#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-08-30

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[00:46:21] <fragalot> morning
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[02:47:26] <Deejay> moin
[02:47:34] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[03:32:37] <gloops> some idiot found my lathe and started bidding on it..
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[03:47:20] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[05:04:30] <fragalot> hey
[05:13:58] <syyl> Mr. schaublin!
[05:17:08] <MarcelineVQ> yeah hey, did the delivery happen?
[05:17:43] <fragalot> it did
[05:17:49] <fragalot> obviously damaged
[05:18:07] <MarcelineVQ> At least they're predictable :<
[05:18:08] <fragalot> but I've managed to repair most of it, just need some new parts
[05:18:51] <syyl> saw the pictures
[05:19:06] <syyl> was great packaged *eyeroll*
[05:19:22] <fragalot> need to turn a new hardened bushing for the Z handwheel, 3 new crank handles (M10), new belt for feed, and a new cable sleeve for the feed override
[05:19:28] <fragalot> yeah.........
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[05:20:17] <syyl> looks almost like it broke trough the pallet and they tried to lift it up again with a forklift
[05:20:34] <fragalot> I believe that that is exactly what happened
[05:20:46] * syyl asked his crystal sphere
[05:21:13] <fragalot> so now I need to find a service tech that is willing to inspect and quote the schaublin for repairs if I want to claim warranty on shipment
[05:21:33] <fragalot> not sure if it's worth the hassle now that i've fixed most of it myself..
[05:22:24] <MarcelineVQ> had time to check all the gearing?
[05:22:57] <fragalot> not every gear, but the random one I slected for power feed worked a treat... with a sock as the belt.
[05:23:21] <fragalot> the spindle drive gear looks mint
[05:23:29] <syyl> thats good
[05:23:35] <fragalot> and the spindle belts look like they were replaced at some point
[05:24:13] <fragalot> all in all i'm content. wish they hadn't crashed it, but still content.
[05:24:24] <syyl> it will be a fine mill :)
[05:24:27] <fragalot> table has a few more marks than I would like though.
[05:24:33] <syyl> this old tony approved
[05:24:36] <fragalot> hehe yeah
[05:24:41] <syyl> this old fragalot
[05:24:44] <fragalot> I had the exact same issues he's had too
[05:24:50] <fragalot> rapids didn't work
[05:24:51] <syyl> the rapid?
[05:24:53] <syyl> ah :D
[05:25:01] <fragalot> low and behold, someone ripped the cable :D
[05:25:49] <fragalot> so far the only rust i've found is also on the back of the horizontal supports, but it cleaned off really well
[05:26:04] <syyl> :)
[05:26:19] <syyl> and now for the hunt on schaublin accessories?
[05:26:45] <fragalot> it came with a load
[05:26:58] <syyl> do you have other heads for it?
[05:27:04] <fragalot> so what I need/want still is the slotting head, and horizontal support
[05:27:06] <fragalot> yes
[05:27:15] <fragalot> a high speed head with quill
[05:27:25] <fragalot> and the indexing setup
[05:27:31] <syyl> yesss!
[05:27:38] <syyl> the hs head is a nice one
[05:27:43] <fragalot> :)
[05:27:48] <syyl> congrats
[05:28:00] <fragalot> shame that the indexer didn't come with the gears to lock it to X travel
[05:28:06] <fragalot> but hey, still a good find "D
[05:28:20] <fragalot> thx, i'm happy
[05:28:37] <fragalot> and really lucky it wasn't 1cm wider or it wouldn't have fit xD
[05:45:15] <jthornton> morning
[05:46:08] <fragalot> Mornin' jthornton
[05:46:32] <jthornton> how's the mill coming along?
[05:46:39] <XXCoder> yo
[05:47:15] <SpeedEvil> I am making a new wooden structure. While I would like to put strain guages all over it to verify I've done the sums right, this is prohibitively expensive. Are there such things akin to 'shock guages' where you glue them on and they break if they extend or contract >1% ?
[05:54:00] <fragalot> jthornton: cleaning up still. need to contact a local machine dealer to see if they are willing to inspect the damages done in shipping, but debating if it is worth wasting their time.
[05:54:25] <fragalot> since i've already fixed most of it myself,... but I may have missed something that will bite me later.
[05:54:36] <jthornton> does the shipper cover the damages?
[05:54:53] <XXCoder> man the cat serial killer in wa havent been caught
[05:54:56] <fragalot> jthornton: if I can produce an invoice for said damages, it is insured.
[05:54:57] <XXCoder> 12th cat killed
[05:55:20] <jthornton> ah I see
[05:55:44] <fragalot> and the invoice would mean that first I need to pay it out of pocket
[05:55:49] <fragalot> which I can't
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[05:55:59] <jthornton> catch 22 then
[05:56:03] <fragalot> yup
[05:56:22] <fragalot> like I said, I did get it back to a state where it is perfectly servicable, just need some minor parts still
[05:56:48] <fragalot> so I'm thinking of just sending the invoice for the new handles and cable shields I ordered
[05:56:50] <jthornton> I tipped over my Samson lathe when I brought it home and just stood it up and started fixing the broken handwheels
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[05:58:41] <fragalot> looking forward to going home to continue on it :)
[05:59:04] <XXCoder> lol im ALMOST at 111 pto hours
[05:59:11] <XXCoder> 110.98
[05:59:21] <jthornton> pto?
[05:59:28] <jthornton> paid time off?
[05:59:30] <fragalot> power take off
[05:59:34] <fragalot> guessing tractor
[05:59:48] <XXCoder> jt yeah basically. for sick or vacation so on
[05:59:53] <fragalot> oh
[06:00:03] <jthornton> I don't think XXCoder has a tractor
[06:00:19] <fragalot> his loss :)
[06:00:21] <XXCoder> not even remotely. lol
[06:00:31] <XXCoder> eh yard is way too small for one
[06:00:40] <fragalot> small tractor
[06:00:46] <fragalot> with pedals
[06:00:52] <fragalot> and hand levers for the tiny bucket
[06:01:22] <XXCoder> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com this model?
[06:01:44] <fragalot> that is a tricycle
[06:02:30] <XXCoder> lol
[06:03:28] <jthornton> https://www.outbacktoystore.com
[06:03:49] <XXCoder> ohh fancy lol
[06:04:59] <jthornton> https://www.outbacktoystore.com
[06:05:02] <jthornton> 12v
[06:06:05] <XXCoder> lol
[06:08:19] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com
[06:08:25] <SpeedEvil> Alas these toys are too expensive
[06:09:22] <XXCoder> speed, I remember reading about one guy who needed to evucate new area under house to make new basement
[06:09:42] <XXCoder> he was bored and it wasnt a rush job, so he used rc tpys to evacuate like its huge machines
[06:09:48] <SpeedEvil> I can't find that again on youtube
[06:10:45] <Tom_L> morning
[06:11:11] <TurBoss> tricicle choof on yt
[06:11:12] <TurBoss> :P
[06:11:13] <TurBoss> morning
[06:11:18] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com ?
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[06:13:10] <SpeedEvil> yes, that looks like it. :)
[06:13:25] <SpeedEvil> Of course, add CNC, ...
[06:15:00] <XXCoder> you can tell its been many trips
[06:16:06] <Tom_L> SpeedEvil, https://uk.rs-online.com
[06:17:39] <SpeedEvil> Tom_L: yeah - no. https://www.shockwatchuk.com - I mean - but for elongation/compression
[06:18:18] <Tom_L> i knew what you meant but couldn't find the right search words
[06:18:19] <SpeedEvil> 'prohibitively expensive' = I can't use 50 of them.
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[07:58:39] <fragalot> miss0r: just had a quick look at your biax during my lunch break: the little rubber wedge looks home-made, and I broke one of the brushes when I had a look at how worn they were (about halfway) - i've got a set of spares at home to replace them.
[07:58:41] <fragalot> I
[07:59:09] <fragalot> miss0r: I'll make a crate for it & get looking at what shipping service to use to get it to you :)
[08:15:00] <miss0r> fragalot: Sounds great. What rubber wedge are we talking about? Is that something I can order from somewhere? (if I even should?)
[08:15:37] <fragalot> it's a little rubber wedge to allow the scraper blade to flex
[08:16:05] <fragalot> i'm sure that either their homemade strip will work, or at most may need sanding down to a wedge shape
[08:16:22] <miss0r> alright. :] good to know
[08:16:51] <miss0r> I hope you will make a prettier crate than I did :D
[08:17:01] <fragalot> more screws
[08:17:05] <fragalot> with a square drive
[08:17:14] <fragalot> or rounded torx :D
[08:17:16] <miss0r> AND you will take your time to drill out the torx
[08:17:18] <miss0r> haha yeah
[08:17:33] <fragalot> I may try a technique I haven't used in a while
[08:17:52] <fragalot> it's an old carpenters trick to make the screws or nails nearly 100% invisible
[08:17:57] <fragalot> :D
[08:18:00] <miss0r> please dont. :D
[08:18:17] <fragalot> :)
[08:18:33] <miss0r> Okay... I know I 'somewhat' started this trend, but who says you can't be the bigger man, and just make a regular crate? :D
[08:18:41] <miss0r> ... Who am I kidding
[08:20:41] <miss0r> So; I suppose you've canceled your weekend plans to mess around with that new mill of yours? (some video of it in action would be nice)
[08:21:09] <fragalot> kinda :D
[08:21:18] <robotustra> could somebody remind me a link to new GUI for linuxcnc?
