#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-07-08

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[00:00:14] <RyanS> is this a good price? http://store.gaging.com if any place is good for shipping it would be LA
[00:01:17] <`Wolf> thats pretty cheap
[00:01:24] <norias> depends on what you want to do with it
[00:01:33] <`Wolf> enough to wonder if its really A grade lol
[00:02:02] <norias> sure
[00:02:07] <norias> it just won't be for as long
[00:02:21] <`Wolf> I need to get my plates all checked out
[00:03:45] <`Wolf> need to get my pink on a stand before it breaks the toolbox its sitting on
[00:05:56] <RyanS> well I want to check parts flatness, calibrate depth mics on gauge blocks. use a height gauge. problem with importing is. whos going to check it
[00:06:25] <norias> get it checked
[00:06:56] <norias> although, for that price
[00:07:00] <norias> kinda not worth it
[00:07:20] <norias> i think getting 12x18's reground cost me $60 last time i did it
[00:08:43] <`Wolf> mine is a 24x18x6 starret pink
[00:10:39] <`Wolf> and 2 12x18, plan to use one those for wet lapping
[00:10:51] <RyanS> is B still good enough for checking parts to scrape? or for height gauges?
[00:10:59] <XXCoder> can always send it to certification
[00:11:04] <XXCoder> you would know for sure.
[00:11:13] <XXCoder> B certainly
[00:11:15] <norias> RyanS: B is pretty good
[00:11:25] <XXCoder> well not for say .0001 +- tol something lol
[00:11:26] <norias> unless you are a calibration lab
[00:11:27] <`Wolf> cert and lap, suggested they come to you
[00:11:48] <`Wolf> least for the 18x16 when I called around
[00:12:10] <norias> that makes sense
[00:13:18] <`Wolf> I need a bigger plate for my height gauge lol
[00:13:32] <norias> don't we all
[00:13:58] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[00:14:39] <`Wolf> tossed the starting bid at it… ended up winning it
[00:15:02] <norias> cool
[00:15:19] <`Wolf> didn’t look big in the pics https://i.imgur.com
[00:15:30] <RyanS> wierd height gage
[00:16:12] <`Wolf> its huge, 24” range
[00:16:51] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com 6” mitsu next to it
[00:18:48] <norias> i've been kinda wondering
[00:18:55] <norias> why no one makes benchtop cnc's
[00:19:01] <norias> in a horizontal format
[00:19:12] <`Wolf> I know of one
[00:19:17] <norias> yeah?
[00:19:18] <`Wolf> limited function tho
[00:19:20] <norias> got a link?
[00:19:23] <`Wolf> ghost gunner
[00:19:26] <norias> what's limited about it
[00:19:28] <norias> oh, that
[00:19:31] <norias> eh
[00:19:52] <`Wolf> its horizontal mill, sorta
[00:20:01] <norias> yeah, sorta
[00:20:46] <`Wolf> hmm, mini horizontal machining center might be neat build
[00:20:49] <norias> i guess that kinda counts
[00:20:56] <norias> see, that's what i was thinking
[00:21:18] <`Wolf> avoid all the issues of flexy column
[00:21:22] <norias> right
[00:21:36] <norias> when i started doing the math on building a decent one
[00:21:48] <norias> it'd have to be more of a tormach competitor
[00:21:58] <norias> spindles ain't cheap!
[00:22:08] <`Wolf> use a X1/hitorque head
[00:22:11] <`Wolf> err
[00:22:12] <`Wolf> x2
[00:22:38] <norias> i'll have to look in to that
[00:22:45] <norias> i know almost nothing about hobby machining
[00:22:48] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[00:22:56] <norias> i really just started thinking about this
[00:23:07] <norias> because i have ideas on how to automate / do some lights out stuff
[00:23:08] <`Wolf> r8 spindle w/ no gear train
[00:23:23] <norias> and i realized i could test my ideas on a small benchtop machine
[00:23:28] <`Wolf> little machine shop sells the parts
[00:23:33] <norias> before i go and get something "real"
[00:23:46] <norias> hmm
[00:23:48] <`Wolf> my x2 build is a mix of parts lol
[00:24:05] <norias> i have to decide if ATC is important to my experiment
[00:24:41] <`Wolf> in theory thats a sub system
[00:25:21] <`Wolf> but you could put it on the r8 using the tormach tool holder
[00:25:23] <`Wolf> s
[00:25:46] <RyanS> $1000 shipping https://www.ebay.com
[00:26:31] <norias> yeah
[00:26:44] <`Wolf> ouch look at the chunks out of it
[00:26:46] <norias> i saw tormach has a BT30 spindle they sell
[00:27:05] <`Wolf> showing $98 shipping for me
[00:27:31] <RyanS> international shipping
[00:27:47] <norias> unfortunately, i don't think tormach's bt30 spindle is capable of doing atc
[00:28:13] <`Wolf> https://www.ebay.com ask for a shipping quote on this
[00:30:01] <`Wolf> eh, why do a bt30 and have no atc
[00:30:32] <norias> right
[00:31:57] <`Wolf> makes more sense then R8 seeing there seems to be no spec what so ever for drawbar tension for it lol
[00:32:08] <norias> true
[00:32:19] <XXCoder> insane hack. https://youtu.be
[00:32:21] <norias> but they are still using a threaded drawbar
[00:32:23] <norias> so...
