#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-07-13

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[00:49:43] <fragalot> hey
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[02:10:46] <miss0r> mornin'
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[02:38:14] <IchGucksLive> mrning from germany
[02:38:29] <IchGucksLive> its getting a hot day
[02:38:58] <IchGucksLive> we got a forest fire tonight so im late on pention jobs
[02:39:03] <miss0r> scandinavia is no exception
[02:39:26] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, polarcircle at 30deg
[02:39:36] <IchGucksLive> what a year
[02:39:43] <miss0r> In Denmark we are experiencing the greatest dryspell in recorded history
[02:39:47] <miss0r> yeah
[02:40:06] <IchGucksLive> so Banana plants next
[02:40:27] <IchGucksLive> i trhink for oranges it is to early LOL
[02:40:30] <miss0r> hehe, I should plant some palm trees. They would fit right in :D
[02:40:46] <IchGucksLive> there are winter hard ones
[02:40:55] <IchGucksLive> they can take -5deg
[02:41:10] <miss0r> hmm.. Not likely to survive winter here though.
[02:41:11] <IchGucksLive> we got one at the beatch bar lakesiide
[02:41:39] <miss0r> But if this pattern continues, I would not expect to ever see sub-zero temperatures again :D
[02:41:44] <miss0r> nice
[02:41:46] <IchGucksLive> log
[02:41:46] <c-log> IchGucksLive: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[02:42:08] <miss0r> I'm running the shop AC at the moment, otherwise it is unbearable in here
[02:43:14] <miss0r> IchGucksLive: Did I share with you the video where I remove a hornets nest with a tire air cannon? :D
[02:43:35] <miss0r> (one of those ment for pushing the rubber onto the rim when first installing it)
[02:43:35] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, the makerman from yesterday is 20km away from my location
[02:44:10] <miss0r> The one suspected of poor QC?
[02:44:25] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, in germany you woudt be jailed 6month probition on that video public
[02:45:04] <IchGucksLive> he doesn not say what he expect to do
[02:45:14] <miss0r> realy? :S
[02:45:26] <IchGucksLive> and i guess its some bosch related thing
[02:45:49] <miss0r> Well, here is the link, should you feel like watching it: https://www.youtube.com
[02:45:57] <miss0r> Why is that illegal in Germany=
[02:46:20] <IchGucksLive> the servos(Hybrid) with the driver on top is crap
[02:46:47] <IchGucksLive> noone wants to run the signal over 7meters
[02:47:17] <miss0r> Sadly I didn't enter yesterdays discussion until late. When i got there, it was all about the quality expection of ballscrews
[02:47:28] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, they are shilded by the GOV
[02:48:01] <miss0r> oh wow. Here you can have GOV aided removal of "unfortunatly placed nests"
[02:48:11] <IchGucksLive> C7 is around 0,05 per meter
[02:48:19] <IchGucksLive> while c% can get 0,2
[02:48:23] <IchGucksLive> C5
[02:48:49] <miss0r> yesterday we were talking about P7. which is something like 52um/300mm
[02:48:59] <IchGucksLive> i think the china messurment system is the clue to the Q
[02:49:36] <IchGucksLive> P is grinded while C is rolled only
[02:49:53] <IchGucksLive> there is also a T
[02:50:09] <miss0r> Its hard to tell who uses what standard as what - especially comming out of china.
[02:50:10] <IchGucksLive> this is rolled on messurment i guess
[02:50:26] <miss0r> When looking at the thomsons datasheet. They use P as rolled only
[02:50:51] <IchGucksLive> i gues this is not at DIN
[02:51:02] <IchGucksLive> so all open to the CN
[02:51:12] <miss0r> yeah
[02:51:16] <IchGucksLive> sell them to the US as P
[02:51:21] <IchGucksLive> to europ as C
[02:51:36] <miss0r> well. That is why if you need precision from your ballscrews, you should buy from a reputable source
[02:51:43] <IchGucksLive> and if folks like glooops ask its a T
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[02:51:54] <miss0r> xD
[02:52:01] <IchGucksLive> AS we Speek there it comes
[02:52:11] <miss0r> "Speaking of the devil"
[02:52:17] <IchGucksLive> gloops, not out to protest Trump
[02:52:33] <IchGucksLive> gloops, nice ladys on the Road
[02:53:25] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, if you realy need a 24hr Precescion you need a DRO mesurment backport to servo system
[02:53:56] <miss0r> well sure. if you want high precision. But acceptable precision can be aquired with acurately ground ballscrews and tuned step motors
[02:53:59] <IchGucksLive> if you got time it is only your caliber that counts
[02:54:18] <IchGucksLive> as always i SAY
[02:54:21] <gloops> hi, no i wont be protesting, Trump is ok ;)
[02:54:35] <IchGucksLive> COST vs Precision vs Speed vs Torque
[02:54:46] <miss0r> IchGucksLive: I completely agree
[02:55:01] <IchGucksLive> i build only on COST
[02:55:11] <miss0r> i.e. why deck out a huge amount of money to achieve 0.0001mm precision, if you only need 0.05
[02:55:11] <gloops> bbiab
[02:55:21] <IchGucksLive> as i need the max quantety of mashines on the given money
[02:55:50] <miss0r> IchGucksLive: Well, you don't build "only" on cost. You have a set of requirements to meet, and you do that in the cheapest way possible
[02:56:06] <miss0r> requirements is king
[02:56:32] <IchGucksLive> and at the time we are in 0,01 at 5m/min with 8Nm Cutting force at 2000 Wuros 800x600x200mm workarea is quite good
[02:56:48] <miss0r> That does sound pretty good
[02:57:14] <miss0r> Worst part is: That machine of yours could actualy replace my old maho for most of the machining I do
[02:57:34] <IchGucksLive> NO not in the dreams
[02:58:01] <IchGucksLive> a 800Euro one Axis Maho 400p is more then a 34k hobby
[02:58:04] <IchGucksLive> 3k
[02:58:22] <miss0r> I sport a 3 axis maho 500C
[02:58:24] <IchGucksLive> drilling a 40mm Hole
[02:58:41] <miss0r> sure. you can't realy do heavu drilling with that machine of yours
[02:58:53] <IchGucksLive> maho 500 aresold around 1500 euros
[02:59:08] <miss0r> Depending on the state they're in
[02:59:12] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, flensburg are alot of mashines from shipyards
[02:59:47] <miss0r> Hehe, i'm sure. But a realy good maho(very little use on it) like the one I have, I doubt you could find for 1500eur
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[03:00:47] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, if you go smaler like FP4
[03:01:06] <miss0r> yeah, but thats a deckel - hardly comparable
[03:01:06] <IchGucksLive> you raise the cost by 10times
[03:01:24] <miss0r> deckel is king :]
[03:01:27] <IchGucksLive> it is a near desk mill at that waight
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[03:01:43] <IchGucksLive> 280Kg
[03:01:58] <IchGucksLive> living rool mill at 3kw
[03:02:14] <miss0r> the one you are building?
