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[01:16:36] <selroc> not working
[01:16:36] <hazzy-lab> lol, they are not registered
[01:16:50] <hazzy-lab> after the spam attack they can't talk
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[01:17:07] <hazzy-lab> I guess I should register mine
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[01:19:16] <hazzy-lab> Tom_L: is on it too it looks like :)
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[01:31:44] <hazzy-lab> selroc: http://irc-logs.kcjengr.com
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[04:06:19] <TurBoss> morning
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[04:45:32] <miss0r> again having a few of those chinesium boring head boring bars handy saves the day :]
[04:51:41] <miss0r> as much as I hate most everything about them, they can come in handy for the odd job, where you grind the living bejesus out of them
[05:00:27] <miss0r> But using it to bore out a metal on metal bearing as I am right now, is almost criminal :D
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[06:21:28] <XXCoder> forwards
[06:22:04] <XXCoder> miss0r: boring heads is boring way to solve problem
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[06:53:25] <jthornton> morning
[06:54:27] <XXCoder> yo
[06:57:18] <jthornton> chickens get 2 minutes of extra light today
[06:58:34] <XXCoder> oh your chicvkens lights finally started triggering?
[06:59:25] <jthornton> that's what the chick.html page says lights true door opens at 6:06 sunrise at 6:08
[07:02:00] <XXCoder> cool :)
[07:03:56] <jthornton> IIRC one of the shop lights in the run is not working
[07:04:56] <jthornton> 64°F nice
[07:05:22] <XXCoder> here its 70s, creeping into 80s in monday and tues
[07:05:27] <XXCoder> I hope it dont creep into 90s
[07:05:50] <jthornton> low 90's for a high here for the next week
[07:07:07] <jthornton> lights on, door opens yea
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[07:13:25] <sealive> hi all
[07:13:55] <sealive> it is super hot here hitting 37 today
[07:14:17] <XXCoder> fancy
[07:14:29] <sealive> XXCoder, how are the firers developing
[07:14:44] <XXCoder> dunno wasnt following
[07:14:47] <sealive> we got full alarm here this morning 5.30am
[07:15:04] <sealive> hedding towards washington state
[07:15:05] <XXCoder> cool here now though, but will slowly rise to 80s F at monday and tues
[07:15:21] <sealive> we are well over 100F
[07:15:37] <XXCoder> that sucks
[07:15:43] <XXCoder> hot weather will only get worse
[07:16:39] <XXCoder> more extreme each year. it sucks
[07:24:51] <sealive> Trump will put the best on this years Hurrican seson
[07:25:14] <sealive> he might plant some new trees on his golfcourse payd by gov aid
[07:25:28] <sealive> AND Ivanka for President
[07:25:52] <sealive> im off later folks
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[07:26:36] <XXCoder> eccchy
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[09:15:17] <Tom_L> 65F Hi 94
[09:18:44] <beachbumpete1> https://i.imgur.com FIRST TEST PRINT EVER!! ;)
[09:26:49] <jdh> it's so cute.
[09:27:32] <jdh> not really, but that's what you say about ugly babies
[09:46:03] <beachbumpete1> IKR its not very pretty... its also underextruded pretty badly gotta tweak settings but honestly for a kit 3D printer that arrived in a box a week ago to this as a first test print I am fairly pleased
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[09:58:47] <jthornton> which printer is it?
[10:01:02] <chorler> Hi folks, my father has a machine set up fed through a Sunix 5008A parallel port pci card. The Sunix provided driver is standalone - doesn't communicate with the kernel parport driver. So I hacked the parport_serial driver to work with the card - now it works as expected with HAL. Whilst doing this I also noticed that there are 3 other cards that it's probably possible to fix - so I wondered if anyone has bought any of these and
[10:01:04] <chorler> got them stashed in a cupboard somewhere...
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[10:01:24] <chorler> They are :
[10:02:52] <chorler> SUNIX 1999, 5069A, 5079A (already in the kernel - but probably wrong settings for parallel based on my tests with the 5008A), 5099A
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[10:05:43] <cradek> do I understand right that this is not a linuxcnc change, you added them to the kernel module and then linuxcnc worked with the new card type?
[10:06:21] <chorler> yes
[10:06:29] <cradek> cool!
[10:06:32] <chorler> I'm looking for people to test
[10:06:57] <chorler> before I submit patch upstream
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[10:07:23] <cradek> here is a good place to ask, and also the mailing list and the forum
[10:07:29] <robotustra> is it possble to upgrade wheezy to jessy and save old kernel with rtk?
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[10:10:52] <chorler> okay, I'll subscribe to mailing list / join forum
[10:11:11] <cradek> awesome
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[10:12:32] <cradek> chorler: https://sourceforge.net
[10:12:51] <cradek> chorler: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[10:13:15] <cradek> (oof it's not so easy to find that mailing list)
[10:15:04] <chorler> thanks
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[10:17:00] <sealive> whow we are melting here in southwest germany near the french boarder
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[11:28:32] <sealive> need somthing to cool down
[11:28:58] <sealive> no breeze and climbing temps inside the house
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[12:06:03] <roycroft> it's only going to get up to 26 here today
[12:06:15] <roycroft> we need this break from mid-upper 30s temperatures
[12:10:04] <hazzy-lab> roycroft: glad to hear you get a respite
[12:10:23] <hazzy-lab> but the heat just came over here to dixie ...
[12:10:33] <hazzy-lab> its been unusually cool, but its like a sauna today :(
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[12:58:04] <sealive> hi all
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[12:58:32] <sealive> is chorler german ?
[12:59:01] <sealive> WTF sirence sounding What wa week need to close BYE
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[13:01:12] <miss0r> I went to repair a gear hobber today. Someone was noticing that the lubrication system was not giving enough flow. They removed one of the main oil lines to check the flow, forgot that they did, and started running the machine. It ran for 1 day, before a steel on steel bearing in the feed gearbox _welded_
[13:02:28] <robotustra> noice
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[13:02:59] <robotustra> friction welding
[13:03:52] <miss0r> Its the bearing for one of three replaceable gears in the gear box in question. It welded, unscrewed a nut, ripped a 12.9 5mm allenhead screw in half, but before the torque ripped it apart, it tightened the shaft it was welding too(it is threaded in with a 12x1mm fine thread) with enough force to rip the nut with build in oil feed almost in three places. and it managed to wreck the surface it is all supposed to slide on
[13:04:32] <miss0r> I had to extend my allen key with a 1meter long pipe to get enough torque to get it apart.
[13:04:42] <miss0r> Well, needless to say, I had to make some new parts ;)
[13:05:05] <miss0r> At the moment I am one m18x1.5 thread from completion
[13:05:07] <robotustra> horror stories
[13:05:11] <miss0r> yeah :]
[13:05:30] <miss0r> well, other peoples mistakes is my bread and butter
[13:06:01] <robotustra> so you can help them to make more errors
[13:06:13] <miss0r> only when they are not looking ;P
[13:06:28] <miss0r> Nah. I do what I can to prevent them from doing the same mistake again
[13:07:25] <robotustra> "experience is a knowledge how to behave in the situation that will never repeat again"
[13:07:29] <miss0r> I also told them to throw away some lubricating oil. the oil they were using on the machine in question was standing in an open container next to the machine. it was a 50/50 mix of nylon shavings and oil... I'll bet you, when I flush the lubricating system next week, I'll find alot more than that
[13:07:54] <miss0r> Sounds like wise words.
[13:08:07] <miss0r> I am slowly trying to build such experience
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[13:09:54] <robotustra> everyone does
[13:10:02] <miss0r> Yeah
[13:10:50] <miss0r> I haven't seen you much in here, I think. You new to these parts?
[13:10:57] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: https://www.banggood.com <= watch the video.
[13:11:10] <fragalot> miss0r: why I am quite the regular, actually
[13:11:14] <robotustra> yeah, I'm pretty new, may be 1-2 weeks
[13:11:36] <miss0r> fragalot: The log would disagree, looking back a few weeks ;P
[13:11:46] <miss0r> robotustra: What brought you here?