[08:21:26] <robotustra> drawn in blender?
[08:21:34] <fragalot> still need to finish some work on someone's laser cutter first, and saturday is going to be spent @ town hall I think
[08:22:13] <miss0r> yeah..
[08:22:44] <miss0r> so; sunday will be your day off?
[08:23:14] <fragalot> Pretty much.
[08:25:08] <TurBoss> robotustra: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[08:25:52] <robotustra> TurBoss, thanks
[08:26:03] <robotustra> trying to make my own GIU
[08:26:36] <robotustra> thinking about good layout
[08:27:01] <TurBoss> https://forum.linuxcnc.org check this
[08:27:28] <Tom_L> robotustra, you seen this one? https://matrix.org
[08:28:20] <robotustra> Tom_L, no, but it's too fancy and futuristic. I would not work with this one
[08:28:21] <Tom_L> will this be the year for 100 new GUI's
[08:28:42] <robotustra> I like flat interface with clear graphics
[08:28:55] <robotustra> it's ok
[08:29:08] <robotustra> I think it should be happen earlier
[08:30:06] <robotustra> there are 2 types of GUI drawers: 1) programmers 2) machinists
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[08:30:55] <robotustra> and I think that programmers who uses cnc machine rarely can use ANY interface
[08:31:50] <robotustra> but when we come to the efficiency I would say that machinists should know BETTER which GUI is the best
[08:32:21] <robotustra> just because they are better UX in their field
[08:33:07] <TurBoss> https://gitlab.com
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[08:33:59] <TurBoss> work in progress
[08:34:18] <robotustra> I'm writing gui in qt
[08:34:25] <robotustra> c++
[08:34:36] <TurBoss> oh great
[08:35:02] <robotustra> because I don't know python :)
[08:35:18] <TurBoss> but you now c++ :P
[08:35:21] <robotustra> and don't want to touch it even with 10 feet rod
[08:36:11] <TurBoss> I was playing with QML
[08:36:15] <TurBoss> very powerfull
[08:36:20] <TurBoss> does magick
[08:36:49] <robotustra> https://imagebin.ca
[08:36:56] <robotustra> a couple of buttons
[08:37:17] <robotustra> all buttons are described in a text
[08:37:35] <robotustra> layout is parsed from text file
[08:37:58] * TurBoss uploaded a video: Peek 21-08-2018 08-33.webm (1387KB) < https://matrix.org >
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[08:39:42] <TurBoss> with QtPyVCP we are developing custom QtDesigner plugins that can be drag and drop in the main window to design the UI within the QtDesigner
[08:40:27] * TurBoss uploaded a video: Peek 30-08-2018 06-20.webm (293KB) < https://matrix.org >
[08:40:32] <robotustra> I'm not competing to anyone, I just want to have gui I lke
[08:40:42] <TurBoss> sure
[08:41:18] <robotustra> as for me I would like to edit txt file with gui
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[08:41:31] <robotustra> not drug and drop
[08:41:38] <TurBoss> :)
[08:41:55] <robotustra> because you can't make a complex behaviour of the button with drug and drop
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[08:42:13] <robotustra> you'll need extra dialogs to do a setup for button
[08:42:34] <gloops> the graphics are too bold nd gawdy for my liking
[08:42:41] <gloops> i like the original interface
[08:44:18] <robotustra> so I come back to buttons drawing, after place them on it's place
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[08:46:55] <jthornton> enough coding it's off to the shower for me
[08:49:27] <robotustra> Tom_L, many GUI is useful for discussion, and may be it will converge to some good solution finally
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[08:58:15] <robotustra> a qurstion, what is the right scripture on the button "+Z" or "Z+"
[09:06:24] <miss0r|office> Z+
[09:09:21] <robotustra> could you explain why?
[09:09:38] <robotustra> on old hardware cncn interfaces I saw +Z
[09:10:39] <robotustra> fanuc for instance
[09:12:24] <fragalot> Because Fanuc is wrong. :)
[09:13:03] <robotustra> really? do you write negative numbers like "-1234" or like "1234-"?
[09:14:13] <robotustra> as for me "1234+" has different meaning with comparison to "+1234"
[09:14:14] <fragalot> no, but I do like to say 'move up''instead of 'up move'
[09:14:52] <robotustra> you are attaching ourself to the language but not to semantics
[09:15:01] <fragalot> and in terms of jogging, it is Z + .001mm, or whatever your jog distance is set to
[09:15:10] <TurBoss> +Z imo
[09:16:10] <fragalot> Eh depends on what you're used to I guess :)
[09:16:57] <robotustra> using it to write on a buttons on a GUI for lcnc of cause
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[09:29:47] <miss0r|office> heh... on my maho it is +Z
[09:29:54] <miss0r|office> I would have thought it was the other way around
[09:31:06] <gregcnc> I think ± in front of the letter is clearer on the panel
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[09:34:07] <fragalot> The Maho has spoken!
[09:34:37] <fragalot> on my schaublin it doesn't even say Z, let alone + or -
[09:34:46] <gregcnc> , some lathes only use arrows, others don't have these buttons at all and have handwheels
[09:35:33] <fragalot> There are even lathes that don't have handwheels
[09:35:49] <gregcnc> mind control?
[09:36:02] <fragalot> wood lathes
[09:36:11] <fragalot> just use a chisel on the tool rest
[09:36:22] <gregcnc> i assumed we were talking cnc interfaces
[09:36:41] <gregcnc> my mistake
[09:36:43] <fragalot> touch screen :P
[09:36:51] <miss0r|office> :D
[09:37:20] <fragalot> miss0r|office: just get a touch panel for your conversion
[09:37:28] <miss0r|office> I have one...
[09:37:32] <fragalot> you can use the on-screen keyboard to write the gcode,.. or a drop-down
[09:37:35] <miss0r|office> But not having a keyboard.. I dunno
[09:37:49] <miss0r|office> That would be almost as slow as on the maho.. I'm in
[09:37:53] <fragalot> :D
[09:38:13] <fragalot> dropdown with only a 'next' button to go through the list
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[09:55:19] <miss0r|office> fragalot: You'd enjoy programming that for me, knowing how much I would hate it
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[09:57:37] <fragalot> miss0r|office: https://imgur.com
[09:57:51] <miss0r|office> haha
[09:58:23] <fragalot> I'd use slider bars for the movements because it's intuitive.
[09:59:26] <miss0r|office> Yeah, nothing gives precise motion like slider bars on a touchscreen :D
[09:59:50] <miss0r|office> remember, no stylus allowed
[10:00:21] <fragalot> not too long either because we don't want to waste screen space
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[10:03:26] <HexaCube> sup folks o/
[10:03:41] <miss0r|office> indeed. It will also be the only way to jog the axis around, for homing/indicating operations :D
[10:03:54] * miss0r|office stocks up on the exchangeable top on his haimer
[10:04:21] <HexaCube> hmmmpf, some updates from yesterday... Moved to the other mill at work. got down to +-0.05mm
[10:04:31] <HexaCube> I honestily still am not happy with that though
[10:04:40] <Loetmichel> hmm, anyone an idea how to make a (transparent) housing for the front part Mill that opens flat and folds away? the back 150mm have already a housing made of 18mm marine plywood. -> http://www.cyrom.org
[10:04:44] <HexaCube> I have one thing to try, still, though
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[10:08:34] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Still racing towards zero? ;)
[10:08:56] <HexaCube> yup :P
[10:09:08] <HexaCube> I think I was milling in the wrong axis, anyways.
[10:09:10] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Something like a US garage door maybe?
[10:09:16] <HexaCube> it's two passes
[10:09:24] <HexaCube> and the two passes are a bit different every time
[10:09:31] <HexaCube> different to each other, i mean
[10:09:41] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: those segemted doors?
[10:09:48] <Loetmichel> that roll up?
[10:09:51] <Loetmichel> could work...
[10:10:00] <HexaCube> because I have a fairly small surface that needs to be parallel, I think I'll mill it from the other axis, so it's just one pass for the surface instead of 2
[10:10:00] <FinboySlick> Roll or slide into the top or bottom.
[10:10:56] <fragalot> HexaCube: is the mill 'trammed'?
