> Roguish: it's because you didn't pay the forum subscription license with your ISP
[14:17:26] <Roguish> ?????????????
[14:17:51] <Tom_L> nuthin's free anymore !
[14:18:17] <Roguish> not with our jackass president and congress
[14:18:49] <Roguish> that would be invertabrate and immasculate congress
[14:19:00] <fragalot> Roguish: net neutrality gone == "lol pay for this"
[14:19:10] <Roguish> (nutless and spineless)
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[14:23:25] <gloops> economy doing well
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[14:52:58] <lcvette> log
[14:52:58] <c-log> lcvette: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[14:56:10] <gloops> started cutting yet lcvette?
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[14:59:54] <lcvette> nope
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[15:01:08] <gloops> seems to be taking a long time to get up and running
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[15:08:53] <lcvette> gloops: one thing at a time
[15:09:01] <lcvette> https://imgur.com
[15:11:22] <gloops> that would buy a decent car lcvette
[15:11:42] <gregcnc> did you change your instagram name?
[15:12:03] <lcvette> small shop concepts
[15:12:17] <gregcnc> ah figured, but didn't try
[15:12:19] <lcvette> making everything the same
[15:12:25] <lcvette> youtube and instagram
[15:12:56] <JT-Shop> I guess I should go paint the bathroom ceiling...
[15:13:07] <gloops> so what're gonna be making lcvette?
[15:14:31] <lcvette> i have a small business
[15:14:44] <lcvette> i do mainly prototype work inhouse
[15:14:54] <gregcnc> fun stuff
[15:15:13] <lcvette> some light prodution for early beta product
[15:15:31] <lcvette> but then outsource heavy runs
[15:16:18] <lcvette> i just needed a bigger envelope and i wanted to add some rigidity and 4th and 5th axis eventually
[15:18:12] <lcvette> I have far more in TTS holders and tooling than BT30
[15:18:18] <lcvette> https://imgur.com
[15:19:51] <lcvette> think at last count something like 143 tts holders
[15:20:03] <gregcnc> dang
[15:20:10] <lcvette> accumulated over 10 years
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[15:21:41] <gloops> must be paying well then
[15:22:17] <lcvette> i pay very well
[15:22:18] <lcvette> lol
[15:22:32] <lcvette> ask all my vendors
[15:22:36] <lcvette> hahaha
[15:23:03] <lcvette> i generally buy the chinese tts holders in large lumps
[15:23:05] <gloops> come clean lcvette, youre making some right cash here
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[15:23:23] <gregcnc> isn't that the point?
[15:23:28] <lcvette> 20-30 a whack to save money
[15:23:31] <gloops> yes
[15:23:33] <fragalot> man shiny's lcvette
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[15:23:51] <gloops> everything is spotlessly clean
[15:23:56] <lcvette> at that qty i was getting them at the time for $8-9/holder
[15:23:58] <gloops> thats a sign of well paid work
[15:24:11] <gregcnc> or OCD
[15:24:27] <gloops> or that yes
[15:24:50] <gloops> everyone else just brushes the rubbish to one side and throws the next job on
[15:25:16] <fragalot> or having to buy your own tools
[15:25:25] <fragalot> and wanthing things to last a while
[15:25:46] <gregcnc> if there are walls of Lista cabinets filled with carbide and mitutoyo.....
[15:25:46] <lcvette> fragalot: knows whats up
[15:26:41] <lcvette> cared for products take care of you
[15:26:47] <fragalot> :-)
[15:26:52] <gregcnc> yeah don't drop the mics
[15:26:59] <fragalot> but if you do
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[15:27:08] <fragalot> please.. just tell who'mever is responsible for 'm
[15:27:08] <lcvette> carbide is expensive
[15:27:15] <lcvette> have nice tool storage
[15:27:17] <gloops> that might have applied in the old days
[15:27:33] <lcvette> don't drop them
[15:27:34] <gloops> when a workman bought a tool it had to last many years
[15:27:43] <lcvette> same here
[15:27:49] <lcvette> many of my endmills are years old
[15:27:53] <gloops> these days nobody cares, do the job, throw the tool away
[15:28:04] <fragalot> I wouldn't care if one of my employees dropped a mic, as long as they let me know so I can check and/or replace it if needed
[15:28:09] <gregcnc> who throws mics away?
[15:28:16] <lcvette> keep my coolant filtered and clean
[15:28:22] <gloops> ive seen people sweeping good tools up without even bothering to pick them up
[15:28:29] <fragalot> but shuffling it back into it's box hoping nobody would notice would not be acceptable
[15:28:33] <lcvette> don't mix materials and endmills
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[15:29:24] <fragalot> lcvette: another pet peeve :P first doing cast & then using that same endmill for 316L
[15:29:27] <lcvette> every tool has a place every tool in its place
[15:29:35] <CaptHindsight> went to HF to get gloves the other day and noticed they now have AC TIG welders
[15:29:55] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: HV or lift?
[15:30:04] <gloops> i could do with a cheap one of those
[15:30:07] <lcvette> little things make differences
[15:30:27] <fragalot> lcvette: doing cast or steel first & then machining 316L isn't a small difference :/
[15:30:34] <CaptHindsight> https://www.harborfreight.com
[15:30:36] <fragalot> damn thing corrodes if you look at it funny
[15:30:59] <lcvette> if i do cast the machine gets a full cleaning out
[15:31:04] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: didn't look at the features, just noticed how low the duty cycles were
[15:31:08] <lcvette> that crap is nasty
[15:31:09] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: haha
[15:31:45] <CaptHindsight> they might be a deal for sheet metal
[15:31:48] <gregcnc> I'm going to try to rig a vaccum to an extra M code for cast in the lathe
[15:34:13] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[15:34:15] <CaptHindsight> a tool in time saves 9?
[15:34:23] <gloops> £400
[15:34:25] <CaptHindsight> not it
[15:34:52] <CaptHindsight> gloops: we don't have those here
[15:34:54] <gregcnc> I was at Adams and looked at the blue welders
[15:35:00] <CaptHindsight> £
[15:35:21] <fragalot> gloops: 170A, and the fact they don't mention the duty-cycle of it does nto ring confidence
[15:35:35] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: have you been to the newish place on main near the tracks?
