#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-08-16

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[00:13:15] <miss0r> Mornin'
[00:13:46] <miss0r> log
[00:13:46] <c-log> miss0r: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[00:34:48] <fragalot> mornin
[00:35:50] <miss0r> heya
[00:37:37] <fragalot> nothing more fun than waking up from one of the fire alarms crying out because it's battery is low
[00:37:50] <fragalot> only to get up, replace it, get back in bed.. and have the same thing happen with a different one
[00:37:55] <fragalot> half an hour later
[00:37:57] <fragalot> >.>
[00:38:13] <hazzy-lab> LOL, what are the chances? seems real low
[00:38:40] <hazzy-lab> the batteries seem to last about 8 years here
[00:38:44] <fragalot> in my experience: There was a 100% chance.
[00:38:51] <miss0r> hehe
[00:39:04] <fragalot> hazzy-lab: the ones I bought claimed 10yrs, so far they have reached an average of 3 years
[00:39:13] <miss0r> Same reason you don't use relays from the same production batch in redundant systems
[00:40:26] <fragalot> I think that the 2 I pulled down are the last 2 from that batch, all the others have been replaced
[00:40:32] <fragalot> so these are going byebye too
[00:40:56] <miss0r> most likely. if they are seated in the same temperature & identical fire alarms
[00:41:48] <miss0r> also, always check the series number when buying new bulbs for your headlights
[00:42:00] <hazzy-lab> we were required to hard wire our fire alarms in a few years ago, it was a pain
[00:42:30] <elmo40> it is annoying. running all that wire just for a 9V alarm.
[00:43:04] <hazzy-lab> ours are 110V 14awg wire :(
[00:43:13] <miss0r> damn
[00:43:16] <elmo40> that is what i mean
[00:43:24] <miss0r> 'round here we are not even required to have firealarms
[00:43:25] <elmo40> a waste of 120V wire for a 9V device.
[00:43:35] <hazzy-lab> elmo40: oh, right!
[00:43:39] <elmo40> miss0r, you are not? what country is that?
[00:43:49] <miss0r> elmo40: Denmark
[00:43:57] <elmo40> i find that difficult to believe.
[00:44:10] <miss0r> if you build something new, you are required to install it.
[00:44:13] <elmo40> you are part of the EU
[00:44:17] <miss0r> yeah
[00:44:20] <elmo40> do they not mandate this stuff?
[00:44:26] <elmo40> ah, i see.
[00:44:26] <fragalot> no
[00:44:34] <fragalot> not for older homes
[00:44:37] <elmo40> i'd install them! and CO meters, too.
[00:45:01] <miss0r> elmo40: just buy a canarie bird
[00:45:05] <fragalot> mine are not required either, but it's like a helmet.. it's not because you aren't required to wear it that you shouldn't.
[00:45:26] <fragalot> (on motorbikes, helmets ARE required, but that's beside the point)
[00:46:23] <elmo40> miss0r, canaries do not make noise when there are issues... how will it wake me up after it dies?
[00:46:55] <fragalot> elmo40: because it STOPS making noise.
[00:47:16] <fragalot> your subconscious will suddenly notice the silence & wake you up
[00:47:42] <fragalot> another beepy thing! (bread's done :)) bbl
[00:47:48] <miss0r> THAT... or you tie a string around it, up to a lever switch, that will turn on the alarm when it drops to the ground
[00:47:51] <elmo40> LoL
[00:47:58] <miss0r> :]
[00:48:02] <fragalot> miss0r: perch it over the bed & wake up as it hits your face
[00:48:06] <hazzy-lab> Yeah, same here, we never needed fire alarms till the house burned and we did a renovation, lol
[00:48:22] <miss0r> fragalot: lol, how very little mcgyver of you
[00:48:24] <hazzy-lab> since we renovated we needed to install the alarms
[00:51:33] <elmo40> I have natural gas appliances. I have smoke and CO alarms on all floors.
[00:51:42] <jesseg> Replacement bearings for my Atrump mill arived today from manufacturer. They are all double shielded NSK JAPAN, except one double shielded NTN JAPAN.
[00:51:45] <elmo40> They want us to install the flashing alarms in each bedroom.
[00:51:50] <jesseg> Of course the two motor shaft bearings (which mill manu didn't have) I got SFK double sealed from MSC -- those were made in Argentina.
[00:51:59] <fragalot> I only have CO in the livingroom, all other gas appliances are fully sealed
[00:52:19] <elmo40> fully sealed? what does that even mean?
[00:52:27] <elmo40> it does not bring in air from the room?
[00:52:32] <elmo40> direct from outside?
[00:52:34] <fragalot> Å·es
[00:52:37] <elmo40> I see
[00:52:47] <elmo40> except fire place or stove ;-)
[00:53:12] <fragalot> I have 2 gas heaters that pull air from outside
[00:53:19] <fragalot> and one that doesn't
[01:02:41] <miss0r> fragalot: Client will be here in 5 mins. Didn't get around to making the wooden mount
[01:02:49] <fragalot> YOU CAN DO IT
[01:03:13] <miss0r> It would be as craptacular as he deserves :D
[01:03:15] <fragalot> wooden board, single hinge, 2 screws.
[01:03:18] <fragalot> go.
[01:03:44] <fragalot> it will be adjustable by not putting the wall screws in fully
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[01:05:59] <fragalot> https://youtu.be <=== that.. Has got to be the sketchiest thing ever
[01:06:16] <miss0r> DONE !
[01:07:48] <miss0r> https://imgur.com
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[01:09:17] <fragalot> hahah
[01:09:53] <fragalot> only thing that would have made that better is if the screws were too long,.. or crooked nails
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[01:14:57] <fragalot> bah. "scientists found new long-term weather prediction model. 2018->2022 will be even hotter than expected"
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[01:55:30] <elmo40> but... can they get tomorrow's weather accurate?
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[02:02:22] <MrHindsight> tomorrow not so much but I've been looking over the long term projections from the 70's and they were conservative
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[02:05:20] <CaptHindsight> have to peek at this https://www.nature.com
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[02:07:55] <miss0r> so, we are all boned, then?
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[02:11:04] <CaptHindsight> vs boneless?
[02:12:11] <CaptHindsight> well we won't be able to exact our revenge on those responsible since they will all be long gone
[02:13:44] <CaptHindsight> hopefully
[02:17:41] <Contract_Pilot> Sup...
[02:18:50] <Contract_Pilot> I still need 2X 7I92H's
[02:23:01] <Contract_Pilot> writing centos to dvd at 2x sucks
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[02:25:16] <CaptHindsight> LCNC on Centos?
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[02:30:06] <miss0r> I think I have finally found a converter that will read my pholips linear scales and output something I can put into a mesa card! :D
[02:30:14] <miss0r> http://www.bulgarianindustry.bg
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[02:31:11] <miss0r> but... 200 eur for that small pcb, damn
[02:32:32] <miss0r> syyl: Do you often get met with coffee stained napkin drawings & ridiculous price expectations?
[02:34:35] <CaptHindsight> now there's a board you don't see very often
[02:35:15] <miss0r> I'm thinking I should just order three right away
[02:35:36] <miss0r> But I know too little about the mesa system. Is it reasonable to think I can feed TTL or RS422 into a mesa system?
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[02:46:41] <Deejay> moin
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[02:48:57] <miss0r> o/
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[03:19:36] <miss0r> Do anyone in here know of a good guide to help me find the mesa components needed for a cnc retrofit?
[03:22:20] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: yes, wait about 4 hours and ask JT-Shop or
[03:22:36] <miss0r> does he have a guide? or is he the guide? :D
[03:22:48] <CaptHindsight> wait about 6 hours and ask pcw_mesa
[03:23:15] <CaptHindsight> jt has a website and sells some of the mesa cards
[03:23:33] <CaptHindsight> his site has a basic flowchart for the limited cards he sells
[03:23:45] <miss0r> ahh indeed. I will need to look at that
[03:24:17] <CaptHindsight> https://mesaus.com
[03:24:19] <miss0r> I've never used mesa cards before, so I am thinking it will be a pretty serious retrofitting a whole maho 500c
[03:24:27] <CaptHindsight> whatcha lookin fer?
