#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-07-18

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[02:18:34] <IchGucksLive> morning from Germany
[02:18:47] <IchGucksLive> its getting a summertime weekend
[02:22:03] <MrHindsight> IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com
[02:22:42] <IchGucksLive> MrHindsight, no cnc insiight
[02:23:03] <IchGucksLive> im now missing 20 parts from shina
[02:23:19] <IchGucksLive> maybe a continer got loast
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[02:24:55] <IchGucksLive> im off to teach 2 teatchers how to work on this mashine https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:55] <CaptHindsight> itza big ocean or 2
[02:25:17] <IchGucksLive> till later
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[02:26:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.history.com
[02:26:49] <Wolf__> I seem to have great luck picking machines to buy that have little to no info found on line…
[02:27:09] <CaptHindsight> and they said it wouldn't last....
[02:27:38] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: soviet surplus?
[02:27:58] <Wolf__> Reid 618-HL surface grinder
[02:28:39] <CaptHindsight> is there really much to it?
[02:28:57] <Wolf__> which looks like they are 2-3 different generations of the 618 machine
[02:30:18] <Wolf__> right now all I’m trying to figure out is if its a V ways or roller ball table so I have some idea what I’m going to need if I win the bid on it
[02:30:43] <Wolf__> for picking it up
[02:32:18] <CaptHindsight> Do not be anxious about anything
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[02:33:16] <CaptHindsight> Each day has enough trouble of its own.
[02:33:23] <Wolf__> lol true
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[02:34:45] <CaptHindsight> https://gizmodo.com
[02:35:37] <CaptHindsight> I watched a guy about an hour ago lose $90,000.00 in 30 minutes of poker
[02:35:55] <CaptHindsight> left out one 0
[02:35:57] <Wolf__> crazy...
[02:36:10] <CaptHindsight> $90,000.000.00
[02:37:18] <CaptHindsight> not one 0, 3 orders of magnitude more
[02:37:48] <Wolf__> 90 mil?
[02:38:22] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[02:38:31] <Wolf__> ouch
[02:38:50] <CaptHindsight> it was 2.5M ea to start
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[02:40:59] <CaptHindsight> so you were out if you fell under $2.5M
[02:41:46] <CaptHindsight> so lets get some perspective here :)
[02:42:10] <Wolf__> too rich for my blood lol
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[02:45:56] <Wolf__> and here I am worried about the gamble of bidding on this grinder without inspecting it
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[02:52:44] <Wolf__> https://portal-images.azureedge.net least it doesnt look too beat to hell
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[03:11:03] <Deejay> moin
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[05:39:11] <mase> hi I search Ballscrew 1610 CAD file fusion
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[06:04:21] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[06:04:39] <XXCoder> hey
[06:04:44] <IchGucksLive> mase, fusion is a CAD so why dident you make one
[06:05:15] <IchGucksLive> so today the last cable have been pluged and for the next semester all mashines are ready
[06:05:32] <mase> Hi Ich gugslive
[06:05:39] <mase> u are from zw ?
[06:05:53] <IchGucksLive> ja
[06:06:05] <mase> Auch bekannt als MAXCNC?
[06:06:18] <IchGucksLive> heute haben wir die letzten CNC umgekabelt für das neue semester
[06:06:51] <IchGucksLive> nun sind alle 600 maschinen wiedr im volleinsatz Denke ich
[06:06:52] <mase> maxcnc = ichgugslive?
[06:07:16] <IchGucksLive> hatte ich mal
[06:07:22] <IchGucksLive> oder mein bruder
[06:07:42] <mase> Du hattest dich vorgestellt als Peter Prok ein Prof aus ZW
[06:07:56] <IchGucksLive> mase, warumm nimmst du bei fusion nicht einfach eine simple spindle 16
[06:07:57] <mase> stimmt das ?
[06:08:07] <IchGucksLive> mase, ich weis es nicht
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[06:08:34] <IchGucksLive> mase, https://www.youtube.com
[06:08:45] <IchGucksLive> mase, das bin ich
[06:12:39] <IchGucksLive> mase, ich bin immer hier um 19uhr
[06:12:45] <mase> Ich baue eine richtige cnc und möchte detailgetreu arbeiten
[06:13:06] <IchGucksLive> was heist richtige CNC alles ist Richtig
[06:13:42] <mase> leider muss ich mir die in fusion konstruieren, ich muss die technische zeichnung finden für die SFU1610
[06:14:13] <IchGucksLive> das ist die gleihe wie bei sfu1605
[06:14:25] <IchGucksLive> nur die steigung windenzahl ist anders
[06:14:40] <mase> pro umdrehung 5 oder 10 mm
[06:14:46] <IchGucksLive> ja
[06:14:53] <IchGucksLive> ansoinsten sind die gleich
[06:14:59] <mase> sicher ?
[06:15:05] <IchGucksLive> numm die 5er wenn du keine drucker baust
[06:15:11] <IchGucksLive> JA
[06:15:45] <IchGucksLive> DOLD hat die zeichnung
[06:16:02] <mase> DolD ?
[06:16:11] <mase> ein user ?
[06:16:12] <IchGucksLive> https://www.dold-mechatronik.de
[06:16:38] <IchGucksLive> https://www.dold-mechatronik.de
[06:17:35] <miss0r> syyl: You around?
[06:17:51] <IchGucksLive> Pass auf die DM sind nicht genormt da gibt es BF12 und BF10
[06:18:01] <mase> nice danke das ist ein guter link
[06:18:17] <mase> Ich nehme BF12
[06:18:37] <IchGucksLive> mase, https://www.youtube.com
[06:18:48] <IchGucksLive> heute morgen verdrahtet
[06:20:04] <mase> was für motoren nutzt du
[06:20:04] <IchGucksLive> 4Nm
[06:20:04] <mase> Schrittmotoren ?
[06:20:04] <IchGucksLive> JA
[06:20:04] <mase> closed loop?
[06:20:04] <IchGucksLive> DM556
[06:20:04] <IchGucksLive> Nein open
[06:20:04] <mase> :O
[06:20:07] <IchGucksLive> ich hasse die closed
[06:20:23] <IchGucksLive> da fährt die maschine ws sie will
[06:20:32] <IchGucksLive> wenns nicht passt
[06:20:41] <mase> und wenn du ein schritt verlierst
[06:20:46] <IchGucksLive> beim schrittmotor hört man eine fehler
[06:20:46] <mase> was machst du dann
[06:21:18] <IchGucksLive> Ich stelle die maschine so ein das da kein schritt verloren geht
[06:22:13] <IchGucksLive> der plasma läuft 8std bei 800kg YZ mit 6m/min MAX und 2Nm motroen und hat keine 0,02 an der uhr
[06:22:42] <IchGucksLive> mase, der fehler ist nach 8std die uhr nicht die CNC
[06:22:59] <syyl> miss0r on the jump
[06:23:03] <syyl> quick :D
[06:23:27] <miss0r> syyl: Did you ever finish your 1911 model? and did you put the time in to convert the imperial measurements to metric?
