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[02:14:43] <Wolf__> i’m cooked, was nasty out here today and I was stuck working outside from 10am till about 11:30pm
[02:15:59] <Wolf__> truck I was working on said 102, and thats not counting the heat index
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[02:51:53] <Deejay> moin
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[03:08:11] <fragalot> hey
[03:19:49] <CaptHindsight> yo
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[03:38:36] <fragalot> gloops: because you asked a while ago: it seems that fusion360 *CAN* do full 5-axis
[03:38:48] <fragalot> true 5-axis*
[03:45:31] <miss0r> goodmorning(ish)
[03:45:38] <miss0r> :o gloopsis here
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[03:47:27] <fragalot> mornin miss0r
[03:47:51] <miss0r> goodmorning. What are we up to today?
[03:51:44] <miss0r> I'm thinking I should do some hard milling today. (only here for a few hours anyway). I need to make some tooling for a special cutter
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[03:56:28] <fragalot> miss0r: going out to pick up plumbing supplies, I mean, machine skates
[03:56:39] <miss0r> same difference ;)
[03:56:40] <fragalot> then build a small ramp to clear the step into my shed
[03:56:54] <fragalot> (with small, I mean as long as possible :P)
[03:57:03] <fragalot> which is, given where it's going, still quite small.
[03:57:04] <miss0r> yeah :)
[03:57:17] <fragalot> but it's only a 10cm step, so .. eh.
[03:57:29] <miss0r> I have the same issue here
[03:57:41] <miss0r> well, not the exact same issue
[03:58:04] <fragalot> of course you don't, with your fancy shed that's OVER TWICE THE SIZE of mine
[03:58:13] <miss0r> I bought a set of those ramps for car transport trailers. and made a bracket so I can snap'em on the entrance
[03:58:15] <fragalot> I bet you even have a large door opening :P
[03:58:23] <fragalot> that works
[03:58:32] <miss0r> the door is 80cm
[03:58:48] <fragalot> I was going to go cheap & make beech ramps with a 2mm sheet metal plate on top
[03:58:50] <miss0r> (custom made by my old boss retired carpenter father)
[03:58:57] <miss0r> good idea
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[04:00:09] <miss0r> a shitty wooden door, actualy. it moves alot in the humid weather... in the dry summer, you have to use the lock to keep it closed when it is in its dry state.
[04:00:18] <miss0r> when it is very humid, it binds
[04:00:19] <Wolf__> thing too heavy to move, just get someone else to lift it like https://i.imgur.com
[04:00:19] <miss0r> :-/
[04:00:28] <fragalot> hehe
[04:00:42] <fragalot> Wolf__: what happened to the hole idea?
[04:00:59] <Wolf__> would need to clean all the dirt off after
[04:01:02] <syyl_> hm
[04:01:02] <Wolf__> too much work
[04:01:08] <fragalot> :P
[04:01:11] <syyl_> yay?
[04:01:16] <syyl_> seems to work finaly
[04:01:18] <fragalot> syyl_: I sold my RF45... in like, half an hour ._.
[04:01:27] <syyl_> i heard about that
[04:01:30] <Wolf__> crane said that thing was 11,00lbs
[04:01:38] <syyl_> finaly got round to register my nick on freenode ;)
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[04:01:43] <fragalot> lol
[04:01:49] <fragalot> make sure to link an alternative
[04:01:53] <syyl_> thats why i never answered :D
[04:02:14] <miss0r> fragalot: Rent a crane. have it lift the roof off your shed and lower the mill in, and put the roof back on :]
[04:02:14] <fragalot> oh yeah.. I forgot I had PM's disabled from unregistered nicks :D
[04:02:43] <fragalot> miss0r: cranes that size can't get 'round the back.. so they would need to span OVER the house, and reach about 40m
[04:02:54] <miss0r> Whats your point?
[04:02:55] <Wolf__> $600 for 1.5hrs
[04:03:01] <fragalot> miss0r: big mofo of a crane
[04:03:11] <miss0r> still waiting for the punchline
[04:03:45] <Wolf__> if they drop it from high enough they wont need to take the roof off
[04:04:10] <fragalot> Wolf__: I think, knowing how the shed is constructed, you could just place it on top gently & get the same effect
[04:04:18] <Wolf__> lol
[04:04:31] <miss0r> lol
[04:05:41] <gloops> .
[04:05:57] <miss0r> gloops! you've been gone a long time ;)
[04:06:02] <gloops> wow, finally freenode snailmail gets my registration link to me!
[04:06:31] <fragalot> I wonder how many others have just been quiet because of this, lol
[04:06:32] <gloops> must be a few weeks miss0r yes
[04:06:54] <Wolf__> slackers
[04:08:09] <fragalot> christ I've apparently registered my nick (12y 31w 4d ago)
[04:08:18] <miss0r> damn
[04:08:22] <miss0r> how to tell?
[04:08:26] <fragalot> msg nickserv info
[04:08:52] <miss0r> I'm a mere rookie compared to you; 8y 34w 6d ago
[04:09:14] <miss0r> I win on two out'a three... so I win? :O
[04:09:23] <fragalot> lol
[04:09:34] <Wolf__> mines not that old
[04:10:04] <miss0r> I used to be on quakenet. That one must be old(assuming it still exists, which I realy doubt it does)
[04:10:14] <fragalot> probably does
[04:10:21] <fragalot> I never registered there
[04:10:21] <Wolf__> 4y 32w 3d
[04:10:49] <miss0r> Wolf__: You should only speak when spoken to, young one!
