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[00:00:04] <pink_vampire> like the mist or coolant M code
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[00:19:03] <XXCoder> nice https://www.youtube.com
[00:23:05] <infonograph> what the heck
[00:23:52] <XXCoder> I love this old tony. he makes so many jokes
[00:27:12] <XXCoder> the cat one :P lol
[00:32:15] <XXCoder> lol then the boy
[00:37:12] <MarcelineVQ> The boy got me
[00:37:32] <XXCoder> yeah
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[00:59:19] <fragalot> hi
[01:01:21] <XXCoder> yo
[01:01:23] <infonograph> ello
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[01:09:27] <miss0r> yo
[01:09:32] <pink_vampire> hi
[01:10:10] <pink_vampire> how do i find it the program is finished?
[01:10:59] <XXCoder> on other machines it usually turns off green light and program returns to start
[01:11:05] <XXCoder> not too sure on linuxcnc
[01:11:18] <pink_vampire> I have the stacklight controller
[01:11:29] <miss0r> did it say M30 on the screen?
[01:11:30] <XXCoder> yeah I remember that. still think thats cool!
[01:11:48] <pink_vampire> miss0r: i mean like a hal signal
[01:12:04] <miss0r> no idea :)
[01:12:18] <pink_vampire> like "motion.in-position" that indicate if the machine is moving
[01:12:55] <XXCoder> ahh HAL dunno
[01:13:10] <XXCoder> evenually jt will come in. I guess in couple hours
[01:13:13] <pink_vampire> where i can see a list of them?
[01:15:29] <fragalot> pink_vampire: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[01:15:35] <fragalot> check the -program section
[01:16:24] <miss0r> fragalot: My package is still in belgium :) it seems it has moved one city over :D
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[01:17:00] <fragalot> miss0r: :D
[01:17:06] <pink_vampire> halui.program.is-running
[01:17:18] <fragalot> pink_vampire: I think you may want is-idle
[01:18:04] <pink_vampire> i want to get the BEEP only if the program is done, not if i killed it
[01:19:34] <fragalot> use an M code for that then
[01:19:46] <fragalot> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[01:20:24] <pink_vampire> beep is use the sound card
[01:20:42] <pink_vampire> it's like to use the mist relay
[01:21:09] <pink_vampire> but this is use something in your code to tell you the code is done,
[01:21:17] <pink_vampire> i want something from linux cnc
[01:21:24] <fragalot> you're shit out of luck then
[01:21:35] <Wolf__> put a staples “that was easy” buttons on the table and have the end mill press it at end of cycle
[01:21:53] <pink_vampire> LOLLLLLLLLLLL
[01:21:54] <fragalot> the M code way is how i've done it on fanuc, siemens, and taiwanese machines for years
[01:22:31] <pink_vampire> i did it the same way in the mach3 years ago
[01:22:59] <pink_vampire> but i think in linux cnc that you have all those signals, maybe there is a better way
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[01:49:58] <pink_vampire> where do i save the M code files?
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[01:50:30] <pink_vampire> in the user_m_path?
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[02:04:17] <pink_vampire> http://linuxcnc.org
[02:04:35] <pink_vampire> the M110 Example file don't work.
[02:05:26] <pink_vampire> i tried it in the terminal (with my username and ta correct picture name) and it work,
[02:06:05] <pink_vampire> but as M code, I'm getting "unknown M code used M110"
[02:07:50] <pink_vampire> what does that mean "Note After creating a new M1nn file you must restart the GUI so it is aware of the new file, otherwise you will get an Unkown m code error."
[02:08:20] <Wolf__> close linux cnc and reopen
[02:09:18] <pink_vampire> I did it, same error, there is no special way to "restart the GUI"?
[02:10:38] <Wolf__> no idea then
[02:10:51] <pink_vampire> do i need to declare the Mcode somewhere ?
[02:14:32] <pink_vampire> The file is not an executable file
[02:14:35] <pink_vampire> mmm
[02:14:39] <pink_vampire> lets see
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[02:17:44] <pink_vampire> chmod +x M110, then close and open linux cnc , solved the issue
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[03:12:19] <Deejay> moin
[03:14:24] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
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[03:14:32] <Deejay> hi pink
[03:14:40] <Wolf__> morning
[03:14:46] <pink_vampire> how are you doing?
[03:15:38] <selroc> hello
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[03:18:03] <pink_vampire> selroc: !
[03:18:40] <selroc> how is going ?
[03:19:21] <pink_vampire> the machine blink on movement
[03:19:52] <pink_vampire> melody beeps on finish cut
[03:20:05] <pink_vampire> and now i'm working on the probing
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[03:21:13] <selroc> nice
[03:23:19] <pink_vampire> it is not that easy with the probe
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[03:26:05] <pink_vampire> it is not that easy with the probe
[03:29:36] <Wolf__> weird, my probe beeps on contact
[03:33:25] <pink_vampire> i'm getting an error that tell me the pin motion.probe-input is already in use
[03:34:03] <Wolf__> actually its the probe interface box that beeps
[03:35:15] <pink_vampire> i know i can do that
[03:35:27] <pink_vampire> but i want to work with the linux cnc signals
[03:36:46] <pink_vampire> I have that in the code
[03:36:49] <pink_vampire> net my-sigin1 or2.0.in0 <= parport.1.pin-10-in-not
[03:36:54] <pink_vampire> net my-sigin2 or2.0.in1 <= parport.1.pin-11-in
[03:36:58] <pink_vampire> net both-on motion.probe-input <= or2.0.out
[03:37:23] <pink_vampire> can you help me understand why i did that?
[03:38:14] <pink_vampire> "my-signal" is the net name?
[03:38:22] <pink_vampire> so each net has a name?
[03:42:50] <selroc> what is the motion control hardware ?
[03:44:39] <pink_vampire> selroc: what do you mean?
[03:44:52] <pink_vampire> it is 2 parallel ports
[03:45:46] <pink_vampire> I'm getting 2 signals pin 10 and pin 11, they go in to "OR" and become my Probe input
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[03:47:33] <selroc> I have a mesa 7i92 thats the motion control
[03:48:02] <pink_vampire> for me the lpt is fine.
[03:48:24] <pink_vampire> my issue is with the hal configuration signals.
[03:48:50] <selroc> I don't know, I use pncconf to configure
[03:49:08] <pink_vampire> i want to forward the probe signal to pin 17 in praport 1
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[03:49:29] <pink_vampire> but i need to duplicate it somehow
[03:54:48] <XXCoder> cant you create another variable and point it to same pin #?'
[04:11:05] <rmu|w> pink_vampire: do you need the output of the "or" block to go out of the parport?
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[04:59:35] <pink_vampire> I have no idea
[05:00:29] <pink_vampire> i have 2 devices that make signals for the "probing" in linux cnc.
[05:01:47] <pink_vampire> the first one is the "probe" and the second is the tool setter
[05:02:05] <pink_vampire> the probe is N.C the tool setter is N.O,
[05:02:29] <pink_vampire> this is why i need the "OR" and invert one of those pins.
[05:03:11] <pink_vampire> after the "OR" they used as my "motion.probe-input" pin in hal.
[05:03:21] <pink_vampire> ------------------------
[05:05:03] <pink_vampire> now i want to forward the "motion.probe-input" signal to " parport.1.pin-17-out"
[05:05:42] <pink_vampire> but I'm getting an error that "motion.probe-input" is already in use
[05:05:51] <pink_vampire> rmu|w: ^ XXCoder ^
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[05:06:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:06:40] <XXCoder> what line does it define motion.probe-input ?
