#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-08-12

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[00:00:00] <jesseg> djdelorie, this pcb-rnd looks very interesting... I wonder how bloody hard it is to get it to compile on slackware LOL
[00:00:18] <djdelorie> shouldn't be too hard, they use older hardware to develop on
[00:01:11] <jesseg> yeah but if they use bleeding edge libraries then I'll have to spider the dependency hell tree. Slackware is like the worst when it comes to getting going with a modern cutting edge graphics application :D
[00:01:27] <jesseg> It's also the most stable thing I've ever seen.
[00:07:56] <jesseg> oh blah... ar: libgenlist.a: Malformed archive
[00:08:06] <jesseg> so ./configure ran fine but make bombed out.
[00:08:27] <jesseg> and I'm not even sure why. maybe it's because I'm running 32/64 bit with multilib
[00:08:30] <jesseg> oh well I tried :D
[00:13:06] <roycroft> well that ended up being exciting for only a few seconds
[00:13:14] <roycroft> i had everything staged ahead of time
[00:13:31] <roycroft> i had the entrance hole roughly marked with a couple bricks
[00:13:56] <roycroft> i threw down the screening, which was way oversize, and then flipped on the bright light that i needed to locate the hole
[00:14:09] <roycroft> the instant i turned on the light the wasps started trying to come out
[00:14:30] <roycroft> but i got the bricks surrounding their hole very quickly, and not a single one was able to make an escape
[00:15:25] <jesseg> and then what happened!
[00:15:32] <roycroft> then i did the thing
[00:15:38] <jesseg> raid?
[00:15:39] <roycroft> squirting the soap and filling the hole with water
[00:15:42] <roycroft> no, of course not
[00:15:49] <jesseg> oh cool soap can work great
[00:15:54] <roycroft> soapy water is all that's needed to kill wasps
[00:15:57] <jesseg> especially dawn
[00:16:19] <roycroft> i used seventh gen, which is an all-natural soap that i have been using for my dishes for decades
[00:16:21] <jesseg> I've tried a number of different liquid dish soaps and some of the cheap stuff doesn't work well
[00:16:38] <roycroft> there is no sign at all of wasps
[00:16:45] <jesseg> splendid
[00:16:53] <roycroft> and i left the light shining down the hole for several minutes after i turned the water off
[00:16:59] <roycroft> i won't know until the morrow if they're really gone
[00:17:03] <roycroft> but i think they are all dead
[00:17:30] <roycroft> i'll have to dig up their nest and fill it back in so that other wasps don't show up
[00:17:53] <roycroft> ground wasps are not pollinators
[00:18:12] <jesseg> not as fun as what I did one time. I took some pyrodex (i.e. old fashioned black powder for muzzle loaders -- essentially solid rocket fuel) and filled the whole up with that and put a wick in it and lit it off.. at night..
[00:18:14] <roycroft> i have absolutely no problem eliminating them
[00:18:38] <jesseg> why don't you pour molten aluminum down the hole first to make some wasp art?
[00:18:59] <roycroft> my method is very effective and very low impact
[00:20:02] <roycroft> the nest was not only close to one of my herb beds, it was very close to the mailboxes for myself and two other neighbors
[00:20:08] <roycroft> i would not want my letter carrier to be stung
[00:21:27] <jesseg> I have no problem eliminating agressive venomous creatures that invade my domicile and frequent stomping grounds. That's natural selection -- part of survivability is not ticking off other smarter species in the area - evolve to co-exist :P
[00:21:59] <jesseg> or get smarter
[00:21:59] <roycroft> it's not always best to eliminate the
[00:22:00] <roycroft> m
[00:22:17] <roycroft> if they are pollinators, getting the to swarm elsewhere would be better than killing them
[00:22:43] <roycroft> most pollinators are not all that agressive in the first place
[00:23:47] <roycroft> african killer bees notwithstanding
[00:23:49] <jesseg> best schemst, it's natural selection. If they can't be good neighbors they need to either leave or get smarter then me. Let a less aggressive strain or species take their place.
[00:24:13] <jesseg> Things have been working themselves out for a very long time.
[00:24:25] <roycroft> yes, but humans are seriously messing with that
[00:24:48] <roycroft> and we're killing bees on a massive scale, often unintentially
[00:24:49] <XXCoder> hornets is not pollator, besides one of pain
[00:24:50] <jesseg> but aren't humans part of that? a product of the whole system just like every other species?
[00:25:06] <roycroft> compounded with the virus that is killing them as well
[00:25:13] <jesseg> that and the mites
[00:25:16] <roycroft> sure, we are
[00:25:26] <roycroft> the mites are mostly a problem with domesticated bees
[00:25:31] <roycroft> and are easily controlled
[00:25:47] <roycroft> but it's human activity that is tipping the scale on bee survival
[00:25:57] <roycroft> and if the bees go away we lose a *lot* of our food
[00:26:15] <roycroft> so it's in the best interest of humans to keep the pollinating bees thriving
[00:26:31] <roycroft> if we're to survive as a species we need to do that
[00:27:05] <XXCoder> indeed. just fuck wasps though
[00:27:09] <jesseg> there's also other pollinators like bumble bees and mason bees
[00:27:13] <roycroft> darwin is not all about random mutations - an intelligent species can choose to survive or not
[00:27:22] <roycroft> there are
[00:27:32] <roycroft> and there are not-bee pollinators, like dragonflys
[00:27:46] <roycroft> if we kill all the honey bees pollination will not cease completely
[00:27:47] <jesseg> I'm not so sure humans are an intelligent species but if you they are I won't argue with you.
[00:27:52] <roycroft> but a lot of crops will fail
[00:28:01] <roycroft> i did not say how intelligent :)
[00:28:06] <jesseg> LOL
[00:28:11] <roycroft> we're more intelligent than slugs
[00:28:15] <roycroft> there is no doubt about that
[00:28:23] <roycroft> we often don't use our intelligence intelligently
[00:28:33] <roycroft> that does not make us not intelligent though
[00:33:43] <jesseg> I dunno about being more intelligent then slugs. Some mornings I wake up and think "Let's see, which way shall I crawl. Oh. The fridge. Food is what I need."
[00:33:55] <jesseg> :P
[00:42:43] <jesseg> Ceiling wasps do pollinate a little bit, some even collect a little bit of honey and store it in their paper larva combs
[00:42:55] <jesseg> I guess for a snack for later
[00:43:02] <XXCoder> paper wasps?
