#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-09-03
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[00:02:38] <_unreal_> there yep I'm going to do it
[00:02:42] <_unreal_> I know what I'm going to do now
[00:03:04] <_unreal_> I know how I'm going to setup the box I have
[00:03:14] <_unreal_> It will look nice when I'm done.
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[01:09:42] <fragalot> hi
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[01:32:36] <miss0r|office> hello
[01:32:41] <fragalot> mornin'
[01:32:58] <miss0r|office> fragalot: Waiting for the electrical company man to come exhange my power meter
[01:33:14] <fragalot> ha you'll be there all day
[01:33:18] <fragalot> :D
[01:33:19] <miss0r|office> hehe yeah
[01:33:27] <miss0r|office> well.. from 07:00-11:00
[01:33:38] <fragalot> but if you leave and let your wife handle it, they'll do what they did @ my dads
[01:33:48] <miss0r|office> So I am shutting down my server at the moment
[01:33:54] <miss0r|office> What did they do? :)
[01:34:04] <fragalot> and run a new cable for the new meter through your freshly tiled floor breaking 3 tiles, and running the cable NEXT to the cable gutter you so kindly provided and labeled for them
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[01:34:31] <fragalot> using those hammer-in ziptie holders
[01:34:42] <fragalot> rammed into oversized holes
[01:34:47] <miss0r|office> lol
[01:34:56] <miss0r|office> luckily I *only* need the meter replaced.
[01:35:02] <fragalot> :)
[01:35:22] <fragalot> anyway I need to get going
[01:35:23] <fragalot> ttyl
[01:35:28] <miss0r|office> yeah, seeya
[01:35:29] <miss0r|office> og
[01:35:31] <miss0r|office> wait
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[01:35:36] <miss0r|office> fak :)
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[02:57:06] <Deejay> moin
[02:58:48] <Loetmichel> *hmpf* 6 years worth of CAD data on the CNC computer... not sorting system... now i am searching for a file i made a while ago... cant remember its name OR when precisely though... and boss wants front lid for a PC ASAP (that is in that file i am searching)... :-(
[02:59:44] <Deejay> you are getting old! ;)
[03:00:51] <Loetmichel> Deejay: dont think so... could get a bit mor organized though ;)
[03:01:20] <miss0r|office> hehe.. my CAD directory on my nas is not funny either. I *should* get something done too
[03:02:21] <Loetmichel> just counted: 14541 .cdr files on that system... and no name or other hint at where that darn file is.
[03:03:36] <miss0r|office> damn
[03:06:49] <Loetmichel> *ahhh* a hooray to coworkers... he hinted me that the last time i built it is just a month ago and what the customer name was... found it... on page three of the according cad file ;)
[03:07:01] <XXCoder> lol
[03:07:50] <Loetmichel> you only see the first page in the preview in corel draw... thats why i flipped thru the file a few times ;)
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[03:53:44] <pink_vampire> https://www.sinterit.com
[03:54:42] <XXCoder> looks like SLA?
[03:54:55] <XXCoder> or SLS
[03:55:04] <pink_vampire> SLS
[03:55:33] <XXCoder> pretty expensive
[03:55:52] <XXCoder> oh its larger than I thought
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[04:22:27] <norias> good morning
[04:23:39] <XXCoder> hey
[04:24:22] <norias> how goes?
[04:24:32] <XXCoder> not much just playing
[04:24:39] <norias> playing?
[04:24:44] <norias> baseball?
[04:24:55] <XXCoder> yeah prymid reloaded challenge, a special minecraft mod pack
[04:25:30] * norias nods.
[04:25:38] <norias> that all sounds very cool
[04:28:15] <XXCoder> its fun
[04:28:47] <XXCoder> I start off on tiny island in vodi by larger island, rules is I cant build on larger one, and meet challenges to get more items to meet more
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[04:32:45] <norias> oh, that's fun
[04:32:56] <norias> pink_vampire: i like your nick
[04:42:50] <pink_vampire> thanks
[04:43:17] <norias> you're welcome
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[04:44:16] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to do live stream
[04:44:40] <XXCoder> on cnc machining?
[04:45:01] <pink_vampire> of something..
[04:45:11] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[04:46:15] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[04:47:07] <norias> there is no try
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[04:48:23] <pink_vampire> ?
[04:48:29] <pink_vampire> any comments?
[04:48:49] <XXCoder> it seems purely audio so cant make any comments :)
[04:49:10] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to move it to the cnc
[04:49:14] <norias> there is video
[04:49:15] <MarcelineVQ> it's notr audio, it's a closeup of a pant leg
[04:49:19] <norias> but not much to see
[04:49:23] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: I know
[04:49:30] <XXCoder> norias: yep what I meant :P
[04:49:43] <norias> oh, there's stuff now
[04:49:56] <norias> what a mess
[04:50:10] <XXCoder> meh seen worse shops pictured in here
[04:50:15] <norias> lol
[04:50:29] <norias> 5S!
[04:50:40] <norias> something, something, something, Satan
[04:53:08] <norias> oh man
[04:53:09] <norias> gears
[04:53:15] <MarcelineVQ> neat stuff
[04:53:27] <norias> i crushed the gears in a pretty big horizontal mill a week ago
[04:53:42] <norias> horizontal boring mill
[04:53:45] <norias> the floor type
[04:57:48] <pink_vampire> ?
[04:58:56] <norias> https://www.youtube.com
[04:58:59] <norias> something like that
[05:02:20] <XXCoder> looked odd, no wonder its giant
[05:19:47] <norias> bleh
[05:20:02] <pink_vampire> ?
[05:20:10] <norias> i feel bleh
[05:20:11] <norias> sorry
[05:20:22] <norias> also, reworking my resume
[05:20:29] <norias> necessary evil
[05:20:35] <XXCoder> fun
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[05:25:38] <norias> i've heard claims that a job search is roughly
[05:25:47] <norias> salary / 10 = months
[05:26:57] <pink_vampire> I need an idea
[05:27:49] <XXCoder> what kind of idea?
[05:28:09] <pink_vampire> how to mount the servo
[05:28:54] <norias> carefully
[05:29:18] <norias> don't they have a standard bolt pattern?
[05:31:24] <pink_vampire> it's a bit complicated
[05:31:44] <pink_vampire> i need to float the servo about 28 mm above the head of the machine
[05:33:31] <norias> "float"?
[05:33:43] <pink_vampire> yes
[05:33:50] <norias> make a 28mm spacer
[05:33:58] <pink_vampire> i need to tight the belt
[05:34:28] <norias> i feel like i haven't a clue what's going on here
[05:42:37] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to make paper model
[05:42:58] <XXCoder> nice idea
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[05:43:04] <pink_vampire> how to you test stuff before making them?
[05:43:04] <XXCoder> visualize what setup looks like
[05:43:15] <XXCoder> I make parts I dont design unfortunately
[05:43:30] <XXCoder> youre far more advanced on engineering part than I am
[05:43:50] <Wolf__> cad it all and hope you measured everything correct
[05:44:09] <pink_vampire> the problem here is to take good measurements
[05:44:48] <pink_vampire> and sometime i need to start build something just to see how stuff go..
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[05:52:17] <miss0r> g'day
[05:53:19] <norias> pink_vampire: aye, it's called the prototyping process
[05:53:27] <XXCoder> yo
[05:53:44] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: can always use something cheap like wood to test fit design
[05:53:45] <pink_vampire> I know
[05:55:05] <miss0r> or go straight for steel; maniacs like me do that all the time :D
[05:56:08] <XXCoder> lol
[05:57:50] <miss0r> bah"
[05:59:01] <miss0r> Ebay seller sent me a angle block set. This was lost in shipment. I waited for almost a month for it, and he agreed to send me a new one with express shipment last friday. It was to be delievered today before noon, but apparently TNT made a mistake, and the tracking information now only says 'Delayed in transit, we will contact you soon'. Well, perhaps I'm not ment to own such a set, it would seem
[06:00:16] <norias> TNT?
[06:00:37] <miss0r> its a shipment company
[06:00:40] <XXCoder> ow
[06:00:43] <norias> ah
[06:01:58] <pink_vampire> norias: it's like dhl and ups..
[06:02:06] <norias> right on
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[06:02:22] <miss0r> This is pretty frustrating :)
[06:02:52] <selroc> log
[06:02:53] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[06:22:15] <Loetmichel> uups... that could have gone bad... the CAM (CamBam) i use for the CNC router wanted to plunge sideways into the holes with 0,7mm travel... a bit impossible if you have 2.5mm holes and a 2mm mill bit... all M3 predrills missing in the Gcode... luckily i noticed before i lifted the aluminium sheet from the vacuum table... new CAM with 0,1mm plunge sideways and its now running "empty" over the
[06:22:15] <Loetmichel> same part exept the predrills... ;)
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[06:23:28] <XXCoder> plunge, sideways? wouldnt that snap drill
[06:24:20] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: mill bit
[06:24:33] <Loetmichel> it mills a spiral down
[06:24:47] <Loetmichel> but it wants to start the plunge sideways
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[06:26:39] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:28:38] <jthornton> morning
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[06:29:39] <Loetmichel> a bit like this: https://www.youtube.com
[06:29:54] <Loetmichel> just smaller
[06:30:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:49:57] <Tecan> http://www.netpipe.ca chain boom this sucker to a tree for hunting game
[06:51:04] <XXCoder> huh
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[06:53:28] <Tecan> maybe its too high and does not require 2 support
[06:54:28] <Tecan> might be too much shock on the bearing though ?
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[06:57:52] <Tecan> whats easiest way to make a quick metal wormgear
[06:58:03] <Tecan> plasma cutter and threadrod ?
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[06:58:12] <XXCoder> buying one. ;)
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[06:59:19] <Loetmichel> Tecan: easiest way is to use an aluminium disk and a thread cutter(tap) on the outer rim
[06:59:33] <Loetmichel> and let it run a while with constant sideways pressure
[06:59:59] <Loetmichel> and then take a piece if fitting threaded rod as the worm
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[07:00:06] <SpeedEvil> Or just cut a grooved disk, and epoxy in some threaded rod
[07:00:09] <Loetmichel> s/if/of
[07:00:10] <Tecan> would it stand up to riffle shock loads ?
[07:00:26] <Loetmichel> depends on which tap you use
[07:00:31] <Loetmichel> and which threaded rod ;)
[07:00:41] <Tecan> homehardware stuff
[07:00:55] <Loetmichel> no, i meant which size
[07:01:58] <Tecan> probably 3/4 inch
[07:03:30] <Loetmichel> use a pretty low tpi thread then
[07:03:31] <Tecan> with 6" gear
[07:03:51] <Loetmichel> so that enough "flesh" is in between the teeth to hold
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[07:10:03] <fragalot> getting the teeth to align will be a b*tch though if you're just going to wrap threaded rod around a pulley
[07:10:51] <Tecan> maybe a larger one of these would work if i was careful with how the load is distributed https://www.thingiverse.com
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[07:11:05] <Tecan> print in carbon fiber or something
[07:11:05] <miss0r|office> fragalot: Just got the mail.. Its not alt of money, but it is still 50% of the total price of the tapping head :D
[07:11:17] <fragalot> :P
[07:11:19] <Tecan> maybe use 4 gears
[07:15:36] <Tecan> print with carbon fiber nylon
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[07:28:05] <fragalot> miss0r|office: yet in total it's still under 10% of the original cost of one :-)
[07:28:26] <miss0r|office> fragalot: Yeah, I got you covered, bro :P
[07:28:31] <fragalot> :D
[07:30:46] <Tecan> got a suggestion to use winshield wiper motors
[07:47:19] <Loetmichel> *ptui* *pffrrrt* *cleaning aluminium swarf from face and neck* Note to self: having the head over the CNC router when the mill bit "punchs thru" on the outer contour is a bad idea... rest material fell off the mill because it was hanging over the back end of the table and threw a handful of swarf riiigth in my face :-(
[07:49:15] <fragalot> Have you learned your lesson? :P
[07:50:37] <Loetmichel> nope
[07:50:38] <Loetmichel> never
[07:51:39] <miss0r|office> ha
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[08:16:21] <fragalot> miss0r|office: this is where we find out if tapmatic is still going to sell to me now that i've told them I don't have a VAT number :)
[08:17:49] <jthornton> fragalot: which tapmatic are you wanting?
[08:17:59] <fragalot> jthornton: I got the 50x but no nut or collets
[08:18:12] <jthornton> ah
[08:18:25] <gloops> one here £60 https://www.ebay.co.uk
[08:21:55] <jthornton> fragalot: you need parts for your 50x?
[08:22:11] <fragalot> jthornton: I might - depends on what tapmatic tells me in the next few minutes :-)
[08:23:19] <jthornton> ok
[08:27:30] <fragalot> I've found a lot of companies out there, at least the ones I contact, are very accomodating until you mention you have no VAT number when they try to set up an account
[08:27:48] <fragalot> then communication often abruptly ends all together, or they kindly say "sorry please bugger off"
[08:30:46] <jthornton> lol
[08:37:01] * Loetmichel just made another one of these front lids... MAAAN does that 1.5mm thick sheet aluminium get rigid once all the screws are in... :-) -> http://www.cyrom.org
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[08:40:37] <Stephanisk> Hi everyone
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[08:42:03] <Stephanisk> I was wondering if anyone is present with good knowledge of camworks and the postprocessor for it for a 4 axis machine. I have a few questions on the simulator that I don't seem to be able to solve
[08:43:31] <Stephanisk> Actually anyone that knows how to create posts would be great to meet.