[05:07:04] <pink_vampire> those 3 lines
[05:08:08] <XXCoder> unfortunately I dont know hal
[05:08:15] <XXCoder> fortunately jt should be coming in soon
[05:08:25] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[05:09:59] <pink_vampire> this is the code that i was trying to add
[05:10:11] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[05:11:04] <XXCoder> add this line below last line in first picture
[05:11:24] <XXCoder> net both-on motion.probe-input2 <= or2.0.out
[05:11:45] <XXCoder> and add 2 to line that causes already used error
[05:13:27] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[05:13:32] <pink_vampire> like that?
[05:14:00] <XXCoder> though is it line 31 that caused error?
[05:14:05] <XXCoder> or other place
[05:14:12] <pink_vampire> i have no idea
[05:14:17] <pink_vampire> lets see
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[05:14:31] <XXCoder> look if motion.probe-input is defined elsewhere
[05:14:37] <pink_vampire> i'm trying with the line you told me to add
[05:14:40] <pink_vampire> no
[05:15:04] <XXCoder> where is motion.probe-input used anyway
[05:15:45] <pink_vampire> i'm not sure
[05:16:16] <pink_vampire> the error is on line 32
[05:16:40] <pink_vampire> motion.probe-input2 dose not exist
[05:17:13] <XXCoder> okay remove that line I'm olviously misunderstanding how that HAL lines work
[05:17:28] <XXCoder> I dont know where motion.probe-input is defined
[05:17:59] <pink_vampire> I think it is defined here
[05:18:02] <pink_vampire> net both-on motion.probe-input <= or2.0.out
[05:18:55] <pink_vampire> without your line i'm getting the error:
[05:19:08] <XXCoder> apparently not if it complains 2 one doesnt exist, if its being defined it should not complain its nonexistant
[05:19:43] <pink_vampire> Pin 'motion.probe-input' was already linked to signal 'both-on'
[05:19:50] <pink_vampire> line 62
[05:20:02] <pink_vampire> this is line 62
[05:20:03] <pink_vampire> net probebeep => motion.probe-input
[05:21:03] <XXCoder> looks like can't link to output twice
[05:21:13] <pink_vampire> i removed line 62, and linux cnc opened.
[05:21:29] <XXCoder> where is both-on defined?
[05:21:42] <pink_vampire> what about to connect a signal to output?
[05:22:08] <pink_vampire> only in line 31
[05:22:08] <XXCoder> once you link motion.probe-input, you cant link it again
[05:23:04] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to change line 62
[05:23:05] <pink_vampire> from
[05:23:09] <pink_vampire> net probebeep => motion.probe-input
[05:23:24] <pink_vampire> to
[05:23:25] <pink_vampire> net probebeep => both-on
[05:23:46] <XXCoder> did it work?
[05:23:58] <pink_vampire> error
[05:24:03] <pink_vampire> line 62..
[05:24:24] <pink_vampire> pin 'both-on' dose not exist
[05:25:21] <pink_vampire> maybe to use or2.0.out instead of both-on?
[05:25:50] <XXCoder> I don't know enough unfortunately
[05:26:39] <pink_vampire> error: Pin 'or2.0.out' was already linked to signal 'both-on'
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[05:29:06] <pink_vampire> soved!
[05:29:10] <pink_vampire> solved!
[05:29:49] <XXCoder> yay! what dd you do?
[05:29:57] <pink_vampire> line 61
[05:30:11] <pink_vampire> i changed it from
[05:30:12] <pink_vampire> net probebeep => parport.1.pin-17-out
[05:30:15] <pink_vampire> to
[05:30:23] <pink_vampire> net both-on => parport.1.pin-17-out
[05:30:36] <XXCoder> interesting. does it work as expected to work?
[05:30:39] <pink_vampire> and delete line 60
[05:30:46] <pink_vampire> #setp parport.1.pin-17-out-invert true
[05:30:51] <pink_vampire> yes
[05:31:13] <XXCoder> I suspect both-on is a output so it makes sense to link it that way you did
[05:31:21] <XXCoder> linking to input doesnt work
[05:31:26] <pink_vampire> the probe make the stack light to change from green to red and green and it also beep
[05:31:44] <XXCoder> <output result> => <output pin>
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[05:32:25] <pink_vampire> more than 2 years i'm waiting to this moment
[05:32:54] <rmu|w> sorry, was AFK
[05:33:01] <rmu|w> so in hal, you have the concept of "signals"
[05:33:38] <rmu|w> a pin can only ever be connected to one signal
[05:33:45] <rmu|w> not two
[05:34:01] <pink_vampire> and signals?
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[05:35:48] <pink_vampire> rmu|w: can you connect signal more then one time?
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[05:38:55] <rmu|w> you can connect multiple pins to one signal
[05:38:59] <rmu|w> but not the other way round
[05:39:15] <rmu|w> so you can not connect one pin to multiple signals
[05:39:48] <rmu|w> oh just saw that you solved the problem, so nevermind ;)
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[05:40:06] <pink_vampire> rmu|w: until next time LOL
[05:40:25] <pink_vampire> it is soooo fun to hear the BEEP
[05:42:11] <XXCoder> you have actual light signal system im so jelious
[05:42:23] <XXCoder> honestly I want hand pendant way more than lights
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[05:45:43] <pink_vampire> I have a the stacklight controller that have 6 inputs, and according to them it power the red/yellow/green/buzzer
[05:51:15] <pink_vampire> if the E-stop is engaged - RED, servos and other high voltage activated - GREEN, servos are moving (even if jog) - BLINK GREEN, probe / tool setter engaged RED + GREEN + BEEP, finish job - RED GREEN alternating and melody, error signal like over heating - YELLOW flashing fast + ALARM
[05:51:26] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:51:45] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:52:40] <XXCoder> machines at work usually has this as standard: yellow - idle. Blinking green - program is running but on m0 stop or paused. steady green is running
[05:53:43] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: mine is better :)
[05:54:04] <pink_vampire> I LOVE the beep on the probing!!! LOVE IT
[05:54:16] <XXCoder> I do recommand switch green states, steady as running, flashing as m0 or paused
[05:54:34] <XXCoder> besides that whatever. to me flashing means it needs attention
[05:55:22] <pink_vampire> this is why is that, clean chips, and stuff like that
[05:56:27] <pink_vampire> on industrial machine there is high pressure coolant and other stuff so you can basically go sleep while it running
[05:56:43] <XXCoder> kind of. some machines dont work that well
[05:57:28] <pink_vampire> compare to DIY benchtop mill ...
[05:57:38] <XXCoder> some machines like that damned okuma have to check everything over before start it because it will error out if change from tool 1 to tool 1 or any same tool again, so in order to make it not error out there must be no tool change
[05:57:52] <XXCoder> if I change to chuck then check stuff and doesn't change it back...
[05:58:06] <XXCoder> it happened once, I destroyed that chuck cat50
[05:58:11] <XXCoder> it cost over $1000
[05:58:32] <XXCoder> most machines isnt that dumb but yeah
[05:58:43] <pink_vampire> I don't have tool changer here, I barely have tools
[05:59:21] <XXCoder> yeah very different scale machine eh
[05:59:42] <XXCoder> my home machine dont even have any tool holder, just er11 directly on spindle
[05:59:42] <pink_vampire> I made all that G codes and make 1 part..
[05:59:53] <XXCoder> so I cant "kinda" automate tool changes
[06:01:11] <XXCoder> yours use toolholder right? so you can measure all tools lengths and just manually swap em as needed?
[06:01:15] <pink_vampire> so far it as very good day for me
[06:01:40] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: collets!!!
