#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-07-12

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[00:02:34] <`Wolf> hopefully
[00:02:53] <`Wolf> I used a abs printed one on my 7x10 lathe
[00:03:14] <roycroft> if it's as durable as the plastic ones that ship with the lathe that's great
[00:03:19] <`Wolf> plus its only for driving the feed screw
[00:03:34] <`Wolf> means it will break if something crashes
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[00:03:55] <roycroft> yes, which is the desired behavior
[00:04:06] <roycroft> especially since you can easily print a replacement
[00:04:17] <roycroft> a shear gear, if you will
[00:04:21] <`Wolf> my 12x37 was missing 3 gears and the thread dial
[00:05:08] <`Wolf> trying to figure out where you can order gears for a 1980 lathe is fun…
[00:06:34] <roycroft> my 12x37 is from the early '80s
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[00:06:46] <roycroft> there are still some parts available from jet
[00:06:55] <roycroft> and also from grizzly, who made an almost identical lathe
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[00:07:14] <roycroft> i was able to get a steady rest and follow rest from grizzly for mine
[00:07:33] <`Wolf> mine is a enco, Dar-sin taiwan
[00:07:35] <roycroft> the mounting holes are in different locations on the grizzly parts
[00:07:42] <roycroft> but they otherwise fit just fine
[00:07:43] <pfred1> sweet
[00:07:51] <`Wolf> cool
[00:08:06] <roycroft> i also was able to get some new wipers from grizzly that are a perfect fit
[00:08:13] <`Wolf> I know there is a jet model that parts are available that looks identical to this one
[00:08:18] <roycroft> so if you're looking for parts for yourse, don't just look at enco
[00:08:32] <pfred1> enco got bought out
[00:08:37] <`Wolf> and one of the grizzlies, but the tooth count doesn’t match any of their machines
[00:08:56] <`Wolf> the only thing enco on the lathe was the decal lol
[00:09:19] <pfred1> MSC owns Enco now
[00:09:34] <`Wolf> yup
[00:09:46] <pfred1> I got a hell of a deal on my scme thread off Enco
[00:09:51] <pfred1> acme thread even
[00:10:06] <pfred1> that was before they got bought out
[00:10:07] <roycroft> mce have owned enco for many years
[00:10:17] <pfred1> nah not that many
[00:10:18] <roycroft> it's just a couple years ago that they shut down the enco brand
[00:10:36] <roycroft> and promised me that they would sell me stuff for the same price as i paid at enco
[00:10:39] <roycroft> but then refused to do so
[00:10:39] <pfred1> I remember getting the notifications about it
[00:10:56] <roycroft> the exact same items went up about 30% on average
[00:11:04] <pfred1> yeah old Enco was nice
[00:11:13] <roycroft> then they lied to me and told me that the price did not go up
[00:11:31] <roycroft> even as i sat there looking at recent enco invoices
[00:11:42] <`Wolf> https://www.travers.com https://i.imgur.com
[00:11:46] <roycroft> i ended up telling them to fuck off and stop calling me and emailing me
[00:11:47] <`Wolf> pretty close
[00:12:00] <pfred1> yeah MSC are aholes
[00:12:28] <roycroft> mine is not a gear head
[00:12:28] <pfred1> that's why they're still in business they're giving everyone the business
[00:12:47] <roycroft> they never came out and said it
[00:13:06] <roycroft> but essentially they let me know that if i spend thousands of dollars/month with them i'll get the same prices i got at enco
[00:13:31] <pfred1> how generous of them
[00:13:41] <roycroft> that wilton definitely looks like an enco lathe i've seen
[00:13:44] <pfred1> the mo money plan
[00:13:59] <roycroft> it sucks
[00:14:23] <roycroft> because the only local tooling place has a "we sell crappy product from china and if it is broken/defective we won't take it back" policy
[00:14:44] <`Wolf> yeah, someone listed one on facebook and I got some pics from him of the feed speed chart that mine is missing, same gear set for the thread/feed box
[00:15:32] <roycroft> every time i've had a problem they've said to me, in almost as many words "you did not buy tooling from use. you bought some shite from china from us, and that's what you got"
[00:15:39] <roycroft> they don't sell "real" tooling
[00:15:44] <roycroft> they only sell the crap
[00:15:47] <roycroft> so i can't use them at all
[00:16:24] <roycroft> i wouldn't even mind so much if 9 out of 10 of their products was defective
[00:16:28] <pfred1> I like my crappy chinese tooling
[00:16:32] <roycroft> if i could buy 10 of them, and return the 9 defective ones
[00:16:39] <pfred1> I buy it directly from china though
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[00:16:52] <`Wolf> I get cutters from maratool or kbc now
[00:16:56] <roycroft> not all chinese tooling is crappy
[00:17:01] <pfred1> yeah i like it
[00:17:12] <`Wolf> and Shars...
[00:17:21] <roycroft> it's not the origin of the tooling with which i take issue
[00:17:31] <roycroft> it's the vendor's refusing to accept any returns, for any reason
[00:18:51] <`Wolf> if you follow any of the youtube machinists you’ll notice they never mention MSC
[00:18:52] <roycroft> so i have no local source of tooling
[00:18:58] <roycroft> enco shipped out of reno
[00:19:08] <roycroft> i usually got stuff from them the next day
[00:19:11] <roycroft> two days at most
[00:19:14] <pfred1> there's nothing local to me here
[00:19:31] <pfred1> the downside to living out in the sticks
[00:19:31] <`Wolf> mcmaster is my next day source here
[00:19:37] <roycroft> mcmaster are a week away
[00:19:46] <roycroft> and expensive
[00:19:47] <roycroft> but reliable
[00:19:53] <pfred1> there's nothing i can't afford to wait for
[00:20:07] <roycroft> and they will take anything back, no questions asked, and no restocking fees
[00:20:28] <pfred1> I just ordered some soldering tips and they emailed me said it waso n backorder I was like no problem
[00:20:40] <`Wolf> check out https://www.kbctools.com roycroft
[00:20:41] <roycroft> i'm usually pretty good at ordering far enough ahead of time that i don't have to stress over shipping time
[00:20:47] <roycroft> sometimes that does not work out though
[00:20:49] <pfred1> heck I've needed them tips for years s oa couple more weeks don't matter
[00:20:55] <roycroft> i've bought from kbc before
[00:21:25] <`Wolf> I need to order some stuff, I haven’t tried them yet but have heard good things
[00:21:30] <roycroft> my impression of them is that their quality is not quite as good on average as enco were, and their prices a little higher
[00:21:34] <`Wolf> and nothing bad yet
[00:21:38] <roycroft> but they're pretty decent
[00:21:51] <pfred1> well everything costs more now
[00:21:57] <roycroft> certainly way below msc price
[00:22:00] <`Wolf> its not MSC at least lol
[00:22:21] <pfred1> I use MSC catalogs to clean stuff on
[00:22:24] <roycroft> yeah, grizzly just added a 20% "tariff surcharge" to their stuff from mainland china
[00:22:29] <pfred1> so they're handy that way
[00:22:35] <roycroft> it's going on every item, as new shipments arrive
[00:23:00] <`Wolf> do they even sell anything not made in china ?