[10:11:14] <HexaCube> fragalot: no idea to be honest. I'd... think so?
[10:11:31] <HexaCube> it's at work, I hope they did that? :D
[10:11:34] <fragalot> if you can see a difference when making 2 passes, it likely isn't
[10:12:00] <fragalot> if it is done right the surface should have a pattern like )()()()( instead of ))))))
[10:12:08] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: It's relatively easy to check and worth checking every time you need something precise.
[10:12:22] <HexaCube> FinboySlick: how do I check it?
[10:12:33] <HexaCube> What I tried today was using a dial indicator to see the height difference
[10:12:49] <fragalot> Loetmichel: you mean other than a dowel on the bottom of the plexi panel and a slot for it to slide under the mill?
[10:12:50] <FinboySlick> You put an indicator in the spindle, then you sweep an arc over the table. A full circle should have the same measurement all the way around.
[10:13:14] <FinboySlick> Extra hint: Don't turn on the spindle when you're doing it.
[10:13:17] <HexaCube> FinboySlick: I think we don't have a spindle mount for a dial around
[10:13:18] <HexaCube> LOL
[10:13:34] <fragalot> HexaCube: so plop the magnet on
[10:13:54] <HexaCube> that works? D:
[10:13:58] <HexaCube> never considered that, hrmmm
[10:14:05] <Loetmichel> fragalot: i mean something that can slide "up and out of the way" when loading the mill or changing a mill bit... and the sides have to be removeable, too for "loading thru"
[10:14:11] <Loetmichel> of long parts
[10:14:12] <fragalot> all you care about is that it is a rigid connection to the spindle
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[10:14:30] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Do you have a dial test indicator? Those usually have a stem you could just pop in a collet.
[10:14:43] <fragalot> Loetmichel: upside down window blinds :P
[10:15:01] <fragalot> FinboySlick: that does not give you much range to sweep with
[10:15:17] <fragalot> if he has a mag base that can hold on to the spindle that works fine
[10:15:27] <HexaCube> we do have mag bases, yeah
[10:15:33] <FinboySlick> fragalot: Yeah, but it's better than nothing. You can do a 4" circle.
[10:16:00] <HexaCube> the indicator looks more or less like this one: https://www.picclickimg.comßwerkzeug-Ebenheitsmessung-Rundlaufmessung.jpg
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[10:19:15] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: You're learning a pretty good lesson though. Never assume that something is the right dimension or at the right angle. Always check.
[10:19:34] <HexaCube> this is how I milled it today - https://i.imgur.com
[10:20:01] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: This is a manual mill, right?
[10:20:04] <HexaCube> you can see the 4 mounting holes on each side of the pass
[10:20:23] <HexaCube> these holes should be as parallel as possible I believe, and as close to each other in height
[10:20:31] <HexaCube> that's where the carts for my Z-axis are gonna be mounted
[10:20:48] <fragalot> how are you holding it in the mill
[10:20:57] <HexaCube> FinboySlick: today I used a CNC mill because the vice wasn't tilted like the one on the manual mill
[10:21:14] <fragalot> because 0.05mm is easy to bend it when you hold it wrong
[10:21:20] <HexaCube> fragalot: using parallels and the plate ontop, with the two long sides being clamped against
[10:21:40] <HexaCube> how are they called, the parts on the vice that touch the part?
[10:21:42] <HexaCube> chuck..?
[10:21:46] <fragalot> vice jaws
[10:21:49] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: You're clamping against your target dimension. Probably not a good idea.
[10:21:54] <HexaCube> jaws, that's it
[10:22:18] <HexaCube> it's one of those hydraulic jaws, I can set it between 1 and 4 tons
[10:22:43] <fragalot> let me rephrase
[10:22:59] <fragalot> with 1 to 4 tons of clamping pressure, it is VERY easy to make your part flex 0.05mm :)
[10:23:30] <HexaCube> hmmm, I see
[10:23:36] <HexaCube> the part is 10mm thick, btw
[10:24:01] <HexaCube> well, now it's 5mm in the middle :P
[10:24:04] <FinboySlick> If the back is reasonably flat. I'd hold it down flat on the table with toe clamps.
[10:25:24] <HexaCube> hmm, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do that. I'm off work tomorrow though, next week my instructor will be back so I can discuss with him, perhaps
[10:25:46] <HexaCube> but it's surprisingly difficult to get something really flat :D
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[10:26:48] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Well, just flat enough that whatever micro-bend you cause when you're clamping it isn't measurably altering your slot width.
[10:27:22] <HexaCube> the slot width isn't that important but I'm thinking I wanna get the two mounting surface for the rail(carts) as close to each other as possible
[10:27:32] <HexaCube> maybe it's not as important as I think it is, though
[10:27:41] <HexaCube> I'm not sure how hard it is to tram rails afterwards
[10:28:29] <HexaCube> here, that's what I mean https://i.imgur.com
[10:28:30] <FinboySlick> You put an indicator on the cart and you run it along a straight edge.
[10:29:05] <HexaCube> the rails will mount on the spindle-side
[10:29:30] <HexaCube> the carts are mounted to the x-carriage
[10:29:59] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Hmm. You only have one cart on each rail? I'd expect two.
[10:30:21] <HexaCube> it's a really small axis
[10:30:25] <HexaCube> one sec I'll show you the full assembly
[10:30:44] <HexaCube> https://i.imgur.com
[10:30:50] <HexaCube> I'm not sure if 4 carts are really necessary
[10:31:01] <HexaCube> also, wouldn't 3 be preferred?
[10:31:05] <HexaCube> something about overcontraining?
[10:31:52] <FinboySlick> They aren't that rigid in that direction, your spindle will deflect when you move in the Y axis.
[10:32:50] <HexaCube> I'm mainly planning to do PCB milling with this router, loads are pretty small overall
[10:33:22] <FinboySlick> Yeah, it'll work. And it's your first build so it'll be great to figure out where you'd modify the design later on.
[10:33:43] <FinboySlick> Don't underestimate just how good rigidity is for a machine though.
[10:33:52] <HexaCube> yes, I mean, I believe you.
[10:33:59] <HexaCube> The thing is, I'm trying to keep the cost down.
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[10:34:17] <fragalot> don't underestimate the forces needed to drill FR4 too.
[10:34:20] <HexaCube> Cost has always prevented me from making a router so far, this time I'm trying hard to do as much as needed
[10:35:11] <HexaCube> right, drilling shouldn't deflect the spindle in X/Y though, so that's not too horrible. The only thing I'm a little worried about is cutting the board outline, but it doesn't matter if the outline is a little off
[10:35:42] <HexaCube> it's just tradeoffs upon tradeoffs, but *any* working router is better than none at all, too :D
[10:36:23] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: It will since your spindle isn't directly in like with your axis. But don't let that stop you. Your design will work, we're just pointing out things you'll want to improve on the next one.
[10:36:45] <HexaCube> ohhh, you're right, I totally overlooked that! it's a very fair point then, I will think about it
[10:37:46] <HexaCube> I think I'll try building the machine axis by axis
[10:37:58] <HexaCube> that way I can make a bit of progress without going broke
[10:38:21] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Well, remember that the scrap bin is your friend.
[10:38:27] <HexaCube> here's the full machine so far, still WIP of course https://i.imgur.com
[10:38:36] <HexaCube> but I admit, it's a weird looking design, I'm aware of that :P
[10:38:48] <HexaCube> FinboySlick: not if I have to pay for the stuff ;_;
[10:38:56] <HexaCube> luckily the stock at work is pretty much free, 4€ per kg of alu is fine
[10:39:19] <HexaCube> especially because I pay for the end result, not the full stock
[10:39:26] <HexaCube> the more holes, the better :D
[10:39:42] <robotustra> is there any "standard reference" set of images for cnc control buttons?
[10:40:26] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: If it's that cheap, replace your extrusions by solid plates ;)
[10:41:01] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Making those two vertical posts into triangles would really help.
[10:41:04] <HexaCube> FinboySlick: but that's a *lawt* of machining. I was trying to keep the machining to a minimum and only small parts.
[10:41:11] <HexaCube> FinboySlick: yes, I will be adding additional bracing though
[10:41:20] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Well, you can laser-cut those.
[10:41:28] <HexaCube> it's something that everyone recommends and I'm gonna do that,I just didn't design them yet :P
[10:41:30] <FinboySlick> or plasma or whatever you have at work.
[10:41:43] <HexaCube> yup, lazor
[10:41:45] <HexaCube> pew pew
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[11:30:06] <pink_vampire> hi
[11:31:01] <Simonious> o
[11:31:03] <Simonious> o/
[11:33:03] <pink_vampire> I have annoying issue with linuxcnc
[11:34:20] <Simonious> Yeah? Doubt I can help, I'm relatively novice with it myself. What are you trying to get it to do?