[06:01:50] <pink_vampire> the shorter the better
[06:02:02] <pink_vampire> and the HF use ER 11
[06:02:10] <XXCoder> I mean something like cat40, cat50
[06:02:22] <XXCoder> your machine, if it had em, would be very small like cat20
[06:02:49] <XXCoder> cat 40 and 50 https://www.practicalmachinist.com
[06:02:55] <pink_vampire> i think toormac offer bt30
[06:03:27] <XXCoder> bt30 https://ae01.alicdn.com
[06:03:41] <XXCoder> that looks same as robo machine ones
[06:03:58] <XXCoder> its not nearly as tiny as one found in office mill at work lol
[06:03:59] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: the only reason i want the low speed spindle is for tapping and facing, other wise the HF is amazing.
[06:04:12] <XXCoder> if its not holding tool, you could hide toolholder in hand
[06:05:11] <pink_vampire> for me, my go to endmills is the 1/8" and the 1/16"
[06:05:16] <XXCoder> nice
[06:05:24] <XXCoder> im not sure what sizes I would regularly use
[06:05:31] <pink_vampire> those are the ones that i'm using 99% of the time for milling.
[06:05:44] <XXCoder> I have few 6mm endmills and bunch of worn 1/16" ball endmills
[06:06:03] <XXCoder> worn compared to it was before but it can easly mill alum or wood whatever
[06:06:28] <XXCoder> got 1/16s from work, it ran on incel metal 30 parts then worn lol
[06:06:31] <pink_vampire> for facing I have the fly cutter ith the insert lathe tool from harbor freight
[06:06:46] <XXCoder> whats size of flycutter
[06:07:15] <pink_vampire> small, it's go in the low speed spindle.
[06:07:24] <pink_vampire> about 2"
[06:07:26] <XXCoder> cool :)
[06:07:40] <XXCoder> 2" is standard facemill size at work also
[06:07:49] <XXCoder> most times if need facemill its 2"
[06:07:56] <XXCoder> only rarely do we use larger ones
[06:08:26] <XXCoder> largest one I know is 10", its so large that if person forgot to remove it, it would break toolchanger and tools in corsel
[06:08:30] <pink_vampire> I'm taking a pic for you
[06:08:42] <XXCoder> I cant lift that monster also. well I can but very barely.
[06:11:55] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[06:12:15] <pink_vampire> the face mill, and the finish I'm getting with it
[06:12:27] <XXCoder> wow actual flycutter
[06:12:41] <pink_vampire> fly cutter****
[06:12:42] <XXCoder> we dont use em at work at all
[06:13:11] <pink_vampire> it is facing operation..
[06:13:20] <XXCoder> yeah far better finish than facemill
[06:13:33] <XXCoder> but we use facemills because it lasts a lot better
[06:13:55] <XXCoder> https://i.ebayimg.com typical one
[06:14:08] <pink_vampire> for less then 10$..or so..
[06:14:21] <XXCoder> sometimes 3, 4 or 6 inserts for 2"
[06:14:38] <pink_vampire> I can't drive it with my spindle.
[06:15:07] <XXCoder> maybe not? I dont know your machine abilities
[06:15:19] <pink_vampire> about 1HP spindle..
[06:16:11] <pink_vampire> i have no idea about the servo.. maybe less? because the 1:1 but more speed?
[06:16:24] <pink_vampire> also I have no idea how to drive it.
[06:16:48] <XXCoder> theres special toolholder for it, if yours dont use any you cant drive it at all
[06:17:17] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i mean how to drive the servo spindle
[06:17:27] <XXCoder> oh! dunno
[06:17:31] <pink_vampire> I have dual 72V 10A power supply
[06:18:01] <pink_vampire> and now it X+y on 10A and the Z on the other 10A
[06:18:44] <pink_vampire> maybe to add the spindle to the Z?
[06:20:12] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:20:30] <pink_vampire> me either..
[06:21:00] <pink_vampire> but we will see...
[06:21:23] <pink_vampire> I can't find my 10-32 tap!!
[06:21:28] <pink_vampire> WTF
[06:22:01] <MarcelineVQ> if you're anything like me you can't find it because you broke it and forgot to get a new one ;_:
[06:22:27] <XXCoder> lolk
[06:22:31] <pink_vampire> i van even find the drill for it
[06:22:45] <pink_vampire> but maybe i have an idea where it can be
[06:23:51] <pink_vampire> yeah! I found it
[06:27:17] <Tom_L> last place you put it right?
[06:29:34] <Tom_L> 72�F Hi 79 and rain most of the week
[06:29:54] <XXCoder> Tom_L: nah its always at last place person looked. always.
[06:31:28] <jthornton> morning
[06:32:07] <Tom_L> morning jt
[06:32:16] <XXCoder> yo
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[06:41:27] <rmu|w> lol. leak in ISS was caused by worked that drilled hole and patched it up instead of reporting it
[06:41:37] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:41:47] <XXCoder> someone is so in trouble
[06:42:31] <pink_vampire> hi jthornton
[06:42:43] <jthornton> hi pink_vampire
[06:43:34] <pink_vampire> do you know if linux cnc can support ridgid tap?
[06:44:09] <jthornton> of course
[06:44:14] <rmu|w> pink_vampire: it can
[06:45:15] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[06:45:21] <pink_vampire> I have a step / dir servo. that is going to be my spindle
[06:45:43] <Tom_L> pink_vampire sure it can
[06:45:49] <XXCoder> jthornton: is that tool hold and release servo?
[06:46:00] <XXCoder> or spindle encoder
[06:46:05] <jthornton> spindle encoder for tapping
[06:46:24] <XXCoder> nice
[06:47:11] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[06:47:13] <pink_vampire> but how I configure the servo to work as my spindle?
[06:47:13] <Tom_L> even on a sherline: https://www.youtube.com
[06:47:19] <jthornton> thanks that was fun to make
[06:48:07] <pink_vampire> but the tapping is like a C axis?
[06:48:17] <Tom_L> G33 iirc
[06:48:54] <Tom_L> G33.1
[06:48:55] <jthornton> tapping is Z coordinated with spindle rpm and pitch
[06:49:01] <pink_vampire> how do you make M6 thread?
[06:49:22] <Tom_L> how far in z does it move in 1 turn?
[06:49:34] <pink_vampire> 1mm for 1 rev
[06:49:38] <jthornton> what ever the pitch is
[06:49:47] <pink_vampire> 1mm Z per 1 rev in the spindle
[06:50:22] <jthornton> pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org
[06:50:24] <Tom_L> that's the K value
[06:51:21] <XXCoder> why why why do people always out in rapid in z and either x or y at same time?
[06:51:25] <Tom_L> position the XY first
[06:51:48] <XXCoder> no, z when tool is still down in part :)
[06:52:29] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: but ho i configure the servo to act as spindle??
[06:53:07] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:53:12] <Tom_L> it's in there somewhere
[06:53:50] <Tom_L> net spindle-velocity hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.01.velocity => near.0.in2 scale.0.in motion.spindle-speed-in
[06:53:50] <Tom_L> net spindle-index-enable motion.spindle-index-enable <=> hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.01.index-enable
[06:53:54] <Tom_L> i believe
[06:54:25] <pink_vampire> your encoder as connected to linux cnc?
[06:54:33] <pink_vampire> was*
[06:54:38] <Tom_L> motion.spindle-speed-in
[06:54:45] <Tom_L> yes
[06:55:33] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:55:36] <pink_vampire> in my case it is basically very fast C axis
[06:55:37] <Tom_L> thanks to an old printer :D
[06:56:34] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:56:35] <pink_vampire> it is very similar setup,
[06:56:37] <Tom_L> updated it to that
[06:57:03] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:57:09] <Tom_L> 500cpr iirc
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[07:01:43] <miss0r> I am living in a shipment black hole at the moment :S
[07:01:59] <pink_vampire> miss0r: what do you mean?