[00:23:16] <roycroft> yes, they sell heaps of stuff from taiwan, and also a lot of japanese and european stuff
[00:23:25] <pfred1> I wonder if horrible fright will tariff?
[00:23:36] <pfred1> isn't taiwan china?
[00:23:41] <roycroft> they'll probably just stop giving out 20% off coupons
[00:23:43] <roycroft> no
[00:23:56] <roycroft> taiwan is the republic of china
[00:24:01] <pfred1> oh that's hong kong
[00:24:05] <roycroft> mainland china is the people's repbublic of china
[00:24:15] <pfred1> yeah but taiwan belongs to china
[00:24:17] <roycroft> hong kong used to be a british colony, and is now part of the prc
[00:24:21] <`Wolf> lol I was about to say that, horrible freight will just have to start selling at the normal prices
[00:24:24] <pfred1> or at least china seems ot think so
[00:24:28] <roycroft> so claim mainland china
[00:24:53] <pfred1> there was a 100 year lease but that's run out
[00:24:53] <roycroft> what's important right now is that for trade purposes, the united states distinguishes between the prc and the roc
[00:25:04] <roycroft> and the current tariffs are only on products from the prc
[00:25:37] <roycroft> i'm not sure there's even much of a steel industry in the roc
[00:26:46] <pfred1> taiwan is number 11 on the chart
[00:27:10] <pfred1> https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:28:18] <`Wolf> wow japan has more steel production then USA…
[00:28:22] <`Wolf> thats kinda sad
[00:28:32] <pfred1> that's why we're establishing tariffs
[00:29:15] <pfred1> can't be a first world country and not produce steel
[00:29:42] * roycroft is going to stay out of the politics of the trade wars tonight
[00:29:58] <roycroft> i'm just pointing out examples of how it is affecting prices in the us
[00:30:39] <pfred1> freedom is not free
[00:31:05] * roycroft refers phred1 to the comments he made some moments ago
[00:38:10] <hazzy-lab> Some how or other we need to get the massive trade deficit with china back in line. The Chinese subsidize so much stuff I don't know what options we really have but to impose tariffs. I am normally very anti tariff, but in this situation it's probably the right thing.
[00:38:41] <pfred1> we have to fight corruption with corruption
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[00:39:19] <hazzy-lab> we have to fight it somehow :)
[00:39:55] <pfred1> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[00:40:58] <hazzy-lab> That sort of thing has been going on for a LONG time, its a shame
[00:41:32] <pfred1> why pay for R&D that you can just steal?
[00:41:47] <hazzy-lab> right!
[00:42:42] <hazzy-lab> And it makes people less likely to innovate if its just going to be stolen
[00:43:53] <pfred1> we are not going gentle into that good night
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[01:26:22] <MrHindsight> I give stuff to the Chinese that I want to buy for cheap
[01:26:41] <MrHindsight> now that cost is going to go up :(
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[01:37:41] <MrHindsight> Putin's M.O. has been destabilize, destabilize, destabilize....
[01:37:52] <MrHindsight> now you see how it works
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[02:06:59] <Tecan> https://www.youtube.com
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[02:19:06] <IchGucksLive> hi all from germany Cloudy
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[02:22:57] <IchGucksLive> morning gloops
[02:23:04] <IchGucksLive> hioe is the feeling
[02:23:09] <IchGucksLive> how
[02:23:34] <gloops> oh i wasnt so disappointed Ichs
[02:23:44] <gloops> did well to get that far
[02:23:59] <IchGucksLive> agree
[02:24:04] <gloops> we had an easy group, easy games to the final - didnt do it
[02:24:18] <gloops> we havent played anybody yet
[02:25:06] <gloops> might be a good side next time
[02:26:39] <IchGucksLive> hope is always around
[02:27:58] <gloops> maybe Croatia can win the cup
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[02:31:09] <IchGucksLive> gloops, what does this mean Coast to a Stop
[02:31:17] <IchGucksLive> simpoly run out
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[02:32:19] <gloops> yes, run out of power and stop
[02:32:38] <gloops> like if the engine cuts out - you coast to a stop - with no power
[02:33:26] <gloops> or stop pedalling on a bike
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[02:34:43] <IchGucksLive> ok
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[02:36:26] <gloops> possible hurricane heading to europe
[02:36:58] <IchGucksLive> this will blow out the heat
[02:39:03] <gloops> probably, could do with some rain though
[02:43:57] <IchGucksLive> rain is never a fault in summer heat
[02:44:07] <IchGucksLive> ofcause not on harvestdays
[02:48:00] <IchGucksLive> does somone know if there is a tracker for china post ID180234++***CN
[02:48:12] <IchGucksLive> or are this ids only the pay recive
[02:48:30] <IchGucksLive> as ChinaPost uses UM ID Letters
[02:48:36] <IchGucksLive> not ID
[02:48:57] <IchGucksLive> i tray to order from Malasya RR ID
[02:49:08] <IchGucksLive> this come to germany in 10 DAYS
[02:49:16] <IchGucksLive> and a real track
[02:49:32] <IchGucksLive> China guys only say track but there is no real
[02:53:09] <gloops> lol
[02:53:28] <gloops> i never had a tracking number from China that worked
[02:55:41] <IchGucksLive> it is only a shipment number
[02:56:03] <IchGucksLive> im missing deliverence from 10th Mai
[02:56:25] <IchGucksLive> will now ask for refund
[02:56:40] <IchGucksLive> my personal record is 72days
[02:57:08] <IchGucksLive> from Malaysia non over 12days
[02:57:53] <gloops> for my screws i asked them for 3 weeks if they had posted - yes yes yes, then they asked me if i wanted the ends machining lol
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[03:01:05] <Deejay> moin
[03:02:13] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[03:03:13] <IchGucksLive> ok im off
[03:03:16] <IchGucksLive> later
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[05:46:36] <XXCoder> lol on tooli cnc machine
[05:46:47] <XXCoder> its multitool cnc machine, and they want 7k bucks for it
[05:47:01] <XXCoder> and its frame is little more fancy than one of chineseium laser frames.
