#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-08-14
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[01:47:02] <c-log> selroc: Nothing has been logged today, #linuxcnc index http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[06:00:50] <jthornton> morning
[06:11:42] <jthornton> .weather
[06:12:01] <jthornton> hmm the cockerel is off line
[06:12:25] <XXCoder> aww
[06:12:27] <XXCoder> hey
[06:12:34] <jthornton> hey
[06:12:35] <XXCoder> tomorrow is going to be nightmare
[06:12:50] <XXCoder> 90f but humidity at high level, AND high smoke levels
[06:12:56] <jthornton> 70% chance of T storms today
[06:13:17] <jthornton> 73F 100% here
[06:13:26] <XXCoder> ow
[06:13:33] <jthornton> wow our high is only 80F today
[06:13:50] <XXCoder> 90f 90%, and smoke
[06:13:56] <XXCoder> smoke here is so bad its like fog
[06:13:58] <XXCoder> but its not
[06:14:09] <jthornton> smoke from forest fires?
[06:14:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:14:25] <XXCoder> it already stopped I think
[06:14:34] <XXCoder> but smoke dont just disappear like in game or something lol
[06:15:47] <jthornton> installing debian 9 again this morning, I finally figured out the linuxcnc repos lol
[06:17:10] <XXCoder> yay :)
[06:17:32] <XXCoder> ugh monday will be hot hell so far. I hope they correct it down to 80s
[06:19:52] <jthornton> I started building cat bypass pipes for the Can Am Spyder Friday, I need to make 25 or so quick
[06:20:33] <jthornton> http://spyderstore.com
[06:20:58] <XXCoder> isnt those less than legal
[06:22:22] <jthornton> I think that depends on the state, most motorcycles don't have them
[06:22:43] <XXCoder> interesting. I was thinking cars lol
[06:22:52] <XXCoder> but then url should have been a hint
[06:23:10] <jthornton> http://spyderstore.com
[06:23:13] <jthornton> main page
[06:23:27] <XXCoder> ya know of that
[06:23:33] <XXCoder> just didnt read full url lol
[06:23:47] <jthornton> that's the one I have but my trailer color is a different shade of blue
[06:24:36] <XXCoder> cool :)
[06:24:40] <jthornton> trailer is 2010 and the bike is 2012
[06:24:46] <XXCoder> all I want is elio, but porobably finally get one by 2020
[06:25:25] <jthornton> how are they doing?
[06:25:49] <XXCoder> dunno, been quiet
[06:25:54] <XXCoder> just hope they dont fail.
[06:26:06] <jthornton> sounds like I've caught another coon on the deck... they just keep coming
[06:28:30] <Tom_L> are they after the eggs?
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[06:28:59] <jthornton> no, there are never any eggs outside at night
[06:29:38] <jthornton> caught a huge one yesterday
[06:30:52] <Tom_L> we had the storm last evening. nice heavy downpour
[06:31:12] <jthornton> once a coon starts coming on your deck they keep coming back and crapping all over
[06:31:51] <Tom_L> you get any canadian geese there?
[06:31:57] <Tom_L> they're all over the place here
[06:32:30] <jthornton> we have some but they prefer the flat land
[06:33:10] <jthornton> looks like a pretty good cell of rain to the southwest of me in north west arkansas
[06:34:27] <jthornton> got some low spots in the chicken yard I'm trying to fill up, have to haul it in with a wheelbarrow
[06:36:19] <jthornton> installing debian 9 for the millionth time lol
[06:47:57] <jthornton> my neighbor has been having a problem with coons eating eggs at night
[06:50:08] <Loetmichel> coons being intelligent enough to open the coop doors?