[03:02:33] <IchGucksLive> and if there is a Contour2 on it it is 12k Euros at 30year age
[03:02:58] <miss0r> Do you have any videos of that mill of yours doing different materials?
[03:03:14] <miss0r> (preferably with sound & surface end result)
[03:03:32] <IchGucksLive> i only got the hardwood of my chees
[03:03:57] <IchGucksLive> its a 400 Euro mill doing Realy Hard Stuff
[03:04:03] <miss0r> :]
[03:04:20] <IchGucksLive> with trochodal and at the end to touch the bit no heat at all
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[03:04:39] <IchGucksLive> 30 Euro Bosch 500 constant speed spindle
[03:05:16] <Deejay> moin
[03:05:24] <miss0r> that sounds unreasonably cheap
[03:05:32] <miss0r> o/ Deejay
[03:06:44] <miss0r> I'm doing some cleaning here. I am about to disassemble my early attempt at making a 5 axis cnc. I have by now realized that I will never finish it. and if I decided to do so, there are so many things I would make differently now
[03:07:52] <IchGucksLive> miss0r, https://www.youtube.com
[03:08:04] <IchGucksLive> this mashie got a backlash of 0,3
[03:08:23] <IchGucksLive> it is TR16x4
[03:08:30] <IchGucksLive> and 2Nm Steppers
[03:08:35] <IchGucksLive> at TB6600
[03:08:45] <IchGucksLive> 5Euro BOB
[03:08:47] <miss0r> It sounds a little underpowered for the task at hand
[03:09:08] <IchGucksLive> as i said it is low cost at all
[03:09:34] <IchGucksLive> 500W is to low and 18000rpm is real low
[03:09:57] <miss0r> yeah
[03:10:37] <IchGucksLive> you coudt double the Speed but 5 times the cost
[03:11:24] <IchGucksLive> all axis spindles togeter are less then 20 Euros
[03:12:59] <IchGucksLive> ok im off 2 garden watering as we expect 30deg today and lots of nice swimming young ladys
[03:13:05] <IchGucksLive> BYE
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[03:34:58] <`Wolf> These should work ok =) https://imgur.com
[03:37:48] <miss0r> Those look like proper versions of the chinesium we have all come to loathe
[03:39:25] <`Wolf> only 6061 though, not steel
[03:46:11] <miss0r> doesn't matter
[03:46:29] <miss0r> still better than the pressed cans that make up the chinesium ones.
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[03:48:05] <miss0r> `Wolf: This is what the ones that came with my first 3040
[03:48:06] <gloops> cast ally is ok for machining
[03:48:06] <miss0r> https://imgur.com
[03:48:27] <`Wolf> lol thats bad
[03:48:37] <miss0r> Slot & drill hole is off center and quite awfull to look at
[03:48:37] <miss0r> :D
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[03:48:52] <gloops> it does the job
[03:48:56] <miss0r> DAMNIT! I just turned up the speed for my maho serial connection
[03:49:11] <miss0r> 2400baud to 4800 baud. Both ends(pc and CNC accepted it)
[03:49:46] <miss0r> But apparently theres something with the cable, perhaps noise would be my guess. It transfers at double the speed but it throws in some random characters once in a while, rendering the G code unusable
[03:49:50] <miss0r> the cnc rejected it
[03:49:52] <miss0r> :-/
[03:49:58] <miss0r> I realy needed that speed boost
[03:52:10] <miss0r> Transferring G-code at 2400baud is just painfull
[03:52:38] <`Wolf> early ’90’s speed
[03:53:23] <miss0r> late '80's mill
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[03:56:27] <miss0r> lol, okay - I made it work. Apparently the cnc has a parameter for ingoing AND outgoing baudrate for serial coms.
[03:56:48] <miss0r> But unfortunatly it seems that the baud rate was not the bottleneck. It is the RAM access it would seem
[03:59:58] <Wolf__> control upgrade time?