[13:12:21] <fragalot> miss0r: did you miss me? :P
[13:12:26] <fragalot> also - the gibs arrived
[13:12:32] <robotustra> I'm building a cnc lathe and planning to use linux cnc on it
[13:12:33] <miss0r> :o In that case, yes
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[13:12:48] <fragalot> i've started to straighten & scrape in the smallest one, hoping to get it done tomorrow
[13:12:51] <miss0r> robotustra: Nice. Pictures? or did it not happen?
[13:13:07] <miss0r> fragalot: that youtube live stream sounds like fun...
[13:13:26] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[13:13:28] <fragalot> I'll see if wifi makes it to the shed properly
[13:13:45] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[13:13:58] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
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[13:14:51] <miss0r> robotustra: Nice. Are you planning to fill those box sections with something to supress vibrations ?
[13:15:01] <miss0r> fragalot: A simple 'no' would suffice :)
[13:15:15] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[13:15:38] <robotustra> I will see, if it will vibrate a lot may be
[13:15:42] <fragalot> Terms and Conditions:
[13:15:43] <fragalot> Shake well before use, please wear a glove mask, the recommended temperature 20-25 ℃, to avoid dust and the environment.
[13:15:47] <robotustra> but it's a table size lathe
[13:15:48] <fragalot> I love chengrish
[13:16:06] <miss0r> robotustra: Yeah, I can tell. It looks realy nice
[13:16:30] <fragalot> miss0r: why not? I could set up a nice 4K 60fps stream, and tear through my data cap in like.. seconds. :D
[13:17:06] <robotustra> hope that it will work good as well, it'a not my first machine
[13:17:07] <miss0r> fragalot: hehe. I was out on a repair job today. Someone felt their gear hobber did not lubricate properly, so they removed a main oil line to check stuff out, and forgot to reinstall it. It ran for 1 day before welding shut
[13:17:43] <miss0r> robotustra: I must admit, I've always found it curious when people use box sections for machines like that. I have bad experience with that
[13:18:19] <fragalot> miss0r: ha :D
[13:18:22] <robotustra> it's quite rigid
[13:18:23] <miss0r> fragalot: (19:03:44)<miss0r>Its the bearing for one of three replaceable gears in the gear box in question. It welded, unscrewed a nut, ripped a 12.9 5mm allenhead screw in half, but before the torque ripped it apart, it tightened the shaft it was welding too(it is threaded in with a 12x1mm fine thread) with enough force to rip the nut with build in oil feed almost in three places. and it managed to wreck the surface it is all supposed to slid
[13:18:43] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[13:18:55] <fragalot> miss0r: sounds like a fun job!
[13:19:00] <miss0r> robotustra: I'm sure. It looks well made. And it is probally very stiff as well. Theres just something about box sections and vibrations...
[13:19:04] <fragalot> anything salvageable? :P
[13:19:31] <fragalot> miss0r: robotustra's build is likely to still be better than my 250x550 lathe.
[13:19:44] <miss0r> fragalot: Well.. the 'inner' part of the bearing.. Most of the welded material came from the outer part. So I reduced that part 1mm OD, and made a new outer bearing.
[13:19:51] <fragalot> box sections do like to vibrate/chatter, but filling them up typically solves that (mostly)
[13:19:55] <robotustra> miss0r, I'll try to balance everythig as good as I can
[13:20:04] <miss0r> fragalot: Yeah, your model came from toys'R'us
[13:20:23] <fragalot> miss0r: don't lower toys'R'us's standard like that
[13:20:37] <robotustra> I scraped the metal for this lathe like 120+ hours
[13:21:07] <miss0r> robotustra: I'm sure you will :) But the vibrations I'm talking about is the stuff that creates chatter, when you start cutting. Doesn't realy have anything to do with balance.. well, some..
[13:21:12] <miss0r> fragalot: :D
[13:21:30] <miss0r> robotustra: It realy does look nice. I am looking forward to seeing some more progress :D
[13:21:31] <robotustra> I know, probably I'll fill it with concrete
[13:21:46] <robotustra> of polymer concrete
[13:21:53] <miss0r> I would recommend the latter
[13:22:20] <fragalot> same
[13:22:30] <robotustra> first I have to build a draft, try it, disassemble and so on
[13:22:30] <miss0r> You can ask fragalot about it. He almost holds a doctors degree in this stuff by now
[13:22:39] <fragalot> xD
[13:22:56] <miss0r> I said _almost_ !! now get down from there
[13:23:06] <fragalot> It's 38°C outside right now >.> not a good weekend to even consider casting anything lol
[13:23:07] <robotustra> and the hollow tubes can sing the song too
[13:23:39] <miss0r> robotustra: That is what I was talking about when saying box sections
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[13:23:56] <beachbumpete1> jthornton: sorry man yeah the printer I bought is a TronXY X5S 400mm I bought as a kit.
[13:23:59] <sealive> hi im back
[13:24:10] <miss0r> fragalot: throw a few icecubes in the mold prior to casting. :D
[13:24:14] <sealive> oil on road no water needed
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[13:31:16] <robotustra> use sun driven fourge
[13:31:26] <robotustra> with parabolic mirrors
[13:31:51] <robotustra> or parabolic mirror aided forge
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[14:25:54] <fragalot> >.> I may have just bought a Moai SLA printer
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[15:19:28] <CaptHindsight> https://cdn.shopify.com
[15:20:17] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: easy to convert to LCNC if you don't like its setup
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[15:27:41] <srk> where's f-theta lens?
[15:28:39] <CaptHindsight> doesn't use one
[15:29:02] <srk> "Looking for high-resolution 3D printing without high price?"
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[15:29:27] <srk> no quite high res :D
[15:29:47] <srk> 70-micron laser spot - in the middle, yeah, but what about the sides
[15:30:03] <CaptHindsight> doesn't matter that much
[15:30:16] <srk> depends on the build volume
[15:30:32] <srk> even form1 had this issue
[15:30:35] <CaptHindsight> look at the throw distance and the print area
[15:31:46] <srk> I want to try motorized focusing instead of f-theta but I'm noob with optics - not sure where to buy correct lens
[15:32:27] <CaptHindsight> not really an issue, mentioning the laser spot size is like saying a mill can hold cutting tools as small as 100um
[15:33:31] <srk> hope so :)
[15:34:21] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: I might bug you when I get it.. LT is quite long :P
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[15:40:52] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: there's not much to them, I'd be interested to find out if the galvo amps are analog inputs or serial
[15:45:53] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: remind me to report back on that :P
[15:47:21] <gregcnc_> SLS camp stove https://www.ethz.ch
[15:48:29] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: have you ever tried ceramics with SLA?
[15:48:45] <fragalot> gregcnc_: so.. a kelly kettle?
[15:49:04] <fragalot> only fancier
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[15:49:20] <gregcnc_> I'm guessing kiloeuro kettle
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[15:54:13] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: in more ways than one
[15:55:34] <CaptHindsight> that stove can only be made by 3d printing :)
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[16:37:50] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:40:07] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: wrong. It can also be made using lost wax casting, or resin casting & wax
[16:48:11] <XXCoder> what can be cast by those?
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[16:48:42] <fragalot> many things
[16:49:09] <fragalot> syyl: I am amazed by that slotting cut on yourf RF45.. I'd have called you crazy for even trying, let alone succeeding xD
[16:49:11] <XXCoder> ah ok. im missing some of what was being talked about lol
[16:49:41] <fragalot> XXCoder: https://www.ethz.ch
[16:50:13] <XXCoder> nice
[16:50:20] <XXCoder> looks like it forms a votex inside
[16:50:26] <fragalot> it's basically a fancy version of a kelly kettle
[16:50:45] <XXCoder> "Venturi nozzles" of course
[16:51:41] <XXCoder> I wonder a little, what would happen if we took that model and put it mutate and evolve program
[16:51:55] <XXCoder> maybe it can extract way more heat into something being cooked
[16:53:25] <fragalot> I'd hope that the uni already did something similar
[16:53:35] <fragalot> rather than going by wild guesses :P
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[17:29:04] <jthornton> whew long day finally over with
[17:29:22] <XXCoder> yay
[17:29:31] <jthornton> hazzy-dev: have you seen this? https://github.com
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[17:31:41] <jthornton> yea been pulling my hair out all day trying to connect a HMI to a PLC lol
[17:32:24] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: No, that looks like a good reference
[17:32:27] <hazzy-lab> thanks!