[06:50:46] <jthornton> she is a little lax on doors but yea a coon can open some doors
[06:51:11] <jthornton> her coops are more of a free form, whatever she has is a coop
[06:51:25] <jthornton> a lot of her birds roost in the trees
[06:52:02] <Loetmichel> i imagine that being "fun" when searching the eggs anyways ;)
[06:52:58] <jthornton> yea she has to do an easter egg hunt every day lol
[06:53:47] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[06:54:02] <jthornton> I see mine when they roll out lol
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[07:26:23] <fragalot> Hey
[07:28:46] <jthornton> hey
[07:29:52] <XXCoder> I wonder if coons could be fooled with fake handles
[07:32:07] <fragalot> just give them cotton candy until they get depressed
[07:32:52] <XXCoder> lol
[07:36:40] <jthornton> connect 240v to the inside so when they pull the handle down they get shocked
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[07:41:45] <XXCoder> till some human walks in and get shocked also
[07:42:31] <jthornton> bet they don't do it twice
[07:43:06] <fragalot> don't forget the saline bath
[07:43:28] <fragalot> actually, liquidized sand could be fun
[07:43:43] <fragalot> put air hoses underneath a sand pit that's about 1m deep
[07:43:51] <fragalot> if the handle is touched, switch on the air for 2 seconds
[07:44:34] <jthornton> now that sounds like more fun than watching a dog touch the hot wire with his nose
[07:44:53] <fragalot> :D
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[08:22:40] <jthornton> finally got the test connection to 7i96 working... time to start my day
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[08:46:35] <JT-Shop> some guy from Iran wants to purchase a card from me...
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[08:52:15] <elmo40> JT-Shop, what are shipping costs to Iran?
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[09:02:42] <fragalot> JT-Shop: contrary to popular belief, they are people too :P
[09:04:16] <JT-Shop> elmo40: don't know
[09:04:35] <JT-Shop> fragalot: yes but I wonder if USPS ships to Iran
[09:04:58] <fragalot> easy enough to find out
[09:09:24] <JT-Shop> yea, I'll look when it starts raining... got some outside chores to get done first
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[11:11:15] <Simonious> Man I get frustrated with solidworks.. my version can't even apply an image to a face.
[11:13:27] <MrHindsight> JT-Shop: check the embargo list, the EU opened up trade back to Iran, not sure if the Mesa card is eligible
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[11:18:29] <holzjunkie1> moin / hy @all
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[11:34:26] <JT-Shop> MrHindsight: thanks
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[11:52:05] <ziper> someone stole the files with my die filer
[11:52:13] <ziper> are they supposed to cut on the pull stroke?
[11:52:54] <ziper> I guess I could just put a regular file in upside down
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[12:02:29] <Deejay> hmm, spooky. freenode said, cannot change nick while banned...
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[12:32:26] <jesseg> Deejay, that might mean that un-registered nicks would be banned, and by changing nicks it would no longer see you as a registered nick?
[12:35:57] <fragalot> unless if the nick is linked
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[12:51:36] <dasbrow> Hello all, this newbie could use a little clarity. I would like to dump my cheap Chinese 5 axis cnc board and upgoraddowne to maybe a mesa card. It would be nice to keep the cost down. Though my biggest issue is understanding which card I need, searching the forum I see a lot of this board + that board. Is there a single board solution that still uses the parallel port?
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[12:54:49] <fragalot> JT-Shop: dasbrow needs ya :-)
[12:54:54] * fragalot away!
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[12:57:00] <jdh> 7i43 + 1 or 2 daughterboards
[12:57:12] <jdh> so, not really
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[12:59:16] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, i never shipped to Iran fwiw
[12:59:22] <dasbrow> they have the 7i43 but it's USB,
[12:59:48] <dasbrow> sorry hit enter before I as done typing.
[13:00:05] <Tom_L> dasbrow is it a stepper system?
[13:00:09] <dasbrow> yes
[13:00:16] <Tom_L> skip the 7i43
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[13:00:22] <Tom_L> 7i90 is what you want
[13:00:27] <Tom_L> cheaper with more IO
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[13:00:49] <Tom_L> and you will probalby want a daughter card for it
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[13:01:25] <Tom_L> i'm not sure pcw even pushes the 7i43 anymore although it's probably still available
[13:01:31] <dasbrow> would the 7i90hd work?
[13:01:39] <Tom_L> for a parallel port?
[13:01:43] <Tom_L> absolutely
[13:02:03] <Tom_L> i've got one on my mill
[13:02:30] <jdh> why?
[13:02:31] <Tom_L> if you want ethernet the 7i80 is basically the same card with ethernet instead of parallel port input
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[13:02:51] <Tom_L> jdh why what?