[06:23:39] <syyl> no, not finished
[06:23:40] <IchGucksLive> mase, nur wer 12m/min braucht braucht auch closed
[06:23:42] <miss0r> I am planning to do a model of my own
[06:23:51] <syyl> and i just converted on the fly
[06:24:00] <miss0r> ahh well :]
[06:24:07] <miss0r> Planning on finishing it?
[06:24:26] <syyl> nope
[06:24:30] <IchGucksLive> mase, ansonsten bist du mit 2000euro komplett bei 700x500x180mm
[06:24:30] <syyl> enough guns out there
[06:24:32] <miss0r> Great :]
[06:24:35] <mase> https://grabcad.com
[06:24:40] <mase> Lothar
[06:24:47] <IchGucksLive> das bin ich
[06:24:52] <syyl> and it attracted all the gun-nuts to my channel
[06:25:03] <miss0r> sure, but a small model wouldn't be able to fire anyway, I'm planning on making the barrel 'massive'. i.e. no bore
[06:25:10] <syyl> the type you dont want to be in the same room with
[06:25:18] <miss0r> hehe, yeah - you can't have them gun nuts running around ;)
[06:25:25] <IchGucksLive> mase, das ist genau diese maschine aus dem video
[06:25:36] <mase> Jo hab ich erkannt
[06:25:51] <miss0r> Just one last question though: did you ever find a good solution for hardening the springs?
[06:26:00] <IchGucksLive> sind nun schon 4stk am laufen
[06:26:01] <miss0r> without deforming them?
[06:26:06] <syyl> nope
[06:26:07] <syyl> :D
[06:26:11] <mase> Was machst du damit
[06:26:15] <syyl> look up paul hammler on youtube
[06:26:20] <miss0r> This has been helpfull, thank you :P
[06:26:21] <miss0r> :D
[06:26:27] <IchGucksLive> mase, Ausbildung
[06:26:44] <IchGucksLive> mase, 8000studenten
[06:27:05] <mase> Warst du hiwi vom Prokro
[06:27:24] <IchGucksLive> nein ich hol alles bei ratenmotors
[06:27:56] <IchGucksLive> der koomoletsatz 440 mit kugleumlauf und befestigung
[06:28:23] <IchGucksLive> mase, die profile für 150 euro im zuschnitt
[06:28:34] <IchGucksLive> 1,5KW
[06:28:37] <mase> welche Toleranzklasse
[06:29:01] <IchGucksLive> mase, die bewegst du mit einer hand nicht also eng
[06:29:14] <mase> :D
[06:29:21] <IchGucksLive> ohne 50kg belastung geht da garnix
[06:29:26] <mase> Welche spindel baust du ein
[06:29:33] <IchGucksLive> 1605
[06:29:42] <IchGucksLive> VFD 1,5
[06:29:44] <mase> ne frässpindel
[06:29:53] <mase> China ?
[06:30:05] <mase> oder is VFD eine Marke
[06:30:32] <IchGucksLive> hyanyang original
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[06:30:54] <mase> Ich habe die 2,2 kw spindel gekauft
[06:31:02] <IchGucksLive> mase, der bessere kostet 104 statt 88
[06:31:19] <mase> mit frequenzumrichter
[06:31:25] <mase> und dem ganzen zubehör
[06:31:27] <IchGucksLive> mase, mit der 2,2kw reicht es mit den 220V 16A nicht mehr
[06:31:42] <IchGucksLive> deswegen 1,5Kw
[06:31:48] <mase> is getestet und geht bei uns
[06:32:11] <IchGucksLive> mit der komplettten maschine an einer dose mase
[06:32:31] <mase> der runout ist unter 1um
[06:33:17] <mase> Hängt nicht alles an einer sicherung
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[06:33:41] <mase> Wir haben noch drehstrom zur verfügung
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[06:34:00] <IchGucksLive> ok in der schule ist nur 220V im klassensaal
[06:34:02] <mase> so muss bissi weiter schaffen viel gklück
[06:34:07] <mase> und erfolg
[06:34:14] <IchGucksLive> bis dann
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[06:34:35] <mase> und danke für den DOLD link der gefällt mir
[06:35:34] <mase> Und nochwas
[06:35:57] <mase> ich finde es garnicht so schlecht wie du das mit den wangen gelöst hast
[06:39:58] <jthornton> 1
[06:40:14] <jthornton> 13 minutes till space x falcon launch
[06:54:22] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: you're watching a delayed fake live stream
[06:54:53] <SpeedEvil> next launch is 22nd or so
[06:54:54] <jthornton> lol
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[12:13:26] <mase> hi I search 200x80 alu-profil
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[12:16:26] <gloops> mase - 6082T6
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[12:29:15] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[12:29:23] <IchGucksLive> super summer outside
[12:29:44] <IchGucksLive> mase, eisenschäfer hat das material
[12:30:39] <mase> Ich brauch das profil für die einarbeitung in meine zeichnung
[12:31:24] <mase> Ich find das profil nicht
[12:31:32] <IchGucksLive> mitec
[12:32:38] <mase> welches
[12:32:40] <IchGucksLive> https://www.minitec.de
[12:32:41] <mase> gibt mehrere
[12:32:51] <IchGucksLive> die haben ca 5000
[12:33:34] <IchGucksLive> was ich nicht verstehe die profile sind 5min arbeit in fusion ist doch alles symetrich
[12:33:51] <IchGucksLive> und dann in die Materialdatenbank mit länge 60mm
[12:34:18] <IchGucksLive> und als Familientabelle laden dann hast du die Profile immer in der länge die du benötigst
[12:35:09] <mase> ich find es nicht
[12:35:18] <IchGucksLive> mase, das 80er system ist dann wohlk bosch
[12:35:29] <IchGucksLive> 80x200
[12:35:38] <IchGucksLive> T10
[12:36:07] <IchGucksLive> https://www.tecwalker.de
[12:36:37] <mase> tecwalker hat das profil aber nicht die cad datei
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[12:36:47] <mase> bzw die wollen glaub ich die email haben
[12:37:20] <IchGucksLive> die haben doch eine zeichnuung dabei
[12:39:13] <mase> da stimmt
[12:39:56] <IchGucksLive> http://www.traceparts.com
[12:41:54] <mase> Ich mussd as abzeichnen
[12:42:37] <IchGucksLive> nein neukonstruieren du hast doch die masse
[12:43:55] <IchGucksLive> mase, wiso so mächtig 8Tonnen last bei Wx 800
[12:45:04] <mase> lass dich überraschen
[12:45:15] <mase> ich bau die frsäe mach ein video drüber
[12:47:09] <IchGucksLive> ist das das leichte nut8 oder das schwere
[12:47:32] <mase> schwer
[12:47:55] <IchGucksLive> 5 nuten
[12:48:07] <IchGucksLive> wx
[12:48:13] <IchGucksLive> 2 nuten wy
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[12:50:13] <IchGucksLive> mase, als welche datei brauchst du es
[12:50:53] <mase> dxf
[12:50:57] <mase> aber ich zeichne schon
[12:51:04] <mase> is schon gut is überung
[12:51:15] <mase> du machst viele sachen mit freecad ?
