#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-07-16
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[00:25:07] <Wolf__> hmm, should I bid on a surface grinder
[00:27:27] <XXCoder> need it?
[00:28:16] <Wolf__> I think I do lol
[00:28:30] <XXCoder> is it good or reasonable repair?
[00:28:51] <Wolf__> in service from a tool and die shop that went under
[00:30:25] <Wolf__> its a small Reid 618HL
[00:33:44] <XXCoder> not bad. pricing not too bad?
[00:33:56] <Wolf__> opening bid is 300
[00:34:22] <Wolf__> I wouldnt be surprised if it goes at opening price
[00:35:09] <Wolf__> eye that and a deckel tool grinder
[00:35:17] <Wolf__> eyeing*
[00:37:47] <Wolf__> hell they have a VF3 Haas opening bid 7500, no bid yet
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[02:21:47] <IchGucksLive> morning from germany
[02:22:24] <IchGucksLive> lots of damage here after the hail/ice storm
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[02:22:41] <IchGucksLive> log
[02:25:21] <c-log> IchGucksLive: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[02:25:48] <IchGucksLive> im off 2 garden till later
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[02:46:17] <Deejay> moin
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[04:22:34] <selroc> hi pink_vampire|2
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[05:08:14] <norias> i'm working towards having a get together
[05:08:21] <norias> for the machinists in my city
[05:08:45] <norias> but i'm thinking... that could actually be a far bigger event than I was thinking
[06:00:04] <jthornton> morning
[06:00:34] <XXCoder> yo
[06:06:13] <norias> oi
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[06:07:41] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[06:07:45] <norias> hi
[06:07:53] <IchGucksLive> norias, where is the event
[06:08:05] <norias> not sure yet
[06:08:12] <norias> this is just the contemplation stage
[06:08:16] <IchGucksLive> Continent at least
[06:08:19] <norias> there was a guy from my city
[06:08:23] <norias> Pittsburgh, PA, USA
[06:08:31] <IchGucksLive> im in Germany
[06:08:34] <norias> his name was George Westinghouse
[06:08:41] <norias> he had a machine shop
[06:08:43] <IchGucksLive> so i think im not paticipating
[06:08:48] <norias> and would have these dinners
[06:09:08] <norias> and it got the people talking about technical problems in an unofficial setting
[06:09:11] <IchGucksLive> tessla woudt love to join
[06:09:15] <norias> so, they were less constrained
[06:09:24] <norias> and it was really productive
[06:09:29] <norias> that's where i got the idea
[06:09:34] <IchGucksLive> as we are here 24/7
[06:09:55] <norias> i think it was just be fun
[06:10:02] <norias> to have all the machinists in one city
[06:10:04] <norias> get together
[06:10:07] <IchGucksLive> norias, all about cnc my YT https://www.youtube.com
[06:10:26] <IchGucksLive> norias, what do you expect
[06:10:32] <norias> not much, really
[06:10:35] <norias> just a fun time
[06:10:39] <norias> see what happens
[06:10:44] <IchGucksLive> there are many different issues all facing
[06:10:51] <IchGucksLive> at different times
[06:10:53] <norias> that's the point - you can't have an expectation
[06:11:26] <norias> maybe someone is looking for a new job and another guy works in a cool shop looking for someone
[06:11:28] <IchGucksLive> most of the meetings alredy in place are only for view people
[06:11:28] <XXCoder> I would recommand certain periods od topic
[06:11:31] <norias> maybe we chat about wages
[06:11:47] <IchGucksLive> norias, its open sopurce
[06:11:52] <norias> just have an event and let shit happen
[06:12:16] <XXCoder> norias: yeah but same time should have say events spaced
[06:12:21] <IchGucksLive> Burningman in BRC did go business that far
[06:12:23] <XXCoder> so theres something to see or do
[06:13:05] <norias> well, i think it's just "meet other people in your field, have dinner"
[06:13:07] <IchGucksLive> norias, ask on arduino they are getting bigger within the time
[06:13:09] <norias> maybe watch a movie
[06:13:47] <IchGucksLive> norias, her it is more live Help chanel with good siscussion
[06:14:10] <IchGucksLive> some at breakfast more at dinner and even more at BBq
[06:14:26] <IchGucksLive> ints international around the clock
[06:14:55] <IchGucksLive> im off till 7pm Berlin Time
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[06:15:15] <norias> brb
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[06:29:17] <Tom_L> 78°f
[06:32:02] <jthornton> 72°F
[06:38:19] <XXCoder> 63f here heh. my room is 74f
[06:39:08] <MrHindsight> norias: https://www.meetup.com
[06:42:08] <norias> MrHindsight- thanks
[06:42:22] <norias> however, I am aware of these
[06:42:45] <MrHindsight> good luck
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[06:49:35] <norias> thanks
[06:51:04] <MrHindsight> https://secure.meetupstatic.com MDF machine base?
[06:52:01] <XXCoder> 2 layer of it it loks like
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[07:00:33] <MrHindsight> methods_: https://www.youtube.com Who Is America?
[07:02:00] <MrHindsight> Liberals are pushing their "anti-tragedy agenda."
[07:02:59] <norias> anti-tragdey agenda?
