#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-09-05

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[01:13:58] <fragalot> hi
[01:14:02] <pink_vampire> hi
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[01:32:09] <ziper> im still on 7
[01:32:29] <ziper> every time i try and use 8 or 10 i want to kill myself
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[01:34:44] <ziper> when they drop support for 7 maybe then i will finally switch to linux
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[01:35:43] <_unreal_> just ordered my pendent https://www.amazon.com
[01:36:58] <Wolf__> nice, any reason you picked that one?
[01:37:05] <Wolf__> looks cool?
[01:37:09] <_unreal_> ziper, you must be talking about win10
[01:37:20] <_unreal_> Wolf__, suport for 6 axis
[01:37:25] <_unreal_> and wireless
[01:37:32] <Wolf__> in mach3
[01:37:37] <_unreal_> and linux
[01:37:57] <Wolf__> linuxcnc reviews I have seen on that one were less than stellar
[01:40:59] <_unreal_> Wolf__, truth be told I though about this one ;) https://www.youtube.com
[01:41:20] <Wolf__> lol
[01:41:46] <Wolf__> I have one of the HB-04 wireless, have yet to really play with it
[01:45:03] <_unreal_> almost 2am I should go to bed
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[02:25:35] <gloops> someone making a 6 axis?
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[02:47:25] <Deejay> moin
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[03:05:37] <_unreal_> gloops, I just purchased a nice 6 axis control pendent
[03:05:43] <_unreal_> just options for expansion
[03:06:22] <_unreal_> but other wise hay the 4 axis pendent was $120 and the 6 was 130 so hell why not
[03:06:56] <_unreal_> cant sleep btw
[03:08:20] <gloops> seems expensive unreal
[03:08:35] <pink_vampire> 120$ LOL
[03:08:39] <pink_vampire> why
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[03:09:43] <gloops> i dont know, i dont use one https://www.ebay.co.uk
[03:10:27] <pink_vampire> gloops: can you type commands with is?
[03:10:49] <gloops> no just a couple of knobs and wheel
[03:11:03] <gloops> not wireless
[03:11:40] <_unreal_> I didnt care aout the wireless
[03:11:55] <_unreal_> there just wasnt a wired 6 axis one
[03:12:01] <_unreal_> that I could find
[03:12:36] <gloops> only issue id have with wireless is that id constantly be putting it down and losing it lol
[03:13:08] <MarcelineVQ> main issue with wireless, aside from potential latency of commands actually being followed, is batteries are annoying
[03:15:22] <_unreal_> no argument
[03:15:58] <_unreal_> http://www.cdxhctech.com LOL
[03:16:18] <_unreal_> look at the bottom of the page where is says more details
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[03:26:47] <gloops> that does look a nice piece of kit though
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[03:38:34] <_unreal_> I wonder if I should have gotten this http://www.up-board.org instead of the tinker board?
[03:38:38] <_unreal_> only just found it
[03:42:32] <_unreal_> nope... the 4gb ram version is $200
[03:42:39] <_unreal_> I paid $50 for the tinker
[03:42:59] <_unreal_> and the up board does not have wifi, bt. and a number of other things. thinker has it all
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[05:06:35] <_unreal_> https://www.youtube.com good lord
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[05:08:32] <selroc> log
[05:08:33] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[05:43:08] <miss0r2> jthornton. I like that the brackets just got handed to me by the postman. I still haven't seen the package :D
[05:43:14] miss0r2 is now known as miss0r
[05:48:50] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:09] <jthornton> you got the din rail clips before the rest?
[05:49:12] <miss0r> morning. :)
[05:49:13] <miss0r> yeah
[05:49:22] <jthornton> weird
[05:49:32] <miss0r> nah.. Customs just released the rest this morning
[05:50:58] <jthornton> I guess because the brackets were in an envelope they passed customs faster?
[05:51:27] <miss0r> yeah. They hardly ever even consider looking at envelopes
[05:52:14] <jthornton> how was the envelope when it arrived?
[05:52:22] <XXCoder> boo
[05:52:49] <miss0r> intact. Hardly a bend in the cardboard you wrapped them to
[05:53:07] <jthornton> nice
[05:53:40] <jthornton> I was a bit worried using an envelope but a box shot it up to the next price level
[05:54:26] <miss0r> yeah, no need for that. but those brackets look sturdy enough. Even if they had treated it the way they usualy to parcels, I think it would've done fine
[05:54:37] <miss0r> to=do
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[05:54:52] <jthornton> cool
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[05:56:28] <miss0r> I ordered those converters for my linear scales from Sofia, bulgaria. It seems it is out for delievery today. I sure hope I didn't pay all that money for a brick in a box.. (always a little suspicious about doing buisness with that contry)
[05:59:06] <jthornton> lol
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[06:02:04] <miss0r> jthornton: I hope i'm not offending anyone in here by saying that Bulgaria is the Mexico of europe
[06:08:45] <jthornton> hmm the latest version of debian has python 3.4 and linux mint has 3.11+ wtf
[06:09:01] <MarcelineVQ> If you're willing to say that you're not really worried about offense anyway, and you shouldn't be
[06:09:10] <MarcelineVQ> *shouldn't be worried
[06:22:30] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:24:20] <jthornton> morning
[06:26:01] <Tom_L> others were 'test', upper left is a winner i think: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:28:52] <Tom_L> 73�F Hi 81
[06:30:35] <jthornton> 69°F hi 89°F
[06:30:46] <jthornton> rain the rest of this week
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[06:37:59] <XXCoder> will be 80f tomorrow ugh
[06:38:07] <XXCoder> then it drops hard into high 60s
[06:40:21] <miss0r> MarcelineVQ: Well, not completely true. Both statements are true; I hope I am not offending anyone, and bulgaria is the mexico of europe. While these are both accurate, I did not utter them to offend anyone, merely to clarify what I feel about bulgaria :)
[06:40:34] <miss0r> But should anyone be offended, that is on them :)
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[06:44:41] <MarcelineVQ> for me the word bulgaria has always had this sort of fantastical quality to it, like it's one of the made up country names used in movies
[06:47:28] <miss0r> For me it is usualy associated with organized crime
[06:52:45] <jthornton> XXCoder: send some of that cooler weather this way
[06:53:02] <rmu|w> for me, the countries that come to mind with organized crime are italy, wallstreet and moscow ;)
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[06:57:37] <XXCoder> jthornton: sure I will send that 80f tomorrow ;)
[07:00:55] <jthornton> :)
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[07:28:55] <jthornton> I've got python 3.5.6 on this pc but it's 32bit and there is no pip pyqt5 for 32 bit the debian 9 is 64 bit but python is 3.5.3 and there is no pip for pyqt5 for that version it requires 3.5.4 and on and on and on
[07:30:58] <jthornton> so I used pyenv to set the version to 3.5.6 but python --version still reports back 3.5.3 I give up
[07:31:51] <XXCoder> python sucks
[07:32:03] <XXCoder> tinkering with that may "brick" your opc
[07:32:19] <jthornton> so I try and update the docs and now they won't make because I don't have pango and cairo
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[07:32:21] <XXCoder> its amazing how brittle python is
[07:32:44] <jthornton> it's amazing how linux is just a dependency hell
[07:35:01] <jthornton> sunrise time to let the hens out
[07:39:12] <jthornton> configure: error: Python pango and cairo modules not found!