[05:47:15] <XXCoder> https://www.indiegogo.com
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[06:08:36] <jthornton> morning
[06:19:22] <XXCoder> yo
[06:19:31] <Tom_L> hey
[06:19:32] <Deejay> heya :)
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[07:46:21] <makerman> hi people
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[08:01:33] <makerman> Does anybody have results of china "Kugelumlaufspindeln" I think the coresponding eng word is threaded rod
[08:02:50] <makerman> Ball screw is right I think
[08:03:23] <makerman> I am looking for their tolerances
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[08:35:03] <SpeedEvil> All chinese products are 100% accurate with 0 error.
[08:35:23] <gregcnc_> built and inspected by people who care
[08:35:24] <SpeedEvil> More seriously, errors will depend on maker, and consistency of that error will depend on QC.
[08:35:45] <SpeedEvil> If they don't tell you the errors, they either don't know about them, or don't care.
[08:36:05] <SpeedEvil> Neither of which is a good place to be in if you want it to be better than 'mostly straight'
[08:36:42] <SpeedEvil> Contact your vendor at a minium and ask for data and what their QC process is.
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[08:56:21] <miss0r> Speaking of QC. I ordered three rockwel automation servo drives form thailand(Lond story short; that was the only place I could find them). They look like shit
[08:57:21] <miss0r> They got here today. They are rested up. two of the three servos I am unable to spin by hand. The one that can spin sounds like someone had a go at lubracating it with sand, and the factory connectors are cut off
[08:57:50] <miss0r> also; they are rusted pretty bad all of them.
[08:58:16] <miss0r> by all that is holy: I hope the encoder is working on one of them
[08:59:03] <makerman> The Shop were I buy them is here in Germany and I live in germany so I could send them back. no problem
[08:59:54] <makerman> So I thought some of you have exp with the "cheaper" ball screws
[09:00:01] <makerman> I will try them
[09:00:12] <gregcnc_> what's the deal with VAT and EU ebay sellers, if i buy in the US? they just don't bother taking it off?
[09:00:18] <miss0r> alot of us has experience with cheap ballscrews
[09:00:26] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: :(
[09:00:28] <miss0r> But it can go either way, in my own experience
[09:00:43] <SpeedEvil> makerman: fundamentally it also depends what you want them for.
[09:01:07] <SpeedEvil> makerman: If you're using them for imprecise stuff that almost anyone seriously specifying that class of device would require - it'll likely be fine.
[09:01:35] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: I guess that is to be expected for second hand material ordered from thailand ;) Also, one of them looks like someone took an angle grinder to it at some point
[09:01:43] <makerman> Tolerance class is T07 I am looking for
[09:02:30] <miss0r> o_0 what is T07?
[09:02:47] <gregcnc_> made up china spec?
[09:03:14] <miss0r> Topdallah07 ? :P
[09:04:09] <gregcnc_> If accuracy is a real concern buy form a reputable source and pay the price. if anything works, use anyhting
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[09:05:19] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[09:05:36] <skunkworks> I have really small hands.. ;)
[09:05:39] <miss0r> T07: 52�m tolerance over 300mm
[09:06:10] <miss0r> Acording to Thomson ballscrews ^
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[09:07:00] <miss0r> They are also the 'lowest' acuracy sold by them. They are rolled, not ground. and they specify that they are to be used for linear movement with limit switches, and not precision positioning.
[09:07:05] <miss0r> Anyway. I'll be back later
[09:08:00] <skunkworks> If I remember right - there are a few ebay sellers that people like on ebay. (will machine ends too)
[09:08:10] <skunkworks> *cnczone
[09:11:15] <gregcnc_> Same as C7. I didn't remember Thomson listing their classes that way.
[09:18:35] <makerman> Did anybody use the cheap JMC Servo Motors
[09:18:53] <makerman> they are servos ! not stepper
[09:20:42] <makerman> What I like about them, they have integrated drivers
[09:22:02] <gregcnc_> what's wrong with servo?
[09:22:36] <makerman> I am confused about the datacheet
[09:23:11] <gregcnc_> which model?
[09:25:21] <makerman> The problem is
[09:25:42] <makerman> I expect to have 2 connections to the servo
[09:25:46] <makerman> 1 VCC
[09:25:56] <makerman> 2 RS232
[09:26:38] <makerman> The Datasheet say they are 3 connections
[09:26:53] <makerman> JMC- iHSV57
[09:27:24] <makerman> greg u have a shop ?
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[09:27:53] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[09:28:04] <gregcnc_> shop?
[09:28:05] <Beachbumpete1> I have not tried one of those integrated driver motors yet but the idea seems appealing for some reason.
[09:28:06] <makerman> Hallo
[09:28:22] <IchGucksLive> makerman, im in germany
[09:28:31] <makerman> I am too :D
[09:28:34] <Beachbumpete1> Still working on my DMM servo systems lathe LOL
[09:28:40] <IchGucksLive> Zweibrücken
[09:28:50] <makerman> ok
[09:29:17] <IchGucksLive> JMC- iHSV57 ist das der Servvo Driver
[09:29:29] <makerman> samt motor
[09:29:45] <makerman> die endstude ist integriert in den motor
[09:29:57] <IchGucksLive> ich sehs
[09:30:02] <IchGucksLive> https://shop.cnc-technics.de
[09:30:04] <makerman> kennst du den nicht
[09:30:13] <makerman> don tu know this server ?