[04:00:16] <miss0r> I have been dreaming of doing so for a long time
[04:00:49] <miss0r> But the procedure is proving too complex for me. well, I'm sure I would succeed - but I need the mill for my work
[04:00:58] <miss0r> so, I can't have a too long down time
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[04:01:49] <miss0r> damnit. How many clients to you have on here?! :D
[04:01:57] <Wolf__> too many
[04:02:07] <Wolf__> I need to set up ZNC
[04:04:45] <miss0r> The operation of retrofitting it would involve: -10-+10v driving the three servo drivers. 0-10v for the VFD. A table for the electro mecanic gear changers. the central oiling system. the tool changer. all the limit switches, and worst of all, in my opition; the philips linear scalle reader heads, which output something(I can't recall what at the moment) that I have been unable to use for anything plus I have only
[04:04:45] <miss0r> read threads online where people failed to utilize them
[04:04:56] <rmu> RAM access is improbably, possibly it has to do with lacking FIFO in UART or low IRQ priority
[04:05:35] <miss0r> what ever you describe it as, the data is taking a long time to be stored :]
[04:05:57] <rmu> i remember BBSing @ 2400bps. not much fun.
[04:06:55] <miss0r> I found, a while back, a place that sells a complete retrofit kit for the mill. with a new control box'n everything for it. Plug'n play with the existing connectors for the PLC
[04:07:03] <rmu> it was the limit speed for the C64 soft-uart IIRC, but worked only when turning off the DMA of the VIC, so no screen while transferring
[04:07:23] <miss0r> It was ridiculously expensive IIRC, but I've had second thoughts about buying it. But as it happens, I am now unable to find the seller again
[04:07:37] <miss0r> I believe it was made in romania or something like that
[04:08:11] <rmu> can't help much with the scales. I'm still stuck with the toolchanger in my retrofit (completely different machine)
[04:09:05] <miss0r> :] Well, at some point I'll either A) replace the machine or B) get a new one and set this one aside(where I do not know, as I have very little space) and then do a retro fit of it
[04:09:12] <rmu> toolchanger is a pain
[04:10:01] <miss0r> how so? I would think that part should be pretty straight forward
[04:12:02] <rmu> slight impedance mismatch with linuxcnc, and the machine has 2 spindles
[04:12:22] <miss0r> uhoh. that can do it :D
[04:13:26] <miss0r> if my mill had been two years younger, I would have been able to dripfeed it
[04:13:39] <rmu> i think linuxcnc wants to be tool number == pocket number with this type of changer, but that doesn't fit with any conceivable workflow
[04:13:43] <miss0r> that would've made a hell of a difference. If I had that option, I would not be dreaming of retrofitting it
[04:13:59] <miss0r> Write your own macro to run it then?
[04:16:15] <rmu> didn't really get around to it yet
[04:17:12] <miss0r> damn be all of your day to day responsibilities. Imagine what we could acomplish if we didn't need to worrie about funding it :D
[04:19:36] <Wolf__> i would need a bigger garage
[04:19:57] <rmu> hehe... e.g. astrophotography
[04:20:35] <miss0r> hehe, I already need a bigger garage :D
[04:21:45] <Wolf__> wonder how cheap some of this stuff is going to go for https://www.bidspotter.com
[04:24:00] <miss0r> One thing that I need to get at some point; I don't know the english word for it, but it is a machine with a verticle spindle, where you can set the radius of rotation on a fast spinning grinder, that travels up and down. Excellent for making nice holes in larger workpeices
[04:24:24] <miss0r> But they have largely been replaced by wire EDM
[04:27:56] <miss0r> Any of you know what such a machine is called, by any chance?
[04:29:15] <Wolf__> no idea
[04:35:03] <rmu> i can't quite picture how that "set the radius on a fast spinning grinder" would work
[04:37:19] <miss0r> Imagine having a boring head. Instead of having a boring bar inserted there, you have a rotating grinder spindle
[04:37:37] <miss0r> then the z-axis moves up and down as it grins away ever so slightly
[04:38:26] <miss0r> freck. I can't even remember the name in danish. A friend of mine is comming over later, he will know what I am talking about. Then I will see if I can post a result by then
[04:38:36] <rmu> what is this used for? id grinding of large bores?
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[04:42:07] <rmu> obviously
[04:45:33] <miss0r> that and grinding multible bores on the same plane
[04:46:41] <miss0r> Before wire EDM is was -THE- goto machine for acurate bores on workpieces that was not suitable for being spun up in a lathe
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[06:26:30] <Tom_L> miss0r, on the serial, add a bit of delay between bits
[06:26:50] <Tom_L> i did that on my bud's and it works fine
[06:28:51] <Tom_L> i use realterm for that
[06:29:01] <Tom_L> it allows you to do all sorts of things
[06:36:46] <jthornton> morning
[06:38:07] <Deejay> yo
[06:39:22] <XXCoder> hey
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[09:55:06] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com
[09:55:13] <_methods> cool flying vehicle
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[10:24:46] <gregcnc_> _methods did you put your order in?
[10:41:26] <_methods> hah no kidding
[10:41:28] <_methods> i need to
[10:42:23] <syyl> i still wait for my moeller skycar, i ordered in 1995.
[10:43:21] <_methods> lol
[10:43:26] <_methods> it's almost finished
[10:43:29] <_methods> 2 more weeks
[10:44:57] <gregcnc_> 25 miles then find a 25kW charger to charge in 30 min? it's a toy
[10:45:49] <_methods> just keep a small fusion reactor in the back seat
[10:48:37] <gregcnc_> price of an SUV, toyota or porsche?
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[10:59:54] <syyl> Mr. Fusion?
[11:00:00] <syyl> runs on bio-waste
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[11:10:11] <Beachbumpete1> _methods what did you order ;)
[11:15:03] <_methods> a flyin "car"
[11:15:07] <_methods> jk
[11:15:10] <_methods> i wish
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[12:12:56] <Joe_Hildreth> Does HAL in LCNC mean Hardware Abstraction Layer, or does it have another meaning?
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[12:14:31] <Rab> Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer
[12:14:37] <Joe_Hildreth> Never mind, it says so in the docs. Sorry for jumping the gun folks.