[07:39:12] <jthornton> install with "sudo apt-get install python-gtk2"
[07:39:21] <jthornton> python-gtk2 is already the newest version.
[07:39:26] <jthornton> LOL
[07:42:05] <miss0r> :]
[07:56:18] <jthornton> python 3.6 was released in 2000 so 17 years later debian is still using python 3.5.3
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[08:07:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: in python you MUST keep your indentation correct - it is part from the language
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[08:13:10] <rmu|w> jthornton: python 3.6 was released in 2016
[08:13:20] <jthornton> wow I have 278.3GB of crap on this pc
[08:13:42] <jthornton> hmm I must have misread the page
[08:14:24] <jthornton> oh that was 1.6 lol
[08:14:36] <jthornton> https://www.python.org
[08:15:26] <pink_vampire> I'm safe Python 2.7.15 2018-05-01
[08:17:34] <pink_vampire> https://www.brainyquote.com
[08:30:18] <miss0r> MY glass scale signal converters just got delievered! :) They are looking good: https://imgur.com
[08:31:02] <miss0r> I am very pleasantly surprised. Even though I ordered three units, they have taken the time and money to put them all in a din-rail mount, and even added all the plugs needed for wire them up in the box.
[08:31:04] * miss0r is happy
[08:32:06] <pink_vampire> what is "glass scale signal converters"
[08:32:22] <pink_vampire> i know what is a "glass scale"
[08:32:51] <miss0r> The glass scales I have on my maho.. well, the glass scale reader head, gives out a funky signal that is not straight forward to work with. These take care of that for me
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[08:33:54] <pink_vampire> so you convert it from funky to? non funky?
[08:34:01] <miss0r> Basically, yeah :)
[08:34:14] <pink_vampire> lol
[08:34:38] <miss0r> I can't remember the term for the 'funky' signal. But these put out RS422 or TTL. so, alot of options to interface with the mesa board
[08:34:45] <pink_vampire> i know there is ttl converters or funky to A B signal.
[08:36:00] <pink_vampire> i want to try load an AB glass scale as an encoder for the gecko 320x
[08:36:08] <miss0r> I had to order these from bulgaria. They are made specifically for the philips PE2480/10 & PE2520/10 found on the maho
[08:36:40] <miss0r> sounds like a fun project
[08:37:00] <pink_vampire> you have fancy stuff going on there
[08:37:34] <miss0r> I'm retrofitting my maho cnc. and as I use it in daily production, I do not want to cheap out
[08:38:04] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[08:38:31] <pink_vampire> i want to try something like that.. but it is 78$ experiment..
[08:40:01] <miss0r> well.. these three converters set me back ~$230usd a piece. plus a pretty pricy shipment
[08:41:20] <pink_vampire> what is the resolution of your glass scale?
[08:41:40] <miss0r> 1um
[08:41:57] <pink_vampire> that nice
[08:42:11] <miss0r> Part of the reason I'm paying big buck to keep'em
[08:42:54] <pink_vampire> the china stuff also go now to 1micron
[08:44:15] <miss0r> Some of them do, sure.
[08:44:28] <miss0r> But I would have to say; if I replaced them, I would not use glass scales.
[08:44:40] <pink_vampire> why?
[08:44:50] <pink_vampire> there is something better?
[08:44:53] <miss0r> I would go for the magnetic strip ones. Much cheaper, less setup, alot more rigid and not to mention the price is alot better
[08:45:16] <miss0r> I don't know if theres a widely available chinesium version of such
[08:45:38] <pink_vampire> what is faster?
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[08:45:55] <pink_vampire> less latency
[08:46:00] <miss0r> hmm.. Good question. what are you asking? how fast you can move it without loosing count?
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[08:46:07] <miss0r> Excellent question
[08:46:11] <miss0r> I do not know .)
[08:46:12] <pink_vampire> correct
[08:46:26] <miss0r> I know you can move the magnetic one realy fast.
[08:46:40] <miss0r> I have never had a magnetic one loose count, That has happened to me with glass scales
[08:47:06] <miss0r> but using my experience with that is like comparing apples to bananas.
[08:47:22] <pink_vampire> if you have AB reading head that read it AB from the beginning i think it is faster then magnet that need some electronic.
[08:47:25] <miss0r> All I can basically say is, I've had great experience with the magnetic strip
[08:47:47] <rmu|w> with 1 micron steps, 1m/sec would equate to 1 MHz signal rate, that should not really be that problematic with differential signaling
[08:47:48] <miss0r> well, the glass head has the electronics inside of it
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[08:48:31] <pink_vampire> i know the magnetic ones are infinite resolution basically, and it depends on ho good is your electronics
[08:48:53] <miss0r> the strips I've worked with are not 'infinite'. I don't know any that are
[08:49:03] <pink_vampire> there is no "lines" on the magnetic
[08:49:10] <miss0r> The ones I know & work with have two seprate 'lanes' one is the indexing the other has lines
[08:49:16] <rmu|w> there is no "infinite" resolution.
[08:50:15] <miss0r> pink_vampire: if you realy zoom in, they have realy small magnets swapping polarity along the length of the measuering lane
[08:50:25] <pink_vampire> rmu|w: by infinite i mean it is analog signal, that your electronic cut to whatever resolution
[08:51:27] <rmu|w> sin/cos encoder
[08:52:53] <pink_vampire> I think my cui encoder work in the same way
[08:53:14] <pink_vampire> there is no optics inside, just dry electronic
[08:53:25] <miss0r> mah... I had mcdonalds for lunch.. at the moment I have McTummy(r)
[08:54:26] <pink_vampire> i think the cui are capacitive encoders
[09:05:07] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
[09:05:25] <flyback> pink_vampire, HEH i was just discussing that shit wiht my dad the other day
[09:05:32] <flyback> mems sensors, hall effect etc
[09:06:37] <pink_vampire> I'm that close to freak out
[09:06:57] <flyback> very cool stuff
[09:07:02] <pink_vampire> I live 10-32, this is my "go to screw" for everything.
[09:07:06] <pink_vampire> love*
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[09:07:31] <flyback> I watched a video on vfd on water plant pumps
[09:07:38] <flyback> and they used transducer sensors
[09:07:54] <flyback> and it was awesome how the vfd would scale the pump up and down to keep the pressure at xxx
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[09:10:40] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[09:10:43] <pink_vampire> WTF!!