[04:10:50] <miss0r> :P
[04:10:51] <Wolf__> I use to use undernet back in ’94…
[04:11:05] <gloops> well i wont be reading the back logs anyway lol
[04:11:17] * miss0r sets up a connection with quakenet to see if he is still registered
[04:11:22] <fragalot> (PS. you can request info on others too)
[04:11:47] <Wolf__> this was the overkill for the day https://i.imgur.com 30ton crane
[04:11:51] <miss0r> I'm glad I didn't make up a crazy number then
[04:12:28] <fragalot> Wolf__: that number goes down quick if they need to reach out though :P
[04:12:36] <fragalot> like that 720ton crane I linked to
[04:12:37] <Wolf__> yeah
[04:12:54] <fragalot> anyway - i'm off to the shops
[04:12:55] <fragalot> cy
[04:12:55] <fragalot> a
[04:13:07] <miss0r> meh. I can't even remember what the quakenet equivalent of nickserv is
[04:13:12] <miss0r> good trip
[04:13:14] <Wolf__> but seeing we only needed to go up like a meter…
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[04:15:11] <Wolf__> oh well, sleep then more truck works… then wait for more crap that needs to go on that garbage truck, then another one to do, or I think we have like 6 more lined up to install
[04:15:32] <miss0r> heh. quakenet member since '98
[04:15:42] <Wolf__> lol
[04:16:01] <miss0r> and quakenet was my first experience with IRC.
[04:17:44] <Wolf__> the old days of ping flooding the dial up users off line
[04:18:11] <miss0r> :]
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[04:20:56] <miss0r> I'm glad I found thise place. The only thing I wouldn't mind finding still, was a proper machinist channel. I know theres alot of machinists in here, but the vast majority are here only for linuxcnc
[04:21:09] <Wolf__> oh yeah, sleep, need sleep, damn work…
[04:21:18] <miss0r> Have a good one ;)
[04:21:20] <Wolf__> facebook has a few good ones
[04:22:00] * miss0r is not on there
[04:22:02] <Wolf__> youtube machinists group on there is somewhat active
[04:22:40] <miss0r> I guess my company should make a facebook profile at some point
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[04:25:00] <Wolf__> a good machinist channel would be nice…
[04:25:23] <miss0r> Wolf__: Go sleep! :)
[04:26:15] <Wolf__> still have wiring schematics flying around my head
[04:27:22] <miss0r> :D I know the feeling
[04:28:34] <Wolf__> didn’t help that install directions had stuff like “BUTT SPLICE TO PIN 5 WIRE FROM THE BLACK PLUG ON ENGINE”...
[04:28:39] <Wolf__> not helpful
[04:29:46] <miss0r> I'm sure that means something
[04:29:51] <Wolf__> 10+ black plugs on the engine
[04:29:51] * miss0r graps the engrish dictionary
[04:30:12] <miss0r> No visual aides?
[04:30:19] <Wolf__> nope lol
[04:30:46] <miss0r> did you try cleaning it ? :D
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[04:31:05] <Wolf__> lol no, truck is new thank god
[04:31:34] <miss0r> damn them. they figured they could same a few cents replacing all the coloured ones with all black
[04:32:29] <Wolf__> real directions would state what the plug is connected to, how many pins…
[04:32:47] <Wolf__> but, nope
[04:33:21] <miss0r> you mush have some idea what 'signals' you are looking for. That could be of some help
[04:34:31] <Wolf__> somewhat, its a neg signal wire for idle up
[04:35:39] <Wolf__> deisel mechanic I am not
[04:36:09] <miss0r> idle up must be connected to the computer
[04:36:15] <miss0r> the one handeling the injection
[04:36:38] <miss0r> so, not on the engine itself, more likely a box near it
[04:36:56] <Wolf__> thats my guess, but 2x 80 pin in to the ECM on the side of the motor, I’m not going to randomly start splicing stuff
[04:37:24] <miss0r> I'm sure if you did a google search for that unit and idle up, you'd find something
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[04:37:48] <Wolf__> guy I work with tried that, no luck
[04:39:52] <miss0r> damn
[04:40:11] <miss0r> Sounds like you need to go spend money getting what ever you are playing with hooked up then
[04:40:35] <Wolf__> ha, proper search terms help, bodybuilder manual
[04:41:15] <miss0r> ahh indeed
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[06:02:21] <miss0r> I have here in front of me two tapmatic tapping heads, one is a model 1A, the other is an X50. I bought the both of them for ~134eur total. which I think is a damn fine price. But they are not complete. The X50 has no collects and the captive nut is missing. The 1A has the captive nut and one collect in there.
[06:02:49] <miss0r> Would any of you guys know how to get about getting new collects for these? the nut I should be able to machine without too much trouble
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[06:07:21] <SpeedEvil> Is 'collect' an actual term, or an autocorrect of collet.
[06:09:10] <miss0r> if by autocorrect you mean, me thinking that was the name all along, then; yes - autocorrect
[06:09:11] <miss0r> :)
[06:09:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
[06:09:59] <SpeedEvil> Collets seem annoyingly fun to machine in most cases.
[06:10:58] <miss0r> well, if i'm to stick to the original design, its going to be fore annoying than fun. The original design calls for 4, 6 or 8 small steel wedges held together with rubber
[06:11:07] <miss0r> more*
[06:11:12] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com - sort of related
[06:11:20] <SpeedEvil> MAKING AND USING LARGE DIAMETER LAPS
[06:12:53] <miss0r> You gotta love that guy
[06:13:52] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: I assume tapmatic doesn't have spares?