[15:35:40] <gloops> 170a fine for ally
[15:35:47] <fragalot> gloops: not if the DC is only 1°%
[15:35:50] <fragalot> 10°
[15:36:04] <gregcnc> no. I get material at Adams
[15:36:17] <CaptHindsight> ah
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[15:36:51] <gregcnc> they are also blue
[15:36:54] <CaptHindsight> Welders Supply, you have to know what you want since they push all the 2x the price rods and wire
[15:37:57] <CaptHindsight> I said " hey this is 2x what I usually pay" and they said "oh we have other brands in back"
[15:38:07] <gregcnc> hah
[15:38:45] <fragalot> gloops: I reckon you should buy one & see if it's any good.. perhaps i'll upgrade my decades old contimac
[15:38:57] <fragalot> getting tired of lift TIG :P
[15:39:24] <gregcnc> if i can convince myself I have the need I think I like the Diversion 180.
[15:39:35] <gloops> i probably wont be buying one anytime soon, too many other things to get done first
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[15:39:53] <gregcnc> oh that rebate expires tomorrow
[15:41:26] <fragalot> https://www.stahlwerk-schweissgeraete.de
[15:41:35] <fragalot> wouldn't mind trying that toy
[15:42:00] <fragalot> nice having many-a-knobs rather than the 15 levels deep menu structure the lastek one I used to run had
[15:44:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[15:44:59] <CaptHindsight> I got one of these a couple years ago. All the parts are on ebay
[15:45:18] <lcvette> can i mix metric and inch in the tool table?
[15:45:30] <fragalot> lcvette: even if you could,.. ew. :P
[15:46:34] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: that looks similar
[15:46:49] <CaptHindsight> same settings available, just about everything
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[15:47:17] <fragalot> aye
[15:47:33] <CaptHindsight> 20A 208VAC was not enough for stick welding at 100%
[15:47:49] <lcvette> so is that a no?
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[15:48:21] <CaptHindsight> night have been that it was 208V vs 240V
[15:48:38] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: good job I run 20A 240V on standard sockets & could do 3x25A 240V in my shed then
[15:48:42] <gregcnc> i don't think so, why would mixing be necessary?
[15:48:45] <CaptHindsight> was stick welding 1/4"
[15:49:12] <fragalot> can do up to 60A if I wanted to too.. just need to replace a cable
[15:49:13] <fragalot> :P
[15:49:42] <CaptHindsight> all I have now is 200A 208VAC 3ph
[15:50:01] <fragalot> can't get 200A on a normal home connection here
[15:50:08] <fragalot> they only give you up to 60A
[15:50:15] <CaptHindsight> move into a factory :)
[15:50:19] <fragalot> :D
[15:50:33] <lcvette> im just a little confused at the moment is all. since i converted my config to inches, all is well
[15:50:36] <fragalot> friend of mine had to shell out €15k to get his shop's connection replaced
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[15:51:00] <CaptHindsight> man it hot oday, losing my t's and s's
[15:51:03] <lcvette> but my tool table was filled with metric tools (not by me) not sure but i think maybe as a example?
[15:51:07] <fragalot> (came from the previous owners' house, 60A 400V,.. his new connection had to come in from a different road that had no 400V runs....)
[15:51:39] <lcvette> just trying to decipher how this all works in here
[15:51:47] <CaptHindsight> yeah the power co's really charge for extra equipment
[15:51:58] <lcvette> there is no mm or in
[15:52:01] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: belgium is being belgium again btw
[15:52:13] <fragalot> they're starting to roll out "smart meters" rather than the standard mechanical ones for power
[15:52:15] <CaptHindsight> it's about the same here for a transformer and a 3p drop to residential
[15:52:19] <lcvette> so im guessing that since i changed everything in the ini to inches that the tool table values are in inches?
[15:52:22] <CaptHindsight> if they even offer
[15:52:26] <fragalot> which will use LoRa, which has been rolled out by Orange here for years
[15:52:40] <fragalot> naturally, the infrastructure companies are setting up their own too now for nearly a year
[15:52:48] <lcvette> T1 P1 D4.500000 Z-69.555700 ;4.5 mm 3 flute cutter
[15:52:51] <lcvette> as an example
[15:53:02] <fragalot> so they signed a contract with proximus, a government subsidiary, to use their network
[15:53:06] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: as long as you keep shipping ales I don't mind
[15:53:07] <fragalot> which isn't set up at all yet
[15:53:20] <fragalot> :D
[15:53:42] <fragalot> lcvette: I would assume so, but I could be wrong.
[15:53:51] <lcvette> thats my concern
[15:54:05] <lcvette> pretty important to know that for certain
[15:54:08] <fragalot> write a small gcode script to try?
[15:54:14] <gregcnc> "The units used for the length, diameter, etc., are in machine units."
[15:54:25] <lcvette> ok
[15:54:36] <lcvette> thats what I hoped
[15:54:36] <CaptHindsight> AC is blasting in the shop and it's 82F
[15:54:55] <fragalot> same here
[15:54:56] <CaptHindsight> 28C
[15:55:08] <fragalot> open plan house --> little portable aircon unit = useless because i'm at the other end of the house
[15:57:06] <gloops> liking the box https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net
[15:57:22] <fragalot> bad URL
[15:57:24] <fragalot> apparently
[15:57:28] <gloops> https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net
[15:57:45] <fragalot> lot of work, not my thing
[15:58:09] <fragalot> but it DOES keep people from stacking things on top, I guess :-)
[15:58:35] <gloops> six sides to set up, unless rotary, tis a lot of messing
[15:58:55] <gloops> also the texture on each plane needs to run into the adjacent ones
[15:59:12] <gloops> hand carved
[16:00:25] <CaptHindsight> so precision is not an issue
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[16:00:51] <fragalot> or at least hand sanded
[16:00:52] <gloops> well, im guessing its hand done
[16:00:57] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: it's art. :-) so no.
