#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-07-28
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[01:26:23] <hazzy-lab> logs
[01:27:09] <hazzy-lab> My log bot died on the 21st, yikes!
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[02:28:42] <IchGucksLive> morning from germany
[02:29:03] <IchGucksLive> after a long night of full moon
[02:29:08] <IchGucksLive> Red
[02:44:19] <jesseg> Good Morning IchGucksLive
[02:51:44] <hazzy-lab> I can't sleep because of the darn moon, lol
[02:52:51] <IchGucksLive> aroiund 2500 people joint the lake has been full of people around
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[02:54:00] <jesseg> What's wrong with the moon there hazzy-dev ? looks fine here
[02:54:28] <jesseg> of course it's partly obscured by clouds, maybe the half I couldn't see is special
[02:54:33] <hazzy-lab> lol
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[03:06:33] <IchGucksLive> im off till later
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[03:42:52] <Deejay> moin
[03:47:51] <Tecan-> hazzy-lab, its inductive probe
[03:48:01] <Tecan-> DC 5V M18 8mm NPN NO LJ18A3-8-Z/BX-5V 300mA Inductive Proximity Sensor Switch
[03:53:31] <XXCoder> LOL http://www.bluemilkspecial.com
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[06:02:02] <jthornton> morning
[06:07:02] <XXCoder> yo
[06:41:03] <Tom_L> morning
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[09:55:15] <R2E4> evening, morning, afternoon
[10:26:51] <Deejay> afternoon ;)
[10:33:26] <robotustra> Morgen stunde bringen Gold in Munde
[10:34:00] <Deejay> Morgenstund hat Gold im Mund! ;)
[10:34:53] <robotustra> aber das ist keine cnc
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[11:53:04] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[11:53:20] <IchGucksLive> robotustra, ich bin in zweibrücken
[11:53:57] <robotustra> ich bin aus montreal
[11:54:12] <IchGucksLive> und warumm dan deutsch
[11:54:37] <IchGucksLive> Deejay, hatet ihr regen
[11:54:51] <robotustra> I study it a little bit
[11:55:15] <robotustra> my 5th language
[12:00:14] <Deejay> IchGucksLive, 1 liter / m² :(
[12:00:28] <Deejay> we need much much much MUCH more
[12:03:36] <jthornton> hazzy-lab, it's slow going but I'm getting close to functioning
[12:04:50] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: Hurray!
[12:11:09] <jthornton> I should have something to look at by tomorrow
[12:17:06] <robotustra> do you mean "hurry"?
[12:18:28] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: That too :)
[12:19:24] <robotustra> kid's birthdays rips fruitful weekends.. :(
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[12:35:49] <IchGucksLive> im off
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[12:38:37] <jthornton> hazzy-lab, if you get a chance run the program and open test.ini from the menu, I'm stuck on what's wrong http://gnipsel.com
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[14:49:51] <gregcnc> Brother TC225 with Linuxcnc Pathpilot https://www.instagram.com
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[14:52:40] * infornography gives linuxcnc irc channel members free e-pizza
[14:57:02] <hazzy-dev> infornography: That was good, thanks! I needed that
[14:57:03] <hazzy-dev> :)
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[14:59:11] <fragalot> Hey.
[15:03:02] <JT-Shop> hey
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[15:08:48] <MrHindsight> fragalot: welcome back
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[15:28:59] <jthornton> hazzy-dev, I think I'm going to have to start over, my plan has a huge flaw
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[15:39:42] <Roguish> jthornton: hey, do you use any remote desktop with your linux?
[15:40:19] <Roguish> able to login and get a full X desktop?
[15:40:47] <jthornton> I did a few times just to play with it
[15:41:17] <Roguish> i've had Xdmcp working in the past, but it is broken now.
[15:41:39] <Roguish> using MobaXterm.
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[16:10:12] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: This the keyerror the problem you are having?
[16:10:17] <hazzy-lab> is*
[16:11:35] <jthornton> yes, if I change the text from the open file I get a key error
[16:12:33] <hazzy-lab> ok, you are trying to access a key that is not in the dict
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[16:13:26] <jthornton> yes, so not sure if the present way of updating the dictionary when something changes is the best way now
[16:13:55] <hazzy-lab> you can use my_dict.get("key_name") which will return non instead of raising a keyerror if the key does not exist
[16:14:24] <jthornton> ok, let me mess with that a bit
[16:14:43] <hazzy-lab> I have not look at what you are doing yet, I have some other ideas that might help too ...
