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[01:09:51] <`Wolf> hmm I think my mill is trammed in pretty well https://i.imgur.com
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[01:29:31] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: That's about as good as you can do!
[01:34:18] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[01:34:43] <`Wolf> I always get the nice surface finish on the parts you never see again lol
[01:39:25] <`Wolf> now.. while its in pieces, should I drill/tap/port/grove it for one shot oil system lol
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[02:18:30] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: Absolutely! There there will probably never be a better time, and you certainly won't regret it
[02:20:21] <`Wolf> one shot oil on a X2 seems like over kill but why the hell not right? lol
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[02:21:41] <IchGucksLive> morning from germany
[02:21:48] <IchGucksLive> no sun today
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[02:25:12] <hazzy-lab> Morning Ichs
[02:27:33] <tiger12506> Anybody awake?
[02:28:07] <`Wolf> nope
[02:28:54] <IchGucksLive> yes we are
[02:29:02] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, this is 24/7
[02:29:12] <IchGucksLive> as the world never sleeps
[02:29:21] <tiger12506> I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I notice the "Alternate Install Methods" section of the linuxcnc website mentions wheezy and jessie, but I can confirm that the install instructions (making the appropriate substitutions) work fine for stretch
[02:29:27] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, just ask
[02:29:57] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, there is a strech iso
[02:30:42] <IchGucksLive> https://github.com
[02:31:01] <tiger12506> Sure. More of a "I think the install instructions are falling out of date and could be updated" recommendation.
[02:31:03] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, isos are here http://www.linuxcnc.org
[02:31:31] <IchGucksLive> agree
[02:31:50] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, why do you need strech
[02:33:13] <tiger12506> For various reasons. I'm not asking about a problem or anything, just to report that it works fine on Stretch, and that it took me a while to realize that, especially because of the table on the Alternate Install Method section.
[02:33:21] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, modern pc can easy do 2 parports on a 10USD pci
[02:33:59] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, if you are in the forum plese write a MAKE
[02:34:08] <IchGucksLive> how you did it
[02:34:41] <IchGucksLive> if it is proven by someone then there are people that update the wiki alternatives
[02:34:51] <IchGucksLive> BUT if you like you can also do it
[02:36:27] <tiger12506> just fyi, Debian Stretch 9.0 is the latest stable release of Debian.
[02:36:38] <tiger12506> In the forum please write a MAKE?
[02:36:46] <tiger12506> I'll go look and see what that means.
[02:37:22] <IchGucksLive> tiger12506, just a froum entry how to make it work on debian strech 9.0
[02:37:28] <`Wolf> I think he means a how to post
[02:37:51] <tiger12506> Nah, just haven't looked that hard yet
[02:38:02] <IchGucksLive> YUST took a look at the YT only 24 preople yesterday as comming from 3000 per day last year
[02:38:43] <IchGucksLive> Lcnc is loosing ground to arduinocnc
[02:39:58] <tiger12506> Well that makes sense. Arduinos are getting cheaper, and nobody wants to lug around a computer with a parallel port.
[02:40:37] <IchGucksLive> i love them
[02:40:58] <IchGucksLive> as i use around 100 a year and in total more then 6000 mashines
[02:41:02] <IchGucksLive> 600
[02:41:12] <`Wolf> stand alone router and laser cutters are the hot things
[02:41:18] <IchGucksLive> i will not go to 6k in this live
[02:41:36] <`Wolf> lcnc is kinda overkill for them
[02:41:57] <IchGucksLive> even the big M is loosing
[02:42:47] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com my laser machine, running smoothie board
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[02:43:00] <IchGucksLive> im off 2 garden
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[02:43:34] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[02:43:52] <`Wolf> I’m amazed that it even works every time I use it lol
[02:45:43] <tiger12506> oh man, lasers are so cool. I have a cheap china module that I intended to hook up (maybe duct tape) to the CNC3040 from China.
[02:46:31] <tiger12506> But I'm not clear yet on what modifications I'd have to make to the hardware to get PWM spindle control... it's a long story
[02:46:56] <`Wolf> mine is a 2.5W, 9 3d printed parts, and a hand full of bearings, g2 gears and 550mm 12mm hywin rails
[02:48:01] <`Wolf> I just wish it was more watts
[02:48:09] <`Wolf> like 100w…
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[02:49:17] <tiger12506> What can you do with 2.5W module? I think that's what I bought.
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[02:50:44] <`Wolf> mark wood is about it
[02:51:09] <`Wolf> I got it to test bed before getting a 100W co2
[02:53:54] <tiger12506> Looks like it's doing nicely in those photos
[02:55:36] <`Wolf> I’m still having issues figuring out the raster stuff
[02:56:00] <`Wolf> plus I don’t know squat about vectored graphics yet
[02:57:03] <tiger12506> Oh? What CAM are you using?
[02:57:27] <`Wolf> laserweb
[02:59:15] <tiger12506> I started out with inkscape, then switched to inkscape and makercam, but since I discovered fusion 360 and got it working all the way through, I haven't been doing much of the previous.
[02:59:36] <tiger12506> Took me a while to figure out how to use inkscape and get vector graphics to turn out right.
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[02:59:58] <tiger12506> makes sense though, since gcode basically _is_ vector graphics. lol
[03:00:05] <Deejay> moin
[03:00:36] <`Wolf> hmm
[03:00:45] <`Wolf> I’m use to using solid works
[03:01:03] <`Wolf> been poking at f360 but can’t break the SW workflow
[03:01:43] <tiger12506> I did that briefly, with SolidCAM (pirated), but was watching NYC CNC on youtube and liked what I saw with Fusion
[03:02:05] <`Wolf> lol I thats what I’m running
[03:03:02] <`Wolf> I did have someone offer to teach me some illustrator stuff so I might try that for the laser stuff
[03:03:25] <tiger12506> The most irritating thing I find with Fusion is the zoom. Probably a setting I can find somewhere, but I think it's insane that you have to move the mouse opposite the origin when zooming out in order to keep your part in frame.
[03:04:06] <`Wolf> I use a space mouse for 3d stuff
[03:04:42] <tiger12506> I could never get into fancy mice, lol.
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[03:04:52] <tiger12506> So do you think they will update this page
[03:05:03] <tiger12506> http://linuxcnc.org
[03:05:14] <tiger12506> if I make a post here
[03:05:24] <tiger12506> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[03:05:29] <`Wolf> maybe, I dunno
[03:05:40] <tiger12506> well that's encouraging. :)
[03:06:01] <`Wolf> the space mouse works good because you can map it to move like you are grabbing the part
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[03:07:14] <`Wolf> x/y/z pitch/roll all natural using the puck
[03:07:24] <`Wolf> + rotate
[03:09:21] <tiger12506> Sweet.
[03:09:46] <tiger12506> Well, I'm gonna hop off. Cheers and have a nice day. :)
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[03:10:12] <`Wolf> http://a.co this thing, only 2 buttons lol
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[03:12:10] <tiger12506> That's pretty slick lookin. I think the last mouse I paid for was $1.
[03:12:39] <tiger12506> I've got some work to get done, so I'm hopping off. Good luck with your soon to be 100W laser!
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[03:13:19] <`Wolf> back to making cast-iron chips.. ick
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[06:04:09] <jthornton> morning
[06:22:04] <Tom_itx> morning
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[06:45:15] <Simon_> Hi, i have pretty urgent problem, i recently switched my CNC from mach3 to LinuxCNC. One problem i'm having right now is a weird radius compensation. I have the feeling that linux gives a comepensation to every sharp corner, aldough i programmed G40 it not go near a sharp corner, instead it compensates more than 10mm while cutting with a 6mm tool... Is anyone familliar with this problem and the solution to it?