[12:52:42] <IchGucksLive> ich kann dir das direkt als fusion datei anbieten
[12:53:24] <mase> wie hast du das gemacht
[12:53:33] <mase> das ist nett von dir aber ich muss das können
[12:53:39] <mase> ich habe im mcmaster nachgeschaut
[12:53:47] <mase> nix drin :X
[13:00:19] <IchGucksLive> mase, http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de
[13:01:16] <mase> nice
[13:01:23] <mase> Ich bin noch am fummeln :D
[13:01:45] <mase> haste vektorisiert ?
[13:01:54] <mase> bitmap bild vektorisieren
[13:02:00] <IchGucksLive> nein kostruiert mit aufdicker 3,5
[13:02:16] <mase> gut
[13:02:54] <IchGucksLive> soll ich die DXF oder DWG hochladen
[13:03:13] <mase> wie gesagt das is nett ich muss mich selber durchwursteln
[13:03:33] <mase> die tatsache das ich so langsam bin heißt doch das ich drana rbeiten muss
[13:03:52] <mase> Ich mach das profil fertig dann melde ich mich wieder
[13:03:57] <IchGucksLive> ok gibts auch fertig
[13:04:21] <IchGucksLive> ich sehs grtad tracpart hat es auch
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[13:04:37] <IchGucksLive> gloops, brixit on the way
[13:05:05] <IchGucksLive> summer laso keep your hose shadowd UK dri land glöoo
[13:05:35] <IchGucksLive> gloops, waterhose limited
[13:05:48] <IchGucksLive> lake here has lost 20cm
[13:09:46] <IchGucksLive> mase, https://www.youtube.com
[13:15:12] <gloops> yes everything is dead here
[13:15:40] <gloops> Ichs the EU will not accept this Brexit plan, dark times ahead methinks
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[13:17:39] <mase> Uk belongs to Europe even if they are not in EU
[13:17:44] <mase> to no problem buddy
[13:20:06] <IchGucksLive> im off folks as a old men needs more rest
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[13:20:16] <mase> Machs gut
[13:20:31] <mase> und danke für die hilfe
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[13:28:49] <gloops> mase we have had enough of the EU jackboot
[13:28:55] <gloops> UK was never european
[13:30:18] <Michael-gsc> Hallo
[13:30:28] <gloops> evening
[13:30:30] <mase> UK got a lot of benefits compared to other EU contries, so it es worse for UK to leave than for EU
[13:30:51] <mase> but whatever
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[13:31:38] <gloops> mase we didnt get currency undervalued by 25% like Germany does
[13:36:16] <mase> UK is victim ?
[13:37:07] <gloops> no the UK isnt a victim, we will be out of the sinking ship just in time i think
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[13:37:29] <mase> we will see
[13:38:09] <gloops> i reckon the next global downturn is due around end of 2019/2020
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[13:39:25] <rmu> downturn already started
[13:39:50] <rmu> takes some time until effects are felt
[13:40:12] <gloops> rmu youve got to face, the EU cannot rise this one out
[13:40:15] <gloops> face it
[13:40:27] <gloops> ok ill start again lol
[13:40:47] <gloops> rmu, youve got to face it, the EU cannot ride this one out
[13:41:02] <rmu> i will face whatever the future holds in store
[13:41:18] <mase> nice response
[13:41:23] <gloops> germany has a weak coalition govmt, there will be no stomach for enormous bailouts
[13:41:36] <mase> gloops
[13:41:40] <mase> germany is fine
[13:41:41] <gloops> italy WILL fold this time, too big to bail
[13:41:52] <gloops> mase, im afraid it isnt
[13:42:10] <mase> strongest contry eu
[13:42:17] <rmu> UK also seems to only barely have a "government"
[13:42:19] <mase> #1
[13:43:07] <gloops> mase but at the end of the road, your motor industry is approaching obsolescence, heavily laden with debts that wont ever be repaid
[13:43:41] <mase> no problem
[13:43:50] <mase> germans can fix problems
[13:44:04] <gloops> rmu lol, this is only a temporary situation for the UK, we will soon have a strong and able leader, every man jack will be united behind him
[13:44:45] <gloops> mase i admire your confidence, but this time i think it might be misplaced
[13:44:47] <rmu> yeah, "strong leaderS seem to be the recipe of the coming decade
[13:44:51] <mase> yes american wanted also a strong leader
[13:45:00] <gloops> america has a strong leader
[13:45:01] <rmu> we know where that leads to
[13:45:27] <mase> strong leader ? he is putins pussy cat
[13:45:28] <rmu> strong as in heavy. and stupid. with one word: a bully
[13:45:32] <gloops> it was one election too far for merkel
[13:45:41] <mase> trump isnt smart sorry
[13:46:01] <gloops> dont be fooled by the show trump put on for the media
[13:46:14] <mase> I dont
[13:46:28] <rmu> if we replicate polish and hungarian style of gov in germany and france (afd, "rassamblemant"), THEN we will have a problem
[13:46:30] <mase> I have my own oppion and trump did bad vs putin
[13:46:31] <rmu> globally
[13:46:51] <gloops> rmu germany will have the problem, not everyone else
[13:47:02] <mase> We need a united western my friend
[13:47:19] <rmu> trump giving up influence in europe and exp. germany is beyond stupid
[13:47:22] <gloops> oh i dont know
[13:47:27] <mase> vs china, russia and africa
[13:47:28] <gloops> united is a strong word
[13:48:13] <gloops> mase germany has invested in heavily in china, you get your energy from russia, you get your labour from africa
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[13:48:33] <mase> wrong
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[13:48:45] <mase> china is investing heavly in germany
[13:48:47] <gloops> where is it wrong?
[13:49:19] <mase> and why not getting energy from russia ?
[13:49:20] <gloops> yes we know about the scam to make in china and enter the goods into the EU through back door
[13:49:36] <mase> ok
[13:49:47] <gloops> mase how can you be totally dependent on someones gas, and at the same time claim to be fighting them?
[13:50:16] <gloops> german energy policy is a disaster
[13:50:35] <mase> is that what people say in UK ?
[13:50:42] <rmu> gloops: thats the trump nato summit BS
[13:50:44] <gloops> its what everyone says
[13:50:46] <mase> they should look their own shit
[13:51:06] <gloops> we are Ok we will be 80% renewables by 2030
[13:51:23] <rmu> since when is germany "totally dependent" on russian gas?
[13:51:36] <gloops> rmu where do you get your gas?