[09:31:51] <IchGucksLive> makerman, eion klasiches hybrid system
[09:32:07] <IchGucksLive> da wärst du mit einem konventionellen HSS86 besser drann
[09:32:31] <IchGucksLive> makerman, FRage zu dem System ansich eine Fräse oder drehbank
[09:32:50] <makerman> fräse
[09:32:58] <makerman> HSS86
[09:33:04] <makerman> ich schau nach
[09:33:11] <IchGucksLive> makerman, welche Steuerkarte hast du
[09:33:59] <makerman> Ich bin mir noch nicht ganz sicher was ich zu diesen motoren noch brauche
[09:34:31] <makerman> muss noch info sammeln
[09:34:31] <IchGucksLive> also der motor ist auf 36Volt ausgelegt und bringrt nur 2000RPM
[09:34:54] <IchGucksLive> makerman, Diese Schnittstelle zum PC würde reichen
[09:34:57] <IchGucksLive> https://www.ebay.de
[09:35:15] <IchGucksLive> kostet un Deutschland 8Euro 2tage lieferzeit
[09:35:48] <IchGucksLive> makerman, ICH BIN DER TYP Hier -> https://www.youtube.com
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[09:36:01] <IchGucksLive> makerman, ich baue ca 100 maschine im jahr
[09:37:09] <IchGucksLive> makerman, schau mal ob da ein eigenes fewnster mit meinem namen aufgegangen ist
[09:38:03] <IchGucksLive> makerman, bist du noch da
[09:38:03] <jesseg> Guten Morgen
[09:38:10] <IchGucksLive> hi jesseg
[09:38:15] <jesseg> Howdy :D
[09:38:28] <IchGucksLive> its getting summer here tomorrow
[09:39:27] <IchGucksLive> jesseg, he got lost in information
[09:40:13] <jesseg> IchGucksLive, huh? who got lost in what information?
[09:40:21] <IchGucksLive> jesseg, first ligt on a newly build https://www.youtube.com
[09:40:51] <IchGucksLive> jesseg, first intro speed at 5m/min
[09:41:14] <IchGucksLive> 48V 4Nm Timingbelt 20/25 on Ballscrew HGH20
[09:41:22] <jesseg> IchGucksLive, wow super cool!
[09:41:44] <IchGucksLive> the complete mashine is 2200 Euro without 4th
[09:42:04] <IchGucksLive> prices are falling on profile but rising on Eelctronic
[09:42:09] <jesseg> cool
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[09:43:20] <IchGucksLive> makerman, still online
[09:44:26] <makerman> ajo
[09:44:32] <makerman> Ich muss gugge
[09:44:41] <makerman> Ich bin ninekeier
[09:44:50] <makerman> is näwwa zw
[09:44:53] <makerman> ne
[09:44:55] <makerman> :D
[09:44:57] <IchGucksLive> makerman, schau mal ob da ein fenster / querry mit meinem namen offen ist
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[09:55:59] <IchGucksLive> hi hsd
[09:56:17] <IchGucksLive> jesseg, im off till later
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[10:31:43] <Beachbumpete1> any of you guys have one of those creality 3d printers?
[10:31:58] <rebecca> nope
[10:32:10] <Beachbumpete1> or girls LOL
[10:32:15] <rebecca> recently got an anycubic i3 mega though
[10:32:35] <Beachbumpete1> how ya like it? what is the envelope on it and what price?
[10:33:49] <rebecca> love it. produces really nice quality output if you dial in the settings right. also wonderful build plate surface
[10:33:59] <rebecca> 210x210x205 iirc
[10:34:31] <rebecca> 336USD
[10:34:41] <Beachbumpete1> nice
[10:34:52] <rebecca> not including shipping
[10:34:56] <Beachbumpete1> the Creality CR10 is like 300x400 or so I think
[10:35:06] <rebecca> okay. thinking of getting one?
[10:35:29] <Beachbumpete1> not sure yet but I want a decent one that has some volume of area
[10:35:42] <Beachbumpete1> that one you have actually looks pretty sweet\
[10:36:05] <rebecca> i think the build vol on mine is adequate for me. i'm running a print now which has room to spare and will run over 10hours
[10:36:12] <rebecca> not sure i have the patience for bigger :D
[10:38:19] <rebecca> what do you plan to use it for?
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[10:47:07] <gloops> welcome president Trump!
[11:09:42] <Beachbumpete1> not sure just yet but I have been wanting one to learn on and if I am going to get one I want it to have a usable volume area so as not to be too restricted to size per dollar I spend...
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[11:41:15] <Joe_Hildreth> Hello all, I have a parallel port question. I have added a second parallel port to a machine via a pci card. The OS did create a /dev/lp1 for this card. On the stepper config wizard where it states you can use either the port address or Linux port number it is referring to the lp# in the /dev, correct?
[11:41:37] <Joe_Hildreth> is it better to use the address or the port number, or does it matter?
[11:42:07] <jesseg> hrm my guess is you'd probably be just fine addressing it by the port number
[11:42:38] <jesseg> since it's different hardware brand and bus and whatnot, they should always enumerate in the same order
[11:42:49] <Joe_Hildreth> I belive the address of the new card is at 0x1100. I got the with a cat /proc/ioports | grep parport
[11:42:59] <jesseg> or -- I guess I should ask, are both parallel ports the same type of expansion card?
[11:43:13] <jesseg> or is one onboard and one's pcie?
[11:43:36] <Joe_Hildreth> The first port is onboard 0x378
[11:43:53] <Joe_Hildreth> The second PCI
[11:44:09] <jesseg> ok they almost certainly will always enumerate in the same order, although if you re-install OS you might want to double check to make sure they are still enumerating in same order
[11:45:06] <Joe_Hildreth> Would using the port address be a safer bet? Would the address of the PCI port change on a new install or differnt PCI slot?
[11:46:55] <jesseg> you know I really don't know. PCI has a significant additional automagic complexity as compared to ISA, so I really don't know what the rules of engagement are for addresses for printer ports on PCI lol
[11:47:31] <jesseg> THe old ISA printer ports had jumpers on them and you set the address they answered on. No way that could get changed by the OS LOL
[11:48:27] <Joe_Hildreth> So the best advice to give a newbie would be to check the hardware any time a slot is changed, hardware added or a new OS install? That would be the conservative advice to give, would you agree.