[09:12:19] <pink_vampire> that mean that i need to go with M4 screws
[09:12:25] <pink_vampire> ERRR
[09:12:38] <flyback> pink_vampire, just repeat after me
[09:12:49] <flyback> *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
[09:12:50] <pink_vampire> ...
[09:12:52] <flyback> *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
[09:13:18] <flyback> :P
[09:13:35] * flyback drags rue_mohr against pink_vampire's photo
[09:14:39] <pink_vampire> O_O
[09:15:51] <flyback> the photo of the mistake not a photo of you
[09:17:07] <pink_vampire> the only screw they have is M4 X 12mm
[09:17:17] <pink_vampire> I need about 20mm
[09:19:16] <pink_vampire> maybe 8-32 iwll be my saver..
[09:23:06] <miss0r|office2> What're you building pink_vampire?
[09:23:22] <pink_vampire> belt drive servo spindle
[09:25:03] <pink_vampire> the problem is that i need to connect 1/8" plate to 2 blocks that ill hold the motor
[09:26:14] <miss0r|office2> ha
[09:29:03] <miss0r|office2> What is it for?
[09:30:00] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[09:30:17] <pink_vampire> the gray is 1/8" plate
[09:30:37] <miss0r|office2> Any reason you are not just using cylinderhead allen screws?
[09:30:53] <Wolf__> why the heck are you running the screw in that far
[09:31:13] <pink_vampire> so i need to connect it some how to the black (half transparent)
[09:31:58] <Wolf__> you only need probably 8 threads min engagement
[09:32:06] <pink_vampire> it is seat on the head of the machine so the screw head must be flash with the plate
[09:32:30] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: it is aluminum, and i want to torque it really hard
[09:34:04] <pink_vampire> so if the plate is 1/8" thick, the ideal head screw thickness will be about 1/16"
[09:36:39] <pink_vampire> i think this is the best that i can get https://i.imgur.com
[09:37:30] <Wolf__> whats the width on the black part
[09:37:35] <pink_vampire> close the 8mm head diameter, and about 2mm head thinkness, that can bet sanded to 1.6
[09:37:40] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: 8mm
[09:38:07] <pink_vampire> 8mm is the plate thickness that i have
[09:39:50] <pink_vampire> 3 screws on the bottom 8-32, and 2 screws on the top 10-32, i think it ill be ok..
[09:40:15] <Wolf__> if it was my project, I would be using m3 flat head counter sink head
[09:42:45] <pink_vampire> i dont like the "counter sink" for high torque it is mushroom the plate instead of sandwich it
[09:43:21] <Wolf__> your not going to high torque anything if you half the hex key engagement of the screw
[09:44:14] <pink_vampire> i'm going to torque it with some jb-weld, and then sand it,
[09:45:05] <Wolf__> huh
[09:45:26] <pink_vampire> you know just to make sure..
[09:46:01] <pink_vampire> i need 8-32 tap
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[09:47:58] <Wolf__> so you’re going to counter sink 2mm in to a 3mm plate for a button head screw and put jb-weld between the parts to make up for the problem?
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[09:48:16] <pink_vampire> no.
[09:49:50] <pink_vampire> i'm going to counter sink 1.6mm in 3.175 plate, jb-weld it, torque the screw, sand it flash
[09:50:30] <pink_vampire> all i'm going to sand is 0.4-0.5 mm from the head..
[09:50:34] <Wolf__> I’m kinda lost to why add jb-weld
[09:50:52] <pink_vampire> servo.. vibrations.
[09:51:16] <pink_vampire> i can't weld it, so i jb-weld it
[09:51:26] <Wolf__> red or blue locktite on the threads
[09:51:34] <Wolf__> thats what its made for
[09:51:45] <pink_vampire> it is just for the bottom plate
[09:52:14] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: jb-weld on the metal to metal contact not in the screw
[09:52:35] <Wolf__> wont really do much IMO
[09:53:05] <pink_vampire> just to make sure...
[09:54:46] <Wolf__> and that hex is only 1.3mm deep, -0.5mm means you now have 0.8mm of hex key engagement, probably strip it out before you get any torque on it
[09:55:12] <pink_vampire> no no no
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[09:56:17] <Wolf__> going to turn it off the load side of the head?
[09:56:18] <pink_vampire> first i torque it with jb-weld.... then it become solid.. and only then I'm sanding the head.
[09:56:37] <Wolf__> jb-weld isnt torque
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[09:57:23] <MacGalempsy> mornin
[09:57:37] <Wolf__> moring Mac
[09:57:38] <pink_vampire> by torque it i mean close it very hard
[09:58:22] <Wolf__> clamp?
[09:59:13] <pink_vampire> I hope the end mill is long enough to cut the block
[09:59:32] <MacGalempsy> anyone making chips this morning?
[10:01:04] <Wolf__> IMO not a good design, if youre worried about the mount block holding in place just add another screw to it, and m3 flat head would mean 6mm head dia so would leave some meat around the hole
[10:02:35] <pink_vampire> m3 will bent
[10:03:06] <Wolf__> then you’re not designing correctly
[10:03:39] <Wolf__> screw bending means shear forces
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[10:04:23] <pink_vampire> a good design is is to weld it from steel, or make it from one solid plate
[10:05:46] <Wolf__> those all have draw backs to them
[10:06:20] <Wolf__> welding steel means you need to make the plates, weld, then correct for warping
[10:06:48] <Wolf__> solid plate means lot of material removal/waste
[10:06:53] <pink_vampire> to machine it from steel will be ideal
[10:07:17] <pink_vampire> even 1/4" will be better then 1/8"
[10:08:43] <Wolf__> I think I was planning on doing my spindle motor mount plate with 1/4” alum bottom, 3/8” mount blocks and 1/8” for the motor plate
[10:09:23] <pink_vampire> i have no 1/4" plate
[10:09:37] <Wolf__> ebay has plenty
[10:09:52] <pink_vampire> I have no spindle..
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[10:11:15] <pink_vampire> i want to make something just to see how the servo is behave, even 3d printed mount will be good just for testing
[10:11:49] <pink_vampire> this is why i want to use stuff i already have on hand
[10:12:16] <Wolf__> oh, this is a axis drive servo?
[10:12:23] <pink_vampire> no
[10:12:57] <pink_vampire> it is a servo, like my X Y Z servos, but it is going to be my Slo Speed servo spindle
[10:13:05] <pink_vampire> slow*
[10:13:43] <pink_vampire> for tapping, facing, and stuff like that
[10:13:48] <Wolf__> ok, so something like a 750w servo?