[13:52:10] <gloops> putins hand is on the gas tap - one wrong word from merkel - the lights go out
[13:52:21] <mase> soon UK buddy will see how good it was in EU
[13:52:30] <mase> If I read this
[13:52:44] <gloops> nope
[13:53:22] <rmu> gloops: i don't get any gas ;-) but yes, austria probably gets most of its imported gas from russia via ukraine and slovakia
[13:54:36] <gloops> rmu the failure of the german wind program has forced you to burn much more coal and import gas
[13:55:08] <mase> UK is a fart in the wind
[13:55:11] <mase> alone
[13:55:15] <mase> how many people
[13:55:21] <mase> let me see
[13:55:50] <rmu> german natural gas seems to be 1/3 from russia, 25% nl, 25% norway, and rest domestic, denmark and UK
[13:56:01] <gloops> alone? since when was the UK alone? we have a commonwealth, we have allies around the globe, all begging to trade with us
[13:56:19] <mase> 64 million habitans ?
[13:56:26] <gloops> this is a great opportunity for the UK to restore its former eminence as a global superpower
[13:56:26] <mase> thats nothing
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[13:56:44] <mase> A global superpoer ?
[13:56:50] <gloops> absolutely
[13:56:57] <mase> why u need that
[13:57:07] <gloops> why does germany?
[13:57:13] <mase> u said u want it
[13:57:28] <mase> UK a global superpower ?
[13:57:46] <gloops> <mase> #1
[13:57:52] <rmu> gloops: you mean, like, with aircraft carriers, ADDITIONAL military intervention in overseas-countries every 3 years, new nukes kind of superpower?
[13:58:15] <Tom_L> #2
[13:58:22] <mase> 64 million habitans is no superpower
[13:58:38] <gloops> rmu our new carriers guarantee our security and that of our friends
[13:58:54] <Tom_L> they all come crying to us for help
[13:59:18] <mase> china has 1.400 million habitants
[13:59:21] <gloops> haha Tom_L we dont need the USA we can look after ourselves
[13:59:27] <gloops> look at the Falklands
[13:59:34] <mase> britian is nothing without EU
[13:59:50] <gloops> i mean, we like the USA we've always (almost always) been pals and worked together
[14:00:03] <gloops> mase you are nothing without the UK
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[14:00:09] * JT-Shop thinks it's time for a chicken bullet sandwich...
[14:00:26] <rmu> this discussion is stupid
[14:00:31] <mase> it is
[14:00:41] <mase> gut das die inselaffen weg sind
[14:00:45] <mase> xD
[14:00:48] <gloops> well you started it
[14:01:00] <mase> gloops u started it
[14:01:03] <mase> i think
[14:01:09] <gloops> ichs started it
[14:01:19] <rmu> next thing somebody resurrects ronald reagen
[14:01:23] <mase> U want war with the germans
[14:02:17] <mase> I thought we were friends pal
[14:02:21] <gloops> germany is incapable of war
[14:02:43] <rmu> thankfully so
[14:02:49] <mase> thats because also of history
[14:03:10] <rmu> and it has to stay like that
[14:03:12] <mase> and I think we should change it
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[14:04:18] <gloops> oh yes mase? a call for rearmament is it?
[14:05:05] <mase> yes
[14:05:27] <mase> and why not
[14:05:31] <mase> we can afford it
[14:05:34] <rmu> that's what trump wants. germany to spend 2% of GDP for military
[14:05:59] <mase> our milatry does indeed need more bugs
[14:06:17] <gloops> as part of your NATO obligations
[14:06:21] <mase> yed
[14:06:22] <mase> yes
[14:06:27] <mase> I agree on that
[14:06:32] <mase> we should pay more
[14:06:34] <gloops> the german military is totally disfunctional
[14:06:44] <mase> look what we do
[14:07:08] <gloops> what do you do?
[14:07:09] <rmu> nato will have the same fate as eu
[14:07:15] <mase> After US, germany does the most service
[14:07:26] <gloops> lol!
[14:07:28] <mase> not britain
[14:07:43] <gloops> mase you havent got 2 dozen jet fighters that can fly
[14:08:06] <gloops> this is an army in name only
[14:08:09] <mase> there u can see how efficient we are
[14:08:25] <gloops> and lets take the personal
[14:08:40] <gloops> these are not the german soldiers we remember of old
[14:08:51] <gloops> personnel
[14:09:12] <mase> my buddies in war have indeed not good equipment
[14:10:14] <mase> I have friend that went to afganistan
[14:10:22] <mase> and it is not a good place
[14:10:31] <mase> war is nothing nice
[14:11:19] <gloops> i dont think there will be another great war in europe
[14:11:29] <mase> u cannt say that
[14:11:39] <gloops> germany kind of guarantees that by staying weak
[14:11:41] <mase> You even cannot say what will happen next year
[14:12:11] <mase> what i say is western should stay together
[14:12:18] <mase> that is important
[14:12:35] <gloops> this is your leader https://www.youtube.com
[14:12:45] <gloops> to think that it should come to this
[14:12:48] <rmu> if there is another great war anywhere in the world, it will probably be the last for a very long time
[14:13:07] <gloops> Junckers..an old soak!
[14:13:41] <rmu> alternative facts
[14:13:57] <Tom_L> with all the tech now it could be a nasty one too
[14:14:02] <gloops> and herein lies the problem
[14:14:19] <gloops> nobody can remove Junckers, nobody ever voted him in
[14:14:51] <rmu> nobody can remove your queen, she hasn't been voted in either
[14:15:04] <mase> dude
[14:15:08] <mase> u cannt say that
[14:15:21] <mase> u both are wrong
[14:15:31] <gloops> rmu she is head of state, she doesnt make decisions
[14:15:49] <gloops> here is the Uks new jet fighter, high tech indeed https://www.bbc.co.uk
[14:15:51] <mase> and she is german releated
[14:16:00] <mase> also her husband
[14:16:09] <mase> u can say ur queen is german
[14:16:22] <mase> no alternative facts
[14:16:26] <gloops> course she isnt german, shes as english as i am
[14:16:27] <rmu> everything EU law has to be ratified by local parliaments, so in a sense the european commission doesn't make decisions either
[14:16:52] <mase> her family is german
[14:17:06] <rmu> mase: i think the hannover connection was removed from the name at the beginning of WW1
[14:17:20] <mase> gloops google it
[14:17:25] <mase> it is true
[14:17:51] <gloops> some distant connections yes, the royalty in europe/russia has always inter-married for diplomacy reasons
[14:17:59] <mase> look that
[14:19:16] <mase> https://www.youtube.com
[14:20:11] <mase> England even copied our former anthem
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[14:21:06] <mase> that is evidence to the releationship
[14:21:10] <rmu> queen victoria was of house harkonnen aeehhh hannover, and her son of house sachsen-coburg gotha
[14:21:25] <rmu> that connection is not distant ;)
[14:21:57] <mase> gloops
[14:21:59] <gloops> it doesnt matter
[14:22:07] <mase> we are brothers
[14:23:04] <mase> UK is alone to little to be improtant
[14:23:27] <rmu> no, it doesn't matter. royalty is a thing of the past. some countries still keep some for tourism and as kind of a museum/zoo.