[08:43:58] <Stephanisk> I set it as my most important goal, the knowledge to create postprocessors
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[08:57:51] <miss0r> fragalot: As you haven't written anything in here since.. Did you abruptly discontinue comms ? :D
[08:58:07] <miss0r> you=they
[08:58:19] <fragalot> just got a reply, they need to look into it
[08:59:14] <miss0r> hehe.. We both know what that means. They are stalling for time while drinking coffee, before sending you the prewritten speach about not dealing directly with costumers
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[09:01:33] <fragalot> :)
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[09:01:47] <fragalot> miss0r: I think it will more be a case of "whoops we forgot to use list price rather than quote price"
[09:02:03] <miss0r> :]
[09:02:48] <miss0r> fragalot: No updates on your crate to me.. apparently it is still sitting in belgium
[09:03:02] * fragalot => cake & then talk to Style's rep about a new mill
[09:03:04] <fragalot> miss0r: really?
[09:03:15] <miss0r> I am waiting for something like 5 seprate packages at the moment. Nothing is comming... :D
[09:03:16] <miss0r> yeah
[09:03:23] <fragalot> I don't have the # with me atm so I can't really check
[09:03:25] <miss0r> fragalot: https://gls-group.eu
[09:03:46] <miss0r> ^
[09:03:48] <fragalot> I'll give them a call later
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[09:04:00] <miss0r> and ask them wtf is up ! :)
[09:04:09] <fragalot> I saw the parcelshop put the box in the "To Send" pile
[09:04:17] <miss0r> also: the impossible happened.
[09:04:23] <fragalot> ?
[09:04:35] <miss0r> My 30+ year old hi-spot blue has started to set
[09:04:39] * jthornton gives up trying to install pluma plugins and just installs gedit and removes the offical mate editor lol
[09:04:50] <miss0r> "never dries" my ass :D
[09:05:08] <fragalot> ha
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[09:07:08] <miss0r> Loetmichel: How busy are you at the moment? If at all possible, I would like to order a cabinet from you in a near future
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[09:09:14] <Loetmichel> depends on how complex the cabinet is ;)
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[09:10:43] <miss0r> Not too bad, I think ;) Its for the new cnc controller I'm building
[09:11:11] <miss0r> I'll compose some drawings when I have a clue :D
[09:11:29] <Loetmichel> make a drafgt how you think it should be and i see if i can manufacture that...
[09:11:45] <Loetmichel> depending on where you live you are aware that shipping can be expensive from germanyß
[09:11:46] <Loetmichel> ?
[09:11:52] <Loetmichel> draft
[09:13:23] <miss0r> sure. I live in Denmark, so I think shipping will be within acceptable
[09:13:58] <miss0r> Still waiting for the pieces to the puzzle. I can draw a draft now, but I have little clue about the overall dimensions
[09:14:12] <gloops> Stephanisk there is an #CAM
[09:14:39] <gloops> looks pretty dead now though
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[10:10:27] <_unreal_> @#$@#$ bleep... ok so the little box I wanted to use as my mount enclosure for the touch screen/RPI clone is a hair and I do me a HAIR to small... :(
[10:10:37] <_unreal_> sigh.. more $
[10:11:07] <Loetmichel> _unreal_: make one yourself?
[10:12:22] <_unreal_> lack of time
[10:12:33] <_unreal_> #$%!#@$% I want to kill the dog. keeps crying becuase of the rain
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[10:13:17] <_unreal_> I'm not about to go sit out in the living room so he will shut up
[10:13:24] <_unreal_> GOD I hate that dog
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[10:16:02] <_unreal_> What I'm looking for is an enclosure for my RPI clone and 7" LCD
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[10:18:06] <_unreal_> https://www.google.com
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[10:18:13] <_unreal_> a case like that but for 7" would be ideal
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[10:39:53] <Tom_L> _unreal_ he probably feels the same about you, that's why he keeps annoying you
[10:42:07] <Tom_L> https://www.hammfg.com
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[10:51:12] <Tom_L> t-storms every day this week :(
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[10:52:02] <_unreal_> he's not at MY door whining its other family members he's begging for
[10:52:08] <_unreal_> Tom_L, same here
[10:52:26] <_unreal_> though south florida thats normal 6 months of the year
[10:52:47] <_unreal_> the other 6 months ZERO rain clear skys every day
[10:53:19] <gregcnc> 4-5 inches of rain here since friday
[10:53:25] <gregcnc> https://radar.weather.gov
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[11:14:26] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
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[11:57:35] <gloops> pfff just drilled 2 impossible holes to mount my vertical surface under the router, got it in position - wont work in that position
[11:58:37] <Tom_L> they tried to warn ya
[12:00:53] <bigIdea> Hi guys I am new here, I just started on the linuxcnc climb, and i am currently cannot get my stepper motors to move at all. I have tried everything that I know, which I can list if you want.
[12:01:21] <Tom_L> step timing, enable ....
[12:01:43] <gloops> nobodys steppers ever move first time heh
[12:01:46] <SpeedEvil> Do they make noise or get hot, or catch on fire?
[12:01:53] <SpeedEvil> or all three?
[12:02:11] <bigIdea> I am using a automation technologies cnc stepper kit with a c-10 breakout board, when I give it power the steppers just lock up.
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[12:02:35] <gloops> so they power up
[12:02:54] <gloops> all you need now is a signal to make them move
[12:03:14] <bigIdea> yep, but just lock into the position there were in
[12:03:41] <gloops> thats normal
[12:05:01] <gloops> so, you are jogging or running g-code in linuxcnc - and nothing happens bigIdea?
[12:05:18] <bigIdea> I tested the cable to see if I had the correct paralle cable, made sure I have the correct parallel address, and correct permissions.
[12:05:29] <Loetmichel> hihi, just had to move wifes mercedes GLC hybrid into the garage (plumber parked in front of it when she came home)... maaan is that an eiree feeling to "start" a car and put it in "D", press the accelerator and you hear no sound apart from a slight hum... and the 2.3 metric ton car starts to move ;)
[12:05:30] <bigIdea> I am try in stepconfig
[12:06:18] <gloops> well its a process of elimination, probably best to start with the obvious stuff first
[12:06:36] <gloops> you have set the right pins in stepconfig?
[12:07:48] <gloops> this breakout board - it needs 5v supply right? you got that sorted - all lit up, leds on etc
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[12:09:18] <bigIdea> yep, it light up with the enabled light and power, the stepper drivers are getting power, and I have the axis pins set in stepconfig to match what they are on the board
[12:10:05] <bigIdea> automation technologies gave me a nice wiring diagram to work with to make sure I had it wired correctly
[12:10:18] <gloops> hmm
[12:11:31] <gloops> first thing - dont worry, its going to work perfectly
[12:12:12] <gloops> i think you need to ascertain whats happening with the signal, how far along the route to the drivers its getting
[12:12:12] <bigIdea> ha
[12:12:38] <bigIdea> well, how do I do that?
[12:12:47] <gloops> multimeter to hand?
[12:13:05] <bigIdea> yep I got one of them
[12:14:20] <gloops> so if you take the x axis, you could test the step/dir pins on the breakout board, when you jog the x axis, you should be seeing some variation
[12:14:35] <gloops> 0-5v
[12:16:41] <gloops> (an expert will probably come to your assistance soon lol)
[12:17:33] <bigIdea> yep, I am getting it coming from the step/dir pin on the x axis, the multimeter shows almost a wave from zero to 4.7v
[12:17:49] <bigIdea> this is from the breakout board
[12:18:00] <bigIdea> so it is getting that far
[12:18:20] <gloops> oh..
[12:18:34] <gloops> thats good then
[12:19:17] <gloops> so just th line to the drivers - and the correct pins wired on BOB and driver
[12:20:37] <bigIdea> well the x-axis driver is showing the same wave/voltage difference on the driver pins,
[12:21:19] <gloops> driver lit up?
[12:21:42] <gloops> this is beginning to look like step settings maybe
[12:21:50] <gloops> or scale
[12:22:00] <bigIdea> these drivers do have a ena+ and a ena- pins that the diagram did not show any wire coming to it. The drivers have a power led that is lit up
[12:22:26] <pfred1> setup timings?
[12:22:50] <pfred1> I think LinuxCNC defaults to a pretty big timing though?
[12:22:56] <gloops> yeah you can often get away with not connecting the enb
[12:23:12] <pfred1> well enable can be high or low
[12:23:40] <pfred1> usually unconnected it just enabled
[12:23:52] <gloops> do the drivers have dipswitches - you got those set right?
[12:24:01] <bigIdea> yeah that is what i just read in the manual
[12:24:22] <pfred1> what drive do you have?
[12:25:01] <pfred1> what step sequence are you using?
[12:25:48] <bigIdea> i set them to 2 miscrosteps then set the same in stepconfig, they are kl-5056 drivers from automationtechnologies
[12:26:00] <pfred1> half stepping?
[12:26:03] <gloops> (stepconfig asked for step settings or microsteps or something - the dipswitches on the driver need to correspond with what you put in stepconfig)
[12:26:05] <pfred1> that's a good sequence
[12:26:18] <gloops> ok
[12:26:40] * gloops tries to remember what happens in stepconfig
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[12:27:20] <pfred1> yeah it's been a while
[12:28:01] <bigIdea> Currently they are set at 1.4amp the stepper are on my desk at the moment so there would be no load on them
[12:28:10] <pfred1> I kind of remember having to run a script to get RTAI up and running initially
[12:28:38] <bigIdea> what is rtai ?
[12:28:44] <gloops> well if the signal is getting to the drivers linuxcnc must be working
[12:28:52] <pfred1> that's the real time extensions LinuxCNC uses
[12:29:00] <pfred1> think of it as drivers
[12:29:11] <gloops> this can happen with scale settings, if the scale is so small it doesnt register any movement
[12:29:15] <pfred1> it is what makes the step and direction signals
[12:29:52] <gloops> youre using 5mm pitch ballscrews bigidea?
[12:29:58] <Tom_L> bigIdea is the parallel cable a true parallel cable?
[12:30:05] <pfred1> I htink he's bench testing the motors right now
[12:30:10] <pfred1> just wants them to spin
[12:30:10] <jthornton> if something requires enabling IIRC stepconf test this axis does not do any enabling
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[12:30:47] <bigIdea> yep it is a true parallel cable I am just using the stock leadscrews setting at the moment that are in stepconfig
[12:30:57] <gloops> the motors sound find theyre powering up
[12:31:01] <gloops> fine
[12:31:41] <jthornton> he could use the parallel port tester to send out one pulse at a time http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[12:31:45] <bigIdea> yep, they lock up, and I have to cut power after a while because they stat to get toasty, I just cant get them to move
[12:31:59] <jthornton> hot steppers is normal
[12:32:08] <pfred1> to a point
[12:32:16] <fragalot> warm steppers are normal
[12:32:18] <bigIdea> I already tried it, the parallel port works fine with that
[12:32:21] <fragalot> hot steppers aren't
[12:32:39] <fragalot> once you start smelling resin, it's too warm :-)
[12:32:39] <pfred1> yeah if they'r really hot that means current on the drives is too high but they should still run
[12:33:05] <gloops> he is getting signal from breakout board to drivers
[12:33:12] <gloops> or so it appears
[12:33:18] <pfred1> how can you tell?
[12:33:31] <jthornton> those drives look similar to mine and mine need an enable
[12:33:31] <gloops> he tested it - 0-5v fluctations
[12:33:54] <bigIdea> isnt when the steppers lockup when they is using the most power? therefore the most heat?
[12:34:00] <gloops> got to eliminate the enable wiring then
[12:34:03] <Tom_L> yes
[12:34:26] <pfred1> bigIdea yes but you still have to have the current set right
[12:34:37] <pfred1> not an issue now
[12:34:43] <bigIdea> 1.4A
[12:34:48] <Tom_L> the drivers usually have a current limit on them
[12:34:59] <pfred1> you check that with a meter?
[12:35:01] <gloops> bigidea there should be a dipswitch to cut current to half when motors are idling - if youre concerned with the temps
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[12:35:31] <gloops> so long as you can keep your hand on them they will be ok
[12:35:37] <jthornton> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[12:35:52] <jthornton> that clearly shows a jumper from 5v to Enbl
[12:35:54] <gloops> look at what jthornton is saying
[12:36:23] <gloops> and ! DO NOT change the dipswitches with the drivers powered up
[12:36:38] <bigIdea> roger that
[12:36:42] <pfred1> jthornton that's not a link to a real pdf file
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[12:37:05] <Stephanisk> Hello
[12:37:11] <Stephanisk> I was wondering if anyone is present with good knowledge of camworks and the postprocessor for it for a 4 axis machine. I have a few questions on the simulator that I don't seem to be able to solve [14:43] <Stephanisk> Actually anyone that knows how to create posts would be great to meet. [14:43] <Stephanisk> I set it as my most important goal, the knowledge to create postprocessors
[12:37:13] <pfred1> file ALLDriver.pdf ALLDriver.pdf: HTML document, ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
[12:37:17] <jthornton> it's from their webpage
[12:37:54] <bigIdea> If you are talking about the jumper next to incoming power to the bob then I have on in there
[12:38:09] <pfred1> weird my browser could download it but wget couldn't
[12:39:11] <pfred1> looks like they're saying enable needs a positive input
[12:39:26] <pfred1> that's pretty crappy
[12:40:38] <Tom_L> why are the driver enables not wired?