[07:02:08] <miss0r> I have 6 deliveries hanging outwhere somewhere, all quite delayed
[07:02:20] * miss0r is going nuts waiting :)
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[07:03:11] <miss0r> One; A set of angle blocks sent from the UK got lost in mail. So the seller sent me another one with TNT express, whom have not, apparently, lost it
[07:03:21] <miss0r> well, they don't quite know where it is atleast.
[07:04:44] <XXCoder> miss0r: deliveries go half the distance it traveled yeserday and again next day
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[07:04:50] <XXCoder> so it takes a little while
[07:05:44] <miss0r> at that rate, it will never get here...asymptote
[07:06:19] <XXCoder> up to a point, then you could just step to slowly moving deliveryperson and just take it :)
[07:06:49] <miss0r> Also.. I've ordered some converters from bulgaria.. I realy hope they get here at some point :) I have some trust issues when it comes to that particular country...
[07:11:54] <miss0r> XXCoder: Sure.. but that could take forever.. close to anyway
[07:12:17] <XXCoder> lol yeah. halving gets it close to your home pretty fast
[07:12:29] <XXCoder> suppose new york to me, hmm lemme see map
[07:12:49] <XXCoder> lets see, first day its middle of usa
[07:12:59] <XXCoder> 3rd day its in washington state
[07:13:33] <XXCoder> 4th middle of washington
[07:13:45] <XXCoder> 5th day it finally crosses into west wa
[07:13:58] <XXCoder> 8th day it enters tacoma
[07:14:32] <XXCoder> 15th day its couple blocks away
[07:14:37] <miss0r> lol
[07:14:42] <XXCoder> I'd just walk across by then
[07:15:27] <miss0r> the tappinghead I sent fragalot yesterday, only moved one city over, here in Denmark
[07:15:44] <XXCoder> fromt of my house by 20th day
[07:16:05] <miss0r> so.. aehm.. They are *not even* moving � the distance a day 'round 'ere
[07:16:09] <XXCoder> time length grows exponentally as person crosses my driveway
[07:16:17] <miss0r> hehe
[07:16:56] <miss0r> The scraper he sent me is still stuck in belgium. Even though it was sent friday
[07:22:33] <jthornton> miss0r: looks like your package cleared customs today
[07:23:32] <miss0r> jthornton: yeah. I had to call them about that, so they could sent me an invoice. But it should be out for delievery tomorrow or the day after
[07:23:54] <jthornton> cool
[07:25:27] <miss0r> I can't wait to get started with this. Perhaps I should start reding up on how the hell to program it with linuxcnc :)
[07:25:39] * miss0r has no clue where to even start :D
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[07:26:13] <miss0r> jthornton: Also; You mentioned running a latency test a machine with the linuxcnc liveCD. How do I go about that?
[07:26:50] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
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[07:27:48] <miss0r> I've already downloaded the image. Haven't burned it to a CD yet, though.
[07:28:05] <flyback> eww cd
[07:28:08] * flyback bites miss0r
[07:28:20] <miss0r> wtf! :D
[07:28:31] <jthornton> just boot from the cd and run the latency test or from the terminal you can run the latency-histogram
[07:28:34] <miss0r> Do I need a DVD to fit it? (I can't even remember the size)
[07:28:50] <flyback> oh you just mean installer
[07:28:55] <flyback> still you should use a flash drive or something
[07:28:58] <flyback> much eaiser :P
[07:29:07] <miss0r> heathen!
[07:29:12] <flyback> BMCC
[07:29:17] <miss0r> jthornton: What am I looking for in terms of results?
[07:29:21] * flyback THROWS a canadian at miss0r
[07:29:24] <jthornton> yea the cd size days are long gone
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[07:29:59] <miss0r> flyback: Now thats pretty offensive! What did that canadian ever do to you?! :)
[07:30:09] <miss0r> meh.. DVD it is then
[07:31:14] <flyback> tons of bad sci fi in the 90's
[07:31:19] <flyback> that's what canada did to me
[07:31:33] <flyback> and justin beiber and celine diod
[07:31:37] <miss0r> hehe
[07:31:48] <miss0r> Had you started with Justin Beiber, I would have accepted
[07:31:55] <miss0r> I like celine, though
[07:33:16] <miss0r> jthornton: But are these results even worth anything to me, when using servos?
[07:35:05] <jthornton> yea if you have terrible latency it can affect servos as well... still looking for the numbers that pcw gave me
[07:36:00] <jthornton> best to run the latency-histogram --no-base
[07:36:01] <miss0r> so to sum up our conversations from the past few weeks: No CPU throttle & a low jitter value is what I want?
[07:37:25] <jthornton> yea < 100,000 IRC is fine for jitter
[07:38:22] <miss0r> Excellent. I will go look for computer hardware soon (visiting my friends computer store)
[07:40:49] <flyback> I dunno why you guys don't combine a linux pc with some arduinos for cnc work
[07:41:04] <jthornton> CPU/network latency on Preempt-RT is affected more by CPU horsepower than RTAI so very low power CPUs
[07:41:04] <jthornton> Like the older Intel Atoms (D525 etc) that worked well with RTAI do not do well with Preempt-RT
[07:41:04] <flyback> let the arduinos handle the nanosecond timing of motors etc
[07:41:15] <jthornton> saw that from pcw on the forum
[07:42:11] <miss0r> jthornton: The network part would only be interresting to me, if I used the network based mesa units, correct?
[07:42:21] <jthornton> miss0r: that is the wrong link let me find the uspace one
[07:42:40] <jthornton> yea, I forget what did you order?
[07:43:00] <flyback> seriously mcu's are diry cheap
[07:43:13] * flyback bites jthornton for good measure
[07:44:10] <miss0r> jthornton: 7i77-6i25 PLUG-N-GO KIT & 7i64
[07:44:21] <flyback> someone should write a slave libary for mcu's to work wiht linuxcnc
[07:44:31] <miss0r> flyback: Whynot you ? D:
[07:44:36] <jthornton> ok you can use the rtai cd then
[07:44:41] <flyback> im done
[07:44:54] <flyback> grandma is about to die and I am going to have to move so I am tossing half of my shit
[07:45:08] <flyback> i might decide I had enough of this planet after 44 yrs while I am at it
[07:45:15] <CaptHindsight> friends don't let friends use *duinos
[07:45:20] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[07:45:24] <flyback> doesn't have to be a duino
[07:45:28] <flyback> CaptCANUCK
[07:45:58] <miss0r> jthornton: It seems more and more apparent to me, that I know too little at this point: :)
[07:45:58] <CaptHindsight> yap yap yap yap
[07:46:43] <jthornton> are you getting a new motherboard or a used one?
[07:47:15] <miss0r> jthornton: I'm thinking a new one. I will go test a few different ones and find a suitable candidate
[07:47:44] <jthornton> ok, it's been a while since I looked for a motherboard
[07:47:47] <miss0r> also, can you link me to somewhere I can read about the different versions of the latest dist. I have no idea what rtai is
[07:48:06] <miss0r> I'll take notes of the ones I test, should anyone be interrested
[07:49:14] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[07:50:17] <jthornton> if your doing software step generation you have to use rtai if your using a Mesa Ethernet card you have to use preempt
[07:51:37] <miss0r> jthornton: Correct me if I am wrong: But running servos, I will not be doing any stepping, software or hardware?
[07:51:39] <CaptHindsight> he's using a PCI/e FPGA
[07:52:30] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: just kill all the power management, speed stepping etc in the BIOS and run the latency test
[07:52:39] <CaptHindsight> not too big a deal...
[07:53:03] <miss0r> Indeed. I figured that part ;) I'll just quit asking questions in here, and dig into some manuals.