[11:40:51] <pink_vampire> i want to get a 1 logic signal if the velocity is greater than 0
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[11:50:19] <Simonious> pink_vampire: yup, don't know how, but doesn't sound like an unreasonable todo item. :/
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[11:52:27] <pink_vampire> for pvc foam it is better to go climb or conventional?
[11:52:47] <jdh> spindle velocity? axis velocity?
[11:52:59] <pink_vampire> 24K rpm
[11:53:18] <pink_vampire> jdh: axis velocity
[11:53:24] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: PVC foam? like that "forex" stuff?
[11:53:48] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: yeah
[11:54:05] <Loetmichel> hmm... i use 2mm mill bits made for alu with that
[11:54:17] <Loetmichel> you need something sharp and polished.
[11:54:29] <Loetmichel> or the swarf will stick
[11:54:29] <pink_vampire> me too but 3.175
[11:55:04] <pink_vampire> but to cut it climb or conventional ?
[11:55:16] <Loetmichel> wht means "climb"?
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[11:55:54] <jdh> motion.current-vel for each joint perhaps
[11:56:05] <Loetmichel> ah.... just google it
[11:56:05] <pink_vampire> https://www.practicalmachinist.com
[11:56:16] <Loetmichel> climb cutting on the edge you want to have clean
[11:56:39] <Loetmichel> the conventional side will have a burr
[11:56:55] <pink_vampire> but with foam it is not the opposite?
[11:57:16] <Loetmichel> that forex stuff is stiff
[11:57:24] <Loetmichel> its not like elastic foam
[11:57:34] <Loetmichel> it cuts much like a solid plastic
[11:57:50] <pink_vampire> the stuff i have is pvc foam
[11:58:20] <Loetmichel> yeah, but hard PVC, no softeners in it?
[11:58:48] <gregcnc> wouldn't a test cut be more effective?
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[11:58:50] <Loetmichel> so its not "spongy"
[11:59:01] <pink_vampire> you can leave a mark on it with your finger nail easy
[11:59:12] <Loetmichel> yeah, its the same stuff
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[11:59:25] <Loetmichel> it cuts much like massive PVC, not like soft foams
[11:59:46] <Simonious> NOT foam insulation..?
[11:59:47] <Loetmichel> if the mark dosent disappear over time
[11:59:48] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: i using it for yeas and all the time i forgot to right it down!
[12:00:21] <gregcnc> but a test cut would be complete in the time it took to ask the question?
[12:00:39] <pink_vampire> it is the same material that use here as trim board
[12:00:58] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: true lol
[12:01:28] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: be prepared to have your machine look like that though: http://www.cyrom.org
[12:01:55] <Loetmichel> or that: http://www.cyrom.org
[12:02:03] <pink_vampire> i had it much worse
[12:02:24] <Simonious> This is why you mount a vacuum to the head.
[12:02:48] <pink_vampire> 1/2" end mill in 1.5" plastic make you feel in a snow storm
[12:02:56] <Loetmichel> Simonious: vaccum is needed to holt the workpiece on the vaccum table ;)
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[12:03:10] <Simonious> Loetmichel: I screw my work down.. no vacuum on the table
[12:03:20] <TurBoss> you need a kirby
[12:03:21] <TurBoss> :P
[12:03:28] <Loetmichel> ... so it was not free to be used as a cleaner
[12:03:29] <gregcnc> surely there is more than one vacuum in germany?
[12:03:35] <Simonious> I use climb milling with foam insulation, it comes out a little rough.
[12:03:37] <Simonious> not terrible
[12:03:39] <TurBoss> the character
[12:03:40] <Loetmichel> only one in that shop ;)
[12:05:18] <Simonious> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[12:06:01] <pink_vampire> Simonious: on a mil???
[12:06:08] <Simonious> router table..
[12:06:24] <Simonious> on the mill I stand there like a goof with the hand held vacuum wand.
[12:06:49] <Loetmichel> Simonious: https://www.youtube.com
[12:07:19] <Loetmichel> have the same "foot" for the new mill in the company
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[12:07:39] <Loetmichel> dont use it that often though because of the vacuum table ;)
[12:08:02] <Simonious> no flexy on the vacuum? odd.
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[12:08:58] <Loetmichel> i destroyed half a dozen flex hoses so far with that machine
[12:09:27] <Loetmichel> it milled glass fibre boards and carbon fibre boards 90% of the time
[12:09:35] <Loetmichel> that dust is like a sand blaster
[12:09:44] <Simonious> alright then :)
[12:09:52] <Loetmichel> every corner of the flex hose gets holes in them after a few months ;)
[12:10:13] <Loetmichel> the 50mm PVC pipe has enough wall thickness to last ages ;)
[12:10:21] <Loetmichel> also you dont have to prop it up
[12:10:39] <Loetmichel> it only swivels at certain points and so it holds itself up
[12:10:41] <Simonious> never bind sup?
[12:10:44] <Simonious> *binds up?
[12:10:49] <Loetmichel> nope
[12:10:54] <Simonious> seems like a good solution
[12:10:55] <Loetmichel> not as long as i used it
[12:11:22] <Simonious> That setup eat router bits too?
[12:11:25] <Loetmichel> ... as long as you have enough ceiling height ;)
[12:11:32] <Loetmichel> yes
[12:11:39] <Loetmichel> anything you throw in
[12:11:49] <Loetmichel> up to 8mm shaft
[12:13:23] <pink_vampire> i need a 3d printer
[12:13:40] <Simonious> pink_vampire: you are way overdue, late to the party and out of excuses.
[12:14:02] <Simonious> I've used one for two prints already today.
[12:14:22] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[12:14:24] <Simonious> for some custom PCB mounts
[12:14:29] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: the cheapes ones are only about $120 these days... what hold you back?
[12:14:33] <Simonious> I mean, get one already! (or build one if that is your thing)
[12:14:48] <Simonious> I've built a few, but for the time and the money.. buying one is better these days.
[12:14:53] <Loetmichel> s/hold/is holding
[12:15:06] <pink_vampire> i did a 3d printer head for my cnc machine
[12:15:17] <Loetmichel> Simonious: i have a cheap Anet A8
[12:15:18] <Simonious> yeah, that can work
[12:15:21] <Loetmichel> works good so far...
[12:15:23] <Simonious> Loetmichel: like it?
[12:15:29] <Loetmichel> very much
[12:15:34] <pink_vampire> but i want somthing that can print true voxels
[12:15:46] <Simonious> Loetmichel: I have the 5th MendelMax and it's offspring and parts to build many more..
[12:16:01] <Loetmichel> bit of tinkering neccessary (especially securing the thermocouples) and its good to go
[12:16:13] <Simonious> Loetmichel: I'm printing on : https://www.amazon.com this morning
[12:16:13] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com
[12:16:19] <Simonious> nothing ot brag about, but it works well enough
[12:17:05] <Simonious> Loetmichel: that is a pretty good looking machine and looks like it nearly qualifies as a reprap
[12:17:37] <Loetmichel> fun stuff: it acts as a generator: https://www.youtube.com
[12:17:48] <Loetmichel> enough to boot the "ardunio" ;)
[12:18:09] <Simonious> Loetmichel: yeah, mine too, not the bibbo, but the ones I built
[12:19:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- build volume is ok, too
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[12:19:23] <Loetmichel> 220mm by 220mm by 230mm...
[12:20:13] <Loetmichel> and for 128 eur you can get it these days in germany...
[12:20:14] <Simonious> Loetmichel: if I design another printer it'll be a Z-bed, with coreXY motion
[12:20:21] <Loetmichel> they are pretty cheap these days
[12:20:46] <Simonious> Loetmichel: can't complain about that if it prints well
[12:20:48] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: how fast can your CNC mill travel?
[12:21:13] <Loetmichel> Simonious: it prints well NOW ;)
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[12:21:24] <Loetmichel> took a bit of tinkering and a new nozzle though
[12:21:29] <Simonious> Loetmichel: heh.. yeah.. what I really want is a MarkForged printer.
[12:21:43] <Simonious> Loetmichel: not very cheap to buy or operate though
[12:22:09] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: faster then the house allow
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[12:22:34] <Simonious> Loetmichel: I've got one of their prints here (it's a nut and bolt that work well with each other and real nuts and bolts). I think it's an M8 though.. well tuned printers can do that.
[12:22:34] <Loetmichel> one time when i have some spare money and a LOT of time at my hands i will attempt to make a laser sintering brass/stainless printer
[12:23:11] <Simonious> At this state I'm pretty much only interested in 3D printers that work out of the box or with minimal fussing.
[12:23:13] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i asked because if its less than 100mm/sec you will not be happy with it as a 3dprinter
[12:23:16] <HexaCube> Loetmichel: using what kinda laser, if I may ask?