[06:45:49] <XXCoder> umm yeah theres gcode to turn "cut corner" on and off
[06:45:53] <XXCoder> forgot what it is though
[06:46:12] <Simon_> do you mean G40-G41-G42?
[06:46:18] <XXCoder> 10mm? that seems huge
[06:46:28] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[06:46:40] <Simon_> it is pretty huge
[06:47:17] <XXCoder> no its not tool diameter comp
[06:48:49] <XXCoder> g61 and group of commands with it
[06:49:08] <XXCoder> like g64 which sets it back to default. g61 is exact stop, corners would be sharp
[06:50:01] <XXCoder> in normal mode it depends on acceration and such to create less sharp corners. yours may be in unusual configuration so it curves way too slow
[06:50:19] <XXCoder> it could be something else but something to check. try g64 and see
[06:50:45] <XXCoder> details https://www.cncci.com
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[06:51:35] <simon_> G61pretty much solved it
[06:51:36] <XXCoder> whats you last see me say?
[06:52:11] <jthornton> simon_: did you read the link I posted?
[06:52:26] <simon_> G61.1 cuts the perect corner
[06:53:19] <XXCoder> g61.1 is new to me, modifies rounding effect. interesting
[06:53:37] <XXCoder> what was last statement you saw me say before you timed out?
[06:55:40] <simon_> that was a link
[06:55:53] <simon_> http://linuxcnc.org
[06:55:56] <simon_> this one
[06:56:03] <jthornton> yes
[06:57:58] <XXCoder> I dont know why g61.1 fixes it
[06:59:13] <simon_> seems weird to me2
[07:00:09] <XXCoder> need to check your acceration and deacceration settings
[07:00:29] <XXCoder> that affects such
[07:00:44] <jthornton> yep
[07:01:09] <jthornton> acceleration should be 10-20 times the max velocity
[07:02:00] <simon_> the problem is, i have no idea where the acceration settings are to be found... i'm pretty much new to to codes and linux
[07:02:15] <XXCoder> its in HAL if I recall right
[07:02:22] <jthornton> in your ini file
[07:02:36] <jthornton> it's quite easy to spot
[07:02:56] <XXCoder> I have forgotten bunch of stuff because havent ran my machine for while, no room. argh! I may just convert my 3d printer to linuxcnc type so I can just have fun with it as polotter or something
[07:03:09] <XXCoder> sure I run bigger machines at work but whatever lol
[07:03:16] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[07:04:05] <XXCoder> I wonder what happens if we ever find a way to access 4th dimension. so much ponental for cnc machining
[07:04:18] <XXCoder> like milling out hollows without making any holes
[07:06:10] <XXCoder> xyzw abcd I would guess heh
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[07:18:37] <skunkworks> -i
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[07:36:59] <tiwake> XXCoder: everything would look flat, so can just use a pair of 4th dimensional scissors to cut out whatever would need to normally be milled out
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[08:29:51] <Guest84986> hi, Im trying to call a subroutine within a file, but I get an error "cant open file". how can I call the routine within the same file?! Thanks
[08:30:44] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org
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[08:34:35] <rmu> trajectory planning in 4 dimensions will not be easy
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[08:46:32] <flyback> man I seen some neat machine tools as of late
[08:46:37] <flyback> not necessarily cnc
[08:47:22] <flyback> but people spinning up the shaft of a old motor in a lathe chuck to salvage the communitator or slip rings by grinding away the damage and using bigger brushes etc to compensate
[08:48:12] <flyback> I mean hell even a plotter is dam awesome just to create a pattern to cut a piece of metal with
[08:48:14] <flyback> amazing
[08:48:33] <flyback> that and I can't draw or cut a straight line to save my life
[08:50:41] <Beachbumpete1> flyback that's why those guys have all those machines..they probably can't draw a straight line either ;)
[08:52:27] <flyback> heheh :)
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[08:52:59] <flyback> can you imagine the reaction 100-200 yrs ago when manual machine tools first came out
[08:53:02] <IchGucksLive> hi
[08:53:47] <IchGucksLive> flyback, imagen inventors of 1900
[08:53:57] <IchGucksLive> now at there stuff
[08:54:35] <flyback> i mean
[08:54:38] <flyback> the reation
[08:54:38] <IchGucksLive> WERNER Siemens seeing Tesla Model3
[08:54:43] <flyback> "wait 2 pieces the same?!?!??!?!?!?!?"
[08:54:52] <IchGucksLive> OH i did that in 1888
[08:55:14] <IchGucksLive> Rudolf Diesel
[08:55:31] <IchGucksLive> Oh i did run it on Peanat oil so no polution
[08:55:48] <IchGucksLive> Edison
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[08:56:08] <IchGucksLive> Well you solfed the head problem holding 3W LED
[08:57:42] <flyback> heh I rememeber when white leds were just coming out
[08:57:57] <IchGucksLive> flyback, brothers Wright
[08:58:00] <flyback> I paid like $7 radio shack for a really shitty 3mm one probably 800 mcd at best
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[08:58:14] <IchGucksLive> oh it realy got working
[08:58:19] <flyback> yeah they used aluminum for their engine that probably cost them $10-20k back then
[08:59:02] <flyback> I believe it was still exotic at the time
[08:59:03] <flyback> not cheap
[08:59:13] <IchGucksLive> or get this 2 brothers at the visitor platform to Chicago OHARE
[08:59:15] <flyback> it was worth it to prove the concept of fligbht
[08:59:40] <flyback> man if I was that aluminum company back then
[08:59:45] <flyback> I would have given them their money back
[08:59:59] <flyback> in exchange for the rights to use them as marketing
[09:00:35] <IchGucksLive> Where woudt we be if not Religion jumpd in 82Chr
[09:01:21] <IchGucksLive> wine and beer woudt be the pay of the world on greek Arestotelis
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[09:02:53] <IchGucksLive> the world is turning
[09:03:08] <IchGucksLive> at Aquator 1600km/h
[09:03:17] <IchGucksLive> here it is 320meter/sec
[09:03:45] <IchGucksLive> N/Spol almost Zero
[09:03:52] <IchGucksLive> so it is all relative
[09:04:17] <IchGucksLive> we all are makeing 30km/sec around the sun
[09:05:03] <IchGucksLive> and of corse 30.000km/sec around the Aliencenter
[09:05:34] <IchGucksLive> while ANDROMEDA goes 120.000km/sec on colicion corse
[09:06:14] <IchGucksLive> im off 2metre/?? towards coffe Brake and Tomato Harvest
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[09:30:31] <skunkworks> and who knows how fast the universe is moving..
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[09:52:04] <jdh> me.
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[09:59:34] <rmu> moving relative to what.
[10:01:06] <skunkworks> exactly!
[10:01:14] <skunkworks> multiverse?
[10:01:41] <rmu> "multiverse" is not very well defined
[10:01:54] <skunkworks> I agree..
[10:02:17] <rmu> everybody and their cat have their own imagination what a multiverse would be
[10:02:37] <skunkworks> Actually our dog has a pretty good theory..
[10:02:55] <rmu> hehe... i can imagine...