[03:25:00] <miss0r> Well, just about everything needed for replacing the controller on my maho
[03:25:02] <CaptHindsight> I've used several but I don't commit part numbers to memory
[03:25:22] <CaptHindsight> so steppers or servos or both?
[03:25:30] <CaptHindsight> what types of encoders?
[03:25:32] <miss0r> so alot of digital I/O's. some analog outputs and some way of reading the linear scales
[03:25:48] <miss0r> Its servo motors. I actualy do not know what encoders are on there
[03:25:52] <CaptHindsight> what output do the scales have?
[03:26:24] <CaptHindsight> or shoot Mesa an email with your IO's
[03:26:56] <CaptHindsight> do you prefer a PCIe or ethernet connection from PC to FPGA?
[03:27:11] <CaptHindsight> lots of options
[03:27:30] <CaptHindsight> and you'll get lots of opinions from users
[03:27:34] <miss0r> I know its a propreitary blend those linear scale readers. so I'll need the PCB i posted a link about in here a little earlier. many have tried to read the signal from them, many have failed
[03:28:01] <miss0r> These are the servo motors: http://www.cnc-shopping.co.uk
[03:28:11] <CaptHindsight> the Bulagrian FPGA card?
[03:28:17] <miss0r> yeah
[03:28:50] <miss0r> I'm thinking i'll be reusing the drives for both the spindle and the servos.
[03:28:52] <CaptHindsight> do you need servo amps for the motors?
[03:29:20] <miss0r> What I want is to basically replace the philips 432 controller
[03:29:30] <miss0r> and keep all the power circuitry
[03:30:06] <miss0r> as much plug'n play as possible, so I can put the 432 back into place should something fail/get held up.
[03:30:16] <miss0r> As i use the CNC on an almost daily basis
[03:30:42] <CaptHindsight> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[03:30:53] <CaptHindsight> look at tis^^
[03:31:36] <miss0r> What am I looking at? :)
[03:32:26] <CaptHindsight> somebody has done the same retrofit before
[03:32:55] <miss0r> yeah. but I've never read about people using the original scales
[03:33:01] <miss0r> Everyone is replacing them
[03:33:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ichaus.de
[03:33:35] <miss0r> my futile hope is to keep the costs as low as possible. and 200eur per axis for using the old ones seems like a good option
[03:34:40] <miss0r> also, if possible; use parts that are as much plug'n play as I can find :D
[03:35:00] <miss0r> I know those two does not go hand in hand, but throw into the equation that time is money, then it sorta adds up
[03:35:38] <CaptHindsight> are the servo amps analog in 5v +/- or Step Dir?
[03:35:48] <miss0r> +/- 10v
[03:35:55] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[03:36:36] <CaptHindsight> http://mesaus.com
[03:36:47] <CaptHindsight> http://mesaus.com
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[03:37:24] <CaptHindsight> 6i25 + 7i77 gets you 5 axis anlog servo and 48 IO
[03:37:38] <miss0r> ohh, indeed
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[03:37:47] <miss0r> Thats a start atleast :)
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[03:37:53] <miss0r> What about reading the linear scales?
[03:39:06] <CaptHindsight> if you use that Bulgarian adapted card then the 7o77 will take the encoder signals from that card
[03:39:26] <CaptHindsight> adapted/adapter
[03:39:49] <miss0r> so those mesa cards you linked me to; how do I interface with them?
[03:40:16] <miss0r> rephrase: I need the PCIe card to run the other one?
[03:40:37] <CaptHindsight> the 6i25 is the PCIe card
[03:40:43] <CaptHindsight> the 7i77 is the IO
[03:40:57] <CaptHindsight> 6 Axis analog servo with high speed encoder feedback
[03:40:59] <miss0r> so, basically a cable between those two, and I am interfaced with the PC
[03:41:07] <CaptHindsight> 2 isolated inputs and 16 isolated outputs
[03:41:13] <CaptHindsight> yes
[03:41:37] <CaptHindsight> 32 not 2
[03:41:55] <CaptHindsight> Encoder inputs can be individually set for differential or single ended mode.
[03:42:14] <CaptHindsight> Six +-10V analog outputs and six encoder inputs (all with index) are provided for servo interfacing.
[03:42:20] <miss0r> indeed. So, assuming that is not enough I/O (which I have a sneaking suspicion it is not) I would need another PCIe card and another 7i77 to add to that?
[03:43:52] <CaptHindsight> 6i25 supports one 7i77 and another card in the series
[03:44:08] <miss0r> damn this is a fine system :)
[03:44:15] <CaptHindsight> There are currently six 6I25 compatible breakout cards available from Mesa, the 7I74 through 7I78 and 7I85.
[03:44:47] <CaptHindsight> https://mesaus.com
[03:44:49] <miss0r> Truth be told, I still find it a little confusing.
[03:45:28] <CaptHindsight> add up all your IO
[03:45:41] <CaptHindsight> you might be surprised what you really need
[03:46:13] <miss0r> yeah, I might. I'll need to actualy read my wiring diagram in detail to know for sure :)
[03:48:01] <miss0r> When it comes to motherboards for the linuxcnc setup; I seem to recall some being better when it comes to jitter than others. Is that only a convern when using the parallel port to drive steppers?
[03:48:16] <miss0r> or is there still some truth to this, so I have to consider what hardware to use there?
[03:48:36] <CaptHindsight> mostly for software stepping
[03:48:56] <miss0r> okay; so I just want a stable and powerfull machine for this setup
[03:49:06] <CaptHindsight> the min issue is with motherboards that don't let you kill power management and speed stepping
[03:49:11] <CaptHindsight> min/main
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[03:49:41] <miss0r> Can you elaborate a little on that?
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[03:50:19] <CaptHindsight> power management and speed stepping (cpu clock throttling) causes most of the jitter
[03:50:38] <miss0r> ahh. so that "auto clocking" stuff
[03:50:48] <CaptHindsight> PC BIOSes in general are giant turds
[03:51:11] <miss0r> Can you bring me any recomendations for pc hardware?
[03:51:20] <CaptHindsight> and some vendors remove options in BIOS to keep service calls to a minium
[03:51:40] <CaptHindsight> this usually doesn;t effect the average PC user but kills real time use
[03:52:28] <CaptHindsight> UEFI is actually an OS
[03:52:40] <miss0r> yeah
[03:52:42] <CaptHindsight> Intel might finally admit it
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[03:53:25] <CaptHindsight> a typical x86 cpu will run 2-3 kernels before Linux ever loads
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[03:53:45] <CaptHindsight> anyway back to the topic
[03:54:24] <CaptHindsight> the latest AMD stuff (Ryzen) is not supported in RTAI
[03:54:52] <miss0r> Perhaps some intel server hardware?
[03:55:14] <CaptHindsight> if you end up wanting ethernet from PC to IO cards then you'll be running a preempt_rt kernel so it won't matter
[03:55:31] <CaptHindsight> ooh the server hardware is actually a poor choice
[03:56:26] <CaptHindsight> I haven't used Intel since ~1999
[03:56:41] <CaptHindsight> so I won't comment on what works Intel
[03:57:37] <miss0r> alright. I'm not that much into PC hardware anymore. Well, I've put quite a few computers together over the years; but I'm not sure what is moving or shaking at the moment
[03:58:02] <CaptHindsight> look for the vendors that don't dumb down the BIOS
[03:59:15] <CaptHindsight> Gigabyte, Asrock, Asus
[04:00:52] <CaptHindsight> best bet is run the Live CD and the latency test
[04:00:53] <miss0r> hmm. Any recomendations on the actual CPU?
[04:01:27] <CaptHindsight> we used tons of AMD FM2+
[04:01:50] <CaptHindsight> others here claim some Celerons work well
[04:01:54] <miss0r> heh.. I know a guy who owns a computer store. I should just bring the Live CD there, and have a go at a few different options actualy
[04:02:04] <CaptHindsight> best bet
[04:02:13] <CaptHindsight> we have had surprises
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[04:03:18] <miss0r> I think that is what I shall do
[04:03:31] <CaptHindsight> it's not as important if you use ethernet to FPGA
[04:03:48] <miss0r> I'm thinking I'll run the PCIe card
[04:04:17] <miss0r> for some reason that just seems like a more sturdy solution to me
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[04:05:13] <CaptHindsight> 7I92M is like the ethernet version of the 6i25
[04:05:41] <CaptHindsight> plug and play with the 7i77
[04:06:02] <CaptHindsight> https://mesaus.com
[04:06:10] <miss0r> so an ethernet cable from the PC to that board there, and then connect to the 7i77 direct
[04:06:29] <miss0r> And the ethernet connection is plenty fast for this?