[17:32:54] <hazzy-lab> Oh boy, what are you working on with the PLC?
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[18:05:29] <jdh> an hmi.
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[18:10:57] <JT-Shop> adding a HMI to a machine at the industrial park it has an old Micrologix 1500 PLC
[18:11:53] * JT-Shop goes back to chilling with my peeps
[18:13:21] <XXCoder> knew it would happen evenually. https://youtu.be lol
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[18:13:57] <XXCoder> hey andypugh
[18:14:13] <andypugh> Hai
[18:14:22] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: That sounds pretty good!
[18:14:39] <XXCoder> I was wondering. thanks hazzy-lab lol
[18:14:58] <XXCoder> not by me though, I wouldnt make something like that even if I can
[18:15:05] <hazzy-lab> your very welcome :)
[18:15:22] <hazzy-lab> servos are a bit noisy, but other than that very good
[18:16:09] <XXCoder> I wonder if its possible to setup it so any music can be fed to it and it can do best approxations it can fo]
[18:16:42] <hazzy-lab> probably could feed it MIDI
[18:16:54] <hazzy-lab> that is really easy for something like that
[18:16:58] <XXCoder> lol that'd be less of a challenge but yeah
[18:17:16] <XXCoder> andypugh: if missed: https://youtu.be
[18:18:18] <andypugh> RC servos seem to me to lack finesse
[18:19:09] <hazzy-lab> somebody needs to make a harpsichord like that :D
[18:19:42] <andypugh> Are you watching: https://www.youtube.com
[18:20:06] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: we were joking about this https://www.ethz.ch
[18:20:19] <XXCoder> ya saw that
[18:20:37] <XXCoder> andypugh: ohh I love marble machines
[18:21:40] <CaptHindsight> what will happen when all the musicians are replaced by robots?
[18:22:12] <XXCoder> that wont happen. sure there will be robot musicians but total replacement? nah
[18:22:37] <CaptHindsight> will they play to robot audiences?
[18:22:43] <andypugh> XXCoder: It’s the giy who made this one, https://www.youtube.com trying to engineer it properly. And the good thing is that he is _primarily_ a musician.
[18:22:52] <XXCoder> some of em will be robot yeah
[18:23:00] <robotustra> how to make sure that 5i25 is up?
[18:23:19] <robotustra> what is device id?
[18:23:22] <XXCoder> "AI" wait till we have true MI - machine intelligence.
[18:23:32] <CaptHindsight> or dancers? https://youtu.be
[18:23:49] <XXCoder> andypugh: interesting! it makes music with balls fcalling?
[18:24:23] <XXCoder> it does. interesting
[18:25:11] <XXCoder> while I cant enjoy music, the look of it is awesome!
[18:25:33] <andypugh> Ah, yes, you are probably not best equipped to appreciate it.
[18:26:17] <XXCoder> LOL animated logo
[18:26:49] <CaptHindsight> back in the day variety shows always had something like this on
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[18:31:43] <robotustra> can I reconfigure mesa card as many times as I want?
[18:32:10] <CaptHindsight> 1000 of times
[18:32:15] <andypugh> 5i25 no, only a few thousand times I think
[18:32:28] <CaptHindsight> forget the series they use. might be >100K's
[18:32:47] <robotustra> beware, I don't undestand jokes when it refers to real hardware :)
[18:33:17] <CaptHindsight> is it the FPGA or the eprom that wears out?
[18:33:23] <robotustra> what is the "common" pin config?
[18:33:30] <andypugh> Not a joke, you can progtam the eeprom a few thousand times.
[18:33:38] <robotustra> ok
[18:34:05] <robotustra> I mean I just connected a set of 5i25-7i76
[18:34:06] <andypugh> The cards without eeprom (5i20, 5i23) get programmed every time by LinuxCNC so (I guess) have infinite programming life.
[18:34:12] <robotustra> and started a wizard
[18:34:36] <robotustra> I don't have any motor or other stuff connected yet
[18:34:43] <andypugh> Oh, you can change the config as many times as you like. You just can only use Mesaflash to change the firmware a few thousand times.
[18:35:30] <robotustra> every time I change the config I overwrite eeprom?
[18:35:51] <andypugh> No, only if you flash new firmware with Mesaflash.
[18:37:35] <robotustra> is there any preset for TB2 and TB3 connectors already?
[18:41:05] <andypugh> The 5i25 will have been supplied with a default firmware. Probably 7i76
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[18:43:30] <andypugh> If you want to check it our with a minimum of config, open a terminal then:
[18:43:32] <andypugh> halrin
[18:43:44] <`Wolf> hazzy-lab: what size VFD are you paring with that motor
[18:43:52] <andypugh> then halrun (because that is how it should be spelled)
[18:43:58] <andypugh> loadrt hostmot2
[18:44:03] <andypugh> loadrt hm2_pci
[18:44:11] <andypugh> show pin
[18:44:18] <robotustra> where to designate a stepper or pwm signals for axii?
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[18:44:25] <andypugh> That’s all your HAL pins. If you see some, then the 5i25 is working.
[18:44:36] <andypugh> exit
[18:44:37] <andypugh> dmesg
[18:44:47] <andypugh> At the end is a list of what pin is what.
[18:44:49] <robotustra> ok
[18:44:52] <robotustra> I'll try
[18:45:03] <Kevin`> the config *on* the card just defines how many stepper pins or pwm signals or whatever exist and which pins they exist on
[18:45:51] <Kevin`> I had to change that a grand total of once cuz I wanted a pwm output for a laser and none of the stock configs was completely right
[18:46:19] <XXCoder> andypugh: congats!!
[18:46:29] <XXCoder> you got writeup on hackaday. banner even
[18:46:43] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.com
[18:47:07] <robotustra> andypugh, cool it's alive
[18:47:11] <andypugh> I might be cheating, I know one of the editors :-)
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[18:47:23] <robotustra> thanks
[18:47:27] <XXCoder> lol. though one of led segements dont work
[18:47:38] <XXCoder> in such way that 9 would look like 5
[18:48:12] <`Wolf> well, we now know XXCoder didn’t read the whole writeup =P
[18:48:25] <XXCoder> just started reading havent finished lol
[18:48:44] <XXCoder> I noticed it when video was relased bit ago
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[18:52:29] <`Wolf> I wonder if this VFD is a knock off
[18:53:09] <`Wolf> one I got from eBay, has a HY01D523B sticker on it
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[18:53:49] <andypugh> Some eBay ads for real HY have pictures of how to spot fake HY
[18:54:08] <andypugh> (Unless those are the faks, trying to throw us off the scent)
[18:54:24] <`Wolf> lol
[18:54:28] <CaptHindsight> fake fakes
[18:54:36] <`Wolf> its was under $70 so probably fake
[18:54:54] <`Wolf> now to see if it will spin up a motor at least
[18:55:00] <XXCoder> "uhph ours is too blue plastic, looks fake. what do we do?" "say that this is real and list blueness as proof of real copy"
[18:55:49] <CaptHindsight> no true Scotsman or VFD's
[18:57:26] <`Wolf> my flex shaft tool showed up today as well, turned out to have square shaft so most of the foredom hand pieces won’t fit it =/
[18:57:28] <XXCoder> NICE! https://www.instructables.com
[18:57:38] <Kevin`> `Wolf: open it, look at assembly quality, fix assembly problems, use until broken
[18:57:48] <XXCoder> that is awesome. if it was nook I'd do it with my useless dead battery nook
[18:58:01] <`Wolf> the smd in it all look like smd…
[18:59:20] <XXCoder> https://www.theguardian.com quote for each minute in day
[19:00:11] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: I don't have a VFD yet, thinking about maybe trying to use a STMBL ...