[12:14:46] <Rab> ;)
[12:15:06] <Rab> http://linuxcnc.org
[12:15:50] <Joe_Hildreth> Rab, my brain today is trying to checkout I guess. Sometimes I get into the weeds of things and the simplest stuff passes me by. Old age I guess!
[12:16:01] <fragalot> that's just an excuse
[12:16:05] <fragalot> experience should make up for old age :P
[12:16:15] <Joe_Hildreth> Right!?!?!
[12:17:28] <Rab> Pattern recognition is the superpower of old age. Unfortunately, patterns you can't recognize are the kryptonite.
[12:20:02] <Joe_Hildreth> HAHA, you have a point there Rab, Now if I could only find my cape in all this mess!
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[12:22:47] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[12:22:54] <fragalot> I mean - he did guess what HAL meant correctly
[12:23:03] <fragalot> the real killer is self doubt :P
[12:23:04] <IchGucksLive> .weather Zweibrücken
[12:23:46] <IchGucksLive> so donald now having tee with the queen
[12:24:06] <fragalot> tea*
[12:24:42] * fragalot is leaving for iceland tomorrow
[12:25:16] <fragalot> and I have to say, packing to go wild camping for 14 days with only a single luggage allowance is interesting
[12:25:22] <Joe_Hildreth> I have read the docs quite a few times over the last 5 or 6 years, but as I develop these YT tutorials, I have been trying to cature small details that I think I take for granted but I want to pass along to the end new user. I get caught up in minutia sometimes and I don't know what happens
[12:25:46] <Joe_Hildreth> Must be a tree -VS- forrest thing. Or ... Old age!
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[12:26:38] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, hi as my YT of 250.000 people they only want to know the pinconnection of there BOB
[12:26:46] <IchGucksLive> hi gloops
[12:27:07] <gloops> hi Ichs
[12:27:20] <IchGucksLive> DT is having tee with her majesty
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[12:28:37] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, dont put to many effort into it as we loosing ground day after day
[12:28:46] <Joe_Hildreth> IchGucksLive, you are probably correct in your assertion. But the point of these tutorials is to try to teach the system as best I can. I want the end result to be a series that will show someone how to use it for their needs and stay away from case examples.
[12:29:03] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, in PC tomes below 2 cpu and 2Ghz times have been diferent
[12:30:03] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, and as 2.8 new trayionary planer comes on it is working different
[12:30:48] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, i like the idee of a new impulse
[12:30:51] <Joe_Hildreth> I thought the new trajectory planner was in place with 2.7. I know that 2.8 will have better homing control for gantry.
[12:31:45] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, i did it on Freecad and as now 0,18 is up it all is worthless i deleted 40 Videos at near 80k views
[12:34:08] <Joe_Hildreth> SO you felt like none of the information you gave in those videos would apply to the new release of Freecad? Is that why you removed them?
[12:34:35] <IchGucksLive> yes people folowing by klick
[12:35:03] <IchGucksLive> and if menues change and workflow behavier it fails in my eys the target
[12:35:06] <Joe_Hildreth> Hmm.... I suppose I will have to think on that a bit.
[12:35:29] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, let me give you a LCNC example
[12:35:42] <Joe_Hildreth> ok
[12:35:49] <IchGucksLive> the stepconf wizard changed at 2.7
[12:36:18] <IchGucksLive> and there have been 100 mails a day and lots of here got also involved
[12:36:31] <IchGucksLive> and then we changed it back in 2.7.2
[12:36:33] <Joe_Hildreth> Yes, but the HAL file remained the same.
[12:36:43] <IchGucksLive> no
[12:37:20] <IchGucksLive> if you take a INI/HAL from 2.6.11 it will change on first load
[12:37:40] <IchGucksLive> it will laso Fail to load on the given advices
[12:38:02] <IchGucksLive> Normal people using stepconf only are upset
[12:38:23] <IchGucksLive> as there mashine will wihout manuell change not load
[12:39:01] <IchGucksLive> AND for me personly i got iin real trouble as near 6 schools updated on advice
[12:39:05] <Joe_Hildreth> I think stepconf is a good starting point, but at some point you have to involve yourself with the files because stepconf will destroy changes. Isn't that true?
[12:39:15] <IchGucksLive> an non of the 200 mashine did work agaiun
[12:39:34] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, yes
[12:40:26] <IchGucksLive> my personel problem seams to be only my one is if i invert axis dir the homing is full wrong
[12:40:46] <IchGucksLive> axis moving on -2 in positiv axis direction
[12:41:04] <Joe_Hildreth> I kind of think that stepconf is okay for initial setup, but after that modifications probably should be made to the files themselves. But, keep in mind that I am only a hobbyist and my knowledge base is quite small to those who build production machines.
[12:41:06] <IchGucksLive> i need to change trhe complete cabeling
[12:41:14] <IchGucksLive> on up to 500 mashines
[12:41:26] <IchGucksLive> to get people thinking wright
[12:41:51] <IchGucksLive> therfor
[12:42:12] <IchGucksLive> if you saying red cable to pin ena*
[12:42:41] <IchGucksLive> they do but mach has the black one there and works on Negative system
[12:43:02] <IchGucksLive> 85% will not do the red one to *
[12:43:09] <IchGucksLive> positiv +
[12:43:47] <IchGucksLive> and then here claiming i cabled/wired "as shown"
[12:44:01] <IchGucksLive> thne the alrm brain cells ring twice
[12:44:35] <IchGucksLive> WE all Thank the China Designer he mentiond that and made the system 5V save
[12:45:12] <IchGucksLive> AND NOW as 2 Powersorses run the system %V logic and 12-24V INPUT most get more in trouble
[12:45:32] <IchGucksLive> Joe_Hildreth, im near 71 years old
[12:45:54] <IchGucksLive> so i like you and 'wolf to be the better teatcher
[12:46:08] <nubcake> Good Evening everyone
[12:46:28] <nubcake> hi IchGucksLive, geht's gut? :)
[12:46:38] <Joe_Hildreth> I see your point IchGucksLive.