[00:32:30] <norias> like you said, why?
[00:32:31] <XXCoder> he turns super mario 3 into flapper game.
[00:32:40] <`Wolf> they use spring washer and air cylinder for atc
[00:32:47] <norias> rigt
[00:32:48] <XXCoder> no flashing, literally exploits in game and inputting bytes one byte a time
[00:32:52] <norias> which is my point
[00:32:54] <XXCoder> 332 byte ow
[00:33:01] <norias> the one in the tormach doesn't do atc
[00:33:08] <norias> from what i can see
[00:33:21] <`Wolf> weird, I meant for the R8
[00:33:33] <`Wolf> I have been looking for what the tension should be
[00:33:33] <norias> with the r-8...
[00:33:40] <norias> i think they use some adapter
[00:33:50] <norias> for their proprietary system
[00:34:11] <`Wolf> yeah, its a 3/4” R8 collet with a flat face
[00:34:31] <norias> the tormach people make no sense to me
[00:34:50] <norias> their machines make me want to start a competitive company
[00:34:52] <`Wolf> I use the TTS with my manual mill lol
[00:35:05] <norias> really?
[00:35:06] <norias> lol
[00:35:19] <`Wolf> yeah, makes tool changes quick
[00:35:43] <norias> people make atc like systems for r-8
[00:35:55] <norias> replaces the threaded drawbar
[00:36:04] <`Wolf> except that I’m using a cordless 12v impact gun on the drawbar right now
[00:36:11] <norias> i know there are 2 or 3 commercial systems
[00:36:13] <RyanS> im guessing this will go for a fortune? https://www.ebay.com
[00:36:16] <`Wolf> I need to build my air cylinder setup
[00:36:26] <norias> and i've seen a couple inhouse made at tool and die shops
[00:36:51] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[00:37:09] <`Wolf> v1 bearing crusher
[00:37:19] <norias> huh. neat
[00:37:54] <norias> maybe i should lower my expectations and build a machine
[00:38:02] <norias> just to test the crap i want to do
[00:38:03] <`Wolf> 800lbs of spring force on there, cylinder can do 1000 iirc or something
[00:38:17] <`Wolf> 4” cylinder, 3/4” throw
[00:38:51] <`Wolf> got a bigger one for the knee mill https://i.imgur.com lol
[00:39:20] <norias> sure do
[00:40:45] <`Wolf> throw something together ,make it move, make it make its own upgrades lol
[00:40:58] <norias> eh
[00:41:13] <norias> the whole idea is to work on the software tool chain, etc
[00:41:18] <norias> i just need a test mule
[00:41:31] <`Wolf> ahh
[00:41:53] <norias> i have some very specific ideas on how to make some lights out stuff work
[00:42:33] <`Wolf> I like to tinker but don’t know shit about software end of things lol
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[00:45:16] <`Wolf> I like to tinker but don’t know shit about software end of things lol < if you missed it
[00:45:43] <norias> ahh
[00:47:08] <norias> i just work in machine shops
[00:47:14] <norias> and think there's money to be made
[00:48:22] <`Wolf> I do welding and commercial truck upfitting, so partly I want cnc to do some of my work for me lol
[00:48:40] <norias> makes sense
[00:49:33] <`Wolf> at least now days there is enough info online to stumble through getting a linux cnc machine running without know linux
[00:49:38] <`Wolf> knowing*
[00:49:47] <norias> yeah
[00:58:35] <norias> good point
[00:58:45] <norias> that could make my project a little more difficult, actually
[00:59:16] <ziper> aaaaaaa i better jump on this https://miami.craigslist.org
[00:59:27] <ziper> probably will be sold monday if it isnt already
[01:00:28] <norias> ziper: looks fun
[01:00:34] <XXCoder> wow big lathe
[01:02:46] <`Wolf> nice apartment sized machine
[01:03:15] <XXCoder> definitely not machine for apartment dweller.