[19:00:54] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: can STMBL drive a 3ph induction motor?
[19:01:00] <andypugh> There are a lot of nice ideas on that Instructables clock competition. I think I will probably get a prize, but maybe not the top prize.
[19:01:13] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: Apparently so. Rene has done it.
[19:01:13] <hazzy-lab> I know rene is running his haas spindle with STMBL ...
[19:01:21] <hazzy-lab> Hurray!
[19:01:34] <XXCoder> andypugh: hope so! yours look awesome. havent seen any other though lol
[19:01:36] <hazzy-lab> I did not know if that was a 3ph or some HF spindle motor
[19:02:17] <gregcnc_> I have used ebay VFDs, AB, Emerson, and recently an Eaton.
[19:03:14] <`Wolf> if I was running this stuff all day every day I would be getting name brand VFD
[19:03:20] <andypugh> XXCoder: https://www.instructables.com is the full list. Some are really rather cool. I like the hard-drive one.
[19:03:21] <gregcnc_> cheap, under 100each iirc
[19:03:30] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: I have had very good luck with the Automation Direct VFDs, I highly recommend them
[19:03:30] <hazzy-lab> (disclaimer, they are right around the block from me :) )
[19:03:34] <XXCoder> looking. thanks
[19:03:49] <XXCoder> lol clock I linked to is one of contest ones
[19:03:50] <andypugh> One advantage of the STMBL over most VFDs is that it is very compact.
[19:04:16] <gregcnc_> how much are the stmbl kits?
[19:04:29] <andypugh> Priceless, unfortunately.
[19:04:30] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: that is the main reason I want to use it, my cabinet is very crammed already
[19:05:23] <XXCoder> eink, your clock, nixon one, and cubes one is best ones I see
[19:05:23] <gregcnc_> all gone?
[19:05:25] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: but I guess the STMBL needs a suitable rectifier and filter caps, which take up some room ..
[19:05:34] <XXCoder> frankly yours shines a lot
[19:05:40] <andypugh> But ask on the stmbl IRC on irc.hackint.eu or https://gitter.im as I think that ther might be a batch on the way using the last of the world supply of IRAM256 chips.
[19:06:03] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: I found 56 more irams
[19:06:09] <XXCoder> odd your clock isnt in list?
[19:06:13] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com
[19:06:18] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: You can skip the filter caps for many motors. The internal ones work OK up to about 1kW.
[19:06:49] <`Wolf> lets see if anyone knows what that is
[19:06:49] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: I was wondering about that, fantastic!
[19:07:06] <hazzy-lab> could also exchange them for slightly larger caps ..
[19:07:10] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: Are they the A2 variant?
[19:07:24] <hazzy-lab> not sure, checking
[19:07:38] <andypugh> ‘Wolf__ Looks like the beginnings of a pneumatic power drawbar
[19:08:10] <`Wolf> nope, runs off a foredom type flex shaft
[19:08:35] <andypugh> Ah, in that case it is an FPH 611
[19:08:44] <`Wolf> lol
[19:08:54] <`Wolf> die filer
[19:08:56] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: IRAM256-2067A
[19:09:01] <hazzy-lab> is that correct?
[19:09:08] <hazzy-lab> 76 of them in stock now
[19:09:09] <andypugh> No, you want A2
[19:09:31] <andypugh> Small difference in part number, big difference in the shape of the pins.
[19:09:37] <hazzy-lab> ah, knew it muts be too good to be true
[19:09:42] <andypugh> (In theory you can extend and re-form the pins)
[19:09:52] <hazzy-lab> yeah, not 90deg pins
[19:09:54] <`Wolf> is it smaller?
[19:09:59] <hazzy-lab> hmm
[19:10:16] <hazzy-lab> they are only $20 a pop, might be worth the effort ..
[19:10:59] <`Wolf> I haven’t looked at the design but maybe make a edge solder board to adapt it?
[19:10:59] <hazzy-lab> https://www.arrow.com
[19:11:17] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: seems like it might be worth it
[19:11:50] <hazzy-lab> can't get the proper heat sinks for the other ones here in the US either, so have to do some modifying already
[19:12:09] <hazzy-lab> anyway*
[19:12:15] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: Try Octopart.
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[19:12:48] <andypugh> hazzy-lab: Don’t you already have some STMBL drives?
[19:13:05] <hazzy-lab> I did (several months ago), they were only in the EU and UK, and shipping was outrageous
[19:13:35] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: Yes, only two though, and I need about 8, lol
[19:14:17] <andypugh> There will, eventually, be a new design. Probably using generig TO22 parts so this doesn’t happen again.
[19:15:18] <`Wolf> hmm pin out is the same, just different mounting?
[19:15:19] <hazzy-lab> yes, that might actually be better anyway, then it would be easy to scale them up (or down) to more closely meet the needs of the motor
[19:15:46] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: looks like it
[19:17:01] <`Wolf> maybe not, just means it would mount to the wrong side of the board tho
[19:18:01] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: https://matrix.org
[19:18:21] * hazzy-lab should look at the actual pinout
[19:18:32] <`Wolf> look at pin 1 vs pin 2
[19:19:16] <`Wolf> https://media.digikey.com has both package layouts
[19:20:27] <hazzy-lab> looks the like the same pinout in the datasheet
[19:21:11] <`Wolf> mirrored
[19:21:53] <`Wolf> I think…
[19:25:00] <`Wolf> either way it would work with a through hole board if the pinout is mirrored, just need to mount the chip on the other side of the board if it is
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[19:36:12] <andypugh> https://files.gitter.im
[19:43:45] <`Wolf> guess that means the A spec works
[19:46:27] <andypugh> I don’t know. I have only seen the picture and don’t know if the result moved motors
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[20:18:13] <robotustra> and how I can test 7i76?
[20:18:22] <robotustra> how to bling leds on it?
[20:18:46] <robotustra> do I have to make a config
[20:18:47] <robotustra> ?
[20:19:02] <andypugh> To make things happen with the cards you need to start realtime threads.
[20:19:14] <andypugh> Are you stll in halrun?
[20:19:33] <robotustra> I can run it again
[20:19:53] <andypugh> OK, all the same as before, but don’t exit.
[20:19:59] <andypugh> loadrt threads
[20:20:14] <andypugh> addf hm2_5i25.0 read thread1
[20:20:28] <andypugh> addf hm2_5i25.write thread1
[20:20:31] <andypugh> start
[20:21:11] <andypugh> (you can use tab-completion, these are actually about 5 keystrokes each, and no danger of miss-spelling)
[20:21:54] <andypugh> And I see at least one typo that tab-completion will save you from
[20:22:01] <robotustra> I did addf hm2_5i25.0.read thread1
[20:22:21] <andypugh> OK the cards should now be live
[20:22:33] <andypugh> show pin *led*
[20:22:36] <robotustra> nothing is blinking
[20:22:49] <XXCoder> is there auto-complete HAL editor?
[20:23:07] <robotustra> do I have it from root?
[20:23:09] <andypugh> XXCoder: Only halrun in a live system
[20:23:20] <`Wolf> hazzy-lab: this motor is sweet, no odd noises at all running it up to 180hz
[20:23:31] <andypugh> robotustra: no, you don’t need root
[20:23:48] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:24:01] <andypugh> robotustra: If you don’t get error messages, it is working
[20:24:19] <robotustra> 5 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i25.0.led.CR01
[20:24:42] <andypugh> setp hm2_5i25.0.led.CR01 1
[20:24:52] <robotustra> 5 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i25.0.led.CR2
[20:24:56] <robotustra> CR02
[20:24:57] <andypugh> should turn on an LED
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[20:25:02] <robotustra> 1 sec
[20:25:51] <robotustra> nothing
[20:26:10] <robotustra> do I have to set some jumpers?
[20:26:15] <andypugh> No.
[20:26:19] <robotustra> how to test 5V on the board?
[20:26:31] <andypugh> You can see the pins
[20:26:35] <andypugh> it’s working
[20:27:20] <andypugh> did you actually addf the write function and did you actually type “start” to start the real-time threads?