[12:40:49] <pfred1> nah I'm looking at the BOB
[12:40:55] <pfred1> drives need no enable
[12:40:56] <Tom_L> me too
[12:41:13] <bigIdea> i have one on the bob
[12:41:17] <pfred1> he using their BOB?
[12:41:26] <gloops> jthornton says his drives are similar and they need ena connecting
[12:41:32] <Tom_L> said he was
[12:41:43] <pfred1> drives in this diagram have no enable wired up
[12:41:44] <bigIdea> yep a c-10 bob with kl-5056 drivers
[12:42:20] <Tom_L> i personally would try wiring Enb+ to +5v thru a 10k resistor
[12:42:33] <Tom_L> on the driver itself
[12:42:40] <pfred1> what is Pul+ & -?
[12:42:53] <pfred1> ah step
[12:42:57] <gloops> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[12:43:06] <bigIdea> the other wiring diagrams didnt show and wires to enb+ or enb- on the drivers, and the manual for these drivers says that disconnected is normaly enabled
[12:43:24] <Stephanisk> Hi guys. You are all very proficient in the rewiring and retrofitting using linuxcnc but how are you dealing with the postprocessors for more than 3 axis?
[12:43:28] <pfred1> bigIdea that's how it is supposed to be drives should just drive
[12:43:53] <gloops> they look like pretty typical DM type drivers
[12:45:15] <pfred1> that's interesting Pul+ goes to ground
[12:45:30] <pfred1> you'd think it'd be -
[12:45:36] <gloops> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[12:45:44] <bigIdea> and dir+ goes to ground
[12:45:53] <pfred1> is that right? or is it a typo?
[12:46:01] <Tom_L> that just sounds wrong to me
[12:46:06] <pfred1> doesn't it?
[12:46:19] <gloops> yeah that doesnt sound +
[12:46:21] <pfred1> the wire is even red on the diagram
[12:46:38] <gloops> power them off before changing
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[12:46:48] <fragalot> miss0r: at some point This Old Tony is going to have to run out of jokes, because this is getting ridiculous :D
[12:46:52] <pfred1> yes never ever change wires on your drives with any power on them
[12:46:56] <gloops> dont mess with powered up drivers - ive lost a few like that
[12:47:19] <pfred1> though usually that just applies to coil wires
[12:47:39] <pfred1> still make sure the system is dead with no charge before moving wires on your drives
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[12:48:15] <bigIdea> you think I should switch ground and direction wires and try that?
[12:48:28] <pfred1> that's a tough call
[12:48:40] <pfred1> you can see if there's any current on the control line
[12:48:43] <Tom_L> if you did i would put a resistor on it first
[12:48:44] <gloops> Stephanisk there arent many using 4 axis in here i dont think
[12:48:51] <pfred1> those wires go to LEDs in top optocouplers
[12:48:57] <Tom_L> that will lessen any damage that could occur
[12:49:00] <pfred1> in the optocouplers even
[12:49:00] <bigIdea> chance I fry my driver?
[12:49:13] <pfred1> a reversed biased LED just shouldn't work
[12:49:30] <pfred1> up to it's break down voltage
[12:49:47] <bigIdea> i only have power and a alarm led
[12:49:54] <bigIdea> on the drivers
[12:49:56] <pfred1> you can't see these LEDs
[12:50:03] <pfred1> they're encapsulated
[12:50:06] <Stephanisk_> Hi gloopa
[12:50:09] <Stephanisk_> Gloops
[12:50:19] <gloops> hi
[12:50:20] <pfred1> look up what an optocoupler is
[12:50:33] <pfred1> that's what's on your step and dir lines
[12:50:53] <pfred1> the + and - are just the input side of the opto
[12:50:55] <Stephanisk_> Really so little people using rotary axis
[12:51:12] <pfred1> polarity matters too
[12:51:19] <gloops> there are some, cant think who right now
[12:51:22] <Tom_L> the few i know that do, manually program them
[12:51:23] <pfred1> you can just diode check them
[12:51:26] <fragalot> Stephanisk_: so little people dealing with postprocessors :-)
[12:51:38] <Tom_L> archivist, andy for a couple
[12:51:46] <Stephanisk_> It's been something for 2 years now bothering me that I cant simple create a machine and get working gcode out of the cam
[12:51:50] <pfred1> do you have a multimeter with a diode check function?
[12:52:11] <Tom_L> what cam is it?
[12:52:14] <Stephanisk_> And the info is also sooooo limited.
[12:52:18] <pfred1> there's no way they can release a product with the polarity printed wrong on it
[12:52:37] <Tom_L> pfred1 this is china we're talking about
[12:52:50] <gloops> its probably marked right, the diagram looks wrong
[12:52:59] <gloops> whoever put + to ground
[12:53:00] <pfred1> Tom_L come on + &- means the same hting the world over
[12:53:00] <Stephanisk_> I have learned solidcam, Mastercam,.... Right now I have set my thoughts on camworks as solidworks choose them to integrate them directly
[12:53:35] <gloops> is this indexing or simultaneous 4 axis?
[12:53:36] <Stephanisk_> And they seem to have a universal post generator and a separate virtual machine progrsm
[12:53:36] <pfred1> gloops that is what I was thinking
[12:53:47] <Stephanisk_> Lol .. gloops I need both
[12:54:02] <pfred1> com going to the anode of an LED ain't gonna do squat
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[12:54:39] <Tom_itx> Stephanisk_, have you tried here: https://camworks.com
[12:54:45] <bigIdea> so since it is optocoupler isolated like it says in the manual, switching the wires (with it powered off), if it is wrong polarity is should still protect the drivers especially with the low voltages the parallel port is using
[12:54:59] <Stephanisk_> The fact is I have several things working on. I have an unusual machine. Gantry with rotary on spindle and rotary on table both in y durection
[12:55:09] <pfred1> bigIdea if what we're thinking is right it is the wrong polarity now
[12:55:27] <pfred1> so reversing it should only make htings better
[12:55:31] <bigIdea> ok I'll try it, hold on
[12:55:38] <Tom_L> just try one
[12:55:54] <pfred1> it shouldn't hurt to reverse bias an LED at 5V
[12:55:54] <Stephanisk_> Well to be honest at the prices they are asking I firstly want to know if there enormously expensive program is really that good and there forum is only accessible after product purchaesr
[12:55:58] <pfred1> it just won't light
[12:56:23] <pfred1> plus they have input current limiting resistors on the board
[12:56:38] <Tom_L> Stephanisk_ go with mastercam. it's the industry choice around here right now
[12:56:54] <Tom_L> and i know it's 4 axis cam works, they use it at the Vo-tech here
[12:56:57] <miss0r> 'evening
[12:56:59] <Stephanisk_> It's so sad that a machine and controller can be best in the world without a postprocessor the whole thing is useless
[12:57:14] <fragalot> evenin' miss0r
[12:57:26] <pfred1> CAM is a sticking point in CNC
[12:57:32] <fragalot> miss0r: I believe the reason your GLS package hasn't left yet is because I put it there on friday evening, and GLS doesn't work on weekends :P
[12:57:47] <miss0r> fragalot: ofc. they dont.. lazy bastards
[12:57:56] <Stephanisk_> Mastercam can do it all, absolute true, I started in it but again postprocessors was issue to create so I went to camworks
[12:57:59] <pfred1> how dare they take a day off!
[12:58:00] <bigIdea> YESSSSSS ! it works thanks that was it
[12:58:01] <Tom_L> i use smartcam but my ver doesn't support rotary, just index
[12:58:14] <pfred1> bigIdea yeah that diagram is crap
[12:58:16] <Stephanisk_> I found a 5 axis post on linuxcnc forum for camworks
[12:58:23] <fragalot> miss0r: so it's been handed over to GLS today
[12:58:26] <Stephanisk_> Mailed the creator but haven't heard anything
[12:58:39] <miss0r> Stephanisk_: mastercam post processors are quite easy, imo. I wrote one myself with no prior experience with it
[12:58:54] <bigIdea> not just that diagram but everyone they had on that driver
[12:58:57] <Stephanisk_> Tested it and immediately ran into issues with g41 and g42 although I believe can be resolved
[12:59:14] <Stephanisk_> Hi miss0r. Seriously you wrote one?
[12:59:23] <miss0r> fragalot: Those lazy bastards.. Aren't they aware I am looking forward to receiving that package?!
[12:59:25] <gloops> np bigIdea
[12:59:25] <Stephanisk_> But for 3 axis or 4-5 axis?
[12:59:28] <gloops> lol!
[12:59:30] <pfred1> bigIdea you learned a bit about your drives though
[12:59:39] <miss0r> Stephanisk_: for a three axis, though.
[13:00:04] <miss0r> but I don't see why it would be much harder for a 4 or 5 axis. That part is handled by the cam, not the post processor
[13:00:05] <Stephanisk_> The 3 axis doesn't scare me its the rest and the virtual machine building
[13:00:16] <pfred1> if it weren't for screw ups I wouldn't know much myself
[13:00:29] <Tom_L> i wrote my smartcam post for linuxcnc but it's pretty old
[13:00:40] <miss0r> pfred1: So you just jump in head first, like me? :)
[13:00:46] <fragalot> miss0r: I was right abt the list price thing btw for tapmatic, nut + collets came down to €200
[13:00:47] <Stephanisk_> Yes but somehow you need to explain the cam what your machine looks like
[13:00:51] <pfred1> miss0r for sure
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[13:01:16] <_unreal_> Got to love hacking :) https://www.cnczone.com
[13:01:26] <miss0r> Stephanisk_: Sure. but in mastercam that is not done with the post processor. That is done with the machine definition. And that part has a nice GUI for setup
[13:01:33] <pfred1> USB is garbage
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[13:02:08] <Stephanisk> Just got c
[13:02:10] <miss0r> fragalot: Damn. I think you are better off machining one yourself, and just buying the collets second hand on on ebay
[13:02:11] <Stephanisk> Kicked of
[13:02:14] <miss0r> Stephanisk_: Sure. but in mastercam that is not done with the post processor. That is done with the machine definition. And that part has a nice GUI for setup
[13:02:34] <bigIdea> I certainly learned a lot about my electronics. Thanks guys for the help.
[13:02:49] <pfred1> bigIdea I made all my electronics on my first machine
[13:02:55] <Stephanisk> Have been messing with that for a while already
[13:03:04] <_unreal_> So at this point it looks like I'll be building my own enclosure for my asus tinker board
[13:03:07] <fragalot> miss0r: according to Syyl the nut needs an eccentric ring, and without an example or reference drawing available.. I'm not sure if that's something I want to do 4 times before I get it right :D
[13:03:10] <pfred1> bigIdea like the drives the BOB all of it
[13:03:13] <miss0r> fragalot: About this old tony.. he will never run out :)
[13:03:19] <_unreal_> going to make a BASIC mold and build it from fiberglass
[13:03:25] <Stephanisk> Would just be so great if there was one YouTube video explaining the whole thing for a 5 axis from start to finish
[13:03:41] <pfred1> bigIdea so I know more about that than I want to
[13:04:00] <_unreal_> I'm going to copy this design idea only for the much larger 7" display I have https://cdn.shopify.com
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[13:05:23] <Stephanisk> Does anyone know of someone who would have in Mastercam the knowledge of 5 axis machines. Cause I actually need it cause I am building several robots
[13:05:38] <miss0r> fragalot: the nut on this model 1A does not have an excentric nut
[13:05:47] <pfred1> you need deep pockets for 5 axis CAM
[13:05:50] <fragalot> miss0r: might be because it's too small?
[13:05:53] <Stephanisk> Robots for milling
[13:06:14] <miss0r> fragalot: Sure, but why wouldn't that work with larger one as well? perhaps not ideal, but it would work I think
[13:06:26] <Stephanisk> Yes pfred1 I know, so I need to be sure the ***thing works before investing
[13:06:28] <miss0r> Stephanisk: That sounds pretty complicated to program :)
[13:06:46] <pfred1> Stephanisk for what they charge I'm sure it works
[13:06:49] <Stephanisk> Welcome to my nightmare for the past year. And now I finally started it
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[13:07:25] <Tom_itx> Stephanisk, https://www.youtube.com
[13:07:29] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com
[13:07:30] <Stephanisk> Except for works I need to be able to change it myself constantly, I don't want a postprocessors written by someone and than be stuck when I change thing's
[13:07:41] <miss0r> fragalot: The only thing to mention about this collet nut, it that theres a free spinning washer inside the top, so the collet is not forced to rotate when you tighten it
[13:07:41] <fragalot> miss0r: ever tried to get an ER collet out without the excentric? :P
[13:07:55] <fragalot> yea.. I'mma just buy one
[13:07:57] <fragalot> :P
[13:07:59] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com
[13:08:15] <fragalot> because i'd want to use a needle thrust bearing for that
[13:08:26] <fragalot> and pay probably the same amt in shipping in total anyway
[13:08:31] <miss0r> fragalot: so, how much will you be saving buying the complete package original? (compared to just getting a new one)
[13:08:45] <fragalot> new is still €1000 for the 50x I believe
[13:08:55] <miss0r> alright. So still cheap.
