#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-08-15
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[00:00:28] <Roguish> I found another place. link is on other laptop. i'll get it tomorrow morning.
[00:00:38] <Roguish> the link, that is.
[00:01:29] <Roguish> bbitm (be back in the morning.....)
[00:03:47] <Tom_L> ok
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[00:05:33] <Tom_L> https://www.cmms.com
[00:05:38] <Tom_L> not that one was it?
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[00:34:16] <flyback> only paid $5 at ollies and they have tons more
[00:34:24] <flyback> since I had to spend 2-3 hrs fixing my steam vaporizer
[00:34:24] <flyback> the dissembly of this will have to wait till tomarrow night
[00:34:25] <flyback> https://www.ebay.com
[00:36:10] <flyback> https://craigelectronics.net
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[01:30:10] <miss0r> mornin'
[01:32:27] <jesseg> Mornin miss0r
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[01:34:56] <Vq> Morning
[01:35:26] <miss0r> Order of buisness today: make a fold out camera mount that is wall mounted. I have here a doodle on a coffee stained napkin not at all describing what the client wants.. hehe
[01:36:56] <miss0r> also, he does not pick up his phone :D
[01:37:28] <Crom_> morning
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[02:02:31] <miss0r> Don't you just hate having a drawing that leave waaay too much undescribed? I can't even move forward with this build
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[02:33:55] <veek> what's this tool called http://pix.toile-libre.org
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[02:34:42] <fragalot> mornin
[02:34:46] <veek> dolly?
[02:34:54] <fragalot> cockford.
[02:35:35] <fragalot> miss0r: what? you expect the drafting engineer to do ALL the work for you?
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[02:37:07] <miss0r> fragalot: if by drafting engineer you mean clueless client, no. I just expect *some* of the work done
[02:37:08] <miss0r> :)
[02:37:14] <fragalot> :D
[02:37:25] <miss0r> And I can't get him on the phone
[02:37:48] <fragalot> in my experience you don't really follow the client's drawing anyway. (which was a good thing, reallyà
[02:37:57] <Wolf__> assume napkin sketch is 1:1 size, build it
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[02:38:18] <miss0r> Were talking a fold down camera wall mount. And theres a few things I have no idea about: How much does said camera weigh, how long from the wall should the mount be located, should it fold down, rather than fold up ect... I have no idea
[02:38:43] <fragalot> miss0r: camera weight 4-5kg, fold both ways
[02:38:46] <miss0r> hehe, I often disregard the clients drawings, because my clients are idiot :]
[02:38:46] <fragalot> length adjustable
[02:38:54] <miss0r> fragalot: LOL!
[02:39:14] <Deejay> moin
[02:39:23] <miss0r> well - they wanted it made for 230eur...
[02:39:44] <fragalot> bend some rebar & thread 1/4"
[02:39:44] <miss0r> so, i'm not building a space shuttle here
[02:39:58] <miss0r> hehe
[02:40:35] <miss0r> I'll make the 'wall part' of 15mm aluminium, with the bolt holes in a circular pattern.. well, you can loosen the screws and turn it 22.5 degrees
[02:40:56] <miss0r> the 'fold out' part will rest on a M14x1 screw, so you can ajust the level a bit
[02:41:10] <fragalot> just sell 'm this. https://www.clearlightsecurity.com
[02:41:18] <miss0r> that is what I figures I'd do for ajustment. If I make the outrigger arm length ajustable, I will loose money
[02:41:29] <miss0r> hehe. yeah :D
[02:41:40] <fragalot> outrigger arm = M16 threaded rod :P
[02:41:44] <miss0r> But it needs to be able to folded away
[02:42:12] <miss0r> I have here one of those camera mount 'snap on' brackets, where I am to install one end on the bracket
[02:42:16] <fragalot> but yeah. undescribed jobs suck
[02:42:26] <fragalot> also - quit bothering clients this early on a holiday
[02:42:33] <fragalot> they're people too
[02:42:50] <miss0r> firstly: its not a holyday here, secondly: no, no they are not
[02:42:58] <fragalot> haha
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[06:11:05] <jthornton> morning
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[06:33:04] <Tom_L> morning
[06:33:09] <fragalot> ello
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[06:33:32] <Deejay> huhu
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[06:56:44] <XXCoder> jthornton: https://imgur.com lol
[06:58:28] <jthornton> what were you machining?
