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[01:58:21] <sealive> morning from germany
[01:58:43] <sealive> robotustra, its a 24V standard why woudt you change this
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[01:59:15] <sealive> robotustra, get a 2USD pice between
[02:00:10] <sealive> robotustra, the 6600 are way better
[02:00:20] <sealive> about double the speed
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[02:01:01] <sealive> im off 2 garden
[02:01:19] <sealive> weather man saying we gone hit 40deg C on tuesday
[02:01:31] <sealive> at 50Dehg North
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[06:30:08] <fragalot> miss0r|office: I have decided that the RF45 is a piece of shit that' already taken more of my time than it's worth, and that it has to go.
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[06:31:31] <fragalot> 12:30 < fragalot> miss0r|office: I have decided that the RF45 is a piece of
[06:31:31] <fragalot> shit that' already taken more of my time than it's worth, and
[06:31:35] <fragalot> that it has to go.
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[06:31:46] <miss0r> :o
[06:31:57] <miss0r> is that a practical joke?
[06:32:07] <fragalot> no.
[06:32:24] <miss0r> So; What happened that made you decide to get rid of it?
[06:33:13] <fragalot> well I've worked on the X gib since about 5am and just managed to get it to sorta (not really) fit at all, due to how warped it was
[06:33:33] <fragalot> but I figure,d y'know what. let's leave it for now & see how well aligned everything is
[06:33:53] <fragalot> so I put an indicator on the table, and moved it along Y
[06:34:00] <fragalot> .1mm
[06:34:07] <fragalot> checked column
[06:34:09] <fragalot> perfect
[06:34:15] <fragalot> moved it along X, perfect
[06:34:43] <miss0r> :-/
[06:34:54] <miss0r> How did you do this measurement?
[06:35:34] <fragalot> indicator mounted on column, parallel on table in Y direction, crank table back & forth
[06:35:46] <fragalot> flip parallel around just to make sure it's not that
[06:36:09] <fragalot> the saddle itself is as perfect as I can make it, so it has to be the bottom casting
[06:36:33] <miss0r> so; the x-y is square, but the table drops?
[06:36:56] <fragalot> yes, but I also notice some binding on the Y dovetail that I mentioned yeterday
[06:37:04] <fragalot> so that dovetail must be off still
[06:37:20] <miss0r> well ffs
[06:37:24] <fragalot> my current theory is that the casting warped slightly when we clamped it to the big mill
[06:37:33] <miss0r> Sounds reasonable
[06:37:47] <fragalot> and even though it now measures level in the corners of the dovetail
[06:37:54] <fragalot> it probably still isn't happy
[06:38:10] <fragalot> and i'm not sure if I can be arsed with it anymore
[06:38:31] <miss0r> Have you tried to run an indicator along the dovetail surfaces, when the table is upside down on your granit surface plate?
[06:39:00] <fragalot> https://crispyn.be <== I wonder if I shouldn't just call them up & ask if they want to handle the delivery too
[06:39:20] <fragalot> the table itself is fine
[06:39:24] <fragalot> the saddle also is fine
[06:39:28] <fragalot> so it has to be the bottom casting
[06:39:53] <fragalot> anyway - I need to go get some food. back in ~45ish
[06:40:17] <miss0r> I will most likely be gone by then, but back tonight. Don't do anything rash before we've spoken again
[06:40:27] <fragalot> it's sunday
[06:40:35] <miss0r> I don't see your point
[06:40:36] <fragalot> I'm just gonna sort the pictures of iceland :)
[06:40:41] <miss0r> You do own a large hammer, don't ya?