[13:03:04] <JT-Shop> or if you don't have a lot of i/o a 7i96
[13:03:06] <jdh> why use a pport card in 2018
[13:03:14] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I sent him to eusurplus
[13:03:22] <Tom_L> because maybe you have an old pc that has one?
[13:03:34] <Tom_L> and it works fabulous for linuxcnc
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[13:03:59] <Tom_L> why are we still using keyboards in 2018??
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[13:04:04] <dasbrow> what else did you need to hook it up?
[13:04:15] <dasbrow> daughter card wise
[13:04:24] <Tom_L> i added a 7i47s card on mine but there are several that will work fine
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[13:04:41] <JT-Shop> a 7i96 does not need a daughter card so the whole shebang is $120
[13:04:45] <Tom_L> the "S" adds analog spindle control
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[13:05:15] <Tom_L> 7i96 one of his newest cards?
[13:05:22] <Tom_L> must be...
[13:05:26] <JT-Shop> https://mesaus.com
[13:05:30] <JT-Shop> aye
[13:05:51] <JT-Shop> a bit less i/o than the 7i76e
[13:06:06] <Tom_L> dasbrow how much IO do you need?
[13:06:29] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, does it have a spindle option?
[13:06:33] <JT-Shop> so if you don't have more than 11 inputs and 5 outputs its $120 vs $200
[13:06:51] <JT-Shop> yes, you only have 4 stepgens with a pwm output
[13:06:59] <dasbrow> I currelty have 3 axis and will add a 4th down the road. spindle control would be nice since i am spending the money.
[13:07:19] <jdh> click and buy!
[13:07:31] <dasbrow> mesaus.com vs mesanet.com?
[13:07:36] <Tom_L> well i went with the 7i90 with a 7i47s card but there are more options available now
[13:07:40] <dasbrow> I am in Canada.
[13:07:49] <JT-Shop> I'm even writing a simple to understand 7i96 configuration tool
[13:07:51] <Tom_L> mesaus is a distributor
[13:07:59] <Tom_L> he knows his sheet
[13:08:01] <JT-Shop> I'm cheaper on shipping
[13:08:19] <Tom_L> and he may even be here if you look around
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[13:08:48] <jdh> both of them
[13:09:04] <Tom_L> /s/he/they
[13:09:25] <JT-Shop> maybe more than once too
[13:09:47] <Tom_L> aparently it rained here this am too..
[13:10:01] <Tom_L> i was hiding so i didn't notice
[13:10:48] <dasbrow> do I need a daughter board for the 7I96e?
[13:10:56] <JT-Shop> we just got a shower
[13:11:05] <Tom_L> dasbrow aparently not
[13:11:15] <JT-Shop> dasbrow: it's a 7i96 and no you don't need anything else
[13:11:16] <Tom_L> but make sure it's got enough IO for you
[13:11:33] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, does it have output for sserial?
[13:11:40] <Tom_L> differential pair
[13:11:45] <JT-Shop> yes so you can add i/o down the line
[13:12:26] <Tom_L> next issue is whether his PC will be fast enough to run preempt-rt
[13:12:39] <Tom_L> since it's an ethernet card
[13:12:59] <dasbrow> You were not joking when you said your shipping is cheaper. I could buy 2 boards for the price of their shipping.
[13:13:25] <JT-Shop> I only allow first class to countries that report back tracking
[13:13:36] <JT-Shop> canada is one that does
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[13:13:59] <Tom_L> jt ships via pack mule. they work cheap
[13:14:08] <dasbrow> I have plenty of machines here. I will find one that works.
[13:14:26] <JT-Shop> dasbrow: https://github.com
[13:14:31] <JT-Shop> the configuration tool
[13:14:32] <Tom_L> the 7i96 would probably do fine for you
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[13:15:41] <JT-Shop> hazzy-lab: !
[13:15:51] <dasbrow> Down the road if I need more i/o I can just add something like the 7i69?
[13:16:06] <Tom_L> add a sserial card for extended IO
[13:16:22] <Tom_L> not sure what the 7i69 is off hand
[13:16:41] <dasbrow> https://mesaus.com
[13:17:18] <hazzy-lab> JT-Shop: Hey JT!