[10:14:13] <pink_vampire> the largest from automation technology
[10:14:47] <Wolf__> https://www.ebay.com
[10:15:09] <pink_vampire> 0 results shown in all categories
[10:15:42] <Wolf__> weird
[10:15:43] <pink_vampire> those are the motors https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
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[10:19:14] <Wolf__> kinda spendy way to get 700w of spindle
[10:19:39] <pink_vampire> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[10:19:44] <pink_vampire> this is just the motor
[10:20:14] <pink_vampire> it is not about the just a spindle, it is a C axis also,
[10:21:44] <pink_vampire> rigid tapping, broaching. and use it as A axis if the HF spindle is mount on the table
[10:23:23] <pink_vampire> and I'm hoping that it will be about 2500-3000 rpm or so..
[10:24:19] <Wolf__> no torque curves, no data sheet, so no clue if that would work
[10:24:58] <pink_vampire> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[10:25:25] <Wolf__> yes, no torque curves in that
[10:25:40] <pink_vampire> it is DC
[10:26:45] <pink_vampire> https://i.stack.imgur.com
[10:27:23] <pink_vampire> the torque is linear
[10:28:22] <Wolf__> so at 3000rpm it will have 0 torque
[10:28:29] <pink_vampire> (it is just a random table from google that show the relationship of torque/amps in DC motors)
[10:28:37] <pink_vampire> no
[10:29:00] <MacGalempsy> well the old cnc got sold with the house... back to the drawing board...
[10:30:52] <pink_vampire> continues current is 7.8A*0.182Nm = 1.4196Nm at no load
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[10:31:52] <pink_vampire> if you brake it it can draw up to 40A so 40*0.182= 7.28 Nm
[10:36:14] <Wolf__> I’ve only messed with BLDC stuff so no idea, still sounds off to me
[10:36:33] <pink_vampire> i have mo idea also
[10:36:50] <pink_vampire> this is what i want to test it and see
[10:37:10] <Wolf__> my 470w servo does 1.26N-m cont stall and 2.06N-m peak
[10:38:26] <Wolf__> the “big” one 821w 5.21N-m cont, 9.45N-m peak
[10:39:08] <pink_vampire> hoss machine use stepper name 23 with 1:5 belt or so as tapping head, i'm going to use the one i show you
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[10:41:17] <pink_vampire> all i know is the machine have huge amount of force on the XYZ and i need to limit the acceleration on those motors otherwise the house is shaking
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[10:42:07] <Wolf__> inertia...
[10:42:09] <pink_vampire> instead of the 15000mm / min that they can deliver I'm working with 2400 mm/min MAX
[10:43:51] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: i mean they can run full speed and stop and revers so fast that the table and the house shaking. = also very high torque
[10:45:12] <pink_vampire> but all that it is not a real test as spindle in 1:1 ratio, and also not very scientific.
[10:46:37] <pink_vampire> so.. I'm going to get some screws, and tap, and hope also gonna work.
[10:47:31] <Wolf__> have fun, I need to get off my ass and drive up to philly to look at a crane… yay…
[10:48:26] <pink_vampire> to philly !
[10:48:31] <pink_vampire> PA?
[10:48:35] <Wolf__> yeah
[10:48:39] <pink_vampire> COOL
[10:48:51] <pink_vampire> I will be in NJ
[10:51:23] <Wolf__> cool, almost too close :P
[10:52:07] <pink_vampire> one day..
[10:58:30] <pink_vampire> https://www.yhscrew.com
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[12:16:43] <fragalot> hey
[12:16:55] <Tom_L> hay
[12:18:26] <fragalot> turns out that if you ask for a machine that can handle 1800x800mm panels, or cabinets of 1200x800x400 that you wind up with the "big boy" VMC's
[12:18:29] <fragalot> :D
[12:18:48] <Tom_L> yup
[12:18:59] <fragalot> worst thing is we only really need about 200mm of Z travel if the part can be adjusted to the right height >.>
[12:19:01] <Wolf__> launch fail, not feeling like spending 4hrs+ in my car today lol
[12:19:02] <Tom_L> priced accordingly too
[12:19:27] <fragalot> all we need is a beefy router that can handle stainless
[12:20:16] <Tom_L> stainless is crap to machine
[12:20:21] <fragalot> turns out that that request quickly leads to twin column bridge mills :D
[12:20:54] <Tom_L> with footing to acomodate it as well
[12:21:00] <fragalot> yup
[12:21:13] <fragalot> Mr. boss man wants to already get something in our current building rather than wait until the new one is finished
[12:21:18] <Wolf__> sometimes it makes more sense to farm out some work lol
[12:21:24] <fragalot> but I don't think he quite realizes just how heavy these are
[12:21:37] <fragalot> Wolf__: that's what we do now, but our subcontractor is retiring and everyone else is 6x more expensive (yes, really)
[12:21:57] <Tom_L> tell him he can't retire yet
[12:21:57] <fragalot> and we are just on the edge of QTY's where getting a machine to DIY is actually feasible
[12:22:03] <Wolf__> that will do it
[12:22:09] <fragalot> Tom_L: we did - he then got a heart attack on holiday :(
[12:22:24] <Wolf__> buy out his stuff then
[12:22:27] <Tom_L> bummer
[12:22:44] <Tom_L> that might not be a bad option...
[12:22:46] <fragalot> Wolf__: not really that interested in that
[12:23:07] <fragalot> none of his machines meet CE requirements any more (which is fine if you're self employed, but not if you employ others)
[12:23:18] <fragalot> and they are also undersized and require 4 setups to do one panel
[12:23:19] <Wolf__> doh
[12:23:24] <fragalot> well, one side of the panel
[12:23:34] <Tom_L> but he's cheap!
[12:23:39] <Wolf__> lol
[12:23:40] <fragalot> Tom_L: AND good.
[12:23:46] <fragalot> zero complaints about his services :D
[12:23:53] <Tom_L> you can't buy that anymore
[12:24:11] <fragalot> I also know some of his machines are starting to have technical difficulties
[12:24:25] <fragalot> so.. we'd rather spend a bit more & get new :-)
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[12:24:39] <Wolf__> what sort of work is it on the panels?
[12:25:08] <fragalot> generic cutouts, button holes, cable glands, HMI cutouts, etc
[12:25:36] <fragalot> the biggest issue to find "one machine" is that we range from polyester to steel & stainless panels
[12:25:42] <Wolf__> have you checked with other processes on pricing
[12:25:58] <fragalot> Wolf__: open to suggestions
[12:26:21] <fragalot> waterjet is difficult as i'm afraid the bath will contaminate the stainless when submerged to avoid cutting it in half completely
[12:26:31] <fragalot> laser doesn't work on polyester
[12:26:37] <fragalot> neither does EDM
[12:26:51] <Wolf__> farm out the panels to laser maybe?