[11:48:55] <Joe_Hildreth> I am still working on my next installment of the CNC hobbyist videos.
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[11:49:55] <Joe_Hildreth> jesseg, thanks for the help. You guys make this project of mine go a little easier and I appreciate that!
[11:50:03] <jesseg> Joe_Hildreth, yes I agree that's a great way to put it
[11:50:12] <jesseg> most welcome!
[11:52:13] <Joe_Hildreth> Just wondering, if I were to remove the card and start the machine up, will the OS remove the /dev/lp1 from the list?
[11:52:28] <jesseg> probably, assuming it added it.
[11:52:41] <jesseg> In the old days, we (or the OS installer script) had to create each file in /dev
[11:53:09] <jesseg> but for the last few years they've been using automatic /dev/ file creation - so the files get created when the hardware is detected and removed when its not
[11:53:29] <jesseg> so like even plugging in a mouse or a USB web cam or whatever will create a new device in /dev/ then when unplugged it'll disappear
[11:55:10] <Joe_Hildreth> Interesting, going to go pull the card and verify. brb
[11:57:36] <Tecan> https://github.com i'll be putting more in here later
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[11:59:33] <Joe_Hildreth> OK, I removed the card and booted the machine. The /dev/lp1 enumeration is gone, so you are correct. The machine only has one PCI slot so I cannot check to see if the port address changes on a different slot.
[12:02:59] <Joe_Hildreth> After talking to Andy P. and doing some test, I am convinced that the data for pin 14 in in the table listed here: http://linuxcnc.org is incorrect for the "IN" column. It is listed as being an input pin in this mode but should be output. On installing a second port and running stepper wizard and setting the port to "IN" it shows this pin as being an output.
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[12:04:07] <Joe_Hildreth> This makes sense because pins 1, 14, 16 and 17 all belong to the same control group. So for modes "in" and "out" they are set to output, and mode "x" the are set to be inputs.
[12:04:20] <Joe_Hildreth> Now if someone would fix the docs. :-)
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[12:14:14] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com <---_ HAHAHAAAHHAAHAHAHA nsfw
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[12:22:44] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[12:22:57] <IchGucksLive> makerman, bist du noch da
[12:25:18] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, linux is able to drive 4 paralell ports
[12:26:17] <IchGucksLive> gloops, 5Mio Pound for tomorrows Golf tour
[12:26:36] <IchGucksLive> gloops, UK must have no problems on that
[12:26:51] <IchGucksLive> gloops, kay burly live at the scene
[12:26:53] <Joe_Hildreth> IchGucksLive, the Parallel Port Driver docs says that it can drive up to 8 ports
[12:27:12] <IchGucksLive> LCNC can do so
[12:27:22] <Joe_Hildreth> defined by MAX_PORTS in hal_parport.c
[12:27:58] <IchGucksLive> as you will not find a pc with more then 4 pci socket
[12:28:34] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, but more efficient will be using a mesa
[12:28:53] <Joe_Hildreth> Well, that is true. I have never noticed more than that. I agree using mesa would be better for lots of IO
[12:29:00] <IchGucksLive> 12 Servos at 4mio steps per second RT
[12:29:06] <pcw_home> you could drive 4 dual parallel port cards
[12:30:19] <IchGucksLive> in this modern times it will come up again as M4 does not work proper on W10
[12:30:40] <IchGucksLive> but the ground Base is set by arduino now
[12:30:44] <Joe_Hildreth> You have a point pcw_home. I guess if the cards are cheaper than buying the mesa cards, but at some point it would be diminishing returns wouldn't it?
[12:31:09] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, 20USD per card
[12:31:21] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, but max 200k
[12:31:35] <Joe_Hildreth> for dual PP cards?
[12:31:52] <IchGucksLive> yes
[12:32:12] <Simonious_> I've been using fusion 360 for g-code, is it possible to 'platter' - that is if I'm cutting a sign can it 'best fit' 10s of objects onto my medium?
[12:33:00] <IchGucksLive> Simonious_, you can use a simple offset at the end
[12:33:05] <IchGucksLive> G92
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[12:33:37] <Simonious_> and that'll autofit a bunch of letters to cut out into best use of material? doesn't sound right
[12:33:53] <cpresser> so you want nesting?
[12:34:16] <Simonious_> sure, yes, that keyword makes as much sense as platter. yes
[12:34:38] <IchGucksLive> Simonious_, look at the free Sheetcam option
[12:35:39] * cpresser is a non native speaker, had to look up 'platter'
[12:35:41] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, DELOCK 89016
[12:35:50] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, https://www.ebay.de
[12:35:58] <cpresser> afaik, fusion only allows manually alignment of items
[12:36:15] <Tom_L> array or grid pattern
[12:36:21] <IchGucksLive> Simonious_, do you got a dxf of it
[12:36:31] <cpresser> vcarve-pro has a nesting tool: https://docs.vectric.com
[12:36:39] <Simonious_> IchGucksLive: I can have.. at the moment this is more of a hypothetical question, why?
[12:36:40] <IchGucksLive> even Freecad coudt do this
[12:37:00] <Simonious_> cpresser: we are considering vcarve
[12:37:08] <IchGucksLive> Simonious_, to generate your code
[12:37:54] <IchGucksLive> Simonious_, http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de
[12:38:02] <Tom_L> that's great until you want the wood grain the same direction :_
[12:38:03] <IchGucksLive> Simonious_, this is my letter milling
[12:38:23] <Simonious_> IchGucksLive: very nice :) I've done a few myself, however in this case I'm cutting out letters and want to nest them tightly
[12:38:55] <IchGucksLive> sheetcam will optimize the pattern
[12:39:21] <IchGucksLive> there are more wood signes http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de
[12:39:44] <Joe_Hildreth> IchGucksLive, thise are pretty affordable, but let us pretend we have 8 ports in the machine. That would give 136 IO pins to use. The smaller Mesa cards if I recall drive 5 stepper axis with hardware step generator and 72 IO pins. Twice the cost though compared to the dual PP cards. Would be an interesting experiment nonetheless.