[06:40:43] <fragalot> haha
[06:40:51] <fragalot> nah i'm just not going to go back into the shed today
[06:40:53] <miss0r> You get the point. bon appetite
[06:40:58] <fragalot> however
[06:41:05] <fragalot> I may still contact crispyn about that machine
[06:41:09] <miss0r> also: new episode of binky
[06:41:13] <fragalot> because it looks nice & would fit great
[06:41:21] <miss0r> Indeed
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[07:06:54] <jthornton> morning
[07:06:59] <XXCoder> yo
[07:07:31] <TurBoss> hello
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[07:08:23] <fragalot> back
[07:10:15] <Tom_L> morning
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[07:13:31] <Tom_L> 69°F Hi 97, looks like it's climbing back up there a bit
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[07:31:15] <jthornton> 71-92 here today
[07:31:20] <jthornton> .weather
[07:31:42] <jthornton> hmm guess the cockerel is off line
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[09:12:13] <jthornton> hmmm this is confusing why in master [AXIS_X] AND [JOINT_0] both have limits, velocity and accelerations entries
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[09:43:42] <jthornton> hazzy-lab: I'm a bit stumped how to handle the [AXIS_] section of the ini as an axis can be on more than one joint...
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[09:59:40] <sealive> hi all
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[10:02:08] <sealive> Folks what are this 3D puzzle wood things called in English i do not find things like dinosor T-Rex ishoudt be all over as butterfly spider
[10:02:21] <sealive> like here https://www.thingiverse.com
[10:02:33] <SpeedEvil> 3d puzzle wood thingy
[10:02:43] <SpeedEvil> There isn't a generic name.
[10:03:01] <SpeedEvil> wood puzzle will probably find many of them
[10:07:32] <sealive> got the butterfly
[10:07:36] <sealive> https://www.thingiverse.com
[10:09:59] <sealive> cool powder 3D-print /home/sammel/Downloads/cnc/lasercut/Various_Organic_Structure_Trivets_cnc_laser.zip
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[10:15:24] <sealive> i like this burned edges from laservut https://www.thingiverse.com
[10:18:16] <sealive> some drive the hell out of there lasers
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[10:26:04] <Deejay> re
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[10:29:29] <sealive> servus Deejay schwitzt du scon
[10:29:33] <sealive> schon
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[10:47:48] <jthornton> got that problem solved :)
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[10:51:04] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: Not sure how to handle that either, one way would be to keep a list of the axis sections that have been added, and if you have already added one for the same axis letter skip adding another one.
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[10:51:57] <hazzy-lab> But maybe you don't even need so try and support non-triv and gantry machines, as they are only a few percent of the machines out there
[10:52:31] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: lol, I had not scrolled down
[10:52:33] <jthornton> I got it figured out :) I just loop through the joints and get the axis data
[10:52:33] <hazzy-lab> great
[10:52:51] <hazzy-lab> perfect!
[10:53:03] <jthornton> had to wander off for a bit and gather my thoughts on how to solve that puzzle :)
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[10:53:46] <hazzy-lab> did the chicks give you any insight?
[10:53:50] <hazzy-lab> :)
[10:54:15] <jthornton> yes they are always inspiring
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[10:59:16] <jthornton> yea it works for gantry machines now only one axis section per letter
[11:00:42] <jthornton> hazzy-lab: I just pushed the commit if you want to take a gander at the buildini.py
[11:11:08] <hazzy-lab> jthornton: I will indeed! Heading out with the family to take a stroll at the kennesaw mtn battle field, I'll look when I get back
[11:11:38] <jthornton> have fun and stay cool
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[12:20:03] <robotustra> not a single day without milling
[12:20:53] * jthornton got the 7i96 bulder to build a working ini file time for my weekend nap
[12:24:15] <Tom_L> robotustra, true that
[12:26:00] <fragalot> robotustra: easy for you to say, my mill's been out of commission for over 2 months :P
[12:28:45] <robotustra> pity
[12:29:23] <robotustra> making setup to mill servo mounting plates
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[12:48:45] <fragalot> miss0r: DIY surface grinder. https://www.youtube.com
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[13:12:25] <jesseg> Hmmm. I'm writing open source firmware for Cricut stencil cutter -- making it take G codes on its USB serial port. Naturally I need an acceleration curve for the stepper motors, but do I need a deacceleration curve? Or can I just be lazy and come to a sudden stop :P
[13:12:50] <jesseg> I know steppers are much more likely to lose a step accelerating then they are deaccelerating
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[13:14:15] <jesseg> than :P
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[13:15:52] <Wolf__> should have gotten the silhouette cameo IMO (because thats the one I have) =P
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[13:18:52] <jesseg> Wolf__, LOL well umm this one was given to me used... without a power supply or cartridges.
