#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-09-07

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[00:08:12] <pink_vampire> hi
[00:09:42] <_unreal_> whats new
[00:10:16] <_unreal_> I just soldered together My usb power supply divider
[00:10:55] <_unreal_> now when I get the chance I have a psu for driving my board/lcd
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[00:53:12] <fragalot> hi
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[01:01:15] <pink_vampire> fragalot:
[01:01:30] <fragalot> pink_vampire:
[01:02:08] <pink_vampire> how are you
[01:02:16] <fragalot> good :) you?
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[01:03:38] <pink_vampire> i'm working on the parts
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[02:55:14] <miss0r> Can anyone tell me what thread those small reiser blocks are, that one would use to screw into a computer cabinet and later mount a motherboard on?
[02:58:42] <Wolf_> these? http://a.co
[02:59:27] <miss0r|office2> yeah
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[02:59:51] <miss0r|office2> ha... I've always thought they were some imperial size
[02:59:52] <Wolf_> m3 looks like
[03:00:01] <Wolf_> same here...
[03:00:20] <miss0r|office2> Thanks
[03:00:22] <Wolf_> I have some on my desk somewhere…
[03:00:37] <Wolf_> oh wait, they are next to my mill, brb I can check
[03:00:38] <miss0r|office2> Yeah, I have a bag of them somewhere as well
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[03:06:04] <MarcelineVQ> the ones I have are either 32AN or metric, I don't have my metric guages out and the threadsd pretty short so it's hard to tell hehe
[03:06:17] <miss0r|office2> hehe
[03:06:26] <miss0r|office2> I'm wondering if the set you found is 'special'
[03:06:44] <Wolf_> 6-32
[03:07:03] <Wolf_> one of the old school ones out a dell 486 tower
[03:07:18] <miss0r|office2> hmm. I think that is the ones I know.
[03:07:31] <miss0r|office2> But seeing as I will have to make the case myself, I might as well go for the metric ones
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[03:13:25] <Deejay> moin
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[04:06:30] <miss0r|office2> !! Mikron WF3 cnc for only $600
[04:07:12] <miss0r|office2> If only I had the room
[04:07:25] <miss0r|office2> I have no space to put it in :(
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[04:37:55] <gloops> stick a sectional garage onto your workshop miss0r, more space cheap, no planning permission or anything
[04:38:48] <miss0r|office2> That sounds like something that would cost a fortune to heat up
[04:40:09] <MarcelineVQ> heat it with fiery determination
[04:40:16] <miss0r|office2> hehe
[05:06:55] <gloops> doesnt need much heat, concrete base with damp proof membrane, few solar heaters - a lot of the bike people do their garages like that to keep the bikes dry
[05:15:21] <pink_vampire> hi
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[05:57:08] <jthornton> mornign
[05:57:15] <XXCoder> boo
[05:57:31] <XXCoder> miss0r|office2: too bad we dont have time lord tech
[05:57:36] <XXCoder> I'd make so much space
[05:58:07] <XXCoder> I would turn one of closets into huge shop space
[06:00:30] <jthornton> geez I used 0.1GB of data while I slept wtf
[06:01:05] <XXCoder> sleep-browsing? heh
[06:01:18] <MarcelineVQ> better check your sleep-history
[06:03:09] <jthornton> the only thing open was on the LAN like cameras and other network stuff
[06:04:03] <XXCoder> cameras and other IOT stuff is super hackable
[06:04:14] <XXCoder> sometimes even pre-hacked
[06:05:01] <MarcelineVQ> I'd be a good idea to try out wireshark or similar if you notice this becoming an ongoing issue
[06:05:28] <jthornton> wireshark?
[06:05:42] <MarcelineVQ> yeah it's a network monitor/analyzer
[06:05:55] <jthornton> found it
[06:13:19] <jthornton> hmm I did leave the weather underground page open... wonder if that was the issue
[06:14:00] <MarcelineVQ> possibly, my weather site refreshes on its own, overnight that could add up given all the garbage they have on there that isn't weather
[06:15:20] <jthornton> I just get the local temperature history every few days for my egg laying chart
[06:15:46] <XXCoder> yeah some sites does update
[06:16:30] <jthornton> I'll remember to close that page if I can remember lol
[06:18:41] <MarcelineVQ> if you suspect it's the page some browers can let you know about page resource use. do you use chrome or firefox?