[00:43:07] <jesseg> yes
[00:43:07] <roycroft> yes, but very few ground wasps do any pollinating
[00:43:29] <XXCoder> know what I hate as much as hornets? mud daubers
[00:43:35] <roycroft> these were really small, and were mostly black, with white stripes
[00:43:42] <roycroft> i'm not sure what species
[00:43:57] <jesseg> frankly I don't ever remember seeing any wasp/hornet in a flower, but I have seen the honey in their paper comb
[00:44:22] <roycroft> they were not there when i last mowed, which was about 3 weeks ago
[00:44:28] <roycroft> so it's a fairly young nest
[00:44:41] <roycroft> but there can still be 3-4 thousand of them in that brief a period of time
[00:45:15] <roycroft> and when i say they are small, i mean <1cm in length
[00:45:38] <roycroft> most ground wasps are much larger than that
[00:46:13] <roycroft> that may be why i'm only in a lot of discomfort now, and not in serious pain or in hospital
[00:46:58] <roycroft> not that the size of an insect is necessarily indicative of the toxicity of its bite/sting
[00:47:14] <jesseg> I didn't know dragonflies pollinated. I knew they captured and ate other bugs both in the larval and adult stages. They have a fine set of chewing mouthparts. What do they do to the flower? They don't have a long drinking tube or tongue to reach in and suck up the necter. Moths and butterflies do, though.
[00:47:44] <XXCoder> dragonflies eat its body weight in monstos every day
[00:47:49] <jesseg> I have seen many dragonflies -- red, green, blue -- but don't remember ever seeing them in a flower
[00:47:54] <XXCoder> so its great way to control them damn pests
[00:48:09] <jesseg> yeah dragonflies are one of my all time favorite insects
[00:48:27] <jesseg> I just don't recall ever seeing them pollinating
[00:48:41] <XXCoder> they dont I think
[00:49:00] <jesseg> pollinators usually have mouthparts that have a long part to reach down into the flower to slurp up the necter
[00:51:04] <roycroft> it's accidental pollination, jesseg
[00:51:06] <XXCoder> depends, bees dont
[00:51:15] <XXCoder> they just stright go in
[00:51:26] <roycroft> and not very effective, because of that
[00:51:56] <jesseg> Oh, like ants, houseflies, slugs, the wind...
[00:52:16] <roycroft> they hang out around things that produce/need pollin
[00:52:21] <roycroft> pollen
[00:52:32] <roycroft> because their dinner hang out in those places
[00:52:36] <jesseg> probably hunting honey bees :P
[00:52:44] <roycroft> no, they don't hunt honey bees
[00:54:02] <jesseg> speaking of which the wool carder bee attacks and kills honey bees and bumble bees
[00:54:44] <XXCoder> in least we dont have hell wasps like japan
[00:54:58] <XXCoder> or gun ants
[00:55:15] <XXCoder> its called gunshot ants because bites feel like one
[00:55:22] <XXCoder> and lasts day or more
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[01:00:11] <fragalot> HI
[01:01:02] <Tom_L> the flip side is waking up..
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[01:05:15] <roycroft> we don't have red ants up in the northwet like the south do
[01:05:32] <XXCoder> tiny black ants here
[01:05:33] <roycroft> there are rattlesnakes in central/eastern oregon
[01:05:46] <XXCoder> northwet thats apt word for this place... when not summer
[01:05:48] <roycroft> unlike much of the rest of the country
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[01:12:39] <fragalot> We've got all sort sof ants her
[01:12:53] <fragalot> black, red, HUGE (relatively speaking) ants, flying ants, etc..
[01:13:02] <XXCoder> heard of new invastive ants thats killing off fire ants
[01:13:09] <XXCoder> in usa
[01:13:39] <jesseg> I wonder what kind of aluminum sculpture the new kind of ants make
[01:13:46] <XXCoder> dunno
[01:13:53] <XXCoder> odd I cant access reddit
[01:14:03] <jesseg> maybe you already read it
[01:14:06] <fragalot> hehe
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[01:16:45] <XXCoder> can access now. weird
[01:26:05] <Wolf__> ugh, you know work is getting big when you find yourself looking at cranes…
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[01:29:03] <fragalot> lol
[01:30:07] <XXCoder> lol
[01:30:16] <Wolf__> 9k lbs/ 4k kg truck bodys
[01:30:21] <XXCoder> watch out when you need overhead cranes
[01:30:35] <XXCoder> one with rails and many tons lifting ability
[01:30:49] <XXCoder> you know when you have gone big by then lol
[01:31:28] <Wolf__> I need a actual yard crane, looking at 15ton pettibone
[01:32:19] <XXCoder> http://www.hkequipment.com this?
[01:32:39] <Wolf__> https://www.easternsurplus.net
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[01:36:07] <XXCoder> youre definitely getting into bigger stuff
[01:49:15] <Wolf__> I wish I didn’t need to get something like that, but I think we are at around 10 bodies to install at 9,000lbs each, need to unload off a trailer then install on truck
[01:52:17] <XXCoder> lot og work
[01:54:57] <Wolf__> not really much to it, just big things
[01:55:59] <XXCoder> oh yeah its BULLET ant not gunshot ants
[01:56:03] <XXCoder> quite large ant
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[01:56:23] <XXCoder> people is known to sucide after bites because of pain
[01:56:42] <fragalot> Wolf__: up next: http://www.verticaaltransport.nl
[01:57:05] <Wolf__> I think shipping on that would kill me
[01:57:12] <fragalot> :P
[01:57:12] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com hes insane
[01:59:43] <XXCoder> Wolf__: not reallt
[01:59:47] <XXCoder> just drive it
[01:59:52] <XXCoder> no shipping nesscary
[01:59:53] <Wolf__> this is the type of bodies I have to install https://previews.123rf.com
[02:00:05] <XXCoder> its immune to traffic as bonus. just drive over
[02:00:31] <Wolf__> XXCoder: how am I going to drive that from europe to the usa?
[02:00:43] <XXCoder> floatation devices of course
[02:01:07] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[02:01:25] <XXCoder> that guy is an asshole lol
[02:03:07] <XXCoder> finally found boat mode one lol http://pics.imcdb.org
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[02:54:57] <XXCoder> roycroft: https://www.youtube.com
[03:01:57] <roycroft> yeah, that is the totally not way to do it
[03:02:24] <XXCoder> seemed to work lol whats wrong with it
[03:03:01] <roycroft> it used expensive, toxic chemicals where there was no justification for their use
[03:03:16] <XXCoder> you didnt watch all of it?
[03:03:21] <roycroft> no
[03:03:27] <roycroft> i gave up early on :)
[03:03:38] <XXCoder> watch then. I linked it for second part not dumb chemical first part of it
[03:05:59] <Wolf__> tl;dr plastic tote with water+dish soap + board with meat (chicken?) on it to catch yellow jackets, kinda neat to know
[03:06:49] <XXCoder> yeah its kinda surpising. seems wasps need couple inches to turn and fly
[03:06:57] <XXCoder> and soap water being too close means they cant fly
[03:10:28] <roycroft> ok, the second half was better
[03:10:46] <roycroft> i've never used chicken to attract wasps
[03:10:55] <XXCoder> apparently they LOVE em so hard
[03:10:55] <roycroft> but i'll keep it in mind as an option
[03:11:05] <XXCoder> you can see wasps already flying in as hes screwing it in
[03:13:25] <XXCoder> he was using whole ones. me? I probably would order KFC then use leftovers
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[04:08:50] <Deejay> moin
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[05:02:38] <phipli> Morning
[05:04:06] <Deejay> hey
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[05:06:16] <phipli> Deejay, do you guys have Velleman electronics kits?