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[06:14:11] <miss0r> From what I can read, you have to send the unit in for repair to get spares :)
[06:14:45] <SpeedEvil> At rather more than $134 for two, I guess.
[06:15:07] <miss0r> that would be my guess
[06:15:15] <miss0r> They are not big on writing their pricing anywhere
[06:15:26] <miss0r> which usualy means expensive, in my experience
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[06:28:09] <diep> Good Morning. In Stepconf i can move each axis. If i start AXIS after that with the created profile - i have no manual control seemingly. Doesn't even show it's connected. What can i try?
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[06:48:55] <gloops> are the interface controls active diep? or greyed out
[06:49:09] <diep> good question - taking look
[06:49:44] <diep> started program again - AXIS
[06:49:49] <diep> manual control F3 it says
[06:49:54] <diep> underneath it everything is grey
[06:50:06] <gloops> http://bues.ch
[06:50:31] <gloops> top image, hit the X at the top left then the button to the right of it
[06:51:11] <diep> you mean underneath the manual control?
[06:51:15] <diep> that's grey here
[06:51:53] <gloops> no the red square with the X
[06:52:04] <gloops> red circle
[06:52:12] <diep> ok trying
[06:52:29] <diep> nothing happens if i click on the red X
[06:53:13] <gloops> ok, just to clarify, you have run stepconfig, that makes a profile - you have found that profile and run it?
[06:53:23] <diep> yes
[06:53:27] <diep> i made a profile
[06:53:35] <diep> and inside the stepconf i could move all 3 axis
[06:53:42] <diep> then i saved it
[06:53:51] <diep> and i clicked on the launch button now
[06:53:58] <diep> then get automatically in the program AXIS
[06:54:43] <diep> is it possible i specified the X Y Z axis correct but something else i didn't do?
[06:54:53] <diep> which AXIS expects?
[06:55:09] <gloops> no it shouldnt be greyed out, did you click the button at the side of the red X?
[06:55:26] <diep> i clicked on the X nothing happens
[06:55:28] <gloops> if there was an error in the profile it wouldnt load
[06:55:34] <diep> as if it can't communicate to the CNC box
[06:55:41] <gloops> and the button at the side of the X?
[06:56:01] <diep> oh i must first load a profile in AXIS?
[06:56:04] <gloops> i havent got linuxcnc on this PC so working from distant memory load
[06:56:20] <gloops> lol
[06:56:28] <jthornton> diep can you jog an axis?
[06:56:37] <diep> in stepconf i can
[06:56:42] <diep> but not in AXIS jthornton
[06:57:07] <jthornton> does the tool on the screen move when you try to jog in Axis?
[06:57:08] <diep> and the manual control is grey
[06:57:22] <gloops> the button at the side of the X is start
[06:57:32] <diep> yes that one i can't click
[06:57:36] <gloops> you need to activate the controls
[06:57:50] <diep> how do i activate the controls?
[06:57:59] <gloops> im thinking you have got an emergency stop switch open
[06:58:18] <jthornton> starting at the top left the estop must be off F1 toggles it
[06:58:39] <jthornton> then the power must be on and F2 toggles that
[06:58:47] <diep> the red X seems pushed in
[06:58:56] <diep> if i click F1 that doesn't change
[06:58:58] <jthornton> then the manual control tab should be active
[06:59:08] <diep> yes it is
[06:59:16] <diep> but all grey
[06:59:50] <diep> maybe in stepconf i didn't define something?
[07:00:00] <diep> i only defined XYZ and port 1
[07:00:17] <diep> if you hit X what does it ship to the machine?
[07:00:20] <jthornton> post a screen shot of Axis on imagebin.ca
[07:00:27] <diep> can i email it?
[07:00:38] <diep> let me make a picture
[07:00:48] <jthornton> I don't have email in the beer cave
[07:01:36] <diep> got the picture - transferring it to an internet box now here
[07:02:27] <gloops> the button at the side of the rec circle with X - play with those 2 buttons
[07:03:22] <jthornton> is is kind of confusing the estop must be off and the power must be on
[07:04:19] <diep> well i can move axis in stepconf
[07:04:26] <diep> when defining or modifying the profile
[07:04:28] <diep> but not in AXIS
[07:04:52] <gloops> just find the config on the desktop and open it from there
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[07:05:01] <diep> i did
[07:05:04] <diep> then it opens axis
[07:05:18] <gloops> right
[07:05:33] <diep> button called: "launch 3040'
[07:05:58] <gloops> and played with those 2 buttons mentioned and the controls dont light up
[07:05:59] <jthornton> https://imagebin.ca
[07:06:11] <diep> if i click the X button nothing happens
[07:06:13] <jthornton> the estop and power buttons need to look like that
[07:06:29] <diep> what does it ship to the CNC if i click it?
[07:06:33] <jthornton> did you define an external estop in stepconf?
[07:06:37] <diep> i didn't
[07:06:44] <gloops> diep do you have an emergency stop switch?
[07:06:50] <gloops> on the machine?
[07:06:53] <diep> yes that blue box has a red button
[07:07:15] <diep> i didn't define the miilling motor either
[07:07:26] <gloops> anywa got to go to IKEA with the mrs...disgusting waste of time
[07:07:27] <diep> as the blue box i can select analogue how many rpm the DC motor makes
[07:07:40] <diep> good luck at IKEA
[07:07:47] <jthornton> can you post your hal file to https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:08:02] <diep> hal file?
