#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-08-24

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[00:30:01] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
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[00:35:28] <Wolf__> {HD}: cool
[00:44:34] <veek> amazing!
[00:45:00] <veek> especially how the carriage setter moves those logs to make cuts
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[00:52:13] <fragalot> hi
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[00:56:24] <Wolf__> funny to think about the fact that my house was build with construction methods that predate that steam powered lumber mill lol
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[01:03:12] <CaptHindsight> https://upload.wikimedia.org what I just pictured :)
[01:03:26] <fragalot> xD
[01:03:30] <Wolf__> lol
[01:03:41] <fragalot> wasn't that a common building technique in the US during the settlement period?
[01:04:05] <CaptHindsight> and wood cabins
[01:04:05] <Wolf__> my house is timber framed, but it was all hand hewed
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[01:04:53] <CaptHindsight> the original settlers used wood and animal skins
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[01:06:22] <CaptHindsight> Jamestown used http://www.earthhomesnow.com
[01:08:38] <CaptHindsight> http://people.ucls.uchicago.edu
[01:08:56] <CaptHindsight> ^^ actual 16th century photo
[01:18:05] <Wolf__> I’ve been wondering, I see all these cnc plasma builds with hypertherm machine torches, yet not a single one uses the gear rack that it comes with for torch height adjustment, why is that?
[01:19:15] <CaptHindsight> what do they use instead?
[01:19:18] <CaptHindsight> never looked
[01:19:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: IF that's a 16th centruy photo, why does the side of the TeePee say "Made In China" ???
[01:19:43] <Wolf__> usually the torch is clamped to a gantry plate
[01:20:16] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: they bought it at a market in China before crossing over through Alaska, duh
[01:20:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ah, gotcha
[01:20:44] <Wolf__> CaptHindsight: https://i.ytimg.com like this
[01:22:28] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: back then the Ocean was lower or the Islands higher, forget which...
[01:22:55] <CaptHindsight> anyway, they would cross during the winters to get away from the crowded beaches
[01:23:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Damn tourists
[01:23:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: spring break and all that
[01:23:51] <CaptHindsight> they traveled all the way to the sothern tip of South America and then decided to go back north where the weather was better
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[01:24:54] <CaptHindsight> they survived by eating a diet of mostly large insects and beer
[01:25:47] <CaptHindsight> that is why most central American countries are full of insects
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[01:27:45] <CaptHindsight> they were also waiting for Columbus to arrive from Portugal
[01:28:22] <CaptHindsight> to prove that the trip is shorter by sailing over the Atlantic than walking from China
[01:29:29] <fragalot> it certainly is if you measure it in walking distance
[01:29:34] <fragalot> unless if you're a rigger on the boat
[01:30:55] <CaptHindsight> Magellan was the first to prove that you could sail around the world and not fall off, insuring that air travel would be possible
[01:31:12] <fragalot> how is that related to air travel?
[01:31:42] <CaptHindsight> ships stick to the water
[01:31:52] <CaptHindsight> airplanes don't stick to water
[01:32:46] <CaptHindsight> if they had tried to fly to the edge of the earth there would have been nothing to hold the planes, so they could fall off
[01:33:23] <Wolf__> well this is somewhat interesting, wonder how well it works https://www.makerstore.com.au
[01:35:46] <CaptHindsight> another option is rack and pinion with a drive and slave servo
[01:36:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.servotak.eu
[01:37:30] <Wolf__> looking to keep this at stupidly simple level of build
[01:38:35] <fragalot> Wolf__: that V-slot method is /THE/ simplest low backlash build, aside from ballscrew
[01:40:34] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[01:41:35] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[01:41:37] <fragalot> needs more cowbell
[01:41:45] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: have a pic of the machine before teardown?