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[05:12:19] <Deejay> nope, nothing from velleman here
[05:12:26] <Deejay> why do you ask?
[05:12:53] <phipli> I dug out some of the kits I built when I was learning electronics (not that you ever stop learning)
[05:13:32] <phipli> They pre-date the resurgence in electronics - they were reasonably available through the 90s when most companies vanished
[05:14:04] <phipli> I owe them a lot... but I was wondering how common they were in other places
[05:14:28] <phipli> the company itself is Belgian
[05:15:21] <phipli> A lot of their kits are actually useful things for larger electrical projects
[05:15:23] <phipli> https://quasarelectronics.co.uk
[05:16:11] <phipli> Educational, build it yourself, comes with functional instructions etc. etc.
[05:16:26] <phipli> my Nephew is getting old enough that I can start thinking about buying him their simple kits
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[05:38:18] <jthornton> morning
[06:01:59] <jthornton> installing debian 9 again...
[06:02:57] <XXCoder> nothing like freshly installed debian to wake you up eh
[06:04:00] <jthornton> lol yea, found out that buildbot.linuxcnc.org and linuxcnc.org use different keys
[06:04:28] <jthornton> so instructions for installing 2.7 are different than master
[06:05:56] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:06:34] <jthornton> so it only took me 3 days to get that info
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[06:07:59] <phipli> I've completely broken the nvidia drivers on my laptop
[06:08:13] <jthornton> ouch
[06:08:27] <phipli> I'm resigned that at some point I'll have to re-install after I've probably spent about 16 hours in total trying to get them to work on the existing install
[06:08:54] <phipli> issue is, I was trying to learn opencl / gpu computing stuff just before I did it
[06:09:01] <phipli> all I did was upgrade them :(
[06:09:25] <phipli> using opensource drivers now and none of the stuff I was trying to learn is compatible
[06:09:39] <jthornton> linux the upgrade dependency hell
[06:10:06] <phipli> nvidia hell
[06:10:15] <phipli> they've done something weird that stops you rolling back
[06:10:24] <phipli> and if you try /really/ hard to roll it back
[06:10:27] <phipli> you break something
[06:10:59] <phipli> I feel like they've put a dummy version of something in for the newer version, and it isn't been replaced when I install an older one...
[06:11:41] <phipli> but by this point I've tried so much stuff I have no idea what state the remains of nvidia drivers are in on this machine
[06:12:01] <phipli> probably a good point to move back to Mint
[06:12:23] <jthornton> I like linux mint much better than debian anything
[06:12:41] <jthornton> debian just makes everything a pia
[06:14:34] <phipli> I'm on Ubuntu atm - not really by choice
[06:14:56] <phipli> Usually use Mint on this laptop
[06:15:02] <jthornton> I liked Ubuntu up to 10 after that not so much
[06:15:10] <phipli> Never liked Unity
[06:15:25] <phipli> only tried it this time around because Unity has gone
[06:15:31] <jthornton> chickens are back on extra light now they get up 20 minutes before sunrise today
[06:15:34] <phipli> but then they started making gnome more like unity
[06:16:07] <phipli> jthornton, that time of year already?
[06:16:57] <jthornton> yea 13:41:29 of sunlight today
[06:17:13] <jthornton> from sunrise to sunset
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[06:20:45] <phipli> We've had two eggs so far today
[06:20:48] <phipli> good strong eggs
[06:20:58] <phipli> don't think they were liking the hot weather
[06:21:05] <jthornton> some of mine have thin shells dunno why
[06:21:28] <phipli> do you give them grit with shells?
[06:21:39] <phipli> sometimes they just do it
[06:21:45] <phipli> othertimes it is the heat
[06:22:08] <phipli> sometimes they try to lay two eggs in a day and don't get a chance to make enough shell
[06:22:19] <jthornton> they have oyster shell for calcium along with crushed egg shells
[06:22:34] <phipli> then it is probably the weather
[06:22:45] <phipli> also, with time, the shells get thinner
[06:22:59] <phipli> in a few years the average shell thickness will go down
[06:23:05] <phipli> and I think egg size goes up
[06:23:09] <phipli> if I remember
[06:23:30] <phipli> atm, we can't shut a large eggbox on a random sample of our eggs
[06:23:59] <phipli> when I bring them into work for people I have to sort out all the "small" (read "only large") eggs that fit in the boxes properly
[06:26:57] <jthornton> yea egg size is still getting larger for my group, the thin shells are always a lighter shade of brown
[06:33:14] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[06:33:50] <jthornton> december is when I got the first eggs
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[07:09:54] <phipli> what have you bought fragalot
[07:10:56] <fragalot> I haven't hit "send yet"
[07:11:06] <fragalot> but it is to buy a shaublin 13 with a ton of accessoires
[07:11:31] <fragalot> anyone interested in a free RF45? pickup only :P
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[08:17:55] <fragalot> hey
[08:20:53] <Tom_L> morning
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[08:46:54] <JT-Shop> morning
[08:47:26] <fragalot> mornin' JT-Shop
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[08:51:12] <JT-Shop> hey fragalot
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[10:45:31] <JT-Shop> went to get the paper and there's a half dead armadillo in the driveway... yuck
[10:45:51] <fragalot_> dinner.
[10:47:15] <fragalot_> That's it. The deed is done. I am now poor. lol
[10:47:37] <Wolf__> lol
[10:47:47] <Wolf__> I know that feeling
[10:48:42] <fragalot_> :P
[10:48:45] <fragalot_> how is your hunt going
[10:49:46] <Wolf__> I need a 12,000lb fork lift or a small crane now =/
[10:50:10] <fragalot_> hefty forklift
[10:50:56] <Wolf__> http://refusetrucks.scrantonmfg.com isnt light
[10:51:16] <fragalot_> lol, no
[10:51:27] <fragalot_> a crane would arguably be more useful
[10:51:33] <fragalot_> for that type of jobs
[10:51:49] <Wolf__> we have one on the ground right now, 9,000 lb truck body
[10:52:16] <Wolf__> not really sure how the hell we are going to get it on the truck
[10:52:30] <fragalot_> have you thought about putting the truck on the body instead & flipping it
[10:52:51] <Wolf__> would scratch up the paint
[10:53:08] <fragalot_> put a blanket under it
[10:53:29] <fragalot_> this is why manufacturing and assembly is going to china, Wolf__
[10:53:38] <Wolf__> lol
[10:53:39] <fragalot_> you're too focussed on quality to get the job done
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[10:55:47] <Wolf__> or 100 guys to pick it up and put in on the truck
[10:56:15] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com wouldnt roll over well either
[10:56:44] <fragalot_> dig a hole
[10:57:02] <Wolf__> hmm
[10:57:13] <Wolf__> we do have 2 excavators there
[10:57:26] <fragalot_> dig hole, drive truck in said hole until back is level with the ground
[10:57:40] <fragalot_> shimmy loader onto truck
[10:57:43] <fragalot_> :P
[10:59:52] <sync> an overhead crane is probably the easiest
[11:00:43] <Wolf__> I wish we had shop space big enough to work on this stuff in, with a big overhead gantry crane
[11:04:25] <fragalot_> it's surprising just how large cranes get when you go above 5t
[11:04:32] <fragalot_> overhead gantry, I mean
[11:05:31] <Wolf__> small rough terrain crane, 15t lift, 55,000 vehicle weight…
[11:10:49] <Wolf__> over built beats having the gantry falling on your head
[11:10:56] <fragalot_> certainly does
[11:11:14] <fragalot_> and the odd job that's JUST a bit too big will be less likely :P
[11:11:51] <Wolf__> I call that utilizing the safety factor
[11:12:09] <fragalot_> well it's going to be a dynamic load, so .. x9?