[13:17:29] <Tom_L> generally ppl put switches, buttons, pendants and other non time-critical functions on the sserial
[13:17:47] <dasbrow> I have a usb pendant.
[13:18:40] <Tom_L> you won't be using USB with linuxcnc unless somebody has a USB pendant already
[13:18:50] <Tom_L> not sure about that
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[13:19:44] <dasbrow> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[13:19:54] <dasbrow> that's what I got.
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[13:20:35] <Tom_L> it aparently has a HID component you can use. i've never used it
[13:21:33] <Tom_L> http://hidcomp.sourceforge.net
[13:21:36] <Tom_L> also saw that
[13:21:56] <dasbrow> That was easy to research haha, the control boards confused me :)
[13:22:17] <Tom_L> they're easy but we're here to help
[13:22:39] <dasbrow> the help is greatly appreciated.
[13:23:35] <dasbrow> Last question, with 6 outputs I should be able to do 6 axis if I wanted to correct?
[13:23:51] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[13:24:08] <Tom_L> each axis reqires step and direction
[13:24:27] <Tom_L> and usually enable
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[13:26:28] <JT-Shop> hazzy-lab: grab the latest and check out help about and test connection
[13:27:07] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: I have a usb gamepad on the plasma to jog with
[13:27:26] <hazzy-lab> JT-Shop: I will!
[13:27:53] <Tom_L> shouldn't be a problem for him then
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[13:41:00] <dasbrow> in my set up I have 5v going to step +, dir+, en+ then 1 pin for each dir- and step- going to the board, all the enables share a pin. Maybe I should spend the money on more IO
[13:42:01] <JT-Shop> the stepgen pins are separate from the i/o
[13:42:14] <JT-Shop> http://www.mesanet.com
[13:42:25] <dasbrow> maybe I should rtfm
[13:42:39] <JT-Shop> lol
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[13:43:03] <dasbrow> I see you were thinking the same thing.
[13:43:05] <dasbrow> haha
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[13:54:58] <JT-Shop> dasbrow: do you have a Linux PC now?
[13:55:57] <dasbrow> yes, the mill is all working at this point, have not made any chips yet. The cheap chinese board I received in the stepper kit has 2 dead ports already, I just don't want problems down the road.
[13:56:17] <dasbrow> pins
[13:59:10] <JT-Shop> download the configuration tool I wrote and give it a spin if you don't mind I can use some feedback
[13:59:21] <JT-Shop> https://github.com
[13:59:24] <dasbrow> before or after I get the board?
[14:00:27] <dasbrow> I can change the firmware right?
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[14:01:15] <dasbrow> eeww python haha
[14:02:11] <JT-Shop> you can run the configuration tool at any time
[14:02:51] <JT-Shop> yea you can change it, I flash the correct firmware based on the choice you make
[14:04:22] <dasbrow> just checking out, mesaus.com is your store?
[14:04:30] <JT-Shop> aye
[14:04:57] <JT-Shop> you program in C or C++?
[14:05:00] <dasbrow> does first class shipping include tracking?
[14:05:16] <JT-Shop> yes
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[14:06:36] <dasbrow> C, C++, Java, mostly php now - I do all web apps now and some stm32 arm stuff. Python is fine, I was just kidding. It's not in JAVA - i have java ptsd from a project I support.
[14:06:53] <JT-Shop> cool
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[14:08:26] <dasbrow> ordered, thanks for your help - it hurt the Canadian dollar sucks!
[14:08:43] <fragalot> :P
[14:08:55] <JT-Shop> I will ship it in the morning past pickup time today
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[14:12:53] <dasbrow> Awesome!
[14:15:12] <JT-Shop> if you have any issues or comments on the program raise and issue here https://github.com
[14:15:23] <dasbrow> Will do.
[14:15:28] <JT-Shop> thanks
[14:24:55] <holzjunkie1> JT-Shop: hy JT do you know hov to order the stmbl Servo driver ???