[07:53:34] <miss0r> I'll have plenty of questions to go 'round after I've started putting it together & have some programming of linuxcnc to do
[07:54:58] <jthornton> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[07:55:03] <jthornton> miss0r: right
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[07:56:47] <XXCoder> flyback: sucks
[07:57:59] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: I recall you told me there was 2 things to kill in bios, power management and something else
[07:58:09] <flyback> speedstep probably
[08:01:40] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: it usually doesent matter though
[08:02:20] <Loetmichel> the last few PCs i have set up with linuxCNC it made no difference at all if powermanagement and speedstep was on or off
[08:02:33] <Loetmichel> neither for latency nor for lost steps
[08:02:45] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:04:07] <Loetmichel> i know that some older IBM/lenovo notebooks had extremly nasty (NMI) power management interrupts that made them pretty much unusable for LinuxCNC on the LPT, but that was the last time i noticed any difference.
[08:08:12] <flyback> again why do we do this with pc's
[08:08:30] <flyback> use a pc for the brain the executive etc but have the actuators running mcu's with a rtos
[08:08:43] <flyback> pc
[08:08:51] <flyback> are not low latency and linux is not a rtos
[08:09:09] <flyback> this makes less sense than me trying to father children
[08:09:49] <SpeedEvil> Because meaningless semantic arguments are utterly pointless compared to what actually in fact works.
[08:10:09] <flyback> I trust you
[08:10:54] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: thank you
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[08:11:11] <flyback> Loetmichel, BMCC
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[08:12:00] <Loetmichel> If that is an insult: maybe try to use one that is understood worldwide next time.
[08:15:24] <XXCoder> best man caught cats
[08:20:50] <miss0r> jees. I leave you guys for 5 minuts to take a shit & this place turns into a war zone...
[08:21:01] <miss0r> okay... maybe 15 minuts. but still
[08:22:14] <Loetmichel> war zone?
[08:22:15] <Loetmichel> where?
[08:22:27] <rmu|w> this channel is stupid
[08:22:53] <miss0r> :]
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[08:23:59] <miss0r> I'm somewhat falling in love with the idea of using a micro-itx motherboard(witheverything on there from factory).
[08:24:16] <miss0r> Alot of people are saying nice things about a few of'em on various linux cnc threads
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[08:43:12] <miss0r> Can linuxCNC utilize more than one core? or would I just be wasting money, CPU wise?
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[08:44:18] <flyback> miss0r, THERE IS also intel nuc
[08:44:25] <flyback> and several other nice single board computers
[08:44:40] <flyback> <rmu|w> this channel is stupid
[08:44:42] <flyback> and you are canadian
[08:44:52] <miss0r> Do you have any refrence how well they fare in the latency test?
[08:45:01] <flyback> no sorry :(
[08:45:08] <flyback> but some sbc's you can get with isa etc
[08:45:27] <flyback> I have a geode board with 2 lpt 4 com, 4 gpio and a isa slot
[08:45:34] <flyback> but linux takes 20 mins to boot from a live cd
[08:45:37] <flyback> it's not quick :/
[08:46:12] <miss0r> realy? ISA slot? :)
[08:46:20] <flyback> yeah
[08:46:41] <miss0r> Cute
[08:46:44] <flyback> they make some core2 etc boards with isa but I think it's a usb to isa bridge or a pci to isa bridge
[08:46:46] <flyback> the usb ones suck
[08:46:59] <miss0r> The issue with the NUCs are they they do not support PCIe
[08:47:02] <flyback> they are ok if you want to save a $10,000 SPECIALIZED card but blah
[08:47:04] <gregcnc> j1900 work well, i think it's what tormach is using these days
[08:47:07] <miss0r> The ones that i've found, anyway
[08:47:08] <flyback> what
[08:47:10] <flyback> nics are all pci-e
[08:47:15] <flyback> nucs
[08:47:31] <flyback> some have a slot you could run to a breakout board
[08:47:49] <miss0r> gregcnc: j1900... Searching
[08:48:00] <flyback> I wasn't bashing linux or using a pc for cnc
[08:48:01] <flyback> not at all
[08:48:30] <flyback> I was just saying if we are struggling to get sub nanosecond timing it might be easier to use a mcu per motor and that be slaved to a linuxcnc box
[08:49:27] <miss0r> gregcnc: I wonder if they are using celeron because it gives relatively good results at a cheap price, or because it is hands down the best. I'm guessing the first one
[08:50:13] <gregcnc> i think best is hard to quantify in our case
[08:50:19] <flyback> you guys probably want to disable spectre/meltdown fixes for cnc stuff
[08:50:43] <miss0r> gregcnc: sure. What are you running?
[08:51:03] <gregcnc> bahahaha, p3 900mhz 512mb ram
[08:51:18] <miss0r> Probally excellent for the job at hand :)
[08:51:46] <miss0r> I don't mind using old hardware for projects. But as I am already balls deep into spending money on this, I wouldn't want to cheap out when it comes to the computer hardware
[08:53:43] <gregcnc> my lathe build started with the same + mesa this time, might try an hp sff, 8100 i think. i tested it with Lcnc a while ago
[08:54:12] <miss0r> From what I read online HP machines usualy does not fare too well with linuxcnc
[08:57:14] <gregcnc> it varies, this box if the fan hits full speed, i get a 500us+ spike
[08:57:31] <miss0r> :]
[08:57:46] <gregcnc> this was recommended on lcnc forumshttps://www.gigabyte.com
[08:57:52] <gregcnc> https://www.gigabyte.com
[08:58:47] <flyback> miss0r, btw
[08:59:01] <flyback> check out the radio controlled car server power supply thread
[08:59:07] <flyback> they are dirt cheap or free
[08:59:13] <rmu|w> miss0r: maximal flexible architecture would be using mesa boards connected via ethernet
[08:59:16] <flyback> I have one it's 12 volts at 50 amps
[08:59:18] <flyback> err 60
[08:59:26] <flyback> and a small amount of 3.3v standby power
[08:59:34] <flyback> plus it has smbus so I can monitor load, temp etc
[08:59:35] <miss0r> gregcnc: The only annoying bart about that thing: no pcie opening in the box
[08:59:49] <flyback> those forums show you how to wire them to turn on etc without a server
[09:00:00] <miss0r> flyback: sure.. I have two 12v dc 236A PSUs on a shelf next to me
[09:00:04] <gregcnc> i think everyone using j1900 is using ethernet
[09:00:31] <miss0r> gregcnc: I felt more comfortable with using the pcie card :)
[09:00:52] <flyback> https://www.mouser.com
[09:00:54] <flyback> not a bad price
[09:01:00] <miss0r> rmu|w: yeah. Perhaps that was the road I should've walked, in hinsight. but nevertheless, I didnt :)
[09:01:47] <miss0r> flyback: Not too bad no
[09:02:00] <flyback> ooo that one is dc input also
[09:02:01] * flyback drools
[09:02:22] <miss0r> flyback: as oposed to the more common AC input ones?`:D
[09:02:41] <flyback> well no as oppsed to normal ac input psu connected to it
[09:03:00] <flyback> dc ones are nice for alt power projects or getting a dc output ups with a insanely long runtime
[09:03:01] <miss0r> I'm thinking I'll get a proper powerful one. And just feel the joy of a fast boot. :)
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[09:03:16] <flyback> they make fast sbc's
[09:03:31] <flyback> advantech
[09:03:33] <flyback> soekris
[09:03:38] * flyback thinks
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[09:03:48] <flyback> supermicro (they may be going under)
[09:04:04] <flyback> alix
[09:04:07] <miss0r> that would make me sad. I've always liked their barebone servers
[09:04:26] <flyback> yeah we do too at work but they got delisted
[09:04:42] <flyback> I been waiting for a bios update for spectre/meltdown and it looks like they are in trouble
[09:04:47] <flyback> their web page keeps timing out etc
[09:05:11] <miss0r> jthornton: How many pci-lanes for that 6i25 require?