[13:19:02] <jesseg> so I really had no choice in the matter.
[13:19:05] <Wolf__> lol that works
[13:19:15] <jesseg> However.. there's a good chance they have the same PCB in them LOL.
[13:19:38] <Wolf__> I think there is already open firmware for the silhouette cameo for doing stencils
[13:19:48] <jesseg> oh wait never mind, different brand entirely
[13:19:56] <jesseg> ok cool
[13:20:30] <jesseg> well so far I have coordinated XY moves going on this thing and flow control so I can just cat a gcode file to /dev/ttyUSB0
[13:20:54] <jesseg> I still need to add cutter up/down and arcs
[13:22:02] <Wolf__> I had more then one reason to get the cutter so I vaguely remember researching the mylar? smd stencil stuff before I got it
[13:23:25] <robotustra> I remember that days when I printed with "copy a.txt > PRN"
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[14:08:18] <miss0r|laptop> fragalot: I came as fast as I could. Did you break anything yet? :D
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[14:12:59] <miss0r|laptop> fragalot: I'm still not sure I completely understand where the error is, to be honnest. Could you draw me up a sketch?
[14:13:39] <fragalot> miss0r|laptop: no :-)
[14:13:52] <fragalot> lemme see
[14:16:35] <fragalot> turns out I can't
[14:16:39] <fragalot> => pm
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[16:38:20] <JT-Shop> Yippie my 7i96 configuration tool just made a working configuration
[16:38:37] <skunkworks> cool!
[16:39:04] <JT-Shop> it reads in the ini file into the tool so if you made changes in the ini they are not lost
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[16:41:06] <hazzy-lab> JT-Shop: Excellent!
[16:41:23] <hazzy-lab> Just got back, getting ready to check it out
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[16:43:03] <JT-Shop> hmm, let me push the current sample ini to read in
[16:45:02] <hazzy-lab> thanks!
[16:46:30] <jthornton> done
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[16:49:06] <hazzy-lab> I built fred, lol
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[16:49:29] <hazzy-lab> Looks really nice
[16:49:34] <jthornton> thanks
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[16:50:36] <hazzy-lab> UWV should be linear axes ...
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[16:51:02] <jthornton> opps
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[16:55:55] <hazzy-lab> when I reopen fred, it does not read in the axis letters, it does when I load the example config
[16:56:12] <jthornton> ok thanks
[16:56:31] * hazzy-lab is making notes to himself of things to look into mostly
[16:57:28] <jthornton> if you see stuff that is wrong/broken etc start an issue
[16:57:58] <hazzy-lab> Ok, will do
[16:58:11] <hazzy-lab> (and maybe a PR to go with it :) )
[16:58:22] <jthornton> yep I forgot to write the axis letter to the ini
[16:58:34] <jthornton> PR?
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[17:04:27] <Loetmichel> hmm, qutestion on the side: did something change lately? since the last update or so i noticed that the reference button only moves one axis any more. before that it moved all three in succession
[17:07:09] <skunkworks> pull request
[17:08:00] <hazzy-lab> thanks skunkworks :)
[17:08:39] <hazzy-lab> Loetmichel: I don't thing anything changed (at least nothing that I noticed, home all works fine here)
[17:08:45] <hazzy-lab> If you don't have the home sequence set right in the INI you will have to home individually instead of all at the same time ...
[17:09:44] <Loetmichel> how could that .ini change without me editing it?
[17:10:24] <hazzy-lab> it could not, so maybe something did change ..
[17:10:32] <hazzy-lab> are you on 2.7 or master?