[01:05:26] <ziper> I could stop sleeping on the floor
[01:05:30] <ziper> i will have... a bed
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[01:10:06] <XXCoder> more and more chineseium products is using linear rails
[01:10:10] <XXCoder> kinda good news
[01:10:42] <norias> why is that good news?
[01:10:49] <XXCoder> cheap linear rails
[01:11:00] <XXCoder> of course its still chineseium..
[01:11:16] <norias> fair point
[01:13:46] <`Wolf> be nice if they marketed the rails with things like “our slave labor force actually puts the correct number of balls in our bearings”
[01:14:05] <norias> ha!
[01:14:10] <XXCoder> indeed lol
[01:14:18] <norias> "We have the very best slaves!"
[01:14:19] <XXCoder> I bought some sbrs and quality was ehh
[01:15:19] <XXCoder> hardware wasnt bad, bearing was.
[01:22:40] <XXCoder> not bad https://www.youtube.com
[01:22:47] <`Wolf> bearing are kinda the important part
[01:23:00] <XXCoder> indeed
[01:23:56] <`Wolf> I hate 3d printers, build size, potato (small)
[01:25:23] <XXCoder> yeah didnt plan to paste url here lol sorry
[01:25:33] <`Wolf> ol
[01:25:35] <`Wolf> lol
[01:25:36] <RyanS> yeah 3d printers are way overrated
[01:25:56] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com too small
[01:26:10] <`Wolf> thinking about building a 300x300
[01:26:27] <XXCoder> someone made 3'x3'x10' printer
[01:26:34] <XXCoder> uses strings and achnors
[01:27:08] <`Wolf> I could size the i3 to giant
[01:27:20] <`Wolf> but really I don’t need it much bigger
[01:28:19] <`Wolf> that one you linked has a neat layout tho
[01:30:39] <RyanS> do you know how much you need to oversize holes in PLA? I've never had any success although I don't expect better than 0.1mm tolerance
[01:31:32] <`Wolf> I usually just put holes in place to either force thread screws in to or I drill them out
[01:31:49] <`Wolf> or print the same damn thing 10 times to get the holes right
[01:32:11] <ve7it> 96
[01:32:23] <ve7it> *85200
[01:33:21] <ve7it> nb]'
[01:33:34] <`Wolf> oddly my lathe gears came out sized correctly
[01:33:59] <`Wolf> which means I must have gotten the size wrong in the cad lol
[01:34:04] <ve7it> https://ca.groups.yahoo.com
[01:34:20] <ve7it> ./------
[01:34:28] <RyanS> im just making inserts for a toolrack fot MT3 so if its a bit small the tool will just sit higher
[01:35:04] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
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[01:41:16] <norias> oh good
[01:41:20] <norias> i'm still here
[01:41:29] <norias> so, yeah, machining
[01:41:31] <norias> so much fun
[01:45:56] <`Wolf> making chips here...
[01:46:24] <XXCoder> yummy heh
[01:46:48] <norias> oh, what flavor?
[01:46:51] <norias> BBQ?
[01:47:01] <XXCoder> probably steel
[01:47:12] <XXCoder> or more common, aluminium
[01:47:27] <`Wolf> aluminium
[01:48:14] <`Wolf> if I fuck up, carbide and vise chips
[01:48:25] <XXCoder> unwanted flavors yeah
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[02:19:32] <IchGucksLive> morning from sunny germany
[02:19:51] <norias> morning
[02:19:52] <IchGucksLive> bullrun 2nd day in pamplona
[02:20:32] <IchGucksLive> only 6 people in holpital at a full downforce it raind like hell
[02:22:21] <IchGucksLive> morning norias new here ?
[02:22:41] <norias> sorta
[02:23:51] <IchGucksLive> what are you building or interested in
[02:24:16] <norias> hmm, good question
[02:24:26] <norias> i might build some sort of cnc just to test ideas
[02:24:33] <IchGucksLive> im the man how ownes this YT https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:51] <norias> cool
[02:25:08] <IchGucksLive> norias, what is the expected budget
[02:25:15] <norias> not sure yet
[02:25:24] <norias> i'm still thinking it through
[02:25:37] <norias> i want to basically simulate a production system
[02:25:46] <norias> and the question is, with how much fidelity?