[11:12:28] <fragalot_> well, x4.5 since it's only dynamic in one direction
[11:19:23] <Wolf__> these looks cool http://www.metreel.com
[11:19:48] <Wolf__> least for light weight things
[11:20:10] <fragalot_> Aye
[11:22:30] <fragalot_> Wolf__: in your opinion, on a schaublin 13.. magnetic or optical DRO?
[11:24:03] <sync> I would always go for optical
[11:24:15] <Wolf__> usually I would say optical, but that Y axis looks like it puts the table close to the column
[11:24:19] <sync> more options to choose from
[11:24:48] <Wolf__> wait, Y axis is on the head?
[11:24:51] <fragalot_> yes
[11:25:09] <Wolf__> optical if the scale will fit
[11:25:23] <Wolf__> cheap and works =)
[11:25:44] <fragalot_> :)
[11:26:05] <fragalot_> i'm only worried about 2 things here
[11:26:11] <fragalot_> coolant & clearance
[11:26:42] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com fun to install…
[11:27:23] <fragalot_> :D
[11:27:33] <fragalot_> I remember it being hell on my RF45 with the wonky castings
[11:27:54] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com I did my lathe and mill at the same time
[11:28:04] <fragalot_> also - LCD panel version? how luxurious
[11:28:34] <fragalot_> does the LCD actually make any real world difference in terms of usability?
[11:28:37] <Wolf__> yeah I kinda wish I had got it for both but was almost $200 more
[11:29:04] * fragalot_ mulls this over
[11:29:06] <Wolf__> its nice on doing bolt circles and whatnot
[11:29:35] <Wolf__> plus its a color LCD so you can change the colors
[11:30:46] <fragalot_> found an LCD readout kit with magnetic 5µ for £660 or I can get the same optical 1µ set I got for my RF45 for €590..
[11:30:56] <fragalot_> (similar to the "standard" one you show in that picture)
[11:30:56] <Wolf__> I was around $750 USD for both DROs, LCD w/ 5um and the led segmented 3 axis with 2x @ 1um
[11:31:43] <fragalot_> that's not a bad price
[11:31:45] <fragalot_> at all
[11:32:21] <Wolf__> $731 shipped lol
[11:32:42] <fragalot_> ._.
[11:32:47] <Wolf__> https://www.aliexpress.com
[11:33:24] <Wolf__> and the cheap https://www.aliexpress.com
[11:34:03] <fragalot_> going to get railed in taxes on both
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[11:36:21] <JT-Shop> import tariff?
[11:36:42] <fragalot_> and the administrational fees they add on
[11:36:58] <Wolf__> that schaublin looks odd, like a mill and a shaper had a child
[11:37:04] <fragalot_> I bought 2 bottles of canode dye from the USA and wount up paying about $250 in total for them
[11:37:10] <fragalot_> Wolf__: :D
[11:37:27] <Wolf__> ouch
[11:37:30] <fragalot_> you can actually get a shaper head for it (vertical slotting head)
[11:39:08] <Wolf__> kinda wish I had got the K&T #2 I was looking at, it had a vertical slotting head and the vertical mill head for it
[11:39:46] <fragalot_> that's a nice machine, but it can't do what your bridgeport can
[11:40:05] <fragalot_> (obviously, the bridgeport also can't do what the K&T can :P)
[11:41:04] <Wolf__> well, it was a whole basement deal, $7k for the k&t #2, a index mill (oversized BP clone), a #2 tool and cutter grinder and a crap atlas lathe
[11:42:20] <fragalot_> should be able to sell most of it off individually and come out with a pretty cheap K&T if you're into that sort of thing
[11:42:39] <Wolf__> its all gone, that was over a year ago now
[11:42:42] <Wolf__> or 2
[11:45:24] <fragalot_> I think I'm going to go for an LCD with cut-to-length magnetics..
[11:45:46] <fragalot_> mainly because I see a lot of space constaints on this mill, and coolant will be plentiful
[11:49:55] <fragalot_> actually no. an LCD would look out of place
[11:50:01] <fragalot_> I need a neon DRO
[11:50:02] <fragalot_> :D
[11:50:17] <Wolf__> LSD dro
[11:51:17] <fragalot_> I think this style looks like it matches the machine.. https://www.machine-dro.co.uk
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[11:52:36] <Wolf__> looks cool
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[11:54:21] <fragalot_> should be alright if the membrane lasts :)
[11:55:18] <robotustra> neon DRO https://www.youtube.com
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[11:56:00] <fragalot_> I had completely forgotten about that monstrosity
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[13:08:25] <gambakufu> what is an acceptable f-error value I should aspire to running with a mesa card and steppers with velocity control mode? I'm getting ~500u mm when accelerating/decelrating in halscope. is this ok?
[13:20:04] <pcw_home> 500u = .5mm? thats horrible
[13:22:00] <pcw_home> 500 nm (0.5 u) would be OK
[13:22:30] <gambakufu> 0.0005mm, I think. assuming 1/div means 1mm per division in halscope
[13:22:55] <pcw_home> Yes
[13:23:11] <gambakufu> cool. thanks.
[13:23:28] <pcw_home> you can improve trackin durring accel/decell with FF2
[13:24:08] <pcw_home> FF2 compansates for the time between reading the position and writing the velocity command
[13:24:39] <gambakufu> I see. I'll play around with that value, then.
[13:26:17] <pcw_home> it shoud be the time between read and writes (roughly .00013 on Ethernet, .00006 on PCI)
[13:26:36] <pcw_home> very roughly...
[13:27:49] <pcw_home> any DPLL pre-read time adds to this
[13:28:07] <gambakufu> I have the 7i92 with 0.00011 (which i believe I copied from the sample mesa config), so I guess it's about right. also, this is a modified x-carve so I don't think i can gain any actual accuracy :)
[13:29:22] <pcw_home> no, if you actually measured the axis positions with linear encoders you might be a bit dismayed
[13:30:32] <pcw_home> but no reason to not have the pulse stream as accurate as possible
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[14:52:46] <Jin^eLD> hi, I am learning linuxcnc, trying to write a component for a mill, and somehow I don't get one thing..is there some sort of API on the input side that I have to implement? for instance, something like my component would ge a request to set rpm and I it figures out how to do that for this specific hardware
[14:52:50] <Jin^eLD> what does it get as input?