[16:01:08] <gloops> so long as the lid shuts
[16:01:08] <CaptHindsight> cnc made to look hand carved is usually easy, just keep it sloppy
[16:01:28] <CaptHindsight> I can't count how mnay time I've had this discussion with "art galleries"
[16:01:42] <gregcnc> designing sloppy CAD is harder than it sounds
[16:02:02] <fragalot> gregcnc: run the STL through a wobbler
[16:02:22] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: you just use machines made by lots of people that come through here :)
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[16:02:40] <gloops> that box would be ok about 3ft accross
[16:02:49] <fragalot> hehe
[16:02:52] <gloops> otherwise its just clutter
[16:02:55] <CaptHindsight> natural play and variances that add to the look and feel of the craftsmanship
[16:03:26] <gloops> very difficult to machine hand made
[16:03:44] <CaptHindsight> yah think until yah try
[16:04:03] <CaptHindsight> oh well enough fun for today
[16:04:09] <CaptHindsight> back to humidity
[16:04:50] <gloops> what temp CaptHindsight?
[16:05:24] <CaptHindsight> ~130% humidity in the shade
[16:05:38] <fragalot> lol
[16:05:47] <gregcnc> so much rain last week
[16:05:50] <CaptHindsight> 95F/ 35C
[16:05:55] <fragalot> gregcnc: give us some please
[16:06:10] <gregcnc> my sump pump is finally calming down today
[16:06:20] <fragalot> drought measures are being put in place here
[16:06:27] <gloops> tea and cucumber sandwiches
[16:06:51] <fragalot> replace tea with cold water with a slice of lemon in it
[16:06:54] <gloops> british solution to heat/humidity
[16:07:10] <gloops> from India
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[16:17:34] <gloops> well, i saw some americans, on Louis Theroux, some southern state
[16:17:49] <XXCoder> omg
[16:17:55] <XXCoder> we americans are so rare
[16:18:29] <gloops> they were sat round a fire - on the fire was a bucket of boiling fat, these yanks all had a massive steak on a long fork dangling in the fat
[16:18:43] <XXCoder> wow. rarer breed of americans
[16:19:30] <gloops> it seems to be the culture to eat and drink everything thats hard on the body
[16:19:37] <lcvette> you guys with tapered tool holders, do any of you measure tooling offline?
[16:20:00] <XXCoder> lcvette: you mean CAT type, like cat 40, cat 50?
[16:20:05] <lcvette> yeah
[16:20:11] <XXCoder> well theres few ways to do it
[16:20:15] <cradek> I did for a bit, but it was a pain
[16:20:54] <XXCoder> at work we have thick steel stand for cat with smooth bottom and coned hole on top
[16:20:57] <lcvette> with the TTS ive done both way
[16:21:33] <XXCoder> it serves as common reference point, we measure tool length there, and we use special "tool" thats just long taper then gauge rod at end
[16:21:41] <XXCoder> its measured and used as z finder
[16:21:56] <XXCoder> say if special one is 6.35"
[16:22:24] <lcvette> gotcha
[16:22:25] <XXCoder> its touching z top (gauge cant slide) so you subtract 6.35" and gauge thickness
[16:22:34] <lcvette> it sets the reference height
[16:22:50] <XXCoder> tool lengths you simply input directly (from top of cat holder to top)
[16:23:35] <XXCoder> so it serves as common reference point
[16:24:03] <XXCoder> older method (slowly phased away) is this, common reference point is top of 123 block on machine table
[16:24:24] <XXCoder> tool is simply lowered till block cant be slided under it
[16:24:51] <XXCoder> and use dial test indictor to zero on that, then find part coord from that
[16:25:00] <XXCoder> its bit annoying
[16:25:17] <lcvette> right
[16:26:00] <XXCoder> so its your preference really
[16:26:23] <XXCoder> my home machine its set each time tool change because its simply er11 no toolholder
[16:26:24] <lcvette> i need to find a BT30 ground cone and then have the face ground to match my spindle face i think
[16:26:45] <lcvette> put it in granite surface plate leveled
[16:26:59] <lcvette> then i can do it quick and easy
[16:27:33] <lcvette> plop em in measure with dial indicator record on to next tool
[16:27:42] <XXCoder> inside machine method doesnt require such prep, 123 is already precise enough, but yeah its also annoying lol
[16:28:04] <gregcnc> no z guage?
[16:28:28] <lcvette> what i have is mach3 stuff
[16:28:31] <fragalot> lcvette: doesn't have to match the spindle face if you assume the ground BT30 is your master for everything
[16:28:32] <lcvette> ground triggered
[16:28:59] <fragalot> heck it could be as simple as a BT30 weldon holder with the face ground
[16:29:35] <XXCoder> we use special holder because 123 blocks simply isnt long enough to hold cat40 lol
[16:29:44] <gregcnc> the values don't have to be real values as long as everyone uses the same refernce
[16:29:56] <XXCoder> the smaller machine (robodrill) uses cat30 so we can use 123 blocks as stand for tools
[16:29:56] <fragalot> XXCoder: 246 blocks to the rescue!
[16:30:06] <XXCoder> we dont have many of that lol
[16:30:27] <XXCoder> I want one at home, not for shop but for cool display. but its so expensive
[16:31:13] <fragalot> grind a chinese one in yourself, make it a perfect 1.990 3.990 5.990 block
[16:31:13] <XXCoder> couple oddballs at work also, like 228
[16:32:03] <XXCoder> for home display I wouldnt care about precision, but then it would rust and too expensive just for display lol
[16:32:25] <fragalot> that's why you store it in a VCI cabinet, or fill the cabinet with argon :P
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[16:32:40] <XXCoder> lol
[16:32:58] <XXCoder> eobodrill also have weird setup I hate :(
[16:33:01] <gregcnc> http://www.shars.com
[16:33:21] <fragalot> yea.. you can't find cheap blocks like that in europe
[16:33:26] <fragalot> and finding metric ones is even harder
[16:33:35] <XXCoder> it uses this weird cat30 dial thingy and gonna set heigh gauge to zero on that, then use it to measure tools
[16:33:38] <XXCoder> yayy :(
[16:34:29] <lcvette> https://imgur.com
[16:34:35] <lcvette> close enough
[16:34:40] <XXCoder> https://www.shop.santool.de similia to this
[16:34:44] <lcvette> +/-.05"
[16:34:47] <lcvette> lol
[16:34:48] <XXCoder> only older and not digital
[16:34:56] <fragalot> is that an I-beam? XD
[16:35:33] <XXCoder> lol looks kinda like one at work, one we got from utah shop that closed down. we have better equipment so we dont use it
[16:35:38] <fragalot> XXCoder: I actually prefer the electronic 'yes/no' probes
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[16:36:06] <XXCoder> that would be nice. but that thing is what we use for robos. ugh
[16:36:15] <XXCoder> I almost wish someone would drop and break it
[16:36:39] <XXCoder> its actually more annoyoing than slide 123 under tool measuring type
[16:36:43] <gregcnc> thsoe things are all the rage on instagram
[16:37:11] <fragalot> https://www.shop.santool.de <= I like this type,.. but less janky.