[14:25:17] <holzjunkie1> ist es aber leider nicht
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[14:33:04] <Tom_L> holzjunkie1, i'd talk to rene-dev
[14:33:10] <Tom_L> i think that's his puppy
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[14:33:41] <Tom_L> i think they're running low on a chip that is now obsolete and looking for a replacement to update the board
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[14:43:08] <JT-Shop> yep
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[15:07:14] <fragalot> robrenz is at it again being ridiculously good at getting the details right
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[15:45:45] <XXCoder> looks like hot day have been cancelled
[15:46:03] <XXCoder> smoke made more clouds I guess so its partially cloudy, cooling things down
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[16:08:17] <JT-Shop> nice
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[16:11:03] <JT-Shop> supposed to rain all week here
[16:12:44] <XXCoder> kinda nice, smoke is quite bad but in least its not obessively hot
[16:12:59] <XXCoder> next week seems to be obessively hot though. ugh
[16:13:15] <XXCoder> its times like those that it sucks to have cold weather type body
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[16:40:36] <Contract_Pilot> Sup..
[16:40:40] <fragalot> hey
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[16:44:30] <Contract_Pilot> Interesting Photos of the new Tormach M Series Board. Using the Integrated Ethernet Mesa Card. http://www.stevenrhine.com
[16:45:30] <Contract_Pilot> From the looks of the al file look to work for both the mill and the lathe 1 bord.
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[16:49:46] <Tom_L> more rain on the way
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[17:01:45] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:19:35] <Tom_L> has anybody ordered HIWIN rail by itself?
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[17:26:39] <robotustra> rails only?
[17:27:05] <Tom_L> yeah, i'm considering making my Z rails longer
[17:27:26] <Tom_L> and that's the only part i'd need to replace
[17:29:09] <robotustra> https://www.ebay.com
[17:30:11] <robotustra> looks like you can order rails only
[17:30:46] <Tom_L> i wonder if they're all the same or if they have different series besides the 20mm 25mm width dimension
[17:30:48] <Tom_L> etc
[17:31:14] <Tom_L> dimension wise, if i get a 20mm rail will the dimensions match what i have
[17:31:28] <Tom_L> i assume they have different series
[17:31:47] <JT-Shop> 2 1/4" muffler clamp Amazon $7... auto zone $3
[17:31:56] <Tom_L> i know the trucks come in different pad sizes but i'm not sure if the rail is all the same or not
[17:32:51] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, ever try rockauto?
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[17:57:57] <robotustra> I think 99% that all of them quite consistent in sizes
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[18:09:02] <jthornton> Tom_L: never heard of it
[18:10:50] <jthornton> they don't seem to have exhaust clamps
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[18:35:36] <Tom_L> jthornton, it's a good place to get auto parts
[18:35:44] <Tom_L> same brands, cheaper
[18:35:50] <jthornton> I'll keep that in mind
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[18:36:20] <Tom_L> i've got some parts sitting here on my desk waiting for somebody to come along and install em :)
[18:36:28] <jthornton> lol
[18:36:41] <jthornton> it won't be me I'm back logged forever
[18:37:10] <Tom_L> a friend here told me about em and i've also talked to ppl online that use em
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[18:38:53] <jthornton> hmm once I start collecting social security checks I need to limit my reported income to $17,040
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[18:47:29] <Tom_L> kinda a bitch ya gotta pay taxes on the SS part too
[18:47:47] <jthornton> yea, it's a whole new world at 65
[18:48:01] <Tom_L> those _were_ taxes i paid in...
[18:48:14] <Tom_L> so now ya gotta pay to get em back too
[18:48:34] <jthornton> yup
[18:49:10] <Tom_L> you still gonna keep doin what you do though right?
[18:49:12] <jthornton> and those ira's you stashed away you have to pay the new higher tax rates on them when you cash out
[18:49:29] <jthornton> Gene is my hero, I'll never quit working
[18:49:55] <jthornton> lol I'd go bonkers if I didn't have problems to solve
[18:49:56] <Tom_L> my bud with the machine shop probably won't either
[18:50:09] <Tom_L> he still does jobs for the guys that bought it
[18:50:43] <Tom_L> he kept his manual mill, lathe and one cnc
[18:50:47] <jthornton> on the side?