[12:23:20] <Simonious> %s/state/stage/
[12:23:25] <HexaCube> don't you need high energy pulsed lasers for metals?
[12:23:45] <Loetmichel> HexaCube: i have a 100W IR laser diode arry somewhere.
[12:23:54] <HexaCube> that is sufficient? D:
[12:23:58] <HexaCube> interesting
[12:24:02] <Loetmichel> nope, you only need a very small focus ;)
[12:24:03] <HexaCube> I would have thought it would need much more
[12:24:37] <Loetmichel> its a question of power denstiy
[12:24:41] <Loetmichel> +t
[12:25:09] <Loetmichel> if you can get over the threshold that melts the metal dust particles it will work
[12:25:19] <Loetmichel> if not: nothing will happen
[12:25:21] <HexaCube> I'm aware but you can't focus it down infinitely I think?
[12:25:33] <Loetmichel> so if the laser is weak you need to concentrate it more
[12:25:42] <Loetmichel> you can focus it enough
[12:26:18] <Loetmichel> a friend had an 80W co2 tube on his laser cutter
[12:26:27] <Loetmichel> it was able to cut 0.2mm thick stainless
[12:26:38] <HexaCube> wait really?
[12:26:39] <HexaCube> damn
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[12:26:43] <HexaCube> that's surprising and really cool
[12:26:48] <Loetmichel> so it should be possible to do sintering wieth a 100W
[12:26:51] <HexaCube> I bet you could make solder stencils for it hehe
[12:26:54] <HexaCube> for it? with it i mean
[12:27:02] <HexaCube> (shame on you, Dr. Freud)
[12:27:03] <Loetmichel> it couldnt cut 0,3mm stainless though ;)
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[12:28:28] <jym> Loetmichel: 80W CO2 cutting SS.... that had to be EXTREMELY slow
[12:28:41] <Loetmichel> jym: yes
[12:28:54] <Loetmichel> about a mm/sec
[12:28:56] <Loetmichel> but it did it
[12:30:02] <jym> Loetmichel: I have some ss I can cut with plain scissors like like it was paper. My 30W CO2 just reflects off it soemthign fierce.
[12:30:16] <Loetmichel> so i have good hope that 100W could be enough to sinter 0.02mm metal "dust" together
[12:31:14] <Loetmichel> jym: as i said: we couldnt get the 80W tube to cut 0.3mm thick
[12:31:16] <Loetmichel> ss
[12:31:21] <jym> Loetmichel: Maybe, I know a 250W CO2 can, to some degree.
[12:31:25] <Loetmichel> not with any time in the world
[12:31:50] <Loetmichel> you just cant focus it fine enough
[12:32:04] <Loetmichel> it blackens 0.3mm and warps it but doesent cut
[12:32:12] <Loetmichel> 0.2mm is fine though
[12:32:15] <jym> Loetmichel: I have a 2.0 lens , suspect I'd need to have/use a 1.0 lens
[12:32:16] <Loetmichel> strange, isnt it?
[12:33:25] <jym> Loetmichel: Yeah, and a 50W YaG will cut/mark plantium no problem at all
[12:33:34] <Loetmichel> hmmm. thinking about it: maybe thats the reason why the 80w is cutting the stuff: it makes it hot enough to blacken with oxygen... try to put som soot on your SS
[12:33:44] <Loetmichel> maybe your 30W cuts it then?
[12:33:57] <methods_> milk of magnesia will work on reflective stuff
[12:34:08] <methods_> just wipe it on and let dry
[12:35:36] <methods_> lays down a nice thin non-reflective layer
[12:48:48] <pink_vampire> all the parts are done
[12:49:19] <gregcnc> no,no I still have parts to make
[12:49:25] <pink_vampire> and it is better to go conventional
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[12:55:41] <fragalot> hey
[12:57:25] <pink_vampire> hi fragalot
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[13:04:07] <fragalot> miss0r: miss0r|office: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[13:05:00] <methods_> oh nice score
[13:05:31] <fragalot> methods_: this is one i'm selling :) i've got another
[13:05:56] <methods_> oh nice
[13:06:30] <fragalot> https://photos.app.goo.gl <== this is mine
[13:07:10] <fragalot> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[13:07:51] <methods_> got some work to do on that one
[13:08:03] <methods_> that plate
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[13:08:33] <fragalot> you should have seen it before I started, I don't think it was ever checked but always just trusted, lol
[13:08:46] <fragalot> now it's a nice 40ppi plate I keep around
[13:08:51] <methods_> nice
[13:09:06] <methods_> scraping is a handy skill to have
[13:09:17] <fragalot> especially if you don't own a surface grinder xD
[13:09:42] <methods_> yeah
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[13:53:22] <CaptHindsight> who is making a scanner large enough for ~24" x 12" x 12", +/-0.01" res is plenty
[13:54:05] <CaptHindsight> ~60cm x 30cm x 30cm
[13:54:47] <CaptHindsight> 0.25mm res
[13:55:12] <methods_> 3d scanner?
[13:55:24] <CaptHindsight> yes, 3D
[13:55:42] <methods_> leica?
[13:55:51] <methods_> brown and sharpe, zeiss
[13:55:56] <methods_> the usual suspects i'd assume
[13:56:18] <methods_> budget?
[13:56:32] <fragalot> kinekt? :D
[13:57:34] <methods_> keyence
[13:58:38] <methods_> swing by imts next wknd
[13:58:47] <methods_> there will be tons of people in there with scanners
[13:59:07] <CaptHindsight> keyence is like mentioning Neiman Marcus / Needless Markup
[14:00:11] <methods_> yes they are quite spendy
[14:00:16] <methods_> but just throwin that one out there
[14:00:41] <CaptHindsight> yeah, trying to find something in the next hour
[14:00:55] <methods_> oh wow
[14:00:55] <fragalot> no pressure
[14:01:04] <fragalot> methods_: you snooze, you lose. :D
[14:01:34] <TurBoss> CaptHindsight: renishaw
[14:01:38] <methods_> http://www.metronor.com
[14:01:45] <TurBoss> :P
[14:01:47] <CaptHindsight> I don't really keep track after all the crap hobby scaneers flooded the market
[14:01:49] <methods_> i had them come in for a demo
[14:01:53] <methods_> that thing is pretty cool
[14:02:14] <HexaCube> geez, you guys don't screw around do you? D:
[14:02:15] <methods_> camera based cmmm
[14:02:20] <HexaCube> is everyone in here a professional?
[14:02:31] <methods_> http://www.metronor.com
[14:02:38] <fragalot> HexaCube: I'm not
[14:02:57] <methods_> that trackscan is really cool
[14:03:14] <methods_> and it was i think around $35-50k
[14:03:20] <methods_> not sure what your budget is for this though
[14:03:30] <CaptHindsight> it's open
[14:03:57] <methods_> all camera based so very flexible
[14:04:01] <methods_> and not super accurate
[14:04:11] <CaptHindsight> I can mount the parts in a 5- axis and spin the parts
[14:04:11] <methods_> should be perfect for the tolerances you were looking for
[14:04:32] <Rab> HexaCube, professional IRC chatter?
[14:05:22] <methods_> you making a decision in the next hour?
[14:05:46] <CaptHindsight> https://matterandform.net something like this only large and that works would be ideal
[14:06:05] <methods_> ah ok
[14:06:15] <methods_> not sure of anything in that realm
[14:06:16] <CaptHindsight> putting together some options
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[14:08:00] <methods_> https://www.shapegrabber.com
[14:08:42] <CaptHindsight> already there :)
[14:10:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.laserdesign.com
[14:10:09] <CaptHindsight> attaches to your CMM
[14:10:27] <jym> CaptHindsight: you are such a tease
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[14:12:40] <robotustra> drawed some buttons https://imagebin.ca
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[14:13:32] <CaptHindsight> ^^ only winders software
[14:14:14] <CaptHindsight> thats the usualblem with something off the shelf, just winders software and no specs for writing your own app
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[14:16:09] * robotustra take a 10 min break and continue :)
[14:17:37] <HexaCube> man, is there anything less fun than organising a cad file? -_-
[14:17:40] <HexaCube> I don't think there is
[14:18:30] <Tom_L> what's wrong with a cad file?
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[14:18:58] <HexaCube> the CAD file is fine, but organising it is boring :P
[14:19:20] <HexaCube> but I'm at a point where not naming components gets confusing
[14:19:42] <gregcnc> decide on a system of (dis)organization and stick with it
[14:19:56] <Tom_L> name them _, __, ___, ____ etc
[14:19:58] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Experience is when you start naming everything from the get go ;)
[14:20:05] <fragalot> ^
[14:20:08] <Tom_L> then complain about confusing
[14:20:17] <HexaCube> I knoow I should do it but i'm too lazeh
[14:20:34] <fragalot> every part should have a sensible name, or at least a part number with some strucutre if that's your thing
[14:20:45] <fragalot> and use sub assemblies where they make sense
[14:20:51] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Lazy never saves energy. It just makes you have to spend it all at once later.