[06:20:08] <jthornton> yes
[06:20:24] <MarcelineVQ> chrome's way is real easy, hit f12, go to network tab, click preserve log and refresh the page.
[06:21:25] <MarcelineVQ> It'll tell you at the bottom how much it transfered to load the page, and due to preserve log you can check the page later and find out if it transfered more than that. you can test this out by hitting refresh again
[06:21:52] <jthornton> ok cool
[06:24:05] <MarcelineVQ> by check the page later I mean leave the page open and check it later, it won't preserve the log if you close it, just between refreshes that you or the page does on its own
[06:27:03] <jthornton> wow that is a busy page for sure
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[06:28:58] <Tom_L> morning
[06:29:06] <jthornton> morning
[06:29:28] <XXCoder> morning
[06:29:54] <Tom_L> 71�F Hi 74
[06:31:48] <jthornton> 72°F high 83°F Flash Flood Watch until Saturday night!
[06:32:45] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[06:32:51] <gloops> worth 300 all day
[06:33:34] <MarcelineVQ> how do you guys get away with that :> it would cost me 300 to look at one here
[06:33:43] <XXCoder> 73f peak, then rest of week 60s and rain
[06:34:03] <gloops> probably go for more eventually, but cant see them fighting over it
[06:34:04] <XXCoder> $300n just to LOOK at one? dang thats expensive
[06:34:26] <gloops> i can show you some for $20 a time Marceline
[06:34:44] <MarcelineVQ> ehe, well it does involve a ferry boat ride, but still they're not so common here
[06:34:49] <XXCoder> $40 for first minutes and $5 per minute afterwards :P
[06:44:19] <jthornton> damn 2.8 requires libboost-python 1.62.0 but linux mint 18 has 1.58.0...
[06:45:23] <XXCoder> can install newer or will it turn linux system into decoactive blocks?
[06:46:17] <XXCoder> python is a nightmare :(
[06:46:34] <MarcelineVQ> it's only a nightmare if you use pip
[06:46:43] <XXCoder> everything and its uncle on linux uses it
[06:46:45] <MarcelineVQ> well, only may be a little strong
[06:50:06] <MarcelineVQ> what's nightmarish about it for you XXCoder?
[06:51:21] <XXCoder> deps
[06:52:20] <jym> heh, dependancy hell, not just python
[06:52:49] * jym REALLY misses procedural coding
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[09:41:09] <gregcnc> this is interesting. it looks like compensation for axes which aren't straight. https://www.youtube.com
[09:46:07] <Simonious> in my post on fusion 360 for EMC2 at the end there is G53 G0 Z0 - does this ont move the toolhead to Z0? Why would I want that for a final move (I don't), how do I modify the post so this doesn't happen?
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[09:46:50] <gregcnc> it's pretty normal to clear the milling head from the workspace to access fixtures safely
[09:47:04] <Simonious> then my confusion runs deeper
[09:47:33] <gregcnc> you can assign a different value in machine setup in fusion
[09:47:43] <Simonious> so.. when I start my work I set the toolhead right at the surface of the work and zero all 3 axis
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[09:47:57] <Simonious> xyz (0,0,0)
[09:47:59] <gregcnc> g53 is machine coordiantes
[09:48:12] <Simonious> the machine has no endstops.. (we can discuss that later if you like)
[09:48:17] <Simonious> so there are no machine coords?