[12:46:40] <IchGucksLive> nubcake, at queens teeparty they will serve you
[12:47:00] <Joe_Hildreth> Called awasy from desk, be back as soon as I can.
[12:47:01] <IchGucksLive> nubcake, priuma
[12:47:13] <nubcake> IchGucksLive, freut mich.
[12:47:35] <IchGucksLive> hier liegen so 2000 strandnixen im 50 meter radius
[12:47:40] <IchGucksLive> 200
[12:47:52] <nubcake> wow.. das wär's jetzt.. :D
[12:47:59] <IchGucksLive> 30grad luft und 22 wasser
[12:48:07] <nubcake> Ich sitz hier nur rum und zerbrech mir den Kopf..
[12:48:13] <nubcake> bist du im Freibad oder am See?
[12:48:19] <IchGucksLive> see
[12:48:33] <IchGucksLive> kopf zerbrechen um die urzeit
[12:48:54] <IchGucksLive> auf Schicht am rechner
[12:49:00] <IchGucksLive> dumm gelaufen
[12:49:25] <nubcake> Ja Ich such zurzeit nen halbwegs vernünftigen Frequenzumrichter für meine 3040 (800W Wassergekühlte) fräse. Hab das billige Chinateil rausgeschmissen und wollte nen kleinen Micromaster von Siemens verbauen. Jetzt geht das Teil aber nur bis 10.000rpm :(
[12:49:56] <nubcake> wollte eigentlich bei 230V Zuleitung bleiben, aber scheinbar muss ich wohl doch 3phasig fahren.
[12:50:27] <IchGucksLive> der original hyanyang ist doch supper
[12:50:35] <IchGucksLive> was ist da schlecht
[12:50:58] <nubcake> öhm.. ich weiß ehrlich gesagt nicht, welcher das war, aber das ist nur ne Platine mit Chinesischen zeichen drauf, ohne viel Konfigurationsmöglichkeiten
[12:51:02] <IchGucksLive> 100hz bis 400
[12:51:16] <IchGucksLive> ah ok
[12:51:32] <IchGucksLive> nubcake, VFD spindle oder bcdl
[12:51:58] <nubcake> VFD
[12:53:21] <IchGucksLive> https://www.ebay.de
[12:53:33] <IchGucksLive> DAS ist der Neueste
[12:53:38] <IchGucksLive> ein suppper teil
[12:53:43] <nubcake> das sieht schon eher nach nem umrichter aus ^^
[12:54:06] <nubcake> läßt sich der auch halbwegs ordentlich parametrieren?
[12:54:17] <IchGucksLive> 260 parameter
[12:54:21] <nubcake> also quasi für local/remote Frequenz usw. ?
[12:54:35] <IchGucksLive> 8 Multi eingänge
[12:54:56] <IchGucksLive> aller schnick schnack auich 485
[12:55:05] <nubcake> Ah, super
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[12:55:16] <nubcake> für den preis?
[12:55:29] <nubcake> also SEW, Lenze, Siemens usw. sind da schon 4 Stellig...
[12:56:05] <IchGucksLive> der geht bei mir mit der 1,5KW 6A spindle auch bei 5000 noch supper
[12:56:15] <IchGucksLive> obwohl min 6000 sind
[12:56:20] <IchGucksLive> RPM
[12:56:26] <IchGucksLive> bis 24000
[12:56:50] <nubcake> Ok, muss ich irgendwas bezüglich Anschluss beachten, oder einfach Regular L1, L2, L3 - U1, V1, W1 ?
[12:56:57] <IchGucksLive> 0-5V 0-10V -5/5
[12:57:12] <nubcake> ach 0-10 hätte mir schon völlig ausgereicht :D
[12:57:49] <IchGucksLive> kann auch eine externe lüfter wenn in der BOX verbaut
[12:57:56] <IchGucksLive> 5 Ausgänge
[12:58:24] <IchGucksLive> hab ich oft das der angeht bei 65Grad
[12:58:49] <IchGucksLive> ist zusätzlich EMI gesichert
[12:58:59] <IchGucksLive> wobei das die kabel ausmachen
[12:59:07] <nubcake> klar, schirmung halt
[12:59:23] <nubcake> sieht auf den ersten blick nicht schlecht aus, ich such gerade immernoch den haken :D
[12:59:54] <IchGucksLive> Regelt irgendwie nach bei drehzahlverlust hab das aber noch nicht so geblickt wo man das beeinflussen kann
[13:00:03] <IchGucksLive> hat bis 3KW eine bremse
[13:00:05] <nubcake> ach du meinst die drehmomentkompensation
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[13:00:38] <IchGucksLive> das gefällt mir garnicht
[13:00:57] <IchGucksLive> die Schüler sollen das machne
[13:01:00] <nubcake> müßte torque boost sein, falls das irgendwo nachlesbar ist als parameter.
[13:01:24] <IchGucksLive> hyanyang hat die pdf online
[13:01:26] <nubcake> hast du die ungefähren abmessungen von dem teil?