[17:15:55] <jthornton> ah ok PR is pull request
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[17:16:39] <hazzy-lab> Loetmichel: I just quickly scanned the recent commits to 2.7 and don't see any changes that look like they would affect homing
[17:17:22] <Loetmichel> hazzy-lab: i have to look. CNC sits at the company...
[17:17:38] <Loetmichel> i think i updated last month to the newest system
[17:18:01] <Loetmichel> could be the month before last though... i am getting old and forgetful ;)
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[17:18:51] <hazzy-lab> haha, better than being young and forgetful like I am :)
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[17:28:46] <Loetmichel> just as a tip: where is that sequnce located in the ini?
[17:28:56] <Loetmichel> so i can find it quick tomorrow?
[17:29:10] <Loetmichel> at hazzy-lab
[17:30:09] <Loetmichel> problem is that i have half a dozens underlings that occasionally get sat before the CNC router and explained step by step how to do series millings... if the steps change they are lost ;9
[17:30:19] <Loetmichel> :)
[17:33:04] <XXCoder> LEGO just started using sugarcane to make plastic for lego parts. nice
[17:33:09] * jthornton wanders off to have a beer with the chicks
[17:33:09] <XXCoder> slowly moving on from oil
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[17:43:41] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:47:45] <hazzy-lab> Loetmichel: Sorry, stepped away. on 2.7 it will be under [AXIS_n]HOME_SEQUENCE, with master it will be under [JOINT_n]HOME_SEQUENCE
[17:48:05] <Loetmichel> thanks
[17:48:16] <hazzy-lab> np
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[18:02:02] <JT-Mobile> hey
[18:02:43] <JT-Mobile> log
[18:03:01] <hazzy-lab> hey
[18:03:09] <hazzy-lab> log can't speak :(
[18:03:11] <hazzy-lab> logs
[18:03:12] <JT-Mobile> sitting out in the chicken yard
[18:03:19] <JT-Mobile> lol
[18:03:51] <JT-Mobile> you wrote that logger?
[18:04:09] <hazzy-lab> kinda, it is a modified version of yours
[18:04:29] <JT-Mobile> ah cool
[18:05:02] <JT-Mobile> I'm guessing yours is registered with freenode?
[18:05:08] <hazzy-lab> yes
[18:05:24] <JT-Mobile> I sure hope a chicken does not fly up into my laptop
[18:05:27] <hazzy-lab> I had to register it after the channel permissions changed
[18:05:31] <hazzy-lab> LOL
[18:06:41] <JT-Mobile> I think I'll tackle gantry items next, it's only one thing IIRC the home sequence
[18:06:58] <JT-Mobile> then I/O
[18:07:30] <hazzy-lab> sweet! then you will have to make it work with the other mesa cards :D
[18:07:50] <JT-Mobile> I figure to port it for the 7i76e next
[18:08:01] <hazzy-lab> it is so nice being able to edit by hand and not have the changes lost when rerunning the wizard
[18:08:09] <JT-Mobile> yup
[18:08:12] <hazzy-lab> fantastic!
[18:08:40] <JT-Mobile> they are almost the same except the I/O and spindle
[18:08:51] <JT-Mobile> gotta finish this one first lol
[18:09:06] <hazzy-lab> When I get done-ish with this GUI stuff I will try to help out more
[18:09:18] <JT-Mobile> thanks
[18:09:26] <JT-Mobile> how does my code look to you?
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[18:12:16] <andypugh> I have a Pi3B+ running LinuxCNC on prempt-rt. The base thread latency is actually fine, 50uS or so, but the servo-thread latency is terrible (2 mS). I wonder wjy?
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[18:17:13] <JT-Mobile> dang got disconnected because I closed the lid lol
[18:18:35] <JT-Mobile> Fred and Ethel just showed up (two of the deer I feed)
[18:19:45] <hazzy-lab> so the sample config is named after the deer? lol
[18:19:55] <hazzy-lab> Your code looks good!