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[07:04:10] <rmu> norias: this channel gets a bit 4chan-esque at times
[07:04:34] <norias> rmu: i'm not exactly sure what that means, but i'll roll with it
[07:05:14] <MrHindsight> hilarious
[07:05:39] <MrHindsight> here's an example: https://www.theonion.com
[07:06:47] <norias> is that a ppk?
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[07:09:00] <XXCoder> what is ppk?
[07:09:16] <norias> type of handgun
[07:09:35] <norias> part of sort of a family of firearms
[07:09:43] <MrHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[07:09:44] <XXCoder> oh no idea
[07:09:46] <norias> the whole Walther PP family and it's clones
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[07:42:07] <asdfasd> bg
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[07:49:58] <Beachbumpete1> Good Morning LinuxCNC
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[07:59:03] <gloops> quiet again
[08:01:59] <MrHindsight> anti-noise agenda
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[08:12:53] <XXCoder> shh
[08:13:36] <Loetmichel> *gnaaaah* 235 turns with an allen key to open the BMW canopy manually.... but its resetted now and works with the motors again... aaand i get faster. first reset of the canopy controller took me 1 hour, now it took 15 min ;)
[08:16:17] <rebecca> anyone know where to get 4 core shielded cable with sufficient current/voltage specs for driving a 2.2kw spindle? i don't think the usual mic cable will cut it
[08:17:12] <Loetmichel> rebecca: oelflex from lappkabel
[08:18:35] <gloops> i got some offcuts off ebay
[08:19:53] <rebecca> Loetmichel: thanks but i have a policy of not doing business to people who do that stupid 'request a quote' bs
[08:20:15] <rebecca> gloops: what did you search for to find it?
[08:20:18] <XXCoder> to me request a quote is sign that i cnt afford it
[08:20:26] <rebecca> hehe that too
[08:20:28] <XXCoder> even if its likely one dollar
[08:20:34] <rebecca> but also stupidly annoying
[08:20:57] <rebecca> i visited their website and clicked on their catalog, THAT was me requesting a quote
[08:21:03] <XXCoder> indeed
[08:21:10] <MrHindsight> suplier do that to weed out the time wasters and small quantity buyers
[08:21:22] <rebecca> well, i suppose it works
[08:21:57] <XXCoder> now to sleep before I die. laters
[08:22:02] <rebecca> ni ni
[08:26:05] <gloops> rebecca - 6m long 7 core 1.5mm CY control cable multicore screened shielded braided
[08:28:07] <rebecca> thanks gloops, i'll give that a try
[08:29:01] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[08:29:26] <gloops> dont know if thats what youre looking for, i was told not to get CY but works fine for my machine
[08:31:39] <gloops> thats 3 core though..theres 4 core about same kind of thing on ebay
[08:32:01] <rebecca> mmm cool. yeah. 4core is what i need but that helps, thanks
[08:37:19] <rmu> Loetmichel: cut off allen key with angle grinder, put it into cordless drill
[08:40:29] <rebecca> what can't an angle grinder fix :D
[08:40:45] <rebecca> i made an allen key with an angle grinder once
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[08:46:38] <Loetmichel> rmu: would be dangerous. the car is from 1999, the flexible shafts that are driven by that allen key are a bit flimsy ,)
[08:48:12] <rmu> Loetmichel: get a brushless drill with electronic torque control, and a steady trigger finger ;)
[08:54:59] <makerman> hi
[08:56:26] <gloops> hi makerman
[09:00:25] <miss0r> seen syyl
[09:00:29] <miss0r> !seen syyl
[09:00:35] <miss0r> hm
[09:07:22] <JT-Shop> I think that bot is down
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[09:23:20] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[09:23:29] <IchGucksLive> makerman, bist du da
[09:23:52] <IchGucksLive> gloops, oelflex 110 chain is best
[09:23:59] <IchGucksLive> 4x0,75
[09:24:16] <IchGucksLive> for up to 6A
[09:24:30] <IchGucksLive> 4x0,5 up ztp 2.5A
[09:24:47] <gloops> well i just got what i found at that time Ichs, when you look properly theres all kinds of cable around not very expensive
[09:24:52] <Beachbumpete1> rebecca what kind of 3D printer was it you said you had? Still on the hunt for one here. Looking seriously at the Tronxy X5SA and the Creality 10 Both seem to have issues with QC and other details but honestly have yet to find one that has no issues LOL...
[09:25:22] <gloops> anywa afk
[09:25:38] <rebecca> Beachbumpete1: anycubic i3 mega
[09:25:52] <rebecca> very happy with it
[09:26:09] <Beachbumpete1> no issues at all?
[09:26:31] <Beachbumpete1> does that one have dual Z motors?
[09:27:13] <rebecca> the only gripe is have, and this is very minor, is the magnetic connector for the filament end sensor sometimes pops off
[09:27:18] <Beachbumpete1> the Ender3 seems to get good reviews as well..
[09:27:33] <rebecca> but it has never caused any actual problems. no interruption of printing or anything
[09:27:40] <rebecca> ok
[09:28:19] <Beachbumpete1> I kinda wanted a larger machine tho and the Tronxy X5SA looks like it could work great for that but it does have some issues and it is far more of a kit than the others. Perhaps some of those issues come from the inability of users
[09:28:45] <rebecca> maybe
[09:28:53] <Beachbumpete1> You basically build everything with the exception of some of the wiring is already done apparently.