[20:28:02] <robotustra> CR1 led on the board is not leat
[20:28:04] <hazzy-dev> `Wolf: Awesome! That's 5400rpm, sweet!
[20:28:16] <hazzy-dev> I can't wait to get mine running
[20:28:48] <andypugh> robotustra: What does “show funct” show?
[20:28:49] <`Wolf> yeah, I need to walk back the settings on the VFD lol
[20:29:04] <robotustra> I did addf hm2_5i25.0.write thread1
[20:29:10] <`Wolf> but no ear cancer type whine out of it
[20:29:25] <andypugh> Did you “start” though?
[20:30:17] <robotustra> 1 sec I'll start irc on the second machine to copypaste output
[20:31:17] * hazzy-dev goes to the shop to find a VFD to steal for testing
[20:31:46] <robotustra> halcmd: show funct
[20:31:46] <robotustra> Exported Functions:
[20:31:46] <robotustra> Owner CodeAddr Arg FP Users Name
[20:31:46] <robotustra> 00005 f926f890 f6aeb000 YES 1 hm2_5i25.0.read
[20:31:46] <robotustra> 00005 f926f500 f6aeb000 YES 0 hm2_5i25.0.read_gpio
[20:31:48] <robotustra> 00005 f926f760 f6aeb000 YES 1 hm2_5i25.0.write
[20:31:51] <robotustra> 00005 f926f730 f6aeb000 YES 0 hm2_5i25.0.write_gpio
[20:32:03] <andypugh> show thread
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[20:32:26] <robotustra> halcmd: show thread
[20:32:26] <robotustra> Realtime Threads:
[20:32:26] <robotustra> Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
[20:32:26] <robotustra> 999871 YES thread1 ( 124439, 182258 )
[20:32:26] <robotustra> 1 hm2_5i25.0.read
[20:32:28] <robotustra> 2 hm2_5i25.0.write
[20:32:39] <andypugh> Hmm.
[20:32:44] <andypugh> That seems OK
[20:32:52] <`Wolf> hazzy-dev: https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[20:33:03] <andypugh> Try setp the other LED pins to 1?
[20:33:13] <robotustra> 1 sec
[20:33:49] <robotustra> nothing, may by there is no 5 V on LEDS?
[20:34:33] <andypugh> Where are you looking?
[20:34:45] <andypugh> These LEDs are on the 5i25
[20:35:49] <robotustra> ah, I'm looking at 7i76
[20:35:53] <robotustra> :)
[20:36:26] <robotustra> 1 sec I'll open the body
[20:37:03] <robotustra> works
[20:37:06] <robotustra> both leds
[20:37:16] <andypugh> Great
[20:37:37] <andypugh> I am not sure how to tell that the 7i76 is working
[20:38:19] <andypugh> halcmd show pin *7i76* will not show GPIO if the 7i76 field-power is not on.
[20:38:55] <robotustra> what is field-power? external power supply?
[20:39:38] <`Wolf> external power for 24v switches and whatnot
[20:39:41] <andypugh> It’s the 5 / 12 / 24V that you are using for the sensors and switches.
[20:40:16] <robotustra> what pins it should be connected?
[20:41:04] <andypugh> Not sure, but it’s all in 7i76man.pdf
[20:41:24] <robotustra> ok, I'll read it
[20:42:04] <robotustra> if I'll connect 12V to these pins the command in halcmd will show 7i76 pins?
[20:42:32] <andypugh> Yes, but you need to start again from the beginning.
[20:42:57] <robotustra> it's clear
[20:43:29] <robotustra> and I can set leds on the 7i76 too ?
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[20:43:53] <andypugh> I don’t know if there are any
[20:44:23] <andypugh> But you can setp the gpio and measure with a multimeter
[20:44:54] <robotustra> there is a CR1 led at least
[20:45:18] <andypugh> OK, then you probably can setp that.
[20:45:20] <robotustra> may it shows 5V only
[20:45:26] <robotustra> may be
[20:46:05] <robotustra> ok, I'll read man first
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[20:50:38] <robotustra> andypugh, thank a lot
[20:51:00] <robotustra> at least 5i25 is working
[20:51:38] <andypugh> One last thing, when you have field power do a “show pin” and “show paam” and paste those in to a text file for futire reference.
[20:51:55] <andypugh> Sorry, show param
[20:54:07] <robotustra> ok I saved them,
[20:54:20] <robotustra> is it pins I can trigger from linuxcnc?
[20:54:54] <andypugh> You won’t see the fulll set until you apply field power to the 7i76
[20:55:11] <robotustra> ok
[20:55:38] <andypugh> But yes, thiose are the pins and params that you can use i n your HAL file to do whatever you want to do.
[20:55:45] <robotustra> can be the power supply have the commin GDN with the computer?
[20:55:54] <andypugh> Yes.
[20:55:55] <robotustra> GND
[20:56:00] <robotustra> ok
[20:56:25] <andypugh> It’s optional for that to be the case, but sometimes unavoidable.
[20:56:43] <robotustra> thanks
[20:56:48] <robotustra> I read manual
[20:57:16] <andypugh> It’s _probably_ better if they are not the same GND, bui generally something in the system will tie them together.
[20:58:15] <andypugh> And, in that situation, it’s best to tie them hard together with a real wire, rather than some active leak path in a swithmode PSU or sensor.
[20:58:40] <robotustra> ok
[20:58:57] <robotustra> I don't have any wiring yet
[20:59:20] <robotustra> after I'll put wire everything good
[21:00:21] <robotustra> there is a connector called field power
[21:01:43] <XXCoder> okay this is weird lol http://www.cracked.com
[21:03:57] <jesseg> howdy folks
[21:04:09] <XXCoder> yo
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[21:08:27] <R2E4> evening morning afternoon
[21:08:40] <robotustra> night
[21:08:58] <robotustra> modemcable
[21:09:03] <robotustra> videotron
[21:09:06] <robotustra> montreal
[21:09:12] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, hey if you get a few minutes I have a huge favor to ask, but it's not urgent :D Something odd inside my mill's upper head I'm trying to understand. Looks like the driven variator shaft is a quarter of an inch too short LOL. If and when you give me the go ahead, I'll provide page numbers, link to manual, and item number and explain, oh and I'll post a pic of the strange wear pattern as well.
[21:09:13] <robotustra> he he
[21:09:14] <andypugh> 2am here. In between morning and night
[21:09:38] <robotustra> R2E4, I'm from mtl too
[21:10:08] <robotustra> or you are not from montreal?
[21:13:51] <robotustra> yeah, R2E4 is from montreal :)
[21:18:42] <robotustra> how to determine an encoder mode? if it TTL or in differential mode?
[21:19:22] <robotustra> and there are PNP and NPN encoders, is it refers to polarity?
[21:21:42] <jesseg> haha... Both the bearings in my spindle motor are SKF -- but one's made in Malaysia and the other is made in Framce. The Malaysian bearing is the one that's bad, of course it's also the front bearing so it takes a tonna side force.
[21:23:57] <XXCoder> beard it up. https://video.twimg.com
[21:24:28] <XXCoder> mission impossible allright...
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[21:40:23] <jesseg> naptime
[21:40:46] <XXCoder> mission: impossible naptime
[21:42:11] <andypugh> Bah! Instructables Clock Contest finalists are listed, and I didn’t make the cut :-(
[21:42:32] <XXCoder> I wondered if you saw what I said before, guess not.
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[21:42:45] <XXCoder> but yeah drat. I think yours is one of top 4!
[21:43:06] <andypugh> I am upset to lose to https://www.instructables.com i
[21:43:29] <XXCoder> yeah thats bottom 4 to me
[21:43:41] <XXCoder> I mean, it does look cool but its just material design
[21:43:49] <XXCoder> not creative clock at all.
[21:43:54] <andypugh> My base is better woodwork than that!
[21:44:53] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: just saw your message, I have to go shortly but will be back in about 2hrs
[21:45:27] <andypugh> Now, in fairness, it’s about the quality of the Instructable, not the clock, but that’s a pretty poor instructabke too.