[07:08:15] <diep> let me locate a *.hal on da box
[07:08:21] <diep> i'm bit command line linux still
[07:08:38] <jthornton> linuxcnc/configs
[07:10:40] <diep> ah give me a few minutes - first must connect from that box to the internal TLS server
[07:10:44] <diep> to upload that file
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[07:10:51] <diep> didn't configure networking yet
[07:11:04] <diep> found the hal file
[07:11:12] <diep> 3040.hal
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[07:34:36] <diep> oh la la lots of dependencies just to install filezilla :)
[07:34:51] <diep> and harddrive of this old box too small to hold all wheezy files
[07:41:47] <jthornton> in your main hal file see if you have a line similar to this
[07:41:48] <jthornton> net estop-loop iocontrol.0.user-enable-out => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
[07:53:50] <diep> nearly there - filezilla works :)
[07:54:04] <diep> the 512MB ram in the old box seems a limit though
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[07:56:43] <diep> and of course if you say so then the network doesn't work as it should :)
[07:57:01] <diep> let me find the net estop-loop
[07:57:55] <diep> no such line in the hal file
[07:58:08] <diep> there is net estop-out and net estop-ext
[07:58:42] <diep> let me add this line to the file
[07:58:47] <diep> and see the result...
[07:59:03] <jthornton> yea estop will not work without that line
[07:59:47] <diep> doh emacs not working
[07:59:58] <diep> let me find another one as vi i can't remember what it was
[08:00:57] <jthornton> nano
[08:01:11] <jthornton> or pluma
[08:01:19] <diep> yup
[08:01:26] <diep> mousepad it seems is default nowadays in debian
[08:04:21] <diep> i saved it into the hal file
[08:04:26] <diep> then i clicked on launch 3040
[08:04:36] <diep> and it doesn't start - instead i get a LinuxCNC Errors
[08:04:54] <jthornton> need the specific error
[08:06:19] <diep> i guess you looking for this one
[08:06:26] <diep> debug file information:
[08:06:53] <jthornton> did LinuxCNC toss up an error screen?
[08:07:00] <diep> ./3040.hal:84: Pin 'iocontrol.0.user-enable-out was already linked to signal 'estop-out'
[08:07:01] <jthornton> usually the error is in there
[08:07:03] <diep> 5304
[08:07:10] <jthornton> yes
[08:07:11] <diep> yes error screen
[08:07:18] <diep> i can make a photo if it helps
[08:07:36] <diep> somehow the network light is not blinking so no network until i probably modified firewall of linuxcnc
[08:07:52] <jthornton> comment out that line you added and look for iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
[08:08:21] <diep> yes the hal file has just above that line i added:
[08:08:51] <diep> net estop-out <= iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
[08:09:08] <diep> net estop-ext => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
[08:09:27] <diep> oh wait let me find iocontrol.0
[08:09:34] <jthornton> that is correct then
[08:09:44] <jthornton> well no
[08:09:59] <jthornton> ext suggests an external estop is configured
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[08:10:34] <diep> i can modify that in the stepconf wizard?
[08:11:43] <jthornton> yes look at the inputs and see if you have estop configured
[08:11:47] <diep> i had followed this crashcourse linuxcnc configuring : https://www.youtube.com
[08:11:57] <diep> ok let me open the wizard
[08:13:39] <diep> drivertype i had not filled in
[08:13:44] <diep> should put 'sherline' there?
[08:14:26] <diep> aha it says there pin 10: estop in
[08:14:33] <diep> though i'm 100% sure i had put it all at unused
[08:14:38] <diep> also it suddenly has A axis
[08:14:42] <jthornton> no you don't need driver type just the timings
[08:14:53] <jthornton> that is a stupid default
[08:15:05] <diep> i had removed that default
[08:15:08] <jthornton> as well as the estop is a stupid default
[08:15:23] <diep> pin 1 : estop out is correct?
[08:15:31] <diep> or should i only define X Y Z and nothing else?
[08:15:41] <diep> step + dir for each axis
[08:15:48] <jthornton> no should be none unless you have an external estop wired to pin 1
[08:16:04] <jthornton> yea only define what you have
[08:16:14] <diep> it's all at unused now
[08:16:27] <jthornton> that is correct
[08:16:30] <jthornton> dumb defaults
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[08:17:01] <diep> saved and quit
[08:17:10] <diep> let me reopen the wizard again to check it's unused all now
[08:18:16] <diep> is it possible that if you close the wizard with X on the right top - that it still saves that file using defaults and not leave it unchanged?
[08:18:51] <diep> let's launch it again :)
[08:19:49] <diep> cool now i can click the red X and the next button to start machine again
[08:20:14] <diep> YES manual works now
[08:20:17] <diep> thanks (y)
[08:23:43] <jthornton> no problem
[08:23:59] * jthornton goes to pick up chicken poop
[08:24:38] <diep> how many have you got?
[08:26:48] <diep> back to getting the axis at 90 degrees or parallel trammed...
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[08:42:13] <jthornton> 9 Rhode Island Red hens
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[08:55:03] <fragalot> hi
[08:57:19] <jthornton> hey
[09:02:22] <jthornton> diep: the best place to look for information about LinuxCNC is the documents
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[09:14:41] <Tom_L> 68F Hi 89
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[09:19:20] <jthornton> same here
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[09:34:21] <jthornton> dang I'm stumped why I get a following error on one config but not another that is the same
[09:36:26] <Tom_L> did you do a file compare on them?