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[06:58:40] <XXCoder> some woodlike thing
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[06:58:47] <XXCoder> cant say more im afraid
[06:58:57] <XXCoder> its not wood, wholly artifically made
[06:59:44] <XXCoder> I took pic because it was really funny
[07:00:02] <XXCoder> everything there was perfectly coated over with chips
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[07:01:24] <XXCoder> anyway part is really boring. 3 foot long one inch thick, sloped certain way, small tabs
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[07:01:47] <XXCoder> err width one inch, approx .02" thick
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[07:10:46] <ktchk> hi
[07:10:57] <jthornton> hey
[07:11:19] <ktchk> anyone use 3phase 1.2deg stepper motor
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[08:05:26] <ktchk> anyone have 3phase 1.2deg stepper motor and controller?
[08:06:00] <elmo40> schneider-electric.com
[08:07:18] <elmo40> https://www.schneider-electric.com
[08:07:22] <ktchk> elmo40: I had been using 2 phase 1.8 deg 5mm/turn screw for 0.025mm step
[08:07:23] <elmo40> how large do you want them?
[08:07:32] <ktchk> 20anyone use 3phase 1.2deg stepper motornm
[08:07:46] <ktchk> 20Nm
[08:08:29] <ktchk> how is 1.2deg step for 5mm/turn?
[08:09:51] <elmo40> what do you mean how is?
[08:10:09] <elmo40> you want 20Nm motor?
[08:11:04] <elmo40> Schneider has a 6Nm with 14mm shaft... how large is your project going to be?
[08:11:20] <ktchk> steps for 5mm/turn (200steps) devide by 1.2deg?
[08:12:00] <ktchk> 19mm shaft for knee mill direct drive
[08:13:00] <elmo40> 19Nm with 16Nm holding torque
[08:13:01] <elmo40> https://www.schneider-electric.com
[08:13:17] <elmo40> and, with feedback
[08:13:40] <ktchk> how many counts per rev?
[08:13:45] <elmo40> 10,000
[08:14:05] <elmo40> on the encoder
[08:14:26] <elmo40> the motor is anywhere from 200 to 10,000 steps / turn
[08:14:38] <elmo40> full steps. not half steps.
[08:14:49] <elmo40> 1.8 °, 0.9 °, 0.72 °, 0.36 °, 0.18 °, 0.09 °, 0.072 °, 0.036 ° step angle
[08:15:00] <elmo40> looks like a nice motor. i wonder how much.
[08:16:02] <ktchk> I have question that stepper always stops at half step but can not stop at 1/4 step with micro step drive
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[08:59:37] <gonzo_> I have 12Nm 2ph steppers on a bridgeport knee mill
[08:59:59] <gonzo_> 5mm/rev 25mm ballscrews on X and Y
[09:00:15] <gonzo_> no signs of it being under rated at all.... yet
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[09:25:19] * jthornton is very close to flashing the 7i96 from the configuration tool... time for work
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[09:44:06] <Loetmichel> Hmm... i just used "WD-40 BIKE chain lube" as a cutting oil for threading aluminium... can do 6 M3 threads at 1300 rpm battery drill without relubing, where conventional cutting oil will be dry after 3 holes... and it does bog down the battery drill audibly less than the cutting oil. Also the tap dosent seem to get dull as fast... What trickery is that? What in hell did they mix into that
[09:44:06] <Loetmichel> stuff???
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[09:45:50] <gregcnc> read sds?
[09:48:20] <mozmck> I've used WD-40 quite a bit for milling aluminum and found it worked better than any coolant I tried.
[09:48:53] <gregcnc> it's mostly stoddard solvent and some oil
[09:49:48] <mozmck> Yeah, but it works great. What is stoddard solvent?
[09:50:01] <gregcnc> almost kerosene
[09:53:43] <gregcnc> the china lube lists proprietary ingredients so you own't learn much
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[10:05:28] <cradek> it might be moly
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[10:12:40] <gregcnc> I don't understand those 3 phase steppers. they says 1000 step/rev is full step
[10:13:05] <gregcnc> most 3ph steppers are 300 step/rev
[10:18:11] <robotustra> I've seen that some people do own lub on the base of water + WD40 + dishwasher soap
[10:18:22] <robotustra> can't find a link
[10:19:05] <robotustra> like 90% of water, about 8% of WD40 and about 2% of soap
[10:19:21] <robotustra> don't remember exactly.
[10:20:39] <robotustra> I tried to use pure WD40 in the mist and it's just become a fog which is mainly flying away, not lubing anything
[10:21:27] <SpeedEvil> I tried to use WD40 in the mist - really upset the gorillas.
[10:24:03] <gregcnc> plain old WD40 doesn't work as chain lube. today wd40 makes real lube products
[10:24:08] <robotustra> it just fly around :)
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[10:56:33] <fragalot> miss0r: it's gone.