[21:46:23] <robotustra> she could grind scates to dust and then glue it again
[21:47:15] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: what??? That won? WTH that is not even close to the same level as yours
[21:47:49] <XXCoder> hazzy-lab: finalist yes
[21:47:56] <XXCoder> one of 24
[21:48:11] <robotustra> andypugh, what was your project?
[21:48:25] <XXCoder> certainly noit skateboard one heh
[21:48:38] <robotustra> this one?
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[21:49:20] <robotustra> that's why I never participate in contests
[21:49:34] <robotustra> to not upset muself
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[21:51:10] <hazzy-lab> in general those clocks are pretty underwhelming
[21:51:14] <andypugh> robotustra: This was mine: https://www.instructables.com
[21:51:30] <robotustra> take a piece of wood, drill the hole in the middle -> win
[21:51:45] <XXCoder> robotustra: to be fair guy did more than that
[21:51:55] <XXCoder> its slices of skateboards
[21:52:08] <XXCoder> its still plain clock though
[21:52:40] <robotustra> nice 3d space clock
[21:52:51] <XXCoder> thw 2 cubes one?
[21:52:51] <robotustra> but looks fragile
[21:53:08] <robotustra> I'm more into violins
[21:54:21] <robotustra> my woodworking usually looks like this: https://imgur.com
[21:54:38] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:54:52] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[21:55:03] <XXCoder> I might cnc up something for hell of it. looks, not actual music making, and give it away
[21:55:19] <XXCoder> just for challenge, very complex shapes
[21:56:23] <robotustra> before to start cnc lathe I did some workbenches from old stools
[21:56:26] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[21:57:13] <hazzy-lab> I have not done much with wood in a long time, but if it's show and tell time: https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com
[21:58:05] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: That looks like a very nice solid bench!
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[21:58:36] <robotustra> is it your sofa project?
[21:58:43] <hazzy-lab> yes
[21:59:02] <hazzy-lab> I never finished it though ..
[21:59:19] <`Wolf> looks small
[21:59:33] <hazzy-lab> yes, it is about 8" long
[21:59:35] <hazzy-lab> lol
[21:59:37] <robotustra> it turns out that I'va already built about 5 workbenches,
[21:59:39] <hazzy-lab> it is just a mock up
[22:00:02] <robotustra> and 2 of them in canada :)
[22:00:08] <`Wolf> I know wood working somewhat, but not really my thing so I trade work with a friend of mine
[22:00:20] <flyback> STUPID CANUCKS
[22:00:24] <flyback> STUPID CANUCKS
[22:00:28] <hazzy-lab> lol
[22:01:10] <`Wolf> like this big ass thing https://i.imgur.com
[22:01:11] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: yeah, I have been out of wood working for several years
[22:01:22] <hazzy-lab> I guess since 2011
[22:01:59] <hazzy-lab> if I work wood these days it is mostly for making foundry pattern
[22:02:23] <hazzy-lab> `Wolf: Nice!
[22:02:28] <robotustra> my violin https://ic.pics.livejournal.com 2007
[22:02:31] <`Wolf> I do have some more cabinet work to do, I might get stuck doing it myself
[22:02:47] <hazzy-lab> nice reloading station
[22:03:07] <`Wolf> =) thanks
[22:03:16] <`Wolf> its too small lol
[22:03:34] <hazzy-lab> make an automated one!
[22:03:52] <`Wolf> problem is I have 4 presses on the bench
[22:03:53] <robotustra> no, my reloading station is really small :)
[22:04:19] <robotustra> my the only press occupy the corner of the table :)
[22:06:20] <robotustra> fast cabinet for cnc mill https://imgur.com
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[22:07:45] <`Wolf> nice
[22:07:46] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, you have to finish this sofa
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[22:08:29] <`Wolf> my next need to do project is new frame under my lathe w/ some drawers to store stuff… like 300 files
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[22:09:19] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, very good woodworking
[22:09:20] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: yes, I do need to finish it. We could use it, our current sofa is on it's last legs
[22:09:26] <hazzy-lab> Thank you!
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[22:10:11] <robotustra> I'm telling you as a pro, because I have an education in woodworking and I'm a hobby violinmaker who did 14 violins
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[22:10:54] <robotustra> actually I did a restorations of school violins too for a about 10 years
[22:11:15] <andypugh> I do woodwork too. http://bodgesoc.blogspot.com
[22:11:34] <robotustra> but after moving to canada I didn't have a chance to make violins
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[22:12:12] <Tom_L> must be the weekend if andy's still here
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[22:12:23] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: violins are one of the hardest instruments to make
[22:12:24] <R2E4> Well, the Z is done on the plasma..... https://www.youtube.com
[22:12:43] <robotustra> andypugh, are you that guy who had built this lathe?
[22:12:49] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: you must have a good ear and hand
[22:13:13] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: You fumed it! Always wanted to try that
[22:13:37] <robotustra> yeah, I have good year for music, not absolute hearing but close to it
[22:14:01] <andypugh> There are two pieces of wood in this photos that were there when my parents bought the house: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[22:14:35] <robotustra> it looks like oak or ache
[22:14:45] <robotustra> it's oak
[22:14:47] <Tom_L> who's in the kitchen?
[22:14:53] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: You might be interesting in my brothers site, he is a professional luthier: http://martinjacobson.com
[22:14:55] <andypugh> (We made the stairs, the doors, the table)
[22:15:01] <andypugh> The roof
[22:15:27] <andypugh> The chap in the kitchen is my brother in law
[22:16:00] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: very nice work!
[22:16:09] <Tom_L> yeah
[22:16:11] <andypugh> (My dad made the door hinges and catches)
[22:16:35] <robotustra> is it kind of banjo?
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[22:16:43] <andypugh> I made the stained-glass windows that you can’t see because it is night.
[22:16:50] <robotustra> or mandaline?
[22:17:27] <robotustra> mandoline
[22:17:34] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: not sure, he makes mandolins, banjos, and gatar
[22:17:38] <hazzy-lab> yes
[22:17:55] <hazzy-lab> and he has mad a few violins
[22:17:59] <robotustra> I was playing balalaika in my childhood
[22:18:06] <Tom_L> wonder how pete's coming on his guitar
[22:18:27] <robotustra> then made 3 electroguitars at highschool
[22:18:49] <robotustra> the quality were so so but they sounds more less ok
[22:18:58] <hazzy-lab> those are fun!
[22:19:06] <robotustra> and after uni I started to do violins
[22:19:07] <Tom_L> andypugh what type of wood are the rails?
[22:19:36] <robotustra> it's either oak or ache
[22:19:43] <robotustra> looks like oak
[22:20:08] <andypugh> I thing the bit of furniture I have made that turned out nost interesting was the stainless steel and leather laptop table. I really like the hidden underside: https://goo.gl
[22:20:11] <Tom_L> maybe, looks tighter grain than that
[22:21:14] <robotustra> hazzy-lab's woodworking is 5/5
[22:21:17] <andypugh> I only ever work with Quercus Alba (English Oak) :-)
[22:21:23] <robotustra> andypugh, 4.5/5
[22:21:42] <robotustra> :)
[22:21:48] <robotustra> joking
[22:21:53] <hazzy-lab> lol
[22:22:31] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, has more fine taste
[22:22:32] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: Oh, that lathe cabined catches my fancy!!
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[22:23:18] <Tom_L> you can see the stained glass there too
[22:23:27] <robotustra> actually you are giving me a challenge to make better ;0
[22:23:31] <robotustra> )
[22:23:51] <robotustra> but it will cost a fortune
[22:24:16] <robotustra> just a material for this bench will be around 500-600$
[22:24:19] <andypugh> It’s a replica of the orignals that thwy were (optiionally) delivered with. For $2000 in 1936. You might like to consider what else $2000 would buy you in 1936.
[22:24:46] <hazzy-lab> a house, almost nearly
[22:24:54] <hazzy-lab> neat!