[09:37:14] <jthornton> no
[09:37:40] <jthornton> with all this rain we have been getting I might have to mow the grass for the third time this year
[09:38:13] <Tom_L> kid mowed yesterday and i edged when i got home
[09:38:34] <Tom_L> been a rather wet August
[09:40:47] <jthornton> yea and I've been wanting to build up some low spots in the chicken yard but my dirt pile is too wet
[09:40:59] <Tom_L> mowing may help the varmint issues you have
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[09:41:29] <jthornton> hows that?
[09:41:41] <Tom_L> or does that just provide a clearing for them to attack?
[09:42:01] <Tom_L> i figured they like to hide in the tall grass
[09:42:29] <Tom_L> or does it not get that tall
[09:43:30] <jthornton> no tall grass, are you talking about the squirrels?
[09:44:44] <Tom_L> i was thinking coons etc
[09:45:17] <jthornton> ah the coons come out at night
[09:47:09] <Tom_L> i've seen more possums and armadillo here lately
[09:53:25] * jthornton gives up for now smelling bacon time for chow
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[10:10:52] <gloops> get it working diep ?
[10:11:57] <jthornton> yea he did
[10:13:32] <gloops> excellent
[10:13:59] <gloops> ill never go to Ikea again
[10:14:11] <Tom_L> why?
[10:14:26] <gloops> terrible
[10:14:37] <gloops> massive building, layout like a maze
[10:14:45] <gloops> mostly crap
[10:15:48] <Tom_L> i've heard they are big
[10:16:24] <gloops> well shopping isnt my thing anyway lol
[10:16:34] <Tom_L> not unless it's machine tools
[10:16:43] <gloops> yes
[10:17:05] <Tom_L> even then i know what i'm going for. this brousing crap is for the birds
[10:19:24] <gloops> wouldnt have been so bad if it was laid out in aisles, with like kitchen on one aisle, bedroom on another etc, so you could go to the place you wanted - you have to walk all round the maze to get to something
[10:19:28] <gloops> anyway bbl
[10:29:20] <jthornton> narrowed it down to something bonkers in the ini file
[10:40:29] <fragalot> gloops: theydo have shortcuts to everywhere...
[10:42:14] <pcw_home> I went to a local IKEA _once_, you are herded like cattle through the store, never again...
[10:44:07] <tiwake> pcw_home: never been herded before in such a store
[10:46:00] <pcw_home> My one experience was so bad I will never go back
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[11:33:54] <jesseg> pcw_home, who was herding you?
[11:39:10] <hazzy-lab> pcw_home: I have had the same experience. And they have this predefined (but unmarked) path that you have to follow, and if you dare to walk back to look at something they act as if you are breaking some law.
[11:40:16] <jesseg> you mean like the employees follow you around as you shop? lol that's hilarious!
[11:40:26] <jesseg> in a disgusting kind of way :P
[11:40:50] <jesseg> I haven't been to an ikea in over a decade I suppose
[11:41:12] <jesseg> sounds like they've changed tactics
[11:42:27] <hazzy-lab> jesseg: they don't really follow you around, herding is about right though
[11:43:14] <hazzy-lab> I can't stand being in any store where there is not a direct line of sight exit either, and they intentionally make it very hard to find how to get out
[11:43:38] <jesseg> I always thought they were a tad odd
[11:43:45] <hazzy-lab> I believe there it a horror type video game based off of being stuck in an ikea store, lol
[11:43:51] <jesseg> LOL
[11:44:46] <hazzy-lab> https://venturebeat.com
[11:44:47] <hazzy-lab> hehe
[11:44:59] <hazzy-lab> about right
[11:54:53] <gloops> what do you do if theres a fire? i had no idea where in the building i was at any time
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[12:05:13] <jthornton> figured out that using imperial units in the ini actually gives you mm so the jog rate was so high it had a following error...
[12:07:15] <pcw_home> Also the pid maxerror thing that pncconf does should either be dropped or scale appropriately for inch/metric systems
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[12:07:42] <pcw_home> s/scaled/scale/
[12:09:42] <jthornton> what is that?
[12:18:56] <jthornton> I need to fix my PID default values I think to account for units
[12:26:57] <sync> hazzy-lab pcw_home I never had that experience in an ikea
[12:27:30] <sync> I mean, yeah they are making you walk through the store but, the shortcuts are on the map
[12:27:40] <sync> so you can get through it quite fast
[12:28:39] <diep> thanks for asking gloops (16:04) - yes i can manual control the 3 axis now. can fix the machine now, tram it and then add the endstops. don't want to mill without adding endstops - if the electronics allow it :)
[12:29:11] <diep> Y-axis is 0.06mm error now which is good and the theoretic expected on a crabble note here
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[12:29:54] <diep> axis is 8+ kilo say 85N. If we have distributed load on 2 simple 16mm axis i would expect distributed load 70% of that roughly = 60N roughly
[12:30:24] <diep> deflection (mm) = P * L ^ 3 / ( I E Y )
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[12:30:40] <diep> 60N 518^3 / (210k 192 * Iyy)
[12:30:57] <diep> yy = pi * 16^4 / 64 = 3217
[12:31:06] <diep> deflection ( mm ) = 0.064mm
[12:31:15] <diep> and i measured 60microns
[12:31:22] <diep> seems ok - now the X-axis :)
[12:32:45] <jthornton> pcw_home: if you get a chance see if the number are ok for the joint for a 7i96 https://paste.ubuntu.com
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[12:39:23] <pcw_home> PID values will be the same for inch or metric
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[12:41:56] <pcw_home> max error should either be deleted or scaled for metric on metric configs
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[13:05:23] <Roguish> Tom_L: hey Tom, I purchased a stylus from cmms.com. stainless shaft, ruby sphere. free USPS shipping...... should have it early next week.