[16:14:55] <jthornton> ok thanks
[16:15:21] <jthornton> the config name is the only one that I'm trying to get to work with file open
[16:16:08] <jthornton> section = self.sender().property("iniSection")
[16:16:59] <jthornton> that is the offending line because the property is not there when I just set the text from code
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[16:19:53] <XXCoder> new robrenz video and its short one lol
[16:20:10] <jthornton> be back in a bit going to see if I fixed the hydraulic leak on the ole hoe
[16:21:59] <hazzy-lab> sounds funner than debugging!
[16:22:19] <XXCoder> dude he has .00005 gauge. thats crazy, and I thouht .0001" gauges was crazy accurate
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[16:22:49] <XXCoder> it has marks for .000025" also. just insane
[16:27:16] <syyl_> electronic indicator ;)
[16:27:16] <syyl_> http://gtwr.de
[16:27:17] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: That is a standard test gauge
[16:27:34] <syyl_> smallest increment 0,03micron per division
[16:31:23] <Deejay> gn8
[16:31:37] <hazzy-lab> # This file was created with the 7i96 Wizard on Jul 28 2018 16:31:03
[16:31:37] <hazzy-lab> # If you make changes to this file your screwed
[16:31:40] <hazzy-lab> xD
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[16:32:01] <hazzy-lab> I love that kinda of thing, lol
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[16:41:54] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: The problem is that when you load a file from the "Open File" menu, the QAction from the menu item is the sender, and of course it does not have the iniSection or iniItem properties set
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[16:43:29] <hazzy-lab> I would suggest simply hard coding "EMC" and "MACHINE" section and item values in onConfigNameChanged, since those are not likely to change
[16:43:56] <hazzy-lab> You could also do:
[16:43:57] <hazzy-lab> section = self.sender().property("iniSection") or "EMC"
[16:43:58] <hazzy-lab> item = self.sender().property('iniItem') or "MACHINE"
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[16:44:42] <hazzy-lab> is the "self.sender().property("iniSection")" value is None the or will make it default to "EMC"
[16:45:56] <JT-Shop> the ole hoe quit leaking so I dug 30' feet if ditch... heading down to test thank
[16:45:57] <JT-Shop> s
[16:47:08] <hazzy-lab> JT-Shop: that was quick, wish I could be that productive!
[16:48:38] <jthornton> I fixed the leak earlier so all I had to do was dig and look for spots on the ground
[16:49:19] <jthornton> not sure what to do about the other ones
[16:57:28] <jthornton> hazzy-lab, you gave me the hint I needed https://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:57:43] <jthornton> I'm back in the saddle again!
[16:57:45] <jthornton> Thanks
[16:57:52] <hazzy-lab> Hurray!
[16:58:17] <jthornton> never would have though of using or in that context
[16:58:23] <hazzy-lab> That looks like it is going to be a real nice config wizard
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[16:58:38] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: It is very useful!
[16:58:48] <hazzy-lab> easy way to set defaults
[17:00:51] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: You might look into using ConfigObject, it allows you to read and edit INI files while preserving comments and formating: https://pythonhosted.org
[17:01:32] <hazzy-lab> It would make it possible to re-read a INI file somebody had edited by hand, so as not to overwrite there changes and comments
[17:01:40] <jthornton> I've decided not to use configparser to write the file that way I can put whatever I want in there
[17:02:02] <jthornton> hmm I'll have to look at configobject then
[17:02:19] <hazzy-lab> Yes, that is a good idea, but for re-reading them it might be good
[17:02:40] <hazzy-lab> just a thought, I keep meaning to play with it and have not had the time
[17:04:17] <jthornton> I think for now I'll just focus on getting the bare bones to work and read the ini into the dict and create the files needed to run then look at getting fancy
[17:04:53] <hazzy-lab> Yes, avoid scope creep at all costs!!
[17:05:09] * hazzy-lab is the master of scope creep
[17:05:31] <hazzy-lab> the reason why a never finish anything, lol
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[17:43:56] <jthornton> is there a way to tell if the self.sender() is a QAction object?