[12:27:06] <fragalot> we do that today, 4wk LT, AFTER we supply the panels
[12:27:10] <Wolf__> waterjet bath is just tap water
[12:27:21] <fragalot> from the panel manufacturer itself, it takes 5wks
[12:27:29] <fragalot> our current LT from order to customer delivery is under 2 weeks
[12:27:46] <fragalot> Wolf__: sure, but that gets contaminated with steel particles as you cut the steel panel
[12:27:49] <Wolf__> yeah that makes for a problem there
[12:28:27] <Wolf__> umm, kinda
[12:28:33] <fragalot> so one solution we have right now is to punch the holes & grind HMI cutouts for short-term delivery (longer ones get outsourced still obviously)
[12:28:40] <fragalot> so we hired a temp to assist with that
[12:28:50] <fragalot> he's broken 4 greenlee punches so far
[12:28:59] <Wolf__> you could get custom punches made
[12:29:19] <fragalot> we can, but not for 12" panels
[12:29:19] <fragalot> :D
[12:29:25] <fragalot> at least, not that our punch drivers can handle
[12:29:36] <fragalot> (in 2mm stainless)
[12:29:53] <Wolf__> yeah just going to be punch dies, not a full panel at a time lol
[12:30:05] <fragalot> :p
[12:31:00] <Wolf__> multi head cnc punch press sounds like a fun project lol
[12:31:31] <fragalot> hehe
[12:31:46] <fragalot> as much as i'd like to, I don't think DIY is going to get approved :D
[12:32:22] <Wolf__> water jet shouldn’t contaminate the stainless, where did you hear this from?
[12:32:28] <fragalot> Wolf__: so far the only reasonable option has been the Rittal perforex series
[12:32:34] <fragalot> Wolf__: I didn't hear it. I assumed.
[12:32:54] <Wolf__> if its a cabinet being cut you might get some sand blasting effect inside
[12:33:20] <fragalot> depending on how severe that is, that could be an issue
[12:33:26] <fragalot> also, some of these panels are 120x120x80mm
[12:33:30] <Wolf__> check to see if there is a o-max dealer and ask for them to do some sample cuts
[12:33:33] <fragalot> even submerged that'd get cut in half xD
[12:34:28] <Wolf__> the “local” (2 hrs away) will do demo cuts on parts and have actual use case answers
[12:34:52] <fragalot> seems there's a distributor that's only one country away here
[12:35:28] <fragalot> with waterjet you also need an environmental license here
[12:35:37] <fragalot> and a way to filter & dispose of the spent garnets
[12:35:47] <fragalot> not sure what that entails from a practical standpoint
[12:36:23] <Wolf__> email and ask, dealer should have all the answers down to $$ per min
[12:36:37] <fragalot> Already put them on the list to contact tomorrow :)
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[12:37:29] <Wolf__> I looked in to doing water jet cutting service at one point lol
[12:37:44] <fragalot> what made you decide not to?
[12:37:56] <Wolf__> not a good fit for a home shop lol
[12:38:18] <fragalot> I like the one that that UK nutcase on youtube has
[12:38:23] <fragalot> wait nvm that's plasma
[12:38:43] <Wolf__> $80k for the machine
[12:39:04] <Wolf__> like 10yrs ago
[12:39:34] <fragalot> cheaper ones exist now
[12:39:42] <fragalot> also
[12:39:48] <fragalot> i'm not sure you qualify as 'home shop'
[12:39:56] <fragalot> home shops don't go looking for heavy duty cranes.
[12:40:04] <Wolf__> lol
[12:40:29] <Wolf__> I call it home shop because I dont have a commercial electrical drop
[12:41:05] <Wolf__> commercial grade, I only have single phase 220
[12:41:21] <fragalot> ouch, even I have more than that in my house
[12:41:24] <fragalot> what's the amp rating?
[12:41:43] <Wolf__> 150A right now
[12:42:18] <fragalot> i've got 40A 3x220V, which is the default for houses
[12:42:40] <Wolf__> yeah, one of the draw backs of USA
[12:43:14] <fragalot> that you lag behind technologically but don't realize because you choose to ignore it? :D
[12:43:46] <fragalot> that omax protomax looks cute
[12:43:50] <MarcelineVQ> that infrastructure is expensive and it's hard to convince people to care
[12:44:19] <fragalot> MarcelineVQ: hey, you guys chose to live so far apart in the middle of nowhere in harsh conditions
[12:44:19] <MarcelineVQ> only bridges fail in obvious ways
[12:44:22] <fragalot> :D
[12:44:23] <Wolf__> when my house renovation gets to the addition of new garage I’ll be checking with the electric co about 3 phase to my shop
[12:47:01] <Wolf__> I’ll be doing new meter box at that time so makes sense to check in to that at the same time
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[12:53:04] <roycroft> if there is 3 phase available ...
[12:53:20] <Wolf__> there is at my house
[12:53:28] <roycroft> oh, no problem then
[12:53:45] <roycroft> the nearest 3 phase power to my house is over 1/2 mile away
[12:53:55] <roycroft> it would be pretty expensive bringing it in
[12:54:07] <fragalot> friend of mine paid 50k to get his ocnnection made
[12:54:10] <fragalot> well, replaced
[12:54:19] <Wolf__> I’m on a main road w/ commercial property and main transmission lines for half the county
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[12:54:22] <roycroft> a vfd is fairly cheap :)
[12:54:32] <fragalot> scenario: he buys a workshop from someone that retires, existing power connection comes from that guy's house, 63A 3ph 380V
[12:54:42] <fragalot> retiree wants the connection split for obvious reasons
[12:54:53] <fragalot> no 380V is present on the side of the shop
[12:55:09] <fragalot> so.. new line has to be pulled from 2 miles away because they can only do so over public roads
[12:55:12] <fragalot> :D
[12:55:32] <Wolf__> yeah, that makes for a problem lol
[12:56:26] <Wolf__> I can cut a trench from the pole all the way back to the shop, only cost is going to be hook up at each end
[12:56:43] <jthornton> we had 3 phase within 50' of the shop and the coop wanted $7500 to connect it to the shop
[12:57:18] <jthornton> basically we had to pay for the transformer and the work and then the bill would be higher
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[12:58:31] <gloops> should be like my mate, had no gas supply, when he was notified they were laying gas mains down the street he had gas central heating fitted and was waiting at the front gate with a pipe ready for them to connect up lol
[12:59:39] <fragalot> nice
[12:59:56] * jthornton noticed that lunch minute is up... back to work
[13:00:19] <Wolf__> I looked in to natural gas at my place, that was fun, neither company that services the area could figure out which would service my house, after about 5 calls I found out no gas lines on my side of the highway
[13:01:42] <roycroft> that's where propane is useful
[13:01:46] <Wolf__> yup
[13:02:12] <Wolf__> going tankless propane hot water
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[13:03:18] * fragalot has a tankless high calorific natural gas boiler
[13:03:20] <fragalot> love it
[13:04:19] <Wolf__> I have enough room to do a drain back hydronic solar array as well =)
[13:04:21] <FinboySlick> fragalot: Oh sure, a schaublin, a better water heater than everyone... You're just a showoff!