[09:05:43] <flyback> sorry
[09:05:44] <flyback> not alix
[09:05:47] <flyback> it's called pc engines
[09:05:50] <flyback> my bad
[09:05:53] * flyback is going senile at 44
[09:06:32] <flyback> miss0r, https://www.pcengines.ch
[09:07:03] <flyback> man staples had 120gb ssd's for $40
[09:07:04] <miss0r> looks cute
[09:07:05] <flyback> I missed it
[09:08:05] <flyback> oh the pc engines do coreboot
[09:08:06] <flyback> nice
[09:08:29] <flyback> I partially ported coreboot to that geode
[09:08:39] <flyback> but it's all wrong interrupts etc but it did boot linux
[09:08:49] <flyback> something the stock bios wouldn't do cause it set dma wrong etc
[09:09:06] <flyback> I need to put a bios socket on it so I can keep testing code
[09:09:25] <flyback> mabye one of those 2 to 1 switcher hacks
[09:09:31] <flyback> so I can swap between 2 bios chips
[09:10:14] <flyback> with coreboot you can hard wire it always to be to serial console no matter what
[09:10:17] <flyback> cmos battery dead etc
[09:10:25] <flyback> you never need a full video port, keyboard etc
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[09:17:47] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i use LinuxCNC on a 2.8ghz core2 duo.. and it can move the machine in LPT mode, parallel encoding the USB webcam AND send the desktop via VNC to a remote machine... https://www.youtube.com
[09:18:32] <flyback> they do make pci and pci-e lpt ports
[09:18:33] <Loetmichel> so while linuxCNC only uses one (pseudo-realtime) core (as far as i know) there IS reason to have more than one core... and be it just to have the GUI be responive
[09:18:44] <flyback> the only thing that won't work is ecp dma which I don't think anyone uses anyways
[09:18:53] <flyback> because ecp dma used isa mode dma which is GAY
[09:19:15] <jthornton> miss0r: its a small pcie plug
[09:19:20] <Loetmichel> ecp DMA was fine with the LPT port ZIPs... no idea for what one use it today...
[09:19:24] <Loetmichel> though
[09:19:49] <miss0r> It would seem I can get just about anything as long as I can disable the power saving options..
[09:19:53] <miss0r> Excellent.
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[09:21:24] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i just ordered two of these for two new CNC 6040 here at the company: https://www.itsco.de
[09:21:29] <Loetmichel> so far they work well
[09:21:54] <Loetmichel> only installed linuxCNC on them and did a short test though because the machine housings are not built yet
[09:22:07] <miss0r> Indeed. I am looking at the ASROCK J4105M at the moment. reading its manual, it seems I have the needed setting options in the bios
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[09:34:43] <JT-Shop> miss0r: pcw_home would know what current motherboards are good
[09:35:44] <miss0r> JT-Shop: I've already ordered one :) It was mentioned in a few threads as being quite good, and the manual states that it can disable all sorts of ridiculous powersaving stuff. So, I gave it a shot.
[09:36:52] <miss0r> I ordered: 1x PSU 1x 4GB ram 1x motherboard w. cpu 1x 120gb SSD.
[09:37:14] <miss0r> All of which can be reused(other than the motherboard) if the motherboard should fail me
[09:40:55] <miss0r> I'll take the measurements and send them in, so they can be added to the list
[09:42:52] <miss0r> Better go pick up the kid. See you around
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[11:08:02] <HexaCube> what do you guys do with your Z-axis when using ballscrews to prevent it from sacking when the machine is off?
[11:08:02] <Deejay> re
[11:08:06] <HexaCube> or do you just live with that?
[11:08:35] <jdh> add a brake?
[11:10:31] <HexaCube> hmmm
[11:11:21] <jdh> my steppers hold the Z unpowered
[11:11:44] <HexaCube> even with ballscrews? I might try and see if it holds, then
[11:23:57] <cradek> my big machine has a counterweight on chains and pulleys and it balances
[11:24:42] <cradek> I think it's bad if the servo has to hold up the weight
[11:25:29] <HexaCube> mhhhm well my axis isn't really gonna be that heavy
[11:25:33] <HexaCube> maybe 3kg tops? :D
[11:26:11] <cradek> heh the counterweight on mine is a chunk of lead the size of a suitcase
[11:26:25] <HexaCube> O_O
[11:26:26] <HexaCube> wow
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[11:42:15] <flyback> sorry I had to go to my autism meettin and forgot I was chatting with you miss0r
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[12:12:28] <HexaCube> sooo, how uniform is aluminum sheet stock in general?
[12:12:43] <HexaCube> or well, sheet stock, be it steel or alu
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[12:23:38] <fragalot> hi
[12:24:31] <robotustra> Could somebody tell me what is the sequence of linuxcnc boot? Or where is it described?
[12:25:15] <robotustra> who run different modules and who starts gui?
[12:25:39] <HexaCube> hey fragalot o/
[12:27:30] <robotustra> is it all described in docs/src/user/starting-linuxcnc.txt?
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[12:37:08] <robotustra> ? If I need to add my gui to lcnc I need to modify src/emc/usr_intf/Submakefile and add compiling options there?
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[12:43:37] <miss0r> fragalot: hello
[12:44:05] <robotustra> it seems I got it right
[12:44:48] <miss0r> fragalot: It seems your package has finally reached Denmark. The one I sent you is still mulling around in the same warehouse(acording to the latest timestamp)
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[12:51:01] <JT-Shop> robotustra: you would have to read the code
[12:51:45] <robotustra> JT-Shop, of emc.cc?
[12:52:24] <robotustra> JT-Shop, do you want to tell me that linuxcnc is poorly documented for developers?
[12:52:38] <JT-Shop> lol
[12:52:47] <JT-Shop> developers just read the code
[12:53:10] <JT-Shop> might be some info in the documents in the user interface section
[12:53:52] <JT-Shop> read the python interface
[12:54:23] * JT-Shop just noticed that the developer section is not in the pdf
[12:54:26] <robotustra> I already got how to add UI, and may be got the linixcnc booting sequrnce too..
[12:54:36] <gloops> these look ok https://www.ebay.co.uk
[12:56:23] <robotustra> JT-Shop, I don't want any python interface, I'm writing own qt/c++ interface
[12:58:02] <robotustra> which will be connected not via pyVCP or glade
[12:58:14] <JT-Shop> go to #hazzy and ask they are doing the same thing
[12:58:29] <Rab> gloops, teflon-coated aluminum with plastic nut. Not super heavy duty.
[12:58:35] <robotustra> not sure if the same
[12:59:05] <robotustra> do their gui will connect through network to HAL?
[12:59:21] <gloops> Rab..no, i kinda guessed that with the philips head screws
[12:59:35] <Rab> The guides might be plastic as well, can't tell from the specs.
[12:59:43] <JT-Shop> robotustra: you need to ask them not me
[13:01:50] <gloops> Rab they are pretty expensive though lol https://prototypes.haydonkerk.com
[13:01:56] <gloops> more expensive than rollon
[13:02:13] <robotustra> JT-Shop, they are doing yet_another_python_thing
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[13:02:34] <robotustra> and I would like to have a c/c++ thing
[13:03:55] <Rab> gloops, expensive compared to chinesium, but a bargain compared to name brand linear bearing slides. Very low design loads though. I'd guess maybe they're meant for optical benches or similar duty.
[13:05:04] <gloops> $500 for a single foot long rail?
[13:05:50] <gloops> i paid £200 for 3 sets of rails and ballscrews 4 ft lol
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[14:18:35] <Tom_L> ok what would you start at for a feedrate on a .03125 endmill at 4k rpm for full width cutting in aluminum?