[14:21:08] <robotustra> ranging and organizing it's not a problem of CAD, but the general one
[14:21:12] <HexaCube> https://i.imgur.com
[14:21:17] <HexaCube> ^ now it's looking better
[14:21:37] <HexaCube> I'm seperating it into different axes too so the software runs smoother...
[14:21:40] * HexaCube hits slow PC
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[14:21:53] <fragalot> HexaCube: https://imgur.com
[14:21:58] <FinboySlick> HexaCube: Being lazy is like taking a loan on your efforts, really ;) There's always interest.
[14:22:58] <robotustra> imgur is dead
[14:23:33] <Tom_L> naw they just blocked you
[14:23:43] <robotustra> who?
[14:24:02] <FinboySlick> *they*
[14:24:06] <miss0r> fragalot: I think that is enough screws :D hahaha
[14:24:08] <robotustra> I don't really care much about it
[14:24:14] <FinboySlick> The ones in 'They know who you are'.
[14:24:35] <miss0r> fragalot: What've you got in there to keep it from bouncing around?
[14:24:50] <robotustra> why there is no simple and clean flat interface for linux cnc yet?
[14:25:05] <Tom_L> because you haven't written it yet
[14:25:19] <fragalot> miss0r: foam on the edges, and stuffed to the brim with shredded cardboard
[14:25:26] <robotustra> Tom_L, fortunately I'd started
[14:25:35] <miss0r> fragalot: Nice :) A much prettier box than I made, for sure
[14:25:49] <fragalot> much prettier .. because it's veneered? :D
[14:26:11] <miss0r> fragalot: nah, mostly because it looks like you've sawn the pieces to fit together :D
[14:26:26] <fragalot> it was a bit big if I hadn't
[14:26:34] <miss0r> also, Might I recommend GLS?
[14:26:35] <miss0r> lol
[14:26:42] <fragalot> You may
[14:26:47] <miss0r> I mean: how the pieces fit together*
[14:27:01] <robotustra> Tom_L, https://imagebin.ca
[14:27:03] <FinboySlick> Remember when I kept saying "Can't wait to build the house so I have a real place to start using my mill." Well, much to everyone's surprise, I'm sure, it turns out that building a house is very hard work.
[14:27:20] <miss0r> They have a package shop very close to me. It would be convenient
[14:27:23] <FinboySlick> Especially when you are afraid of heights.
[14:27:33] <Tom_L> robotustra you got a long ways to go
[14:27:46] <robotustra> Шэь тще шт ф ргккн
[14:27:48] <fragalot> miss0r: trying to get the GLS website to show me nearby ones but ItDunWerk(tm)
[14:27:52] <robotustra> I'm not in a hurry
[14:28:17] <fragalot> ok there's one about 5km away
[14:28:20] <robotustra> Tom_L, to make a new button takes me 1-5 min
[14:28:30] <miss0r> I wonder what the shipment will amount to
[14:28:37] <fragalot> good Q
[14:29:01] <Tom_L> fragalot be sure to label it flamable and radioactive
[14:29:21] <miss0r> Tom_L: not radioactive, I'm probally already on a watchlist :D
[14:29:51] <Tom_L> and put tamper stickers on it
[14:33:47] <fragalot> Tom_L: I am considering putting a shockwatch sticker on
[14:34:32] <CaptHindsight> 3D scanners that only support nVidia also turn me off
[14:39:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.creaform3d.com at least these will output a 3d model in native SW or NX format
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[16:28:19] * JT-Shop built my house, garage and machine shop by his self... I hired the Mennonites to build the new shop as I could not build it that cheap
[16:29:23] <JT-Shop> or that fast, it took them 4 days to put up a 30' x 50' x 12' wood frame metal outside building
[16:31:12] <MarcelineVQ> dang
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[16:36:14] <jym> JT-Shop: how much?
[16:38:53] <JT-Shop> $20,950 with roll insulation including 6" concrete slab
[16:39:41] <Rab> Wow, nice.
[16:39:52] <Loetmichel> nice. thats a big "garage"...
[16:39:58] <Loetmichel> aka workshop
[16:40:02] <Rab> Are you doing finish-out for electrical etc?
[16:40:42] <JT-Shop> long done with that, I have a zillion outlets 6" more insulation and OSB walls
[16:40:42] <Loetmichel> but i dont get why you americans still use tin as a outer hull for houses
[16:40:55] <Loetmichel> isnt that EXTREMELY loud in rain?
[16:41:08] <JT-Shop> no, it's very quiet
[16:42:01] <JT-Shop> I cool the whole thing with a tiny little 120v wall AC and a few sticks of wood per day to heat in the winter
[16:42:32] * Loetmichel s company has 100mm thick corrugated metal with foam core on part of the roof... MAN does that sound like a big steel drum when it rains...
[16:44:06] <jym> JT-Shop: DAAAAAMN
[16:45:31] <JT-Shop> Loetmichel: the metal is compressing the roll on insulation with is outside the framing so it keeps the metal from moving
[16:45:34] <Deejay> imagine a hailstorm ;)
[16:45:50] <JT-Shop> been in there during a hailstorm still quiet
[16:46:05] <jym> Loetmichel: Have a snow roof (metal) on the house, and cna barely hear rain
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[16:51:13] <andypugh> The only sensoble thing to make roofs from is rocks. How many times do I have to point this out :-)
[16:52:14] <Loetmichel> jym: we have that stuff on the roof: https://www.heinl-bauelemente.de
[16:52:23] <Loetmichel> in 100++mm thick
[16:52:32] <Loetmichel> of the building addition.
[16:53:33] <Loetmichel> fun fact on the side: the roof "a-frames" are made of engineered wood... and are about 1' by 1' at the outer edges and 1' by 3' in the middle
[16:54:07] <Deejay> gn8
[16:54:19] <Loetmichel> the addition is about 50'by 50' though
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[17:13:19] <jym> andypugh: You can point it out in 150 years when you have to replace them... again ;)
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[18:04:53] <CaptHindsight> I once gave someone a 100 year warranty on an aluminum sign
[18:05:35] <SpeedEvil> A painted one?
[18:06:19] <CaptHindsight> black anodized, cnc cut
[18:06:37] <SpeedEvil> Did you actually verify teh dye was good?
[18:06:45] <SpeedEvil> Some of them badly UV fade
[18:07:28] <CaptHindsight> I made the colorant, wasn,t dye, was pigment ground to sub 50nm
[18:08:18] <CaptHindsight> carbon black holds up pretty well to UV
[18:09:25] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:10:13] <CaptHindsight> pigments in a ceramic or glass will hold up for 100's of years
[18:10:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[18:10:55] <CaptHindsight> matching TCE to the substrate is another issues
[18:11:03] <CaptHindsight> -s
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[19:52:35] <robotustra> what is "tool check" for?
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[20:42:44] <Tom_L> robotustra in regard to what?
[20:43:59] <robotustra> the button on cnc control terminal
[20:45:51] <Tom_L> in axis?
[20:50:21] <robotustra> https://imagebin.ca
[20:50:25] <robotustra> did some coloring
[20:50:54] <robotustra> http://www.centroidcnc.com
[20:51:07] <robotustra> here abofe E-stop button
[20:51:25] <Tom_L> what control is that?
[20:51:42] <robotustra> between "single block" and "feed hold"
[20:51:44] <robotustra> yellow
[20:51:54] <robotustra> below X-
[20:52:34] <robotustra> may it's to move tool to a position to verify it's state
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[20:54:37] <pink_vampire> robotustra: what ui is that?
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[21:00:55] <robotustra> pink_vampire, you are about 1 picture or the second?
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[21:01:45] <pink_vampire> https://imagebin.ca
[21:01:56] <robotustra> I'm doing it
[21:02:50] <robotustra> I'm drawing buttons right now
[21:03:07] <pink_vampire> it is a new ui back end?
[21:04:59] <robotustra> sort of, I'm not a lcnc developer, if I'll finish it and somebody will want it I possibly publish it
[21:06:02] <robotustra> I would like to have gui like this, adapted for touch screen
[21:06:49] <pink_vampire> I would love to
[21:07:37] <robotustra> good then
[21:07:49] <pink_vampire> I need stuff for probing
[21:08:37] <robotustra> do you mean a gui for probing?