[04:06:36] <CaptHindsight> yes
[04:06:39] <miss0r> ha.
[04:06:45] <miss0r> Who would have known :D
[04:07:00] <miss0r> I still like the idea of a PCIe card with a direct connection to the 7i77
[04:07:05] <CaptHindsight> preempt_rt kernel and UDP only
[04:07:31] <miss0r> yeah, UDP is faster
[04:08:27] <CaptHindsight> 3:00 here
[04:08:29] <miss0r> I think I have what I need to get started now. Thanks
[04:10:33] <CaptHindsight> check with them on the details to save on M-M or F-M etc adapters
[04:11:00] <CaptHindsight> they have options on the gender of the DB-25 connectors
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[04:11:44] <miss0r> complicated :)
[04:14:41] <CaptHindsight> details schmetails
[04:14:53] <miss0r> :D
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[05:45:42] <jthornton> morning
[05:46:36] <XXCoder> yo
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[06:00:45] <miss0r> cleaning the CNC is not made more funny by me not being able to find the slender nozzle for the vacuum cleaner!
[06:01:13] <jthornton> miss0r: you have some questions about Mesa cards?
[06:01:36] <miss0r> jthornton: CaptHindsight actualy filled me in. For what I need to know at the time being
[06:01:43] <jthornton> ok
[06:02:03] <miss0r> Next step for me is to look thuroughly at the wiring diagram for my mill, and figure out how much I need
[06:02:20] <jthornton> stepper or servo?
[06:02:24] <miss0r> Servo
[06:02:54] <jthornton> 7i92M and 7i77 plug together :)
[06:03:24] <miss0r> Building the list of mesa units I need will have to wait for a later date :] I'll be sure to contact you ;)
[06:03:40] <jthornton> ok
[06:03:57] <miss0r> where do you ship out from?
[06:04:10] <jthornton> Missouri
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[06:04:20] <miss0r> meh.. That import tax is going to kill me
[06:04:21] <jthornton> where are you?
[06:04:23] <miss0r> Denmark
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[06:07:46] <fragalot> miss0r: I use a piece of PVC pipe that i've heat-formed to fit in the Tee-slots :P
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[06:08:25] <miss0r> well, the nozzle I have/had fit perfectly
[06:08:47] <fragalot> have you checked the bottom of the chip-tray
[06:08:50] <miss0r> and I have been putting off cleaning the CNC for a week - you can imagine what it looks like
[06:08:51] <miss0r> yeah
[06:09:20] <miss0r> I'm quite sure I put it some ingenious place, where I would be sure not to loose it
[06:09:29] <fragalot> sounds familliar :D
[06:09:38] <miss0r> story of my life
[06:10:02] <jthornton> when I do find something I've lost I always put it back in the first place I looked
[06:10:06] <miss0r> I'm so good at doing that, i'll loose the lathe one of these days
[06:11:11] <miss0r> jthornton: well, the issue is; it *used* to be laying on the ground with the coil of vacuum hose, next to the vacuumcleaner itself. but I decided i was tired of kicking it around - hence the solution of just throwing it away, apparently
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[06:12:22] <jthornton> lol
[06:12:39] <miss0r> You'd think it couldn't be that hard to find a relatively large object in a 40m^2 shop.. but it is somewhat crowded in here
[06:13:27] <miss0r> fragalot: Have you received an ETA yet?
[06:13:36] <fragalot> 'probably monday'
[06:14:40] <miss0r> much excitement, much wow
[06:14:52] <fragalot> Such "will it fit" stress :D
[06:14:58] <miss0r> hahaha
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[06:15:18] <miss0r> you know what, if you can't fit it - I will come take the burden off your hands, free of charge ;)
[06:15:33] <miss0r> Thats how much of a gentleman I am
[06:16:04] * miss0r MOTHAFACKING FOUND IT !
[06:16:28] <miss0r> apparently it stuck it into the plastics rawstock shelf
[06:16:32] <jthornton> where was it?
[06:16:56] <miss0r> it *is* made of some plastic, so I guess it makes sense. and I only found it because I banged my head on another shelf
[06:17:11] <miss0r> Well, it all worked out in the end. Now to do some cleaning.
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[06:22:47] <Tom_L> morning
[06:24:57] <miss0r> mornin
[06:25:09] <Tom_L> looks like a big storm just missed ya jt
[06:25:26] <miss0r> The thermostat in my fridge is broken. Upside: realy cold soda at the moment. Downside: the thermostat in my fridge is broken.
[06:26:51] <miss0r> my coke is a slushice
[06:27:02] <miss0r> Why couldn't this have happened last week when it was 30c ?!
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[06:38:56] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: Upside, temperature controllers with SSR are only $10.
[06:42:24] <miss0r> :]
[06:43:28] <fragalot> just crack the door slightly
[06:43:29] <fragalot> :P
[06:45:28] <SpeedEvil> I have almost gotten to the 'fuckit' level with many appliances and wish I could rip out the controllers.
[06:45:44] <jthornton> whoopee my 7i96 configuration tool can flash the card and readhmid and reload
[06:45:45] <SpeedEvil> For example, my new microwave has nice turny knobs for settings.
[06:46:30] <SpeedEvil> But, if you turn the time knob, it goes 9,10,11,15,20. And if you interrupt something midway through cooking, you can't simply add more than ten minutes to it.
[06:47:14] <jthornton> now to figure out how to get the return code from subprocess.Popen
[06:58:46] <jthornton> Monique is always the first chicken out the door in the morning
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[07:14:18] <veek> where's the steel nomenclature documented .. as in.. is there a chart-mapping of the first 2 digits
[07:14:29] <veek> 51 - Cr, but 50 -?
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[07:21:43] <miss0r> As much as I absolutly hate taking chiped and gunked up parts apart and cleaning'em, I do love sliding everything back together and lining it up :)
[07:23:39] <fragalot> :)
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[07:25:49] <miss0r> fragalot: You know how you always try to eyeball stuff, then measure it to see how close you were?
[07:26:01] <fragalot> yeah
[07:26:13] <miss0r> I just slapped the vise on the table, and halfassedly lined it up by eye, and landed it within 0.02mm/150mm
[07:26:29] <miss0r> I just had to come tell you right away :D
[07:26:38] <fragalot> :)
[07:26:51] <miss0r> I usualy land it around 0.1 ish
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[07:45:17] <miss0r> I wonder what the current going rate for alu scrap is. I have around 130kgs at the moment
[07:45:53] <miss0r> and now it has just about outgrown the two wastebins it is filling up
[07:45:55] <fragalot> worthless. you might as well send the pieces that are larger than 20x200x200 to me.
[07:46:38] <fragalot> alternatively, get into casting, alu is a really fun material to learn with (actually more difficult than cast iron)
[07:46:41] <miss0r> I have a few meters of 220x75
[07:46:53] <miss0r> which I NEVER use.
[07:47:04] <miss0r> it is too big for me to cut in my cold saw. I realy need a bandsaw!
[07:47:25] <fragalot> get a hydraulic clamping bandsaw when you do
[07:47:33] <miss0r> I have one.
[07:47:37] <fragalot> get a larger one
[07:47:39] <miss0r> Fully automated
[07:47:44] <miss0r> no, it is too large :)
[07:47:46] <fragalot> xD
[07:47:49] <miss0r> I have it for sale. I cannot fit it in here
[07:47:58] <fragalot> I wish they sold portabands here
[07:48:25] <miss0r> I have a bandsaw for sale... Interrested? You can just feed it a 12m rod, and set it to start sawing the lenghts you want ;)
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[07:49:15] <miss0r> I bought it for next to n... A high high price. and am willing to sell it to you with only a little loss :D
[07:49:49] <fragalot> ask me again in a few years
[07:49:58] <fragalot> like.. 20.