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[15:13:00] <FAalbers> Hello. Can you guys recommend me a good tutorial explaining the workflow of designing on Fusion360 and then cutting it in linuxcnc ?
[15:14:11] <FAalbers> there are so many videos where they show the design and then the mill cutting , but with explanation on how to.Just that it works.
[15:14:16] <FAalbers> Thanks
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[15:20:54] <miss0r> fragalot: I just finished the bulk of the filing, taking a cheap reciprocating saw, and machining some files to fit init :)
[15:22:15] <Rab> I've often thought about an electric reciprocating file, I don't know why it's not a common product.
[15:22:22] <Rab> Or maybe it is and I'm just oblivious.
[15:23:05] <Rab> I guess those tiny handheld belt sanders are more effective.
[15:23:10] <miss0r> you can get some
[15:23:33] <miss0r> but I don't often need one, and my neighboor just threw one out, because it couldn't go realy fast no more.. So perfect for filing :)
[15:24:18] <Rab> Hmm: https://www.reciprotools.com
[15:25:55] <diep> the odour coming from that 3040 is as if inside something is getting soldered with lead
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[15:26:40] <Rab> diep, could be the drivers or steppers are getting hot.
[15:26:53] <diep> yet the box is idle :)
[15:27:42] <pcw_home> Step motors typically get hottest when idle (unless they have automatic power down)
[15:27:44] <diep> time to break the seal and open that box and see what is inside :)
[15:28:26] <diep> X and Y motor: cold, Z motor like 25C
[15:28:42] <diep> turned on airco to get rid of the odour
[15:28:51] <miss0r> :D
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[15:29:03] <miss0r> I had a 3040 once. Pure chinesium.
[15:29:12] <Rab> That'll just disperse the carginogens throughout your family dwelling.
[15:29:15] <miss0r> the smell you are referring to is 'chinesium stank'
[15:29:33] <diep> i've got a room filled with machines all oiled
[15:29:38] <diep> and this ain't an oil odour
[15:30:19] <diep> if i add endstops, assuming the electronics will eat it that's inside the box
[15:30:32] <diep> does the linuxCNC work same way with endstops like 3d printers usually do?
[15:30:47] <XXCoder> in what way?
[15:30:56] <diep> as i see some chinese hack to add endstops, to save out a few wires where they inversed the logics it seems
[15:31:05] <diep> it gives a signal there when it gets pushed
[15:31:16] <XXCoder> linuxcnc you can build it in whatever.
[15:31:17] <diep> instead of not giving a signal when pushed
[15:31:31] <XXCoder> I suggest normally high, so wire breaks stops machine and not fail to stop
[15:31:38] <Rab> diep, that is not ideal.
[15:31:54] <diep> yes - i guess that the chinese inventive way of saving another handful of pennies blindfolded them again there
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[15:32:00] <diep> this machine has no endstops
[15:32:16] <miss0r> hmm.. what you need them for anyway?
[15:32:33] <diep> i need them because i know myself :)
[15:32:38] <XXCoder> miss0r: me for one wants homing stops so I have repeatable homing
[15:32:38] <miss0r> acme screws & steppers on there is not realy powerfull enough to pull it apart anyway
[15:32:50] <miss0r> XXCoder: Repeatable homing with microswitches? :D
[15:33:02] <XXCoder> far more repeatable than by hand
[15:33:04] <diep> that's another reason miss0r
[15:33:11] <miss0r> at best that is within a few 1/100s
[15:33:16] <XXCoder> also, who said im using microswitches lol
[15:33:36] <miss0r> XXCoder: Fair enough, that was unrightfully assumed
[15:33:40] <XXCoder> oh yeah diep dont use reprap design of smashing into switches. design it properly
[15:33:42] <diep> the ones i bought, just 12 cents a piece, they do surprising well there miss0r
[15:34:01] <diep> i have my own commercial 3d printer line of printers XXCoder - soon to hit the market i hope
[15:34:08] <miss0r> diep: Yeah, but when it comes to repeatability they are not 'that' acurate
[15:34:16] <XXCoder> cool can I have a sample machine? ;)
[15:34:20] <diep> but yeah i also started with a reprip
[15:34:35] <diep> have a website and making much noise around?
[15:34:43] <diep> like sexycyborg ;)
[15:34:44] <XXCoder> nah. drat lol
[15:34:55] <diep> though i doubt i ship one off to china for that purpose :)
[15:35:09] <diep> seems you need to do that if you're in the $400 range
[15:35:28] <diep> as then other sort of feelings make people decide to hit that "buy it now" button :)
[15:35:41] <miss0r> meh. I'll call it a night. See you around
[15:35:45] * miss0r is off
[15:35:48] <XXCoder> later
[15:36:06] <XXCoder> diep: fili printer using linuxcnc?
[15:36:23] <diep> printer is not using that of course
[15:36:34] <FAalbers> Anyone using Fusion 360 here ?
[15:37:31] <diep> freecad + turbocad here
[15:37:52] <diep> fusion360 is online design isn't it? Free for anyone to take a look at what you design - maybe good plan for open source hardware?