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[09:29:16] <rebecca> one of the reasons i chose the i3 mega was it's not a kit. just 2 parts easily bolted together
[09:30:38] <Beachbumpete1> so that one appears to indeed have dual z motors and it looks like it comes with auto level as well...
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[09:31:55] <Beachbumpete1> that is indeed a valid point no worries just start using it right off the bat...
[09:33:08] <rebecca> yeah. i just wanted a reliable appliance type printer. and it fits that bill for me
[09:33:16] <rebecca> already building a cnc. didn't need another project
[09:34:03] <Beachbumpete1> yeah me too LOL
[09:34:13] <Beachbumpete1> have you printed anything interesting with it yet?
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[09:37:33] <rebecca> yeah, a nice selection. been exploring Cura settings and leveling up so to speak at different print challenges
[09:39:18] <IchGucksLive> we got around 4 big printermaker around here
[09:39:53] <IchGucksLive> https://saarpri.com
[09:40:19] <IchGucksLive> it prints for automotiv industrie around 10000 parts a day
[09:40:48] <IchGucksLive> faberhouse claims to print 5k parts a day
[09:41:00] <rebecca> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com https://imgur.com
[09:41:07] <IchGucksLive> ive been inside one of its printer rooms with 110 printer running
[09:41:31] <rebecca> FDM style?
[09:42:41] <IchGucksLive> makerman, ich bin immer um 7 uhr hier
[09:42:48] <IchGucksLive> im off folks
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[09:43:55] <Beachbumpete1> rebecca WOAH that baby groot looks amazing!!
[09:44:17] <rebecca> yeah, turned out all right :)
[09:44:37] <rebecca> you can also see an ITS print in one of the prints
[09:44:37] <Beachbumpete1> alright hell that thing is beautiful.. Nice job
[09:44:54] <rebecca> thanks :)
[09:46:45] <rebecca> https://www.thingiverse.com
[09:46:51] <rebecca> source model
[09:48:40] <rebecca> i printed it at 110%
[09:51:28] <enleth> have you ever seen/used any protective eyewear (for machining, grinding, etc.) that is actually properly hydrophobic on the inside and doesn't fog up *at all*?
[09:52:31] <rebecca> Beachbumpete1: might be worth learning to use openscad if you get a 3Dprinter. making a little pot container for the baby groot planter was a whole 2 lines of code: https://imgur.com
[09:53:01] <rebecca> enleth: i just licked the inside of my safety glasses if conditions made them fog up :D
[09:54:33] <rebecca> proper non-fogging ones would be nice
[09:54:45] <enleth> I don't even care how much they'd cost at this point
[09:54:58] <enleth> as long as they never fog up
[09:55:16] <rebecca> you can buy hydrophobic surface treatment solutions now
[09:55:22] <rebecca> maybe it's DIY-able?
[09:55:45] <miss0r> any of you ever machined the 1911 from the "newly" available online drawings?
[09:56:22] <enleth> rebecca: perhaps, if they're transparent and can be applied in a uniform layer that doesn't distort the view
[09:56:58] <rebecca> enleth: https://www.fasttech.com
[09:57:11] <rebecca> no idea if it would actually work but might be worth trying
[09:57:33] <rebecca> miss0r: 1911?
[09:57:50] <miss0r> sorry; the colt 1911 (original browning design)
[09:57:58] <enleth> rebecca: it is, I'll look for something like this locally
[09:58:17] <Wolf__> miss0r: its on my todo list
[09:58:29] <enleth> wonder if it sticks to polycarbonate, though
[09:58:37] <rebecca> miss0r: ahhh. no. prob illegal here.. not that i would anyway
[09:58:49] <miss0r> Wolf__: realy? But you're one of those imperial fellahs, right?
[09:59:01] <miss0r> rebecca: Here as well, which is why I will be making a scaled down model of it
[09:59:21] <rebecca> miss0r: ahhh ok :)
[09:59:21] <Wolf__> legal here
[09:59:37] <miss0r> wolf__: as long as it is for your own use, right?
[09:59:46] <rebecca> enleth: i might order some myself just to experiment.
[10:00:04] <Wolf__> yeah, only need federal license if making for resale
[10:00:12] <miss0r> I've downloaded the drawings from online, but It is killing me that everything is in inches. Alot of calculations for when doing the cad
[10:00:55] <miss0r> I've found a very good description of the inner workings :D : http://i.imgur.com
[10:01:08] <Wolf__> which I have been thinking about going that route, doing gunsmithing/manufacturing
[10:01:11] <enleth> miss0r: uh, doesn't your CAD allow you to input dimensions in inches even if it displays metric?