[13:01:31] <nubcake> ah ok
[13:04:12] <IchGucksLive> https://www.shopmasterusa.com
[13:05:22] <nubcake> ohgott... die übersetzung ist aber teilweise grausam :D
[13:05:45] <IchGucksLive> ich nutze fast ausschlieslihc hyanyang
[13:05:51] <IchGucksLive> 85euro
[13:06:08] <nubcake> P0-14 wäre dann dein automatisches nachregeln, wenn du den auf 0.0 stellst, darf er nicht mehr hoch oder runter regeln
[13:06:39] <IchGucksLive> werde ich mitwoch testen
[13:07:07] <nubcake> also P0-14 ist für Drehmoment nachregeln, P0-015 ist für Schlupfkompensation, also wenn der rotor hinterherläuft quasi
[13:09:03] <nubcake> http://www.becker-antriebstechnik.org ich denke das ist ne relativ gute erklärung
[13:12:03] <IchGucksLive> yo das werde ich da mal testen
[13:12:14] <IchGucksLive> ich bin dann mal weg
[13:12:17] <IchGucksLive> Gn8
[13:12:19] <nubcake> Hab mir den Umrichter mal bestellt, für den Preis kann man da nicht viel kaputt machen, danke schonmal
[13:12:26] <nubcake> Dir auch eine gute Nacht :)
[13:12:32] <nubcake> Mach's gut, schönes Wochenende
[13:12:51] <IchGucksLive> wochenende ist hier immer die hölle da fallen sie über uns her
[13:13:02] <IchGucksLive> und bei dem wetter kommen sie zu tausenden
[13:13:15] <nubcake> Ohje, dann angenehmes Überfallen lassen... :D
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[13:35:05] <Beachbumpete1> Anyone have an opinion of this TronXY X5SA 3D printer kit? It looks decent and it pretty cheap actually.. Good sized envelope as well.
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[13:48:46] <Tom_L> Beachbumpete1, water cooled spindle: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[13:48:49] <Tom_L> :D
[13:49:19] <Beachbumpete1> \O/
[13:49:26] <Beachbumpete1> :)
[13:51:28] <Tom_L> we'll see if it helps any
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[14:56:41] <CaptHindsight> 24Nm force feedback wheel
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[15:09:04] <JT-Shopp> now that's a redneck water cooler lol
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[15:42:27] <CaptHindsight> https://www.jove.com jump to %:00 they wrote their own motion control software
[15:42:43] <CaptHindsight> jump to 5:00
[15:43:55] <CaptHindsight> https://cloudflare.jove.com
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[15:45:46] <Tecan> cool i got a php midi to rtttl converter to work on cli
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[15:50:18] <Tecan> https://github.com
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[16:10:40] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:39:27] <Flopper> hello
[16:41:01] <gloops> evening
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[18:32:18] <Tecan> www.jcomeau.com/src neat page
[18:38:59] <gloops> https://www.warhistoryonline.com
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[19:02:16] <tjb1> Any resources for post editing in SheetCAM?
[19:14:49] <andypugh> tjb1: Are you on the mailing list?
[19:14:57] <tjb1> no
[19:15:09] <andypugh> Les Newell is…
[19:16:01] <andypugh> (I mean the LinuxCNC mailing list)
[19:16:23] <andypugh> He is obviously going to be on the SheetCAM one if there is one.
[19:16:44] <tjb1> Well he did a post for me when I first got it but I didn't want to keep sending him requests for the post
[19:16:55] <tjb1> I guess I could just read all the provided ones and try to figure it out
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[20:18:50] <tjb1> yahoo groups is pretty terrible...
[20:19:05] <tjb1> Cant even read topic titles to find anything on the sheetcam group
[20:20:24] <ziper> they are like 10 years out of date by now arn't they?
[20:28:50] <tjb1> This is what it looks like for me - https://i.imgur.com
[20:33:57] <hazzy-lab> I hate yahoo groups, thankfully most I care about have moved to groups.io
[20:34:35] <XXCoder> yahoo dont know how to handle their own site
[20:35:10] <XXCoder> theres probably so many wtfs coming out of programmer office door that it turns into white noise
[20:35:31] <hazzy-lab> lol
[20:36:29] <hazzy-lab> I had a bellsouth email for a LONG time, but when yahoo started taking it over it became a joke
[20:37:14] <CaptHindsight> is ymail still working?
[20:38:15] <hazzy-lab> The last straw was when they started having scantily clad ladies dancing around the edges of my inbox
[20:38:30] <XXCoder> that requires actually visiting site to check. I care not to do that.,
[20:38:48] <XXCoder> hazzy really? lol I left long before that
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[20:39:25] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: It was unbelievably infuriating (not to mention embarrassing)
[20:39:42] <XXCoder> certainly not something you want to happen at worksite.
[20:39:50] <XXCoder> expecially if your boss is looking over
[20:40:21] <hazzy-lab> yeah, and thats the only time I had to log into the web based inbox, was at work
[20:40:40] <hazzy-lab> On my own machine I had my own client
[20:40:58] <XXCoder> "the flat earth society has members all around the globe"
[20:41:02] <XXCoder> lol
[20:41:09] <hazzy-lab> LOL, thats pretty good
[20:41:11] <XXCoder> hazzy I guess you moved on after that?
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[20:41:26] <XXCoder> hazzy-lab: it was offical group post. which makes it 1000% more funny
[20:42:12] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: yep, dumped them as fast as I could, and moved the gmail (which has its own problems)
[20:42:23] <XXCoder> gmail isnt bad, using it
[20:42:29] <XXCoder> certainly no ladies
[20:43:26] <hazzy-lab> no, I love the gmail interface, but I try to avoid google stuff if I can, can't trust them
[20:43:45] <ziper> why use yahoo groups instead of a regular forum
[20:43:53] <hazzy-lab> I hosted my own email server for a bit, but that was a pain
[20:44:22] <XXCoder> google singularity. it will happen evenually.