[18:19:59] <JT-Mobile> yea
[18:20:01] <JT-Mobile> thanks
[18:20:14] <hazzy-lab> Have you seen this? https://matrix.org
[18:20:33] <pcw_mesa> andypugh: do you have isolcpus enabled?
[18:20:45] <JT-Mobile> no, I've not seen that
[18:20:55] <hazzy-lab> it's the UI am am working on with Lcvette and TurBoss
[18:21:06] <JT-Mobile> cool
[18:21:40] <JT-Mobile> is there a branch for this?
[18:22:16] <hazzy-lab> it is in a separate repo on gitlab for now: https://gitlab.com
[18:22:24] <JT-Mobile> it looks very clean unlike a lot of GUI's that think flash is good lol
[18:22:36] <pcw_mesa> andypugh: also you probably need to run with servo thread only (latency-histogram --nobase --sbinsize 2000)
[18:23:05] <hazzy-lab> that is kinda the idea, clean and simple :)
[18:23:22] <JT-Mobile> yea it's very easy to read
[18:23:56] <andypugh> pcw_mesa: I will try that again after my dinner
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[18:29:07] <pcw_mesa> what I found is that you need to
[18:29:09] <pcw_mesa> 1. Enable hardware OpenGL (software OpenGL is painfully slow on the backplot)
[18:29:11] <pcw_mesa> 2. Hardware OpenGL breaks real time so 1 KHz servo thread will not work (even though the latency test is OK)
[18:29:13] <pcw_mesa> 3. Setting isolcpus=1,2,3 allows a 1 KHz realtime thread to get along with hardware OpenGL accel and real hardware (hm-rpspi)
[18:29:15] <pcw_mesa> This is for4.9.65 RT kernel; whether its the same for 4.14 is unknown...
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[18:33:28] <JT-Mobile> blue screen of death
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[18:36:51] <Lcvette[m]> In Linux?
[18:36:59] <Lcvette[m]> Didn't think that happened
[18:37:08] <hazzy-lab> never
[18:37:09] <hazzy-lab> lol
[18:37:11] <pfred1> what doesn't happen?
[18:37:15] <JT-Mobile> this is windblows 7
[18:37:30] <Lcvette[m]> Thought that was a Windows specially
[18:37:33] <Lcvette[m]> Ah
[18:38:12] <Tom_L> that doesn't happen often in windows 7
[18:38:14] <JT-Mobile> it's my laptop that I use to program PLC's and drives
[18:38:38] <Lcvette[m]> Gotcha
[18:38:50] <Lcvette[m]> I haven't experienced it for years
[18:39:04] <JT-Mobile> just thought I'd chat while chilling with my peeps
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[18:40:57] <pfred1> I'd love to chill out it's summer time here
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[18:41:20] <pfred1> this is probably the hottest week of the year
[18:41:54] <JT-Mobile> it's upper 80's here
[18:42:03] <pfred1> not that I'm complaining mind you but I still have to pace myself
[18:42:58] <pfred1> yeah it is 87 here right now we're past the heat of the day mow
[18:43:11] <pfred1> s/mow/now/g;
[18:43:33] <pfred1> the dewpoint is 71 though
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[18:43:48] <pfred1> it gets right humid here
[18:44:40] * JT-Mobile calls it a day and gets ready to cook some dinner
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[18:45:07] <pfred1> apparently it did hit 92 here earlier today
[18:45:36] <pfred1> that with some humidity will slow me down
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[21:47:52] <`Wolf> well, this is going to slow me down a little https://i.imgur.com
[21:58:36] <XXCoder> heavily beaten bolt?
[21:59:34] <`Wolf> the pin spanner nut
[21:59:50] <`Wolf> which I dont have a pin spanner that fits it
[22:00:40] <XXCoder> make one out of allthread and couple nuts?