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[10:03:43] <gloops> the fabric of the cosmos is maintained by an infinite number of reciprocating singularities, big bang, expansion, contraction, singularity - like bubbles forming and popping in a pan of stew
[10:04:37] <rmu> maybe.... or maybe not
[10:06:10] <rmu> current thinking is the expansion of the universe is accelerating
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[10:07:21] <gloops> are we talking faster than E?
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[10:08:01] <gloops> err C
[10:08:45] <rmu> no of course not
[10:09:04] <gloops> it was thought that quasars on the outside of the universe were travelling faster than C, this seems to be have explained though
[10:10:05] <rmu> that was a distortion by ignorant press
[10:12:34] <skunkworks> I can't wait until we have quantum entanglment communication...
[10:13:02] <gloops> rmu probably an a distortion in the observation
[10:13:04] <rmu> skunkworks: why
[10:13:29] <skunkworks> faster than light communication. (pie in the sky)
[10:13:35] <rmu> gloops: nothing disallows causally disconnected objects to have relative speeds greater than lightspeed
[10:13:44] <rmu> skunkworks: no faster than light communication
[10:13:59] <rmu> skunkworks: that would not make sense because receiver would receive signal befor it was sent
[10:16:08] <gloops> not a paradox in QM
[10:16:42] <rmu> things like quantum tunneling or this entanglement stuff that appear to happen "instantly" (even that is debatable) can't be used to transmit information (at least not faster than light)
[10:17:01] <skunkworks> aww - come on!
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[10:18:11] <rmu> if c was not that "hard limit" that it is, nothing of electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that is the foundation of modern technology would work like it does
[10:19:21] <skunkworks> but it seems like it should work ;)
[10:19:31] <gloops> difficult to claim it is just an appearance, as that suggest there are missing variables - a theorem proves there are no missing variables
[10:20:28] <rmu> gloops: it seems you make a connection between quasars and "hidden variable" theory of QM and bell's inequality
[10:20:48] <rmu> gloops: but quasars have nothing to do with "hidden variables"
[10:22:38] <gloops> i was talking about the behaviour of quarks
[10:23:40] <rmu> quasar = "quasi stellar" object, probly bit galaxies very far away with a real monster black hole in the middle (billions of sun masses)
[10:24:37] <rmu> quark = "elementary" particle, fermion, what most ordinary stuff is made of
[10:25:13] <gloops> yes i am familiar with the terms
[10:29:32] <gloops> well, im off to pick some fruit and get away from the politics over here, the antics in the RATS NEST they call parliament is depressing
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[10:32:24] <JT-Shop> I need to make a copy of the discovery 308 dos hard drive
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[10:39:50] <slipalong> Hi Gloops are you a located in UK?
[10:39:57] <cradek> JT-Shop: seems like you could just plug in a second disk, format and sys it, and xcopy the files. with dos making a new boot disk was pretty easy.
[10:44:37] <JT-Shop> thanks
[10:45:01] <JT-Shop> oh and I need to email the files to a guy with a dead discovery 308
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[10:46:12] <skunkworks> I might use clonezilla...
[10:46:27] <jdh> I would use Ghost.
[10:46:40] <skunkworks> is ghost still a thing?
[10:46:51] <skunkworks> that was nortons - wasn't it?
[10:47:10] <slipalong> clonezilla is open source live CD.
[10:47:12] <jdh> yeah. I have a bunch of ghost boot disks
[10:47:17] <skunkworks> heh
[10:47:42] <JT-Shop> I have a ghost floppy somewhere
[10:47:51] <JT-Shop> and I've used clonezilla before
[10:47:53] <slipalong> you can probably make a bootable USB if you down have ye oldie DVD player
[10:48:06] <JT-Shop> and I'm making a bunch of 1 minute cycle time parts :)
[10:49:10] <JT-Shop> and the motherboard is a 386
[11:05:11] <cradek> haha yeah just boot your 386 from cd
[11:06:53] <skunkworks> heh
[11:07:21] <rmu> dd would work
[11:07:57] <rmu> or mtools
[11:08:46] <cradek> you can't boot linux on a 386 in any straightforward way
[11:09:46] <rmu> you could with 20 year old linux distro ;)
[11:11:24] <skunkworks> (I would move the hd to other hardware... )
[11:11:59] <skunkworks> I assume it is ide - boot it in some other hardware that will allow an image to be made.
[11:11:59] <rmu> if it is an IDE or SCSI disk some usb adapter might work to access the disk, but i have never seen such a thing for shugart
[11:12:24] <rmu> st506
[11:12:28] <skunkworks> But we have shelves and shelves of old hardware that helps...
[11:13:48] <jdh> I have old stuff running, but no st506
[11:14:26] <jdh> I do have a pair of pdp 11/73 running production 24/7
[11:14:47] <rmu> what kind of production?
[11:18:47] <jdh> ultrasonic weld inspection
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[11:25:32] * JT-Shop never could get linux to work until the EMC2 LiveCD came out... must be brain dead
[11:26:33] <cradek> JT-Shop: what kind of disk is it?
[11:27:37] <rmu> jdh: you are not afraid of hardware problems? machine seems to be 30+ years old
[11:27:47] <JT-Shop> some kind of solid state disk
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[11:38:10] <jdh> rmu: they are old, but some if the best built machines ever.
[11:38:24] <jdh> and I have spares. a
[11:38:43] <jdh> and a slow plan to replace them.
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[11:51:45] <cradek> JT-Shop: funky. wonder what interface.
[11:52:11] <cradek> if it's old, I bet it's tiny, a couple MB at most
[11:52:36] <JT-Shop> IIRC an IDE
[11:52:39] <cradek> you could send your friend a dos boot floppy and a dos backup (probably a few more floppies)
[11:53:08] <cradek> anything else seems like it would be tricky to get running
[11:53:14] <JT-Shop> yea, I see it is running DOS 6.22 so msbackup is there
[11:53:27] <JT-Shop> going to do a backup now
[11:53:44] <gregcnc> google returns this: https://www.cnczone.com
[11:53:50] <gregcnc> i wonder who that is
[11:54:42] <JT-Shop> yea that's my drive
[11:55:11] <cradek> cool, it's ide
[11:55:20] <gregcnc> I bought a similar 8GB DOM to replace an HDD in a 1999 pc based machine
[11:55:38] <cradek> now all you need is to find some vintage <320MB IDE drives
[11:55:46] <gregcnc> ebay
[11:56:02] <gregcnc> still made I think
[11:56:04] <JT-Shop> I'd bet I have some
[11:56:07] <cradek> but maybe you could format a bigger one 320MB? not sure
[11:56:31] <cradek> for a while some bigger ones had jumpers to limit them to that size
[11:56:35] <gregcnc> Another machine I converted to a CF adapter
[11:57:45] <gregcnc> and moved a W98 10GB HDD to a 4GB CF using gparted I think, and it worked fine.
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[11:59:23] <gregcnc> https://www.ebay.com
[12:00:33] <gregcnc> there used to be quite a few Transcend DOM in the last couple years. Maybe they aren't int he game anymore
[12:02:19] <gregcnc> Is that OS that much more complicated to get going than a winduhs install?
[12:02:37] <cradek> dos6? much less complicated
[12:04:21] <JT-Shop> I still have my DOS 6.22 install disks
[12:04:45] <gregcnc> if cloning a drive not an issue right? or did you lose a drive?
[12:05:42] <JT-Shop> someone in south america had his hard drive die
[12:05:53] <JT-Shop> just trying to get him back up and running
[12:07:43] <cradek> you're a hero
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[12:10:20] <JT-Shop> probably a good idea to have a backup of my machine...