[20:44:45] <XXCoder> ziper: as often in this kind of stuff, history
[20:44:50] <hazzy-lab> yep, sooner then later too
[20:45:01] <XXCoder> group is old enough that groups was pretty good when they started
[20:45:53] <hazzy-lab> group.io is run the by the guy that started yahoo groups. he left because he did not like the way it was going
[20:46:05] <XXCoder> anyone remember ezboards?
[20:46:24] <hazzy-lab> not me. probably before I was born :D
[20:46:24] <XXCoder> im member of one forum that was there for years, got hacked twice so had it and moved to own server
[20:46:37] <XXCoder> ez is dead now I think
[20:48:03] <XXCoder> yep
[20:49:26] <XXCoder> geocities anyone? lol
[20:51:13] <CaptHindsight> wow
[20:51:48] <CaptHindsight> wikispaces
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[20:52:23] <CaptHindsight> I remember when people thought AOL was the whole internet
[20:52:32] <XXCoder> I did, in 1993
[20:52:48] <CaptHindsight> compuserve
[20:53:08] <XXCoder> aol was really bad company
[20:53:17] <XXCoder> double and trile charged people, refused to refund
[20:53:38] <CaptHindsight> they locked me out of email
[20:53:47] <XXCoder> refused to close my account so I made a cheap scroller program and scrolled bunch of chatrooms till I was banned for life
[20:54:06] <CaptHindsight> one day they just started asking you to verify the fake info you used to setup the accounts
[20:54:18] <CaptHindsight> who could keep track :)
[20:54:31] <XXCoder> lol
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[20:55:36] <CaptHindsight> same for x@netscape.net
[20:55:41] <hazzy-lab> CaptHindsight: I got locked out of a gmail account for sending too many email to myself xD
[20:55:42] <hazzy-lab> I was testing a python script form sending notifications to a list
[20:55:46] <XXCoder> it saddened me to annoy bunch of groups :( but I had to get myself banned
[20:56:03] <XXCoder> aol was costing me way too much money with double billings
[20:56:15] <CaptHindsight> hazzy-lab: not happy with Google myself. I don't trust any of their services anymore
[20:56:36] <CaptHindsight> they even bother me about my mac address changing too much
[20:56:52] <CaptHindsight> verify your login, suspicious behavior
[20:57:14] <CaptHindsight> you mean like every time I login I have a different MAC?
[20:57:29] <CaptHindsight> what the F is the password for then?
[20:57:45] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:57:49] <hazzy-lab> WTH? Thats craszy
[20:57:58] <XXCoder> all websites I have login at have long and ugly password
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[20:58:22] <CaptHindsight> Goggle wants to send a "phone" a verification number
[20:59:43] <hazzy-lab> CaptHindsight: if you refuse to verify by phone too many times they lock you out and make you pay like $0.30 by credit card to verify who you are
[20:59:48] <CaptHindsight> Google wishes to tie all your tracking info your account as much as possible...
[21:00:01] <hazzy-lab> They don't like anonymous users
[21:00:11] <XXCoder> no money in anon info
[21:00:28] <CaptHindsight> they don't like changing MAC's or VPN's
[21:01:00] <hazzy-lab> I guess because that is another good way to identify you
[21:01:00] <CaptHindsight> glad they still have pay as you go debit cards
[21:01:47] <CaptHindsight> and they are also deputized by the justice dept
[21:01:55] <CaptHindsight> but don't talk about that
[21:04:01] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Anon trailer
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[21:13:53] <hazzy-lab> Oh boy, this discussion just prompted me to check my kcjengr.com email address, which I haven't checked in ages
[21:14:13] <hazzy-lab> I have all sorts of emails about some massive bridge construction project, I guess there is some kcjengr firm that does bridge construction, and their clients email me by accident
[21:15:00] <XXCoder> lol
[21:15:27] <XXCoder> I have maybe 4 email address that I havent checked for years. m sure my y mail have been deactivated years ago
[21:21:39] <hazzy-lab> Aha, I am being confused with KCJ Engineering, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California. their website is kcjeng.com, very similar to mine
[21:21:57] <XXCoder> steal some of their business heh
[21:22:06] <hazzy-lab> LOL, that's an idea!
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[22:06:02] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: https://xkcd.com
[22:14:37] <XXCoder> yep lol
[22:14:47] <XXCoder> hey andypugh I recall you have a project but forgot what it was
[22:16:07] <andypugh> I have so many projects _I_ forget what they are. You need to be more specific.
[22:17:14] <XXCoder> cant recall. you was posting some videos
[22:18:11] <Tom_shop> i must say as ghetto as it may be, the spindle motor is staying cool now
[22:18:16] <Tom_shop> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:18:30] <andypugh> I really am lacking xontext here.
[22:18:40] <andypugh> (context)
[22:18:58] <XXCoder> and I cant recall enough, like what it was, even. lol drat
[22:19:10] <andypugh> Time for a new keyboard, I wore the letters off this one)
[22:19:12] <XXCoder> Tom_shop: whatever works.
[22:19:35] <XXCoder> heh my apple keyboard is 15 years old, still has letters. very shiny buttons, some of em though
[22:19:48] <XXCoder> seperate plastic color molds keys rock
[22:20:23] <andypugh> XXCoder: This is an Apple keyboard. I should take it back
[22:20:31] <XXCoder> alum board one?
[22:20:36] <andypugh> Yes
[22:20:40] <XXCoder> wow
[22:20:54] <XXCoder> wonder when they changed to embossed not plastic molding
[22:21:10] <XXCoder> you can take my keyboard from my cold dead fingers
[22:21:56] <andypugh> I was going ro say I type more than I talk, but then I remembered that you are probably even more skewed that way.