[01:42:19] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[01:43:46] <Wolf__> nice… only seller that comes up on ebay is open builds for the 3gt belt @ almost $4 per foot
[01:44:01] <Wolf__> US seller *
[01:50:29] <Wolf__> not doing ball screw on a 1.5m travel machine
[01:51:23] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc
[01:51:43] <Wolf__> lol
[01:52:16] <Wolf__> that ball screw weighs probably 2x what this whole cnc plasma thing is going to when its done
[01:54:07] <fragalot> Wolf__: you could do what roland did on my engraver and use alu pulleys with steel wire wrapped around them to do the motino
[01:54:11] <fragalot> :P
[01:54:34] <Wolf__> yeah, capstan winch drive
[01:54:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automation-overstock.com
[01:55:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automation-overstock.com
[01:55:43] <CaptHindsight> $312 for a 32mm x 10mm lead 1.5m rolled ballscrew
[01:56:19] <Wolf__> on a 20mm x 80mm extruded frame machine? lol
[01:56:33] <Wolf__> err 40mm x 80mm (i think)
[01:57:06] <CaptHindsight> the screw will keep the frame stable
[01:57:19] <fragalot> Right, i'm off to work
[01:57:19] <fragalot> ttyl
[01:57:21] <Wolf__> hehe
[01:57:46] <fragalot> Wolf__: skip the frame, go with pure ballscrew
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[01:58:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automation-overstock.com
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[01:59:15] <Wolf__> I think I’ll just go with GT2 belt for the start, if the thing sucks ass at cutting circles then I’ll find a plan B
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[02:03:08] <Wolf__> thanks for that link I’ll keep that in mind
[02:03:47] <CaptHindsight> or go big https://www.ebay.com
[02:05:20] <Wolf__> that would be perfect if I was doing a 5’x10’ plasma table
[02:05:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[02:06:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[02:08:00] <Wolf__> neat stuff, but my openbuilds crap will be here in 2 days
[02:08:57] <Wolf__> at least if the plasma build totally fails, I can use it to build another 3d printer lol
[02:15:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amacoil.com
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[02:17:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.nexengroup.com
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[02:22:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:32] <Wolf__> yeah not a new idea for sure, seen a few open build things with similar drive
[02:34:22] <miss0r> I'm not sure I like that design
[02:36:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[02:38:01] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be
[02:41:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com chain drive cnc plasma table
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[02:42:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Chain drive on Mechmate
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[02:47:30] <fragalot> Right, i'm at work now, so i'm expecting a call from Shenker complaining nobody is home any time now
[02:54:28] <CaptHindsight> if you miss them today then they will return next day there is a heavy downpur
[02:54:40] <CaptHindsight> downpour
[02:56:31] <fragalot> tomorrow is saturday, so they won't return until monday
[02:57:16] <fragalot> and the downpour is supposed to happen overnight :)
[03:01:59] <CaptHindsight> any planned street cleaning, road paving, sewer work due next week?
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[03:03:08] <Deejay> moin
[03:04:12] <CaptHindsight> https://i.pinimg.com how do you drive on those streets anyway?
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[03:21:52] <miss0r> You just know what kind of day it is going to be... https://imgur.com
[03:27:23] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: I am 99% sure that when they deliver, the gravel road I need is going to be rototilled
[03:27:59] <miss0r> also, they already delievered it now. and rain is comming
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[04:04:51] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com Amsterdam tis a silly place
[04:26:33] <syyl_> ohmy
[04:26:41] <syyl_> looks almost like they commute by boat/ship ;)
[04:30:48] <fragalot> some do
[04:32:53] <fragalot> still no word from schenker.
[04:36:42] <veek> they should condense all that traffik into one giant oil tanker panamax
[04:39:14] <syyl_> everybody should go by pedal boat :D
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[05:14:42] <XXCoder> heys
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[05:47:29] <jthornton> morning
[05:47:43] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
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[05:48:05] <XXCoder> rememeber that worker? hes as okay as he can be with that ingury
[05:48:16] <XXCoder> he went to surgeons twice so far to sew stuff up
[05:50:24] <jthornton> good
[05:50:46] <XXCoder> cnc machine was locked out
[05:51:22] <XXCoder> when i started worked boss come in to machine, unlocked it powered it on, then removed tools and fixture, making sure he doesnt touch anything without wiping
[05:51:27] <XXCoder> then locked it off again
[06:00:17] <jthornton> what was he wiping?
[06:00:42] <XXCoder> tools and jaws
[06:00:56] <XXCoder> I guess they plan to move it to other robo
[06:01:10] <fragalot> removing evidence
[06:01:11] <fragalot> :P
[06:01:13] <XXCoder> we got 4 robos but 2 cant be used outside one specal part
[06:01:15] <XXCoder> shh
[06:07:27] <XXCoder> I wonder how long before they break down the special part 2 robos
[06:07:34] <XXCoder> its been a while since we last ran it
[06:27:57] <Tom_L> 76°F Hi 94
[06:28:42] <XXCoder> 58f 80
[06:28:52] <XXCoder> peaks at 68f
[06:31:43] <jthornton> heat not here yet high of 82f today
[06:32:29] <XXCoder> high humidity but no rain whole weekend it seems
[06:32:35] <XXCoder> I really hope it rains HARD
[06:32:43] <XXCoder> smokes still around but much less than last 2 days
[06:32:50] <XXCoder> I didnt wear a mask yayy
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[06:48:09] <jthornton> how I learned to love the bomb or install debian 9 a million times
[06:48:21] <jthornton> that's gotta suck to have to wear a mask all night
[06:48:44] <XXCoder> 11 hours
[06:49:04] <XXCoder> lots of fun. plus I couldnt cool my room by outside air so it was bit hot
[06:58:44] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[06:58:55] <jthornton> thats the program I've been working on
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[08:17:36] <ktchk> Can I use a step/dir spindle motor with 1 index signal to turn threads on a lathe?