[10:01:20] <Wolf__> ^
[10:01:34] <enleth> miss0r: I'm almost certainly sure any CAD I've used does that just fine
[10:01:50] <Wolf__> I do that all the time w/ the cad I use, mixing units during input
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[10:02:15] <miss0r> enleth: I'm sure it does. But honnestly, to me inches are just imaginary numbers, they mean very little to me, so catching myself doing a 'typo' would not be a trivial deal
[10:02:45] <Wolf__> well, you did want to make it scale right :P
[10:02:48] <miss0r> I can calculate the simple ones in my head, no problem, its just math.. but you know :D
[10:03:00] <miss0r> wolf__: Not a variable scale, no :P
[10:03:10] <enleth> ah. I guess a couple years of watching ABOM79 and servicing my Bridgeport made me capable of working with both at the same time, even if I despise it
[10:03:42] <Wolf__> most stuff in the usa is all mixed now as well
[10:03:43] <miss0r> sure.. But it still messes with my brain
[10:03:53] <Wolf__> making working on things very fun…
[10:04:14] <miss0r> And so far i've been unable to find a downloadable cad of the drawings. only actual drawings
[10:04:21] <miss0r> :]
[10:04:22] <enleth> Wolf__: I suppose if you want to work metric in the US, you go do milspec stuff, right?
[10:04:36] <enleth> at least, modern milspec
[10:04:51] <Wolf__> I found out the other day that a set screw kit I got from harbor freight is SAE thread, all metric hex…
[10:05:04] <gregcnc> you just push the mm button on the digital mic?
[10:05:06] <rebecca> mmmmmm metric
[10:05:29] <miss0r> rebecca: s/metric/sience
[10:05:33] <Wolf__> cars, trucks, tool just about everything is mix of imperial/metric
[10:05:33] <miss0r> :P
[10:06:39] <Wolf__> no idea on the mil spec stuff
[10:06:39] <miss0r> I think I'll spend some time watching online videos of people making the gun from scratch, to get a running start on what operations to do in what order, without having to do too much planning :)
[10:07:07] <miss0r> I know syyl atleast started making a scaled down version at some point. I have no idea if he finished / if he has metric drawings
[10:07:10] <Wolf__> miss0r: youtube mosinvirus
[10:07:37] <Beachbumpete1> rebecca I am using Fusion360 for most of my 3d solid model stuff
[10:08:29] <rebecca> Beachbumpete1: ahhh, ok
[10:08:29] <Wolf__> also check fosscad on GitHub, also I have found some good solid models on grab cad
[10:09:01] <Beachbumpete1> I use it almost daily at work now so getting pretty good with it.
[10:09:04] <rebecca> Beachbumpete1: i'm one of those OSS zealots ;)
[10:09:11] <Beachbumpete1> what slicer are you using?
[10:09:12] <rebecca> cool
[10:09:19] <gregcnc> that's what it takes is continuous use
[10:09:24] <rebecca> Cura
[10:09:26] <miss0r> Wolf__: That looks interresting
[10:09:32] <Beachbumpete1> is that freeware?
[10:09:45] <rebecca> i think so
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[10:09:51] <Beachbumpete1> LOL
[10:10:06] <miss0r> wolf__: but that mosinvirus guys; it looks like he only buys the 80% and then machine it from there. I'm going to start with a roughcut workpiece
[10:10:07] <rebecca> they have a linux package for free
[10:10:45] <Wolf__> miss0r: yeah, but give you a rough idea of fitting and function
[10:10:58] <Beachbumpete1> that vase looked nice too
[10:11:05] <Beachbumpete1> where ya buying your filament?
[10:11:18] <Beachbumpete1> are you US based?
[10:11:52] <miss0r> wolf__: Sure. I've shot plenty with this gun(also dissassembly and cleaning ect), so I have some idea. But from a machinist point of view, theres some stuff that makes sense doing before other operations when doing it from scratch. That is what I was hoping to get a look at, to 'sorta' cheat start :)
[10:12:45] <Wolf__> miss0r: true, that part I have no idea on
[10:12:46] <miss0r> Wolf__: https://www.youtube.com
[10:13:30] <rebecca> Beachbumpete1: still using the roll of black PLA (1kg) which came with the printer. Bought the printer and some additional spools of filament from fasttech.com
[10:14:27] <rebecca> Beachbumpete1: nope. Australia
[10:15:33] <Beachbumpete1> damn those guys have tons of stuff...
[10:15:39] <Beachbumpete1> are they auz based?
[10:16:06] <Wolf__> fast tech is a china outlet shop
[10:16:22] <Beachbumpete1> aah like bangood etc
[10:16:27] <Wolf__> yup
[10:16:29] <rebecca> yeah
[10:17:41] <Beachbumpete1> they also happen to have the best price I have seen on that TronXY hmmmm
[10:18:31] <Wolf__> for USA, I order all my 3d printer filaments from https://atomicfilament.com
[10:19:06] <Wolf__> and one thing to watch out for, fasttech does sell knockoffs/clones
[10:19:54] <Beachbumpete1> nice...what printer do you use?
[10:21:13] <Wolf__> right now I have a maker farm 10” i3V, planning on doing a DIY version of the same thing in 12”/300mm heat bed tho
[10:23:14] <Beachbumpete1> aah thats a new one to me. Looks cool
[10:23:51] <Wolf__> now its overpriced but simple design to DIY with openbuild extrudes
[10:23:51] <Beachbumpete1> I keep leaning to this TronxY X5SA for some reason but probably regret it LOL
[10:24:31] <Beachbumpete1> I don't really want to DIY on my first one but I would build a nice kit to get a good machine with large volume
[10:24:58] <Wolf__> its so simple, not much reason to not diy
[10:25:10] <Beachbumpete1> Google search has some hot chick doing gymnastics on top of one of those machines tho LOL.