[14:23:38] <mase> xD
[14:23:42] <gloops> mase you seem to forget we once controlled 2/3rds of the world
[14:24:12] <mase> yes agree
[14:24:18] <mase> good for you
[14:24:21] <gloops> the Uk kept its royalty because a national figurehead is good for national unity
[14:24:24] <rmu> gloops: look what chaos the brits left in africa and in former ottoman empire
[14:24:28] <mase> I have nothing against UK
[14:24:31] <mase> what do u want
[14:24:38] <rmu> (the brits and the french that is)
[14:24:57] <gloops> rmu well, you can thank your forebears for that
[14:25:14] <gloops> everything was fine until the german housepainter arrived on the scene
[14:25:27] <mase> xD
[14:25:37] <rmu> we left chaos on the balkans, that still isn't completely fixed yet, but there is progress
[14:26:20] <gloops> but that is all history, im sure all this will be worked out amicably
[14:26:44] <rmu> looking at the kurds, there is no progress anywhere, ditto for israel, african countries, india/pakistan
[14:27:08] <mase> To hell with all non europeen
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[14:27:30] <gloops> This will include “swarming” technology that uses artificial intelligence and machine learning to hit its targets, as well as directed energy weapons (DEW), which used concentrated bursts of laser, microwave or particle beam energy to inflict damage.
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[14:27:48] <rmu> hail eris! (throws in golden apple and leaves)
[14:29:00] <mase> the frist thing the AI will learn is how comfortable a german car is
[14:29:20] <gloops> that should be interesting - jets with lasers and microwave weapons
[14:29:30] <mase> dude
[14:29:41] <mase> u see the apocalypse coming ?
[14:30:14] <gloops> maybe we have learned
[14:30:21] <gloops> enough
[14:32:57] <mase> ok
[14:33:11] <mase> I only want to build my CNC
[14:34:08] <Tom_L> i only want to eat ice cream under a shade tree
[14:35:19] <mase> I like milk and cereals
[14:37:40] <mase> gloops, u have a cnc
[14:37:59] <gloops> oh yeah, i made one this year
[14:38:23] <gloops> the design was inspired by german tanks of WW2 haha
[14:38:27] <mase> show me pics
[14:38:34] <gloops> but im cooking something atm bbiab
[14:40:36] <jthornton> hazzy-lab: if you happen to get bored see if you can spot my mistake http://gnipsel.com
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[14:46:24] <rmu> jthornton: i'm not hazzy-lab, but QFileDialog.getExistingDirectory creates a modal dialog, and for that it needs a parent widget
[14:47:15] <rmu> jthornton: it seems you are passing "None" in to it
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[14:51:46] <hazzy-lab> rmu: It is OK to pass none to a QFileDialog, only thing is it won't center over the parent
[14:56:10] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: Change line 23 in dialog.py to: dirName = QFileDialog.getExistingDirectory(None, "Select Directory", linuxcncPath)
[14:56:22] <hazzy-lab> That will work
[14:57:16] <hazzy-lab> self it not defined for module level methods, so self was actualt the "checked" arg passed by the QAction triggered signal
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[14:58:21] <hazzy-lab> I will fix a few other things and send it back over :)
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[15:10:43] <rmu> so got distracted
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[15:12:22] <rmu> just played a bit with qt5vcp branch. looks very promising
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[15:15:02] <hazzy-lab> It's awesome!
[15:15:13] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: https://www.dropbox.com
[15:15:35] <hazzy-lab> rmu: https://gitlab.com
[15:15:59] <hazzy-lab> playing with qt5 too
[15:16:43] <rmu> generic O-word caller?
[15:16:52] <hazzy-lab> rmu: This is made with qt5vcp: https://i.imgur.com
[15:17:08] <hazzy-lab> yes, that turned into a probing GUI xD
[15:17:37] <rmu> hazzy-lab: i played around with the qt_cnc.ui in the branch, converted it to use layouts
[15:17:55] <hazzy-lab> Thank you! That was badly needed
[15:18:05] <hazzy-lab> will you PR?
[15:18:15] <hazzy-lab> Chris would love it if you did
[15:18:33] <rmu> ok, will make a PR
[15:18:49] <hazzy-lab> thanks
[15:18:51] <rmu> qt designer grid layout handling is a bit awkward
[15:19:00] <rmu> had to hack the xml a bit
[15:19:18] <hazzy-lab> It is, it you close and restart designer some time sit helps
[15:19:37] <hazzy-lab> if seems to "forget" to save changes to the ui file
[15:19:45] <rmu> don't understand whay Qt didn't go the motif form way of layout management (see tixForm for the tcl/tk crowd)
[15:20:32] <hazzy-lab> Here is my branch of QtVCP, I have made a lot of changes, like async backplot and things like that
[15:20:52] <rmu> in fact i made a tixForm inspired layout manager for Qt 1 or 2 ro something about 20 years ago
[15:20:56] <hazzy-lab> some people have reported that backplot 15 times faster than before!
[15:21:15] <hazzy-lab> neat!
[15:21:22] <rmu> have yet to try it on the raspberry pi
[15:21:46] <rmu> it feels quite snappy on the i7 ;)
[15:22:18] <hazzy-lab> I bet, I need to try Qt on my old atom I have on the mill, Gtk is miserable on it
[15:22:25] <rmu> hazzy-lab: is that a port of the async gtk3 gremlin to qt?
[15:23:22] <hazzy-lab> yes
[15:23:44] <rmu> raspberry pi sure will benefit from async backplot, all those non-rt cpu cores don't do much most of the time
[15:24:21] <hazzy-lab> Problem is it is still python, so it only uses one core :(
[15:24:50] <rmu> is there a plan to port over to python3?
[15:25:08] <hazzy-lab> Yes, we made a bunch of progress on that a few nights ago
[15:26:29] <rmu> your branch is here https://gitlab.com ?
[15:26:56] <hazzy-lab> Yes
[15:27:40] <hazzy-lab> It is a huge mess
[15:27:48] <CaptHindsight> what bus is used to connect the Rpi3 to something FPGA?
[15:28:05] <rmu> CaptHindsight: SPI
[15:28:54] <CaptHindsight> ah SPI, is the SPI driver in the kernel or is something special used?
[15:28:56] <rmu> CaptHindsight: there are rumors some kind of mesa 7i90 with RPI interface is in the works
[15:29:29] <CaptHindsight> using SPI or?