[02:26:08] <IchGucksLive> simulaton is more CAD related like Freecad
[02:26:24] <norias> yeah... not really
[02:27:17] <IchGucksLive> norias, simulating systems like https://www.youtube.com
[02:27:34] <norias> no, not at all
[02:28:03] <norias> thats a machine simulation
[02:28:09] <norias> and apparently not even a full one
[02:28:15] <IchGucksLive> part simulation
[02:28:23] <norias> i need to study a manufacturing system
[02:29:53] <IchGucksLive> ok maybe things like this https://www.youtube.com
[02:30:39] <norias> yeah, that's closer, but not quite
[02:30:54] <norias> afaik vericut doesn't handle deflection, etc
[02:31:06] <norias> well, maybe
[02:31:47] <IchGucksLive> then you are up with Freecad as it has all modules onboard
[02:31:56] <IchGucksLive> full FEM CAD and CAM
[02:32:05] <norias> yeah, that's cool, thanks
[02:32:13] <norias> i'm not going to sit here and argue about it
[02:35:17] <`Wolf> things get lost in translation I thinks
[02:36:21] <IchGucksLive> im off 2 Garden Bye
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[02:38:00] <gloops> triple the estimated cash and time budget
[02:38:42] <gloops> dont even bother starting a cnc if youre over 50 - youll never live to see it working lol
[02:39:10] <norias> lol
[02:39:34] <norias> that's why i might just buy one working
[02:40:38] <gloops> well, i suppose it depends what machine, and how much spare you have, i started a year ago, ended up building twice
[02:41:18] <norias> i'm kinda in the place where i almost don't care what machine
[02:41:18] <gloops> spare time
[02:41:25] <norias> i guess i have to decide if that matters
[02:41:32] <norias> in the long run it probably does
[02:41:41] <norias> but i think i can start my work with pretty low fidelity
[02:42:36] <gloops> hmm, something moving in 3 dimensions probably
[02:42:46] <gloops> probably something that cuts
[02:42:51] <norias> you've got a point
[02:42:58] <norias> 2d would work
[02:43:02] <norias> actually
[02:43:06] <norias> not a bad place to start
[02:43:35] <norias> although i feel like production lathe stuff is...
[02:43:39] <norias> rather well solved
[02:43:45] <gloops> well, then you have to consider the long term costs, how long before you need 3d? not very long id guess
[02:44:05] <norias> and i just don't think there's as much lathe work
[02:44:28] <gloops> its all 5 axis these days
[02:44:35] <norias> not really
[02:44:49] <norias> there's tons and tons of 3 axis out there
[02:46:08] <gloops> what im really saying is, if you build a machine for 2, design it with the potential to be upgraded to 3
[02:46:27] <gloops> rather than having to build another machine
[02:46:30] <norias> yeah
[02:47:41] <gloops> it doesnt take that long to make a router or something with ally extrusions, probably a couple of weeks
[02:47:57] <norias> good point
[02:49:59] <gloops> the mistake most people make to start is building something too small, too weak, too cheap to be any use - as i did, no sooner is it finished than you need to start building again if you want to make anything
[02:50:19] <`Wolf> desk top slant bed with live tooling imo
[02:51:56] <`Wolf> have it making drip tips for the vape crowd, sell stupid little turned acrylic for $15 each
[02:52:20] <norias> hah
[02:52:29] <norias> turning acrylic is a pita
[02:53:06] <gloops> hey that brazilian who was in here was making those - he was selling loads
[02:53:14] <norias> right on
[02:53:22] <norias> anyway
[02:53:25] <norias> i gotta run
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[03:04:14] <Deejay> moin
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[03:24:43] <`Wolf> well this might be useful https://imgur.com
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[03:25:15] <XXCoder> the bolt holes block? isnt you made this a while ago?
[03:25:32] <`Wolf> me nope
[03:25:41] <`Wolf> I just ordered 2 from nycnc
[03:26:22] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[03:26:29] <XXCoder> its bolted to round stock?
[03:26:32] <`Wolf> yup
[03:26:41] <`Wolf> well, the round stock bolts to it
[03:27:25] <`Wolf> every youtube diy mini pallet I have seen bolts from the pallet down
[03:28:10] <`Wolf> this one has more holes, reaming and tapping then I would ever want to do on a manual mill
[03:28:23] <XXCoder> indeed lol
[03:28:34] <XXCoder> you ever seen college project, super holey block?