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[16:40:36] <XXCoder> not too expensive. light?
[16:40:39] <XXCoder> or does it beep
[16:41:02] <XXCoder> how is its precision and repeatability
[16:41:36] <fragalot> don't know about that one, mine is at least repeatable down to .01
[16:41:48] <XXCoder> mm?
[16:41:51] <fragalot> haven't checked more accurately than that as that's the jog increment I try it on :P
[16:41:54] <fragalot> yes
[16:42:09] <fragalot> I always run it up against the workpiece until it beeps & flashes, then back off until it just stops
[16:42:12] <XXCoder> ok bec .01" would be bad lol
[16:42:22] <fragalot> jogging back & forth 0.01mm makes it start & stop beeping
[16:42:48] <fragalot> I'm sure finer would work too, but who cares about 4 tenths? :P
[16:42:59] <fragalot> (tenths being inches again because why not)
[16:43:12] <XXCoder> .00039" not too shabby
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[16:43:52] <fragalot> it's just nice that it's so black&white
[16:43:57] <fragalot> either it's touching, or it isn't
[16:48:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:51:41] <gloops> 0 of 6 german submarines is operational
[16:51:55] <gloops> entire military in dire state apparently
[16:51:58] <fragalot> that's what they want you to believe
[16:52:02] <fragalot> :P
[16:52:11] <XXCoder> subs all way down
[16:52:25] <XXCoder> entire germany is a sub
[16:52:38] <andypugh> I wasn’t sure they were allowed a military?
[16:52:46] <gloops> 5 / 13 frigates, Tornado jets: 26 of 93; CH-53 helicopters: 16 of 72
[16:52:48] <fragalot> the entire country of the netherlands is under water
[16:52:50] <fragalot> technically
[16:53:02] <andypugh> Not all of it.
[16:53:08] <andypugh> Not even half, I don’t think.
[16:53:10] <fragalot> all of it that matters :P
[16:53:16] <gloops> andypugh i think theyre allowed a small home guard type of military
[16:53:49] <fragalot> I don't think the ban on germany having a military or not is still in effect is it?
[16:54:06] <gloops> officially, i dont know
[16:54:07] <XXCoder> dont think so, been while. but then dunno
[16:54:24] <lcvette> how about this?
[16:54:27] <lcvette> https://imgur.com
[16:55:08] <andypugh> Needs more 123 blocks
[16:55:11] <gloops> they are nato members though
[16:55:18] <lcvette> bt30 just sneaks inside the length of the 123 block height
[16:55:30] <XXCoder> and bigger and leveled rock
[16:55:40] <fragalot> lcvette: is that a floor tile? :P
[16:56:09] <gloops> told fragalot - lump of old worktop or fireplace, cant go wrong
[16:56:10] <XXCoder> you can get 300 to 400mm or so rock for just over 100 usd
[16:56:17] <andypugh> lcvette: It would be better to machine a 7/24 taper socket. I don’t _think_ that the face you are measuring from is a reference face
[16:56:18] <lcvette> thats actually a very very precision granite surface plate
[16:56:21] <XXCoder> time to vbe off later
[16:56:36] <fragalot> gloops: you can, they are not even close to being guaranteed flat.
[16:56:51] <fragalot> lcvette: tiny. love it :-)
[16:56:52] <lcvette> its just small
[16:57:47] <lcvette> i know its not
[16:57:54] <lcvette> a reference face
[16:58:12] <lcvette> good point
[16:58:19] <lcvette> should have considered that
[16:59:00] <andypugh> Do you have a lathe?
[16:59:06] <lcvette> not a working one
[16:59:17] <lcvette> thats a project waiting on the big mill to get finished
[17:00:53] <fragalot> there are BT30 holders where that IS a reference surface
[17:01:04] <fragalot> but unless you bought ones that specifically state that it is ... it's not.
[17:01:31] <andypugh> It is probably close enough for practical purposes.
[17:01:54] <lcvette> lol.. these things were made in china
[17:02:08] <lcvette> could be off by a mm
[17:02:40] <lcvette> but they sure are shiny
[17:02:42] <lcvette> lol
[17:03:31] <andypugh> I built a measuring fixture right in to the end of my mill bed: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[17:03:43] <andypugh> But that was mainly because I wanted to try my hand at taper-boring
[17:04:01] <lcvette> i tried searching to see if i could find a sleeve for a bt30 to use in a hole in a granite surface plate
[17:04:05] <lcvette> nt much lucks
[17:04:16] <fragalot> hehe. mill an approximate taper in your mill bed & press in the taper using the spindle & a reversed bt30 holder
[17:04:48] <fragalot> alternatively, lap it in (which will work well because the holder is harder than the table so the grit will bed itself into the bed nicely)
[17:05:09] <fragalot> lcvette: should you find one, please let me know? I'm looking for something for mine too.
[17:05:17] <andypugh> lcvette: Can you reverse the pointer on the height gauge? You could put the tools in the spindle and measure up from the bed.
[17:05:53] <fragalot> andypugh: might as well touch off onto a tool height gauge then
[17:06:42] <lcvette> andypugh: good idea
[17:06:44] <fragalot> rules out a variable - the height gauge
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[17:07:03] <fragalot> otherwise you're stacking machine coords + height gauge offset
[17:07:11] <lcvette> that would at least let me check a few to see if the surface changes from holder to holder
[17:07:17] <lcvette> and get a distance for it
[17:07:24] <gregcnc> https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk
[17:07:36] <lcvette> if it doesn't i can use my existing method with a excel table and a formula
[17:08:06] <lcvette> gregcnc: duh
[17:08:16] <Deejay> gn8
[17:08:17] <lcvette> good thinking
[17:08:31] <andypugh> lcvette: Where are you? I have a BT30 adaptor that screws on to the spindle of a lathe I no-longer have.