[14:54:39] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org
[14:54:56] <JT-Shop> or http://linuxcnc.org
[14:55:58] <Jin^eLD> I am actually at comp.html, i manaed to write something simple, juts playing around with input and output pins and a connected pyvcp
[14:56:04] <Jin^eLD> let me have a look at the ladder...
[14:58:55] <Jin^eLD> i don't get it... how is the ladder thing related to my question? :) maybe it is and I just dont get it, but maybe I was not able to properly convey what I wanted to know when asking my question...
[14:59:38] <Jin^eLD> who or what in Linuxcnc would call my component?
[15:04:08] <Jin^eLD> maybe I got the whole concept wrong, I assumed that in order to support some machine I would have to implement a hal component following some API to receive input linuxcnc and produce output that would further control the machine
[15:06:52] <fragalot_> are you actually building a component (eg, a full custom controller circuit board?)
[15:07:11] <fragalot_> or simply driving a standard step/dir motor via either oen of the recommended boards, or a parallel port?
[15:11:07] <Jin^eLD> good question... so as a backstory, my buddy bought an MAHO mill which he is converting to linuxcnc, but he is not into programming and linux, so he asked me to help out; he threw some MAHO related documents at me, but I am totall new to linuxcnc, hence all the n00b questions ;) I think he has some I/O cards that he wants to use to control the machine (I see here MESA 7i84 I/O card mentioned in one of his documents)
[15:11:37] <Jin^eLD> he's on holidays now so I can't ask for detais, I figured I learn linuxcnc / how to write HAL components while he is gone
[15:11:45] <Jin^eLD> *details
[15:11:55] <pcw_home> This should not need any new components
[15:12:14] <pcw_home> mainly needs an understanding of hal/ini files
[15:12:48] <Jin^eLD> for instance he sent me a table how spindle rpm values match to pin outputs that control the gearbox
[15:13:17] <Jin^eLD> well he did sent me a component that someone else wrote for MH700 (he has an MH400e)
[15:13:23] <Jin^eLD> thats why I thought that a component was needed
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[15:13:48] <Jin^eLD> but the guy sold his machine before finishing the component so what I have is something half finished and not working
[15:14:07] <Jin^eLD> I wanted to write a new one from scratch
[15:14:10] <Jin^eLD> but indeed good point
[15:14:10] <pcw_home> I would first read the hal documentation then go through the existing components
[15:14:13] <Jin^eLD> do I need one at all?
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[15:14:57] <Jin^eLD> I've been digging through docs the whole last week, but I am still not totally sure how everything fits together
[15:15:38] <pcw_home> Possibly, but I would tackle that after you thoroughly understand hal
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[15:16:18] <pcw_home> you may well be able to do all thats needed in hal
[15:16:37] <pcw_home> bbl
[15:17:03] <Jin^eLD> thats his thread btw https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[15:23:38] <Jin^eLD> from what i read his problem was performing the actual gearchange, thats what the component was needed for
[15:23:51] <Jin^eLD> and I guess this is the one that he sent me https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[15:28:41] <Jin^eLD> at least from what I read that it seems that he needs an extra component if he wants to use the original MAHO gearbox (other option would be to use a VFD, but I understsand he is not going for it)
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[15:35:23] <jthornton> there is a gearchange component
[15:36:13] <jthornton> if you want to learn ladder you could do the classic traffic light or garage door opener exercise with classicladder and pyvcp
[15:36:41] <fragalot_> does anyone know if I can use ER25 collets in a schaublin E25 high-speed head?
[15:42:23] <Jin^eLD> jthornton: well, I dont want to learn ladder if I dont have to :) I currently seem to fail to understand how this whole stuff is used, I looked at the gearchnge component you mentioned, but would use it and how? all those hal components define input and output pins the way the component author likes it, and this confuses me in the sense that I dont get what the API towards linuxcnc is.. i mean, OK, you can connect all the pins the way
[15:42:26] <Jin^eLD> you want them, but that means that the one who uses the pin connetions of the particular component defines the API?
[15:43:26] <jthornton> what's an API?
[15:44:19] <Jin^eLD> ehm, application programming interface
[15:44:30] <jthornton> is that a windows thing?
[15:44:44] <Jin^eLD> no, its a generic programming term
[15:44:57] <jthornton> ah ok
[15:45:06] <Jin^eLD> when you have two modues and you want them to talk to each other, then you need to define an interface
[15:45:20] <jthornton> HAL is the interface
[15:45:44] <Jin^eLD> HAL itself is an interface towards "further up"
[15:45:51] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[15:46:01] <Jin^eLD> I understand what the purpose of HAL is
[15:46:22] <jthornton> what do you mean by "futher up"
[15:46:53] <Jin^eLD> by the part of the software that uses HAL
[15:47:12] <Jin^eLD> i.e. by the part that does not care about hardware details, which are hidden by HAL
[15:48:14] <jthornton> sorry I don't understand what your looking for
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[15:50:02] <jthornton> as an integrator HAL and the components are your main tools to configure the machine connection and classicladder
[15:51:09] * jthornton wonders why debian 9 apt-get install python3-pyqt5 fails to find the package yet it is in the Synaptic Package Manager
[15:51:25] <Jin^eLD> but how do I know what pins in the hal component to implement? towards the machine its clear, for instance I know i have a card with 12 pins and I know which pins to set to 1 or to 0 if I want get a certain spindle speed
[15:52:08] <Jin^eLD> so here is me, alone with my knowledge, say I implemented that in the component... but who tells me to set the speed? and how is my component told that now someone wants me to set the speed?
[15:52:45] <Jin^eLD> (imagining that "I" am the component now), so from the components perspective - who tells me what to do?
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[15:53:26] <Jin^eLD> I know how to do it, but who tells me "set speed xyz now"?
[15:53:37] <jthornton> well I imagine G code would be what tells the spindle what speed to run
[15:54:25] <Jin^eLD> right, but thats on a much higher level, abstracted by HAL
[15:54:56] <Jin^eLD> how does the command from G code reach my component? and here I would expect this interface i was talking about
[15:55:06] <Jin^eLD> like, "set_speed_command 123"
[15:55:19] <Jin^eLD> and i do my magic with the pins
[15:56:09] <Jin^eLD> maybe I look at this too much from a programmers point of view... usually when you write plugins you have an API that you have to implement, some callbacks or whatever
[15:57:00] <jthornton> motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs
[15:57:59] <jthornton> do you have linuxcnc installed on your pc?
[15:58:40] <Jin^eLD> I do, i compiled the latest release
[15:58:47] <Jin^eLD> reading up on the motion thing now
[15:58:51] <jthornton> run the axis simulator
[15:59:13] <Jin^eLD> ok one sec
[15:59:21] <jthornton> then open the Show HAL Configuration
[16:00:00] <jthornton> start the sim and home it
[16:01:06] <jthornton> brb checking the ribs
[16:02:31] <Tom_L> mmmmm ribs...