[22:22:17] <XXCoder> this keyboard went though a LOT pof programming sessions also
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[22:23:38] <Tom_shop> i've got an old northgate i've replaced a few caps on but it still works great
[22:23:59] <Tom_shop> worn out several cheap ones along the way but it still works
[22:24:49] <XXCoder> old keyboards is awesome
[22:24:50] <andypugh> I _like_ this keyboard. I even persuaded a friend with a “clicky IBM” fetish to try one, and he was converted.
[22:25:12] <XXCoder> I used to have ibm xt ones but it got rusted by water leak in closet :(
[22:26:07] <Tom_shop> i think most of the old good ones used cherry switches
[22:26:38] <XXCoder> timw to mow ugh layer
[22:27:39] <infornography> mow them lawyers
[22:29:11] <andypugh> Here we have a (short and pointless) review of the keyboard I use. https://www.youtube.com
[22:31:25] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: do the ECU's you program use an OS?
[22:31:34] <andypugh> It isnt’t a clicky long-travel classic, but at least one friend of mine (a journalist and author, he types all day) was converted to that from the clicky-IBM he thought he needed. Your opinion might vary.
[22:31:55] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: No not really.
[22:32:34] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: ever peek inside https://github.com
[22:33:50] <andypugh> There is a scheduler that runs the 10mS, 20mS and 100mS tasks, and the crank-synchronous tasks. It feels a lot like HAL with a base-thread that steals more CPU at high-rpm
[22:34:05] <CaptHindsight> interesting
[22:34:27] <CaptHindsight> all in assembly?
[22:34:35] <andypugh> All in C
[22:34:45] <CaptHindsight> even better
[22:34:54] <andypugh> (and a lot of auto-coded into C Simulink
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[22:35:58] <CaptHindsight> that GPL project is done mostly in c++
[22:36:08] <CaptHindsight> runs on stm32
[22:36:14] <andypugh> (coding in Simulink makes documentaion of what the code does easer for the lkes of me. I am on favour.
[22:37:23] <andypugh> Yeah, we max out an asymmetric tricore (ARM, PowerPC, DSP) CPU
[22:38:13] <CaptHindsight> infineon?
[22:38:30] <CaptHindsight> if poke too far say so
[22:39:02] <andypugh> But we run diagnostics, emissions, cruise-control, 8 pumps, dozens of actuators…
[22:39:31] <CaptHindsight> you work on the smaller diesels?
[22:39:54] <andypugh> I don’t actually know how makes the chip. The module supplier is Continental.
[22:40:33] <CaptHindsight> https://www.infineon.com
[22:40:49] <andypugh> I work on the big Euro diesels, which are mych smaller than the US small siesels.
[22:40:57] <CaptHindsight> they mention ECU's as a main application
[22:41:27] <andypugh> That is likely to be the one
[22:41:42] <andypugh> Would make a _great_ CNC controller.
[22:42:20] <CaptHindsight> was considering the i.mx8 for that
[22:42:44] <CaptHindsight> more power than the BBB with an open source GPU that works
[22:42:59] <CaptHindsight> and 2 microcontrollers for stepping
[22:43:20] <CaptHindsight> https://www.nxp.com
[22:44:15] <CaptHindsight> would make sense for machinekit to jump ship and move over to it
[22:44:27] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: thats a good XKCD
[22:44:39] <hazzy-lab> wait, there all good
[22:45:00] <andypugh> I like 123 and 386
[22:45:33] <andypugh> I am not sure if he aligns the good ones to Geek-notable numbers
[22:47:00] <hazzy-lab> Ho, 123 is gold!
[22:47:03] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: have the anti-trump protesters been out and about by you? or is that just in London?
[22:47:06] <andypugh> 1024 is nice, but I just found it by trying a nunber :-)
[22:47:22] <andypugh> Just London
[22:48:41] <andypugh> Trump seems to think that they represent a minority. Certainly thr protestos are a (countable) miinority, but I suspect they represent a majority opinion in the UK.
[22:49:14] <andypugh> The man’s a twat
[22:49:26] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see the big baby trump ballon
[22:49:35] <CaptHindsight> balloon even
[22:50:06] <CaptHindsight> time for a pint or two, hasta
[22:50:10] <andypugh> I’d like to see Branson (big in balloons) make a reallly big one :-)
[22:50:20] <CaptHindsight> haha
[22:50:44] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: 314 is good too (another nerd number?)
[22:53:47] <andypugh> 271 is a bit poor
[22:54:12] <andypugh> He can make it back with 2718
[22:55:19] <andypugh> 356 is a favourite of mine. A friend spent years on it.
[22:55:41] <andypugh> (but not a geeky number, AFAIK)
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[22:56:49] <hazzy-lab> 356 is good
[22:57:15] <hazzy-lab> some how I never get tired of 730
[22:57:51] <hazzy-lab> mainly because I see real circuit diagrams that are about like that, lol
[23:00:51] <andypugh> What does it do in SPICE?
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[23:02:59] <andypugh> It seems that the restor network has beem solved many times.
[23:16:23] <hazzy-lab> 730 reminds me of that time a senior design team thought a little arduino relay took in 12VDC and output 10A @ 240VAC. They brought their project to me to trouble shoot, and it tool my like 45 min looking at their schematic to figure out what they were thinking, lol
[23:16:38] <hazzy-lab> They were trying to run a AC motor off a car battery
[23:24:53] <andypugh> Were you as embarassed as the time ot took me two days to spot that a cylinder pressure plot I was sent went down to -3 bar?
[23:26:54] <andypugh> Anyway, I have things to do and places to go tomorrow. Err, today..
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[23:54:55] <tjb1> well my lenovo stick is dead after their bios update...
[23:56:58] <tjb1> beautiful waste of $60