[17:08:35] <lcvette> i have the flu and am on heavy medication
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[17:08:49] <lcvette> USA
[17:08:55] <tjb1> Anyone use SheetCAM?
[17:08:58] <fragalot> lcvette: if you're measuring in the machine anyway, why not go this route? https://www.shop.santool.de
[17:09:14] <andypugh> That BT40 adaptor looks expensive when you just need a bit of metal with a taper in it.
[17:09:29] <andypugh> tjb1: Lots of people use Sheetcam.
[17:09:35] <tjb1> Here?
[17:09:49] <fragalot> andypugh: £30 isn't that bad, actually
[17:09:57] * fragalot is tempted to order it for this exact purpose
[17:11:08] <andypugh> fragalot: I read it as £60. I must be losing it
[17:11:21] <lcvette> out of stock
[17:11:34] <fragalot> lcvette: Other vendors are available :P
[17:11:52] <lcvette> i know searching for some stateside
[17:12:00] <lcvette> BT not gonna make that easy
[17:12:16] <fragalot> any 30 taper should work
[17:12:29] <lcvette> i have ordered a z height setter
[17:12:41] <lcvette> but i also like to be able to measure offline
[17:12:45] <fragalot> the BT part only applies to the drawbar thread
[17:13:14] <lcvette> do they even have cat30?
[17:13:19] <andypugh> Yes, all the tapers are the same. ISO, INT, CAT, BT. In fact my spindle is 30INT modified for a BT30 pull-stud and then again for SK30 tooling.
[17:13:19] <lcvette> never heard of it
[17:13:28] <fragalot> i've got a healthy mix of BT30, MT30, CAT30, and some DIN2080
[17:13:44] <fragalot> and only 2 drawbars
[17:16:43] <gregcnc> these are probably a fortune https://www.tacrockford.com
[17:18:05] <fragalot> lcvette: you could always get a speroni
[17:18:07] <fragalot> :P
[17:18:26] <fragalot> comes with a nice built-in taper holder
[17:19:17] <lcvette> http://www.wttool.com
[17:20:09] <fragalot> for changing NT to R8 or morse.. size: 40 male, 30 female.
[17:20:10] <fragalot> confusing
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[17:22:14] <lcvette> http://www.wttool.com
[17:22:29] <lcvette> has several taper adapters to choose from
[17:23:16] <Tom_L> what? you don't have all valenite holders????
[17:24:30] <fragalot> velour.
[17:26:37] <lcvette> you guys use electronic tool setters?
[17:26:47] <Tom_L> my bud had one
[17:27:01] <Tom_L> 2"
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[17:38:18] <veek> what's a good book for the newbie to learn about lathes and spindles and stuff in general
[17:39:53] <veek> has a lot of cool stuff - anything similar: Machine Tool Technology Basics By Arthur Gill, Stephen F. Krar
[17:43:17] <gloops> https://www.amazon.co.uk
[17:45:30] <veek> hey gloops ty
[17:47:03] <gloops> are there many used lathes in your area veek? might seem a funny question but some areas seem to be awash with old machines, industrial areas, other places theyre very scarce
[17:47:53] <gloops> just thinking if you could pick up an old lathe - good to have something to play with, put the theory into practice
[17:48:08] <gloops> at no great cost
[17:48:17] <veek> gloops, lemme google
[17:48:33] <veek> you mean a benchtop lathe or a proper one
[17:49:10] <gloops> well, anything really, dont imagine youd want a massive thing
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[17:51:08] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[17:51:46] <gloops> i know in some parts of america that kind of stuff is virtually non-existant
[17:53:04] <veek> umm i'm not a a yank http://www.industrybuying.com
[17:54:39] <gloops> yes, thats pretty large lol
[17:54:39] <veek> at least it's in the realm of affordability
[17:55:07] <veek> i've seen bench top lathes selling here but i can't find any atm
[17:55:18] <veek> similar to TAIG
[17:56:24] <gloops> where are you?
[17:57:28] <veek> i live in india (indian)
[17:57:47] <gloops> oh excellent
[17:58:01] <SpeedEvil> Shrink rays would make buying machinery so much easier.
[17:58:15] <veek> heh
[17:58:28] <veek> but shipping costs are not that high
[17:59:06] <veek> it's the traders and lack of an auction
[17:59:12] <SpeedEvil> veek: Depends how accessible your place is, and if the seller has it on a loading dock somewhere.
[17:59:53] <veek> ah yeah
[18:01:46] <veek> minilathes they are called http://www.amitengineeringindia.com
[18:02:00] <veek> that's chinese i'm pretty sure
[18:06:13] <gloops> dont think these are very cnc-able https://www.youtube.com
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[18:07:26] <veek> heh nice music
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[18:09:31] <gloops> nice woodwork too
[18:11:46] <veek> yeah - initially when i saw the dovetails i thought he'd made a mistake using the cnc :p
[18:12:08] <veek> but when he fit it together :)
[18:13:58] <gloops> yeah, different colour wood to set them off, shame to hide good dovetails
[18:14:12] <gloops> they did hide them though on the most expensive work
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[18:25:45] <veek> gloops, example?
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[18:34:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com I have a few of these by Shars
[18:34:47] <CaptHindsight> nothing special, they work, are mostly square and cheap
[18:35:26] <CaptHindsight> i don't drop them on the floor or drag parts across them...
[18:35:42] <CaptHindsight> but I leave them out and use them to quickly hold things
[18:37:00] <CaptHindsight> anything precision gets held and cut by precision tools, blocks, fixtures and clamps
[18:37:20] <CaptHindsight> clamps/vises
[18:40:35] <DocHopper> Hey guys, it's my last day working at my current shop, so when I'm gone this username will no longer be active. I'll still be active under my personal account, but in the mean time, I figured it was a good time to say thanks for all the patience, help, and wonderful advice.
[18:41:05] <DocHopper> #linuxcnc is easily the best channel there is!
[18:43:41] <CaptHindsight> DocHopper: changing jobs?