[10:59:00] <Loetmichel> robotustra: i use 60% water, 35% Isopropy alc and 5% dishwasher soap as a coolant/lube on the CNC mill... with a flower spray bottle to dispense it
[10:59:13] <Loetmichel> the ones that are pressurized by an internal pump
[10:59:29] <Loetmichel> for aluminium
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[11:06:19] <fragalot> miss0r: schaublin guy just sent me pictures of the machine on a pallet.. It's not small. lol.
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[11:12:12] <miss0r> lol
[11:12:32] <miss0r> little secret: The machines you buy *ALWAYS* look smaller in the large warehouse you look at'em in ;)
[11:12:54] <fragalot> :P
[11:13:36] <fragalot> forwarded you the pics
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[11:20:52] <Loetmichel> I really like how fast and painless that tapping is with this oil: https://youtu.be
[11:21:20] <fragalot> chain oil?
[11:21:41] <Loetmichel> bike chain oil
[11:21:49] <Loetmichel> as seen on the spray can on the right
[11:21:56] <fragalot> interesting
[11:22:08] <fragalot> interesting application method too :P
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[11:42:31] <Loetmichel> fragalot: why? i sprayed some in the can lid and dipped the tap in every few holes
[11:45:12] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I figured that, I just never thought of doing it like that myself
[11:45:18] <fragalot> and always make a mess spraying it everywhere
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[12:09:13] <L29Ah> can i use linuxcnc with dc motors with linear encoders instead of stepper motors?
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[12:11:28] <cradek> L29Ah: yes
[12:12:45] <cradek> L29Ah: but if there is any backlash at all in the system (and there is) you should put the encoders on the motors instead, or use velocity mode servo drives with velocity feedback from the motors
[12:12:57] <cradek> otherwise you will not be able to tune it
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[12:32:12] <jdh> that might look interesting depending ondeadband and lash
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[12:37:37] <L29Ah> yeah thanks
[12:38:49] <Loetmichel> fragalot: hihi. yeah, spraying it on the tap every few holes would be a big mess... i thought everyone knew that "spray in the cap" trick.
[12:39:07] <Loetmichel> also it would waste a lot more oil
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[15:43:47] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: looks like todays hot weather have also been "cancelled" by smoke
[15:48:57] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: pretty effective. we use tap paste for larger holes and rapid tap oil for smaller jobs
[15:49:12] <XXCoder> yeah usually never spray just dip and tap
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[15:50:37] <JT-Shop> nice
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[16:02:53] <miss0r> How to loose money in a hurry: https://imgur.com first picture is the description with a pricetag of 230eur. The thing is; I would rather work for 1eur/hour that to send out crap. :] I've told him he can't get another one like it for the same money ;)
[16:07:02] <JT-Shop> what is it?
[16:07:09] <XXCoder> looks like camera holder
[16:07:23] <XXCoder> one that has arm that swings out and locks in place
[16:07:25] <miss0r> Its a foldable camera wallmount
[16:07:43] <miss0r> I believe its for taking office photos om employees
[16:08:09] <miss0r> of*
[16:09:05] <miss0r> Don't you just love the coffee stained napkin equivalent of a work sketch? :) This is what I get all the time as a jobshop
[16:09:33] <miss0r> anyway. Long day, I'll call it a night. See you guys around
[16:09:46] <XXCoder> miss0r: is it self-locking?
[16:10:02] <XXCoder> o it flips DOWN as opposited to orginial design
[16:10:13] <miss0r> Indeed
[16:10:18] <miss0r> I asked, and it was no problem
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[16:10:42] <miss0r> anyway
[16:10:44] * miss0r is out
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[16:11:35] <XXCoder> later
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[16:59:00] * JT-Shop was hoping to get some parts done today...
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[17:03:31] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:26:24] <Tom_L> JT-Shop what you workin on?
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[17:27:20] <Tom_L> i was gonna start tramming the mill after adding the risers to it but i snapped the tip off my indicator :(
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[17:27:29] <Tom_L> so now i'm waiting for another tip
[17:29:12] <JT-Shop> http://spyderstore.com
[17:29:20] <JT-Shop> building some of those
[17:29:44] <Tom_L> ahh, i saw that yesterday
[17:29:50] <Tom_L> you got a tube bender?
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[17:30:46] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:31:18] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com
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[17:31:27] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com
[17:31:56] <Tom_L> nice
[17:32:08] <Tom_L> is that a tig?
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[17:34:19] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:37:58] <JT-Shop> I need to have a digital caliper sale lol I have 6 6" calipers
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[18:15:05] <Tom_L> i got an 8" a while back and like it alot better than 6
[18:15:17] <Tom_L> you can never have too many
[18:16:04] <Tom_L> I _really_ like this digital mic my kid gave me that he won at his contest
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[19:04:26] <Tom_L> hazzy-dev are the affected channels op'd?