[08:22:24] <jthornton> IIRC it's somewhat possible but not recommended
[08:24:16] <ktchk> The motor is 20Nm 3phase stepper
[08:42:22] * fragalot_ is fairly confident that Schenker has misplaced his new schaublin
[08:46:28] * jthornton quits putzing about on this program and wanders off to the shower
[08:49:49] <fragalot_> just got an email - they found it :-)
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[09:36:10] <JT-Shop> what did they find?
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[09:49:44] <fragalot_> JT-Shop: my schaublin 13 that I ordered
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[10:06:34] <JT-Shop> that's pretty big to get lost lol
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[10:25:07] <Loetmichel> *gnhihihi* just unpacked a 10 set of 350mm by 100mm by 60mm Alu heatsinks with a 12mm thick "backplate", rest fins... laid it on the CNC mill table: They have a "bow" in the middle 1mm high. All 10. So i thought: "no problem, i'll just lay something under the sides and jump on it with my 123kg... Effect: ZERO... had to mill them down 1mm deep to get the back flat :-(
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[10:49:49] <skunkworks> Tom_L: http://electronicsam.com
[10:53:06] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: it was really common to get heatsink extrusions with that much bow or more
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[10:53:32] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
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[10:54:13] <skunkworks> now to use the cmm (K&T) ;) to check for squareness
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[10:59:55] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: the matsuura still works.. Used it to make the 2 mating surfaces parallel
[11:13:48] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i know that ANY aluminium extrusion is usually bowed. and usually in ANY direction possible
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[11:29:03] <gregcnc> i'm shopping for a new car http://www.thedrive.com
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[12:04:29] <MarcelineVQ> What should I do with a bunch of garden grown tomatos? Something that isn't soup
[12:04:38] <SpeedEvil> pizza.
[12:05:04] <MarcelineVQ> heh :> I guess yeah, some sauce
[12:05:25] <Todd_Z> salsa
[12:06:13] <SpeedEvil> Feed them to pigs, get 1/10th of the caloric equivalent as pork.
[12:07:13] <MarcelineVQ> I do like pork, it's a little nicer to put the tomato on the ham than in the ham though
[12:08:10] <SpeedEvil> If you put the tomato on the pig, it will roll off, and it will eat it anyway.
[12:08:44] <MarcelineVQ> This explains the issues I've been having
[12:08:50] <fragalot> MarcelineVQ: salsa
[12:08:59] <fragalot> ketchup
[12:09:04] <fragalot> food fight
[12:12:47] <gregcnc> a proper sandwich https://imgur.com
[12:12:48] <jdh> caprese
[12:13:56] <MarcelineVQ> :D
[12:14:01] <pcw_home> spaghetti sauce
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[12:15:32] <MarcelineVQ> Everyone always wants to mash their tomatoes, I feel for the little guys
[12:15:49] <pcw_home> Is slicing better?
[12:16:19] <fragalot> pcw_home: in most kitchens with the state their knives are in it's the same thin
[12:16:22] <fragalot> g
[12:17:36] <MarcelineVQ> around here we let them roam, or put them on the treadmill, keeps them in shape, mostly round. when they've had a nice full life we find people we don't liek and throw the tomatos at them, it's a more dignified way to go out.
[12:17:44] <pcw_home> :-) I always have to sharpen knives to slice ripe tomatoes
[12:19:08] <fragalot> I just keep mine sharp enough to begin with
[12:19:26] <fragalot> a bit obsessively so, thinking about it
[12:19:29] <fragalot> :/
[12:19:32] <pcw_home> Its not tomatoes we have a overabundance now of but green beans, been eating them every day
[12:19:33] <gregcnc> everyone here likes to cut things on plates
[12:19:59] <roycroft> sharp knives are safe knives
[12:20:00] <MarcelineVQ> The deer ate all my green beans. Criminally, the deer isn't big enough to bother earting.
[12:20:14] <MarcelineVQ> gregcnc: :O
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[12:20:32] <pcw_home> we never grew scarlet runner beans before, and the are incredibly productive
[12:20:37] <gregcnc> my parents have a woodchuck this year devoruing brocolli
[12:21:10] <pcw_home> we have a 6 foot fence (for deer and our sheep)
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[12:21:26] <MarcelineVQ> Growing eggplant for the first time here this year, no idea if we like it but why not
[12:22:00] <MarcelineVQ> It's not like you can buy a veg at the grocer and know if you like it for not since half of them ship in green or treated for color
[12:22:06] <MarcelineVQ> *like it or not
[12:22:24] <pcw_home> Its not hot enough here for standard eggplant but the Japanese style do well and we like them
[12:22:34] <MarcelineVQ> what style is that?