[18:44:10] <CaptHindsight> DocHopper: you can change the nick registration
[19:00:14] <DocHopper> CaptHindsight: I'm not attached to it, I've made friends here with this nic, but plenty of enemies in #electronics.
[19:00:37] <DocHopper> I'm just moving on, I hope I'll be able to get enough work independently!
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[19:13:01] <CaptHindsight> DocHopper: don't take it personal in there, lots of autism
[19:13:10] <CaptHindsight> well IRC in general
[19:13:26] <Roguish> DocHopper: good luck. hang in there. stay positive.............
[19:13:31] <CaptHindsight> just far fewer tend to be in here that stay
[19:14:26] <CaptHindsight> DocHopper: avoid the urge to want to go to Vegas to double your earnings
[19:21:10] <jdh> it could work
[19:21:14] <jdh> I say try it.
[19:25:35] <CaptHindsight> jdh: as long as it's not your cash :)
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[19:45:41] <gonzo_> any cambam experts in here this eve? (well, more expert than me, which is not difficult)
[19:46:36] <gonzo_> trying to get it to mill a sloping surface (sloping in Z axis), in an easy way
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[20:11:22] <andypugh> veek: The indians make cheap copies of the Chinese lathes :-)
[20:13:19] <andypugh> gonzo_: I have used CamBam, but so long ago I can’t remeber any way to help you.
[20:13:22] <jdh> with fresh iron from recycled ships
[20:13:29] <veek> hehe
[20:14:26] <andypugh> I am sure that the Indians can make good stuff too, just like the Chinese can. But not when they are competing for the lowest possible price
[20:15:09] <andypugh> I am fairly sure my 8x40 lathe was Indian. It was like a Chinese 8x20 but longer and no thicker.
[20:15:22] <andypugh> Sorry, 8x30
[20:16:18] <andypugh> Highlights included headstock bearings driled deep enough to knock the oilers in, but not deep enough for the holes to reach the bearings.
[20:16:38] <andypugh> Sorry, headstock bearing oiler holes, I meant to say.
[20:17:03] <andypugh> I noticed when I couldn’t get any oil to go in.
[20:17:59] <andypugh> The saddle was scraped so that each side was a reasonable fit to the bed. But not so that they both touched at the same time.
[20:18:04] <veek> i dunno enough to comment :( but i'm glad I can afford some of the tools and i plan to share emm once i get the hang of it.. open up a free hackspace of some sort
[20:19:32] <Tom_L> andypugh, have you any plans to kit more of those STMBL drivers?
[20:19:34] <andypugh> And the saddle keeper strips were adjusted by the screws just not being tightened up. Probably to allow further ajustment as the paint on their bearing surface wore away.
[20:19:49] <Tom_L> and by kit, is that all the pieces necessary to build one?
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[20:22:39] <andypugh> The kit includes all the parts. And no, I am not makine any more as the supply of the IRAMS256 device has dried up (it was new and shiny then the company was bought out, and the new owner discontinued it). Rene is making one more batch of the current design (he probably has all of the world supply, and that’s no more than several dozen). A new version will then be designed to use a new power driver.
[20:23:28] <andypugh> So, talk to rene-dev if you want one of that batch, or wait for the new design.
[20:23:39] <Tom_L> i'm in no big rush
[20:24:46] <Tom_L> where's he located?
[20:25:55] <andypugh> veek: I eventually swapped my 9x20 indo/chinese lathe for a british one made in the 1960s. Consider that both lathes have the same capacity, and compare the tailstocks: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[20:28:03] <andypugh> (A better pic of the tailstock is here, compare the barrel length of it, and the bed depth to the typical Chinese 9x20: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[20:28:10] <Wolf__> I wonder how well these work, tho the voltage is lacking https://odriverobotics.com
[20:28:24] <andypugh> Tom_L: Rene is in Germany
[20:30:18] <veek> andypugh, well to my lay eye.. the grey one looks sleek and clean and nice looking and the white is blobby and dirty
[20:30:54] <andypugh> Wolf__: The STMBL Wiki has a nice summary table of open-hardware drivers: https://github.com
[20:30:54] <veek> but both look workable
[20:32:44] <Wolf__> andypugh: oh nice, and only the STMBL does commercial type BL servo voltages =/
[20:33:12] <veek> andypugh, how did you get the Indian/chinese lathe? shipped it direct or local retailer?
[20:33:31] <andypugh> Wolf__: Yes, but is conversely no good for DC servos or RC brushless
[20:33:53] <andypugh> veek: I got it from Amadeal in the UK
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[20:34:18] <veek> what's the swing..
[20:34:21] <andypugh> And, after the CNC conversion, for all its faults, it made good parts: https://youtu.be
[20:34:54] <andypugh> 9x20 means 9” swing and 20” length
[20:40:00] <veek> andypugh, any idea about this one: http://www.industrybuying.com
[20:41:21] <veek> anyway me buying is still a long way off
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[20:42:19] <veek> it'd be too dangerous me think and i'd just stare at it
[20:42:25] <andypugh> veek: That looks like an exact copy of a 1930s lathe, including the open flat-belt drive. I had no idea that such things were still made
[20:43:04] <andypugh> Am sat here gawping in amazement.
[20:44:20] <veek> and here's something like yours http://www.industrybuying.com
[20:45:35] <veek> wonder how much extra you guys had to pay.. any premium? i'd pay 2,023.73 Pound sterling
[20:45:45] <veek> for the 1930s
[20:46:13] <andypugh> veek: Both those lathes are far bgger than mine.
[20:46:15] <veek> at today's exchange rate and the Rupee has been tanking
[20:46:42] <veek> ah yeah length wise.. swing's the same. 9"
[20:47:17] <veek> oh hmm 9 foot
[20:47:41] <andypugh> No, the second one has a 31 inch swing..
[20:48:51] <andypugh> Those are very big machines. And flat belts aren’t terrible, they worked in the 1930s and still work now.
[20:49:44] <veek> okay - well that's a relief.. at least now i know what's possible
[20:50:14] <andypugh> My fear is that not only are they old-fashioned, but they are badly made.