[21:09:51] <robotustra> this is just main layout, I'm planning to make MDI layout too
[21:10:14] <pink_vampire> yes, I have about every macro you can think of for probing
[21:11:15] <robotustra> in this gui I'm doing you can draw your own elements and attach whatever you want in text ini file
[21:14:12] <robotustra> soon I'll need to understand how to interface with hal and lcnc from this gui
[21:15:03] <pink_vampire> sound like haven
[21:15:15] <pink_vampire> I'm not a programmer at all
[21:15:29] <pink_vampire> but I know how to work with SVG
[21:16:08] <robotustra> you'll no need of any SVG
[21:16:25] <_unreal_> sup
[21:16:36] <Tom_L> u tell us
[21:16:38] <pink_vampire> I mean if you want me to help you with icon design
[21:16:49] <robotustra> you can draw everything in terms of moveTo, lineTo, arcTo
[21:17:07] <_unreal_> Just got a lot of my hardware
[21:17:22] <_unreal_> Got my motors, drivers, and bunch of other stuff
[21:17:41] <_unreal_> just purchased an @#$@#$@# SD card so I can load an OS for the tinker board
[21:17:43] <Tom_L> time to put it to work
[21:18:02] <_unreal_> :S I dont think I'm going to get time to do a DAMN thing right now
[21:18:19] <_unreal_> I'm working on getting my daughter tobed... she's eating pizza right now
[21:18:39] <Tom_L> your night to cook :)
[21:18:43] <robotustra> pink_vampire, it's not difficult for me to dwar an icon if you give me a sample from internet
[21:19:29] <robotustra> now I'm just drawing a "standard" buttons, common to any cnc machine
[21:19:53] <_unreal_> I was so impressed with her JOB on writing her thesis (4th grade) 9yo... I'm letting her have her list kid sizes coke at 9pm
[21:20:04] <_unreal_> list=last
[21:20:43] <robotustra> _to_much_emotions_detected_
[21:20:57] <pink_vampire> I'm using the "Axis" ui and i made a font to use as icons (yes I'm that horrible when it come to programming)
[21:22:12] <robotustra> I installed linux cnc and looked at all gui which came with it. And I didn't find any relevant for me and then I decided to write my own
[21:22:31] <robotustra> axis in not even look like cnc console
[21:23:01] <robotustra> to select axis from combo box? Are you serious?
[21:23:46] <robotustra> imho the cnc console must be of "one touch access" concept
[21:23:54] <pink_vampire> i need to linux cnc for AFM
[21:23:58] <robotustra> any action do in one touch
[21:24:10] <robotustra> do you have one?
[21:24:12] <Tom_L> crash?
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[21:24:52] <robotustra> pink_vampire, what are you investigating with AFM?
[21:25:06] <pink_vampire> atoms
[21:25:26] <robotustra> do you have -270C chamber?
[21:25:47] <pink_vampire> no need to
[21:26:06] <robotustra> then you can't resolve atoms :
[21:26:09] <robotustra> )
[21:26:24] <robotustra> pink_vampire, what type of AFM do you have?
[21:26:35] <Tom_L> https://books.google.com
[21:26:42] <Tom_L> start around P 46
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[21:28:15] <robotustra> Tom_L, thanks, but I'll try to adapt these icons for "hobby machinist" case
[21:29:00] <_unreal_> So I'm torn between trying https://www.asus.com or https://www.elar-systems.com
[21:29:22] <_unreal_> ubuntu or debian and xubuntu or lubuntu
[21:29:22] <robotustra> don't think many hobby machinists have automatic tool clamp/unclamp
[21:29:23] <_unreal_> ?
[21:29:32] <_unreal_> robotustra, lol
[21:29:43] <robotustra> _unreal_, debian 100%
[21:30:04] <_unreal_> robotustra, I picked up an asus tinker board
[21:30:33] <_unreal_> Just got an SD card I'm trying to solve What image to drop on to it... I dont know what is the most mature... but its going to be LINUXCNC for now
[21:30:50] <pink_vampire> https://dberard.com
[21:31:29] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, What the hell is that
[21:31:57] <robotustra> why not to try install lcnc image on it directly
[21:32:30] <robotustra> it's atomic force microscope
[21:32:30] <pink_vampire> https://dberarddotcom.files.wordpress.com
[21:32:35] <_unreal_> robotustra, I dont know that it iwll support the gpu
[21:33:15] <CaptHindsight> it's an ARM board
[21:33:25] <robotustra> why do you need gpu on linux cnc?
[21:33:44] <CaptHindsight> user interface
[21:33:47] <pink_vampire> for the UI
[21:33:54] <_unreal_> lol
[21:34:00] <robotustra> which one? :)
[21:34:05] <robotustra> are you kidding me?
[21:34:10] <pink_vampire> the tool path
[21:34:22] <robotustra> haha
[21:34:24] <_unreal_> robotustra, I'm not running "turbocnc" here
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[21:34:42] <_unreal_> Though dont get me worng it had its day
[21:34:52] <CaptHindsight> System-on-chip used: Rockchip RK3288
[21:35:03] <CaptHindsight> Graphics: ARM Mali-T764 GPU - Supports 1080 & 4K
[21:35:08] <robotustra> pink_vampire, did you build it yourself, or just going to build?
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[21:35:44] <CaptHindsight> no open driver, so youre stuck with whatever kernel they provide a binary driver for
[21:35:48] <robotustra> I'm not sure debian will have drivers for that
[21:35:55] <pink_vampire> the software is what stopping me from doing it
[21:36:22] <CaptHindsight> https://tinkerboarding.co.uk
[21:36:44] <robotustra> pink_vampire, software design is stopping me from building robots, but I still building them :)
[21:36:47] <CaptHindsight> https://tinkerboarding.co.uk
[21:37:25] <_unreal_> Ok the kid is in bed
[21:38:10] <CaptHindsight> chloroform worked?
[21:38:16] <robotustra> it means you have +30 min to talk befo go to sleep?
[21:38:51] <_unreal_> CaptHindsight, What are you reccomending as far as an image
[21:38:57] <_unreal_> from the 2 links I posted
[21:38:59] <_unreal_> ?
[21:39:22] <CaptHindsight> haven't read those threads but I see all sorts of posted issues
[21:39:39] <robotustra> pink_vampire, I don't think you need lcnc to control AFM
[21:39:58] <CaptHindsight> atomic farce microscope?
[21:41:21] <robotustra> yes
[21:41:36] <robotustra> he/she wants to build it
[21:41:49] <pink_vampire> robotustra: it is X and Y for scanning, and there is several ways to do scanning paths
[21:42:10] <robotustra> you can do it with usual arduino
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[21:43:06] <robotustra> pink_vampire, https://www.youtube.com
[21:43:08] <pink_vampire> maybe some day...
[21:43:13] <robotustra> the same principle
[21:44:22] <pink_vampire> convert it to pic scale
[21:44:27] <pink_vampire> pico*
[21:44:38] <robotustra> yes
[21:44:42] <robotustra> easy
[21:45:07] <robotustra> just remove lashbacks
[21:45:54] <pink_vampire> there is no backlash in the AFM it is all pre loaded
[21:46:18] <robotustra> I'm talking about my system :)
[21:46:27] <pink_vampire> spring?
[21:46:49] <robotustra> anti lachback nuts
[21:47:29] <robotustra> btw, I used nuts form cd-rom readers, they also have no lash backs
[21:47:45] <pink_vampire> "lash backs"??
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[21:47:53] <robotustra> backlash
[21:48:02] <robotustra> my enrgish is poor
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[21:48:48] <robotustra> my enrgish is poor
[21:48:51] <robotustra> backlash
[21:49:00] <jdh> close enough
[21:49:24] <pink_vampire> lol
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[21:51:05] <Tom_L> robotustra some do
[21:51:41] <robotustra> Tom_L, these icons look obsolete :)
[21:52:57] <robotustra> I think that dvd-roms are a good candidate to be converted to AFM
[21:53:14] <robotustra> as soon as they have head adjustment
[21:53:41] <robotustra> like electro magnets + springs
[21:54:04] <pink_vampire> they are in use
[21:54:08] <pink_vampire> http://web.archive.org
[21:55:05] <robotustra> cool
[21:56:40] <robotustra> this configuration of parts is needed to prevent cantiliver from bending?
[21:58:25] <pink_vampire> the bending of the cantilever is read by the dvd laser
[22:00:19] <robotustra> ok
[22:00:44] <robotustra> could somebody explain me the diff between JOG and RAPID
[22:01:18] <pink_vampire> jog is the speed you are move the machine by hand
[22:01:31] <pink_vampire> rapid is the speed for G0
[22:01:47] <robotustra> ok
[22:02:15] <robotustra> it means jog is usualy smaller than rabid
[22:02:19] <robotustra> rapid
[22:02:33] <robotustra> is jog related to G1?
[22:02:39] <pink_vampire> rapid is the MAX speed
[22:02:46] <pink_vampire> no
[22:03:26] <pink_vampire> Feed Override is your max G1 speed
[22:03:36] <robotustra> hm, it the book it's written than JOG and RAPID could be dome in manual mode
[22:03:41] <Tom_L> jog is everything under rapid
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[22:04:34] <robotustra> ok
[22:04:49] <robotustra> Handle == MPG?