[15:38:01] <XXCoder> drat hoped for nice linuxcnc mods to make it work with printer
[15:38:14] <FAalbers> yes , free for hobbiests
[15:38:14] <XXCoder> I dont really like reprap firmwares. theyre all unsafe
[15:38:18] <diep> oh i know someone who is using linuxcnc just for that
[15:38:28] <diep> for his 3d printer
[15:39:51] <XXCoder> cool
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[15:41:44] <diep> linuxcnc moves motors much better than most firmware for 3d printers. yet getting it to work is the problem
[15:41:54] <CaptHindsight> diep: I use it for all of mine
[15:42:10] <CaptHindsight> FDM, SLA, SLS, etc
[15:42:44] <CaptHindsight> we even synthesize DNA with printers controlled by LCNC
[15:43:07] * fragalot just spent the entire afternoon mucking out his shed
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[15:43:24] <fragalot> got rid of like 2m³ worth of stuff, and you still can't tell >.<
[15:43:24] <CaptHindsight> also robots that amplify DNA, apply DNA etc
[15:43:40] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: yeah it all adds up
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[15:44:22] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: did you figure out how to shrink the machine by 10cm or narrow the walkway?
[15:44:34] <CaptHindsight> widen, not narrow
[15:44:36] <fragalot> narrowing the walkway is the easy part
[15:44:37] <fragalot> lol
[15:44:41] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:44:53] <CaptHindsight> was talking to Biologists so forgive me
[15:45:28] <fragalot> I did build a small ramp
[15:46:01] <fragalot> but all that does is get my hopes up that i'll get it to that point :P
[15:46:31] <CaptHindsight> what I have pictured in my head https://i.ytimg.com
[15:46:35] <diep> one reason to also use endstops is because i want the full milling range of the router
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[15:46:44] <diep> easy to make a mistake then
[15:46:51] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: hur :D
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[15:47:38] <diep> can take a few more risks with the 3040 that i wouldn't take for the other build i have
[15:48:52] <CaptHindsight> diep: is your 305\40 similar? https://postimg.cc
[15:48:59] <CaptHindsight> 3040
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[15:51:51] <diep> not at all CaptHindsight
[15:51:59] <diep> that seems a stronger build than this one
[15:52:16] <diep> it seems every few years they have more optimizations to do it cheaper those 3040s
[15:52:28] <XXCoder> mines just a little bit later version
[15:52:29] <diep> this one was 560 dollar on ebay, about 504 euro
[15:52:29] <fragalot> 'optimizations'
[15:52:42] <XXCoder> if I recall your machines sides was custonm correct?
[15:52:50] <XXCoder> more offset to back
[15:53:08] <diep> i bought this one: https://www.ebay.com
[15:53:43] <XXCoder> my machine https://www.youtube.com
[15:54:22] <XXCoder> yep they removed front cover for cheaper price diep
[15:54:45] <diep> and the end stops already for a few years
[15:54:47] <CaptHindsight> heh, they keep shaving off corners
[15:54:50] <diep> didn't realize that when i bought it
[15:54:56] <CaptHindsight> soon they will be made from paper
[15:55:00] <XXCoder> also, screws not ballscrews
[15:55:05] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: actually they stop shaving corners to save on labor
[15:55:11] <diep> paper is more expensive than recycling plastic :)
[15:55:26] <diep> the bridge weighs a whopping 8+ kilo
[15:56:06] <CaptHindsight> mystery metal/plastic frames , yeah thats probably next
[15:56:19] <XXCoder> already happened CaptHindsight
[15:56:21] <fragalot> die-cast frame :P
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[15:56:57] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com
[15:57:17] <XXCoder> oh wait thts all metal version. new to me
[15:57:20] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com with <5mm of lash
[15:57:35] <diep> the MP CNC type designs are coming now
[15:57:36] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: you can compensate for that in sofrware
[15:57:46] <XXCoder> some plasics. very cheap tho lol https://www.aliexpress.com
[15:57:51] <CaptHindsight> hobby motor spindle
[15:58:00] <diep> and for 3d printing in fact a pretty good design there considering the materials is the Ruzzian version 3d printer the Piper2
[15:58:12] <XXCoder> you can SEE table being not parallel to machine frame.
[15:58:26] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: if you keep the parts as models you save even more
[15:58:38] <diep> bridge here built good in factory - the frame however X axis at least a MM off
[15:58:44] <diep> gonna measure now how much i need to correct
[15:58:53] <diep> maybe doing endstops first
[15:58:58] <fragalot> my 'Sable 2015' cnc has a 1mm bow in the table
[15:59:04] <CaptHindsight> wow a 13 x 10 cm router
[15:59:22] <diep> how they manage to design that cheap is mystery to me
[15:59:27] <CaptHindsight> thats pre stressed
[15:59:29] <diep> the cnc milling machine i'm building
[15:59:30] <Rab> CaptHindsight, there are a few router frame kits made from PVC sheet. Buyer beware, on eBay it looks similar to aluminum plate.
[15:59:36] <diep> i sourced for at least 3000 euro worth of materials
[15:59:51] <diep> but will take many months to complete
[15:59:53] <fragalot> diep: probably helps if you're at the source of said materials
[16:00:05] <CaptHindsight> scrap yard
[16:00:09] <diep> yeah and also the knowledge they are gonna sell thousands
[16:00:17] <diep> as they know no one can beat 'em in price
[16:00:32] <CaptHindsight> and it cost too much to return
[16:00:40] <diep> i don't want to return it
[16:00:43] <diep> i'll fix it :)
[16:01:01] <diep> just the alu t-slot profile i can't buy that cheap
[16:01:08] <CaptHindsight> 5500mW, that like 5500000uW!