[03:28:36] <XXCoder> lemme find it
[03:28:41] <XXCoder> not 123
[03:29:06] <`Wolf> and after looking at the cost of a 6”x9”x1” plate ($35) I said screw it and ordered the $89/ea
[03:29:25] <`Wolf> yeah, the machinist cube
[03:30:24] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[03:30:37] <`Wolf> damn the saunders pallet has 150 holes in it
[03:31:58] <`Wolf> oh that cube lol
[03:32:11] <XXCoder> yeah. insane number of holes
[03:32:19] <`Wolf> I was thinking https://www.youtube.com
[03:32:20] <XXCoder> its basically nothing but holes lol
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[03:32:37] <XXCoder> your keywords helped tho
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[03:35:52] <`Wolf> lol and I link the one that is a fail
[03:35:58] <`Wolf> https://www.youtube.com done right
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[03:36:50] <XXCoder> machine handles look like pistons lol
[03:37:27] <`Wolf> hah I wasn’t even looking
[03:38:18] <`Wolf> I need to make more handles for my lathe
[03:38:26] <`Wolf> like i need more projects lol
[03:41:15] <`Wolf> https://www.youtube.com your swiss cube done modern way :P
[03:42:55] <XXCoder> smaller but yeah
[03:44:09] <XXCoder> that guy need to use airblade for camera
[03:44:17] <`Wolf> lol
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[03:47:16] <XXCoder> 22 bucks for one of those
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[04:13:32] <Connor> Anyone have any idea how much torque needed for a power feed for a Z on a Bridgeport.. I can do 350in-lb, 450in-lb, or 550in-lb. I have the 350 one on my table and it's pretty good, but it bogs down a bit at the end of the travel..
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[04:59:01] <amxen> morning
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[05:11:36] <RyanS> hahaha "Almost everybody thinks that only expensive commercial machines (3d printers) are capable of producing parts with great accuracy:.... Now my prints are always within 0.05mm of the target size and I now model all holes exactly the size I want them." measured with calipers...
[05:27:47] <gloops> howdy
[05:30:37] <amxen> iv had a 3d printer for just over a week and the prints are amazing
[05:36:47] <gloops> 0.05mm isnt bad
[05:37:36] <gloops> for things that need to look ok, or just fit together, they arent bearing fits
[05:38:34] <RyanS> mines printing 1-2mm under
[05:45:22] <Wolf__> probably over extruding
[05:45:59] <Wolf__> my printer actually does pretty well holding tolerance with pla and petg
[05:46:34] <Wolf__> ABS it gets too much bite on the filament and stuff is all wrong sized
[05:47:09] <gloops> ive never used one
[05:47:17] <RyanS> yeah pla is better
[05:47:35] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com petg modled for cnc out of alum stock but printed for test fitting
[05:47:51] <gloops> i dont even know what my router does, all i know is - there is no visible error with the eye
[05:48:05] <gloops> joints fit perfectly, which says it pretty decent
[05:48:41] <Wolf__> just had to clean the seam and some hanging drips out of the holes, led lens fit easy
[05:53:47] <Wolf__> hmm, that thing looks weird with the lights out at the ends of it...
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[06:47:07] <amxen_> so what machines do ppl run in here
[06:54:07] <gloops> think most are on the metalworking side - mills mainly, some routers, plasmas, printers, lathes
[06:54:29] <gloops> have been 5 axis dont know if anyone currently using one in here
[06:58:04] <gloops> thats my router https://ibb.co
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[06:59:05] <fragalot> Hey
[06:59:47] <gloops> fragalot is building a mill
[07:01:33] <XXCoder> mill is building a fragalot
[07:04:43] <gloops> the difference bewteen chinese nema23 and european nema 34 https://ibb.co
[07:14:18] <fragalot> ?
[07:16:13] <gloops> ?
[07:16:31] <fragalot> 12:59 < gloops> fragalot is building a mill <==
[07:16:37] <fragalot> were you going anywhere with that statement? :D
[07:16:45] <gloops> <amxen_> so what machines do ppl run in here
[07:16:56] <fragalot> ah
[07:17:10] <fragalot> well i've got a chinese cnc that i've been using for nearly 7 years ow
[07:17:11] <fragalot> now
[07:22:14] <amxen_> sold my chinese cnc about 3 months ago as i was not using it
[07:22:40] <amxen_> im not converting my mill to cnc .