[07:50:27] <miss0r> Have more faith in yourself. Your empire started the moment you sent payment for that machine of yours ;)
[07:50:34] <miss0r> Before you know it we are competitors
[07:51:30] <fragalot> doubtful - you wouldn't be able to keep up
[07:51:33] <fragalot> :D
[07:51:50] <miss0r> thats the spirit :D
[07:52:40] <miss0r> Just to be sage, I already started spreading a bad rumor about your future products, to keep competition at a minimum :P
[07:52:44] <miss0r> safe*
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[07:54:29] <fragalot> >.> I've got this 1µs jitter on my controller I can't seem to get rid of
[07:54:49] <miss0r> :D
[07:55:00] <miss0r> Have you tried shaking your fist at it?
[07:55:09] <miss0r> also, try slapping it from underneath
[07:55:16] <fragalot> I've tried shaking the controller, does that count?
[07:55:18] <jthornton> enough programming for the day time to let the chickens out
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[07:55:40] <miss0r> is the controller small enough to fit in a closed fist? if not, no
[07:56:00] <fragalot> not really, it's about 120x120mm
[07:56:37] <miss0r> I have this crazy set of HSS+C drills. 0.5-10mm with 0.1mm increments. The crazy part is most of the drills are given with three decimals. i.e. 3.100mm
[07:56:41] <fragalot> and from the PCB design pov.. a freaking work of art getting this many components on, and still meet thermal design guidelines & EMI
[07:56:44] <miss0r> 7.000 etc
[07:56:54] <fragalot> I've got a set like that too
[07:57:04] <fragalot> inherited
[07:57:14] <fragalot> it's.. not complete, lol
[07:57:22] <miss0r> same goes for this, I know just about nothing about it origin
[07:57:30] <miss0r> I've kept it fully stocked
[07:57:47] <fragalot> where did you find micron sized drill bits to restock it with?
[07:58:02] <miss0r> but the replacement drills does not meet µ standard
[07:58:04] <fragalot> and - something i've wondered - what the hell do you use to sharpen them & keep tolerance :D
[07:58:37] <miss0r> hehe. I have no idea how anybody thought they could get away with selling µ precision HSS drills :D
[07:58:40] <fragalot> (i've never actually checked to see what size they drill, but I doubt they are as accurate as they claim)
[07:58:45] <miss0r> well, calling'em so
[07:59:04] <miss0r> they are good drills. but they drill oversize like all HSS drills
[07:59:21] <fragalot> guaranteed H8
[07:59:21] <fragalot> :P
[07:59:24] <miss0r> I inherited this from my friends work, the one i've been talking about
[07:59:34] <miss0r> along with alot of other stuff over the years
[07:59:36] <fragalot> the one that hides vital intel?
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[07:59:46] <miss0r> the one and same
[07:59:56] <fragalot> any news?
[08:00:07] <fragalot> and don't make me go there myself
[08:00:36] <miss0r> nope. To be honnest I think I need to call and put pressure on him myself. But seeing as I have no buyer - and it is better not to tempt myself, I think I'll let it slide
[08:00:55] <fragalot> xD
[08:00:58] <fragalot> smart move
[08:01:19] <miss0r> Tell that to 'night miss0r' whom cries himself to sleep wondering what could've been
[08:03:39] * fragalot needs to find machine skates by monday
[08:03:45] <fragalot> whilst working a fulltime job
[08:03:46] <fragalot> irk
[08:04:26] <miss0r> do what all other hobbyists do. Get some 1" water pipes (the galvanized steel ones) and roll it on that
[08:04:40] <fragalot> is the bottom of a schaublin flat enough for that?
[08:05:12] <miss0r> I honnestly can't remember ever seeing that model from underneath :D
[08:05:15] <fragalot> I know that it's definitely hollow as that's how you access the DC motor for rapids
[08:05:18] <miss0r> You'll have to study pictures
[08:05:37] <miss0r> how much does it weigh?
[08:05:49] <fragalot> between 600 to 800
[08:05:54] <miss0r> easy!
[08:06:02] <fragalot> if you've got room, yes
[08:06:16] <miss0r> you have room... just hardly enough
[08:06:19] <fragalot> hehe
[08:06:24] <fragalot> don't forget the gravel path
[08:06:32] <fragalot> where a truck forklift won't fit through
[08:06:49] <miss0r> hmm.. yeah - you'll need to have some steel plates put in place
[08:06:49] <fragalot> I *REALLY* hope the city doesn't roto-till it this weekend >.<
[08:07:02] <miss0r> or at the very least some sturdy plywood
[08:07:21] <miss0r> wtf is roto-till?
[08:07:32] <fragalot> I've got a stack of malaisian ply I was thinking of using
[08:07:51] <fragalot> roto-till = big spinny digger that upturns the soil to prevent weeds growing
[08:08:09] <fragalot> but it leaves it all loose so it's like walking on sand until the rain compacts it again
[08:08:16] <miss0r> is it stiff? one thing I have learned NEVER! to do again, is use too thin/too soft plywood for these operations. I have once before, perhaps, had a wheel plug a hole in a place leaving me all but stranded
[08:08:34] <fragalot> 18mm hardwood ply
[08:08:51] <miss0r> That sounds fine. as long as it is still in good condition
[08:08:58] <fragalot> brand spanking new
[08:09:12] <miss0r> also: take your time laying it out. fill in potholes ect. underneath.
[08:09:37] <miss0r> take some boards and screw the plates together somewhere it does not get in your way, so they don't slip on you
[08:09:47] <fragalot> why did you make me do this again? :D
[08:10:01] * miss0r looks behind himself
[08:10:03] <miss0r> ME?!
[08:10:03] <miss0r> :D
[08:10:52] <miss0r> as long as your wifey does not label me 'a disturber of the piece'
[08:11:45] <miss0r> I'm trying to get rid of my danotherm r2200va hot air station. Anyone in here interrested? Giving it away, you pay shipment
[08:12:21] <miss0r> fragalot: You know nothing about not having enough space in your shop. I have to think about what I keep in my boxes to make ends meet. Like the hot air station there
[08:12:49] <fragalot> my shop is 18m²
[08:12:52] <fragalot> yours is 40m²
[08:13:19] <fragalot> I don't even have any ceiling space left
[08:14:04] <miss0r> yet here you are, buying new machinery. Planning to add a homebuild CNC, clearly you have room to spare ;)
[08:14:25] <miss0r> I think this place would crumble if I bought a new screwdriver, without throwing another one out
[08:14:27] <fragalot> the CNC is likely to go underneath the table saw
[08:14:49] <miss0r> woah.. mr. bigspender.. I wish I had some room underneath something :D
[08:14:50] <fragalot> not sure what i'm going to do with the ikea-lista cabinet's contents that the saw is on now
[08:15:00] <miss0r> hehe I hear'ya
[08:15:00] <fragalot> but that's a problem for future fragalot
[08:15:21] <miss0r> yeah, and he is an idiot anyway
[08:15:40] <fragalot> dunno, sometimes I feel like he's smarter than I am
[08:15:48] <miss0r> illusions
[08:16:28] <miss0r> When I brought the EDM in here, I had to get rid of a small steel cabinet. I still haven't figuret out what to do with the rest of the stuff from there.
[08:16:55] <miss0r> At the moment my lathe only has 400mm usable travel, because I have stuff stacked on the ways in one end :o
[08:17:21] <fragalot> hehe
[08:20:23] <miss0r> at the moment I am here stalling for time. because the next step in my cleaning operation is taking a look at the stuff on before mentioned lathe
[08:20:56] <miss0r> Among other stuff, theres two 236A @ 12Vdc switchmode power supplys..
[08:21:13] <miss0r> I have no idea why I kept those. But it doesn't feel right to throw'em out :D
[08:27:06] <JT-Shop> woopee today is the chickens birthday they are hens now
[08:27:36] <miss0r> I do like the little ones :]
[08:30:08] <fragalot> quite tasty with the right marinade
[08:32:07] <miss0r> I only think you eat'em that small, in mcnuggets
[08:32:33] <fragalot> probably
[08:33:52] <miss0r> The stuff I keep sometimes: I have here two cisco switches. One is a 48port catalyst 2950 the other is a small buisness SG 200-18
[08:34:09] <miss0r> I have no idea what to do with it. But somehow I feel it is too good to throw out
[08:34:53] <fragalot> isn't that catalyst worth like €5 on ebay?