[16:02:37] <Jin^eLD> not sure how to run it, the play button is greyed out
[16:02:41] <jthornton> low and slow buddy
[16:02:57] <Jin^eLD> but I think this might indeed be what I was looking for, commands or pins that I need to implement in my component
[16:02:59] <jthornton> press the estop the red x
[16:03:10] <jthornton> then press the power button
[16:03:23] <jthornton> circle with a |
[16:03:38] <jthornton> then press home all
[16:03:56] <jthornton> there is no play button :)
[16:04:20] <Tom_L> awww
[16:04:49] <Jin^eLD> it complaints about something exceedingonthe z axis
[16:05:01] <jthornton> you went too far
[16:05:08] <jthornton> are you homed?
[16:05:09] <Tom_L> yeah you're out of bounds
[16:05:12] <Tom_L> fowl!!
[16:05:18] <Jin^eLD> well the "begin execution button" kinda looks like play :)
[16:05:27] <Tom_L> ball goes to the other team now..
[16:05:36] <jthornton> aye, are you homed?
[16:05:44] <Jin^eLD> I pressed "home all"
[16:05:50] <Jin^eLD> and it did move around weirdly
[16:05:55] <jthornton> open machine show hal configuration
[16:06:05] <Tom_L> you could have some switches reversed as well
[16:06:29] <Jin^eLD> I have it open
[16:06:38] <jthornton> click on the watch window and add the motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs pin
[16:08:01] <Jin^eLD> I see it, I cant run the sim though, but I expect this value to change
[16:08:11] <Jin^eLD> so basically this would be my api? http://www.linuxcnc.org
[16:08:16] <jthornton> your trying to get ahead of me
[16:08:17] <Jin^eLD> I implement those pins in my component
[16:08:29] <jthornton> do you have that pin in the watch window?
[16:08:32] <Jin^eLD> and thats how I am being talked to? via those commands
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[16:08:47] <Jin^eLD> I do yes
[16:09:06] <jthornton> in axis select the MDI tab
[16:09:28] <jthornton> then type S300 and press enter and nothing changes
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[16:09:55] <Jin^eLD> done
[16:10:02] <jthornton> then type m3 and press enter and watch the value of motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs change
[16:10:21] <Jin^eLD> it does
[16:10:55] <jthornton> so you can connect that pin to your component and with logic figure out what output to turn on in your component
[16:11:40] <Jin^eLD> thank you :) thats the interface that I was looking for
[16:12:02] <Jin^eLD> list of pins to implement that define the api
[16:12:03] <jthornton> now add motion.spindle-speed-out-rps to the watch window
[16:12:28] <jthornton> then type m4 and enter in the mdi
[16:13:41] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[16:13:48] <Jin^eLD> both change
[16:13:56] <Jin^eLD> which makes sense
[16:14:05] <jthornton> yes but one is -5 and one is 5
[16:14:22] <Jin^eLD> for some reason both are -5 here
[16:14:45] <Jin^eLD> ah no, sorry
[16:14:46] <jthornton> if you scroll down to the bottom of that webpage you can see all the commands, userspace components and realtime componnets
[16:14:50] <Jin^eLD> I had the wrongone selected, not the abs
[16:14:54] <Jin^eLD> abs is 5 of course
[16:14:57] <jthornton> aye
[16:15:55] <Jin^eLD> I did look at the rtapi, which is also important of course
[16:16:15] <Jin^eLD> but I was failing to find this pin-api that you explained just now
[16:16:17] <jthornton> you can connect the output of your spindle speed component to some pyvcp leds while testing
[16:16:43] <jthornton> and use the mdi window to send G code
[16:16:51] <Jin^eLD> thats my plan, to rig this whole thing first
[16:17:12] <Jin^eLD> then once it works in the sim he'll connet some hardware with lamps, not yet the machine
[16:17:23] <jthornton> you can do this either in a component or in classicladder
[16:17:37] <Jin^eLD> component is probably easier for me
[16:17:43] <Jin^eLD> I know C quite well
[16:18:03] <jthornton> ah yes ladder would be a bit strange then it has some funny rules
[16:18:12] <Jin^eLD> :)
[16:18:20] <jthornton> the meanest is last one wins
[16:18:45] <jthornton> that gets so many plc programmers when they start out
[16:19:19] * jthornton wanders off to check up on the chickens
[16:19:41] <Jin^eLD> :)
[16:19:58] <Jin^eLD> thank you! your explanations helped me a lot
[16:20:06] <Jin^eLD> at least I now think that I know how to continue
[16:20:21] <Jin^eLD> and the picture is much clearer now
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[16:20:51] <fragalot_> Jin^eLD: would you mind keeping us in the loop?
[16:21:03] <fragalot_> I know of someone with a maho 700 that would like to know how this turns out
[16:21:54] <Jin^eLD> fragalot: i suggest to follow the thread I posted earlier, thats the thread of my buddy whom I am helping, he'll be posting about our progress
[16:22:04] <fragalot_> can you link it again? it's beyond my scroll buffer
[16:22:07] <Jin^eLD> but I will surely pester you guys here with questions too :)
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[16:22:22] <Jin^eLD> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[16:22:24] <fragalot_> thx
[16:22:27] <Jin^eLD> np
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[16:39:20] <JT-Shop> that's one complicated gear box lol
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[16:44:06] <SpeedEvil> 'Well, my project is over, and on the plus side, only four people were killed when the gearbox setting went wrong and spun the part up to 48000RPM backwards'
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[16:50:56] <JT-Shop> lol
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[17:02:52] <Jin^eLD> lol ))
[17:03:01] <Jin^eLD> lets hope it does not end like that
[17:03:22] <Jin^eLD> I'll make sure not to be around when my code gets tested in real life ;)
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[17:16:36] <XXCoder> wow they cleaned up the site! http://sevspace.com
[17:16:44] <XXCoder> it used to be super awful
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[19:21:09] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[19:21:46] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
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[20:18:54] <Tom_L> skunkworks, makes more sense now
[20:19:20] <skunkworks> ?)
[20:19:22] <skunkworks> :)
[20:19:36] <skunkworks> I think I am going to make it 5"
[20:19:44] <skunkworks> I can always make it shorter..
[20:19:52] <Tom_L> i added 2" to mine last night now i gotta re'tram it all
[20:20:30] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[20:20:31] <skunkworks> when I am all done - depending on how well things like up - I can always grind the surfaces
[20:20:47] <skunkworks> awesome!
[20:21:00] <Tom_L> for that little machine i think it will do fine
[20:22:03] <skunkworks> *mating surfaces..
[20:22:05] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[20:22:17] <Tom_L> i may have to get a tiny bit thicker sacrificial block but it gives me more travel for the vise
[20:22:20] <skunkworks> it fit together awesome. Like I measured it or something.
[20:22:43] <Tom_L> hah
[20:23:06] <skunkworks> right - as of now - 4 inches of rise - almost any tool in the spindle will be touching the table.
[20:23:13] <Tom_L> it's awesome when you have machines to build machines...