[07:23:08] <amxen_> also have a creality cr10
[07:23:32] <amxen_> a chines mini lathe
[07:23:44] <amxen_> and a myford super 7 lathe
[07:24:22] <gloops> ive got an old britannia lathe heh
[07:27:19] <gloops> i missed a myford 7 really local, it was on about £90 all week on ebay, wasnt described as a myford 7, i still expected it to go much higher, when i looked it went for about £250
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[07:28:20] <gloops> then again if id have started bidding it might have gone up a lot
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[07:32:36] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[07:32:42] <IchGucksLive> from a sunny hot germany
[07:33:13] <IchGucksLive> gloops, they made it
[07:33:32] <gloops> yeah not a bad performance, should beat croatia now
[07:33:50] <gloops> youve just missed someone having problems with mach3 bob
[07:34:16] <IchGucksLive> gloops, how can someone have problems with this bob
[07:34:33] <IchGucksLive> there are 10.000 sold worldwide a week
[07:34:50] <gloops> he tried wiring it with a 5v psu, not usb
[07:34:53] <IchGucksLive> and 200.000 instructions on youtube
[07:34:54] <gloops> got a red light
[07:35:10] <IchGucksLive> RED ligt is ok
[07:35:16] <gloops> missed him 2 minutes ago
[07:35:44] <IchGucksLive> did you direct him to my Channel ;-(
[07:35:46] <gloops> well hes only got 5v on the output side
[07:36:16] <gloops> i think he knows how to wire the drivers , just the 5v supply he had problems with
[07:36:36] <IchGucksLive> he will get it
[07:36:45] <IchGucksLive> its a easy task
[07:37:00] <IchGucksLive> and modern driver do accept every bad wirering
[07:37:39] <gloops> yeah he'll sort it
[07:37:50] <IchGucksLive> ofcause 48V to the PC5V will be a misstake that burns in the ic
[07:38:38] <IchGucksLive> gloops, now its louce turn to win in silverston
[07:38:52] <gloops> maybe yeah
[07:38:52] <IchGucksLive> Hammilton
[07:39:12] <gloops> i dont watch F1 much
[07:39:13] <IchGucksLive> if mercedes power copwes with the heat
[07:39:33] <IchGucksLive> its almost boring t a high level
[07:39:37] <gloops> should be ok, its not as hot today, maybe 85f
[07:39:49] <IchGucksLive> but le tour de france is also the hig
[07:40:11] <gloops> this weather is gone tuesday
[07:40:37] <IchGucksLive> .weather Zweibrücken
[07:40:38] <theCockerel> Yahoo! Weather - Zweibrucken, RP, DE: Partly Cloudy, 23°C (73°F), Humidity: 41%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (↓)
[07:40:47] <IchGucksLive> clo here
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[07:41:09] <gloops> .weather Sheffield
[07:41:10] <theCockerel> Yahoo! Weather - Sheffield, England, GB: Mostly Cloudy, 24°C (75°F), Humidity: 44%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (↓)
[07:44:21] <gloops> mostly sunny and a bit more than 75f
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[09:17:06] <gloops> 6 boys safely out of the cave
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[09:38:04] <fragalot> gloops: I neard they hired neymar as an expert
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[11:37:16] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[11:37:44] <IchGucksLive> amxen, online ?
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[12:42:18] <Lcvette> log
[12:42:19] <c-log> Lcvette: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[12:53:13] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:55:40] <pink_vampire> do you know about step by step machining project source?
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[13:09:43] <fragalot> hey
[13:09:55] <fragalot> pink_vampire: what?
[13:11:06] <pink_vampire> I'm looking for a book, or a pdf, that guide you how to make something, and also teach you the right way to do it
[13:11:38] <fragalot> there are many, could you narrow it down a bit?
[13:12:07] <fragalot> because there is no "right way" that works for everything, and there is no book that covers everything
[13:14:00] <pink_vampire> I have a mill and a lathe, so something that will have a nice project with drawings and everything will be nice.
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[13:15:19] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[13:15:32] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire, hi so big bisuness
[13:15:46] <pink_vampire> hi IchGucksLive
[13:16:24] <IchGucksLive> step by step machining project source MEANING build a mashine or a part
[13:16:54] <IchGucksLive> amxen, online ?
[13:18:48] <fragalot> https://www.amazon.com <= pink_vampire
[13:19:52] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire, this is a complex system you going after
[13:19:55] <fragalot> look at the "frequently bought together" section & keep digging through until you find something that looks good
[13:20:03] <pink_vampire> i looking for something with some complexity, like a clock or something like that, but not necessarily. I just want to make stuff on the machine that are known for "it s going to work"
[13:20:39] <fragalot> making a clock by hand is going to take a year, make sure you want to invest that amount of time :P
[13:21:47] <pink_vampire> fragalot: with cnc and HF spindle..
[13:22:28] <IchGucksLive> pink_vampire, why dident you just ask a juwelery shop around to make parts for them
[13:23:15] <IchGucksLive> goldsmith ...
[13:23:34] <fragalot> pink_vampire: don't expect CNC'd parts to come out as fully functional without hand work
[13:23:35] <IchGucksLive> Scale model shop like Airplane weelmounts
[13:23:42] <pink_vampire> like what parts? most of them just 3d print wax those days.
[13:24:03] <fragalot> jigs, tools?