[20:50:54] <veek> ah yeah.. hmm.. well i'll need to study some and use my head too so.. :p
[20:51:40] <veek> but it would have been fun to have it rumbling away :p
[20:52:09] <andypugh> I own a flat-belt lathe: https://photos.app.goo.gl But that cost $3000 when new. In 1936. A lathe that costs £2000 in 2018 and contains 10x the iron is unlikely to be as well-made..
[20:55:00] <veek> hmm that's true.. especially with commodities at a peak
[20:55:28] <veek> mebbe it's plastic :p
[21:01:36] <Wolf__> hmm, at first glance the odrive look nice, but nothing really supports them yet in the CNC world of things =/
[21:02:17] <andypugh> I think that they are intended for RC planes and possibly e-bikes. Battery-driven applications.
[21:02:56] <Wolf__> I think I’m finally going to break down and build the cnc plasma idea I have had in mind for years now, maybe I’ll look at those clear path servo things
[21:04:51] <andypugh> Wolf__: For a one-off just buy seond-hand servos. eBay is awash with them
[21:05:04] <jdh> https://www.aliexpress.com
[21:05:12] <jdh> sorry.
[21:05:29] <Wolf__> really only reason I’m leaning towards the clear path is they are self contained
[21:05:47] <andypugh> I am not at all sure that’s an advantage
[21:06:00] <Wolf__> was thinking a 500mm x 1500mm mag mounted cnc plasma frame
[21:06:48] <Wolf__> or whatever size the linear rails I have are for the short side
[21:07:24] <andypugh> jdh: Yes, motor and drive at that price has to be worth consideration.
[21:08:23] <andypugh> The STMBL niche is that is stands a very good chance of working with anything you can find on eBay, and you can even run a mixture. (I will have 3 resolvers and one encoder on my mill)
[21:08:37] <Wolf__> nema 32/34 would be overkill for a small light machine I think
[21:09:59] <Wolf__> and I really dont need high accuracy, I need weld/bolt tolerances lol
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[21:17:11] <Wolf__> this is the type of stuff I plan to use it for, center hitch plates for trucks (0.5” steel 34” wide) to cut in holes for receiver hitch or bolt on pintle hitch and 0.75” grommet mounted lights, and the bumper tube/tail light tube holes for the 4” grommet mount lights https://i.imgur.com
[21:19:47] <Wolf__> usually the hitch plate is notched to fit inside the truck frame, but on my truck the body system ended up a few inches past the end of the frame
[21:22:07] <andypugh> Big stuff
[21:22:53] <Wolf__> yeah, I would rather move a “small” cnc frame around a few times vs the 4x8 foot sheet of 0.5” steel
[21:23:20] <Tom_L> ideal for a plasma ehh?
[21:24:14] <Wolf__> yeah, seeing that I do all the plasma cuts with straight edges or free hand right now
[21:25:13] <Wolf__> tried hole saws for the 4” light holes but getting the tubes in the drill press sucks and end up wrecking the hole saws before getting 6 holes in it
[21:25:53] <andypugh> CNC milling is also an option.
[21:25:56] <Tom_L> probably a little big for a hole saw
[21:26:25] <Tom_L> those things don't need the accuracy of a mill but it would do the job for sure
[21:26:47] <veek> is there any sense to buying a 4" grinder with a lot of power (+600W input) aren't 4" used for cleaning and shallow cuts
[21:26:49] <andypugh> I reckon a very expensice hole-saw in a very rigid machine could work
[21:27:04] <Wolf__> mill would be interesting with 8 foot tube on the table lol
[21:27:18] <Tom_L> i used a hole saw on my stepper mount and it did _ok_
[21:27:34] <Tom_L> at the time it was really the only choice i had
[21:28:01] <Wolf__> 4” annular cutter on a mag drill would be great, except the price tag on both parts of that
[21:28:23] <Tom_L> got a bit of wobble on the first one so i used it to help center the final one by clamping it on top of the new piece to help align the cutter
[21:28:59] <Tom_L> like you would sandwich anything to cut
[21:30:56] <Wolf__> bimetal hole saws are great, and a pain in the ass at the same time lol
[21:31:16] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:31:23] <Tom_L> those turned out pretty good i though
[21:31:26] <andypugh> This style, in a rigid drill would probably do hundreds of holes: http://www.rotabroach.co.uk
[21:31:56] <Tom_L> yeah
[21:32:48] <Wolf__> I have a set of those, came with the shop that I bought out
[21:32:58] <Wolf__> have yet to use one tho
[21:33:03] <andypugh> I bought a second-hand mag-drill on eBay for £120. If you don’t have one, you should get one.
[21:33:11] <Wolf__> we have 2
[21:33:24] <Tom_L> i saw your pic of the drill, those look nice
[21:33:35] <Tom_L> not cheap but nice
[21:34:25] <andypugh> Anyway, time to sleep. It’s starting to get light.
[21:34:31] <Wolf__> one low pro one we use for drilling truck frames without needing to pull the wheels off, and one standard one, but getting one that does greater then 100mm drill size…
[21:34:35] <Tom_L> later
[21:34:55] <Tom_L> that happens about 5am here :D
[21:35:49] <andypugh> (In the UK at this time of night we don’t technically have “night” It’s dark but technically it’s twighlight as the sun still makes a bit of the horizon paler
[21:36:24] <Tom_L> that would mess with my sleep habits
[21:36:35] <andypugh> I am not logging off, I have a query on another channel :-)
[21:37:04] <Tom_L> one that should be logged?
[21:37:54] <Tom_L> if it's cnc related or such i'd be happy to
[21:38:43] <andypugh> valgrind. It may be an inactive channel.
[21:39:24] <Wolf__> ugh, I love how my projects work, need to make drive sprockets for something, so I need to build a cnc plasma =D
[21:39:59] <Tom_L> i can log it for a week or three i guess and see
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[21:42:11] <hazzy-lab> Tom_L: What do you use for logging? I set up a logger a few days ago and had trouble finding anything good, so I ended up modifying one to do what I wanted
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[21:42:41] <Tom_L> i use one jt modified based on logbot
[21:42:58] <Tom_L> andypugh, say something over there to initiate the log
[21:43:39] <Tom_L> yeah it started
[21:43:48] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:43:49] <hazzy-lab> Hah, I modified logbot too!