[09:48:41] <gregcnc> if you don't home your machine this would be an issue
[09:48:55] <Simonious> for sure
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[09:49:07] <Simonious> so before I start the work as I mentioned above I set the toolhead above the work and touch off all 3 axis
[09:49:48] <Simonious> I guess I hit 'home' AND 'touch off'
[09:49:55] <Simonious> bear in mind I don't know what I'm doing.. but this works
[09:50:09] <Simonious> all my operations happen where I expect them too
[09:50:18] <Simonious> however.. there are two things I want to happen differently
[09:50:21] <gregcnc> in your case what i described isn't safe or what you shoudl be doing
[09:50:42] <Simonious> the two things I would like to change are:
[09:51:25] <Simonious> 1) I want the toolhead to retract to 'top height' as defined in fusion 360, before doing anything else
[09:51:39] <Simonious> when I hit go
[09:51:48] <Simonious> 2) same as above - but as final action
[09:52:06] <Simonious> these two behaviors would prevent all of the times I drag the tool through the work..
[09:53:13] <gregcnc> because virtually all machines use limits and machine cooridnates, machine setup in the CAM does this automatically and why you see G53 moves
[09:54:23] <gregcnc> to make this change you need to revise the post, by fumbling around I could get through it. google and the fusion forums would help you
[09:55:04] <Simonious> so at present after I set the xyz position and hit go, the machine does an XY reposition and then 'starts' the CAM. This means if I forget to raise the toolhead BEFORE hitting go, it *may* lightly score the material
[09:55:18] <Simonious> yeah, I've been doing some of that fumbling
[09:55:19] <gregcnc> in understand
[09:55:29] <gregcnc> this is due to not having proper machine setup
[09:55:41] <Simonious> what am I lacking?
[09:55:47] <gregcnc> homing
[09:56:05] <gregcnc> which defines machine coordinates
[09:56:18] <Simonious> stands to reason
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[09:57:05] <Simonious> there is a whole conversation on that topic about this machine that I'm presently avoiding to stay focused..
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[09:57:24] <gregcnc> right whatever the reason for the lack of homing, that is the cause
[09:58:41] <gregcnc> but a post mod will get you what you need, with the possibility that sometimes it will crash Z+ because it doesn't know where Z end stops are
[09:58:51] <Simonious> I suspect if I added a one liner to the end of onOpen that would do Z(topheight) (in whatever notation is correct) that would solve 90% of my troubles
[09:59:37] <Simonious> Without getting into the endstop conversation there is a hardware protection layer on this machine both in terms of endstops AND servo feedback, so while the computer is not presently aware of that information the machine will not tear itself up
[10:00:35] <gregcnc> OK so worst case is you'll have to goback and repost files if that happens
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[10:01:16] <Simonious> Why would I need to repost if I did manage to crash the machine?
[10:01:39] <Simonious> oh..
[10:01:44] <Simonious> you mean if it were a _Bad_ post
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[10:01:51] <Simonious> yeah, I'm not in danger of murdering the machine
[10:01:58] <sealive> Guten Tag Deutsche Hier ?
[10:02:17] <Simonious> sealive: pas moi
[10:03:12] <sealive> Then a Dry Enlish
[10:04:09] <gregcnc> I would try looking at machine config -> post and revise retract Z to a small + value (this si the G53 value being commanded)
[10:04:35] <sealive> Lothar the Onkle How Bild al The School CNC HAS DIED Last 16 august
[10:05:05] <Simonious> gregcnc: yeah, thinking about it more, I think I ONLY need one change, that initial Z lift should solve the problem.
[10:05:20] <sealive> Me deleted all Youtube Videos
[10:05:31] <gregcnc> Ichgucks?
[10:05:45] <sealive> YES
[10:05:59] <sealive> 16Aug 2018
[10:06:01] <gregcnc> oh how sad, my condolences
[10:07:23] <sealive> If He Got a Account one Please Delete it
[10:07:39] <sealive> If Posible
[10:08:09] <sealive> OFF
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[10:22:41] <JT-Shop> they are loading up the crawler now ... it got a new zip code yesterday
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[10:29:09] <Simonious> problem is pretty obvious now that I'm into it: https://ghostbin.com N55 there does the first move having done nothing with Z, I really need something to get Z up a little before that! 0.2 0.4 0.6 Top Height, anything
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[10:59:05] <gregcnc> simonious did you find machine config?