[10:25:11] <Wolf__> more so seeing you have cnc gear
[10:25:46] <Wolf__> can stay away from the cheap cast metal corner brackets
[10:26:06] <Beachbumpete1> also has pics of a 3d printed mag holder for a CZ tournament pistol. Pretty cool...
[10:27:41] <Beachbumpete1> https://www.fasttech.com
[10:27:48] <Beachbumpete1> see anything wrong with one like that?
[10:29:41] <Beachbumpete1> It says 360w power supply but it does not say what voltage that I can see... Most people seem to think a plate that large needs 24vdc pps...
[10:33:32] <enleth> miss0r: well, at least you can be sure that the whole design is doable using 1910s tech on manual machines
[10:33:54] <miss0r> enleth: hehe yeah; theres realy no excuses :)
[10:34:40] <Wolf__> Beachbumpete1: yeah info is lacking on that thing, and I’m not sure how I feel about the printers with the bed that is the Z
[10:35:51] <enleth> I guess the biggest challenge here lies in reverse engineering the original fixturing from the part design
[10:36:16] <gloops> 1910 machines ..hmm finally something i could probably make lol
[10:37:31] <miss0r> make no mistake; the design is quite complex. And very good - no doubt about that. It was in service in the US miletary from 1911 to 1995
[10:37:49] <gloops> what part is it miss0r?
[10:38:00] <miss0r> gloops: Its a colt 1911
[10:38:07] <enleth> actually, for a design this widespread, there *must* be some publicly available photos of fixtured parts being manufactured
[10:38:21] <miss0r> there are a ton :)
[10:39:27] <Beachbumpete1> Wolf__ Supposedly it is more stable than the tall Z single column gantry machines but who knows
[10:39:41] <gregcnc> entire websites and forums dedicates to 1911s
[10:39:56] <miss0r> yeah. The internet is overflowing with this stuff
[10:40:08] <gloops> the whole gun? looks fairly straightforward but i dont know anything about guns
[10:40:42] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: as if that made a difference for a 3D printer
[10:40:58] <Wolf__> Beachbumpete1: I suppose thats possible, still seems like not the best idea imo
[10:41:27] <Beachbumpete1> https://www.fasttech.com they have a 400mm machine now too apparently
[10:41:37] <miss0r> bbl
[10:41:46] <Beachbumpete1> enleth apparently it does... less ghosting or something like that
[10:42:03] <Wolf__> I dont see heat beds on these things
[10:42:32] <Beachbumpete1> what do you mean?
[10:42:38] <Beachbumpete1> they all have heated beds
[10:43:08] <Wolf__> yeah, looking at a review vid right now
[10:44:22] <Wolf__> Beachbumpete1: https://youtu.be
[10:44:58] <Beachbumpete1> hehe man I have watched a TON of videos on these things...
[10:45:10] <Beachbumpete1> most people say that same things about all of them.
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[10:45:18] <Beachbumpete1> they are awesome....BUT
[10:45:35] <Beachbumpete1> I am liking that 400mm one tho...
[10:45:47] <Beachbumpete1> great price on that fastech site
[10:45:51] <Wolf__> I think thats every out of a box 3d printer lol
[10:46:10] <Beachbumpete1> that is kinda what I am saying
[10:46:19] <Beachbumpete1> or at least it seems that way from the reviews
[10:47:03] <Beachbumpete1> I just don't want to get a project right off the bat here but I LIKE that big volume... nothing worse than not being able to make what you want because your damn machine is too small LOL
[10:47:19] <Wolf__> I think it goes with every non diy 3d printer is buy printer, build, calibrate, first month of prints are upgrades for said printer
[10:47:48] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: in any case, if you can afford it, get yourself the cheapest chinese CO2 laser cutter in addition to a 3D printer to save yourself a lot of pain
[10:48:25] <Wolf__> lol get co2 cutter, and cut printer out of acrylic sheet
[10:48:28] <Beachbumpete1> I see some people using their 3d printers to build laser cutter machines
[10:48:44] <Beachbumpete1> or rather retrofitting them with lasers
[10:49:11] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: most likely not CO2
[10:49:21] <Beachbumpete1> no idea
[10:49:28] <Wolf__> diode, which wont cut anything well
[10:49:44] <enleth> CO2 needs a tube compartment and moving mirrors
[10:49:56] <Beachbumpete1> why would having a cheap chinese laser cutter save me a lot of pain?
[10:50:11] <enleth> because they're FAST
[10:50:13] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[10:50:23] <enleth> and surprisingly reliable
[10:50:34] <enleth> and repeatable
[10:50:45] <gregcnc> what are you lasering pete?
[10:50:49] <Beachbumpete1> woah a laser cutter built on a wood frame?