[13:24:06] <IchGucksLive> this is mass
[13:24:23] <IchGucksLive> but not the expensiv stuff
[13:25:03] <IchGucksLive> im off 2 Garden Watering it is so hot outside tomatos are like in the desert
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[13:25:16] <amxen> ordered a new breakout board the same as the last one that did not work . hope this one works
[13:26:02] <pink_vampire> I want to make something that look impressive
[13:27:29] <fragalot> pink_vampire: model engine?
[13:27:42] <fragalot> there's plenty of project plans out there for those
[13:28:31] <pink_vampire> but I have mostly sheet metal and plastic (acrylic and pvc)
[13:29:11] <fragalot> you just keep adding on constraints don't you
[13:29:48] <pink_vampire> heh yeah..
[13:35:58] <pink_vampire> i have 1" by 12" brass rod, and few 3/8" brass rods, and 2 12"x12" x1/32" sheet, alot of 1/8" and 1/16" aluminum sheet, about 2 12"x2"x3" aluminum bars, and alot of 24"x24" black acrylic 1/8", and 12"x24"x3/4" foamed pvc sheet.
[13:36:38] <pink_vampire> so those are the materials...
[13:36:56] <pink_vampire> any good idea what can i do?
[13:36:58] <fragalot> sounds like plenty to make a little steam engine that runs on compressed air (acrylic piston in brass cylinder?)
[13:37:30] <pink_vampire> the acrylic are all just 1/8" sheets.
[13:38:00] <pink_vampire> I'm only use them to make signs.
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[13:38:29] <fragalot> thick enough for some designs
[13:38:34] <fragalot> stack them up if you need thicker
[13:39:06] <fragalot> or make a wind powered pump for in the garden
[13:39:46] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to think about metal based projects.
[13:40:19] <fragalot> even more constraints :D
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[13:41:32] <pink_vampire> yeah..
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[14:43:17] <gloops> all quiet on the western front
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[14:51:09] <pink_vampire> hi gloops
[14:51:28] <gloops> hi pink_vampire, anything doin?
[14:55:27] <gloops> cooler conditions approaching the UK
[14:55:46] <gloops> thank goodness, we lived through it, the Great Heat of 2018
[14:56:23] <pink_vampire> I'm not doing much..
[14:56:41] <gloops> did you get the emco going?
[14:57:07] <pink_vampire> yes she is amazing!
[14:57:42] <pink_vampire> I got for her some replacement parts. and she is look as good as new
[14:58:39] <gloops> excellent
[14:59:53] <pink_vampire> the tail stock stopper was rebuild, and switches got replaced, and the change gear fork also replaced.
[15:03:18] <pink_vampire> other than that I was fully disasamble the whole lathe to the screw level, and scrub each part in a degreser, and fix the old oilers, and now it a beauty
[15:10:23] <Connor> Anyone have any idea how much torque needed for a power feed for a Z on a Bridgeport? I can do 450inb-lb, 550in-lb, or 650in-lb. I have the 450 one on my table and it's pretty good, but it bogs down a bit at the end of travel..
[15:10:23] <gloops> i knew you had the job in hand
[15:11:13] <gloops> seems like you need a bit more Connor
[15:14:02] <fragalot> gloops: don't jinx it
[15:14:06] <fragalot> :P
[15:15:36] <fragalot> Connor: depends on how smooth your bridgeport runs? easy enough to find out with a bucket of sand
[15:15:39] <fragalot> :P
[15:16:01] <fragalot> sit on the table, hang bucket of sand off of a 1ft lever (or other known length) & fill up until it moves you up
[15:17:00] <gloops> 450in-lb what is that?
[15:17:17] <gloops> have we got a Nm or hp figure?
[15:17:46] <gloops> i get it to be 50Nm
[15:18:30] <gloops> depending on screw pitch..id say thats quite a bit
[15:25:24] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be time for a new drill press
[15:26:04] <pink_vampire> Connor: try with a torque meter and see what is show.
[15:26:30] <fragalot> gloops: the bridgeport clone we have at work requires both hands on the 30cm long handle to move the Z up
[15:26:39] <fragalot> I hate having to raise it
[15:27:20] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: I see nothing wrong there?
[15:28:34] <gloops> well, i reckon the BP is binding
[15:29:41] <fragalot> probably. I have no reference other than top lipton's remark when he showed off his fancy drill powered Z axis
[15:30:06] <fragalot> "if you don't get why this is a big deal, you probably don't own a bridgeport" --- 100% paraphrased.