[12:10:39] <cradek> oh yes
[12:10:55] <cradek> and a second backup in south america, haha
[12:11:31] <JT-Shop> and a third on my NAS
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[12:47:51] <IchGucksLive> hi
[12:53:33] <hazzy-lab> LOL: designer: Fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server :0.0.
[12:54:00] <hazzy-lab> Since when is a fatal error a Success?
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[13:11:08] <IchGucksLive> its getting summer this weekend ;-.(
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[13:26:37] <IchGucksLive> im off Gn8
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[13:30:10] <Tecan> https://www.thingiverse.com made this gcode parser today
[13:35:29] <hazzy-lab> Tecan: Nice. Is the point to let the print cool a bit between layers?
[13:36:01] <hazzy-lab> How is the stealth printer coming along?
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[13:45:13] <gloops> clash of the titans kicking off soon for football fans
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[14:27:14] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i've run dos on new hardware so it still works
[14:27:23] <Tom_L> just made a small partition
[14:27:51] <Tom_L> and still have the original 6.22 if you need it
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[14:32:22] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I have the 6.22 disks, how small did you make a partition?
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[14:49:33] <Tom_L> i don't remember now
[14:49:48] <Tom_L> i did it just to see if it would run
[14:50:49] <Tom_L> 20-30Meg should be plenty for that i would think
[14:51:32] <Tom_L> 2G is max for dos
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[14:56:01] <amxen> hey any mach3 users
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[14:57:44] <MrHindsight> amxen: most here are ex- or never mach users
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[14:58:10] <MrHindsight> amxen: do you want to learn how to move to a better CNC controller?
[14:58:20] <hazzy-lab> amxen: Once upon a time, yes
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[14:59:13] <amxen> ok im having trouble
[14:59:34] <amxen> i just want to get my cnc work first
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[15:00:25] <amxen> im using this board
[15:00:28] <amxen> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[15:01:02] <amxen> but i have no out put . i think is todo with enable but i think it need setting up in mach3
[15:01:43] <MrHindsight> have you tried contacting the dealer that sold you mach3?
[15:01:44] <amxen> its connected to pin 14 .
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[15:02:42] <amxen> no i was hoping to sort it out alittle easyer than that
[15:03:17] <gloops> just install linuxcnc it will be working in 5 minutes
[15:04:25] <MrHindsight> me want an extruder for thermoplastics like this https://youtu.be
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[15:05:03] <gloops> amxen you need to test the parport
[15:05:22] <MrHindsight> lay a ~5mm x 1mm bead
[15:06:21] <MrHindsight> why nobody make and sell?
[15:06:31] <gloops> you must have the port enabled in windows, go to ports and see if you can see the port
[15:06:44] <gloops> it needs the mach 3 drivers installed - check the driver
[15:07:09] <amxen> iv tested im getting input but no out put. iv replaced the bob as we thought it was that but still the same
[15:07:17] <gloops> mach 3 doesnt do this itself
[15:07:39] <gloops> you got the 5v supply from usb
[15:07:53] <amxen> iv tested my pp im getting 3.7v dc on 2345678
[15:08:07] <amxen> yer 5v from the usb now
[15:08:23] <gloops> its in - France
[15:09:20] <gloops> you set the pins up in mach3, active low
[15:09:24] <amxen> im sure its to do with enable . thats conected to pin 14 and im thinking i need to activate it in mach3 but not sure how
[15:11:17] <gloops> pin 14 is the relay
[15:12:50] <MrHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com
[15:13:26] <amxen> thats where the instructions say to put enable . so do i just go to ports and pins and enable pin 14 as active low
[15:14:19] <gloops> well try it, but nothing is connected to the relay
[15:15:40] <amxen> this is what im doing
[15:15:42] <amxen> https://www.youtube.com
[15:17:11] <gloops> ok, this is a process of elimination
[15:17:40] <gloops> signal goes from mach3 > parport> breakout board > driver > motor
[15:17:59] <gloops> we need to know where the signal stops
[15:18:33] <amxen> its going to the bob input then thats it
[15:18:55] <amxen> i get 3.7 v dc in the bob input side
[15:18:58] <gloops> youre sure that is the signal - it fluctates when you jog the axis
[15:19:32] <amxen> i get 3.7v dc left then down to 0v rite
[15:20:39] <amxen> if i jog left its goes upto 3.7v dc then i jog rite it goes down to 3.7v dc
[15:20:54] <amxen> sorry 0v rite
[15:21:21] <gloops> and this is not repeated on the output side
[15:21:33] <amxen> but there is nothing on the out put side
[15:21:49] <gloops> so the bob is not powered/grounded
[15:22:13] <amxen> the bob is getting its power from the usb now
[15:22:56] <amxen> all i have now is the bob connected to the pc with a pp lead and a usb lead
[15:23:14] <gloops> green light?
[15:23:48] <amxen> yer green lights 2 of them in the centre
[15:25:42] <gloops> when you test the output pin, say pin 3, you are grounding the multimeter to the PCgnd pin?
[15:29:06] <XXCoder> wow all boys and coach is out!
[15:29:20] <gloops> actually pin 17 is relay
[15:29:59] <amxen> i test from pin 2 to pin 3
[15:30:04] <amxen> is that correct
[15:30:37] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: how long until the movie is out?
[15:30:45] <gloops> try pin3 to PCgnd
[15:30:45] <amxen> or should i be going to ground
[15:30:56] <amxen> ok one min
[15:30:57] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: who do they send the bill to?
[15:31:02] <XXCoder> what it's already out on dvd
[15:34:14] <gloops> google checking parport in mach3/windows LPT1
[15:34:18] <gloops> http://hobbycncaustralia.com
[15:34:46] <gloops> theres rarely an of this with linuxcnc
[15:34:52] <amxen> ok it was me brain fart
[15:35:22] <amxen> we have voltage 5.1v dc put its not changing when i jog
[15:35:25] <gloops> well, what did you find?
[15:35:41] <gloops> so..now we're finally getting some place
[15:35:49] <amxen> yes
[15:36:52] <amxen> all i need to do now is get it to change the voltage when jog now
[15:38:22] <gloops> watch this - testing parallel port https://www.youtube.com
[15:38:54] <gloops> this will determine if the port is enabled and the signal is getting there
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[15:43:18] <MrHindsight> never forget! https://www.history.com
[15:43:59] <XXCoder> Geez yet another racist harasses foreign lady wearing shirt with flag from Puerto Rico.
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[15:44:40] <Wolf_> more like drunk idiot while worthless cop watches and does nothing
[15:44:54] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: officer is under investigation
[15:45:04] <MrHindsight> yeah we have lots of drunk idiots here
[15:45:04] <XXCoder> cop actually helped in this case. He was removed from parrk
[15:45:16] <Wolf_> the first cop
[15:45:27] <Wolf_> not the ones who show up 20-30 mins later
[15:45:31] <XXCoder> but key word is that he thought Puerto Rico is not in usa.
[15:45:42] <Wolf_> well, its not
[15:45:44] <MrHindsight> yeah it's doubtful they will screen police departments for racists
[15:46:10] <XXCoder> people there is usa citzens.
[15:46:26] <XXCoder> it may not be a state but it IS part of usa.