[12:22:52] <pcw_home> long skinny type
[12:22:59] <pcw_home> purple
[12:23:05] <MarcelineVQ> oh okay, ours are fairly short and round
[12:23:07] <gregcnc> yeah i grew up eating garden fresh tomato. i have not ever had a store bought tomato I liked.
[12:23:32] <pcw_home> Yeah really no comparison
[12:23:32] <MarcelineVQ> better to eat canned tomato than grocer aisle
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[12:25:27] <pcw_home> "modern agriculture is the art of making water stand up" not sure if i got that quote right
[12:25:50] <fragalot> right enough
[12:26:04] <fragalot> modern agriculture actually doesn't even use soil anymore
[12:26:27] <fragalot> add nutrients to water, mist onto roots
[12:27:34] <pcw_home> well need to make breakfast -- big surprise: green beans
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[12:38:07] <jdh> I like them tossed in olive oil, salt, pepper, then roasted
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[12:59:51] <JT-Shop> bah the BP 308 coolant tank needs cleaning too
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[14:08:34] <Tom_L> skunkworks, lookin good
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[14:22:33] <skunkworks> Tom_L: so far so good
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[14:24:40] <skunkworks> I have to make fried green tomatoes atleast once a season
[14:27:45] <fragalot> miss0r: do you happen to know of a (publicly accessible) shop that sells reference squares?
[14:32:34] <fragalot> I guess I could make my own using 4 large ground pins to check it
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[14:40:52] <fragalot> cutwel sells nice granite ones but is UK only >.>
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[15:17:02] <skunkworks> I use a framing square
[15:17:13] <skunkworks> (only partially kidding..)
[15:17:23] <fragalot> perfectly acceptable if it's been calibrated
[15:17:54] <fragalot> i'm using a stainless DIN875/0 square at the moment
[15:18:26] <fragalot> about 300mm long, so.. 11µm over it's full length
[15:18:40] <fragalot> the granite one i've just found should be within 5µm
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[15:33:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.asiga.com
[15:34:25] <CaptHindsight> 1um Z positioning, made me chuckle
[15:37:18] <CaptHindsight> why would a jeweler need 25um res for molds?
[15:37:32] <XXCoder> its not just for jewels
[15:37:40] <XXCoder> theres ear molds and tootjh
[15:37:56] <CaptHindsight> I'm just talkin about jewels
[15:38:07] <CaptHindsight> not udder stuff
[15:38:21] <XXCoder> .00005" apparently
[15:38:42] <XXCoder> er .0004"
[15:39:06] <CaptHindsight> 25.4um = .001"
[15:39:34] <CaptHindsight> size 10 shoes are all over the place
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[15:45:08] <XXCoder> some computer junk seller in wisc want to have professional connection to me, in washington, and we never met
[15:45:09] <XXCoder> okkay no
[15:45:25] <XXCoder> some people on linkedin lol
[15:46:00] <CaptHindsight> it's become a business Facebook
[15:46:26] <XXCoder> yeah "friend hoarder" on fb and now "connectors hoarder" on linked in
[15:46:37] <CaptHindsight> M$ acquired them a few years ago
[15:46:41] <gregcnc> was there a time it wasn't? I never understood the concept
[15:46:57] <CaptHindsight> they are sure to remind you of your contacts birthdays as well
[15:46:59] <XXCoder> its site to set professional networking
[15:47:27] <CaptHindsight> Hi Mike, rember me I bough that shipment of coal from you 2 years ago, Happy Birthday!!
[15:47:36] <gregcnc> ok so you don't post pics of you binge drinking, but otherwise?
[15:47:50] <CaptHindsight> you don't?!
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[15:48:02] <gregcnc> I suppose if you're trying to get a job?
[15:48:09] <CaptHindsight> I limit my contacts to bartenders
[15:49:08] <CaptHindsight> https://theoutline.com
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[15:49:16] <CaptHindsight> found it amusing
[15:50:40] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: kinda like russia mob
[15:51:12] <XXCoder> all need to do is get intro to one person, can work up and to everyone
[15:53:01] <XXCoder> man that page you linked to.. LOL
[15:53:24] <gregcnc> that's my basic understanding of it
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[15:59:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.inc.com
[16:00:08] <CaptHindsight> from the founder of Linkedin, it really is a game
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[16:33:37] <skunkworks> pallet changing still works on the K&T
[16:42:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:53:36] <gregcnc> wtf? https://youtu.be
[16:53:51] <gregcnc> lathing level expert
[16:56:17] <skunkworks> I do that all the time..
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[16:56:48] <skunkworks> he could run it a bit faster cutting aluminum...
[16:56:50] <skunkworks> ;)
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[17:01:08] <jdh> That's a helluva tool holder
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[17:13:54] <methods_> tesla lulz
[17:13:57] <methods_> https://twitter.com
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[17:17:45] <CaptHindsight> I can't imagine working there, must be awful
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