[13:08:55] <fragalot> so.. still below 30%? :P
[13:09:05] <Stephanisk> Thanks Tom, I just saved the vids I will look in about an hour, it's dinner time here
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[13:09:13] <fragalot> miss0r: I forgot to ask.. what taper does it use?
[13:09:19] <Tom_L> looks like there are more too
[13:09:31] <miss0r> I was looking around for the parts missing from these the other day. I didn't find'em anywhere (at the client). I don't think I will ever find them, to be honnest. Chances are slim at best
[13:09:45] <miss0r> the 'machine' end of it?
[13:09:55] <fragalot> miss0r: yes
[13:10:04] <miss0r> its a one peice with an R8 in the end
[13:10:15] <miss0r> (joking :D HAHAHAHA)
[13:10:18] <gregcnc> tapmatic?
[13:10:20] <miss0r> MK3 I believe
[13:10:28] <miss0r> gregcnc: yeah
[13:10:35] <fragalot> I think I might actually have an ISO30->R8 adapter in with the schaublin bits
[13:10:37] <fragalot> :P
[13:10:53] <fragalot> but I doubt I have the Z height to use it anyway, lol
[13:11:23] <miss0r> I am not 100% sure, as I cant measure it now that I have already shipped it, but I seem to recall it was the same size as on the 1A, and that is a MK3
[13:11:41] <fragalot> i've got an MK3 adapter too, so yay
[13:11:54] <miss0r> fragalot: have you heard from that danish linear measuring company yet?
[13:12:03] <gregcnc> usually there is a taper in the head and you can just change it
[13:12:05] <fragalot> no, I ordered the machine-dro one after they fixed their site
[13:12:11] <fragalot> y'know, the vintage looking one
[13:12:29] <miss0r> Indeed. What did you find for the actual linear scales?
[13:12:43] <fragalot> 5µ magnetics
[13:12:54] <fragalot> one standard size for Y, and 2 compacts for X and Z
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[13:13:35] <fragalot> they didn't have 1µ in compact size
[13:13:45] <fragalot> and in hindsight that's probably a good thing because it would drive me mad
[13:13:56] <miss0r> it absolutly would :D
[13:13:59] <fragalot> :D
[13:14:03] <miss0r> WTF IS ALL THIS JITTER ?!
[13:14:39] <fragalot> pfft, that schaublin is so stable it wouldn't do that
[13:14:45] <fragalot> unless if you touched it
[13:14:49] <fragalot> or ran another machine nearby
[13:14:51] <fragalot> :D
[13:15:01] <miss0r> or someone farted in shanghai
[13:15:23] <Stephanisk> Does anyone know the user on the forum robh: Robert Harpham
[13:15:32] <miss0r> Looking forward to seeing how beefy you are going to make the mounts
[13:15:54] <fragalot> miss0r: solid billet :D
[13:16:00] <miss0r> hehe
[13:16:24] <miss0r> I've seen way too many issues caused by flimsy reading head mounts
[13:16:46] <fragalot> so no gorillapod mount?
[13:16:47] <miss0r> Especially on glass scales, where the rubber lib causes a minute amount of drag...
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[13:17:31] <miss0r> Whatever floats yer' boat :D
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[13:17:59] <fragalot> alright. locline it is
[13:18:07] <fragalot> speaking of which, I need to get smoe
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[13:18:14] <miss0r> But keep this in mind: if you do, I *will* look for find you, I *will* find you and I will laugh my ass off in your face :D
[13:18:29] <fragalot> miss0r: that's just more incentive to do it
[13:19:06] <Stephanisk> It seems like no one active today knows robh :) I would really love to have a chat with him
[13:19:41] <miss0r> fragalot: I will laugh 'bender' style :)
[13:19:52] <miss0r> Stephanisk: Stick around for a few days. People come'n go all the time
[13:20:00] <fragalot> miss0r: bender or flexo?
[13:20:21] <miss0r> fragalot: If those two had a freak of a baby.. that laugh
[13:21:26] <miss0r> I need to go tuck the little one in. Perhaps i shall be back later with more corny cartoon refrences & nonessential comments.
[13:21:28] <miss0r> cya
[13:21:43] <Stephanisk> Cya
[13:22:13] <Stephanisk> Thanks for all info so far
[13:23:26] <_unreal_> lot of jitter in the work piece?
[13:23:54] <fragalot> _unreal_: no in the read-out
[13:24:07] <fragalot> where it can't decide if it's 0.001 or 0.002mm
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[13:24:15] <fragalot> so it would keep flipping between the 2
[13:31:20] <_unreal_> ? never had an issue like that before
[13:31:25] <_unreal_> huh
[13:31:47] <fragalot> do you have a manual machine with a 1µm digital read-out on it?
[13:33:21] <_unreal_> no
[13:35:20] <fragalot> then that is why you have never had that issue
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[13:44:24] <pfred1> I use freedom units!
[13:46:28] <flyback> Super-Synchronous" motor.
[13:46:34] <flyback> BMCC
[13:46:43] <flyback> BITE MY "CANUCK"...........................CANUCK!
[13:47:09] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
[13:51:01] <gloops> https://www.thesun.co.uk
[13:51:55] <fragalot> VW won't be the only one
[13:52:16] <fragalot> the new standards are incredibly strict
[13:52:58] <gloops> not looking so good for VW
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[14:10:23] <_unreal_> interesting. that post that I just published on cnczone seems to be a hot topic heheh. and no one ever posted about it before.
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[14:44:53] <Stephanisk> Hello
[14:45:13] <Stephanisk> I saw rob_h came online earlier, any chance he is still around
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[14:46:42] <fragalot> he's not said anything as far as I'm aware
[14:47:30] <Stephanisk> How could I ping him or something?
[14:48:20] <fragalot> mentioning his name should raise a little flag on his end, or you could message him using "/msg rob_h ....."
[14:49:15] <Stephanisk> Thx, let me do that from a pc instead of my phone
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[14:52:30] <ziper> can you file carbon fiber?
[14:52:42] <fragalot> sure
[14:52:51] <fragalot> try to avoid breathing it
[14:54:39] <ziper> it doesn't load up the file like other plastics?
[14:55:17] <fragalot> it does a bit, but nothing a file card or some chalk doesn't fix
[14:55:51] <Stephanisk_> thx fragalot, i send a message to rob_h
[14:56:06] <Stephanisk_> hopefully he sees it :)
[14:56:09] <fragalot> Stephanisk_: Good luck :-)
[14:58:48] <_unreal_> ziper, I can answer any FRP question you have
[14:59:22] <_unreal_> ziper, you live?
[14:59:34] <ziper> _unreal_, how do I calculate the required laminate skin thickness for a given core and load?
[14:59:47] <ziper> united states
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[14:59:52] <_unreal_> ok
[15:00:09] <_unreal_> I need a lot more detail because that in terms of force is very braud
[15:00:35] <_unreal_> how big is the lamination area? what is the load requirement
[15:00:47] <_unreal_> What FRP materials are you using?
[15:01:00] <_unreal_> What resin type are you using, HOW think is your core. what kind of core
[15:01:08] <_unreal_> :)
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[15:02:23] <_unreal_> and I noticed you mentioned carbon fiber... FYI carbon fiber is the worst to get on you... fiberglass powder is like baby power compaired to carbon fiber dust..... gloves, dust mask, long sleeves, vacuum, or FAN blowing away (AKA SUCKING)
[15:02:35] <_unreal_> ziper, fill in those questions and I can get you a good answer.....
[15:02:52] <_unreal_> there are equasions but its really dependent on a lot of factors.
[15:03:01] <_unreal_> and thats not even including vacuum bagging or infusion
[15:03:07] <_unreal_> ziper, ?
[15:03:13] <ziper> typing
[15:03:25] <_unreal_> you should see me type fst
[15:03:26] <_unreal_> fast
[15:03:29] <_unreal_> :)
[15:04:50] <ziper> the part being sat on -- imagine it is a solid panel. There is some bracing, lets ignore it. its only has to hold the weight of a person plus shock loading http://www.internationalmoth.co.uk
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[15:05:05] <pfred1> _unreal_ rockwool is the worst thing to get on you
[15:05:53] <ziper> weight is critical, but the part is rather small, so carbon can be afforded
[15:06:27] <ziper> epoxy resin, of course. PVC foam core. ~100psi shear strength
[15:06:42] <_unreal_> is this for a moth?
[15:06:46] <ziper> yes
[15:06:56] <_unreal_> I'm IN the marine industry
[15:07:23] <_unreal_> ok so first FYI.... dont bother building any thing for a moth wetlay unless you can VAC bag it
[15:07:33] <ziper> of course
[15:07:37] <_unreal_> can you
[15:07:37] <ziper> I can bag
[15:07:40] <_unreal_> ok good
[15:07:58] <_unreal_> What is your pot life for the resin?
[15:08:10] <_unreal_> working time
[15:08:19] <ziper> half an hour for the slow stuff
[15:08:25] <_unreal_> ok...
[15:08:38] <_unreal_> so you want to rebuild the wing in the moth?
[15:09:26] <ziper> yes, with a roughly teardrop shaped cross section, with the extra bulk at the front helping with flotation and aero drag
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[15:09:59] <_unreal_> ok... do you have material on hand?
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[15:10:31] <ziper> no
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[15:10:44] <_unreal_> So building this is interesting
[15:11:18] <_unreal_> judging from the photo its prob 4-6 lays of 18oz carbon xm
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[15:11:58] <_unreal_> xm and CM style, thats 45x45 and 0x90 material weaves...
[15:12:18] <ziper> but on a tube, I don't want to deal with that
[15:12:18] <_unreal_> I would finish it with a 4oz boat cloth
[15:12:25] <_unreal_> ?
[15:12:41] <ziper> that one is trampoline over tube frame
[15:12:52] <_unreal_> do you have a photo of YOURS
[15:12:54] <ziper> and only weighs like 5-10 lbs
[15:12:58] <ziper> I will render, wait
[15:13:54] <_unreal_> ziper, https://drive.google.com
[15:13:57] <_unreal_> Thats my sailboat that I built
[15:14:06] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com
[15:14:33] <_unreal_> My new tiller arm as well https://drive.google.com
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[15:16:35] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com
[15:16:45] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com
[15:16:52] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com
[15:16:54] <_unreal_> :)
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[15:18:01] <_unreal_> ?
[15:19:14] * _unreal_ is getting a cocktail
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[15:25:05] <ziper> _unreal_, http://puu.sh
[15:25:44] <_unreal_> figures before I got to get to the cocktail my daughter said "I'm hungry" sigh....
[15:26:08] <_unreal_> So you want to make the entire seat/wing in FRP?
[15:26:59] <ziper> yes
[15:27:05] <_unreal_> That would be heavy
[15:27:15] <_unreal_> even over PVC.....
[15:28:21] <_unreal_> just doing the estimations in my head. That would be 20+ lbs in resin
[15:28:44] <ziper> the core only weighs 5lbs
[15:28:46] <_unreal_> and I would NOT use PVC board
[15:29:28] <_unreal_> are you sure its not FOAM board.
[15:29:39] <_unreal_> What thickness?
[15:29:42] <ziper> it is, PVC foam. divinycell
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[15:29:51] <ziper> 3/4 inch
[15:29:55] <ziper> might not be enough
[15:30:05] <gloops> that looks like a canoe with wings
[15:30:27] <ziper> I might just make a 1 inch strip, load test it, and then multiply that by the ~40 inch width it would be finished
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[15:46:12] <_unreal_> ziper, ya most moth's dont use a SOLID seat/wing...
[15:47:43] <_unreal_> infact I've never seen one like that. ether they use a FRAMED wing seat OR a trampoline style. I prefer the trampoline..... there is NO way to build a SOLID wing that is not a trampoline with out it being very heavy.... DONT even bother trying its not possible
[15:48:02] <_unreal_> most moths are produced from pre-preg lam anywyas
[15:48:18] <_unreal_> so trying to do a WETLAY is a joke
[15:48:41] <_unreal_> wetlay bag. infusion... doesnt matter...
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[16:01:44] <_unreal_> LOL now I understand
[16:01:58] <_unreal_> zipper PVC FAOM and divinycell are 2 totally different things
[16:02:17] <_unreal_> PVC foam board and divinycell foam board are totally different products
[16:02:27] <_unreal_> PVC faom board is STUPID heavy
[16:02:51] <_unreal_> you had me confused by saying pvc foam
[16:04:33] <_unreal_> ziper, google "pvc foam board and divinycell pvc foam"
[16:06:54] <_unreal_> both accurate but totally different materials..... divinycell will work but again. bridging glass over that you would have to meet a minimum psi which over a LARGE flat surface takes a lot of glass... hitting the water hard would be a magnitude greater force. shear and rotational etc... I'm not trying to be a DREAM killer but rather a voice of reason.