[15:46:29] <Wolf_> doesnt matter what the guy was spewing out, he was still drunk and disorderly and cop did nothing
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[15:46:50] <XXCoder> wolf didnt you read? I said drunk guy was booted out
[15:46:53] <gloops> yes been a big RAF do today
[15:47:17] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: yes, but it took a different officer
[15:47:29] <MrHindsight> the video doesn't show that part
[15:47:31] <amxen> yes im getting voltage on the pins from the pp 3.7 v so all is good from there
[15:47:32] <Wolf_> XXCoder: I saw the vid of it, when the video started, there was a officer there watching the whole thing
[15:47:44] * Tecan >>> Auto-op est suspendu...
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[15:47:46] <Wolf_> and did nothing
[15:48:16] <XXCoder> first one apparent;y
[15:48:30] <Wolf_> 2 other officers showed up to the scene after her family arrived and called 911
[15:48:33] <MrHindsight> the news story didn't get into details if the office is just a lazy type, a racist or both
[15:48:34] <gloops> 'never, in the field of human conflict, was so much owed, by so many, to so few'
[15:49:41] <gloops> amxen and the parport pin voltages change as you jog about
[15:50:04] <gloops> not just steady voltages
[15:50:11] <amxen> yes mate changes from 3.7 v to 0v
[15:50:12] <MrHindsight> gloops: thats when speeches were speeches, and dancin was dancin
[15:50:42] <gloops> well im at a loss - someone else might help
[15:50:55] <Wolf_> put a scope on it lol
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[15:51:04] <gloops> my advice - install linuxcnc and put these problems behind you
[15:51:09] <Wolf_> or that
[15:52:01] <amxen> how will that help . i dont want to go to all that trouble then find out its not fixed the problem
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[15:53:45] <gloops> i cant see how if you are getting signals to the bob, the bob is powered, why the signals wont cross the bob
[15:53:46] <Wolf_> running to stepper driver right?
[15:53:57] <MrHindsight> amxen: does you get a voltage change on the inputs sides to the BOB when you done jog?
[15:54:06] <gloops> Belgium - OUT
[15:54:16] <MrHindsight> darn
[15:54:38] <Wolf_> amxen: take a pic of how you have bob hooked up to the stepper drives
[15:55:14] <amxen> like this
[15:55:15] <Wolf_> my guess is something is overlooked in hook up
[15:55:16] <amxen> https://www.youtube.com
[15:55:58] <MrHindsight> amxen: yeah, that was drawn by somebody else
[15:56:08] <gloops> mach3 - espcially the warez edition...always doesnt find the parport
[15:56:10] <amxen> i get input voltage change from 3.7v dc down to 0v dc when i jog
[15:56:20] <MrHindsight> we need to know what you actually did
[15:56:22] <amxen> but the out put stays at 5.1 v dc
[15:56:31] <Wolf_> you have power hooked to the bob, like via the usb?
[15:57:13] <amxen> yes 5v usb
[15:57:58] <MrHindsight> so will France surrender before the finals?
[15:58:06] <Wolf_> lol MrHindsight
[15:58:40] <Wolf_> I dont know how mach3 configs, do you need to set stepper to source or sink?
[15:59:15] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com lol
[15:59:47] <MrHindsight> https://www.history.com
[16:01:53] <tjb1> MrHindsight: you ever use a lattepanda?
[16:03:10] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: Regulated Metal Deposition (Welding)
[16:03:25] <XXCoder> yeah though his is massive hack lol
[16:04:49] <XXCoder> if he could use milling also, then it could be adder-subtractive machining
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[16:06:15] <MrHindsight> tjb1: nope, Intel shmintel
[16:07:35] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: yes, that process actually makes very good and precise parts
[16:08:06] <XXCoder> indeed. and also super expensive
[16:08:17] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com
[16:08:30] <XXCoder> ya what i was thinking
[16:08:31] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: only due to the patent protection
[16:09:04] <MrHindsight> metal powder printing has about a zillion patents
[16:09:26] <XXCoder> in other words, 1% of cellphone patents
[16:09:33] <MrHindsight> yeah :)
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[16:12:48] <Tom_shop> ok, mill column retrammed
[16:13:01] <XXCoder> skimmer in 2 seconds https://youtu.be
[16:13:12] <Tom_shop> may or may not have bumped something. not gonna admit to anything :)
[16:19:46] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I did a msbackup of the whole drive
[16:20:00] <JT-Shop> I think the other guys machine is the same
[16:22:24] <Tom_shop> i'd do an xcopy instead of backup personally
[16:22:40] <Tom_shop> or both
[16:23:34] <Tom_shop> i've had msbackup that spanned multiple disks go all sorts of wrong
[16:23:46] <Tom_shop> in your case since it's on a hdd may be ok
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[16:24:47] <JT-Shop> I'd like to build a pc that I can install dos 6.22 on and test the backup
[16:24:58] <JT-Shop> I did make a copy of the floppies on the NAS
[16:26:11] <Tom_shop> using a blank hdd?
[16:26:39] <Tom_shop> just make a 1g partition and 'sys C:'
[16:26:47] <Tom_shop> then start copying
[16:27:07] <Tom_shop> do it on a ssd if you wanna be amazed :D
[16:28:50] <MrHindsight> https://youtu.be doing similar only onto fabrics and films using thermoplastics and hot melts
[16:33:10] <Tecan> https://www.thingiverse.com RTTTL2GCODE.py
[16:33:38] <ziper> here is the lathe i looked at
[16:33:39] <ziper> https://imgur.com
[16:34:04] <ziper> check out the little sliver of iron holding it together
[16:35:02] <Rab> ziper, oh dear
[16:35:41] <Rab> I guess the slab is an integral part of the lathe.
[16:35:49] <Tecan> might make a version that plays music while printing
[16:36:11] <ziper> I wonder how much accuracy suffers
[16:36:14] <MrHindsight> #reprap has improved, just heard about this https://3dplatform.com from that channel
[16:36:16] <ziper> it can't exactly be rigid
[16:36:38] <ziper> considering that the price is only 1000 i'm thinking about bolting it back together
[16:37:01] <MrHindsight> it's designed to flex before it shears
[16:37:26] <MrHindsight> say you have a very unbalanced part in it
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[16:38:54] <MrHindsight> or it could feature a quick change saddle
[16:40:55] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:41:38] <ziper> no, i'm pretty sure they cut it
[16:41:48] <Rab> ziper, I guess you could do that, and live with the shortened bed.
[16:41:53] <ziper> you can see a bandsaw slot where they started it
[16:44:59] <Rab> I assume they made the cut for clearance, but if they were able to clear the remaining bed material on one side then it's strange/sad that they cut the other side through.
[16:48:16] <amxen> about to give up on this
[16:48:19] <MrHindsight> maybe mounted off center
[16:49:01] <hazzy-lab> ziper: Some of the US navy ships had lathes with separate beds that could be slid away from the head to make a gap that went all the way to the floor
[16:49:14] <hazzy-lab> There was a sort of sub-bed made from steel (actually part of the ship) that the headstock and bed mounded to and slid on
[16:49:36] <hazzy-lab> A local shop has one, and since it did not come with the ship they just have the headstock and bed bolted to the slab separately, its not terribly accurate, but for what they use it for it works just fine
[16:49:51] <ziper> was there any issue with collinearity?