[10:51:01] <Wolf__> its only 2.5w
[10:51:07] <Wolf__> it will cut paper
[10:51:13] <Beachbumpete1> greg nothing man someone just recommended I get one LOL
[10:51:18] <gregcnc> lol
[10:51:28] <gregcnc> they are cool if you need it
[10:51:40] <Wolf__> I want to do a 100w co2 but $$ and space
[10:51:45] <Beachbumpete1> I like the idea of having one but kinda leery of it due to the fire dangers
[10:52:00] <Wolf__> but I do have all the bits except the frame and tube/psu
[10:52:16] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: the cheap ones usually have to have their electrical compartment gutted and rewired properly and it takes some time and effort to get the mirrors right the first time you do it, but afterwards it just works
[10:52:21] <Beachbumpete1> got a full blown VMC in the garage now along with a CNC lathe retrofit project on a 14x50 CNC lathe
[10:52:51] <gregcnc> are you doing any work at home?
[10:52:54] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: fire hazard? what fire hazard? it's so fast you don't need to leave it unsupervised
[10:52:58] <Beachbumpete1> got project guitars going, project air rifles, project gun stocks etc.. don't really need any more projects
[10:53:18] <Beachbumpete1> gregcnc sorta ;)
[10:53:28] <Wolf__> lol
[10:53:36] <Wolf__> I know about too many projects
[10:53:55] <Beachbumpete1> what do you guys honestly think of that TronxY X5SA 400 MM machine?
[10:54:22] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: keep a rag in a bucket of water by the machine, worst case you hit the e-stop, open the door and bitchslap the smoldering material with the rag a couple times, then re-align and carry on
[10:54:23] <Wolf__> doesn’t look bad
[10:54:38] <Beachbumpete1> enleth :)
[10:54:47] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: I've only had to do this once in over two years
[10:54:49] <Beachbumpete1> Wolf__ IKR it looks decent to me man
[10:54:52] <Wolf__> co2 laser, just be sure to clean the wood swarf out of it often
[10:55:13] <Beachbumpete1> got a link to one of those CNC lasers?
[10:55:30] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: google K40 CO2 laser
[10:55:32] <Wolf__> k40 is the entry level thing
[10:55:54] <enleth> there's an open source driver, K40 Whisperer
[10:56:10] <Wolf__> I wanted overkill @ 100W RMS tube
[10:56:36] <Beachbumpete1> is that what your wood frame one is?
[10:56:42] <Wolf__> but I want a machine that can cut 3/4” plywood
[10:56:50] <Beachbumpete1> WOAH
[10:57:02] <Wolf__> no that wood frame + 3d printed thing is 2.5W diode laser
[10:57:55] <Beachbumpete1> ah ok
[10:58:00] <Wolf__> co2 build is shelfed till I have more shop space
[10:58:01] <Beachbumpete1> can you engrave with that?
[10:58:14] <Wolf__> can shallow burn wood with it
[10:58:30] <Wolf__> which I have been using it to mark up wood projects lol
[10:58:50] <enleth> Beachbumpete1: K40 will cut up to 4mm of ply in one pass, same with acrylic, and engraves aluminum just fine
[10:58:52] <Beachbumpete1> is that a target or something on it?
[10:59:04] <Beachbumpete1> nice
[10:59:18] <Wolf__> c5 collet rack insert for my kennedy box
[10:59:34] <Beachbumpete1> ah
[10:59:44] <Beachbumpete1> gonna cut em with a forstner bit?
[11:00:02] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com thats the idea
[11:01:01] <Beachbumpete1> trigger finger is gettin' itchy on that TronXY 400mm :)
[11:01:08] <Wolf__> lol
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[11:01:23] <Wolf__> I’m about to toss a bid out on a surface grinder
[11:01:54] <Beachbumpete1> says 0-100 degrees C on the heatbed...is that enough?
[11:02:27] <Wolf__> plenty
[11:03:41] <Beachbumpete1> cool....birthday money is burnin' a hole
[11:06:02] <Wolf__> anyone here do any surface grinding?
[11:08:41] <Beachbumpete1> I have done a bit in the past
[11:09:00] <Beachbumpete1> we don't have one here at the shop now tho
[11:09:12] <Wolf__> looking at a reid 618, wondering if its a bad idea or not lol
[11:10:07] <Beachbumpete1> older ones tend to get a sag in the middle sometimes
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[11:11:59] <gloops> ages ago i used to use a surface grinder occasionally
[11:12:33] <gloops> lovely machines to use
[11:13:22] <Wolf__> thinking it might be a nice asset to have in the shop
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[11:16:11] <gloops> i dont think youll regret having one
[11:16:18] <enleth> I'm looking for a small benchtop one
[11:16:29] <enleth> but they're almost nonexistent around here
[11:17:00] <Wolf__> I dont think i have seen a bench top surface grinder
[11:17:10] <gloops> i made a small bodged affair to site over my lathe, even that is very useful to have for the bits and bobs i make
[11:17:18] <gloops> sit
[11:17:51] <Wolf__> I have a nice tool post grinder for my lathe already
[11:18:04] <Wolf__> just need to make the tool post stud for it
[11:18:07] <gloops> that made different types of grinder, straight surface grinder, some have tool cutting ability etc
[11:18:25] <gloops> they..lol, typing a bit out today
[11:18:41] <Wolf__> yeah, I’m looking at a deckel tool grinder also
[11:19:38] <enleth> Wolf__: there are benchtop models, actually there's plenty of them on ebay.com
[11:19:45] <enleth> but they're all in the US
[11:19:57] <enleth> and sometimes one or two in the UK
[11:20:20] <enleth> I don't think any were ever manufactured in the Central Europe
[11:21:04] <gloops> can pick them up cheap here, i havent got room or enough use for one though https://www.ebay.co.uk
[11:21:12] <enleth> I can get a 1.5t grinder for scrap price easily, but I don't have space for a machine this big
[11:22:04] <gloops> probably not difficult to make one with a bench top mill, or even drill, do really need the magnetic bed though
[11:22:42] <Wolf__> this Reid is only 1600lbs/725kg
[11:22:51] <enleth> gloops: the Physics Anonymous guys are trying to build one, welded frame and linear rails
[11:23:40] <gloops> enleth doable id guess, needs to be rigid enough for the wheel not to chatter on the surface thats all
[11:23:56] <gloops> which happens surprisingly easily
[11:24:58] <rmu> physics anonymous?