[15:32:26] <gloops> just have to gear it down, or get a bigger motor
[15:34:18] <gloops> how much of the bridgeport cult is based on patriotic loyalty kind of thing, as opposed to real quality - ive never owned one
[15:34:42] <gloops> like with harley davidson say
[15:38:49] <fragalot> I think a big part of it is availability of them in the US
[15:38:59] <fragalot> and, you have to give it to the design, it is an incredibly versatile machine
[15:44:48] <CaptHindsight> heavy duty drill press that mills :)
[15:46:13] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: with a column you can move around to get to places other machines likely couldn't :-)
[15:46:17] <CaptHindsight> mine is near 60 years old, just about time to rebuild and square it back up
[15:46:22] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[15:46:28] <gloops> that would do me
[15:46:57] <gloops> you can get your to within 2 feet of it
[15:47:04] <gloops> your car
[15:49:36] <fragalot> that machine does not look like it's ever been loved
[15:51:08] <fragalot> oh it's for parts, nvm :P
[15:52:59] <gloops> nah, he says it lights up, he just hasnt pressed any switches - thqat will work fine
[15:53:09] <gloops> nice patina on the dovetails
[15:54:04] <gloops> looks a bit tinny actually
[15:54:43] <gloops> probably knows full well it works but is total crap
[15:57:21] <gloops> i think i talked myself out of that one lol
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[16:03:52] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: I just put bigger pieces on bigger mills
[16:06:51] <gloops> hmm, Japanese clothing revolution
[16:07:13] <gloops> you send a nude pic of yourself and the clothes arrive custon made to be an exact fit
[16:08:13] <gloops> which may or may not be a good thing
[16:17:14] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: No. :D
[16:24:37] <CaptHindsight> gloops: thats great news, no more will I have to stand nude at the tailor getting measured
[16:25:44] <gloops> i closed the link - these clothes were a bit too good a fit, unless you would class yourself as athletic
[16:25:47] <XXCoder> but then nude picture is there in internet forever heh
[16:26:11] <gloops> XXCoder yes your nude photos will be sold on to Somalian blackmailers
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[16:34:09] <hendrik_cnc> hello guys, i would like to control my coolant system via linuxcnc/mesa. but my coolant system has a momentary contact switch, so i need to set one pin active just for a short pulse. can i do this with toggle? http://linuxcnc.org
[16:35:06] <CaptHindsight> a one shot
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[16:36:00] <CaptHindsight> hendrik_cnc: http://linuxcnc.org
[16:36:34] <hendrik_cnc> ah perfect, thank you!
[16:41:13] <CaptHindsight> Valen_: did you make a mount for a spindle using epoxy granite?
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[16:47:20] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:03:00] <hazzy-lab> Most powerful garden hose reel ever: https://youtu.be
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[17:08:48] <CaptHindsight> hazzy-lab: was that a skit from Hee Haw?
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[17:15:06] <XXCoder> or red green?
[17:15:16] <XXCoder> yep red green
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[18:54:19] <andypugh> Fusion360 lets you choose primary or secondary spindle in the lathe post. But doesn’t seem to make any changes in the G-code based on that choice.
[18:56:26] <pcw_home> isn't that up to the LinuxCNC post?
[18:57:09] <Tom_L> the post would definitely need to support it
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[19:11:56] <tjb1> Teensy THC in action - https://www.youtube.com
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[20:00:12] <XXCoder> 1956 gears unpacking, enjoy. https://www.evilmadscientist.com
[20:00:26] <XXCoder> gears made in era where there was no cnc
[20:00:47] <SpeedEvil> NC was a thing though.
[20:01:02] <XXCoder> pretty amazing. like when we landed on moon with computers weaker than el cheapo digital watch
[20:02:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[20:02:55] <andypugh> CNC isn’t _that_ much help making gears.
[20:13:47] <Tom_L> helical maybe
[20:15:12] <Tom_L> there are probably more efficient ways
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[20:36:57] <SpeedEvil> It's invalulable if you want to make one gear.
[20:38:15] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[20:38:48] <XXCoder> skate or die!
[20:39:05] <Tom_L> sp/or/and
[20:39:35] <XXCoder> https://i.ytimg.com
[20:39:39] <Tom_L> kids wanted some fancy mods
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[20:40:14] <XXCoder> skate or due was unteresting but bit annoying game lol
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[21:17:09] <ziper> ok
[21:17:19] <ziper> i'm going to meet the guy with the lathe tomorrow
[21:17:31] <ziper> he said something about the bed being cut near the headstock
[21:23:43] <ziper> oh looks like its even in the picture https://miami.craigslist.org
[21:24:08] <ziper> i'm assuming its not supposed to be a gap lathe
[21:42:33] <hazzy-lab> ziper: That is, humm ... interesting. I have seen some lathes about that size with beds that slid away from the headstock (instead of removing the block for the gap). Looked like that, but the base was very hefty to support the bed, unlike that leblond
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[23:52:04] <CaptHindsight> https://chicago.craigslist.org $200
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