[20:23:21] <skunkworks> so - 5 will make a vice less painful
[20:23:24] <XXCoder> machines all way in
[20:25:12] <Tom_L> may start checking it tomorrow or tuesday
[20:25:31] <skunkworks> yes - we really lucked out when dad pulled the K&T out of the junk yard...
[20:25:40] <skunkworks> also a great learning experience.
[20:25:46] <Tom_L> yeah
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[20:26:14] <skunkworks> not to mention that for 68' The machine is really awesome
[20:26:52] <Tom_L> metal was real then
[20:27:12] <skunkworks> not much skimping
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[20:30:14] <{HD}> Hey, anyone know about flatcam or pcb2gcode? I am having unusual results with both. Here are some pictures and a short description: https://github.com
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[21:04:46] <skunkworks> hazzy-lab: http://electronicsam.com
[21:05:45] <hazzy-lab> skunkworks: Very nice!
[21:06:17] <XXCoder> lathe rail?
[21:06:46] <hazzy-lab> I like the way you have it go up to support the column better
[21:07:09] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: mill column
[21:07:11] <Kevin`> i'm currently running linuxcnc on debian wheezy. is that still current? updated?
[21:07:16] <XXCoder> ahh nice
[21:07:33] <TurBoss> Kevin`: its current
[21:07:49] <XXCoder> curious if linuxcnc changes variable names with updates?
[21:09:06] <skunkworks> hazzy-lab: I had enough iron to do it.. :)
[21:09:31] <XXCoder> ie HAL works on older version and newer without changes
[21:09:54] <skunkworks> I keyed it into the column and base.. (well - the base part isn't done yet... - but it is mounted in the mill, trammed and probed)
[21:10:06] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[21:11:02] <skunkworks> XXCoder: if there was - it would be in the change logs. I know there have been some conical name changes to make things more consistant..
[21:12:28] <XXCoder> not too bad
[21:12:36] <XXCoder> marlin seems to set variable names on wind
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[21:48:10] <{HD}> Wolf__: added some better pictures of my laser issues. KicadStuffs/Issues I have been having/flatcam_result_1808122000.JPG
[21:48:28] <XXCoder> url dont work
[21:49:27] <{HD}> XXCoder: dang!
[21:49:40] <Wolf__> fail =P
[21:50:13] <{HD}> https://github.com
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[21:50:33] <{HD}> Thats what I get for using the github copy link button
[21:51:29] <XXCoder> looks like it dont quite turn off between engrave points
[21:51:32] <Wolf__> strange
[21:52:19] <{HD}> XXCoder: oh yeah, don’t mind that. I did that on purpose so I could see if the air was coming into the cut or going out of the cut.
[21:52:46] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[21:52:52] <{HD}> The issue is that last little leg isnt contacting the rest of the circle. There’s that little piece of black pie.
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[21:53:15] <XXCoder> the circles at bottom left looks bit squat
[21:53:43] <XXCoder> I also see misalignment at circle near your pointer
[21:53:53] <XXCoder> similiar placement eveb
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[21:54:13] <XXCoder> the one to up and left of arrow has same problem
[21:54:29] <XXCoder> all ones I can see have similiar issue
[21:54:38] <XXCoder> rest is too blurry
[21:55:03] <{HD}> Yes the issue is a parent with almost every circle cut. The circles at the very bottom are generated with different G code so those have different problems all together. Yes this is a macro shot and it’s difficult to get much more than I have in focus at once.
[21:55:06] <XXCoder> I suggest brighter light so lens open shorter time, meaning less blur
[21:55:12] <{HD}> Yes the issue is a parent with almost every circle cut. The circles at the very bottom are generated with different G code so those have different problems all together. Yes this is a macro shot and it’s difficult to get much more than I have in focus at once.
[21:55:22] <XXCoder> I HIGHLY recommand ikea led light. very bright and cheap
[21:55:54] <{HD}> For my photos or just in general?
[21:56:02] <XXCoder> both reallyt
[21:56:19] <XXCoder> but photography bighter light means less blur as general rule
[21:59:02] <{HD}> Yep. I could probably take a better photo pretty easily. To put it into perspective the ID of those circles is a scoosch less than an eighth.
[21:59:05] <Wolf__> moar light = quicker shutter speed
[21:59:09] <{HD}> “
[21:59:29] <Wolf__> I say its norias fault
[21:59:52] <norias> probably
[21:59:55] <{HD}> Moar light = tighter aperture = more focus.
[22:00:08] <{HD}> It was on a tripod anyway...
[22:00:29] <Wolf__> anyways =) can you paste bin the nc for that?
[22:00:49] <{HD}> Wolf__: step back and all the support files are there
[22:01:24] <XXCoder> for micro I use pretty bright light, flash isnt enough
[22:01:32] <Wolf__> shouldn’t be to hard to figure out if its a hardware or cam processor issue
[22:01:34] <XXCoder> I use my 500 lumen flashlight for it
[22:03:05] <Wolf__> wtf its all xy steps to do that?
[22:05:03] <{HD}> Wolf__: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:05:31] <Wolf__> what control on your laser?
[22:05:39] <XXCoder> wild guess, manual
[22:05:44] <XXCoder> just switch on.
[22:05:52] <{HD}> The G code was generated by flat cam or PCB to G code depending on which file you’re looking At.
[22:05:55] <Wolf__> I mean cnc controller flavor
[22:05:58] <XXCoder> my cnc router orginial "spindle" I had to turn on and off myself lol
[22:06:28] <{HD}> Its a elekslaser 5.5. I am running grbl 1.1 with laserweb
[22:07:12] <Wolf__> =/ I hate to admit that I haven’t looked at the gcode my laser runs lol
[22:07:15] <{HD}> XXCoder: I have a new 4 kilowatt spindle for my C&C machine I haven’t hooked in yet. I am looking forward to setting up the VFD.
[22:07:58] <XXCoder> nice! thats way more powerful than mine
[22:08:01] <XXCoder> mines just 400w
[22:08:28] <Wolf__> my laser is running smoothie w/ laser web
[22:11:49] <{HD}> Wolf__: give the G code a test burn. See if you have that same little leg. I am currently burning off flat black spray paint from a copper clad PCB.
[22:12:39] <XXCoder> hm didnt think of bad cam intertering
[22:12:40] <Wolf__> I can do that, tho no copper clad in the garage, its all at my other place
[22:12:44] <XXCoder> interpetering
[22:13:00] <XXCoder> Wolf__: honestly anything that leaves a mark would work lol
[22:13:13] <Wolf__> yeah, I was going to use cardboard
[22:14:40] <{HD}> You might not get the resolution necessary on cardboard. The error in question is .07 mm...ish
[22:14:53] <Wolf__> hmm
[22:15:10] <Wolf__> I’ll see what I have to use
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[22:20:26] <{HD}> All right this is as good as it’s going to get. At least for now.