[22:25:57] <robotustra> anyway, very nice job, I can imagine how hard to build such cabinet
[22:29:13] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: I can't find a good pic, but I built my shop in a kinda timber frame style. just regular cheap lumber, but i think it looks ok. I think I will build my house like this, when ever that happens :): https://i.imgur.com
[22:29:45] <hazzy-lab> just look at the ceiling
[22:30:13] <Tom_L> that your workplace?
[22:30:29] <hazzy-lab> yes, before it got filled up, lol
[22:30:31] <robotustra> looks like it is
[22:31:10] <robotustra> hm, I don't have money yet to get a house
[22:31:45] <robotustra> so just have to keep going in a man's cave
[22:32:01] <andypugh> A house made of wood? That won’t last! (My dad and I were a bit affected by the fact that the house we were working on had been there since 1450.
[22:32:38] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: it does not mater what kinda of space you have, its what you do in it. you do very good work for what you have!
[22:32:38] <Tom_L> had it been in your family?
[22:32:51] <robotustra> do you think people in 1450 could build good houses?
[22:33:12] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: this house is not made of wood even, it made of toothpicks
[22:33:32] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, thanks, hope I'll build this cnc and will build a humaniod robot as well
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[22:35:51] <andypugh> https://photos.app.goo.gl The big A-frame supporting the roof (technically a “cruck”) is original, as are the stone walls. The roof (other than the cruck) had fallen in when my parents bought the place and had to be replaced.
[22:35:59] <hazzy-lab> andypugh: didn't you mention once you were able to put the original slates back on? very few modern houses will last 100yrs at the out most
[22:36:44] <andypugh> We put _some_ of the original slates back. Many had been broken by the roof collapse
[22:37:09] <hazzy-lab> ok
[22:38:23] <andypugh> This dates back to 19k2 modems, when the web was young. But that room in that last photo is the roofless space in this photo: http://www.bodgesoc.org
[22:39:45] <andypugh> 1992 web-site, when a :Thumbnail” really was, and the full size image was baely bigger. http://www.bodgesoc.org
[22:41:19] <robotustra> it's a castle
[22:43:52] <robotustra> "many many years ago, when the bytes were bits..." I think fairy tails nowadays should start like so..
[22:43:58] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, sounds great, I'll be here when you return!
[22:45:01] <andypugh> During that project I learned a huge lesson from my dad. No matter how big a project is, if you start it, and don’t stop, eventually you will finish, The rwo of us did everything.
[22:45:56] <robotustra> confirm
[22:46:09] <`Wolf> thats my problem with my house, I stopped
[22:46:31] <robotustra> do a little every day
[22:46:46] <robotustra> if you can't do - think about it
[22:46:56] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[22:47:22] <robotustra> if you can't think about it - lay down in that direction.
[22:48:38] <`Wolf> same corner that we were cutting the floor beams out of https://i.imgur.com
[22:49:08] <robotustra> are yo remaking floors ?
[22:49:20] <andypugh> ‘Wolf__ Oooh! No! Not sure you want to take a chainsaw to that particular bit of wood :-)
[22:49:22] <`Wolf> everything but the corner beams and walls
[22:49:24] <robotustra> I mean ground floor-basement?
[22:49:53] <`Wolf> all of them, new joists on the 1st and 2nd floor
[22:51:19] <robotustra> is it called renovation?
[22:51:57] <`Wolf> called I should have torn the original house down and just built a new one on the property
[22:52:18] <andypugh> Our house was in some ways simpler. Stone walls 3’ thick built on the bedrock. In fact in the corner of the kitchen they have carved out the bedrock into a wall, the bottom 18” is natutal stone. So even without the wood, roof, floors, it was going nowhere.
[22:53:04] <robotustra> andypugh, it should be warm in the area you live
[22:53:08] <`Wolf> my kitchen had no stone wall under it, lazy fucks stopped after 3 feet from the original house foundation
[22:54:09] <robotustra> 3'?
[22:54:16] <robotustra> 90 cm&
[22:54:17] <robotustra> ?
[22:54:39] <`Wolf> yeah, like 6 stones then nothing, still beam laying on dirt
[22:54:50] <robotustra> as I told a mid age castle
[22:56:18] <`Wolf> I ended up jacking the whole back of the house up and pouring a footer under it
[22:57:34] <robotustra> andypugh, is this i UK?
[22:57:48] <robotustra> in*
[22:58:16] <`Wolf> my house is in the USA, 1820’s or earlier, 2’ thick stack stone foundation
[22:58:37] <`Wolf> 5’ deep cellar
[23:00:30] <robotustra> 5' is not enough
[23:00:53] <robotustra> dwarf's size
[23:01:48] <robotustra> hm, I have to think about base for new lathe too
[23:02:25] <`Wolf> its a cellar, only thing down there is my well pump, water system, water heater, hydronic floor heat zone control and the branch box for the split system heat/ac
[23:03:08] <andypugh> robotustra: Yes. UK A 1450 house in the US would be a national park :-)
[23:03:36] <robotustra> with dynasaurs
[23:06:14] <robotustra> UK is a place with no winter
[23:09:30] <`Wolf> jesseg: what bearing did you need? https://i.imgur.com lol
[23:10:42] <jesseg> `Wolf, is that your friend's huge bearing?
[23:11:02] <`Wolf> same guy, but look at the yellow trays
[23:11:20] <andypugh> robotustra: And, normally, no Summer. My job takes me to the Arctic in winter and Arizona in summer. I like that the UK is nice all year round.
[23:11:51] <Tom_L> do you like Arizona?
[23:11:53] <jesseg> `Wolf, that guy probably does have the bearings I need :P
[23:12:10] <Tom_L> not much there
[23:13:33] <`Wolf> jesseg: probably, I need to go talk to him sometime next week
[23:14:02] <jesseg> `Wolf, hey can I come with you? LOL (Joking of course..)
[23:14:12] <jesseg> I seriously need like 8 bearings for my head
[23:14:21] <`Wolf> get me some numbers
[23:15:39] <andypugh> Tom_L: Not really. I do like Rovaniemi, and I could not explain why, even to myself.
[23:16:33] <Tom_L> do you ever test in death valley?
[23:17:14] <jesseg> `Wolf, well I'm in USA, not sure I know where you are but here's the numbers:6010ZZ, 6011ZZ, 6007ZZ, 6908ZZ(x2), 6203ZZ(x2), 6205-2RS, 6207-2RS
[23:17:29] <`Wolf> I’m east coast usa
[23:17:38] <jesseg> ahh gotcha I'm west coast :P
[23:17:39] <andypugh> Tom_L: We don’t. Some other teams do,
[23:17:46] <XXCoder> so many here is east usa or germany lol
[23:17:55] <XXCoder> west side here
[23:17:59] <Tom_L> it's considered the hottest place on earth
[23:18:22] <andypugh> Only by Americans :-)
[23:18:44] <Tom_L> The world record highest air temperature of 134F (57C) was recorded at Furnace Creek on July 10, 1913.
[23:19:28] <Tom_L> iirc it's below sea level as well
[23:19:54] <`Wolf> jesseg: i’ll see what I can find =)
[23:20:13] <jesseg> `Wolf, anyway basically I can get those bearings for about $50 each from the mill manufacturer, and they are probably NSK that they would send me.. so it's not like I can't get them, although it would make my budget very pleased to get them for less :D :D
[23:20:25] <andypugh> https://www.livescience.com
[23:20:29] <robotustra> andypugh, I see you can build and cast any device from scratch?
[23:20:41] <robotustra> even from cast iron?
[23:20:56] <jesseg> `Wolf, and actually, a lot of these have rubber seals even though the parts manual just says shielded.. .
[23:22:08] <andypugh> robotustra: I don’t actually do any casting. I have dound that commercial foundries are surprisingly cheap
[23:22:40] <robotustra> but you did big molds 1:1 scale
[23:22:47] <andypugh> So I just send patterns and pay £50 or so a week later
[23:22:47] <`Wolf> I’ll see what he has there, I haven’t been over to his place in a year lol but I need to raid his stuff to see what he has laying around and I need a few things he has as well =)
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[23:23:08] <Tom_L> i won't quabble over a couple degrees... either place would be rather uncomfortale to be
[23:25:11] <andypugh> Tom_L: Lut desert had a surface temperature of 159F / 70C. You would not actually be able to touch the ground.