[16:08:01] <_unreal_> ziper, just a side note.... moths dont have much foam in them except in the main body. because fiberglass and foam CAN DELAM when under stress.. most of there construction is pure FRP under high vac pressures.
[16:10:21] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be
[16:10:33] <pink_vampire> no springs???
[16:11:23] <pink_vampire> he is using the quill for that
[16:11:53] <fragalot> if you have a quill stop his solution is fine
[16:12:05] <fragalot> (and if you can live with the reduced travel)
[16:12:19] <syyl> i wouldnt mind the lost travel so much
[16:12:28] <syyl> but the constant overhanging quill :D
[16:12:55] <syyl> oh, its just 6mm engagement
[16:12:58] <fragalot> I doubt it matters on his size machine :P
[16:13:06] <pink_vampire> plunge in to something... opps
[16:13:42] <syyl> http://gtwr.de
[16:13:50] <syyl> microscope makes everything look kinda buttugly ;)
[16:14:09] <fragalot> lol
[16:14:11] <pink_vampire> lol
[16:14:21] <fragalot> what did you make the square hole with?
[16:14:27] <fragalot> your diy wobble broach?
[16:14:30] <syyl> square peg in a square hole ;)
[16:14:36] <syyl> no, just a static broach
[16:14:58] <fragalot> obviously that is the better option given the through-hole >.>
[16:15:18] <syyl> my watchmakerfriend wants to broach 1x1 square holes into some gears - and i did that as a testpiece
[16:15:34] <syyl> the tool doesnt look much better
[16:15:35] <syyl> http://gtwr.de
[16:15:36] <syyl> ...
[16:16:00] <syyl> i hate microscopes ;)
[16:16:18] <fragalot> it helps if you use a cheap chinese one
[16:16:23] <fragalot> can't see the scratch marks in those
[16:16:24] <syyl> haha
[16:16:25] <syyl> :D
[16:16:58] <pink_vampire> what is the part size?
[16:17:17] <syyl> thats a piece of 4mm round - 2,5mm height
[16:17:49] <Stephanisk> anyone has seen rob_h active?
[16:18:05] <Tom_L> no
[16:18:29] <Tom_L> i don't think he's here that often
[16:18:46] <Stephanisk> nevermind he wrote me a message but i missed it :)
[16:19:25] <ziper> _unreal_, https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net
[16:19:51] <pink_vampire> syyl: what machine is that?
[16:20:02] <syyl> which one?
[16:20:29] <pink_vampire> ziper: interesting wheelbarrows
[16:20:44] <pink_vampire> syyl: the machine you make the part with
[16:20:51] <syyl> oh, on the lathe
[16:21:03] <syyl> predrill 1mm and push the broach trough
[16:21:31] <syyl> or do you mean the grinder i make the broach with?
[16:21:45] <fragalot> looks like you made it with a beaver rather than a grinder
[16:21:52] <fragalot> :D
[16:21:53] <syyl> haha
[16:22:08] <fragalot> are you enjoying the new tool in the shop then?
[16:22:13] <syyl> i dont have a fine cbn wheel :D
[16:22:16] <pink_vampire> i taught you micro mill it with a cnc
[16:22:29] * syyl runs to ebay, ordering a c40 cbn wheel
[16:22:36] <syyl> yes, fragalot
[16:22:54] <syyl> gives me a bunch of additional options
[16:23:39] <fragalot> I bet
[16:23:56] <fragalot> I was already surprised what I could accomplish when I got that single lip grinder
[16:24:06] <syyl> :)
[16:24:21] <syyl> to be fair, that broach could be ground on the dbit grinder without a problem :D
[16:24:29] <fragalot> :P
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[16:24:47] <syyl> http://gtwr.de
[16:25:17] <fragalot> did robrenz ever complete his rebuild of his single lip grinder "kit" ?
[16:25:17] <pink_vampire> i need better shop :(
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[16:25:29] <syyl> i think its done?
[16:25:42] <syyl> at least he uses it
[16:26:09] <fragalot> i couldn't remember if the video showed the end result or just his progress on it.. been a while
[16:26:16] <fragalot> but good god that man breathes precision :P
[16:26:25] <pfred1> pink_vampire you and me both
[16:26:34] <syyl> haha yes, fragalot
[16:26:49] <syyl> i think i will do the large-travel mod on my d-bit grinder too
[16:26:49] <pink_vampire> pfred1: hellooo
[16:26:51] <Rab> syyl, regardless of the test piece's finish, the broached hole looks good.
[16:26:56] <Rab> What material is that?
[16:27:03] <syyl> thanks ;)
[16:27:07] <syyl> sandvik ap20
[16:27:15] <syyl> some freecutting watchmakers steel (?)
[16:27:21] <pfred1> that's one tiny broach
[16:27:23] <syyl> got a piece supplied for testing
[16:27:43] <Rab> So your friend will be using the same material?
[16:27:48] <syyl> yes
[16:27:58] <syyl> http://www.matweb.com
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[16:52:14] <_unreal_> ziper, nice craft but what is the weight
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[16:57:10] <Deejay> gn8
[16:57:15] <pink_vampire> ?
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[17:08:49] <_unreal_> ziper, if you want to build it like that... the FLAT bed areas I would suggest some kind of a core like soric 4mm. and do a layup schedual of boat cloth, 2-3 12oz carbon, 12oz xm eglass, SORIC 4MM, 12oz xm eglass, 2-3 12oz carbon, and a boat cloth.
[17:10:28] <_unreal_> ziper, ?
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[17:37:03] <gregcnc> log
[17:37:04] <c-log> gregcnc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[17:57:54] <gloops> slow chat day
[17:58:28] <pink_vampire> i'm not next to the computer
[17:58:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.chemistryworld.com
[17:59:08] <CaptHindsight> http://advances.sciencemag.org
[17:59:34] <CaptHindsight> Labor Day in the USA
[17:59:52] <CaptHindsight> celebration of all labor
[18:00:08] <gloops> thats like a coal washer
[18:00:12] <_unreal_> I feel so bad for my daughter. ALLLL weekend she's been stuck inside do to the @#$#!@$ rain
[18:01:05] <CaptHindsight> we had a tornado a few miles north pass by
[18:01:17] <_unreal_> nifty
[18:01:26] <gloops> buy her an umbrella unreal
[18:01:33] <_unreal_> ya south florida we get them all the time..
[18:01:48] <_unreal_> she has one but doesnt do any good when there is lighting as well
[18:02:05] <_unreal_> poor thing has been vegging on her tablet
[18:02:18] <gloops> oh plenty to do inside as well
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[18:02:46] <gloops> we brits spend most of our holidays playing dominos or other pointless games, reading books and so on
[18:02:48] <_unreal_> so I've got my basic design ready for moutning hardware in my mains box
[18:03:10] <_unreal_> we americans we spend.... well maybe we wont get into that
[18:03:16] <_unreal_> :)
[18:03:45] <gloops> this year the weather has been decidedly un-British
[18:03:51] <_unreal_> ?
[18:03:58] <_unreal_> dreary or sunny
[18:04:11] <gloops> almost unbroken sun/heat since april
[18:04:17] <_unreal_> wow
[18:04:30] <gloops> its the best summer ive ever known
[18:04:51] <_unreal_> as far as I knew brit.. is much like where I grew up, New England (maine/usa)
[18:04:58] <Wolf__> the mid Atlantic region of the US east coast has been stealing all of the brits rain
[18:05:18] <_unreal_> the old saying for maine is 3-5 days rain good old maine
[18:06:33] <_unreal_> gloops, Maine is the ASS end of the US weather pattern. maine gets the weather coming up the coast. and the weather coming across canada. and they wave back and forth dumping rain on maine all the time
[18:06:40] <gloops> seems the jet stream got stuck below us for once
[18:06:49] <_unreal_> I've seen multi years where there was 2 months in the spring of rain. no letup
[18:07:01] <_unreal_> heh
[18:07:05] <gloops> can get depressing unreal
[18:07:20] <_unreal_> hence I left and now live in sunny south florida
[18:07:25] <_unreal_> err semi sunny?
[18:07:28] <gloops> everything turns to mud
[18:07:34] <Wolf__> maryland and pa have been having flooding every other week
[18:07:35] <_unreal_> ! tell me about it
[18:07:48] <_unreal_> mod
[18:07:49] <_unreal_> mud
[18:07:55] <gloops> we've got drought here
[18:08:25] <_unreal_> as long as I can keep getting my cheap french wine I'm good :)
[18:09:24] <_unreal_> Bugger. I need to find a FAN and a grill for the fan for the size hole I cut in the cnc control box I started bilding like 7 years ago
[18:09:28] <_unreal_> OMG has it been so long
[18:09:44] <_unreal_> no... longer
[18:09:58] <_unreal_> omg I got that box in 04
[18:10:11] <Wolf__> lol
[18:11:06] <CaptHindsight> looks like our last 80F + day is tomorrow (>25C)
[18:11:45] <CaptHindsight> looking forward to fall weather
[18:12:09] <_unreal_> fall BLAAAAAAAA
[18:12:18] <_unreal_> I left maine mainly because I was so tired of winter
[18:12:57] <gloops> i like the seasons, i mean i like a nice sunny day yeah, but i like a bit of frost as well, and some colour in autumn
[18:13:26] <gloops> on average i think the UK has the best weather in the world
[18:13:55] <_unreal_> really I just dont like winter
[18:13:57] <CaptHindsight> my favorite queens as well
[18:14:07] <_unreal_> infact I hate winter and i hate being cold
[18:14:34] <CaptHindsight> I prefer <70F
[18:14:40] <_unreal_> maine would average 5 months at or below -4
[18:14:45] <gloops> there have been one or two of those CaptHindsight
[18:15:27] <_unreal_> just months apon months of bitter cold
[18:15:52] <_unreal_> upon
[18:16:10] <CaptHindsight> i don't mind >70F is the humidity is <40 %
[18:16:18] <pfred1> fortunately hardly anyone lives in Maine
[18:16:32] <_unreal_> ya because we all keep moving
[18:17:02] <pfred1> I remember the biggest city in Maine had a population of 57,000 the last time I was there
[18:17:16] <gloops> thats pretty small
[18:17:24] <pfred1> I was driving through there and this gu ythat looked like he escaped from ZZ Top was walking down the sidewalk
[18:17:30] <_unreal_> pfred1, portland or agusta
[18:17:37] <CaptHindsight> it's for those who want to be close to the border
[18:17:40] <pfred1> agusta
[18:17:46] <CaptHindsight> in case you really have to leave
[18:17:59] <gloops> probably a 7 days wonder pfred1, theyve all got those beards
[18:18:04] <_unreal_> augusta
[18:18:29] <pfred1> I used to camp out up in Maine a few times
[18:18:38] <gloops> thats another thing with america, you can be so far from the coast
[18:18:39] <_unreal_> I dont mind winter and SNOW but I want it on my terms
[18:18:40] <pfred1> up at the Allagash Wilderness Waterway
[18:19:05] <gloops> i bet a lot of americans have never seen the sea, and never will
[18:19:07] <pfred1> the lakes up there it is like you're at the beach
[18:19:12] <_unreal_> maine in the middle of the summer is to die for
[18:19:32] <_unreal_> but come winter. and everything closes, everything is dead and gray
[18:19:33] <pfred1> you can get breakers on the shore and everything
[18:20:02] <_unreal_> pfred1, yep
[18:20:02] <pfred1> Chamberlain lake is 23 miles long and the prevailing wind comes right down it
[18:20:22] <_unreal_> pfred1, I love "allagash white" damn good beer
[18:20:35] <_unreal_> cant get it down in FL
[18:20:38] <pfred1> there's a lot of fresh water up in Maine
[18:20:49] <pfred1> more than I ever seen anywhere else
[18:21:07] <_unreal_> you can only swim in them for 2 months then its BUR
[18:21:17] <_unreal_> even then its BUR
[18:21:28] <pfred1> one year i was up there the water was warm made it lousy for fishing
[18:22:20] <_unreal_> pfred1, do you still visit
[18:22:35] <pfred1> nah I'm a bit too old now for adventure
[18:22:39] <_unreal_> ?
[18:22:42] <_unreal_> baaaa
[18:22:47] <_unreal_> you should check out MDI
[18:22:54] <pfred1> MDI?
[18:23:08] <_unreal_> https://acadiamagic.com
[18:23:35] <pfred1> I never did the coast of Maine
[18:23:41] <pfred1> that's too touristy
[18:23:54] <pfred1> looks pretty though
[18:23:57] <_unreal_> dude
[18:23:59] <_unreal_> omg
[18:24:32] <_unreal_> the mountains on MDI are to die for. carriage path trails, hicking all kinds of stuff
[18:25:06] <pfred1> oh they got mountains where i used to go that one where light first hits you can see
[18:25:11] <pfred1> Kathaddan?