[15:30:01] <rmu> yes, using SPI, but it comes with the proper connector that you can just wire 1:1 with ribbon cable
[15:30:25] <rmu> probably pcw_home should comment on that, i don't know anything
[15:30:33] <miss0r> Do any of you know what kind of quality to expect from the 'Sealey' breand? I'm talking about spanner keys here
[15:31:08] <CaptHindsight> spanner vs reamers? :)
[15:31:31] <gloops> sealey..hmm, ok i suppose
[15:31:57] <gloops> not the worst chinese quality, you know like useable but not great
[15:32:00] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: YouSayWhatNow?
[15:32:12] <miss0r> gloops: alright. They are pricey enough
[15:32:20] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: what my cheap hex keys become
[15:32:26] <gloops> if its the same sealey im thinking of
[15:32:32] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: hehe alright :)
[15:32:43] <rmu> i hate that https://gitlab.com
[15:33:05] <miss0r> Well, This is a 21piece set, ranging from 6mm to 32mm, in one of those woven fabric case, that you roll up, with all they keys in it.
[15:33:24] <miss0r> and its priced at ~360eur
[15:33:59] <miss0r> gloops: Does that sounds like the Sealey brand you know?
[15:34:49] <Tom_L> rmu, 7i90?
[15:34:54] <Tom_L> that's parallel port
[15:35:05] <gloops> these are chrome vanadium spanners miss0r? yeah its a fairly popular brand here, ive had various stuff of theirs, its like i say its not total crap, but i never really thought it was good
[15:35:12] <Tom_L> err i guess it also has spi
[15:35:29] <miss0r> gloops: What would you consider to be 'good' nowadays?
[15:35:53] <Tom_L> anything not made in china?
[15:35:55] <gloops> its probably on par with stanley
[15:36:04] <miss0r> Tom_L: thats not realy fair, now is it?
[15:36:15] <Tom_L> of course it is
[15:36:36] <Tom_L> i know the HF stuff is pure crap
[15:36:37] <hazzy-lab> rmu: So do I, is there some neater way to do the encoding?
[15:36:53] <miss0r> gloops: I used to be a hazet fan, but they have realy fallen in quality over the years
[15:37:11] <miss0r> Tom_L: Sure, but as with most things; you get what you pay for
[15:37:30] <Wolf__> try to find old tools at flea market or estate sales imo
[15:37:39] <Wolf__> get old well made stuff
[15:37:41] <gloops> agreed Wolf__
[15:37:41] <Tom_L> about all i ever get there is a car fix it tool that i know will be a one time use
[15:37:42] <miss0r> Tom_L: So if you compare a $300 german made component with a $3 china made component, the german one is gonna shine
[15:38:37] <Tom_L> snapon are great but they'll break the bank
[15:38:46] <rmu> hazzy-lab: python3 ;-)
[15:38:48] <Tom_L> i've got a box full of em from years back
[15:38:56] <miss0r> also; I used to love belzer, then apex bought them, and turned it into chinesium
[15:39:02] <Wolf__> yup, I have some snap on stuff as well
[15:39:03] <CaptHindsight> for hex keys Klein, Eklind and so far whatever brand McMaster sells holds up well
[15:39:25] <gloops> hard to say, a professional mechanic would sneer at any cheaper tools, but for the odd job on the car or around the workshop - you dont want to pay $100 a socket
[15:39:27] <Wolf__> gearwrench is pretty good, they have no questions asked warranty
[15:39:43] <rmu> hazzy-lab: everything in freecad i touch immediately explodes with this kind of encoding problems
[15:39:45] <miss0r> Oh, by the way: I'm looking for a set of allen "T keys" _WITHOUT_ any plastics on them. I have not been able to find anything
[15:39:47] <CaptHindsight> the HF stuff is good for maybe only larger size hex fasteners
[15:39:49] <Tom_L> mine are Bondhus
[15:39:52] <Tom_L> sp?
[15:40:04] <CaptHindsight> the HF keys round off quickly
[15:40:05] <gloops> i look for old british or german spanners on the car boot sales
[15:40:14] <hazzy-lab> rmu: Oh, i forgot that Py3 use utf-8!! That is a huge advantage
[15:40:31] <miss0r> gloops: Well, as I now do machine repairs for a living, I don't mind paying a bit more for not being 'the guy with the tools that break'
[15:40:43] <hazzy-lab> rmu: are you familiar with boost python?
[15:40:47] <CaptHindsight> i still use them for sacrificial applications and often grind them down to where they are still a hex vs round
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[15:41:38] <Wolf__> I have a problem finding torx bits that dont explode
[15:41:42] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: Yeah, I hate it when that happens :D
[15:41:59] <miss0r> Wolf__: On that point I can recommend wiha or bacho
[15:42:19] <CaptHindsight> I see I have a Huskey and a Craftsman set that look fine
[15:42:25] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight have you ever tried heat treating the tip?
[15:42:34] <Tom_L> would probably just melt...
[15:42:42] <rmu> hazzy-lab: https://unfoo.net
[15:42:52] <gloops> ive always like bahco, but the look of their tools now has that familiar chinese aura lol
[15:43:10] <gloops> not bought any new for a long time
[15:43:20] <hazzy-lab> rmu: very nice!
[15:43:32] <Wolf__> mostly due to abuse with my impact gun and the damn seased ford pickup bed bolts
[15:43:40] <CaptHindsight> the worst part is when >50% of the key rounds off and it takes some of the fastener with it, just enough to make you have to drill it out
[15:43:59] <miss0r> gloops: The bacho socket wrench sets that are sold in Denmark do very good, in my opinion
[15:44:04] <gregcnc> pound in a torx key
[15:44:14] <XXCoder> or use rubberband as "filler"
[15:44:41] <miss0r> Or just grap your pocket EDM and make a slightly larger hex hole :)
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[15:44:53] <Wolf__> lol
[15:44:58] <CaptHindsight> rubber bands might round off the HF sets
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[15:45:18] <miss0r> hehe, you don't have alot of faith in'em, ha? :)
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[15:45:46] <gregcnc> they are fine if use with equally soft chinese hardware
[15:46:08] <gloops> good pair of mole grips deals with stuck allen bolts anyway
[15:46:30] <miss0r> Its not because the chinese don't want to make good tools; their hex wrenches are 20 times harder than their bolts... as long as you stick to one supplier for all the stuff, you are good :D
[15:47:42] <miss0r> I even have a drawer labeled 'generic chinesium bolts' for the odd job that doesn't require any strength - if I don't have the correct 12.9 allen bolt on hand
[15:48:33] <miss0r> But I would like to stretch: if any of you come across a set of metric allen keys that are T-shapes WITHOUT any plastic on them, I would love to hear about it.
[15:48:44] <XXCoder> way too pricy lol https://www.indiegogo.com
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[15:49:44] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: MCMaster has them
[15:49:56] <miss0r> realy? What are they called there?
[15:50:22] <CaptHindsight> Looped T-handle
[15:51:07] <XXCoder> miss0r: but rubber coating on handle is good for grip?