[18:51:03] <Tom_L> i dunno, it supports his racecar habit
[18:51:11] <jthornton> lol
[18:51:45] <Tom_L> he's gotta be pushin 70 now
[18:52:00] <jthornton> that's not that old lol
[18:52:10] <Tom_L> 74 if i did the math right
[18:53:08] <Tom_L> he doesn't need to work, i think he just does it to stay busy and alert
[18:54:02] <jthornton> yep I can relate
[18:55:30] <Tom_L> his dad used to refurbish steerman planes
[18:55:49] <Tom_L> had one of the largest parts stocks in the US for them
[18:56:09] <jthornton> dang
[18:56:48] <Tom_L> he had a hangar full of parts and planes in various stages
[18:56:58] <jthornton> there is or was a grass strip between Mobile and Pascgoula called the Idle Hour and it had parts for WW1 aircraft
[18:57:15] <Tom_L> one of his buddies had some experimental aircraft there but i dunno what it was
[18:57:18] <jthornton> kinda neat to fly over and look
[18:57:26] <Tom_L> yeah
[18:57:47] <Tom_L> he used to get tank engines for parts
[18:57:52] <Tom_L> i guess they used the same engines
[18:58:06] <jthornton> didn't know that
[18:58:37] <Tom_L> me either but that's what Steve told me
[19:01:49] <jthornton> time to wander upstairs and chill
[19:08:30] <Tom_L> https://www.quora.com
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[20:40:25] <flyback> https://www.sparkfun.com
[20:50:51] <MrHindsight> tariffs shmariffs
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[21:01:31] <skunkworks> it is great when you have to totally disasemble a refurbished laptop because it wasn't refurbished...
[21:02:51] <skunkworks> find out if I fixed it.. It kept throwing thermal alarms. it was obvious that the heatksink compound was 2 different types
[21:03:14] <skunkworks> a dried crustier under a newer white :)
[21:03:31] <MrHindsight> silver paste and low fat cream cheese
[21:04:36] <skunkworks> so far so good... If I would stress it - it was pretty consistant. it would recover but it was like the inital temp rise was too fast
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[21:15:06] <MrHindsight> if you need lots of thermal paste I find jars of it on ebay for pretty cheap
[21:15:19] <MrHindsight> high in silver or aluminum
[21:17:52] <skunkworks> yah - I just bought a tub of it for work from newegg
[21:19:30] <skunkworks> think that was it..
[21:19:33] <skunkworks> yay
[21:19:42] <skunkworks> didn't want to send this thing back
[21:21:09] <Tom_L> anbody order from carbideprobes.com?
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[21:38:09] <Crom_> just got my NEMA17 integrated closed loop steppers from jmc-motors.com
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[21:38:30] <Crom_> 0.5Nm
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[21:47:08] <elmo40> that is tiny
[21:47:15] <elmo40> what are they for? 3D printer?
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[21:48:10] <MrHindsight> micromilling
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[21:50:56] <elmo40> Colchester 2500 lathe. Possible to convert to CNC ?
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[21:51:17] <elmo40> https://jviggers.files.wordpress.com
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[21:53:44] <elmo40> has a nice headstock. Belt driven gearbox.
[21:53:45] <elmo40> http://www.lathes.co.uk
[21:54:43] <elmo40> should the guts be removed and go direct with a servo? i do need to produce threads.
[21:55:40] <elmo40> i suppose that is turning it 100% CNC controlled. No more manual controls until I add MPGs for X&Z
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[22:21:10] <flyback> I went to ollies today and got a $5 wifi recepticle, after I confirm it's working, going to open it to find out the soc, mabye they can be hacked to be fairly secure and $5 remotr power kill for devices that don't have remote management
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[22:29:03] <Tom_L> log
[22:29:53] <flyback> I plan to
[22:29:58] <flyback> also
[22:30:03] * flyback craps at Tom_L's feet
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[23:52:35] <Roguish> Tom_L: hey, that Carbideprobe.com place looks very good.
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[23:55:30] <Tom_L> yeah i almost ordered from them when i made my touch probe
[23:55:40] <Tom_L> broke a tip today so i had to get something
[23:56:43] <Tom_L> they don't offer USPS though so shipping was more than it could have been