[13:05:12] <fragalot> FinboySlick: so I shouldn't mention that i'm using grundfos industrial pumps for the stone well?
[13:05:32] <FinboySlick> Now you just went and proved my point ;)
[13:06:06] <fragalot> I'm also saving a ton on heating by having 2 elderly neighbours & shared walls
[13:06:14] <fragalot> it's like having wall heating
[13:06:45] <Wolf__> lol I cant say much, I have a new grundfos well pump waiting to be installed
[13:08:09] <Wolf__> 1hp shallow well stainless
[13:09:41] <fragalot> they're good pumps
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[13:14:03] <FinboySlick> I found a 180' deep well on my property while building the new house that was dug before we got city water service. I might try using it for a heat point in the future. Ran a couple pipes from it to the new house.
[13:14:31] <fragalot> i'm just using the well to water the garden & flush the toilets tbf
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[13:18:16] <selroc> log
[13:18:16] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[13:19:40] <Wolf__> only well water at my place
[13:20:02] <Wolf__> and lucky me its clear iron water…
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[13:21:17] <fragalot> tap water here comes from cast iron pipes still
[13:21:23] <fragalot> nice & brown at times
[13:21:50] <Wolf__> https://i.imgur.com
[13:22:05] <gloops> still no ichs then
[13:23:01] <Wolf__> that brown filter started white lol
[13:23:12] <fragalot> yup =D
[13:24:03] <Wolf__> but if you pour a glass of water right out of the well feed it will be clear, then after a while will form a oxide layer on the bottom of the glass
[13:27:24] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com <-- First time I see something like this, it's pretty darn cool.
[13:28:07] <fragalot> more interesting if there's more air
[13:29:07] <FinboySlick> Oh he gets the mixture right eventually.
[13:29:15] <fragalot> i saw :-)
[13:29:25] <fragalot> first time i've seen this it was on some crappy tv show
[13:29:33] <fragalot> where they built a bank security driveway with it
[13:29:47] <fragalot> alarm goes off - driveway fluidizes and traps the getaway car :Dµ
[13:29:57] <FinboySlick> Interesting concept.
[13:30:30] <Wolf__> make for a nice welcome mat at the front door, about 2m deep
[13:30:43] <FinboySlick> Though I guess it'd get tricky if the sand goes wet.
[13:32:11] <fragalot> pfft
[13:32:12] <fragalot> :P
[13:32:19] <fragalot> stop thinking things through
[13:32:53] <FinboySlick> fragalot: You have a point there. I'd have a schaublin 53 if I didn't think things through.
[13:33:08] <fragalot> I didn't think things through and it got me a schaublin 13
[13:33:36] <fragalot> some mild panic may have ensued once I realized just what i'd done
[13:33:47] <fragalot> then I measured the path to see if it'd actually fit
[13:33:49] <fragalot> and i had 2mm to spare
[13:34:03] <fragalot> turns out that in reality it was only 1mm, which was still enough!
[13:34:35] <fragalot> also - buying something sight unseen is nerve wrecking :D
[13:35:17] <fragalot> speaking of, does anyone have any experience with hydraulic vs side lock holders?
[13:38:24] <Wolf__> none here
[13:40:18] <fragalot> weird, the halogen light above the cooker literally just shed it's lens
[13:40:40] <Wolf__> feature
[13:40:58] <Wolf__> they usually melt the lens holder
[13:42:57] <fragalot> I don't think these have been on for more than like 2hrs in 4 years
[13:46:19] <fragalot> also, i'm thinking of getting a new edge finder that can do Z too
[13:46:33] <fragalot> any thoughts on the haimer style vs 'dumb' electronic?
[13:47:11] <Wolf__> manual machine, hammer kinda made more sense
[13:47:32] <fragalot> currently considering one from tschorn
[13:47:34] <Wolf__> unless you can get a renishaw for dirt cheap lol
[13:47:40] <fragalot> lol no
[13:47:48] <fragalot> when I say electronic I mean the ones that light up & beep at you
[13:48:15] <Wolf__> $200 for my renishaw, but I got lucky
[13:53:42] <Wolf__> I have a light up edge finder, used it once, threw it in my drawer and haven’t touched it since
[13:53:54] <fragalot> hehe
[13:55:30] <Wolf__> running manual I dont find needing Z touch off w/ probe
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[13:56:12] <Wolf__> usually I just use some shim stock and capture it with the end mill to set zero
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[13:58:57] <fragalot> sure, if you're not inside a pocket that works
[13:59:48] <Wolf__> measure from top edge of pocket
[14:07:49] <Wolf__> or work cnc style where my origin is top of the parallels, fixed vise jaw and work stop =)
[14:10:00] <fragalot> that's assuming the part is made from scratch, rather than an existing odd shaped one that needs rework
[14:10:08] <syyl> back at making tiny chips :D
[14:10:10] * Wolf__ thinks he should ship syyl a surface grinder to hand scrape…
[14:10:10] <syyl> http://gtwr.de
[14:11:14] <Wolf__> looks good, I need to get some raw cast iron and start practicing
[14:11:33] <fragalot> syyl: that's looking very nice!
[14:12:54] <Wolf__> my issue is I’m still trying to figure out how to measure the error on this https://i.imgur.com https://i.imgur.com
[14:13:47] <fragalot> that has seen better days
[14:13:50] <miss0r> fragalot: 'evenin'
[14:13:57] <fragalot> ello miss0r
[14:14:03] <fragalot> got your toy yet?
[14:14:14] <miss0r> nope :) you?
[14:14:21] <fragalot> nope :)
[14:14:38] <miss0r> it seems your package has traveled ~20km
[14:14:45] <fragalot> lol
[14:14:54] <miss0r> the one you sent me is in central denmark at the moment :)
[14:17:12] <miss0r> fragalot: But I DID get my glass scale signal converters! :) https://imgur.com
[14:18:31] <miss0r> And I can only say: I can recommend ordering stuff from them(even though they are bulgarian ect) they are quite professional :)
[14:18:52] <fragalot> :D
[14:19:31] <fragalot> I can tell that it's professional by the lopsided 10k resistor in the center on the left one
[14:19:38] <fragalot> well, all of them
[14:19:59] <miss0r> yeah
[14:20:14] <miss0r> well, atleast they are all crooked :)
[14:20:30] <fragalot> I wonder what reason they had to do the layout like that.. angled parts are very expensive to pick&place
[14:20:38] <miss0r> yeah.