[15:51:31] <CaptHindsight> they have with and without plastidop handles
[15:51:43] <CaptHindsight> dop/dip
[15:52:12] <miss0r> XXCoder: Sure. But I always end up getting them greased 7 oiled up to a point of no return.
[15:52:18] <miss0r> 7 ? /
[15:52:40] <miss0r> and the pure steel takes it alot nicer when cleaned off with brake cleaner afterwards
[15:52:54] <XXCoder> though can strip and re-dip
[15:53:02] <XXCoder> but yeah
[15:53:24] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: They look pretty good, but not exactly what I was looking for :D
[15:53:29] <XXCoder> mine is very pitted and chipped. dropped it so many times, and many times into pile of chips "{
[15:53:31] <XXCoder> :P
[15:53:42] <methods_> https://phys.org
[15:53:50] <miss0r> I was hoping to get one where it has an allen key on both the long and the short leg
[15:53:51] <gloops> https://www.cromwell.co.uk
[15:54:07] <miss0r> gloops: ! !
[15:54:08] <gloops> Facom £90 for 5
[15:54:08] <miss0r> yeah !
[15:54:12] <methods_> use a sharpie on gummy metal to get a good cut
[15:54:51] <miss0r> so; facom... good or bad? I don't know this brand
[15:55:12] <XXCoder> there is set that has both normal spot and one of ends on T handle
[15:55:19] <XXCoder> for higher torque
[15:55:23] <gloops> looks pretty good, burnished tips for precision fit
[15:55:43] <gloops> i dont know the brand - you dont think id pay that lol
[15:55:44] <miss0r> XXCoder: Exactly what gloops just posted a link to
[15:55:53] <XXCoder> nah its different
[15:55:58] <Wolf__> for that price I would hope they turn the screws in for you
[15:56:06] <miss0r> I would absolutly; I like buying tools _once_ and just get good quality off the bat
[15:56:56] <miss0r> I would have loved for the set to also include a 10mm one, then it covers what I mostly use in the t-key range
[15:56:57] <rmu> hazzy-lab: do you know the "proper" qtvcp branch? I'm currently on qt5_vcp_cleanup, but there also seems to be recent activity on qt5vcp_py2
[15:57:30] <XXCoder> miss0r: https://static-content.cromwell.co.uk
[15:57:38] <XXCoder> not best example but basic idea
[15:58:02] <miss0r> XXCoder: Well, that is basically what gloops posted. Well, without the plastics
[15:58:13] <miss0r> which is exactly what I was looking for
[15:58:34] <XXCoder> somewhat different but yeah. I did see gloop link :)
[15:58:48] <Wolf__> https://www.ultimategarage.com ouch lol
[15:59:16] <XXCoder> expensive yeah
[15:59:20] <XXCoder> my set cost just $50
[15:59:30] <XXCoder> but then it dont have features that one does.
[15:59:34] <miss0r> Wolf__: I can't load that link :S
[15:59:55] <miss0r> "Precondition Failed"
[16:00:01] <Wolf__> 8pc set 2mm-10mm $195usd
[16:00:28] <Wolf__> of the facom T hex
[16:00:57] <gloops> well, how long does a $2 allen key last in a garage - 1 job, maybe
[16:00:59] <Wolf__> miss0r: https://www.ebay.com
[16:01:09] <miss0r> gloops: Damnit! That set you posted is just what I want. But I can't shop there, as they only sell to UK based adresses
[16:02:05] <miss0r> wolf__: Looking at the pictures there, it doesn't look like they are all facom.
[16:02:07] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[16:02:30] <gloops> hmm thats UK only too i think
[16:02:39] <miss0r> yep
[16:03:08] <Wolf__> says right in the description that the design changed but facom never updated the stock photo
[16:03:09] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[16:03:51] <Wolf__> seems best bet is to just search ebay for facom hex T
[16:04:35] <gloops> yeah there will be some
[16:04:39] <miss0r> Wolf__: Then that links is nice, it has all the key sizes I would use with the T-design
[16:04:54] <miss0r> its just the finish on some of the key looks like crap compared to the stock :D
[16:07:22] <Wolf__> really thats the first time I have seen a set of hex that are made that way
[16:07:32] <Wolf__> I kinda want a set now lol
[16:08:07] <gregcnc> beta seems to have a similar set, but I don't know them?
[16:08:30] <Wolf__> but $152 is a bit much for 8 hex wrenches imo
[16:09:00] <miss0r> Wolf__: I can highly recommend it! I have a collague(spell) with a set like that. It is the best thing ever
[16:09:42] <Wolf__> one of the tool boxes I bought came with a full drawer of hex keys
[16:09:53] <Wolf__> I have a life time supply and then some
[16:10:05] <gregcnc> yeah I have boxes of hex keys for the same reason
[16:10:18] <miss0r> sure... but do they look as shiney and pretty ? :D
[16:10:33] <gregcnc> https://www.amazon.com
[16:11:24] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com nope, def not shiny
[16:11:24] <CaptHindsight> I have lots of sets of smaller tools that I have collected over the years when traveling since they stopped allowing them on carry-on
[16:11:28] <miss0r> gregcnc: I actualy have a set like that branded 'worker'; with the same ridiculous plastic on'em. They have lasted my (ab)use for 7 years now. The quality of the steel is VERY good
[16:12:25] <gregcnc> https://www.pbswisstools.com
[16:12:27] <miss0r> from a danish supplyer: https://ao.dk
[16:12:32] <miss0r> they still stell them. damn
[16:12:36] <CaptHindsight> some customer sites don't have tools, so you have to buy some and ship them back
[16:12:55] <Wolf__> http://a.co those look nice
[16:14:25] <CaptHindsight> back in the 70-80's we used to carry on our metal tool boxes, they would xray them to be sure we didn't have anything dangerous inside
[16:14:27] <miss0r> gregcnc: One additional pro of the ridiculously coloured ones; when/if you misplace them, they will find their way back. My set is still complete after 7 years. it is the only allenkey set i've never lost a single key from
[16:15:39] <miss0r> Wolf__: yeah they do. I would just worrie that I would get black oil/grease into the sliding hex hole, and never be able to clean them properly again :) I like my tools clean before I put them back in the box
[16:16:14] <CaptHindsight> hand tools in carry-on became dangerous only after 2001
[16:16:41] <miss0r> Alright, I'll call it a night. I will go off-grid for the next 5 days, camping and cannoing in the swedish forests (hoping not to run into a forest fire). See you around
[16:16:58] <CaptHindsight> watch out for bears
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[16:17:32] <gregcnc> I wonder what happened with the frozen pig?
[16:18:22] <andypugh> You remember I posted a link to an Instructable I wrote last night? As a challenge, try to find it usingtheir search. It has the word “Verowire” in the title, as a clue.
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[16:19:13] <gregcnc> tf is wrong with their search? google found it fast
[16:20:27] <CaptHindsight> they also tend to cleverly hide the links to the detailed info on the project
[16:20:35] <gregcnc> when did autodesk aquire instructables>?