[18:25:26] <pfred1> it has a 5,000 foot knife edge
[18:25:33] <_unreal_> CADILLAC MOUNTAIN
[18:26:04] <_unreal_> MDI is in the TOP 20 in the usa for places to visit for the 4th of july
[18:26:07] <_unreal_> look it up
[18:26:44] <_unreal_> I'd take my sailboat out in frenchmens bay all the time
[18:26:45] <pfred1> here it is https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com
[18:26:59] <pfred1> see that pond in the distance?
[18:27:05] <pfred1> I capsized in there once
[18:27:12] <pfred1> that's Round Pond
[18:27:31] <_unreal_> oh ya round pond I have fam with a camp on that pond
[18:27:35] <pfred1> it's a mile in diameter
[18:27:47] <pfred1> a pond in upstate Maine
[18:28:13] <_unreal_> Those people are on knifes edge
[18:28:28] <pfred1> I think the knife is further up
[18:28:46] <pfred1> but it's like a 5,000 foot drop off on either side
[18:28:49] <_unreal_> palm to face...... general statement
[18:28:55] <_unreal_> I know the mnt.
[18:29:30] <_unreal_> katahdin
[18:29:56] <pfred1> yeah you can see that from the lakes I used to go to
[18:30:43] <_unreal_> did white water rafting near there
[18:30:50] <pfred1> the last time I was there was a half a lifetime ago
[18:31:01] <pfred1> yeah that river to the south is like class 3
[18:31:04] <_unreal_> whipper snapper
[18:31:25] <pfred1> I forget the name of it now
[18:31:34] <pfred1> they actually call it a river even
[18:31:41] <_unreal_> your going to end up wanting to go back now
[18:31:42] <pfred1> so you know it is miles wide
[18:31:54] <_unreal_> :)
[18:31:57] <XXCoder> good morning
[18:32:14] <_unreal_> morning........................?
[18:32:24] <_unreal_> 6:30pm here
[18:32:29] <pfred1> what are they supposed to say good?
[18:32:47] <_unreal_> ?
[18:33:03] <pfred1> it is always beer o'clock somewhere and morning too
[18:33:15] <skunkworks> I hate oil lines...
[18:33:16] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[18:33:16] <_unreal_> rum and coke here
[18:33:40] * skunkworks loves rum and coke.. But my favorite is brandy old fasion..
[18:33:44] <skunkworks> sweet
[18:33:51] <pfred1> skunkworks I use a dry lube it attracts less dust
[18:34:16] <_unreal_> pfred1, graphite?
[18:34:24] <pfred1> I had a lock here getting rough so I sprayed it up man i should have done that years ago
[18:34:36] <pfred1> stuff i use is PTFE I think it's white
[18:34:48] <pfred1> some PB Blaster stuff i get at home depot
[18:35:15] <pfred1> yeah I just looked at the can it's just called Dry Lube
[18:35:28] <pfred1> stuff is great though
[18:35:53] <pfred1> I got it for my CNC machine but i use it on lots of stuff
[18:35:59] <pfred1> drawers
[18:36:31] <_unreal_> do you use a dust collection system on your cnc?
[18:36:48] <_unreal_> my opinion its a waste of time NOT to
[18:36:50] <pfred1> no but that doesn't mean I shouldn't
[18:38:07] <_unreal_> I built a cyclone collector from a 5gal bucket for my mini dust collector. I also have filters for my vacuum.... when I get the new system setup it will have its own vacuum setup
[18:38:38] <pfred1> supposedly there's this collector that works better than a cyclone
[18:38:41] <gloops> i dont really get the current fascination with gin
[18:38:47] <gloops> especially flavoured gin
[18:39:01] <pfred1> I love gin and 7up
[18:39:09] <_unreal_> gloops, I've a bit of a gin and tonic guy
[18:39:18] <pfred1> a Tom Collins
[18:39:26] <gloops> a) gin is disgusting b) parma violet gin is diabolical
[18:39:29] <_unreal_> time for an other refill
[18:39:43] <_unreal_> parma violet?
[18:39:46] <_unreal_> never heard of that
[18:40:02] <_unreal_> gloops, you must be a vodka and beer guy
[18:40:15] <gloops> horrible flavouring they put in sweets
[18:40:18] <pfred1> I like whiskey and ale
[18:40:25] <gloops> well yes vodka is ok
[18:40:27] <gloops> and beer
[18:40:47] <_unreal_> some day I need to go to uk
[18:41:03] <gloops> beer if its near, brandy if its handy
[18:41:04] <pfred1> but I'm not above some rum and vodka occasionally
[18:41:08] <XXCoder> _unreal_: its 3 pm here lol
[18:41:16] <pfred1> I can't drink brandy
[18:41:26] <_unreal_> My xwifes name is brandy
[18:41:29] <pfred1> I had a bad experience with it once when I was young
[18:41:40] <_unreal_> btw her parents NAMED her after the stuff
[18:41:52] <pink_vampire> http://www.piclist.com Stepper Motor NEMA Sizes
[18:41:53] <gloops> you have to slay those old demons pfred1
[18:41:54] <pfred1> not that bad an experience
[18:42:11] <_unreal_> now :/ I'm full time single da da
[18:42:16] <pfred1> that brandy just about slayed me
[18:42:35] <pfred1> we were playing dimes and everyone ganged up on me
[18:42:47] <pfred1> I had 20 shots in 18 minutes
[18:42:52] <_unreal_> :)
[18:43:02] <gloops> steady on
[18:43:08] <pfred1> in hindsight I should have just gotten out of the game
[18:43:18] <_unreal_> when ever I'd do games like that I'd LOAD on the water litterally drink a gal of water
[18:43:20] <pfred1> but I thought i could make a comeback
[18:43:33] <_unreal_> people would be like HOW THE F is this guy still standing
[18:43:35] <_unreal_> :)
[18:43:50] <pfred1> I stood for a while but not for too long
[18:44:14] <_unreal_> they never caught on that I was loading on water before a drinking night
[18:44:21] <_unreal_> THEN I would load on the water after
[18:44:32] <pfred1> yeah a hangover is just dehydration
[18:44:47] <pfred1> alcohol is a dessicant
[18:44:47] <_unreal_> wake up pissing every few hours but at least I would have a minimal headache
[18:45:07] <pfred1> so your brain literally shrinks that's what's so painful
[18:45:28] <_unreal_> ya.... and they would always be like how is this guy doing that
[18:45:37] <_unreal_> I was like 118 lbs when I was 21
[18:45:42] <_unreal_> now i'm 160
[18:45:54] <pfred1> I put on weight in the past few years
[18:45:57] <_unreal_> at 5' 9"
[18:46:45] <_unreal_> 20 years later I should hope I put on weight
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[18:58:31] <gloops> im about 190lbs
[18:58:44] <gloops> have been forever
[19:01:06] <pink_vampire> someone can help me with the spindle design?
[19:01:54] <pink_vampire> do you think 1/8" aluminum will be good?
[19:03:33] <gloops> spindle design for what?
[19:03:43] <pink_vampire> for my mill
[19:03:53] <gloops> im just trying to work out what im seeing here - https://www.facebook.com
[19:04:06] <gloops> whats the 1/8th ally for?
[19:05:08] <Wolf__> application details needed for engineering
[19:06:22] <gloops> so the facebook item is not a lathe, its a mill, the lathe chuck was used as a vice...
[19:06:30] <gloops> 150
[19:06:48] <Tom_L> the riser almost looks like a fixture on the table
[19:07:16] <XXCoder> defionitely not lathe
[19:07:28] <Wolf__> not a lathe, not a mill either
[19:07:57] <XXCoder> we use lathe chuck as fixture sometimes at work, its great on keeping part centered when its round
[19:08:00] <Tom_L> maybe a shaper?
[19:08:05] <gloops> then what Wolf?
[19:08:05] <Wolf__> ^
[19:08:12] <pfred1> gloops yeah looks like a shaper to me
[19:08:27] * Wolf__ says expresso machine
[19:08:46] <pfred1> good for cutting keyways
[19:08:49] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:08:54] <Tom_L> they drank real java back when that was made...
[19:09:19] <gloops> not seeing how the head moves like a shaper
[19:09:19] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:09:33] <Tom_L> should be thicker than .125"
[19:09:56] <gloops> although it has got some big wheel there
[19:10:07] <Tom_L> i went with .250" steel plate on my mounts
[19:10:38] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:10:44] <pink_vampire> this is the problem
[19:10:53] <gloops> 1/8th ally, suppose it depends on the mill, seems a bit thin
[19:11:42] <Wolf__> I would go 1/4” 6mm plate
[19:12:10] <pink_vampire> i need to connect the top plate (motor) to the bottom plate) and i have only 7 mm between the belt and the edge
[19:12:25] <Wolf__> depends on what the plates attach to as well
[19:12:28] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: i don't have any. but it is 2024 t3
[19:12:56] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:13:25] <pink_vampire> do you think if i will make the plates larger and will use 8mm block with screws between them it will be ok?
[19:14:05] <Tom_L> sandwich between the plates?
[19:14:08] <_unreal_> https://www.amazon.com
[19:14:15] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: yes
[19:14:20] <Tom_L> probably
[19:14:22] <Wolf__> I would just use standoffs but thats me
[19:14:35] <pfred1> I could go for a sandwich
[19:14:37] <Tom_L> just leave enough open for service access
[19:14:48] <Tom_L> pfred1 those are sammiches
[19:15:06] <_unreal_> I think the 3 jaw is just mounted on the xy
[19:15:23] <Tom_L> pink_vampire just make it easy on yourself to change the belt
[19:15:38] <pink_vampire> what clearance i need between the wall to the belt? 2mm? or more?
[19:16:07] <_unreal_> is that a hammer
[19:16:08] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:16:13] <Wolf__> clearance >0
[19:16:14] <Tom_L> that's what i did
[19:17:05] <_unreal_> Tom_L, I have that same kind of cog....
[19:17:15] <_unreal_> I'm toying with doing one motor with dual cogs on Y
[19:17:20] <_unreal_> or dual motors
[19:17:20] <pfred1> _unreal_ https://i.kym-cdn.com
[19:17:22] <gloops> 2mm seems mighty close
[19:17:29] <Tom_L> yeah i agree
[19:17:37] <pink_vampire> more?
[19:17:40] <Tom_L> yes
[19:17:47] <pink_vampire> how much?
[19:17:55] <Tom_L> iirc mine is 3/16 to 1/4" clearance
[19:18:11] <Tom_L> approx
[19:18:53] <_unreal_> iirc?
[19:19:00] <Tom_L> google it
[19:19:23] <_unreal_> hum
[19:19:25] <pfred1> If I Recall Correctly
[19:19:37] <_unreal_> I'll stick to LOL
[19:19:39] <Tom_L> rtfm is another good one
[19:19:55] <pfred1> Read The Fine Manual
[19:19:58] <_unreal_> I miss IRC/AOL
[19:20:10] <_unreal_> err icq
[19:20:47] <pfred1> ttfn
[19:20:58] <pfred1> I'm going for that sandwich
[19:21:01] <_unreal_> WOW https://www.google.com
[19:21:22] <_unreal_> damn were getting old
[19:22:07] <Wolf__> just you
[19:22:11] <Wolf__> =P
[19:22:22] <_unreal_> I drink alone as well
[19:23:28] <Wolf__> too bad the email I used for icq is dead or I could recover my account
[19:24:29] <_unreal_> I put all my passwords into txt files that are on harddrives somewhere
[19:24:33] <_unreal_> some day I'll find them
[19:25:02] <_unreal_> though the last time I ran ICQ which was like 6 years ago. there was ONE person I knew
[19:25:07] <_unreal_> knew kind of
[19:25:30] <_unreal_> though I use to hang out on a channel called appzngamez on dalnet for ever......
[19:25:37] <_unreal_> then warez kind of died
[19:25:45] <gloops> icq eh-oh
[19:26:00] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:26:07] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[19:26:15] <_unreal_> waiting for it to load
[19:26:28] <Wolf__> looks ok
[19:26:35] <_unreal_> OMG...... I'm so used to cad I tried to drag it
[19:26:54] <Wolf__> so how do you plan on adjusting belt tension
[19:27:01] <Wolf__> lol _unreal_
[19:27:04] <gloops> middle bolt going to snag the belt
[19:27:10] <Wolf__> cant orbit a png
[19:27:11] <pink_vampire> moving the motor
[19:27:28] <Tom_L> pink, i think you're building yourself into a corner
[19:27:51] <Wolf__> so you need to take the whole thing apart to move the motor?
[19:27:53] <_unreal_> Wolf__, I can try like hell
[19:28:00] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:28:05] <_unreal_> just add a tention pully
[19:28:08] <Tom_L> majot labor charge to change the belt
[19:28:09] <_unreal_> bearing
[19:28:11] <Wolf__> or make the motor mount plate move
[19:28:41] <_unreal_> I would do a motor swing plate or a ballbearing tension
[19:28:44] <Tom_L> bbiab
[19:28:55] <pink_vampire> to replace the belt is just open 4 bolts
[19:29:06] <_unreal_> WOW my daughter just called a jewel case a disk safer
[19:29:08] <_unreal_> saver
[19:29:21] <_unreal_> asking if I had any mor
[19:29:22] <_unreal_> more
[19:30:12] <XXCoder> lol techinically it is
[19:30:43] <pink_vampire> i want to add one more block for the back
[19:30:44] <_unreal_> dad do you have a disk safer I need to put away karate kid
[19:30:48] <_unreal_> saver
[19:30:52] <_unreal_> I was like a WHAT?