[10:59:15] <Simonious> gregcnc: got distracted by a shop tour
[10:59:34] <Simonious> what are we talking about? Machine config? is that a wizard in F360 or something?
[10:59:46] <Simonious> err linuxCNC?
[10:59:58] <Simonious> I've been through the machine config before, I'm still planning to modify the post.
[11:00:04] <gregcnc> in F360, I don't use f360 often so the terminology may be different
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[11:09:31] <gregcnc> simonious in F360 in the post process dialog do you have any values for G53 in the chart on the bottom right?
[11:10:12] <Simonious> G53 doesn't make the list at all
[11:10:16] <Simonious> no mention
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[11:11:20] <gregcnc> I see, the posts are a bit different for f360 than HSMexpress
[11:12:22] <gregcnc> the post 11337_Fanuc Millturn V5.cps has a set of machine properties under user defined properties
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[12:58:32] <fragalot> miss0r: have you scraped anything yet?
[12:59:22] <miss0r> fragalot: my knees several times
[12:59:39] <gregcnc> wasn't that when you were 8yo?
[12:59:51] <miss0r> gregcnc: Does that not count still?
[13:00:09] <fragalot> I didn't know you bent that way
[13:00:15] <miss0r> fragalot: I was planning on messing around with it today, but ended up having alot og work comming my way
[13:00:22] <gregcnc> before alcohol doesn't count, there is a new tally
[13:00:24] <miss0r> I don't anymore :)
[13:00:56] <miss0r> gregcnc: This is Denmark. What makes you think 8yo was before alcohol? :P
[13:01:17] <gregcnc> pfft no idea, how did you even survive in that case
[13:02:15] <miss0r> :]
[13:02:56] <Loetmichel> miss0r: the first pictore that exists of me is when i have a bottle of champagne at my mouth.. and a parent hand supporting it from behind, the bottle being bigger than myself at age 3 or 4 ;)
[13:04:32] <miss0r> Loetmichel: I have one of me about the same age, where I have snatched my fathers beer.
[13:04:48] <miss0r> well.. the few droplets left in it anyway :)
[13:04:50] <CaptHindsight> alcohol and bare breasts are the reasons for all the evil in the USA
[13:05:17] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: Sure. Its how babys are made
[13:05:27] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: at least when you ask the "mothers against porn" executives ;)
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[13:06:19] <CaptHindsight> it can't be due to how we teach children or treat them
[13:06:43] <miss0r> I blame violent video games.. or CANADA!
[13:06:44] <miss0r> :P
[13:09:00] <CaptHindsight> I don't order from Amazon much but they show up before noon with their own van
[13:09:11] <gregcnc> gah why does yt not record everything in history? i watched a 5x welding printer the other day
[13:09:45] <gregcnc> I ordered some pc parts and got the the same evening from amazon, looked like a guy driving his own car
[13:10:04] <gregcnc> but usually the white van shows up
[13:10:18] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: did you ask him if he came from Kenosha?
[13:10:43] <gregcnc> i didn't ask, wife ran out because the guy looked lost
[13:10:50] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: are your deliveries after 5pm or?
[13:11:13] <CaptHindsight> I changed my account with them to a business version
[13:11:15] <gregcnc> seems variable, this same day was promised by 9pm, and he made it by 10 min
[13:11:22] <gregcnc> ah
[13:12:02] <gregcnc> i think most are by 5pm or so
[13:12:26] <CaptHindsight> they promised by Tuesday 9pm, arrived today at 11:30am
[13:12:51] <gregcnc> more frustrated that the amazon prime video app wont work with chromecast
[13:13:09] <gregcnc> i ordred just before the cutoff
[13:15:11] <CaptHindsight> last time we got our box and the water treatment system from someone else, they were actually upset with me that I hand trucked it next door
[13:15:59] <gregcnc> ah it was kuka and mwes https://youtu.be
[13:16:13] <gregcnc> amazon or your neighbor?