[17:44:26] <hazzy-lab> Yes! Sek
[17:45:16] <hazzy-lab> if isinstance(self.sender(), QAction):
[17:45:16] <hazzy-lab> "do something"
[17:45:25] <jthornton> ah thanks
[17:45:59] <XXCoder> hazzy-lab: no its not. mine is .0005" that one has extra zero
[17:47:26] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: You have a cheap one then
[17:47:41] <XXCoder> $210 cheap dunno
[17:47:42] <hazzy-lab> No, you are right, most common is .0005"
[17:48:15] <hazzy-lab> The .00005" ones have so little travel they are a pain to use
[17:48:23] <XXCoder> I thought highest resolution was .0001" but dnag
[17:48:26] <XXCoder> dang
[17:51:00] <XXCoder> I guess theres specific usage for those, and that guy used it for that
[17:51:01] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: Many dial comparators go down to .00001"
[17:51:44] <XXCoder> I know to compare something to say .0001" precision you want devices to be 10 times more precise, but I dunno
[17:53:22] <XXCoder> i guess usercase olviously exists, otherwise it wouldnt be marketed
[17:53:25] <hazzy-lab> Yes, even for just checking the run out on a spindle, you may need to use a .00001" indicator
[17:54:20] <XXCoder> so far I only needed .0005" which is good enough for most cases. and .0001" for dial indictor (not test) for some uses
[17:54:26] <XXCoder> like bores
[17:58:38] <hazzy-lab> for most stuff that is plenty good enough
[17:58:54] <XXCoder> yeah
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[18:03:10] <XXCoder> intresting https://www.youtube.com
[18:03:23] <XXCoder> I firs heard of this type of gun in science fiction
[18:04:01] <XXCoder> murder was done with gyrojet gun so it was very rare and untracable
[18:04:19] <XXCoder> and teleportion booths killed all alibi
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[18:12:04] <rue_shop3> whats a typical fine value for dwell at the bottom of a hole?
[18:12:15] <rue_shop3> 0.25 sec seems excessive...
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[18:31:25] <gregcnc> calculate dwell based on RPM and number of flutes
[18:31:46] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com pretty cool
[18:32:19] <rue_shop3> gregcnc, and give it how many turns, and what fuedge factor?
[18:33:14] <rue_shop3> as in, how many teeth should pass over a point till you can assume that any flex, etc from the machine is done with and there is no more cutting happening
[18:34:01] <rue_shop3> the bit needs to relief from the compression caused by the force of the drilling and the heat needs to equalize after all
[18:34:11] <XXCoder> I wish that mill isnt so expensive
[18:34:21] <rue_shop3> cant have a hole out cause of thermal expansion of the drillbit
[18:35:41] <gregcnc> if you need to that precise only experimentation and measuring will tell.
[18:35:55] <XXCoder> if that precise, reamer?
[18:36:09] <rue_shop3> hmm
[18:36:24] <gregcnc> dwell won't change diameter or roundness
[18:36:38] <rue_shop3> hahaha it'll still come out a triangular hole!
[18:36:55] <XXCoder> reamer is pretty simple concept, you can probably can make one yourself if have lathe and mill
[18:36:56] <rue_shop3> upgrades from the drillpress...
[18:37:20] <XXCoder> or even better, combo
[18:37:21] <gregcnc> reamer won't finish the bottom of the hole if that is the concern
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[18:37:50] <rue_shop3> I'm just doing basic normal drilling, I was hoping for a generic number people throw at the dwell param
[18:37:55] <XXCoder> yeah if thats a concern, maybe do drills then endmill to finish size
[18:38:04] <rue_shop3> if everyone is breaking out calculators, I'll just go with like .05 seconds
[18:38:31] <gregcnc> I use one full turn, it's mainly a concern at low RPM
[18:40:04] <gregcnc> rapid retract can be tough on drills without
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[18:43:49] <XXCoder> 666,666.666 steps pr rev, nice and evil lol
[18:44:40] <XXCoder> http://doughtydrive.com
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[18:49:00] <gregcnc> we've seen steppers playing music, how about a cutter? https://www.instagram.com
[18:49:29] <XXCoder> not surpised
[18:49:40] <XXCoder> I bet you that it can change tone by depth of cutting
[18:52:13] <roycroft> so i just got, well, a couple days ago, but it's just now been tolerable enough in my shop to check out, a simple, non-adjustable right angle jig for track saw
[18:52:26] <roycroft> i did a test to see how square it is
[18:52:52] <roycroft> i took a sheet of plywood that was about 48" square, and made four cuts on it, indexing each cut off the previous one
[18:53:02] <roycroft> then i made a fifth cut, indexed off the fourth
[18:53:12] <roycroft> and measured the width of the fifth strip at both ends
[18:53:18] <roycroft> the difference was 0.003"
[18:53:24] <roycroft> that's astonishingly accurate
[18:53:32] <roycroft> that is 5x the total error
[18:53:39] <roycroft> er, 5x the error on each cut
[18:53:46] <roycroft> or the error over 240 inches
[18:54:12] <roycroft> which works out to be 0.0004 degrees, or 1.2892 arc seconds
[18:54:25] <roycroft> i think it's a keeper :)
[18:55:25] <roycroft> and the beauty is, you just slide it on the track, engage the clamp, and cut
[18:55:31] <roycroft> no adjusting, no fiddling of any kind
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[19:55:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[21:41:49] <Tom_itx> hey pete
[21:42:17] <BeachBumPete> Hey Tom
[21:42:21] <BeachBumPete> Howzitgoin?