[11:25:19] <enleth> I'm sure Tom Lipton could build a sufrace grinder out of stuff found in his trash can, but I'm not so sure about my skills in this area
[11:25:27] <Wolf__> lol
[11:25:54] <enleth> rmu: https://www.youtube.com
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[11:28:48] <rmu> aaaah i remember i think i watched the lathe restauration project
[11:30:04] <gloops> and old lathe bed is probably a good start, with saddle, youve got the xy travel there on a solid base
[11:30:16] <gloops> move the wheel up and down to it
[11:30:30] <enleth> gloops: ah, that sounds like a reasonable idea
[11:30:37] <gloops> probably gear the z screw right down for fine adjustment
[11:31:55] <gloops> surface grinder (can be) very accurate machines, ive heard the lathe bed idea dismissed on the grounds that lathes arent accurate enough
[11:32:15] <gloops> suppose it depends what you want
[11:32:32] <gregcnc> a used lathe probably won't be
[11:34:20] <gloops> 3 foot lathe bed gets you a what, 12-14 inch cut as a grinder
[11:36:08] <enleth> on that basis, a DYI welded frame won't be accurate enough either
[11:36:26] <gloops> some scraping to do
[11:36:38] <gloops> or surface grinding heh
[11:36:40] <gregcnc> as always depends on the results you expect
[11:38:42] <enleth> gloops: I really only need a grinder for very small stuff
[11:41:56] <gloops> http://www.lathes.co.uk
[11:42:09] <gloops> like hens teeth
[11:43:08] <gloops> but there are a lot more benchtop horizontal mills, easy to adapt
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[12:42:32] <enleth> actually, just do an ebay search for "benchtop surface grinfer"
[12:42:35] <enleth> *d
[12:44:56] <enleth> there's a big selection of cute little benchtop machines perfectly suited to grinding very small parts
[12:45:14] <enleth> almost all of those in the US
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[12:46:33] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[12:46:40] <IchGucksLive> makerman, bist du da
[12:47:25] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel_, uns hats hart getroffen golfballgrosse hagelkörner haben die gewächshäuser zerstört
[12:48:17] <Wolf__> ok stack of bids on stuff, now hopefully I dont win all of them when the time auction shuts down lol
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[12:51:08] <IchGucksLive> hi gloops
[12:51:16] <IchGucksLive> gloops, did the summer end
[12:51:58] <gloops> still warm here but cooler weather forecast
[12:52:23] <gloops> still no rain
[12:52:37] <IchGucksLive> friday is 95 F
[12:52:53] <gloops> fff hope not
[12:53:01] <IchGucksLive> Wolf__, better to order after
[12:53:18] <Wolf__> ?
[12:53:44] <Wolf__> its a business liquidation auction
[12:53:47] <IchGucksLive> after you koow a value of it
[12:54:00] <IchGucksLive> Ah then its best to be at side
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[12:55:25] <Wolf__> the only two things I bid on that may have issue is a deckel tool grinder and a Reid surface grinder
[12:55:33] <gloops> if you havent got a nervous twitch lol
[12:55:36] <IchGucksLive> gloops, is brighton Steel insolvent
[12:55:46] <Wolf__> the surface grinder might mean learning to scrape
[12:55:57] <gloops> not sure about that Ichs
[12:55:59] <IchGucksLive> gloops, 112 mashines to be sold tomorrow
[12:56:43] <gloops> hmm dont know the company, doesnt sound good
[12:57:19] <IchGucksLive> 1000W Laser Cutter at 55000
[12:57:36] <gloops> a lot of these fabrication shops are upgrading to fibre lasers now, got to - or die
[12:58:37] <IchGucksLive> 4 Qubic meter Powdercoader 1200
[12:59:06] <gloops> sounds like theyve gone bust then
[12:59:09] <IchGucksLive> bandsaw 3200mm 290
[12:59:26] <IchGucksLive> https://www.surplex.com
[12:59:31] <Wolf__> nice basement shop machine? https://www.bidspotter.com
[13:00:27] <IchGucksLive> 20 digital calibers 4 with acc and interface 35euros
[13:00:46] * Tom_L blows the lunch whistle
[13:02:14] <gloops> if a shop with that equipment cant get work what chance does anyone have Ichs?