[12:40:37] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, but 200k you wont reatch VERSES 4Mhz you can
[12:41:35] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, 72 IO is a hell of pins
[12:41:48] <Tom_L> 72 for 60 bux
[12:42:08] <Tom_L> less than a dollar an io :D
[12:42:24] <Joe_Hildreth> You mean data throughput. Oh I agree with you. If lots of IO and data throughput are important then I would avoid PP and go mesa
[12:43:27] <IchGucksLive> Tom_L, its 102 for 60 and 136 at 80
[12:43:41] <Joe_Hildreth> You are correct Tom_L. I think as the series of tutorials progress, I will get some mesa boards and cover them the best I can. I have loads of things I hope to cover as time goes by.
[12:43:42] <IchGucksLive> makerman, ich bin am warten
[12:43:46] <Tom_L> 7i90
[12:43:54] <Tom_L> 72 for 60
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[12:44:59] <gloops> v-carve has 'nest selected objects' function
[12:44:59] <Tom_L> IchGucksLive what card has 136?
[12:45:43] <IchGucksLive> 3x double parport at 18USD at 17pin etch
[12:45:58] <Tom_L> ahh, slow
[12:46:06] <IchGucksLive> 136 are 4x2x17
[12:46:47] <IchGucksLive> Tom_L, as i tryed to told him cost verses speed
[12:47:21] <Tom_L> i'm not sure what would ever need 136 io anyway
[12:47:26] <IchGucksLive> AS the RULE is COST vs Torque vs Speed vs Precision
[12:47:52] <Tom_L> pay your money.. how fast do you want to go
[12:47:52] <gloops> im surprised inkscape doesnt have this kind of nesting feature, a lot of people use it for laser
[12:48:18] <IchGucksLive> gloops, for image
[12:48:59] <gloops> well you could still arrange the vectors in inkscape before sending them to CAM
[12:49:29] <IchGucksLive> gloops, arent you invited to the trump dinner
[12:49:43] <IchGucksLive> gloops, a person like you
[12:49:46] <gloops> no only VIPs
[12:49:56] <gloops> im a UIP
[12:50:06] <IchGucksLive> gloops, so you do not go to the golfclub
[12:50:20] <gloops> no ive never played golf
[12:50:45] <IchGucksLive> you do not need that but there is the moey for good cnc routers
[12:52:12] <gloops> at the golf club?
[12:52:24] <Joe_Hildreth> I hope I didn't give the impression that this is what I was wanting to do. I am just working on my outline for my next CNC for the Home Hobbyist video and I am covering the parallel port. My real questions were about using the enumerated ports verse using the IO address in the setup.
[12:53:10] <Tom_L> gloops, there's a printed golf club http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[12:53:16] <Joe_Hildreth> And about what seems to be an error in the PP driver docs for pin 14 on the "IN" column. Sorry for the confusion.
[12:53:17] <Tom_L> Ti
[12:53:26] <Tom_L> with composite stem
[12:53:54] <gloops> looks metal Tom_L?
[12:53:58] <Tom_L> Ti
[12:54:11] <gloops> 'golf, the best way to ruin a good walk' Winston Churchill
[12:54:12] <Tom_L> the handle is composite
[12:54:22] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, pin 14 is most use out at EPP
[12:54:43] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, the ECP centronics is treestate so itcan be in
[12:55:06] <Tom_L> tri state
[12:55:18] <IchGucksLive> ;-)
[12:56:04] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, but then you need to get your own BOB as no industrial suports this after 1992
[12:56:32] <IchGucksLive> IBM Rule 15
[12:56:33] <Joe_Hildreth> But aren't pins 1, 14, 16 and 17 all part of the control group? They all would be set as either IN or OUT not individually right? When setting a port to "IN" with step wizard, it shows pin 14 as output. In the docs is shows it as input.
[12:57:08] <Joe_Hildreth> IBM Rule 15???
[12:57:54] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, as tome said this group is Tri State but in comen days only used as output as DB1205
[12:58:01] <IchGucksLive> 12 out 5 in
[12:58:42] <IchGucksLive> you can go 8 out and 9 in
[12:58:55] <IchGucksLive> if you configure the port as IN
[12:59:14] <IchGucksLive> then set it to ECP
[12:59:30] <IchGucksLive> and get your own BOB onto it
[12:59:44] <Tom_L> what's Bob got to do with it???
[12:59:49] <IchGucksLive> Remember 600 uA 3,3V
[13:00:06] <Tom_L> he's just a by-stander
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[13:00:18] <skunkworks> he prefers robert...
[13:00:25] <IchGucksLive> Tom_L, no direct connect to the parport only via HCT
[13:00:31] <Joe_Hildreth> According to the table, when set as in, you have 14 pins in and 3 pins out.
[13:01:16] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, DATA pins are oinly out
[13:01:30] <IchGucksLive> so 17 total - out is max in
[13:01:55] <IchGucksLive> 17 sub 8 =9
[13:02:45] <Tom_L> since when?
[13:02:56] <IchGucksLive> aristoteles i guess
[13:02:59] <Joe_Hildreth> I am getting confused. See table 1 on this page, http://linuxcnc.org This is what I am referring to.
[13:05:16] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, there is a X colum i refer to
[13:07:12] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, you can get SPP EPP and 1284 Comen EPP
[13:07:24] <IchGucksLive> sorry
[13:07:40] <IchGucksLive> SPP ECP and EPP=1284
[13:07:55] <IchGucksLive> this is the parport definision
[13:08:22] <IchGucksLive> and the table showes the pin setting to the 3 STATE
[13:08:26] <Joe_Hildreth> I understand that, my question is about pin 14 on the in column. For "in" it would seem that the data pins are set to in, the status pins are set to in and the control pins set to out, except, pin 14 is labelled as in. I would think that the control pins would all be set at the same direction.