[14:19:12] <Tom_L> carbide
[14:19:32] <cradek> I bet that just won't work without some more spindle speed
[14:20:30] <Tom_L> probably around 4 ipm maybe
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[14:23:18] <Tom_L> i used em to cut all my plastic hammond enclosures but nothing aluminum yet
[14:24:00] <Tom_L> the .0625 cutter works good at 4k 6ipm
[14:32:03] <Tom_L> these only have a .093" DOC
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[14:46:35] <infornography> recommend me a PCIe parallel port card to use with the linuxcnc
[14:47:01] <infornography> I read "but very few cards are compatible with EPP, which is used with parallel port connected FPGA signal generators and controllers.
[14:47:01] <infornography> "
[14:47:12] <Tom_L> pcie and parallel port?
[14:47:19] <Tom_L> oh nevermind
[14:47:42] * Tom_L was thinking mesa cards
[14:48:08] <infornography> that makes it sound like it will be a pain, but I just want to use it for general I/O
[14:48:22] <infornography> relays and buttons and stuff
[14:48:25] <Tom_L> what cards are you using?
[14:48:46] <Tom_L> or are you using a parallel port
[14:48:48] <infornography> the DB25 on the motherboard ATM
[14:49:18] <infornography> I was thinking about adding a second one
[14:50:56] <infornography> Is a mesa pretty easy to setup?
[14:51:13] <HexaCube> something I'm wondering. Is it possible at all to get a rusty piece of equipment back to usable condition while still maintaining flat surfaces?
[14:51:21] <HexaCube> flat/square/precise
[14:51:23] <Tom_L> easy as anything
[14:51:40] <Tom_L> since you have a parallel port i'd look at the 7i90
[14:52:17] <Tom_L> and a daughter card for it or a bob or something
[14:53:35] <CaptHindsight> infornography: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
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[14:55:24] <CaptHindsight> infornography: if the PP card is for non-realtime then any will work, even USB --> PP
[14:56:05] <infornography> oh sweet, I have options then, thanks
[15:01:35] <fragalot> miss0r: they must be having a secret meeting
[15:08:53] <JT-Shop> infornography: yes Mesa cards are pretty straight forward to setup, which one are you thinking about?
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[15:10:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.chemistryworld.com fun stuff
[15:13:29] <fragalot> weird
[15:13:30] <infornography> JT-Shop: I have no idea, just started looking at them.
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[15:13:53] <JT-Shop> is it a stepper machine?
[15:15:03] <infornography> yes
[15:15:26] <JT-Shop> this is a new lower cost stepper solution https://mesaus.com
[15:16:03] <JT-Shop> if you don't need all the I/O a 7i76e has the 7i96 is a lot more cost effective
[15:16:31] * JT-Shop sees that break second is over with and heads back to making sparks
[15:17:51] <infornography> Doing this stuff over ethernet seems amazing to me.
[15:18:33] <fragalot> ethernet is very high bandwidth, and if it's dedicated it's also easy to do realtime packets over
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[15:21:34] <infornography> https://cdn.discordapp.com
[15:25:50] <infornography> I need a sugar-mama to help pay for all these cool toys
[15:26:28] <fragalot> lol
[15:28:29] <gloops> dont do it
[15:32:47] <XXCoder> very green
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[15:42:28] <gloops> well, nobody building who needs expert technical advice tonight
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[15:44:58] <infornography> I could use some expert technical advice in a to-go bag for later.
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[16:09:47] * fragalot loves machines like this: https://imgur.com
[16:12:04] <HexaCube> https://i.imgur.com
[16:12:05] <HexaCube> :P
[16:12:11] <HexaCube> fragalot: how about this ^
[16:12:31] <XXCoder> tiny machine
[16:12:32] <HexaCube> and I keep thinking our CNC machines are heavy with like... 50 tons top
[16:12:34] <fragalot> that's a big boy, :D
[16:12:34] <XXCoder> jk heh
[16:12:38] <HexaCube> the gantry alone of that thing ways over 100 tons
[16:13:12] <XXCoder> HexaCube: for any machine type theres ricious version of it
[16:13:18] <HexaCube> oh, just the horizontal beam is 100t+
[16:13:22] <HexaCube> not the whole gantry
[16:13:24] <XXCoder> theres presses that can press to one million tons
[16:13:29] <XXCoder> not pounds, tons
[16:13:38] <HexaCube> yeah, nuts
[16:14:23] <HexaCube> and after working at the company for a year I still didn't see how they get the big machines on a truck
[16:14:24] <HexaCube> :(
[16:14:29] <fragalot> in pieces
[16:14:34] <HexaCube> nope
[16:14:45] <XXCoder> yeah theres always eyehook attachments somewhere in parts
[16:14:49] <HexaCube> no no
[16:14:50] <HexaCube> the thing is
[16:14:56] <HexaCube> the largest crane I saw so far was for 35 tons
[16:15:01] <fragalot> There is zero chance that the machine you just showed fits onto a single truck
[16:15:06] <HexaCube> fragalot: no no
[16:15:09] <HexaCube> the machines *we* make
[16:15:12] <fragalot> Ah
[16:15:30] <HexaCube> they weigh up to 50 tons but they're put as a whole on a truck, but I *never* saw a crane large enough to lift it
[16:15:45] <HexaCube> actually
[16:15:51] <fragalot> 2 cranes, or rent a larger one?
[16:15:58] <XXCoder> maybe they have special lift system to put it in place
[16:16:00] <HexaCube> i just realised how they do it
[16:16:13] <fragalot> what machines do you guys make anyway
[16:16:35] <HexaCube> 5 axis cnc centers
[16:16:48] <fragalot> brand?
[16:16:58] <HexaCube> Grob
[16:17:49] <HexaCube> https://www.grobgroup.com
[16:18:07] <HexaCube> from that up to this: https://www.grobgroup.com
[16:19:01] <fragalot> we're currently looking at machines with at least 1800x800mm working area
[16:19:10] <fragalot> Z height 1200
[16:19:35] <HexaCube> mhmm, the G1050 would be 1600x1700x1540
[16:19:39] <HexaCube> not quite large enough
[16:19:49] <fragalot> also no real need for 5 axis for what we do
[16:20:07] <HexaCube> well that one comes as a 4 axis aswell
[16:20:20] <fragalot> current one we're looking at is the rittal perforex series
[16:20:37] <fragalot> but i'm a bit afraid that that thing is going to be a one trick pony (because it is)
[16:20:42] <HexaCube> (but to be fair, I just know a few random bits about our machines so far, I'm in an apprenticeship)
[16:21:38] <HexaCube> also i dunno how expensive or cheap our machines are in comparison with other manufacturers
[16:22:19] <fragalot> given the focus appears to be precision multi-axis.. doubt it's cheap :-)
[16:22:37] <HexaCube> i think the smallest (the G350) starts at around 350 grand
[16:22:54] <fragalot> yea, we're trying to stay under 300
[16:23:12] <HexaCube> But we're leader in the automobile sector, that much I do know
[16:29:46] <fragalot> heh just saw something i've never thought of before that makes so much sense
[16:30:10] <fragalot> simple bolt with a hole drilled through the middle to use as a drill guide to drill out broken recessed bolts
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[16:37:00] <XXCoder> not bad
[16:40:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[16:57:05] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:03:34] <robotustra> has a question
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[20:04:43] <robotustra> when I try to home axii in emulator, I can home X,Y but when I home Z axis I get "Cannot home while shared home switsh is closed"
[20:05:06] <robotustra> what I should modify in ini file to fix this error?
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[20:11:51] <Wolf__> might be set up as shared home switch, might need to back one of the axis off after homing
[20:13:38] <robotustra> no
[20:13:45] <robotustra> I just got the answer!