[16:01:34] <CaptHindsight> feel the power!
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[16:01:43] <diep> chinese will show up with their MP-CNC variants from "metal"
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[16:01:50] <diep> that are gonna be cheaper than the 3040s
[16:01:52] <fragalot> don't look into laser with remaining eye
[16:02:22] <CaptHindsight> Software GRBL control
[16:02:28] <CaptHindsight> serves them right
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[16:03:46] <CaptHindsight> https://hackaday.com
[16:03:50] <CaptHindsight> a pipe dream
[16:04:16] <fragalot> just when you thought they couldn't get any worse, lol
[16:04:20] <XXCoder> MPCNC machines is bit silly also
[16:04:32] <CaptHindsight> the same that brought you https://hackaday.com
[16:04:45] <CaptHindsight> the video is the back of his hand
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[16:05:12] <CaptHindsight> I want to see him reflow that :)
[16:05:23] <diep> don't underestimate the MP CNC
[16:05:28] <diep> for stiffness over say a meter
[16:05:33] <diep> you need big diameter
[16:05:40] <diep> know a cheap way of doing that ?
[16:05:56] <XXCoder> scrap sewer pipes ;)
[16:05:59] <diep> the ripreps use 8mm smoothrods - that's ok for 200mm but more forget it
[16:06:14] <diep> yeah so they use conduit pipes :)
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[16:07:53] <diep> someone will figure out a better way to run over them - the current 4 bearing 608zz solution for the MP CNC is a joke
[16:08:28] <XXCoder> 608zz is everywhere
[16:08:32] <XXCoder> even behind you
[16:08:49] <diep> even in my own 3d printer design it is :)
[16:09:13] <diep> they cost 8 dollar cent each buy in @ china
[16:09:22] <diep> in bit larger quantities
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[16:12:18] <CaptHindsight> 8 dollar cent each?
[16:12:33] <CaptHindsight> 8 cents or each?
[16:12:58] <XXCoder> or per 100?
[16:13:37] <XXCoder> or per all 608zz in china at that time?
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[16:15:25] <diep> let's not play language games - i'm not native English. dutch or Zherman however is easier there for 'perfektes' formulation
[16:16:04] <XXCoder> diep: actually you was being amgious. its not clear what you meant on pricing
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[16:16:21] <diep> price drops to 8 dollar cent a piece buy in
[16:16:36] <diep> 0.08 dollar
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[16:16:49] <XXCoder> ah was thinking 8 dollars and a cent
[16:17:02] <diep> whereas many interesting bearings are easily 1 or 2 dollar
[16:17:14] <diep> and no way to negotiate cheaper price
[16:17:29] <XXCoder> yeah market demends. 608zz so many stuff use that
[16:17:34] <XXCoder> well off later
[16:17:43] <diep> even if i would so to speak be very succesful man in life and sell thousands of printers - couple of thousands of bearings is peanuts to buy
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[16:18:13] <diep> not a good negotiation point if you just buy a couple of thousands of bearings
[16:18:35] <CaptHindsight> ok so 8 cents , thanks
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[16:19:37] <diep> i always am under impression with china there is 2 pricelists there. 1 for chinese 1 for foreigners
[16:20:47] <CaptHindsight> there is
[16:21:16] <CaptHindsight> Chinese price is always at least 10% less than to foreigners
[16:21:16] <diep> and alibaba is even more evil there - you get like 1 offer out of china and that's it. and the other offers 100% sure won't EVER be lower than that
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[16:21:37] <diep> with a price just too high to even take serious
[16:21:47] <CaptHindsight> oh don't bother getting quotes through Alibobo
[16:21:56] <diep> right - i stopped that alltogether
[16:22:00] <diep> already years ago
[16:22:01] <CaptHindsight> talk direct
[16:22:22] <diep> yes - directly 3x lower price for filament rolls for example :)
[16:22:39] <diep> however you underestimate chinese government
[16:22:44] <diep> if you talk today to alibaba
[16:22:56] <diep> then if you approach manufacturers the next day
[16:22:59] <diep> they won't answer
[16:23:06] <diep> try them a year later
[16:23:10] <diep> they directly answer
[16:23:31] <diep> so it is very trivial and 100% sure for me the government has a kind of 'time window' that alibaba then gets exclusive rights
[16:23:39] <diep> and they just cutoff the rest
[16:23:41] <diep> to you
[16:23:58] <diep> don't ask a single question on alibaba and you get suddenly very competative prices
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[16:24:14] <diep> ask 1 question and all other talks get kind of not through the chinese big firewall
[16:24:35] <diep> but i should fix a CNC machine here :)
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[16:37:34] <CaptHindsight> there are Chinese sites dedicated to hardware but........
[16:37:56] <CaptHindsight> you need to be able to read/write Mandarin
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[16:42:53] <diep> let's do some math here. over Z-axis reach of 20mm, the Z-axis is nearly 0.2mm not at 90 degrees to the bed
[16:43:18] <diep> in the Y-Z plane
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[16:45:48] <diep> it's cool linuxcnc works - if i had to measure it without the electronics working - lot of work to turn those steppers around :)
[16:46:10] <diep> on youtube the leadscrews are 5mm each turn - but here they are 2mm
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[17:39:04] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:54:12] <XXCoder> interesting https://www.youtube.com
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[23:38:07] <hazzy-lab> XXCoder: it's robin, of course it is interesting! :D
[23:38:37] <XXCoder> lol