[08:35:33] <miss0r> upwards of 70
[08:35:38] <miss0r> :]
[08:36:11] <miss0r> Meh.. That thing was probally 2k new
[08:36:38] <fragalot> ChuckIt (tm)
[08:36:58] <miss0r> yeah...
[08:37:08] <miss0r> NO!
[08:37:17] * miss0r finds a small hole to push it in between stuff
[08:37:29] <fragalot> xD
[08:37:37] <fragalot> it's not even worth your time putting it on ebay anymore
[08:38:14] <miss0r> that makes me a little sad
[08:38:59] <gregcnc> do like everyone else, snap a pic in the darkest corner of the shop, post a model # and list it for 3-4 times it's real value
[08:39:01] <fragalot> this is why you left IT
[08:39:02] <fragalot> :P
[08:39:21] <miss0r> Had I only had it back in the day when small LAN partys was every weekend. You would have been the king showing up with a 48 port switch, instead of your own 5port hub you added to the pile of other hubs (preferably with a network loop somewhere in there)
[08:39:57] <fragalot> lol
[08:41:06] <miss0r> I actualy still host the ocational LAN party.. (maybe once a year) then we're like 10 people getting together playing the old games. only, when I build my mancave, I installed network plugs in the ceiling, along with power outlets, for ease of access :D
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[08:49:43] <miss0r> oh *shit*! i may have lost a small machinist jack in the chiptray before emptying it out into the big bin :-/
[08:50:13] <fragalot> magnet? :P
[08:50:44] <miss0r> well... I both emptied steel and alu today
[08:51:19] <fragalot> tidying up is never a good thing is it
[08:52:07] <miss0r> it realy isn't
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[09:00:29] <miss0r> fragalot: do you have vises to use with that mill of yours?
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[09:02:06] <miss0r> I have these two collecting du.. .chips: https://imgur.com
[09:02:34] <miss0r> both on swivel bases. I never use them. Now they have been set aside for 2 years
[09:02:43] <miss0r> and they are heavy :D
[09:03:30] <miss0r> Anyway; if anyone are interrested; i'm giving away these two vises: https://imgur.com They are in Denmark, and heavy. So it is probally costly to send them too far. I'm off
[09:04:22] <fragalot> miss0r: I've got 3, one that came with it, a 100mm grinding vise, and my 6" vertex
[09:05:32] <miss0r> yeah.. but do you have a 50kg vise with 250mm wide jaws, can can 'almost' grap 250? ON A SWIVEL BASE?! :D
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[09:05:58] <miss0r> Its probally too big for that machine anyway. Now I'm realy out
[09:07:18] <fragalot> :/
[09:07:39] <fragalot> I think the 250mm one can almost grab the table, lol
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[09:57:24] <jesseg> Good Morning
[10:02:23] <JT-Shop> hey
[10:06:28] <veek> is there a way to speed up the heating time of steel.. book says soak in heat for 'one half hour' and i'm thinking it's not 1/2hr
[10:06:53] <veek> it's a rockwell C test of hardness with a bunch of steels
[10:07:42] <veek> how can anyone heat samples for 1.5 hrs.. won't that consume a lot of gas
[10:08:32] <Wolf__> electric kill
[10:08:58] <SpeedEvil> veek: compute the thermal equilibrium period in the steel.
[10:09:10] <SpeedEvil> half an hour is not ridiculous for larger bits.
[10:09:28] <SpeedEvil> Steel isn't very conductive, and if you apply a step change from 25C to 800C, it's gonna range.
[10:09:35] <fragalot> veek: electric or induction heating
[10:09:42] <Wolf__> kiln/oven
[10:10:43] <gregcnc> heat treating is done in a furnace not with a torch
[10:11:11] <veek> fragalot, no idea i'm reading a book
[10:11:29] <fragalot> veek: no I was talking about how to do it, not asking a question :)
[10:11:41] <veek> SpeedEvil, thanks ok (need to google)
[10:11:45] <veek> fragalot, ah ok
[10:11:59] <SpeedEvil> Useful heat treating can be done with a torch. It's not very controlled and the part needs to be designed for it.
[10:12:24] <Wolf__> I’ll stick to using my heat treating oven
[10:12:59] <SpeedEvil> Oven is the best way.
[10:13:02] <gregcnc> yes, but in general for industry a furnace is used
[10:14:03] <Wolf__> I have something like http://www.paragonweb.com
[10:14:34] <veek> ah that's a nice furnace - guys have diy'd emm as well
[10:15:23] <Wolf__> except mine doesnt have that fancy controller on it, and its sitting waiting for me to glue it back together and put new coils in it
[10:18:16] <Wolf__> easier to just keep a eye out for someone selling a used kiln
[10:19:02] <gregcnc> yeah I got one of ebay or CL
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[11:22:56] <Chillum> you just need something that melts at the right temp to hold the switch on
[11:23:21] <Chillum> I knew a guy who used a sterling silver fork for annealing glass, when the right temp was reached the fork softened and released the switch
[11:23:53] <Chillum> probably need something hotter than sterling though
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[11:44:43] <JT-Shop> hazzy-dev: you around?
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[11:58:57] <JT-Shop> damn just screwed up the fixture I was working on... grabbed a 5/16 drill and tap for a 1/4... mill didn't even complain about the extra load of mismatched pitch
[11:59:11] <JT-Shop> make a new one after lunch
[12:13:55] <skunkworks> one of the epic mistakes was grabbing a hhs mill thinking it was carbide...
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[12:17:19] <jthornton> yea after lunch I'll label the tap rack and check the band saw for square as the last cut was not very square and build a new fixture
[12:17:35] <jthornton> if nothing else I'll get the fixture and part sorted out today
[12:18:15] <jthornton> skunkworks: I've got my 7i96 configuration tool reading, flashing and reloading the 7i96 :)
[12:20:41] * jthornton sees that the lunch minute is up so back to destroying stuff
[12:24:32] <skunkworks> jthornton: very cool!
[12:34:07] <JT-Shop> if you want to gander at it it's here https://github.com
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[12:50:44] <JT-Shop> tap rack labeled, band saw back to cutting straight...
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[13:18:09] <jesseg> Does anybody even use R-based arcs these days?
[13:19:11] <miss0r> <-
[13:19:25] <miss0r> jesseg, I do
[13:19:26] <jesseg> lol ok :D
[13:19:41] <miss0r> but I *DO* run a cnc from the mid '80s
[13:20:08] <jesseg> so do you prefer R-based arc for a particular reason, or is that the only arcs your machine supports?
[13:20:45] <miss0r> It does a few seprate ones. but it parses the R based one smoother, if I only run in two axis while doing it
[13:20:58] <jesseg> ahh gotcha
[13:21:15] <miss0r> when doing a ramped contour, I cheat it to use a partial of its thread milling subroutine :)
[13:21:40] <jesseg> lol
[13:21:44] <miss0r> example: N114 G3 X17.285 Z-78.6 I12.446 J9.677 K.05
[13:22:52] <miss0r> to quote a master poetry man 'you piss with the cock you've got' -AvE
[13:22:54] <jesseg> Isn't that just an IJK based arc?
[13:23:15] <miss0r> well, the philips 432 looks at it a bit differently
[13:23:25] <jesseg> ahh gotha.
[13:23:27] <jesseg> gotcha
[13:23:41] <jesseg> that's what's so amazing about gcode, so many flavors :D
[13:24:00] <miss0r> also what is the pain about it sometimes :)
[13:24:11] <jesseg> exactly
[13:24:12] <miss0r> luckily my cnc here came with some educational material.
[13:24:31] <jesseg> that's awfully nice
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[13:33:57] <miss0r> jesseg: Why the curiosity, if you don't mind me asking?
[13:43:11] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: to make it easier for most uhmericans can you ask them to combine Denmark and the Netherlands?
[13:43:38] <CaptHindsight> oh and maybe Finland, Sweden and Norway :)
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[13:48:09] <miss0r> Can we please leave sweden out of this. You can't trust these fellahs
[13:48:15] * miss0r pokes DaViruz
[13:49:43] <miss0r> you already have it easy, you know - Everywhere but the us is called 'over there' and everything within the US is called 'over here'. We're forced to learn geography in school, by law
[13:49:47] <miss0r> :þ
[13:50:05] <gregcnc> we are required to forget it after the test
[13:50:26] <miss0r> hehe
[13:50:41] <miss0r> Well, I'm no wizard when it comes to geography.