[20:13:55] <Wolf__> what was it?
[20:14:01] <robotustra> Z axis should be homed FIRST
[20:14:17] <Wolf__> makes sense lol
[20:14:58] <robotustra> I mean I'm not sure that it's right answer but id does work :)
[20:15:22] <robotustra> I don't know if it's a bug or fiture
[20:16:17] <robotustra> and one more thing: the manual example for linuxcncrsh is incorrect
[20:16:26] <robotustra> it should be fixed
[20:16:43] <robotustra> who is fixing it?
[20:17:07] <Wolf__> real life usually home Z first so you dont crash it in to the vise when homing x/y
[20:19:38] <robotustra> the example about linuxcncrsh tells that "set machine on" works before "set estop off" but it's incorrect
[20:19:43] <robotustra> it doesn't work
[20:19:59] <robotustra> here http://linuxcnc.org
[20:20:42] <robotustra> and "set mode manual" is not working before "set estop off"
[20:21:00] <robotustra> example is not good
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[21:48:19] <_unreal_> sup
[21:49:46] <pink_vampire> hi _unreal_
[21:50:21] <_unreal_> so annoying, I had a scab on my neck. I TOUCHED it, it fell off and now its a gusher WTF
[21:53:03] <robotustra> did you read instruction before use it?
[21:57:35] <pink_vampire> robotustra: LOL what??
[21:58:35] <robotustra> hm... sorry, I read "scrub" instead of scab
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[22:16:44] <_unreal_> hi pink_vampire
[22:17:35] <_unreal_> I should take a photo of the control box I'm building for the cnc machine
[22:17:57] <pink_vampire> sounds like a good idea to me
[22:20:41] <infornography> I like photos
[22:20:46] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[22:20:47] <_unreal_> uploading photos
[22:21:10] <_unreal_> interesting encoder wheels
[22:21:42] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com
[22:22:05] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com https://drive.google.com
[22:22:13] <pink_vampire> Tom_L: just get an encoder they about 20$
[22:22:26] <Tom_L> i don't need any
[22:22:35] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com
[22:22:43] <Tom_L> parts for someone
[22:22:51] <_unreal_> Tom_L, fight the power
[22:22:57] <_unreal_> err sell the power
[22:23:03] <_unreal_> lol
[22:23:17] <pink_vampire> _unreal_: interesting looking box
[22:24:11] <_unreal_> the box was an power system for a camera flash
[22:24:21] <infornography> The foot in the photo adds class
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[22:24:42] <_unreal_> originally it had hardware for driving a high power flash for a camera
[22:25:00] <_unreal_> yes a nice tan sandle foot
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[22:26:35] <_unreal_> approx the box is like 10"x14"x20"
[22:27:38] <robotustra> it looks like I can connect to linuxcncrsh using qtsocket
[22:28:04] <robotustra> it means that I can quite easy attach my gui to linuxcnc
[22:28:08] <_unreal_> linunxxnxrsh?
[22:28:48] <_unreal_> I dont know what that means
[22:29:10] <Tom_L> then you don't need one
[22:30:59] <robotustra> it's a console client to linuxcnc
[22:31:11] <infornography> rsh? Can you linuxcnc via terminal?
[22:31:16] <robotustra> yes
[22:31:22] <infornography> O:
[22:31:56] <robotustra> you can run linuxcncrsh instead of any gui or in parallel
[22:32:17] <robotustra> and send commands directly from console to linuxcnc
[22:32:29] <robotustra> and see what's going on in GUI
[22:36:20] <robotustra> infornography, linuxcncrsh is in the packet
[22:40:13] <infornography> very cool
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[22:57:32] <infornography> what sort of dial indicator stands are the cool kids using?
[22:58:14] <pink_vampire> infornography: hat do you mean?
[22:58:21] <Wolf__> mag base? noga
[23:00:49] <infornography> The stuff I'm playing with at home is mostly aluminum so a mag base doesn't stick, It has me looking at bases.
[23:01:11] <pink_vampire> O_o
[23:01:13] <Wolf__> then pick a surface gauge
[23:01:50] <Wolf__> or a height gage + indicator holder
[23:02:45] <pink_vampire> infornography: what are you trying to measure?
[23:03:13] <Wolf__> how would be better question
[23:04:32] <infornography> I was measuring backlash the other day. I bolted a 123 block to the table to get the base to stick.
[23:05:38] <pink_vampire> i can't see a problem with what you did.
[23:05:59] <Wolf__> normal practice
[23:06:35] <infornography> noga looks fancy
[23:07:05] <Wolf__> I used a 123 block + my noga and a .0001” DTI to check my surface plate for holes
[23:07:22] <pink_vampire> noga is just a mag base
[23:07:51] <Wolf__> very quality mag base
[23:07:58] <infornography> There was no problem, just curious what people are using
[23:08:31] <Wolf__> I use lots of things, kinda depends on what I’m trying to measure lol
[23:08:33] <pink_vampire> I have one cheap grizzly that work very nice
[23:11:41] <Wolf__> I have a china mag base but I love the noga https://i.imgur.com
[23:14:55] <infornography> I've never used a base with arms like that, it looks fancy
[23:15:11] <infornography> *add to cart
[23:15:20] <Wolf__> lol
[23:15:22] <pink_vampire> so how did you use it??
[23:16:14] <Wolf__> ?
[23:17:47] <infornography> are you putting a DRO on that?
[23:17:55] <infornography> in that image
[23:18:13] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com did =)
[23:18:14] <infornography> This is what I am used to https://media.midwayusa.com
[23:18:44] <Wolf__> yeah, I have one of those as well
[23:18:59] <Wolf__> and a starrett single knuckle
[23:20:11] <pink_vampire> infornography: it is not bad arm for indicate on a lathe but go with noga / noga style arm
[23:20:41] <Wolf__> not a bad thing to have more then one base anyways
[23:20:54] <Wolf__> I have had times that I have needed 2
[23:22:08] <infornography> now if it would stick to aluminum
[23:22:30] <Wolf__> I still want to add a clamping bar so I can quickly mount a noga arm on my mill head, all rounded so mag bases dont stick well
[23:22:34] <pink_vampire> infornography: the flex joint can give you problems sometimes
[23:23:34] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: 3 ball magnets base??
[23:24:21] <infornography> Maybe a big steel washer, and a few strategically placed tapped holes
[23:24:34] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com look at the mill head, see anything flat on there lol
[23:25:27] <infornography> not sure if that is a desk or chest freezer
[23:25:43] <Wolf__> was a photo slide cabinet
[23:26:42] <infornography> I can't keep people from using the chest freezers as tables
[23:27:11] <Wolf__> flat surface = stuff magnet
[23:31:13] <pink_vampire> https://store.hexagonmetrology.us
[23:32:43] <infornography> qty 7, add to cart
[23:32:52] <pink_vampire> 7???????
[23:32:57] <infornography> go get loan
[23:34:11] <infornography> thats pretty expensive
[23:34:38] <pink_vampire> it's a base for a cmm arm
[23:34:45] <pink_vampire> infornography: https://www.youtube.com
[23:35:04] <Wolf__> I’ll probably spend 3x that sometime in the next week
[23:36:07] * Wolf__ needs a new shop tool
[23:36:10] <flyback> woot
[23:36:24] <flyback> I just upgraded two win7 boxes to 10 free and will do a 3rd soon
[23:36:32] <flyback> nice for stuff that needs windows
[23:36:54] <Wolf__> expect for the windows part =P
[23:37:19] <flyback> well I have lots of old dells that won't have 7 or 10 licences
[23:37:23] <flyback> those got linux on them :)
[23:37:55] <infornography> RIP windows 7
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