[14:20:54] <Wolf__> may have turned on the solder during reflow
[14:21:01] <Wolf__> might be a odd pad shape
[14:21:03] <miss0r> also; this is a later edition. On the back they have a nand gate and a resistor attached, with some thin wires.
[14:21:17] <miss0r> All soldered nicely and glued professionally into place, so no complaints there
[14:22:48] <miss0r> Whatever the reason, it looks like its gonna work. well - it better!
[14:22:54] <miss0r> Those are 200eur/piece
[14:23:08] <Wolf__> ouch
[14:24:08] <fragalot> fair price for something produced in low QTY's
[14:24:31] <miss0r> I'm doing it for a few reasons; one) I get to reuse my 1um resolution linear scales. two) by reusing them, I can have the old controller i'm replacing with a new one, in standby ready to swap back in should I need it
[14:25:03] <miss0r> fragalot: I'm hoping to be able to find some short D-sub 15 pin cables. Do you know where I can get that?
[14:25:12] <miss0r> with perhaps 30cm of cable
[14:25:21] <miss0r> if I have to make them, it defeats the purpose
[14:26:19] <miss0r> (the two row one)
[14:26:19] <jym> miss0r: d-sub 15 are typical of old nix/mac boxes for video
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[14:26:43] <miss0r> jym: the ones with two rows?
[14:26:46] <jym> miss0r: also for "joystick" in ancient days
[14:27:00] <jym> miss0r: Yes =)
[14:27:02] <miss0r> that I remember
[14:27:06] <miss0r> (the joystick one)
[14:27:09] <fragalot> :P
[14:27:32] <Wolf__> http://a.co amazon US has them…
[14:27:34] <jym> miss0r: ALSO.... D15 can plug into D25
[14:28:06] <jym> miss0r: Might get/find a D15 to D25 adapters.
[14:28:20] <jym> miss0r: Then you can use D25 cables all day long
[14:28:27] <miss0r> hehe
[14:28:58] <miss0r> Wolf__: Am I reading that right? 15feet? :) its a little longer than the 30cm I was looking for :D
[14:29:07] <syyl> thanks fragalot :D
[14:29:11] <miss0r> And I wonder what the pinout would be - I want a straight through one
[14:29:30] <jym> miss0r: d25 parallelport cable =)
[14:29:37] <Wolf__> http://a.co 76cm
[14:29:50] <miss0r> jym: Sure. What I was basically hoping was to just have a short DB15 cable go from those converters, and bolt them directly to the back panel, and use them as plugs
[14:30:41] <jym> miss0r: ... then reality set it ;)
[14:31:05] <miss0r> jym: What is this 'reality' ? :)
[14:34:22] <Wolf__> miss0r: that amphenol cable is straight pinned https://www.mouser.com
[14:35:10] <jym> miss0r: it's just an illusion =)
[14:35:48] <miss0r> Meh. Perhaps the best solution is to just get a bunch of DB connectors with a breakout board on'em
[14:36:05] <miss0r> That would mean alot less soldering and heatshrinking :)
[14:38:25] <Wolf__> solder… learn2lazy http://a.co
[14:38:44] <miss0r> wtf... applications for a 200feet db15 d-sub cable?
[14:39:07] <miss0r> Wolf__: The applications for those are quite limited
[14:39:42] <Wolf__> I use the hell out of them, but thats because I’m splicing truck harnesses
[14:39:56] <miss0r> unless you know for a fact that whatever you are trying to solder together with them is completely clean
[14:40:02] <miss0r> otherwise they will not last
[14:41:11] <Wolf__> cruddy wire gets the crimp
[14:41:36] <miss0r> Indeed
[14:42:00] <miss0r> if you want to solder them still, I can recommend using some scotchbrite(spell)
[14:42:10] <Wolf__> too much work lol
[14:42:14] <miss0r> but use a regular soldering iron & hearshrink :)
[14:43:00] <robotustra> huh, finally drawed the first layout on what I wanted: https://imgur.com
[14:43:03] <miss0r> Sometimes you don't realy have a choice
[14:43:22] <robotustra> next step is to attech
[14:43:28] <robotustra> attach*
[14:43:54] <Wolf__> I just started using the shrink+solder and a new cordless heatgun on the last two trucks I did, made for a lot simpler day lol
[14:45:14] <miss0r> I bet. I've just had some mixed results with those.
[14:45:32] <miss0r> But to be fair, I used them in a very harsh environment
[14:46:08] <Wolf__> doesnt get much worst then the back end of a work truck
[14:46:58] <miss0r> wolf__: Sewage waste handling facilities tend to
[14:47:41] <Wolf__> think salt water road spray + gnd truck frame
[14:48:07] <miss0r> yeah, I know that is bad :)
[14:48:22] <miss0r> But some of these stations I'm speaking off takes the cake :)
[14:48:28] <Wolf__> I’ve had wired that weren’t sealed corroded back over a meter
[14:48:57] <miss0r> I installed a temperature meter in the 'swamp' on one of these stations. It was all 316 stainless steel. It coroded through in 3months and stopped working
[14:49:12] <Wolf__> lol nice
[14:49:42] <miss0r> well.. not realy.
[14:49:52] <Wolf__> job security
[14:50:12] <miss0r> I cannot mention names here, but this was a main station right outside a medical company. The underground 'swamp' was closed off for people after that
[14:50:19] <miss0r> it ate plastic down there too
[14:50:23] <miss0r> Nowthing realy survived.
[14:50:28] <Wolf__> thats bad…
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[14:50:49] <miss0r> The only sustainable way of measuring the "water" level, was with a radar system, that did not come into contact with the fumes
[14:51:32] <miss0r> I wonder how many years of my life has been removed by working on that station :]
[14:52:50] <gloops> you can often get some good tomato plants from sewage beds though
[14:53:14] <miss0r> well.. anyway :) I'm just saying - there are places worse than the back of a working truck. But don't get me wrong - I know how terrible salt & electrogalvanic corossion can be there
[14:53:34] <miss0r> gloops: I think eating anything that gained nutrition from there, would make you glow in the dark
[14:53:57] <Wolf__> I can say when I wired this up https://i.imgur.com the tail light harness was soldered and dual wall shrinked and it still works 6yrs later, the warning lights I used unsealed crimps because I was low on time, they are all not working lol
[14:54:38] <miss0r> yeah :) That is how it goes :D
[14:55:04] <Wolf__> and waterproof led strips aren’t
[14:55:11] <Wolf__> lol
[14:55:52] <gloops> miss0r its only what we eat anyway
[14:56:40] <Wolf__> top layer is potted in some goop but the copper on the strip is stuck direct to the adhesive they mount with, so they corrode from the inside out
[14:58:05] <gloops> just whack around them with the hammer, thats all my MOT tester does - probably gets 50% working
[14:58:20] <miss0r> Wolf__: I bought some IP68 led strip. It has been sitting in an underground swamp(for sweage) underneath the handrails on the stairs going down there.