[13:51:00] <miss0r> I think, perhaps, my 2½yo son could draw a more detailed worldmap than me
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[13:58:06] <fragalot> 'sup
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[13:58:13] <miss0r> yo
[13:58:16] <fragalot> miss0r: how did your camera customer react btw?
[13:58:38] <fragalot> did he take the wooden one home? :D
[13:58:46] <miss0r> he didn't know if I was serious about the wooden one :D
[13:59:22] <fragalot> even though it was seriously accurate to within his specs? :D
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[14:08:48] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick will object but http://en.uncyclopedia.co
[14:09:48] <FinboySlick> Nah, that's pretty accurate.
[14:09:55] <CaptHindsight> hah
[14:10:36] <FinboySlick> Though to be honest, Quebec is probably more communist than the red parts.
[14:10:53] <fragalot> you were right. he did object.
[14:11:19] <FinboySlick> It's a mild objection!
[14:11:31] <fragalot> whatever, commie
[14:12:29] <FinboySlick> It's not ideological, it's just so I don't get sent to the New-Brunswick gulags.
[14:12:54] <miss0r> fragalot: long phone call...
[14:13:11] <miss0r> He was unsure weather or not I was pulling his chain about the wooden camera mount
[14:13:18] <fragalot> ._.
[14:13:34] <miss0r> Which, I think, made the real one look all the more sweet to him, once I handed it over
[14:13:39] <fragalot> :)
[14:14:01] <miss0r> I told him what was what, and that the actual price would be tripled, should he order more
[14:14:09] <miss0r> which he told me he might, when he saw it ;)
[14:14:20] <miss0r> (could just be a load'o'crap, but we will see)
[14:15:03] <fragalot> time will tell.
[14:15:16] <miss0r> I never thought i'd see the day, but I have too many vises.
[14:15:32] <fragalot> but if he's willing to pay 3x the price for a simple flip camera mount, either there is something wrong with him, or he's loaded
[14:15:36] <miss0r> I have three grinding vises & four mill vises.
[14:15:43] <miss0r> I ever only use one of each
[14:15:56] <miss0r> well, sometimes I use two grinding vises, but that is it
[14:16:07] <fragalot> I was gonna say, even I use 2 vises sometimes
[14:16:24] <fragalot> mainly putting a grinding vise in the milling vise to get an angle :P
[14:16:26] <miss0r> and those two chunky units in the lathe chippan are just too massive
[14:16:31] <miss0r> :D
[14:17:16] <miss0r> I wonder what to do with'em.
[14:17:28] <miss0r> I could never just throw them out. That would be senseless
[14:17:28] <fragalot> the guy that bought my mill could use a vise though, but it's his fault for not being in here. :D
[14:17:54] <miss0r> hehe. Tell him he can get one if he pays the postage from Denmark.
[14:18:04] <miss0r> I think the small one of the two might fit that rf25 pretty well
[14:18:11] <fragalot> 45!
[14:18:24] <miss0r> Perhaps, just perhaps I know someone who would be interrested in the big one
[14:18:31] <miss0r> details schmetails
[14:18:34] <Tom_L> i'd find it rather handy to have 2
[14:18:52] <miss0r> Tom_L: https://imgur.com
[14:18:57] <miss0r> These are just not what I use anymore
[14:19:26] <Tom_L> gawd those are old
[14:19:39] <miss0r> sure.. Old iron :]
[14:20:08] <miss0r> if I have something with too much overhang to handle in one vise on the mill, I tend to use machinist jacks & a clamping set
[14:20:24] <Tom_L> yeah i ended up doing that on a part here
[14:21:57] <miss0r> It happens :) I actualy often use superglue when machining parts, to safe setups. I have a wasteboard of alu, I clamp in that way, take off the top with a facemill & glue whatever I am working on onto there
[14:22:03] <miss0r> That almost never fails
[14:22:26] <Tom_L> i picked up another sacrificial plate today
[14:22:38] <Tom_L> 1.5" thick hunk
[14:23:05] <Tom_L> should last a while
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[14:23:56] <miss0r> yeah. I think the one I use started as 30mm its now down to 20. Starting to be a bit thin
[14:24:23] <Tom_L> i did it mostly for reach after raising my Z up 2"
[14:24:35] <Tom_L> but i think i'm gonna get some longer rails for Z eventually
[14:24:59] <Tom_L> i got all 3 as a bundle and Z was only 400mm
[14:25:32] <Tom_L> which is fine until you start using a vise and switching back and forth to the plate
[14:25:46] <miss0r> I don't seem to recall ever seeing your setup? I would love to see, if you don't mind sharing
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[14:26:20] <miss0r> I'm just cleaning brass shavings off the lathe at the moment anyway... I don't know what it is, but the brass chips stick to my cast iron like glue
[14:26:44] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[14:26:49] <Tom_L> that's a decent overall pic
[14:27:13] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[14:27:23] <Tom_L> you can nose around in there and find it in various states
[14:27:43] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[14:28:34] <miss0r> hows that square hollow section working out for'ya
[14:28:35] <miss0r> ?
[14:28:47] <Tom_L> square hollow?
[14:28:59] <Tom_L> i cut a trough for coolant drainage
[14:29:32] <Tom_L> i'm used to working off tooling plates so i kinda like it
[14:29:45] <Tom_L> i added a slot for the vise
[14:30:16] <miss0r> meh... my engrish is failing me :) the box sections you used for frame :)
[14:30:32] <Tom_L> oh, it's good and solid
[14:30:55] <miss0r> you are not experiencing any chatter from it?
[14:31:10] <Tom_L> no, ppl warned me about ringing etc and i don't get any
[14:31:21] <miss0r> nice
[14:31:38] <miss0r> I think your construction is small enough that you could've made it from just about anything(within reason)
[14:31:45] <Tom_L> other than just normal cutter noise
[14:31:49] <Tom_L> it's rather quiet
[14:31:49] <miss0r> sure
[14:32:13] <Tom_L> anything much bigger and i would have re'thought the construction
[14:32:38] <miss0r> sure. I think it looks fine. What tolerances can you hold with that thing?
[14:32:40] <Tom_L> the goal was 'something better than a sherline' and i think i far exceeded the goal
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[14:32:48] <miss0r> indeed
[14:33:04] <miss0r> I think you just have to consider buying a real mill, and it beats the sherline
[14:33:06] <Tom_L> i haven't checked that close but it seems rather accurate
[14:33:19] <miss0r> Nice
[14:33:42] <miss0r> I sometimes wish my mill was more modern.
[14:33:46] <Tom_L> i don't have super precision measuring equipment but the calipers show a round hole etc
[14:34:08] <miss0r> you can get alot more power and usable space from a newer machine
[14:34:33] <miss0r> A good test is to do a H7 bore on it, and see if you can push the corresponding shank of an endmill in there
[14:34:34] <Tom_L> this was done on a budget as a hobby so i'm rather pleased
[14:34:38] <miss0r> without too much slob :D
[14:34:46] <Tom_L> there are a few things i can nit'pick about
[14:34:54] <miss0r> I hear'ya
[14:34:58] <Tom_L> like more Z
[14:35:11] <miss0r> I started there as well. But quickly became tired of stuff that was sub standard
[14:35:24] <miss0r> I bought a chinesium 3040 cnc from ebay
[14:35:36] <Tom_L> if i were doing it as a business i wouldn't have even considered building one
[14:36:06] <miss0r> hehe. which brings me to the next step: I retrofitted an Arboga U2508 with ballscrews and steppers
[14:36:09] <Tom_L> but i think it's probably more rigid than all the 'box' ones you get on ebay etc
[14:36:17] <miss0r> At this point was was already in buisness
[14:36:25] <miss0r> absolutly!
[14:36:33] <miss0r> Your design looks rather pleasing
[14:36:49] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[14:36:53] <Tom_L> that's what i started with
[14:37:16] <miss0r> sure.. how square is it?