[19:31:29] <pink_vampire> and make 0.5mm grove
[19:34:29] <gloops> hmm, this is a very simple design pink_vampire, im not inspired
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[19:34:37] <pink_vampire> no room at the back
[19:34:39] <gloops> think more - tiger tank
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[19:35:03] <pink_vampire> gloops: what do you mean?
[19:35:29] <gloops> http://tank-photographs.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com
[19:35:38] <pink_vampire> ok
[19:36:30] <gloops> we seem to be on the minimum threshold for everything, id like to beef it up a bit and make it ultimately practical
[19:36:36] <gloops> tank it up
[19:36:46] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, I would ether oversize some of the nema mount holes OR add a slide in 3 of them
[19:37:13] <pink_vampire> but there is a slide
[19:37:25] <_unreal_> to tention the motor?
[19:37:26] <pink_vampire> i want to move the motor not the mount
[19:37:31] <pink_vampire> yes
[19:37:37] <_unreal_> then your good whats the issue
[19:37:42] <Wolf__> well thats silly
[19:37:51] <_unreal_> pry the motor tighten screws done deal
[19:38:03] <Wolf__> how do you get to the motor mount bolts with the pulley mounted
[19:38:22] <_unreal_> yay, bells whistles cheers
[19:38:36] <pink_vampire> just close the nuts?
[19:38:37] <gloops> yes, very french design
[19:39:02] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:39:20] <_unreal_> I still cant believe AIM has been discontinued
[19:39:27] <Wolf__> you should be in automotive design pink
[19:39:35] <pink_vampire> why??
[19:39:54] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, tight and no space
[19:40:19] <Wolf__> this reminds me of my ford truck, where you need to lift the cab off it to get the valve cover off
[19:40:40] <_unreal_> Wolf__, my ford ranger 93 is easy to access EVERYTHING
[19:41:00] <Wolf__> thats cause the 2.8 motors are small ;p
[19:41:26] <gloops> french cars are the worst
[19:41:52] <Wolf__> all cars are bad lol
[19:41:56] <_unreal_> gloops, I love my mazda
[19:42:02] <pink_vampire> the ideal way to do it, is to use smaller pulleys and a belt tensioner, but i got those pulleys for free, and i have materials here collecting dust.. so..
[19:42:02] <_unreal_> I have a mazda 5 2015
[19:42:12] <_unreal_> my ford is retired, trying to get rid of it
[19:42:24] <gloops> changing a starter motor used to be 3 bolts out - try it on a renault, its a days job
[19:42:26] <Wolf__> why not slot the mount plate and just slide it
[19:42:51] <gloops> yes, slots are your friend always
[19:42:51] <_unreal_> Wolf__, access to the nema mounts
[19:43:13] <Wolf__> then its just 4 shcs to take the motor off and adjust the tension
[19:43:14] <_unreal_> to tighten the motor once tension has been met.
[19:43:27] <gloops> i made stacked plates with slots both ways for my x motors
[19:43:43] <gloops> tilt and tension
[19:43:50] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: there is no room at the back
[19:43:50] <_unreal_> I woudl make a slide plate where the motor is bolted to a PLATE and the plate has the swing tention system
[19:44:01] <pink_vampire> this is why i moving the motor
[19:44:07] <Wolf__> then make the motor mount plate shorter
[19:44:11] <Wolf__> ...
[19:44:56] <_unreal_> and you can lift a "finger" I love that and setup a 10-24 or greater thread so you can use a machine screw to tention the motor
[19:44:58] <pink_vampire> why to move the plate is better then moving the motor?
[19:45:03] <Wolf__> your current design you need to juggle a wrench, hex key and push the motor back at the same time
[19:45:36] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, picture a mount plate just a square
[19:45:51] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: i see what you mean
[19:45:55] <pink_vampire> you are correct!
[19:45:58] <Wolf__> =)
[19:46:13] <pink_vampire> you save me!!
[19:46:57] <_unreal_> and have that squre have an area on the right and left sides that stick out. one side is a hole for a fixed bolt. the other side has a slot. you lift the motor to the desired tension and make the bolt tight on the slot side
[19:47:20] <_unreal_> and wolf gets all the credit
[19:47:25] <_unreal_> wt.woulf
[19:47:28] <_unreal_> wolf
[19:47:48] <_unreal_> wt.wolf=wtf....
[19:48:22] <Wolf__> doing a pivot system is simple, but a pain in the ass at the same time
[19:48:24] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: you mean to make a slot in the plate? so it will move on the 2 blocks?
[19:48:35] <_unreal_> yes
[19:48:38] <Wolf__> then you need to account for the swing of all the parta
[19:48:40] <_unreal_> yes to pink_vampire
[19:48:44] <Wolf__> parts*
[19:49:29] <pink_vampire> pivot system it as my original thought
[19:49:50] <_unreal_> Wolf__, given a 70 ish mm width nema23 its not much of a swing especially if he really only needs about 15mm max for a tension.
[19:49:54] <pink_vampire> but i afraid it will no going to be rigid enough
[19:50:30] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, just add oversized bolt holes if you need to be more secure
[19:50:43] <_unreal_> for an Xtra bolt or 2
[19:51:01] <pink_vampire> there is any advantage to small 1:1 with small pulleys vs 1:1 with larger pulleys?
[19:51:26] <Wolf__> http://www.joshendyblog.net same idea, motor mounted solid to plate, plate moves to adjust
[19:51:31] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: there is not much room for it, and also it is just 1/8" plate
[19:51:37] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, if your ratio is the same then the only data of value is the value of the pully load max
[19:51:54] <Wolf__> larger pulley = more tooth engagement with timing belt
[19:52:09] <pink_vampire> more tooth engagement = better?
[19:52:28] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, can be but also more resistance
[19:52:49] <_unreal_> pink_vampire, larger pulleys need more tension
[19:53:26] <pink_vampire> :(
[19:53:36] <pink_vampire> I hope it will work
[19:54:05] <Wolf__> other way around, larger pulley needs less tension
[19:54:29] <Wolf__> vs small pulley
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[19:56:50] <_unreal_> I'm trying to draw it but I have not used inkscape in so long they have changed everything again MF'ERS
[19:57:22] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: say less _unreal_ say more
[19:57:39] <_unreal_> ?
[19:58:02] <Wolf__> smaller pulley would need more tension to keep it from slipping
[19:58:39] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[19:58:47] <_unreal_> Wolf__, smaller pully, more tention=stretching
[19:59:16] <Wolf__> smaller pulley = less surface area contact with belt
[20:00:08] <_unreal_> Wolf__, agree'd but less torque loading as well
[20:00:49] <pink_vampire> why i can't be normal person and watch tv as a "hobby"
[20:00:59] <Wolf__> lol
[20:01:05] <_unreal_> heh
[20:01:05] <Wolf__> what fun is that
[20:01:15] <_unreal_> hay look gay people
[20:01:33] <XXCoder> no0rmality is overrated
[20:01:35] <_unreal_> vs. your worng, your wrong, no your wrong
[20:02:33] <Tom_L> worried about surface contact go wider on the pulleys
[20:02:43] <_unreal_> or multiply
[20:02:43] <Tom_L> if the ratio is what you want
[20:02:51] <_unreal_> gigity gigity
[20:02:58] <Wolf__> timing belt system right pink?
[20:03:24] <Tom_L> the cad shows smooth pullies :D
[20:03:39] <Tom_L> no excuse for that
[20:03:52] <_unreal_> later on I'll take a few photos of my cnc motor controller box I'm bilding
[20:04:03] <Rab> This looks like a fair amount of stuff for $600, but they seem to be selling it just as a starting point...wonder what the deal is. https://austin.craigslist.org
[20:04:21] <pink_vampire> my plan is to use those pulleys, and it is going to be 2 times faster then the original gear, but i have no idea if the motor ill be good for it.. if i will see that i need more torque i will get a small pulley for the motor, and smaller belt.
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[20:04:58] <pink_vampire> I need the slow spindle for 3/8" end mills, facing, and tapping
[20:05:11] <pink_vampire> 3/8" and up..
[20:05:14] <Tom_L> same problem i've got
[20:05:26] <_unreal_> I have a case that is verymuch like the black box on the left https://static1.squarespace.com
[20:05:53] <Tom_L> i want to be able to rigid tap and have speeds up to around 10k or so
[20:06:02] <Wolf__> Rab: thats a interesting looking mess there
[20:06:37] <pink_vampire> add a tapping head with stepper / servo
[20:06:48] <Wolf__> might be something someone got in trade or found in a storage unit seeing no details of whats there
[20:07:23] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com
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[20:08:56] <Rab> Wolf__, that could be. I assumed somebody got a project to 90% and then unsurmountable resonance/flexibility/alignment issues emerged, so they ragequit.
[20:09:27] <Wolf__> Rab: would think they would have parted it all out then
[20:09:36] <Rab> Looking for a more complete machine in the background of the photos.
[20:12:53] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: that was done with mach - using A axis for tapping
[20:13:00] <skunkworks> beause mach doesn't do rigid tapping
[20:14:41] <skunkworks> you guys need more torque.. ;)
[20:14:45] <Tom_L> my config is all set up for it but the motor really isn't big enough to do it
[20:14:51] <Tom_L> skunkworks i know
[20:15:38] <Tom_L> and no i don't need to see your horizontal tapping video again :D
[20:15:53] <Tom_L> kinda jealous
[20:15:55] <_unreal_> so question for you guys... I'm looking at doing a dual pully single motor OR dual motor for my Y on the cnc machine I'm going to build.
[20:16:05] <_unreal_> the motors I have are 470oz
[20:16:20] <_unreal_> I have a pully system that is like 40 to 1
[20:16:28] <_unreal_> err no
[20:16:45] <_unreal_> I'd have to count I think off the top of my head its like 40 to 7 teeth?
[20:17:19] <Rab> 5.714:1?
[20:17:21] <skunkworks> Tom_L: how about vertial tapping? https://www.youtube.com
[20:17:46] <Tom_L> hah
[20:17:49] <_unreal_> Rab, I have to go up into the attic to get them down. so I'm giving a aprox numbers
[20:18:01] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: what do you mean ?
[20:18:07] <_unreal_> but I'm toying with a single motor to drive DUAL screws for the Y or dual motors direct
[20:18:23] <_unreal_> ether pullys or direct drive
[20:18:25] <Tom_L> skunkworks what do you guys use for cad cam?
[20:18:39] <skunkworks> Tom_L: did you see -> http://electronicsam.com
[20:18:46] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: what do you mean here "[20:14:20] <skunkworks> you guys need more torque.. "
[20:19:18] <Tom_L> no but i saw that part sitting on the base
[20:19:39] <Tom_L> the tubes just sitting in the holes?
[20:19:58] <Rab> _unreal_, what sort of screws do you have?
[20:20:10] <_unreal_> I'm going to get ball screws prob
[20:20:21] <_unreal_> I have not gotten my rails or my screws yet
[20:20:38] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: what machine is that?
[20:20:39] <_unreal_> I need to talk to the machining solutions company again to make a final plah
[20:20:41] <_unreal_> plan
[20:20:57] <_unreal_> and bring my base to them
[20:20:58] <pink_vampire> it's look similar to the 770
[20:21:46] <_unreal_> hehe I see 770 and all I can think of is nvidia
[20:23:54] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: it is a matsuura - vintage 85'ish
[20:24:01] <pink_vampire> http://electronicsam.com
[20:24:20] <skunkworks> Tom_L: in the ball screws - yes - pretty much gravity dump
[20:24:31] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: was that when you just got it?
[20:24:36] <XXCoder> dang you changed it a lot
[20:25:18] <pink_vampire> https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com
[20:25:49] <pink_vampire> look at the tormach, it's almost a copy of your matsuura
[20:26:11] <XXCoder> oh nm lol
[20:26:35] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: which one? the video or the green machine?
[20:26:48] <pink_vampire> this one http://electronicsam.com
[20:27:12] <skunkworks> ah - yes - it looks a lot like a tormach because it was their 440 prototype.
[20:27:29] <skunkworks> needless to say - they didn't go with that supplier..
[20:27:57] <skunkworks> it had lots of issues..
[20:27:59] <skunkworks> has
[20:28:13] <skunkworks> slowly fixing them.
[20:28:28] <skunkworks> it will be one heck of a small machine when it is done
[20:28:44] <_unreal_> any one played with solid state relays?
[20:28:52] <skunkworks> yes
[20:28:57] <_unreal_> wondering how hot they get... I have a bunhc of stripped out of stuff never sued
[20:28:59] <_unreal_> used
[20:29:04] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: me
[20:29:21] <_unreal_> I'm looking at the 40amp one's I have to be a disconnect for the MAIN's
[20:29:52] <pink_vampire> rate them about 1/4 of what they say
[20:29:54] <_unreal_> I cant draw any more then 15-20a 120v ac... I dont know what the supply is but thats all there is in the building that I'm going to have the machine
[20:30:01] <_unreal_> ?