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[19:45:14] <hazzy-dev> Tom_L: Yes, and at XXCoder's advice I got Sigyn invited, which helps some
[19:45:14] <hazzy-dev> Need to set it to allow only registered users, but the ops is rarely around :(
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[19:45:50] <Tecan> https://www.youtube.com weld3d printer
[19:49:13] <Tecan> this guy used water to aid it https://www.youtube.com
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[19:52:31] <Tom_L> hazzy-dev, the mode i posted in devel is effective
[19:53:10] <Tom_L> hazzy-dev +r isn't necessary but you can
[19:59:24] <hazzy-lab> Thanks Tom_L!
[19:59:30] <hazzy-lab> i guess it is just coincidence, but a freenode op just stepped in and set the chan to +r
[19:59:34] <Tom_L> i'd pm the op and wait
[19:59:54] <Tom_L> you don't need +r, the +q one lets them join but they can't talk
[20:00:08] <Tom_L> and it doesn't disturb any logging bots etc
[20:00:09] <hazzy-lab> what you posted in devel seems like a great solution though, as new users can see what is going on
[20:00:16] <hazzy-lab> yes
[20:00:20] <Tom_L> then point them to this url:
[20:00:26] <Tom_L> in the topic
[20:00:59] <Tom_L> http://git.io
[20:01:12] <hazzy-lab> I was just reading that, lol
[20:01:29] <hazzy-lab> that is a good cheat sheet
[20:01:35] <Tom_L> yeah i have 2
[20:01:54] <Tom_L> https://gist.github.com
[20:02:08] <Tom_L> more for users i think
[20:02:50] <hazzy-lab> that is good too!
[20:04:08] <Tom_L> with +r my bot wouldn't join a certain channel even though it's registered
[20:04:17] <Tom_L> not really sure why
[20:04:22] <Tom_L> the silence fixed it
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[21:14:04] <infornography> I'm looking for motor specs for a maxnc-10, the data on the labels in worn off. Anyone know anything about these little mills?
[21:23:07] <Crom_> spindle or steppers?
[21:24:48] <Crom_> https://www.noisebridge.net
[21:25:29] <Crom_> 1/5hp sewing machine motor spindle
[21:26:27] <Crom_> X Y look to be 100+ ozin steppers, z looks to be a 42ozin
[21:29:09] <infornography> yeah that looks like it. You think that spindle is 110 AC then?
[21:30:13] <infornography> This one is not closed look tho
[21:30:17] <infornography> loop
[21:31:24] <Wolf__> got pics of yours?
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[21:32:13] <infornography> https://cdn.discordapp.com
[21:33:45] <Wolf__> seems missing something
[21:35:15] <infornography> the board fried, it is partially dissembled
[21:35:52] <Wolf__> 110 input to the controller?
[21:36:24] <Wolf__> going to guess the spindle was powered from the controller
[21:36:52] <infornography> yeah, there is a transformer in the cover
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[21:38:47] <Wolf__> that doesnt tell much, controller would need DC for some things
[21:40:43] <infornography> I looked at the board for s few minutes, but it's not in front of me now. There was some PICs and nand gates and mosfets, the stuff that ran to the spindle was a more foreign to me though
[21:41:50] <infornography> The way the stuff was crammed in there it was no surprise stuff was fried
[21:41:58] <Wolf__> well, one way to find out, put 110 on the spindle motor wires, if it spins, its 110, if it smokes, it might be DC
[21:43:06] <infornography> I will play with it.
[21:43:22] <Wolf__> might be some better ways to figure out what the motor is wound for
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[21:45:17] <Wolf__> thing kinda reminds me of a sherline mill
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[22:00:07] <jdh> didn't cradek have a maxnc?
[22:02:11] <{HD}> Wolf__: the pcb2gcode dev just did a PR that fixed most of the issues I was having with it. And the FlatCAM guy has a private repo were working on and testing soon to fix all of those problems too!
[22:03:03] <Wolf__> nice
[22:03:26] <{HD}> Now I am trying to find something fun to start on the 3d printer while I wait for this laser test to finish.
[22:03:56] <{HD}> Yea, soon I will know everything about laser&pcb
[22:04:10] <Wolf__> lol
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[22:27:14] <{HD}> Anyone know the duty cycle of these cheap 2.5 W and 5.5 W cheap Chinese lasers is?
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[22:30:16] <Rab> On once, off forever
[22:38:50] <{HD}> Ha
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[23:23:21] <jdh> what can you do with them? engraving?
[23:25:23] <Tom_L> start fires
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