[14:37:50] <Tom_L> and now that i did this: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[14:37:59] <Tom_L> i need to extend Z down a bit more
[14:38:08] * fragalot is a squaring expert by now
[14:38:12] <Tom_L> i need to tram it again since i did that
[14:38:23] <miss0r> had I been asked when you were doing it, I would have recommended one thing;
[14:38:26] <Tom_L> but i broke a tip on my indicator so i'm waiting for one
[14:39:01] <miss0r> the box sections running from the column in the Y direction(supporting the table); I would have made those alot beefier. Perhaps twice the cross section
[14:39:15] <fragalot> you can never have too much beef.
[14:39:15] <miss0r> it happens
[14:39:32] <Tom_L> yeah, that hasn't been a noticeable problem yet
[14:39:41] <Tom_L> i thought about it
[14:39:51] <miss0r> fragalot: Unrelated to machines, I bought 2kgs of beefjerky from germany at some point(a few years back), because that stuff costs a fortune in Denmark.
[14:40:01] <miss0r> I consumed over the course of two weeks.
[14:40:02] <Tom_L> all the iron was from the scrap yard so i took what i could find
[14:40:04] <fragalot> haha
[14:40:06] <miss0r> That was too much beef
[14:40:13] <fragalot> i've got 1kg of ribs on the bbq right now
[14:40:23] <Tom_L> is that an invite?
[14:40:33] <miss0r> Tom_L: what did you do for flattening the supports for the linear rails?
[14:40:42] <Tom_L> shims
[14:40:42] <fragalot> miss0r: no it wasn't. There were just not enough people.
[14:40:59] <miss0r> fragalot: did you order the rest of the appatizers from a resteraunt?
[14:41:04] <Tom_L> it ended up being fairly flat
[14:41:09] <fragalot> miss0r: ordered them from my GF
[14:41:21] <miss0r> :]
[14:41:41] <miss0r> Tom_L: Define 'fairly' :) (I'm just curious here)
[14:42:09] <Tom_L> not in the tenths
[14:42:35] <miss0r> fragalot: Is there something to it about brass sticking to cast iron? I know that is what you'd use to weld it back together.. well, solder (brazing).. but at room temperature? :S
[14:42:52] <miss0r> Tom_L: remind me, are you imperial or metric?
[14:42:57] <Tom_L> inch
[14:43:18] <miss0r> so a few thousands?
[14:43:24] <fragalot> miss0r: I don't think so under normal circumstances
[14:43:34] <Tom_L> probably within 1 i'd guestimate
[14:43:57] <fragalot> if there is.. I guess the RF45 is going to self-calibrate the gibs, lol
[14:44:14] <miss0r> fragalot: I didn't either. But for the past few times i've been turning brass, it sticks all over the machine. Not to the painted(whatever still hangs on) parts though
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[14:45:09] <miss0r> it doesn't sit there crazy tight - but tight enough that I can't remove it with compressed air at 8 bar
[14:45:15] <fragalot_> unreliable continuous connections ftw.
[14:45:54] <fragalot_> aha! it's my porch light outside the shed that causes the signal to drop
[14:46:11] <fragalot_> long live high quality LED lights.. just as bad if not worse than the chinese ones
[14:46:11] * miss0r reloads the pumpgun
[14:47:45] <miss0r> so; if someone sneaks up to murder you, atleast your youtube live feed will disconnect, so we don't have to see it in detail - smart
[14:48:02] <fragalot_> :p
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[14:48:49] <miss0r> have ichs make you some sheilding for it ;)
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[14:53:01] <miss0r> just watching boney M. - daddy cool music video on youtube here. The dancing looks like a realy poorly planned underbudget sideshow act hehe
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[14:56:03] <fragalot_> miss0r: that's literally what boney M was
[14:56:13] <fragalot_> they're just actors that got f*ck all for thei rperformances
[14:57:11] <miss0r> well - the music is very enjoyable nontheless
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[14:59:52] <miss0r> meh. cleaning my lathe is always taking a long time - I always use wd40 to clean the ways of schmoo. spray on WD40, wipe down, repeat until clost comes off without colour change(i.e. only clean wd40). Then oil it up with 68 wayoil
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[15:01:28] <Tom_L> and here i thought you left all that grit on there like lapping compound to 'self fit' the surfaces
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[15:03:19] <miss0r> most of the time I do :þ
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[15:08:35] <miss0r> fragalot_: If I had your electric scraper, I would give the crossslide dovetails a makeover
[15:11:49] <fragalot_> come get it
[15:12:28] <miss0r> if I do, i'll bring the two vises and dump them at your place :D
[15:12:37] <miss0r> also, there better be rips when I get there :D
[15:13:12] <miss0r> At some point i'll make real on my threads. atleast the part about comming to visit
[15:13:22] <miss0r> But i'll wait until that mill of yours is settled in
[15:13:32] <fragalot_> damnit :p
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[15:16:46] <miss0r> Are you planning to get ajustable feet for it? or are you going to shim it?
[15:17:10] <fragalot_> already have those from the rf45
[15:17:29] <fragalot_> each ratedd for like 20ton, wedge style ._.
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[15:17:45] <miss0r> A new star is on the set, and you are letting it wear the shoes of the old one? It better not have a personality.
[15:17:51] <miss0r> :]
[15:17:56] <fragalot_> :p
[15:21:56] <miss0r> I think the time has come for me to completely abandon my 5-axis build, and put the peices back into stock
[15:24:05] <fragalot_> put it with your safe
[15:24:07] <fragalot_> :D
[15:25:10] <Roguish> Tom_L: another probe stylus seller https://www.cmms.com
[15:25:43] * miss0r slaps fragalot with some cast iron
[15:25:49] <miss0r> I have to move that too *sigh*
[15:26:49] <Roguish> miss0r: try kerosene or BBQ lighter fluid (close to the same) for cleaning. lots cheaper that wd40 and works good.
[15:27:54] <miss0r> sure. theres only realy two things I clean with WD40 - the lathe ways and the mill table. For all the covers I use kerosene. but thanks
[15:28:17] <miss0r> I feel it is easier to wipe off WD40 prior to oiling it up properly, than it is with kerosene
[15:28:40] * fragalot_ usually uses denatured alcohol
[15:28:52] <miss0r> :o
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[15:29:25] <miss0r> Degreasers are a pain to clean surfaces such as these with, in my opinion
[15:29:34] <fragalot_> how so
[15:30:05] <miss0r> unless you use alot I feel it dries up on me leaving everything stuck
[15:30:06] <XXCoder> 63f peak here wow
[15:30:40] <fragalot_> miss0r: that's why you do small sections at a time moving your way down the machine
[15:31:12] <Tom_L> Roguish, yeah i posted that after you left the other day although i don't think they have indicator tips
[15:31:38] <miss0r> fragalot_: Well, at best it cleans just as well as wd40, only it takes forever with the small sections
[15:32:01] <miss0r> another thing; I never leave the table on the cnc "dry". It always has an oil film
[15:32:02] <Tom_L> Roguish, at least with carbideprobes i was able to enter the mfg Pn and come up with a result
[15:33:11] <miss0r> but thats just my opinion anyway :] you use whatever you want ;)
[15:33:15] * miss0r does more cleaning
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[15:33:31] <fragalot_> miss0r: I've not yet had to degrease the ways, those just get a wipe with disposable rags & fresh oil
[15:33:41] <fragalot_> but the rest of the machine surfaces get degreased
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[15:34:33] <miss0r> Could I intrest you in a handhelt vibrating engraver ? best guess for build year; sometime around the '60s
[15:34:44] <fragalot_> pics
[15:35:33] <miss0r> bleh.. sure. I was just going to throw it out, but sure.
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[15:38:02] <Tom_L> well a stop to the scrap got me a plat and i scored some more of these extruded boxes of various sizes today: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[15:38:10] <Tom_L> plate*
[15:38:24] <fragalot_> miss0r: why would you throw out a perfectly good engraver! :P
[15:38:39] <Tom_L> maybe he prefers laser etching
[15:38:43] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: nice
[15:38:48] <miss0r> lol...
[15:38:58] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, yea they make great tool storage boxes
[15:39:16] <XXCoder> Tom_L: lol your step sizes is backwards standard, but otherwise nice!
[15:39:21] <JT-Shop> I see why now, some time in the past I moved the part in onecnc but didn't repick the path
[15:39:34] <miss0r> fragalot_: because it belongs in a museum, and I don't use it
[15:39:37] <miss0r> like _ever_
[15:39:50] <miss0r> uploading...