[16:21:29] <gregcnc> ppft a long time ago
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[16:23:34] <mase> Are some of you useing freecad for designing tools
[16:25:15] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: More better changes: https://www.dropbox.com
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[16:30:23] <TurBoss> mase: me
[16:30:44] <mase> could u show thing what u made
[16:30:50] <mase> would be great
[16:31:04] <TurBoss> using freecad with linuxcnc
[16:31:42] <TurBoss> sure
[16:31:44] <TurBoss> sek
[16:33:01] * TurBoss uploaded an image: 20180718_223217.jpg (736KB) < https://matrix.org >
[16:34:12] <Wolf__> CaptHindsight: you do any work with autocollimators?
[16:34:20] <TurBoss> this are parts of a robot arm
[16:35:35] <mase> Is this 3d Printed ?
[16:35:46] <mase> what will this arm do ?
[16:35:53] <hazzy-lab> Those look great TurBoss!
[16:35:57] <TurBoss> no
[16:36:18] <CaptHindsight> Wolf__: I uses all sorts of optics and lasers for alignment
[16:36:18] <TurBoss> machined
[16:36:19] <TurBoss> not sure yet xD just a little toy
[16:36:49] <TurBoss> ty hazzy
[16:37:58] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: when I query for "Verowire" your article is the 5th hit!!!!!
[16:38:31] <hazzy-lab> and it is only a day old
[16:38:33] <Wolf__> CaptHindsight: guess my memory isnt failing me yet lol, how bad is the learing curve on them, thinking about getting one off ebay at some pint
[16:38:38] <Wolf__> point*
[16:39:18] <CaptHindsight> hazzy-lab: his article doesn't even show up for me
[16:39:41] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: Not for me. And do the first 4 hits actually mention Verowire in your case?
[16:40:11] <hazzy-lab> Yes, all but the first one
[16:40:19] <hazzy-lab> strange
[16:41:12] <hazzy-lab> https://i.imgur.com
[16:41:58] <gregcnc> google yes, but instrucbles site search fails
[16:42:17] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: That’s a Google search, I was talking about the Instructables site search
[16:42:20] * hazzy-lab is not good at reading instructions
[16:42:22] <hazzy-lab> xD
[16:42:32] <hazzy-lab> sorry
[16:43:49] <hazzy-lab> instructables its like grabcad or thingaverse, only the most popular things show up
[16:43:57] <hazzy-lab> which is a shame
[16:44:09] <CaptHindsight> the only way I could find Andy's Instructables article is by looking at the IRC log :)
[16:44:30] <hazzy-lab> because treasure is usually buried
[16:46:08] <XXCoder> instructables suck
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[17:04:30] <XXCoder> dang enw dumbass challenge: get out of car while its moving
[17:05:05] <Wolf__> darwin challenge
[17:05:14] <XXCoder> indeed
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[17:19:55] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:32:17] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: My STMBLs just arrived!!!!
[17:32:52] <jthornton> where did you get them from?
[17:33:17] <jthornton> just popped in and downloaded the files gotta finish up the deer fence
[17:35:28] <jthornton> hazzy-lab: thanks for the help
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[17:37:53] <diverdude> Can linuxcnc run reliably on anything a bit more modern than debian wheezy which is not even in LTS anymore
[17:39:01] <pcw_mesa> I have it running on Mint 18.3 and Debian Stretch
[17:40:55] <pcw_mesa> and Ubuntu 16.04 and Raspbian mumble.mumble and bunsenlabs etc etc
[17:41:13] <diverdude> pcw_mesa: ok...so you just installed mint 18.3 and then did apt-get install linuxcnc or did you build linuxcnc yourself or how did you set it up?
[17:42:16] <pcw_mesa> i installed Mint18.3 built a Preempt-RT real time kernel and installed LinuxCNC from source
[17:42:30] <diverdude> pcw_mesa: ok - was that difficult?
[17:42:50] <pcw_mesa> not after doing it 400 times or so
[17:43:16] <Wolf__> Mint flavored Lcnc isnt too hard, I managed to do it and I’m totally clueless to how to linux
[17:43:51] <diverdude> pcw_mesa: would you happen to have a guide to how to set it up somewhere? :)
[17:43:57] <pcw_mesa> its not hard, it may be tedious on a slow machine
[17:44:12] <Wolf__> there is 3-5 how to on the lcnc forum
[17:44:14] <pcw_mesa> theres a guide on the forum
[17:44:38] <pcw_mesa> also you can try the stretch-linuxCNC test ISO
[17:45:00] <pcw_mesa> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[17:45:53] <Wolf__> good pro tip there, if you are using a atom processor board, dual boot or live usb boot up something with a real cpu to compile
[17:45:56] <diverdude> pcw_mesa: ok...do you think it would work on mint 19?
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[17:46:27] <pcw_mesa> _maybe_
[17:47:00] <pcw_mesa> worst case it you may find yourself in a dependency hell
[17:47:05] <diverdude> i should try that
[17:47:32] <pcw_mesa> best to try on a fast machine
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[17:48:23] <diverdude> pcw_mesa: oh but http://www.linuxcnc.org are prebuilt distros w. linuxcnc yeah?
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[17:54:11] <pcw_mesa> Yes, by far the easiest way to get a modern distro + RT kernel + linuxCNC
[17:54:24] <pcw_mesa> (for X86)
[17:55:01] <diverdude> pcw_mesa: yeah my cnc computer is an X86
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[18:04:44] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: Don’t miss the cases that are wrapped in brown paper in the bottom of the box :-)
[18:05:51] <andypugh> diverdude: There is a LoiveCD for Stretch. I would suggest starting there
[18:06:19] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[18:06:44] <andypugh> Ah, I need to learn to read forwards as well as back
[18:15:25] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: everything about the STMBL kits FAR exceeds what I had expected!
[18:15:43] <hazzy-lab> Thank you so much!
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[18:18:12] <hazzy-lab> I'll have to populate that extra board you threw in :)
[18:18:32] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: I would have to charge twice as much, I think, if it was a commercial enterprise. But this was juat about _me_ getting some STMBL and getting some more out there.
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[18:19:18] <hazzy-lab> I think they would be a steal of even 3x as much
[18:19:20] <andypugh> The extra board is handy for checking the pinout. Less relevant with the printed case.
[18:19:23] <hazzy-lab> at*
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[19:44:00] <Wolf__> some days ebay is good for a laugh, https://www.ebay.com I wonder why there is 5 people watching this thing
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[20:13:07] <andypugh> Mayve they have on broken in a different way?
[20:13:27] <andypugh> Or, they have one to sell and are wondering about market value.
[20:14:55] <Wolf__> I have the same unit, or a bigger one of that model anyways. I dont know if I would try taking it apart
[20:15:14] <Wolf__> even better there is one listed at $2000
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[22:32:53] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:39:37] <rebecca> nice
[22:42:49] <Tom_L> first article
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