[16:50:35] <hazzy-lab> Yes, they have to tweak the leveling screws every so often, its not perfect, but good enough
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[17:02:17] <Wolf_> with that much bed, would it be possible to re mount the head to the ways
[17:04:11] <ziper> thats what we were looking at
[17:04:26] <ziper> it was hard to tell with the inch of crap coating everything
[17:04:39] <Wolf_> lol true
[17:05:10] <Wolf_> have to figure its not all one piece
[17:05:24] <ziper> but it looks like the part of the headstock above the bed would, but the part underneath would require some real work
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[17:13:17] <Rab> ziper, seems like it would be difficult to move without cracking that link. If you were committed to remounting the headstock, might want to go ahead and cut it for convenience.
[17:13:37] <ziper> i'd rather bolt it back together
[17:14:12] <Wolf_> blah here I try to be super lazy but thingiverse customizer wont let me
[17:14:22] <MrHindsight> easy enough to realign with a cheap laser
[17:14:55] <MrHindsight> maybe the lathe comes with the concrete slab below it
[17:15:45] <Rab> Just buy the building too. Ready to work!
[17:16:25] <MrHindsight> ziper: how long is that lathe?
[17:16:33] <ziper> 16ft
[17:16:48] <MrHindsight> so plenty of bed left
[17:17:04] <ziper> do you think its worth getting? I just need to measure the trailer to make sure there is enough room for it and the forklift
[17:17:42] <MrHindsight> it will most likely snap when moved unless you support that gap
[17:17:58] <gloops> did arekm get sorted?
[17:18:04] <Rab> Worth getting if you have a huge shop and want to machine huge things, but are on a shoestring budget.
[17:20:05] <MrHindsight> how much is a lathe worth with a broken or bent bed?
[17:20:49] <MrHindsight> good enough for drive shaft work
[17:21:08] <gloops> a bent bed?
[17:21:09] <MrHindsight> or knocking the rust off pipes
[17:21:44] <ziper> about 10 cents a pound?
[17:21:51] <gloops> you can straighten it with a flame
[17:22:50] <MrHindsight> make a 3d printer out of it
[17:23:07] <MrHindsight> make custom plastic rollers
[17:23:42] <ziper> MrHindsight, did you think it was possible to move the headstock over onto the good part of the bed?
[17:23:49] <ziper> and does that ways wear look normal?
[17:25:09] <MrHindsight> http://mengesroller.com
[17:25:23] <MrHindsight> pics to fuzzy to tell
[17:25:50] <MrHindsight> needz more pixels
[17:27:09] <MrHindsight> high precision not required https://www.youtube.com
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[17:30:02] <MrHindsight> or this https://www.youtube.com
[17:30:24] <MrHindsight> Laser Metal Deposition/Laser Cladding Machine
[17:31:02] <MrHindsight> perfect donor lathe for this
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[17:32:15] <ziper> i dont want to make those things
[17:32:40] <MrHindsight> build one a sall it
[17:32:43] <MrHindsight> sell it
[17:33:12] <ziper> I do want a filament winder but i feel like it would be extremely the wrong donor machine for that
[17:33:37] <Rab> ziper, do you need a 16' lathe, or do you just need any lathe?
[17:33:55] <ziper> 10 ft would be good enough
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[17:34:17] <ziper> but this one has a taper attachment and screw cutting gearbox and everything
[17:37:02] <gloops> link ziper
[17:37:18] <gloops> i will cast the turners over it
[17:37:53] <gloops> turners eye
[17:37:59] <gloops> thats should have been
[17:41:54] <ziper> gloops, https://imgur.com https://miami.craigslist.org
[17:43:15] <gloops> hey blondie..
[17:44:06] <MrHindsight> https://images.craigslist.org
[17:44:14] <gloops> yes looks fine to me
[17:44:24] <gloops> big lathe for garage
[17:45:04] <gloops> what you can tell is bed wear and headstock bearings wear
[17:45:09] <gloops> cant
[17:46:19] <gloops> it does look like its been de-greased, steamed or something
[17:46:42] <ziper> gloops, what about the giant chunk missing
[17:46:46] <hazzy-lab> gloops: you did notice that the bed is cut nearly thru at the headstock
[17:46:52] <hazzy-lab> ?
[17:47:41] <gloops> thats how it was cast isnt it?
[17:50:57] <gloops> although does look slightly unusual i have to admit
[17:52:11] <Wolf_> sawzall gap bed
[17:52:38] <hazzy-lab> or maybe somebody started to scrap it ...
[17:52:39] <gloops> lot of old lathes were made like that http://www.lathes.co.uk
[17:53:05] <gloops> surely youd cut the end of the bed off first
[17:53:09] <hazzy-lab> Yeah, but this was not a gap bed originally, lol
[17:53:37] <gloops> it doesnt appear so
[17:54:28] <gloops> so the search continues ziper
[17:54:38] <hazzy-lab> The odd thing is that the gap they cut does not look wide enough to be very useful on that size of lathe
[17:54:55] <ziper> they were turning turbines
[17:55:09] <ziper> i don't know why they would do that on a 12ft bed
[17:55:34] <gloops> for the swing
[17:55:39] <gloops> faceplate
[17:55:49] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[17:55:51] <Wolf_> flanged shafting
[17:56:19] <gloops> you wouldnt want a 10 foot shaft in that, not now
[17:56:37] <gloops> im not entirely convinced that is cutting anyway, does it say it is?
[17:57:45] <ziper> its got like 2 cuts next to it that were false starts
[17:58:46] <gloops> ok, thanks for looking closely for me, lol
[17:59:35] <unterhausen> maybe they wanted to face turn something large
[18:00:10] <gloops> 10 minutes madness with a stihl saw - another good old machine departs this world
[18:00:25] <Wolf_> I say cut a chunk off the back end of the bed and make it a gap bed
[18:01:12] <ziper> I mean, could I just cut it and align it later and bolt it back together?
[18:01:48] <Wolf_> imo look at what $$ could be made off parting it out as well
[18:02:42] <gloops> no chance
[18:02:44] <hazzy-lab> It might be possible to take the headstock off, slide the bed down and mount the head back on it. Depending on how the head is mounted it might be pretty easy
[18:03:03] <gloops> like they wouldnt have done it?
[18:03:08] <Wolf_> its all possible
[18:03:26] <ziper> i don't want to part it out anyway
[18:03:53] <Wolf_> thats just a CYA thing so your not out the full price of the lathe
[18:05:24] <gloops> 12 foot bed needs perfect alignment
[18:05:56] <gloops> 1 degree out = 60mm at the other end
[18:06:06] <ziper> just stick a laser in the tailstock
[18:06:32] <hazzy-lab> It does not need a tapper attachment, lol
[18:06:42] <hazzy-lab> just shift the bed
[18:06:52] <ziper> lol
[18:08:29] <MrHindsight> http://www.soliforum.com it's not just for lasers anymore
[18:08:39] <hazzy-lab> ziper: do you have equipment to move a machine that big? If you end up spending more than you pay for it to get it moved then its is probably best to move on, if you can move it yourself and have a place to put it then you can't loose much. Its not worth more than $500 ...
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[18:09:11] <ziper> yeah, its going at my friends shop, he has a trailer and forklift
[18:09:17] <ziper> but you really think its only worth 500?