[21:42:32] <Tom_itx> good
[21:42:51] <Tom_itx> workin on a program and hopefully gonna make some chips tonight
[21:44:00] <BeachBumPete> I'm working on a thing myself ;)
[21:44:24] <Tom_itx> cool
[21:46:50] <BeachBumPete> https://imgur.com
[21:47:37] <Tom_itx> printer?
[21:47:44] <hazzy-lab> BeachBumPete: Sweet!
[21:47:45] <BeachBumPete> yeah 3D printer
[21:47:56] <BeachBumPete> thanks Hazzy its gonna be interesting
[21:48:05] <Tom_itx> have fun with it
[21:48:10] <BeachBumPete> hopefully
[21:48:11] <hazzy-lab> Looks decent, all metal frame it seems
[21:48:21] <BeachBumPete> yeah its MOSTLY metal
[21:48:32] <BeachBumPete> some of the stepper mounts are laser cut acrylic
[21:48:32] <hazzy-lab> very nice
[21:48:41] <XXCoder> looks nice
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[21:48:44] <BeachBumPete> its 400x400x400mm
[21:48:58] <hazzy-lab> They will last long enough to print better mounts, lol
[21:49:00] <XXCoder> may it heat glue well
[21:49:27] <BeachBumPete> If I have to make new ones I will probably make aluminum ones on my VMC
[21:49:37] <BeachBumPete> but we will see how it goes with what it comes with at first
[21:49:47] <XXCoder> or go myfordboy and cast printed parts and mill it
[21:49:58] <hazzy-lab> that's no fun, the printer has to print it's own parts :D
[21:50:04] <BeachBumPete> IKR
[21:50:36] <BeachBumPete> luckily if I wanted to there are TONS of 3D printed parts for this machine on thingiverse
[21:50:41] <XXCoder> hazzy-lab: well yeah thats where mold part comes from :D
[21:51:33] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: Yep! I got mine to make patters!
[21:52:02] <hazzy-lab> It made it's own e-chain though: https://youtu.be
[21:52:41] <BeachBumPete> Damn that thing moves!
[21:52:55] <XXCoder> indeed. its fast enough for laser
[21:53:01] <XXCoder> rel hotend hazzy-lab ?
[21:53:05] <XXCoder> not chineseium clones?
[21:53:10] * hazzy-lab is a speed junkie
[21:53:32] <hazzy-lab> If I want nice parts I slow it down, that is set to "show off"
[21:54:46] <hazzy-lab> BeachBumPete: You'll have a blast with that printer! They are really fun, less tense than running a VMC
[21:55:18] <BeachBumPete> for sure man I hope so... got a nice DJI Inspire to print once I get this sorted out ;)
[21:55:20] <XXCoder> how did you get that all flat bed?
[21:55:23] <XXCoder> bolts is real annoying
[21:56:28] <hazzy-lab> just countersunk the holes in the bed :P
[21:57:00] <hazzy-lab> that is the stock hot end, very cheaply made but OK
[21:57:42] <hazzy-lab> I have a total of $209 in that printer, nothing fancy
[21:58:13] <XXCoder> I have a junk printer, I want to convert it to run off tb6560, and make it a plotter or something
[21:58:24] <XXCoder> because reprap firmwares suck
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[22:00:52] <hazzy-lab> a plotter would be neat, might be OK for even a small dragknife
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[22:02:47] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:02:57] <XXCoder> mght make it multiform machine
[22:03:02] <XXCoder> like tooli or something
[22:04:58] <BeachBumPete> Tom_itx whatcha makin?
[22:06:39] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:06:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:07:34] <andypugh> If it’s show and tell time :-) https://www.instructables.com
[22:07:56] <Tom_itx> ahh you got it done
[22:08:00] <Tom_itx> looks cool
[22:08:55] <andypugh> I enteres it in their “Clocks” contest. Frankly I will be disappointed if I don’t win at least a T-shirt.
[22:10:27] <BeachBumPete> SWEET PROJECTS!
[22:10:58] * Tom_itx heads back out to test some code
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[23:57:51] <Wolf_> andypugh: thats awesome
[23:58:21] <Wolf_> my excitement for the day was ordering a $150 book…
[23:58:29] <XXCoder> hey andypugh saw your video. awesome!
[23:58:39] <XXCoder> led segements from those "old style" led lights?