[13:02:29] <Tom_L> maybe they had too much
[13:02:35] <Tom_L> over extended themselves
[13:02:47] <Wolf__> bigger the shop, easier it is to go bust
[13:03:10] <Tom_L> definitely need savvy management
[13:03:33] <gloops> can handle bigger orders though, client wont use a small shop for a big job
[13:04:11] <gloops> never know anyway without seeing the books, owner might have just decided to sell up and move to barbados
[13:04:30] <Tom_L> not such a bad plan
[13:04:38] <Tom_L> for him anyway
[13:04:59] <Tom_L> gloops, i'm learning the limits on my mill
[13:05:11] <Wolf__> the last auction I picked up stuff from still had jobs sitting in the machines =/
[13:05:12] <IchGucksLive> maho mh 600E 2500
[13:05:36] <IchGucksLive> the lathe are all on orders and bits
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[13:06:13] <gloops> Tom_L did you get it cutting steel at all?
[13:06:14] <Tom_L> turn the volume down
[13:06:17] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[13:06:17] <IchGucksLive> hermle uwf 900 3k
[13:06:32] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[13:06:51] <Tom_L> gloops i haven't tried steel since i did the strap clamps
[13:06:58] <Tom_L> but it did those ok
[13:07:02] <Tom_L> i wouldn't make a habit of it
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[13:07:39] <Tom_L> the .250 cutter .250 deep was almost too much for it
[13:08:04] <gloops> pretty good to make a machine that cuts like that though
[13:08:17] <IchGucksLive> guten abend h_maximilian
[13:08:28] <Tom_L> i'm happy, just learning it's limits
[13:09:43] <Tom_L> that's a test article, i need to adjust the program slightly and finish it
[13:09:48] <Tom_L> but i think it'll be a good part
[13:10:05] <Wolf__> looks good
[13:10:20] <Tom_L> mostly just taking lighter cuts
[13:10:52] <Wolf__> beats my x1 lol
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[13:11:38] <Tom_L> if the spindle was beefier it would handle more with no problem
[13:11:54] <Tom_L> i haven't stalled the steppers at all yet
[13:12:07] <Tom_L> done some stupid stuff trying too :D
[13:12:30] <gloops> thats ok then
[13:12:45] <Tom_L> the bench vise was in the way of X once and it just started pushing the mill across the table
[13:13:22] <gloops> probably go a bit faster with bigger spindle as well?
[13:13:28] <Tom_L> i'm sure
[13:13:51] <Tom_L> i'm plenty happy for now though
[13:14:17] <IchGucksLive> im off Gn8
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[13:21:58] <gloops> not moved mine for a couple of weeks for one reason or another, ill be back on it next week
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[13:43:36] <Beachbumpete1> Tom_L you're a wild man ;) looking good in that aluminum
[13:44:44] <Beachbumpete1> you can spin that much faster no?
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[14:09:56] <Tom_L> not the spindle
[14:10:17] <Tom_L> that's the spindle off the old sherline still
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[19:33:42] <Tecan> https://www.youtube.com ide like one of these vumps. 3d printed if i knew how it worked more.
[19:36:06] <Tecan> https://www.thingiverse.com
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[20:00:12] <Tom_L> just a venturi effect
[20:00:19] <Tom_L> simple principle
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[20:10:30] <pcw_mesa> yeah no secrets just the visible nozzle/venturi
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[22:55:09] <Tecan> they are only 40 dollars at canadian tire, might go have a look
[23:12:07] <Tom_L> 40???
[23:12:22] <Tom_L> seems like alot for a simple venturi pump
[23:13:24] <Tom_L> that reminds me... years back i had one to drain the waterbed when they were popular
[23:13:35] <Tom_L> something like 5-6 bux
[23:14:13] <Tom_L> in fact this looks very similar: https://www.ebay.com
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[23:19:04] <CaptHindsight> damned skeeters and yellow jackets are really at it this summer
[23:19:31] <Tom_L> haven't seen many of either around here this year
[23:19:43] <Tom_L> don't yellow jackets burrow in the ground?
[23:19:56] <Tom_L> i see plenty of holes for them in the back yard
[23:20:12] <CaptHindsight> cool front came through earlier tonight, I opened the shop door for an hour and we got attacked
[23:20:20] <Tom_L> they're mean little bastards
[23:20:25] <CaptHindsight> gotone buzzing me now
[23:21:02] <CaptHindsight> picked up a tennis racket type zapped, took 30 seconds before it proved worth $15
[23:21:10] <CaptHindsight> zapped/zapper
[23:21:22] <Tom_L> heh
[23:21:57] <CaptHindsight> and also one with a UV lamp
[23:22:16] <CaptHindsight> they love my monitors
[23:24:48] <CaptHindsight> had two big nests in the upper corners of the rollup doors
[23:24:59] <CaptHindsight> built them in days
[23:26:01] <CaptHindsight> not the hunter becomes the hunted
[23:26:05] <CaptHindsight> not/now
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