[18:09:39] <MrHindsight> need more better close up pics
[18:10:03] <hazzy-lab> I don't know were you are, but here it would be worth 500 tops
[18:10:12] <sync> it is worth the scrap price
[18:10:17] <gloops> yes
[18:10:27] <MrHindsight> $ + a bowl of soup or a cap
[18:10:35] <gloops> you pay the scrap value - if you get anything going its a bonus
[18:11:37] <ziper> check out this valuable and historic machine https://miami.craigslist.org
[18:12:27] <Wolf_> has southbend in the name, its gonna be over priced
[18:12:34] <gloops> so $4300 sentimental value
[18:13:10] <ziper> https://miami.craigslist.org
[18:14:25] <gloops> big
[18:14:41] <MrHindsight> outdoor tanning bed lathe
[18:15:53] <MrHindsight> if you interesting call
[18:16:15] <MrHindsight> boring people need not call
[18:17:19] <hazzy-lab> Not a lathe, but tempting: https://atlanta.craigslist.org
[18:17:56] <MrHindsight> https://miami.craigslist.org $1400
[18:18:09] <MrHindsight> https://miami.craigslist.org $1200
[18:19:15] <ziper> the craftsman looks ok, but the other one looks straight out of china
[18:19:18] <ziper> and rather small
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[18:20:44] <gloops> emco
[18:21:05] <MrHindsight> https://tampa.craigslist.org
[18:21:12] <gloops> not all chinese stuff is total rubbish, ive got a swordfish vice which is pretty sturdy
[18:21:48] <gloops> does look like the mold melted though
[18:21:54] <MrHindsight> https://tampa.craigslist.org
[18:22:08] <MrHindsight> $900
[18:23:03] <MrHindsight> close ups of everything except for the bed
[18:23:27] <gloops> 900 for a basket case?
[18:24:19] <MrHindsight> heh, I find it amusing how you judge machines
[18:24:41] <MrHindsight> wish you had a reality show
[18:25:29] <gloops> it pays to be cynical when buying, usually
[18:25:40] <hazzy-lab> The parts are in baskets, but it might be a decent lathe, and saves the trouble of taking it apart to clean it up!
[18:26:31] <gloops> how much is one worth assembled?
[18:27:10] <hazzy-lab> $22000 for a very rare vertical BP lathe: https://jacksonville.craigslist.org
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[18:27:22] <MrHindsight> anyone ever rework one of these for precision? https://spacecoast.craigslist.org
[18:27:56] <MrHindsight> hand scraped and new bearings etc
[18:28:44] <`Wolf> I have one of those…
[18:28:45] <hazzy-lab> MrHindsight: I scraped mine in, it is buttery soothe and accurate, as long as all I cut is delrin, but it is very limber
[18:29:00] <`Wolf> not scraped in tho
[18:29:04] <MrHindsight> just to flexible
[18:29:10] <gloops> the first review i read said 'forget thread cutting'
[18:29:13] <hazzy-lab> I even cut steel gears for mine, what a waste of time, lol
[18:29:15] <gloops> so i didnt buy one
[18:29:19] <`Wolf> I did put teflon gibs in the crosslide
[18:29:32] <`Wolf> carriage I mean
[18:29:43] <hazzy-lab> gloops: I have cut 6tpi worm on mine
[18:29:43] <MrHindsight> "Ideal for small plastic parts"
[18:30:07] <`Wolf> I cut a ball screw end with mine
[18:30:21] <gloops> hazzy-lab im sure its capable in the right hands
[18:30:36] <MrHindsight> I've seen them at HF
[18:30:53] <MrHindsight> oil holes not drilled through
[18:31:13] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[18:32:08] <`Wolf> couldn’t pay me to try that again with that machine tho
[18:32:58] <gloops> U.S. to list tariffs on another $200 billion of Chinese products: Bloomberg https://reut.rs
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[18:33:23] <gloops> everybody will be after the old machines soon, chinese stuff going to dry up
[18:34:42] <MrHindsight> just put tariffs on everything going to Walmart
[18:35:52] <hazzy-lab> https://i.imgur.com
[18:36:33] <gloops> that looks fine
[18:36:56] <hazzy-lab> They are cute lathes: https://i.imgur.com
[18:37:02] <MrHindsight> Chinese QC inspector
[18:38:02] <gloops> that looks fine for USA - ship!
[18:38:15] <hazzy-lab> LOL
[18:38:35] <hazzy-lab> That worm was to mesh with this: https://i.imgur.com
[18:38:40] <hazzy-lab> case from soda cans
[18:38:44] <hazzy-lab> cast
[18:38:59] <hazzy-lab> Back when I had more time :D
[18:39:28] <gloops> all good clean work, what was it for?
[18:39:42] <MrHindsight> were the Emco's any better? http://www.nielsmachines.com
[18:40:38] <gloops> they go mad on those on ebay - especially with the milling attachment
[18:40:47] <hazzy-lab> I had forgot how much I did with that lathe! https://i.imgur.com
[18:41:49] <hazzy-lab> gloops: for a dividing head: https://i.imgur.com
[18:41:55] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[18:42:14] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[18:42:16] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com that was fun
[18:42:39] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[18:42:48] <hazzy-lab> Nice wolf!
[18:42:57] <MrHindsight> Wolf_: so it's made of some sort of ferrous metal
[18:42:58] <`Wolf> stupid micro mill lead screws had no bearings what so ever on them
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[18:44:27] <hazzy-lab> Lots of chips! https://i.imgur.com
[18:44:41] <`Wolf> lol
[18:45:01] <`Wolf> i can hear that motor bogging looking at the pic
[18:45:47] <hazzy-lab> yes! I had to crank it by hand sometimes
[18:46:08] <hazzy-lab> Almost finished: https://i.imgur.com
[18:46:14] <`Wolf> haha, I can’t count the number of times I popped the fuse on mine
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[18:47:06] <hazzy-lab> What fuse? LOL, I put a bit of brass rod in place of the fuse the day I got mine :D
[18:47:14] <`Wolf> lmao
[18:47:28] <`Wolf> I got mine used
[18:48:16] <`Wolf> upside down photo https://i.imgur.com but I bet you’ll know what it is
[18:48:58] <`Wolf> actually the lathe was upside down lol
[18:49:39] <Loetmichel_> hazzy-dev: i had a worker do that on his lathe... the main 63A diazed fuses kept burning... so he made a few out of steel... on his 8m diameter caroussell lathe... bad thing: the reason the fuses tripped was a bad motor winding... the company ended up with a molten lump of copper and aluminim that once was a 60kW three phase motor...
[18:49:51] <Lcvette> log
[18:49:51] <c-log> Lcvette: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[18:57:21] <`Wolf> time to find out how bad these $2/ea ER16 collets are =D
[18:59:00] <`Wolf> hmm, can’t tell if the collet is running out or the drill bit is bent
[19:00:55] <JT-Shop> $2 collets and 50¢ drill bit...
[19:01:22] <`Wolf> bits are morse
[19:02:27] <`Wolf> well, not the one that is in there right now, its just marked C-L USA
[19:04:13] <JT-Shop> ah drill in the tail stock?
[19:06:18] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[19:08:30] <`Wolf> I have a crap load of NOS tooling, morse, trw, greenfield, cleveland twist drill
[19:12:14] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com right side box is #68-#1, left box is 1/2”-1/16” in 64th steps
[19:14:35] <`Wolf> I have a load of stuff I’ll probably never use… like how often am I going to tap a #0-80 thread...