[22:01:53] <`Wolf> huh
[22:03:26] <`Wolf> I dont think I can make a pin spanner out of all thread and nuts
[22:07:41] <`Wolf> XXCoder: http://a.co pin spanner for face holes
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[22:09:09] <`Wolf> except I don’t have room for that type to fit…
[22:09:12] <`Wolf> $*%&#@
[22:09:22] <XXCoder> doh
[22:09:42] <XXCoder> ahh need pin spnner. new type to me
[22:09:50] <XXCoder> was thinking regular spanner
[22:10:06] <`Wolf> I have those covered
[22:10:16] <`Wolf> I have 5 sets of wrenches lol
[22:10:33] <`Wolf> have outside pin spanners as well
[22:10:48] <`Wolf> and a giant face pin spanner
[22:11:08] <`Wolf> this looks like I will need to make a socket to get it out
[22:11:31] <XXCoder> specil socket with pins spaced in certain way?
[22:12:57] <`Wolf> looks like it, tube with pins on the face spaced to match the hole pattern
[22:13:16] <SpeedEvil> I assume you've tried just one-punch maning it?
[22:13:22] <`Wolf> yeah
[22:13:33] <`Wolf> it didn’t want to move at all
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[22:14:02] <`Wolf> and its the spindle so I didn’t want to wail on it too much
[22:14:04] <SpeedEvil> Tried applying a modest amount of heat?
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[22:14:16] <XXCoder> and cooling other end
[22:14:29] <XXCoder> if thats possihble
[22:14:32] <`Wolf> that might be next step, seeing that its the mill head so I can’t make the wrench on it lol
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[22:15:09] <SpeedEvil> A suitable large spanner, with two drilled holes, and bolts might be an easy way
[22:15:21] <`Wolf> 4mm hole size I think
[22:15:26] <XXCoder> just dont overkill it and explode it :) lol
[22:15:31] <SpeedEvil> with the ends reduced to cylinder.
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[22:16:54] <`Wolf> its 27mm down below the head castings so I can’t get any bars flat to the face
[22:16:58] <SpeedEvil> ah
[22:17:43] <`Wolf> pain in the ass design
[22:17:47] <SpeedEvil> I assume the bolt in teh middle comes out?
[22:17:57] <`Wolf> thats the drawbar
[22:18:01] <SpeedEvil> dry ice in there
[22:18:13] <SpeedEvil> possibly a silly suggestion
[22:18:37] <`Wolf> I might try butane torch to warm the nut
[22:19:00] <SpeedEvil> if the nut is very cheap, chisel.
[22:19:33] <`Wolf> if that doesn’t work I’ll put the head back together after getting dimensions and drill some face holes on a alum tube stock and turn down some 5mm dowel pins
[22:19:48] <SpeedEvil> Makes sense.
[22:20:08] <`Wolf> nut might be cheap, if I could find one lol
[22:20:24] <`Wolf> 1985 Jet mill… made by someone else of course
[22:20:45] <SpeedEvil> Square tube can have pins welded to its periphery to give a various number of diameters
[22:23:34] <`Wolf> TIG welder is down right now
[22:23:38] <`Wolf> =(
[22:24:31] <SpeedEvil> same with angle-grindering off all but the pin locations. Then get to nice fit with a file. If you can find a suitable tube.
[22:27:14] <`Wolf> got it, heat plus 2lb brass hammer
[22:34:29] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[22:35:53] <`Wolf> nice, what am I looking at =)
[22:36:46] <`Wolf> horizontal cnc?
[22:38:01] <pfred1> `Wolf is that the pulley on your mill spindle?
[22:38:13] <`Wolf> yeah, I just got it off
[22:38:25] <pfred1> why did you take it off?
[22:39:24] <`Wolf> spindle feels dead solid, wanted to look at the manual brake location and also look in to putting a halls sensor for a RPM display
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[22:40:12] <pfred1> hmm my mill doesn't have a brake on it
[22:42:30] <`Wolf> https://i.imgur.com bottom left shows brake stuff, but my head doesn’t have the holes or parts installed
[22:42:48] <`Wolf> looks like a pain in the ass to add so that idea is tossed
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