[20:30:09] <_unreal_> ok so 10A
[20:30:44] <_unreal_> both of my 36v dc supplies draw about 5a's
[20:30:49] <pink_vampire> cor continues load they can get HOT
[20:31:16] <_unreal_> I can go with relays as welll
[20:31:37] <_unreal_> I just like the idea of solid state relays :)
[20:32:32] <skunkworks> they are usually a junction voltage drop.. so .6v at whatever amps should be the power radiation
[20:32:39] <pink_vampire> i told you, get a contactor
[20:32:57] <_unreal_> contactor meaning relay
[20:33:07] <pink_vampire> mmm no
[20:33:13] <_unreal_> ?
[20:33:34] <pink_vampire> https://ferreteriavidri.com
[20:33:48] <_unreal_> if your talking about a switch... this has NOTHING to do with a switch
[20:34:08] <pink_vampire> they look like that and they design to disconnect very fast
[20:34:28] <pink_vampire> they cut the power in few in ms
[20:35:20] <_unreal_> ahh..... last I knew you couldnt get siemens stuff in USA
[20:35:48] <_unreal_> maybe its just breaker boxes
[20:35:59] <pink_vampire> just make self holding loop with a momentary switch and your E-stop chain
[20:36:25] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: the brand is not important, you can get any decent brand
[20:39:48] <pink_vampire> you need to have 1 start button, and a chain of NC switches or realys that can kill the power because over heating, over current, someone press the e-stop, etc, and if the E-stop chain tripped it will kill the power to the coil in the contactor, and kill the main power to the machine
[20:42:14] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: 100% agree. it is the first loop we setup.
[20:44:25] <skunkworks> (although we don't have a start buton... - Linuxcnc activates the loop)
[20:49:52] <pink_vampire> I like to have it start manually
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[20:56:46] <skunkworks> on the K&T.. - pull out the gui estop - hydraulics turn on - all contactors turn on.
[20:57:02] <pink_vampire> how to I add mist on / off ?
[20:57:28] <skunkworks> turn on - drives / spindle enables (control loop)
[20:58:49] <pink_vampire> but how i set the pins?
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[21:09:57] <Tom_L> pyvcp would work
[21:13:54] <pink_vampire> i mean to the lpt port
[21:16:34] <pink_vampire> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[21:16:39] <pink_vampire> i did it here
[21:16:46] <pink_vampire> i have no idea how
[21:17:16] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: motion.in-position connected to parport.0.pin-09
[21:17:29] <pink_vampire> do you remember how i'm doing it?
[21:17:48] <pink_vampire> i think it's in the ini
[21:26:45] <_unreal_> ok so pink_vampire let me ask you a question: <pink_vampire> you need to have 1 start button, and a chain of NC switches or realys that can kill the power because over heating, over current, someone press the e-stop, etc, and if the E-stop chain tripped it will kill the power to the coil in the contactor, and kill the main power to the machine
[21:27:18] <pink_vampire> ??
[21:27:46] <_unreal_> when the other day I mentioned that I was about to now HAVE. purchased some Estop switches that are low amperage you where giving me a rash of shit... when that is exatly what they are going to do is start the TRIGGER processes of killing all power
[21:29:29] <pink_vampire> yeah, but i meant to use quality e-stop and contactor. all the other stuff are less important
[21:29:38] <_unreal_> I'm going to put them inline with the main relays. so that they have to be reset for power to be enabled. and I can ether have a soft NC trigger OR I can have a HARD kill trigger which will be detected by the falling edge
[21:29:39] <pink_vampire> the e-stop get abused
[21:29:56] <XXCoder> e-stop does get hit hard yeah
[21:30:16] <_unreal_> My old machine I had an ESTOP and a panic
[21:30:32] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: tell me about it
[21:30:46] <_unreal_> speaking of I need to find that sucker again
[21:30:51] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: i like that idea
[21:31:31] <_unreal_> the panic switch that I used works just like a car door lock. has a little plunger that you pull up to set and slam down to kill
[21:31:40] <_unreal_> designed for abuse but it has a small pull handle
[21:33:10] <pink_vampire> for soft stop just hit ESC
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[21:52:13] <pink_vampire> how do i add a pin in hal?
[22:07:38] <pink_vampire> linuxcnc crash and get kernel panic all the time
[22:07:40] <pink_vampire> WTF
[22:08:19] <infornography> You broke it?
[22:08:32] <infornography> Stop breaking it
[22:09:42] <pink_vampire> i was trying to forward a "pin" to a pin 9 in the para port
[22:09:54] <pink_vampire> "motion.in-position
[22:10:38] <pink_vampire> "motion.in-position" to "parport.0.pin-09-out"
[22:10:43] <pink_vampire> infornography: ^
[22:11:01] <infornography> brb!
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[22:11:04] <pink_vampire> ok
[22:12:55] <pink_vampire> i added to the hal file,
[22:13:36] <pink_vampire> net motionindicator => paraport.0.pin-09-out
[22:24:05] <pink_vampire> how the "not" work in the hall file?
[22:27:45] <XXCoder> maybe its ! ? I dont know
[22:28:34] <XXCoder> not is inverter apparently
[22:28:39] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org
[22:28:52] <XXCoder> section 5.2
[22:29:12] <pink_vampire> i need to invert pin 9 in my para port
[22:29:30] <XXCoder> looks like you just add not before name
[22:29:51] <XXCoder> example: not.n.in (bit, in)
[22:30:26] <pink_vampire> i'm not sure what is the "bit"
[22:30:37] <XXCoder> single bit, 0 or 1
[22:30:44] <pink_vampire> and what is not.n and not.all???
[22:30:52] <XXCoder> in is boolean variable name'
[22:31:01] <XXCoder> yeah that part is unclear to me
[22:31:18] <XXCoder> I never played with HAL im working from my programming background
[22:31:48] <pink_vampire> let me take a pic
[22:32:26] <pink_vampire> parport.0.pin-09-out-invert this is not working
[22:32:57] <pink_vampire> not-parport.0.pin-09-out now i'm trying that
[22:33:27] <pink_vampire> also not working
[22:34:02] <pink_vampire> not.parport.0.pin-09-out maybe "." instead of the "-"
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[22:34:28] <pink_vampire> also not working
[22:34:38] <XXCoder> you need n
[22:34:45] <XXCoder> not.n.parport blah blah
[22:34:53] <pink_vampire> maybe not.n.parport.0.pin-09-out
[22:35:24] <pink_vampire> also not working
[22:35:29] <XXCoder> what is parport data type anyway
[22:35:38] <XXCoder> is it single bit data or 8 bit number or whatever?
[22:35:49] <pink_vampire> i have no idea
[22:35:53] <XXCoder> I think I finally understand it
[22:36:05] <pink_vampire> without the "not.n" it is working
[22:36:05] <XXCoder> you can use not.0.par... or not.all.parpor....
[22:37:32] <pink_vampire> so in separate line to add not.0.parport.0.pin-09-out ??
[22:37:47] <XXCoder> same line
[22:38:03] <pink_vampire> ok
[22:38:10] <XXCoder> not add to it but modify it
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[22:38:29] <pink_vampire> i'm trying not.0.parport.0.pin-09-out
[22:38:57] <pink_vampire> also not working
[22:39:06] <XXCoder> maybe all one will work dunno
[22:50:51] <pink_vampire> even not.all don't work.
[22:52:11] <XXCoder> bah dunno then
[22:54:22] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: parport.<p>.pin-<n>-out-invert
[22:55:05] <skunkworks> inverts the output pin
[22:55:16] <XXCoder> she tried that
[22:55:18] <XXCoder> didnt work
[22:55:21] <skunkworks> ?
[22:55:56] <XXCoder> <pink_vampire> parport.0.pin-09-out-invert this is not working
[22:56:08] <pink_vampire> let me try again
[22:56:50] <pink_vampire> no
[22:56:53] <pink_vampire> fail
[22:57:01] <skunkworks> you setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true
[22:57:28] <pink_vampire> to add true?
[22:58:12] <skunkworks> it is an attribute to the output pin.
[22:58:29] <pink_vampire> the hole line is
[22:58:31] <pink_vampire> net motiondetection => parport.0.pin-09-out-invert
[22:58:38] <skunkworks> no
[22:59:11] <skunkworks> setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true
[22:59:32] <pink_vampire> where to put it?
[22:59:33] <skunkworks> net motiondetection => parport.0.pin-09-out
[23:00:24] <pink_vampire> the "setp" is like setup line?
[23:00:33] <skunkworks> you configure the pin to be inverted with the setp
[23:00:36] <skunkworks> yes
[23:00:39] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: can you dpaste the entire hal at dpaste.com?
[23:00:50] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org
[23:01:10] <pink_vampire> the linuxcnc computer is not connected to the internet
[23:01:27] <pink_vampire> but maybe
[23:01:55] <skunkworks> 2 lines as above. setp sets the pin to inverted
[23:02:21] <skunkworks> then connect the pin to the signal
[23:03:17] <skunkworks> setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true
[23:03:23] <skunkworks> net motiondetection => parport.0.pin-09-out
[23:03:23] <pink_vampire> https://pastebin.com
[23:04:11] <pink_vampire> i want to get the "motion.in-position" in to pin9 in inverted way
[23:05:26] <skunkworks> yes. did you try the 2 lines?
[23:05:35] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true didn't work
[23:06:02] <skunkworks> what is the error?
[23:06:08] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[23:06:36] <pink_vampire> pin dose not exist
[23:07:06] <pink_vampire> pin 'parport.0.pin-09-out-invert' dose not exist
[23:10:03] <skunkworks> what gui are you using
[23:10:31] <skunkworks> is the port set to out?
[23:10:43] <pink_vampire> yes
[23:10:45] <pink_vampire> axis
[23:11:49] <skunkworks> run axis ( linecommented out)
[23:12:08] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[23:13:01] <skunkworks> machine menu - hal configuration
[23:13:18] <pink_vampire> ho ok
[23:13:28] <pink_vampire> so i need to remove the code that make issues
[23:13:29] <skunkworks> (comment out the line so axis starts)
[23:13:41] <skunkworks> right
[23:15:02] <skunkworks> machine menu -> show hal configuration
[23:15:29] <pink_vampire> i think it is working and it was network issue
[23:16:00] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: WOOORKKK
[23:16:02] <skunkworks> that is the list of available pins. look for your parport 9 invert
[23:16:13] <skunkworks> oh?
[23:16:45] <pink_vampire> this is the code that work! https://i.imgur.com
[23:17:35] <pink_vampire> the issue was that the ssh was drop all the time and it didn't save the change
[23:18:35] <skunkworks> yay!
[23:18:45] <skunkworks> make sense?
[23:20:24] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to make one by myself just to see if i understand how it work
[23:21:58] <pink_vampire> cool!!!
[23:23:56] <skunkworks> it is a little confusing. inputs usually have 2 pins. you connect the one you want ( inverted or not inverted).. outputs only have one pin and you set it to inverted with the invert parameter.
[23:24:02] <Tom_L> quick n dirty encoder: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:24:15] <Tom_L> didn't file the tab or debur it yet
[23:24:51] <skunkworks> Tom_L: cool!
[23:25:21] <Tom_L> you can see deflection where the .0625 cutter plunged a little
[23:25:34] <Tom_L> could have profiled it but meh
[23:25:51] <pink_vampire> after 2 years 3 months 31 days i solved it https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[23:28:12] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: 1/16" is not that small that it will deflect that much, I think it is flex in structure of the machine
[23:29:26] <pink_vampire> did you zigzag in ramp motion it or plunge it?
[23:32:43] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: is there a "signal" for M30?
[23:39:57] <skunkworks> maybe look at halui pins?
[23:40:39] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org
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[23:45:16] <pink_vampire> i want to get BEEP at the end of the program
[23:45:26] <pink_vampire> and kill the spindle power
[23:49:52] <infornography> that would be nice
[23:50:09] <infornography> You get it to not break yet?
[23:50:12] <_unreal_> years ago I wanted one of these https://www.amazon.com
[23:51:19] <pink_vampire> infornography: I don't like the brake with the vfd, it is not very good on the vfd
[23:51:36] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: nice toy
[23:51:44] <infornography> is that all plastic?
[23:51:48] <_unreal_> I dont know
[23:52:14] <_unreal_> all I know is 15 years ago I saw it and wanted it baddly then but it was like $400
[23:52:17] <infornography> das cheap
[23:52:18] <_unreal_> on ebay
[23:52:39] <infornography> the new price I mean
[23:53:29] <pink_vampire> there is no signal for the program finished?
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[23:56:22] <infornography> I would help you if I could pink, but I can only offer moral support
[23:56:45] <pink_vampire> thanks :-)
[23:56:46] <skunkworks> could maybe use.. halui.program.is−running
[23:58:17] <pink_vampire> if it is running it's true?
[23:58:18] <Wolf__> cam processor, end of run commands, spindle off command, m code to output to external relay hooked to buzzer/air horn/siren
[23:59:17] <pink_vampire> M code will be the easyest
[23:59:28] <pink_vampire> like M8 M30