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[23:25:51] <andypugh> But there is no weather station there, because it is irrelevant
[23:26:29] <XXCoder> if thats that hot it would be great site for stirling generators
[23:27:42] <jesseg> `Wolf, I just checked and actually every one of those bearings should be lifetime sealed. or whatever LB means. There's no way to lubricate them once assembled, but I guess that's how Taiwanese spindle drive heads are from 20 years ago :D
[23:29:14] <robotustra> andypugh, are you restoring these machines for yourself or for sale?
[23:32:08] <`Wolf> jesseg: dunno, I’ll take a look, hopefully early in the week next week and see whats there, quick look shows some of whats showing in the pic are deep grove single shield
[23:32:43] <jesseg> Does single shield have one open side?
[23:32:49] <`Wolf> yup
[23:32:52] <jesseg> gotcha
[23:32:58] * hazzy-lab returns!
[23:33:18] <jesseg> yeah, with the variator belt making belt dust in there I suppose at least shielded, perhaps even sealed, would be best.
[23:33:24] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, welcome back!
[23:33:30] <hazzy-lab> ty
[23:33:40] <hazzy-lab> what so you have?
[23:34:16] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, also, I got my spindle motor all apart - the bearings were firm in the case - but the front bearing was worn but the rear bearing tight so there was no end play but the front bearing let the shaft swing back and forth LOL.
[23:35:22] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, andypugh's metal works is better than your woodworking ;-)
[23:35:34] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, OK so item number 45 on right-bottom of PDF page 47 (12-5) - the top of that tube shaft goes into bearing at top of case - but only half way in: https://www.atrump.com
[23:35:42] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: interesting. so the bearing just had that much slop? that is good, easy to replace a bearing!
[23:35:48] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, and here's my wear pattern: http://videoflier.com
[23:36:01] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: You have not seen my metal working ...
[23:36:02] <hazzy-lab> :D
[23:36:08] <hazzy-lab> just kidding
[23:36:13] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, yes that front bearing just had that much slop! Pulled them, will order new ones.
[23:36:26] <jesseg> Had to use bearing press to press bearings out of motor case so that's good :D
[23:36:32] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, true
[23:36:46] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com
[23:36:56] <hazzy-lab> some of it, old stuff
[23:37:29] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: ouch! that is some serious wear!
[23:38:18] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, yes.. well I guess having a shaft only half way in the bearing is going to tend to do that -- and it's supporting the side force of the variator belt too.
[23:38:19] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, is it cast aluminum or iron?
[23:38:29] <jesseg> aluminum :D
[23:38:31] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: al
[23:39:02] <jesseg> super sweet aluminum casting projects there hazzy-dev
[23:39:18] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: thanks
[23:39:24] <robotustra> paper scale indexer..
[23:39:40] <jesseg> when I grow up that's what I want to do is cast parts like that :P
[23:39:45] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: it was for making wooden clock gears
[23:39:56] <hazzy-lab> haha
[23:40:08] <hazzy-lab> that is what I had time to do before I grew up
[23:40:12] <hazzy-lab> :P
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[23:40:17] <jesseg> aint that the truth
[23:40:48] <jesseg> by that I only mean that when we get really into living our lives there's little time to do what we really want to do :P
[23:41:29] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, what do you use? green sand? how do you degase al? any salt?
[23:42:15] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: right
[23:42:19] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, so what do you think about my strange wear problem, or more specifically, why does that shaft only go half way into the bearing? Think there's a wrong shaft or a wrong case put into this?
[23:42:46] <XXCoder> thefordboy often shwos degassing Al when hes casting stuff
[23:42:50] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: Yes, regular play sand with some bentonite clay added. no degassing
[23:43:05] <XXCoder> he also uses flux to protect alum from oxygen
[23:43:07] <jesseg> Isn't bentonite like kitty litter?
[23:43:14] <hazzy-lab> yes!
[23:43:23] <jesseg> cool!
[23:43:30] <robotustra> I that casting is too clean
[23:43:47] * hazzy-lab looks are the parts diagram
[23:44:25] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, it's the shaft that supports the two driven variator shiv pulley halves.
[23:44:51] <robotustra> I'm not there yet, I'd got my first serious machine in 2011 only
[23:45:13] <XXCoder> love that countweight wheel
[23:45:16] <XXCoder> looks great
[23:45:56] <robotustra> as soon as he good in woodworking hazzy-lab can do great models for castings
[23:46:35] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: that shaft runs in ball bearings, right?
[23:47:29] <jesseg> hazzy-lab, yes there's a ball bearing at the bottom which is shown on that page, then there's the half-inserted ball bearing at the top on the next page -- the one that is worn funny is the bearing right at the top where you put on the wrench to tighten the drawbar.
[23:47:36] <robotustra> isn't that cool? https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com
[23:47:57] <jesseg> absolutely
[23:48:36] <XXCoder> cnc machined mold or?
[23:48:50] <XXCoder> or cnc machined copy of it for green sand
[23:48:54] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: I am thinking that that bearing must have siezed up to get that kind of wear
[23:49:23] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: no, hand cut with a fret saw
[23:49:38] <hazzy-lab> back then I had time for that kinda thing :)
[23:49:49] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:50:00] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, the bearing seems fine. it's just that the shaft was only half way into the bearing.
[23:50:07] <robotustra> hazzy-lab, 5/5
[23:50:56] <robotustra> both hands are right
[23:51:32] <hazzy-lab> robotustra: I used to let my students come over and cast those tittle flywheels, they had a blast
[23:51:40] <hazzy-lab> that was one of theirs
[23:51:58] <robotustra> look at these tables https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com
[23:52:09] <robotustra> both wooden and metal
[23:52:36] <jesseg> hazzy-lab, in person, the wear just looks like the bearing has been lose and walking on the surface for a long time. THere's no discoloration of heat. I'm guessing either the wrong end plate bearing holder got put on, or a short shaft got put in.
[23:52:43] <`Wolf> jesseg: whats the link to the exploded view again?
[23:53:12] <jesseg> `Wolf, OK so item number 45 on right-bottom of PDF page 47 (12-5) - the top of that tube shaft goes into bearing at top of case - but only half way in: https://www.atrump.com
[23:54:13] <hazzy-lab> my guess is maybe some unfavorable tolerance stack up, a short shaft, in a tall casting ..
[23:54:28] <robotustra> hmm... I have to buy a house... I have to buy a house... I have to buy a house...
[23:54:52] <XXCoder> build a house... build a house... build a house
[23:54:58] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: actually,it looks kinda short in the drawing too
[23:55:04] <roycroft> print a house print a house print a house
[23:55:12] <robotustra> I already built one
[23:55:14] <jesseg> hazzy-dev, lol yeah the drawing is not to scale.
[23:55:22] <robotustra> but it left in other country
[23:55:29] <XXCoder> robotustra: challenge yourself. build a micro house
[23:55:35] <hazzy-lab> Jeebiss: I hope not, lol
[23:55:53] <robotustra> XXCoder, I have to build a house in right country
[23:55:56] <XXCoder> https://www.opensourceecology.org
[23:56:18] <robotustra> first, move to US, then build or buy a house
[23:56:44] <`Wolf> jesseg: top bearing is on page 12-3 somewhere right?
[23:56:57] <XXCoder> https://opensourceecology.dozuki.com if curious
[23:57:29] <jesseg> `Wolf, top bearing is #43 on page 12-7 (bottom left of page.)
[23:58:16] <jesseg> `Wolf, this mill came in both a stepped pulley configuration and the variator configuration - so the manual covers both. I have the variator version.
[23:58:27] <`Wolf> how about spacer 46 on 12-5, that wasn’t missing was it?
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[23:59:21] <jesseg> `Wolf, spacers 46 and 47 are both there.