[13:09:12] <Joe_Hildreth> I will go read the IEEE 1284 specs. maybe that will help me out. :-)
[13:09:59] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, only tzhe real PRO freeks will go for that and need to hardsearch for hardware
[13:10:58] <IchGucksLive> the international around 15000 CNC a week is 1205
[13:13:02] <IchGucksLive> even arduino cnc follows this standard
[13:13:19] <IchGucksLive> as they coudt improve it easy
[13:14:14] <IchGucksLive> 1515 woudt improve all the cnc stuff
[13:14:31] <IchGucksLive> on a 30cpc connector
[13:15:13] <IchGucksLive> or just clamp of
[13:16:31] <IchGucksLive> IF MAKERMAN comes in tell him im here at 7pm Berlin time every day
[13:16:43] <IchGucksLive> im off to BBQ as i smell the fire
[13:16:48] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
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[14:09:37] <fragalot> hi
[14:10:37] <miss0r> goodevening
[14:13:27] <Beachbumpete1> HawkuELLO
[14:13:34] <Beachbumpete1> DOH
[14:13:40] <Beachbumpete1> hello ;)
[14:13:53] <miss0r> :D
[14:16:17] <Hawku> ?
[14:16:58] <miss0r> log
[14:16:59] <c-log> miss0r: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[14:41:33] <Beachbumpete1> Hawku sorry typo hehe
[14:43:10] <Hawku> yeah np :)
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[14:47:49] <gloops> looks like the EU president had one too many earlier LOL
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[14:54:39] <gregcnc_> heh I actually got a ebay.de seller to adjust his invoice for VAT, since I'm in the US.
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[16:38:07] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:55:17] <JT-Shop> now I get crap phone calls about 5 times a day trying to sell me some shit
[16:56:23] <tjb1> need a secretary
[16:57:30] <tjb1> JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com thats with teensy thc
[16:59:22] <JT-Shop> that yours?
[17:00:22] <tjb1> yeah
[17:04:17] <tjb1> custom board for the teensy https://media.discordapp.net
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[17:16:34] <tjb1> I found some problems with the logic, it stops sending outputs below 100v so I don't know if I'm just going to lower the floor or do something like target +- 50v for response
[17:17:08] <tjb1> or just always output a signal and let the computer decide when to act
[17:19:49] <JT-Shop> you made the bigger green board?
[17:21:06] <tjb1> yeah
[17:21:31] <JT-Shop> cool
[17:21:51] <tjb1> the screen is just one of these - https://reprap.org
[17:22:00] <tjb1> i was getting tired of trying to remember which wire went where
[17:22:07] <JT-Shop> I'm getting the calls on my cell phone
[17:22:32] <tjb1> thats no good
[17:22:37] <JT-Shop> yea I have one like that on my hot glue machine
[17:23:04] <tjb1> it has sd card slot that I never hooked up...i dont know what id use it for
[17:23:48] <tjb1> I would have to monitor voltage and then do writes when voltage dropped to not interfere with loop time during reading
[17:24:01] <JT-Shop> you can run a file from the display
[17:25:56] <tjb1> on your hot glue machine?
[17:26:51] <JT-Shop> cheap 3D printer
[17:27:38] <tjb1> I've got a duet wifi on my newest one, really enjoy having the config file as a text file
[17:30:59] <JT-Shop> time to have a beer with the chickens
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[17:55:24] <ThisIsAtest> Well, that seems to work
[17:55:54] <andypugh> Begone foul testy-person
[17:56:06] <ThisIsAtest> OK, be like that
[17:56:45] <andypugh> (These are both me, I am lookikng for an alternative web IRC gateway as we have a broken link in the docs)
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[17:58:12] <JT-Shop> ah yea I forgot about that
[17:59:33] <JT-Shop> YEA I got a machine modification job today
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[18:05:07] * JT-Shop thinks it's time for a pay check...
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[18:21:18] <tjb1> if anyone is interested in any of the THC stuff, code and board will be here - https://www.cnczone.com
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[20:21:52] <hazzy-lab> skunkworks: https://www.instagram.com
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[21:49:21] <hazzy-lab> logs
[21:50:52] <Tom_L> ok i got a water cooled spindle today :)
[21:51:12] <hazzy-lab> nice!
[21:51:17] <`Wolf> ooo
[21:51:25] <Tom_L> wanna see?
[21:51:36] <hazzy-lab> of course!
[21:51:38] <hazzy-lab> :)
[21:52:13] * Tom_L snickers a bit
[21:52:18] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:52:31] <`Wolf> I got that HB04 wireless pendant in today, looks pretty nice
[21:52:44] <`Wolf> lol
[21:52:46] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:52:54] <Tom_L> pipe is just a bit smaller than the motor od
[21:53:02] <Tom_L> fits snug on the motor
[21:53:09] <hazzy-lab> lol
[21:53:18] <`Wolf> needs active cooling, recycle a dehumidifier =P
[21:53:18] <Tom_L> it will help until i can find a real one :D
[21:53:34] <Tom_L> o
[21:53:37] <`Wolf> thats what I am planning on using for co2 laser
[21:53:40] <Tom_L> i'll just fill the bucket with ice
[21:53:55] <hazzy-lab> Put some thermal past and it'll be perfect
[21:54:00] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be
[21:54:06] <Tom_L> i thought about that hazzy-dev
[21:54:49] <Tom_L> that tube full o water trick works like a treat too btw
[21:54:55] <hazzy-lab> antiseize is a excellent thermal conductor, and cheap
[21:54:56] <`Wolf> $5 ink bird thermal control unit SSR, pump and mini radiator + dehumidifier, seeing that its just a compressor/evaporator
[21:55:01] <hazzy-lab> but it be a mess
[21:55:48] <`Wolf> does that spindle motor really need that much cooling?
[21:55:58] <Tom_L> it gets damn hot
[21:56:10] <CaptHindsight> won't hurt nothin to cool it
[21:56:18] <Tom_L> but will it help any?
[21:56:24] <hazzy-lab> Take the compressor out of a dorm fridge and run the coil directly around the motor would also work, not overkill at all :D
[21:56:32] <Tom_L> i had all the stuff so i figured i'd try it
[21:56:43] <Tom_L> pump left over from fishtank days
[21:57:57] <Tom_L> all i need now is more tubing so i can put the bucket on the floor
[21:58:05] <`Wolf> hazzy-lab: same thing as the dehumidifier, could use a window ac unit as a donor as well, only problem is keeping the motor above rooms dew point
[22:00:09] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: thats true, but the coil on the fridge does not have any fins on it, so you might be able to wrap it around the motor, and not have to even recharge the system
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[22:00:57] <`Wolf> you know, I’ve never taken one of those apart, I didn’t know that lol
[22:01:37] <Tom_L> it would be hard to recoil it without getting a kink somewhere
[22:01:44] <Tom_L> since it's attached on both ends
[22:01:47] <`Wolf> I was thinking http://a.co and a 120mm fan
[22:02:26] <Tom_L> or a heater core from a salvage yard
[22:02:30] <hazzy-lab> That's darned cute!