[22:20:38] <{HD}> The new photo is on that page now
[22:21:54] <{HD}> That ruler is in inches btw
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[22:26:28] <wolf_100w> ok lets see what I have to work with out here
[22:26:50] <{HD}> 100w apparently
[22:27:12] <wolf_100w> I wish
[22:27:45] <XXCoder> 100cw
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[22:33:56] <{HD}> Latest pic if you didn’t see that msg: https://github.com
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[22:35:35] <wolf_100w> ok looking
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[22:39:44] <wolf_100w> is that a inch scale
[22:39:57] <{HD}> Wolf__: yep
[22:40:17] <{HD}> But each line is .01
[22:41:02] <wolf_100w> yeah 10th engineer scale
[22:41:17] <{HD}> Yep.
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[22:43:52] <{HD}> I need a metric version but I’ve never gotten around to acquiring one.
[22:44:33] <wolf_100w> https://i.imgur.com waiting on paint to dry on steel
[22:46:43] <{HD}> Hum hard to tell in that pic. The circles on the bottom appear to have some kind of issue.
[22:48:25] <wolf_100w> https://i.imgur.com
[22:48:55] <wolf_100w> my table isnt deep enough so my focus is off some
[22:49:39] <XXCoder> hard to tell, think I can see same gaps though
[22:50:14] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[22:50:41] <{HD}> Looks like a similar issue. So I wonder if that means I’m leaning most towards the G code. Or I guess I could still be laser web since that’s what we’re both using.
[22:51:14] <XXCoder> wonder if laser focus size setting and actual focus burn area size isnt agreeing?
[22:51:30] <norias> _fuck_
[22:51:41] <{HD}> Gasp!
[22:52:49] <wolf_100w> that was the flat cam one, trying the p2 now
[22:53:01] <{HD}> XXCoder: how do you mean? You mean the burn width versus what I have it set to in code.
[22:53:17] <wolf_100w> then I'll try the nc direct on the smoothie
[22:53:46] <{HD}> Wolf__: direct on the smoothie? Neat.
[22:53:49] <XXCoder> yeah though I kinda doubt it, as it would be much more consisent
[22:54:16] <{HD}> XXCoder: right its only in the same spots around the circles.
[22:54:44] <wolf_100w> p2 came out ugly
[22:55:07] <{HD}> I kind of think it’s associated with acceleration. The last pass is the opposite direction of the four previous passes. Which means whatever slight error you get in circles based on acceleration would be opposite that for that last pass. Does that make sense?
[22:56:06] <{HD}> But then again all of your settings are probably different than my own. And the errors look almost identical. So…?
[22:58:10] <{HD}> I wish flat cam had an option to make all passes of isolation routing the same direction.
[22:58:34] <{HD}> I think that would solve The problem
[23:00:04] <wolf_100w> ok yeah, that p2 file just sucks lol
[23:00:49] <{HD}> Wolf__: lol. Picture! That one hasn’t been tweaked at all.
[23:01:13] <{HD}> Is it worse the the picture I have of the p2 file?
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[23:01:54] <{HD}> Whoops I keep mentioning the wrong Wolf__
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[23:04:49] <wolf_100w> same wolf, just too many instances
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[23:07:15] <XXCoder> aw. toggle gif plugin is still not compitable. I miss that plugin so hard
[23:08:34] <wolf_100w> {HD}: https://i.imgur.com both direct off smoothie sd card
[23:08:59] <XXCoder> yep I see same issue
[23:09:11] <XXCoder> burn width is larger so its hiding better but its still there
[23:11:24] <{HD}> Wolf__: looks better...? What do you think?
[23:11:34] <{HD}> Burn the metal
[23:12:24] <{HD}> I like that piece of wood the cardboard is on top of. What is that, Oak?
[23:12:54] <wolf_100w> yeah oak ply scrap I had laying around
[23:13:22] <wolf_100w> 550mm x 550mm table on this thing
[23:13:28] <{HD}> I had to get my extension tubes out for my macro photos.
[23:13:47] <{HD}> Thats big
[23:14:00] <wolf_100w> derp, 500x500 useable
[23:15:30] <wolf_100w> ok going back in the house now, its hot and humid af out here
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[23:16:37] <{HD}> Wolf__: so whats the conclusion? Bad gcode?
[23:17:31] <Wolf__> yeah its in the cam
[23:18:52] <{HD}> Ugh. So, what do I do now? Ha...
[23:19:25] <Wolf__> run cam with a smaller dot size
[23:19:46] <Wolf__> looks more like its just missing part of the engraving area
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[23:20:19] <Wolf__> that error might be visible in laser web when you load the NC file
[23:20:29] <Wolf__> but I didn’t think to zoom in and look
[23:21:31] <Wolf__> my test on steel didn’t work well the 2nd time, all I had for black paint here is textured rustolum
[23:21:39] <{HD}> Wolf__: I don’t see the error from laserweb gui
[23:22:04] <Wolf__> that missed spot, on the NC plot
[23:23:42] <{HD}> I have also tried very small tool size and more passes but I always have those little legs.
[23:23:58] <Wolf__> weird
[23:24:51] <Wolf__> I have been doing my stuff from DXF import in to laser web
[23:25:31] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[23:25:36] <Wolf__> I have laserweb cam to gcode file, then send it to smoothie SD and then run it direct
[23:25:38] <{HD}> You can see here that the earlier versions were even worse.
[23:25:58] <{HD}> So you definitely get better results running a direct as opposed to sending it trickle from laser web?
[23:26:16] <Wolf__> usb sucks for live data
[23:26:43] <Wolf__> you know, it could be lens vibration
[23:27:27] <Wolf__> I wish I had better paint and copper clad to mess with
[23:27:36] <Wolf__> and AC where the laser is
[23:30:34] <Tom_L> i got a pile if you wanna come get it
[23:30:55] <Wolf__> I have a 4’x8’ sheet at my shop…
[23:31:06] <Wolf__> came with my house…
[23:31:13] <{HD}> Wow
[23:31:15] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:31:33] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:31:53] <Wolf__> damn Tom_L wins
[23:32:01] <Tom_L> that's all i kept
[23:32:05] <{HD}> But why?
[23:32:08] <Tom_L> well i've got several of the big sheets
[23:32:13] <Tom_L> i had 2 pickup loads
[23:32:22] <{HD}> From where?
[23:32:24] <Tom_L> cause i didn't need it all
[23:32:36] <Tom_L> a closed boardhouse i got the stock from
[23:32:44] <Tom_L> and random cutoffs
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[23:33:36] <Wolf__> I know who to bug for a flat rate game board box full when I run out =]
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[23:34:01] <Tom_L> i'm about tired of tripping over it
[23:34:42] <Tom_L> the big sheet was full sheets but i cut them in half to store
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[23:38:28] <{HD}> Wolf__: the testpcb files are in that data. And the exported gerber is in there too if you wanted to go crazy! I am going to try a different cam.
[23:39:19] <Wolf__> Tom_L: where are you at?
[23:39:57] <Wolf__> {HD}: I havent tried going from board design to laser, yet
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[23:43:29] <{HD}> Just for fun I am trying “universal G code sender“
[23:49:56] <{HD}> Same error :-(
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