[19:15:21] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[19:15:43] <SpeedEvil> Then you have to add on 'today that can't wait for shipping by tomorrow'
[19:18:48] <`Wolf> its almost handy having all this stuff, but I still manage to need something I don’t have lol
[19:20:38] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com all that, had to order a 5/16-36 tap a few weeks ago lol
[19:21:51] <`Wolf> and of course thats all imperial thread, and over half the stuff I work on is metic…
[19:21:55] <`Wolf> metric*
[19:25:11] <MrHindsight> https://postimg.cc for things like this
[19:26:29] <`Wolf> what the heck is that
[19:27:35] <`Wolf> acme thread on one side and super fine pitch on the other, how does that work
[19:28:04] <MrHindsight> microscope stage
[19:28:16] <MrHindsight> one side is covered by a spring
[19:28:46] <`Wolf> ooh not a acme thread, guy I bought my shop from made electron microscope parts
[19:29:15] <SpeedEvil> Polishing electrons is hard.
[19:29:16] <MrHindsight> the fine thread is the thread, the other is the spring that looks like a thread but is not
[19:29:46] <MrHindsight> SpeedEvil: ever try to get them to hold still?
[19:30:11] <`Wolf> hah
[19:30:40] <`Wolf> on the plus side that means the lathe and mill mostly did acrylic and plastics
[19:31:00] <`Wolf> and brass
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[20:01:16] <pink_vampire> I have something similar
[20:14:45] <MrHindsight> looking for a scale that goes up to 250Kg and can hold a 70cm (24") drum
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[20:25:30] <MrHindsight> load cells are cheap on ebay
[20:39:59] <`Wolf> diy scale
[20:42:18] <MrHindsight> drum hoist with forklift
[20:42:53] <`Wolf> that works
[20:44:08] <MrHindsight> https://www.northerntool.com
[20:45:01] <pink_vampire> just get 4 strain gauges, and make a winston bridge, on a part that you machine.
[20:45:56] <pink_vampire> it is just 2 holes and slotting operation.
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[20:49:01] <`Wolf> only need a lift ring load cell for drum hoist
[20:50:30] <`Wolf> MrHindsight: if you make one be sure to show it off, might be handy to have one in my shop
[20:53:21] <MrHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[20:55:00] <MrHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[20:56:03] <`Wolf> 2000KG should work for me
[20:58:03] <`Wolf> some company makes a system that ties in to truck suspension system to give live load weight
[20:58:25] <MrHindsight> for the bed?
[20:58:27] <`Wolf> also know that they make forklifts with them built in to the fork backing plate
[20:58:33] <`Wolf> yup
[20:58:51] <MrHindsight> I have a 10K # fork lift
[20:58:52] <`Wolf> for dump trucks and flatbed
[20:59:35] <MrHindsight> don't need a scale that big though
[20:59:48] <`Wolf> I have a 8K and 5K lb forks, anything bigger we use the hook truck as a crane
[21:00:21] <`Wolf> planning to add a dual winch tow boom to a skid so I can use that as a short crane tho
[21:00:25] <MrHindsight> found this one local on ebay
[21:00:31] <MrHindsight> just needed a battery
[21:01:03] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[21:01:47] <`Wolf> got both of my forklifts for free, scrap haul away =)
[21:02:09] <`Wolf> one needed water pump, other needs a king pin and a new coil
[21:02:11] <MrHindsight> nice
[21:02:14] <`Wolf> both propane
[21:02:28] <MrHindsight> I'd like an electric for the shop
[21:02:38] <MrHindsight> for winter months or when the AC is on
[21:02:54] <`Wolf> I really need a rough terrain for my yard
[21:03:14] <MrHindsight> I have concrete and asphalt everywhere
[21:03:16] <`Wolf> they don’t like gravel lots
[21:03:29] <MrHindsight> could probably land a plane on it
[21:03:34] <`Wolf> lol
[21:07:46] <`Wolf> my shop is too small
[21:08:31] <`Wolf> and possibly going to be doing hook lift installs for peter built dealer… I have a feeling those aren’t fitting in the garage bay
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[22:46:38] <MrHindsight> https://postimg.cc what would you expect to pay for this at the register?
[22:47:21] <pink_vampire> 75
[22:47:28] <pink_vampire> + tax
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[23:30:26] <`Wolf> trick question?
[23:36:24] <`Wolf> lmao, something isnt right, product photo fail… http://a.co
[23:37:39] <hazzy-lab> MrHindsight: $115
[23:38:41] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: LOL, you'd think somebody would have caught that
[23:40:11] <`Wolf> you would think so right lol
[23:40:15] <hazzy-lab> MrHindsight: Ha, I did not see the price tag, that seems good, very good. At least for around here
[23:40:55] <hazzy-lab> At least they could have tried to hide it in the pictures ...
[23:41:22] <`Wolf> more I use the DRO on my lathe, I think I should have gotten two of the same like I put on my mill…
[23:46:54] <`Wolf> oh yeah, forgot the DRO display on my mill cost more then the full 3 axis kit on the lathe… lol
[23:48:58] <MrHindsight> hazzy-lab: they wanted that price + a $7.00 core
[23:49:11] <`Wolf> side tracking myself on aliexpress… I should be looking for oiler kit
[23:49:28] <`Wolf> cheap, cores here are $15
[23:50:02] <hazzy-lab> core charge is $12 at wallmart, and $15+ at FLAPS here
[23:50:24] <MrHindsight> when did they go from posting the full price with a core to the price without a core?
[23:51:08] <`Wolf> every place I use has the price then +core at checkout
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[23:51:30] <MrHindsight> this has changed
[23:51:49] <hazzy-lab> Its been a few years here, it's a pain as they only give you a few days to bring in the core, and I always forget to do it in time
[23:52:03] <`Wolf> but for most things I’ll order using advanced auto online w/ store pickup because they almost always have 15-20% off code online
[23:52:20] <MrHindsight> used to be Price - core, so say $75 posted price would be $69 if you brought a core
[23:53:08] <hazzy-lab> Right, it used to be a DISCOUNT for the core, not extra, anything to make the price look cheaper compared to the comp I guess
[23:53:08] <`Wolf> idk… I keep a few dead ones for cores in my shop lol
[23:53:28] <MrHindsight> yeah kinda slimey
[23:53:57] <hazzy-lab> very much so, i hate that kind of thing
[23:54:12] <MrHindsight> going to write the HQ
[23:54:15] <`Wolf> kinda like ebay listings shipping charges
[23:54:23] <MrHindsight> then maybe small claims court just for wasting my time
[23:55:18] <hazzy-lab> It's like the Kroger plus card, just tell me what it cost I will pay, but don't make me keep a stinking card with me all the time in case i want to shop with you
[23:55:22] <MrHindsight> I noticed that Rock Auto started doing similar but it tells you the core charge on top of the published price vs surprise at the register
[23:56:21] <hazzy-lab> ... and not get ripped off
[23:56:28] <MrHindsight> usually grocery stores will list both prices on the shelf
[23:57:03] <MrHindsight> the other day steaks were ~$7 diff per lb
[23:57:12] <hazzy-lab> That's true, they do try to be transparent
[23:57:19] <MrHindsight> $5/lb with card, $13/lb without
[23:57:36] <hazzy-lab> I know, its crazy
[23:57:40] <MrHindsight> how often do you change cards?
[23:58:11] <MrHindsight> the new place in town has a kiosk for registration...
[23:58:18] <hazzy-lab> I won't do the cards :)
[23:58:24] <MrHindsight> i used to fill out illegible cards when done by hand
[23:58:37] <hazzy-lab> Thats an idea!
[23:58:54] <`Wolf> get card, rotate what stores I use
[23:58:55] <MrHindsight> and get a new one every few months
[23:59:18] <MrHindsight> use a throw away email if they verify
[23:59:18] <`Wolf> so tracking metric shows me using their store 2x per year