[21:44:25] <hazzy-lab> I wanted the logs to be in dirs by month
[21:44:33] <hazzy-lab> like this
[21:44:35] <hazzy-lab> logs
[21:45:07] <Tom_L> jt did the calendar part
[21:45:13] <Tom_L> and a few other things
[21:45:23] <hazzy-lab> I like the calendar
[21:46:02] <Tom_L> it's handy
[21:46:13] <hazzy-lab> I need to stop mine from logging join/parts ..
[21:46:23] <Tom_L> i did that on mine
[21:46:37] <Tom_L> fills up the file quick
[21:46:53] <Tom_L> i wasn't wild about the multi color either
[21:47:33] <hazzy-lab> I have 500gb to fill :D
[21:47:40] <Tom_L> o
[21:47:42] <Wolf__> hmm https://www.esabna.com thats a interesting design
[21:47:55] <Tom_L> i've got plenty of space but would still rather manage it
[21:48:09] <Tom_L> makes reading easier too
[21:48:27] <hazzy-lab> Yeah, there is no reason to store more than needed
[21:51:16] <Tom_L> i added mine to crontab to start if power was lost and restored
[21:52:42] <hazzy-lab> That is a simple and effective way to do it
[21:52:57] <hazzy-lab> I made mine a daemon, but that is overkill
[21:53:18] <Tom_L> i'm still a linux beginner
[21:54:22] <hazzy-lab> I am too, I just stole somebody else's daemon code
[21:54:40] <Tom_L> that makes you a pro :)
[21:54:58] <hazzy-lab> Actually, I used the same daemon I used for the weather station
[21:55:02] <hazzy-lab> lol
[21:55:42] <hazzy-lab> Wolf__: That looks very interesting. I guess and deflection in the beam is taken care of by the THC
[21:55:52] <hazzy-lab> any deflection*
[21:56:14] <Wolf__> yeah, easy to overthink a cnc plasma it seems lol
[21:57:28] <Wolf__> and I have been thinking for days on how to overcome a square type frame getting out of square without making it weigh a ton
[21:57:35] <hazzy-lab> Over built plasmas are the almost the worst, my friend has one and it is so heavy even with huge servos it can't accelerate fast enough
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[22:02:11] <Wolf__> yeah, thats what I’m trying to stay away from
[22:02:34] <Wolf__> plus right now I dont have the space for a large table based setup
[22:12:04] <roycroft> triangulate it, wolf__?
[22:12:39] <Wolf__> yeah, but then supports make the frame oversized or inside the cutting area
[22:13:12] <roycroft> i don't know what your frame looks like
[22:13:22] <roycroft> but a single brace is all that is needed to make it really solid
[22:13:28] <Wolf__> right now its just a rough idea in my head
[22:13:30] <roycroft> you should be able to inset the brace
[22:14:03] <Wolf__> but, I think the moving arm might be worth looking at seeing i’m still in design stage
[22:14:34] <Wolf__> plus I could store it like a hand truck when not in use
[22:15:02] <roycroft> so festool make some really fancy, expensive tools
[22:15:08] <roycroft> i just bought one of their track saws
[22:15:13] <roycroft> something i could have used for a long time now
[22:15:36] <roycroft> they make these expensive connectors to connect two pieces of the guide rail together
[22:15:42] <roycroft> the guide rails are aluminium
[22:15:45] <roycroft> the connectors are steel
[22:16:03] <roycroft> and they use steel set screws to attch the connectors to the guide rails
[22:16:21] <roycroft> the guide rails are *expensive*
[22:16:24] <roycroft> like
[22:16:25] <Wolf__> nice, do they come apart after the first use?
[22:16:34] <roycroft> an 800mm guide rail is $92
[22:16:44] <roycroft> a 1400mm guide rail is $150
[22:16:55] <roycroft> i haven't attached two rails together yet
[22:17:00] <Wolf__> when I hear festool, all I think of is the tool cases that all look like their vacuum unit
[22:17:04] <roycroft> i just ordered some nylon-tipped set screws
[22:17:24] <roycroft> i don't want to wreck my guide rails the first time i attach them together
[22:17:37] <roycroft> for as much as they charge, one would think they would provide suitable set screws
[22:18:06] <roycroft> the connectors are a single piece of steel square stock with 4 holes tapped to m6-1
[22:18:09] <roycroft> and 4 set screws
[22:18:12] <roycroft> and they cost $20 each
[22:18:16] <roycroft> and two are required
[22:18:31] <roycroft> they really should provide suitable set screws for that kind of money
[22:18:39] <Wolf__> really...
[22:18:50] <roycroft> don't get me wrong
[22:18:55] <roycroft> their tools are outstanding
[22:19:18] <roycroft> they have the best dust collection in the industry, without a close second
[22:19:27] <roycroft> but they cheap out on some things
[22:19:53] <roycroft> i can use my festool sander without wearing a respirator
[22:19:56] <Wolf__> pretty much buying the name on some things probably
[22:20:03] <roycroft> and when i'm done sanding there is no dust i can find anywere
[22:20:34] <roycroft> their track saw is virtually dustless as well, from what i've seen and read
[22:20:45] <roycroft> mine is arriving next week, so i'll know first-hand soon
[22:20:49] <Wolf__> nice
[22:21:20] <roycroft> i've used nylon-tipped set screws in the past on several things
[22:21:33] <roycroft> they seem to be an "industry's best kept secret" thing
[22:21:37] <roycroft> nobody seems to use them
[22:21:49] <roycroft> and they make so much sense in so many applications
[22:22:02] <Wolf__> hmm this cross bar plasma seems to be more common then I thought after some looking
[22:24:15] <Wolf__> a lot of stuff seems to have no regards for little things of that sort, that will prolong the product life in actual use
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[22:32:58] <Tom_L> apparently they make brass & silver solder tipped setscrews too
[22:34:26] <Wolf__> anyone in here running a cnc plasma setup?
[22:34:48] <Tom_L> probably not awake now
[22:35:05] <Tom_L> i know JT has one
[22:36:06] <Wolf__> I wonder if any of these ebay standalone THC are useable
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[22:46:54] <Wolf__> hmm, looks like to save what sanity I have left best bet is just using a mesa setup
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