[22:02:47] <`Wolf> just cool the bucket of water with 1 pump and 2nd pump to motor/co2 tube being cooled
[22:04:06] <`Wolf> Tom_L: same idea, except that one already has 120mm fan mount tabs and my local salvage yard probably charges just as much for a heater core lol
[22:04:15] <Tom_L> true
[22:04:22] <Tom_L> that one is plenty cheap enough
[22:04:44] <`Wolf> use the temp control unit to hold the bucket at just above dew point
[22:05:17] <`Wolf> I think the total was going to be under $80 in parts
[22:06:00] <Tom_L> i'm not sure i've posted a pic of the mill in it's completed state
[22:06:04] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:06:06] <`Wolf> vs $500 for a co2 laser water chiller
[22:06:13] <Tom_L> except it's got the shars vise on it now
[22:06:27] <`Wolf> looks good
[22:06:46] <`Wolf> mine is a spread of parts again
[22:06:53] <Tom_L> i've got several shapes of plastic for the front depending if the vise is on or not
[22:07:12] <Tom_L> and an extension that sits on top of the screwed on pieces
[22:07:28] <Tom_L> minimizes the mess
[22:07:36] <`Wolf> I decided to install oiling system to my mill build
[22:08:03] <Tom_L> i should but i can get to all the stuff on mine fairly easy
[22:08:04] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[22:08:09] <`Wolf> I can’t lol
[22:08:19] <`Wolf> this X2 is stuffed
[22:08:53] <`Wolf> I’m not partly stalled waiting on the fitting for the X ball nut
[22:08:58] <`Wolf> s/not/now
[22:09:53] <Tom_L> why's the side plugged with the bolt?
[22:10:12] <`Wolf> thats the oiling hole
[22:10:17] <Tom_L> right
[22:10:39] <`Wolf> fitting is 6-10 days out, had to order a odd ball fitting
[22:11:07] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com tight work space lol
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[22:11:57] <Tom_L> should be solid when it's done
[22:12:37] <Tom_L> i can tell you my steppers have more than enough torque
[22:12:54] <`Wolf> I have 420oz should be overkill
[22:13:00] <Tom_L> 570
[22:13:29] <`Wolf> haha yeah should be good to run a cutter with the spindle off
[22:13:47] <Tom_L> i was test running this new program and had something on the table in the way and the Y table came up against it and it just started pushing the mill instead of stalling
[22:14:00] <Tom_L> that's running them at half power
[22:14:07] <Tom_L> 2.5A instead of 5
[22:14:22] <Tom_L> err X axis i meant
[22:14:29] <`Wolf> my x1 snapped a 3/8 end mill in half w/ 420oz motors
[22:14:49] <`Wolf> no stall or pause
[22:14:54] <Tom_L> yeah
[22:15:05] <Tom_L> i'm pretty happy about that
[22:15:19] <`Wolf> my only worry is the Z
[22:15:21] <Tom_L> i doubt i'd need the 3:1 reduction on Z at all
[22:15:44] <`Wolf> I have mine planned with 1:1
[22:15:50] <Tom_L> i had a counterweight on the sherline but the steppers were 280? in oz iirc
[22:15:56] <`Wolf> but have a cable counterweight
[22:16:02] <Tom_L> should be fine i bet
[22:16:13] <`Wolf> gas strut setup hidden in the column
[22:16:21] <Tom_L> i got a 3:1 and 2:1 pulley set but started with the 3:1
[22:16:58] <Tom_L> i could probably slap a 5hp motor on the spindle without worrying about stalling z :)
[22:17:20] <`Wolf> overkill is never a bad thing lol
[22:17:42] <Tom_L> do'overs isn't an option really for me
[22:18:17] <Tom_L> i built the electronics on the sherline with that in mind and just moved it all over when the mill was ready
[22:18:24] <`Wolf> buddy of mine stopped over to pick up a part I made him, in turn getting a 3.25” bar stock 7’ long so I can make a riser for the x2 column
[22:18:52] <Tom_L> i had one of those for the sherline but never used it
[22:19:45] <`Wolf> of course the riser means that my Z ball screw might be short now =/
[22:20:46] <Tom_L> cad cam says this program'll take 2.5 hrs on the first side
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[22:21:25] <Tom_L> side 2 should be a breeze, it's just the profile
[22:21:41] <Tom_L> and a couple bolt recesses
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[22:25:20] <`Wolf> sweet, I can’t wait to have this X2 making chips
[22:26:41] <`Wolf> tho the manual mill is starting to feel like it really needs a power drawbar
[22:38:46] <`Wolf> …https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-20-CLAMP-SET-FOR-MACHINIST-TOOL-ROOM-OR-HOBBY-SET-OF-TWO-WITH-HARDWARE/301913077664 seems steep price for aluminum strap clamps…
[23:05:41] <Tom_L> make your own
[23:06:16] <`Wolf> i am
[23:06:42] <`Wolf> $6 of stock = dozen
[23:07:25] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:07:33] <Tom_L> i made a few from 1/4" steel
[23:07:49] <Tom_L> no finished pics though
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[23:08:06] <`Wolf> I got 4 feet of 3/4” x 3/8” 6061
[23:08:15] <`Wolf> doing the tapping step right now
[23:08:39] <Tom_L> i picked up some 6061 today
[23:08:51] <Tom_L> 7/8 x 3 x .......
[23:08:57] <Tom_L> several pieces
[23:10:08] <Tom_L> hmm i need to cut thos down, maybe i should keep the cutoff for clamps..
[23:10:51] <Tom_L> i seem to have enough right now though
[23:11:47] <`Wolf> guess I need to RTFM for the tapmatic lol
[23:12:05] <Tom_L> those are pretty easy
[23:12:45] <`Wolf> really just need to set the clutch
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[23:30:59] <`Wolf> damn that thing is easy
[23:31:28] <`Wolf> though it doesn’t like it if the clutch is set too loose lol
[23:45:21] <`Wolf> =) https://i.imgur.com