[15:40:09] <XXCoder> vibrating engraver is that what they call it now? used to be massager ;)
[15:40:10] <miss0r> https://imgur.com
[15:40:40] <fragalot_> holy crap that does belong in a museum
[15:40:40] <miss0r> XXCoder: I think you are talking about the 'low power' one :P
[15:40:41] <XXCoder> wow wood case and everything
[15:40:46] <XXCoder> lol
[15:40:58] <miss0r> Yeah. wooden handle as well
[15:41:16] <Tom_L> that looks dangerous :D
[15:41:24] <miss0r> nah nah nah... Don't worrie about it
[15:41:35] <miss0r> Safety was peaking in the '60s
[15:42:00] <miss0r> Theres a small transformer in that box, so its not that dangerous
[15:42:20] <Tom_L> reminds me of those x-ray shoe fit machines
[15:42:31] <Tom_L> Fluoroscope
[15:42:47] <miss0r> :D
[15:42:59] <XXCoder> bah my eyes is burning
[15:43:04] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[15:43:04] <XXCoder> damn smoke
[15:43:05] <miss0r> hardly the same level of complexity
[15:43:16] <Tom_L> heh true, it just reminded me...
[15:43:52] <XXCoder> Tom_L: lol I remember those
[15:44:01] <XXCoder> dont think I ever used one though
[15:44:10] <XXCoder> only saw one in my life
[15:44:25] <miss0r> sounds realy safe :D
[15:44:39] <Tom_L> Dr Scholls is still around too
[15:44:48] <miss0r> fragalot_: So should I bring it to you on my road trip? :D
[15:44:49] <XXCoder> ya know
[15:44:54] <fragalot_> miss0r: Hell no. :D
[15:44:54] <XXCoder> we can make one like that again
[15:44:58] <XXCoder> only no xrays
[15:45:05] <XXCoder> just backscatter ultrasonics
[15:45:06] <miss0r> ahh, thats a yes ! :D
[15:46:54] <JT-Shop> I guess that is what you get when you change how your making a part and come back to it months later and try to make a part with partway cam
[15:47:53] <Tom_L> i've collected a few paper weights over time as well
[15:49:54] <fragalot_> all my parts turn out perfect
[15:49:58] <fragalot_> not always according to plan
[15:50:03] <fragalot_> but perfect nonetheless
[15:50:18] <miss0r> spoken like a true abstract artist!
[15:50:19] <miss0r> :D
[15:50:43] <fragalot_> :D
[15:50:49] <miss0r> Married, with children. You gotta love Al bundy :] I just stumbled across a video of his best insults: https://www.youtube.com
[15:50:50] <miss0r> haha
[15:51:18] <XXCoder> aww not captioned
[15:51:28] <XXCoder> I liked that show. dumb show but..
[15:52:21] <miss0r> hehe it was great :D
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[15:53:29] <XXCoder> 6 year old video has comments happening hours ago.
[15:54:59] <miss0r> hehe 5:30 -> end
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[16:00:50] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[16:00:54] <Tom_L> for a couple bux
[16:01:11] <Tom_L> they had bigger ones but i was afte small parts boxes
[16:01:44] <fragalot_> i've got loads of alu boxes made by my grandfather... 5mm wall thickness and they don't stack at all
[16:01:54] <fragalot_> about that size you have
[16:02:54] <XXCoder> Tom_L: looks like punched type boxes
[16:02:59] <XXCoder> pretty cool
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[16:19:09] <fragalot> rain! precious rain!
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[16:19:14] <fragalot> rain! precious rain!
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[16:20:43] <XXCoder> lol
[16:20:58] <XXCoder> doubt it will rain here but in least its nice and cloudy
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[16:32:23] <XXCoder> interesting https://arstechnica.com
[16:32:43] <XXCoder> hope that will evenually make skimmers almost impossible, but im sure they will find a way anyway
[16:37:14] <fragalot> There is ALWAYS a way
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[16:41:27] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:41:36] <XXCoder> just harder
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[16:52:33] <jesseg> miss0r, sorry for late response - ran to help a friend with a lawnmower and weedeater - my curiosity with g code arcs is because I'm writing replacement firmware for one of those Cricut stencil cutter units - and I'm making it decode essential gcodes. And the R based arc is kind of limited because it gets dicey if you want to do a full circle in a single gcode :P
[16:54:21] <Tom_L> iirc on the boss5 we had to do 4 quadrant arcs
[16:54:57] <Tom_L> or it would take off in another direction
[16:55:03] <jesseg> lol
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[17:12:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:19:16] <jesseg> Ø 1 / 1 2
[18:19:17] <jesseg> "
[18:19:17] <jesseg> xØ1/4
[18:19:17] <jesseg> "
[18:19:17] <jesseg> x4
[18:19:21] <jesseg> ugh sorry.
[18:19:26] <jesseg> that was one line from a PDF
[18:19:51] <jesseg> but anyone have any idea what it means?
[18:20:09] <jesseg> it's the description for a spacer ring or sleeve or something in my mill head
[18:20:42] <jesseg> Supposed to look more like Ø 1 / 1 2" x Ø1/4" x4
[18:26:59] <jesseg> It's item 47 on page 12-5 https://www.atrump.com
[18:27:21] <jesseg> and I'm trying to figure out what size it's supposed to see so I can tell if it's a part I have, or a part that is missing.
[18:28:11] <jesseg> There are two spacer rings that I have that go on that shaft, but I'm not sure if one of them is #47.
[18:28:45] <jesseg> hazzy-dev or Wolf__ , if you might have any suggestions I'd be most grateful!
[18:29:30] <jesseg> I did get in the new spindle hub #45 -- and it's longer than the old one -- which is good, because I thought it should be -- but now I'm wondering if there's a missing spacer on the extra length :D
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[20:33:29] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[20:35:35] <CaptHindsight> Spindle speeds up to....6000 RPM
[20:36:09] <CaptHindsight> Tool change time (tool to tool)...... 5 SECONDS
[20:36:17] <CaptHindsight> both considered slow these days
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[20:56:00] <{HD}> Wolf__: I made my board today and the spray paint won’t come off. I tried to use acetone and a qtip to remove the paint just from the pads but when that didn’t work I just scrubbed the board with acetone and that didn’t work either.
[20:56:19] <{HD}> Maybe I need weaker spraypaint or a stronger solvent.
[20:56:31] <Tom_L> what kind of paint was it?
[21:00:12] <{HD}> Rustolem something or other
[21:08:13] <{HD}> I have some stripeeez I just hope it doesn’t melt the fiberglass stuffs.
[21:08:15] <CaptHindsight> try lacquer thinner or MEK
[21:08:46] <CaptHindsight> {HD}: is it a single part urethane by chance?
[21:08:52] <CaptHindsight> or epoxy?
[21:09:31] <CaptHindsight> also try Xylene
[21:09:47] <{HD}> The paint? I don’t think so. I thought it was just flat black but it was an old can...
[21:10:17] <CaptHindsight> acetone is great for fast dry and thinning
[21:10:35] <CaptHindsight> but it's not the most aggressive
[21:12:35] <{HD}> I just plopped it in a container with some acetone to sit overnight since I could’t find the strupeez
[21:14:52] <CaptHindsight> in case it's nail polish remover it's not 99% acetone
[21:15:06] <CaptHindsight> so will be even poorer
[21:16:00] <Rab> {HD}, aerosol brake parts cleaner will cut through just about anything, and doesn't leave a residue. Carb cleaner is a little more aggressive, a little less clean.
[21:16:46] <{HD}> I do have some chlorinated disc brake cleaner but that’s some pretty nasty stuff.
[21:17:18] <{HD}> I’ll see if it has softened up by the morning. And it is straight acetone I don’t have any fingernail polish remover laying around. LOL
[21:18:35] <CaptHindsight> it's mostly IPA with acetone and whatever is cheap when they make it
[21:20:28] <CaptHindsight> but they also want that with a very high vapor pressure for quick drying
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[22:59:15] <jesseg> Well... $1160 of parts for my mill have now arrived, now I just need to put them in :P
[22:59:30] <jesseg> I guess the guy who had my mill before me thrashed it for fair
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