[22:05:16] <pink_vampire> keyboard
[22:05:52] <robotustra> MPG on the button means "manual pulse generator"?
[22:06:44] <robotustra> so AUTO mode icon is way not evident for hobby machinist...
[22:07:04] <robotustra> I would never guess the meaning
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[22:08:25] <pink_vampire> https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:09:52] <robotustra> I know what is jogging, but not in terms of cnc
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[22:10:23] <pink_vampire> you never used a cnc before?????
[22:10:38] <pink_vampire> but you re design the interface?????????
[22:11:01] <robotustra> I used mach3
[22:11:11] <robotustra> for 3 years
[22:11:21] <robotustra> 4+
[22:11:27] <pink_vampire> don't make linux cnc mach3
[22:11:32] <robotustra> but mainly in auto mode
[22:11:55] <Tom_L> pink_vampire, it's his toy let him play
[22:12:13] <Tom_L> you don't like it you can take your toys and go home :)
[22:12:31] <robotustra> that's why I'm asking, there are some difference between professional cnc control and toyish mach3 control
[22:12:52] <Tom_L> https://matrix.org
[22:12:56] <robotustra> my taget user is me
[22:12:57] <Tom_L> i'm kinda liking that one so far
[22:13:05] <Tom_L> so why are you asking us then?
[22:13:10] <robotustra> I have to understand if I need it first :)
[22:13:22] <robotustra> I'm asking general questions
[22:13:57] <robotustra> and I will possibly add professional icons to my gui
[22:14:23] <robotustra> anyway any control can be added thou
[22:14:25] <pink_vampire> i was also using mach3 before and the LCNC ui was soo complicated at the beginning, but after about a month, I understand the power in linux cnc.
[22:14:44] <robotustra> i didn't use lcnc yet
[22:15:00] <robotustra> I'm building new machine to run on lcnc
[22:15:00] <Tom_L> you're missing out on life
[22:15:28] <Tom_L> as you use it you will see what you need
[22:15:57] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: you are right.
[22:16:22] <robotustra> before I finished my lathe I'm not moccing anything
[22:16:27] <robotustra> missing
[22:16:36] <robotustra> I can't start use it :)
[22:16:43] <robotustra> yet
[22:16:50] <Roguish> robotustra: you really should use simple vanilla linuxcnc with axis gui for a bit before working on a ui.
[22:17:26] <robotustra> Roguish, I don't need to use it, I can just watch people use it on youtube
[22:17:36] <Roguish> BS
[22:17:53] <Tom_L> ^^
[22:18:10] <pink_vampire> ^^
[22:18:39] <robotustra> what is vanilla
[22:18:51] <Tom_L> plain
[22:19:05] <pink_vampire> the basic
[22:19:13] <Roguish> robotustra: you see that link Tom_L just put up? that ui has like 5 or 6 people working on it.
[22:19:26] <Roguish> it ain't easy.
[22:19:29] <Tom_L> coming along quite nice too
[22:19:51] <robotustra> Roguish, and what?
[22:20:03] <robotustra> what if I'm a genious?
[22:20:09] <Roguish> good luck. you need it.
[22:20:13] <Tom_L> go forth and do it
[22:20:18] <robotustra> I will
[22:20:27] <robotustra> I have no machine to try lcnc yet
[22:20:32] <Roguish> is it done yet?
[22:21:12] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[22:21:29] <robotustra> https://imgur.com
[22:21:40] <robotustra> I think in a 1/2 of year
[22:22:42] <robotustra> https://imgur.com this guy work on mach3 and I don't want to ruin setup yet
[22:22:42] <Roguish> looks ok so far. have you figured out how to get the 2 axes square? really 90 degrees, in really parallel planes?
[22:23:17] <robotustra> yes, I have right angles
[22:23:41] <Roguish> are you sure? have you measured them?
[22:23:52] <robotustra> yep
[22:24:00] <pink_vampire> what rails and blocks are those?
[22:24:22] <Roguish> what tolerance? 1 deg? .1 deg? .001 deg? .000001 rad?
[22:24:45] <Tom_L> infinity and beyond...
[22:25:04] <robotustra> Roguish, I use a rule, "if you can't make it exact - make it adjustable"
[22:25:17] <robotustra> I'll adjust after, I have a range
[22:25:46] <Roguish> adjustable is good. so long as you can adjust to your expectations.
[22:26:22] <Roguish> it's all relative. and scalable.
[22:26:31] <Tom_L> i _could_ remake some of the parts on mine and get it more accurate i think since all i had to machine them in the beginning was a sherline
[22:27:12] <robotustra> pink_vampire, HGR20 HIWIN
[22:27:12] <Roguish> it's all about expectations and requirements.
[22:27:17] <Tom_L> i'm not making aircraft parts etc so i'm pretty happy with it
[22:27:24] <Tom_L> yeah
[22:27:47] <pink_vampire> need to be more letters in the model
[22:28:06] <Roguish> i did a machine that was good for +-0.10 inches. but that was over 210 feet x 70 feet x 10 feet.
[22:28:15] <Tom_L> i think i downloaded all the block models for the 20mm rails
[22:28:23] <robotustra> true, it's quite easy to adjust right angle for lathe after
[22:28:47] <robotustra> to verify convex/concave cuts
[22:28:54] <Tom_L> i used to run some parts that were +0 - .0005 too but i don't expect that from mine
[22:28:58] <robotustra> and diameters on the cylinders
[22:29:19] <Roguish> not trying to bust you nuts, just keep it real. and most important, have fun doing it.
[22:29:39] <Tom_L> that's what i'm about nowdays
[22:29:49] <robotustra> thanks that you beleive in me, it's not my first machine
[22:30:09] <Roguish> cool, we look forward to seeing it run.
[22:30:10] <robotustra> and I kinda scraped an iron plates for half of the year :)
[22:30:20] <robotustra> manually
[22:31:14] <robotustra> I know that geometry for mashine is more important than the surface roughness
[22:31:30] <_unreal_> ok had dinner
[22:31:33] <_unreal_> I'm back
[22:32:18] <robotustra> pink_vampire, HGW20CC
[22:32:33] <robotustra> it's for Z axis
[22:33:09] <robotustra> SSR20XV for X axis
[22:34:09] <_unreal_> ok so the image is an IMG... do I DD that to my sd card?
[22:34:22] <_unreal_> I see no detials on how to write the image to the sd card
[22:34:23] <_unreal_> sigh
[22:34:29] <Tom_L> umm there's a way to convert it i think
[22:34:35] <Tom_L> at least to a thumb drive
[22:34:43] <Tom_L> i'm not sure about SD
[22:34:55] <robotustra> I usually do dd to /dev/sd*
[22:35:01] <robotustra> directly
[22:35:21] <robotustra> but I don't know what image you are talking about
[22:35:36] <Tom_L> for his arm board
[22:35:42] <_unreal_> https://www.asus.com
[22:35:59] <_unreal_> robotustra, click the down arrow. i'm looking at the latest debian image
[22:36:01] <_unreal_> 1gb
[22:36:21] <Tom_L> i use rufus
[22:36:21] <_unreal_> downloads as a zipfile unzips as an img file
[22:36:31] <_unreal_> I dont do drugs
[22:36:37] <robotustra> I would try dd
[22:36:40] <Tom_L> i don't either but i use rufus
[22:36:42] <_unreal_> oh rufus not rufes
[22:36:53] <robotustra> if it will not work, 2) plan B
[22:37:04] <Tom_L> https://www.handheldgroup.com
[22:37:08] <robotustra> but pretty sure it will work
[22:37:21] <Tom_L> click click and done
[22:37:55] <robotustra> "said adwanced point clicker..."
[22:38:06] <robotustra> v
[22:38:55] <robotustra> any boot image written to any block device should work
[22:39:07] <robotustra> with dd
[22:39:56] <robotustra> dd if=./boot.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1024
[22:40:13] <robotustra> sd<whatever>
[22:40:50] <robotustra> check dmesg to find out what is your sdcard drive
[22:43:38] <robotustra> or /dev/mmcblk0
[22:46:39] <robotustra> I think I did something like "dd if=./...iso of=/dev/mmcblk0" and it was ok
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[23:21:25] <robotustra> the guy on a video just confessed that axis ui is not usable https://www.youtube.com
[23:28:19] <_unreal_> why didnt any one tell me I fell asleep
[23:28:51] <MarcelineVQ> you looked so peaceful
[23:29:54] <_unreal_> you should have blinked louder
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[23:44:46] <_unreal_> shit no wonder it didnt work. I of=/dev/sdb1 not /dev/sdb
[23:49:13] <_unreal_> re-writing the card
[23:49:15] <_unreal_> arg....
[23:49:26] <_unreal_> for being a "fast" card it sure is slow