[14:58:46] <miss0r> I believe for 6 years now, and are still working. Altough, that place is mostly for "grey" water.
[14:59:35] <Wolf__> I had a strip for the tag light on the truck, out of the 30cm strip maybe 4 leds are still working
[14:59:56] <miss0r> hehe
[15:00:30] <miss0r> The one I used here was like you descripe, BUT it also had a think transparent silicone hose enclosing it all
[15:00:45] <miss0r> You just have to add some heatshrink with glue inside to the ends
[15:00:54] <Wolf__> yeah those will actually work
[15:01:18] <Wolf__> the self sticking strips not so much
[15:02:07] <miss0r> These are self sticking too.. (meh) well.. I have two strips of the stuff I mentioned sitting underneath some drawers above my lathe. They have been sitting there for a year now, and does not look like they will fall.
[15:02:25] <miss0r> The ones I installed in the swamp was zip tied every 30cm :)
[15:02:49] <Wolf__> for the trucks we are switching to using these type things https://www.ebay.com
[15:03:36] <miss0r> Those look alright :)
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[15:15:22] <miss0r> bah... You can buy a 20m serial cable for 2cents.. but if you want to buy some cable to make your own, you get bend over and screwed
[15:15:24] <miss0r> hard
[15:15:36] <Wolf__> yup
[15:15:56] <XXCoder> buy long cable, cut one end to size :)
[15:16:06] <miss0r> XXCoder: yeah, I'm heading there :)
[15:16:20] <miss0r> well, both ends. I want nice connectors on both end :D
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[15:18:05] <XXCoder> lol ok
[15:19:26] <Wolf__> those 2.5ft/76cm ones I linked weren’t badly priced (least for here)
[15:19:41] <miss0r> Indeed
[15:19:59] <miss0r> But if I do this, I might as well puchase a 200ft one, and get the most canble for the money :)
[15:20:19] <Wolf__> lol
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[15:21:39] <robotustra> Yeah! I did it!
[15:21:49] <XXCoder> you ordered 200m cable??
[15:22:19] <robotustra> adding new layout was successful
[15:22:22] <miss0r> first of all: it was 200feet, and secondly - I did not :)
[15:22:41] <XXCoder> miss0r: I was teasing robotustra there :) because timing was funnt
[15:22:52] <miss0r> ...right :)
[15:23:40] <robotustra> I don't nead any cable
[15:23:54] <robotustra> or I need
[15:24:37] <miss0r> XXCoder: sarcasm does not translate well on irc
[15:24:50] <XXCoder> indeed it does not miss0r
[15:26:09] <robotustra> that's why FBI and NSA cannot parse sarcasm via internet
[15:26:38] <robotustra> they cannot diff between real threats and sarcastic
[15:31:10] <Wolf__> neither of those have a sense of humor either
[15:33:10] <robotustra> may be that's why they can't it recognize
[15:33:27] <Wolf__> most likely
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[15:56:45] <gloops> so its true, chicken soup is good for colds http://www.dailymail.co.uk
[15:56:53] <gloops> my grandma was right
[15:57:41] <XXCoder> not surpised
[15:57:53] <XXCoder> not all home remendies is bullshit
[15:58:01] <XXCoder> many are though
[15:58:53] <gloops> yeah a lot of these old wives tales are based on fact XXCoder
[15:59:15] <XXCoder> not that lot. maybe less than 10%
[16:04:33] <robotustra> any fat hot soup is good for cold :)
[16:05:00] <robotustra> even hot milk+butter+honey is good too
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[16:11:02] <fragalot> robotustra: prove it.
[16:11:20] <fragalot> gloops: what I like are those old "family recipes" passed down through generations
[16:11:43] <fragalot> some guy researched a load of finnish (I think?) ones and traced them all back to the same recipe book :P
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[16:14:09] <XXCoder> ouch! https://interestingengineering.com
[16:15:30] <fragalot> ha.
[16:16:09] <XXCoder> I hope they catch all, because kid might think blade somehow recesses or somethign :(
[16:17:25] <Wolf__> oops
[16:17:32] <robotustra> fragalot, proved many times
[16:18:08] <XXCoder> fragalot: not surpised. I guess there was lot of twists though
[16:18:14] <XXCoder> (family recipes)
[16:19:25] <fragalot> XXCoder: it would be an important lesson for the kid
[16:19:52] <robotustra> the idea behind it is that fat has more heat capacity than water
[16:20:13] <robotustra> and does not cool down so fast when you consume it
[16:20:22] <robotustra> and warm up the troat better
[16:21:11] <robotustra> vessels are expaning because of heat and more blood comes to the heated area
[16:21:21] <robotustra> and so on...
[16:30:58] <fragalot> that's explaining it, not proving it
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[16:49:43] <Wolf__> well looks like I just got myself a D-600 autocollimator to play with
[16:54:03] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:23:49] <gloops> i think ill go and lie on the bed, close my eyes and not move for 7 hours, just for a change
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[17:54:38] <_unreal_> Wolf__, a what
[17:55:08] <Wolf__> autocollimator
[17:55:33] <_unreal_> sighting in angles
[17:56:02] <_unreal_> those are used in aligning prop shafts on boats all the time
[17:56:04] <Wolf__> yup, for checking flatness/parallel
[17:56:40] <_unreal_> just got home
[17:57:36] <_unreal_> ! I should check the mail see if I got anything in the mail
[17:57:43] <_unreal_> i have like 10 items i'm waiting on
[17:58:05] <_unreal_> god I still have not ordered my rails
[17:58:19] <_unreal_> I cant till I can get a few quick projects done on the main work base for this CNC
[17:58:25] <_unreal_> I need to get handles mounted
[17:59:06] <_unreal_> beause once I start getting hardware on the thing its going to get HEAVY
[18:00:20] <_unreal_> Wolf__, its driving me nuts there were 3 things I wanted to order and I cant for the @#$@# life of me remember
[18:00:29] <_unreal_> What they are
[18:00:38] <Wolf__> no idea
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[18:16:30] <_unreal_> sweet my 2watt resistors arrived. I can finally build my sla702X drivers 24/26
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[21:04:53] <pink_vampire> justanotheruser: multiple personality disorder?
[21:05:05] <justanotheruser> demonstrating that you can change nicks on irc
[21:05:19] <justanotheruser> someone with a 3 year old account apparently didn't know that was a thing
[21:05:30] <pink_vampire> LOL
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[21:20:15] <flyback> grandma just passed away a few mins ago :/ im out probably for the night helping family
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[21:26:22] <Tom_L> sorry to hear that jason
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[21:42:25] <_unreal_> My great aunt did last week
[21:42:34] <_unreal_> my fathers much older sister
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[23:46:10] <pink_vampire> hi
[23:57:25] <Wolf__> hey pink