[13:17:22] <CaptHindsight> neighbor, they would probably kill the messenger as well
[13:17:41] <gregcnc> next time have the driver pick it up a week later
[13:17:51] <CaptHindsight> oh yeah
[13:18:23] <CaptHindsight> "we got yer box last week, soory we wuz busy"
[13:18:52] <gregcnc> doing imts?
[13:19:15] <CaptHindsight> yeah, not sure which days, probably the warmer ones
[13:19:39] <CaptHindsight> I'm enjoying the hell out of this cooler weather
[13:20:16] <gregcnc> it's nice, I can work in the garage without killing myself
[13:26:48] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: was looking at the RC servos to use a s quick hack in place of voice coil motors
[13:27:22] <gregcnc> i'd be concerned about life
[13:27:25] <CaptHindsight> they have gotten faster
[13:27:59] <CaptHindsight> not for production, just until I build real voice coil servos
[13:28:59] <gregcnc> most basic fast servos will have coreless motors, new high end types brushless
[13:29:16] <CaptHindsight> was really surprised bu how many more miniature motion parts the robot shop now stocks
[13:30:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.robotshop.com
[13:31:16] <CaptHindsight> not a single voice coil positioner however
[13:32:19] <gregcnc> i've seen some of those linear types listed on rc plane sites
[13:33:00] <gregcnc> are you making some like used in hdd?
[13:36:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.h2wtech.com
[13:37:13] <gregcnc> linear not rotary
[13:37:37] <CaptHindsight> closed loop, haven't decided on what feedback to LCNC
[13:39:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com complete setup with feedback
[13:42:43] <CaptHindsight> http://resources.renishaw.com
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[13:45:29] <gregcnc> i saw these while looking for feedback on a project i'm involved in https://www.zettlex.com
[13:46:00] <gregcnc> probably not enoguh resolution for you
[13:47:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.zettlex.com
[13:47:31] <CaptHindsight> <5um
[13:47:38] <CaptHindsight> how much are they?
[13:48:06] <gregcnc> didn't get that far yet
[13:48:52] <CaptHindsight> ah after 5pm in that pompus kingdom with queens and all
[13:49:53] <roycroft> um, we have a pompous queen ourselves these days, don't we? :)
[13:49:56] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: they have a webshop with "finished" ones
[13:50:19] <roycroft> or is it a pompous emperor without clothing?
[13:50:20] <CaptHindsight> they have an office in Evanston
[13:50:36] <fragalot> though those output 4-20mA or 0-10V, so I wouldn't expect 5µ resolution from those :P
[13:51:48] <CaptHindsight> 15mm / 5um = something
[13:52:55] <CaptHindsight> 3000
[13:53:16] <CaptHindsight> I only need ~5mm/100
[13:53:42] <CaptHindsight> ~50um is plenty
[13:53:44] <gregcnc> 12 bit resolution they say
[13:54:38] <gregcnc> 1khz fast enough?
[13:54:55] <CaptHindsight> my concern with those is the mass
[13:55:22] <CaptHindsight> oh yeah, will probably be 10hz
[13:58:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.zettlex.com has only the bigger stuff
[13:59:34] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: we certainly do, not to mention orange
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[14:11:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.celeramotion.com
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[14:17:48] <sealive> I am the GrandChild IchGucksLive
[14:18:05] <sealive> Want Update 7i76
[14:18:17] <sealive> gettin Error
[14:18:53] <sealive> Line 5 6 "and now" Unknown
[14:19:13] <sealive> Need Help
[14:19:35] <pink_vampire> hi sealive
[14:19:59] <sealive> Good Evening
[14:20:22] <sealive> Using "sudo ./ssinstall"
[14:20:22] <CaptHindsight> line 5 and 6 of what?
[14:20:40] <sealive> "update7i76"
[14:21:12] <sealive> Do I Need this Togetther
[14:21:20] <CaptHindsight> updating the firmware?
[14:21:35] <sealive> "sudo ./ssinstall update7i76"
[14:21:44] <sealive> Yes
[14:22:32] <CaptHindsight> maybe pcw_mesa or JT-Shop knows, I don't keep track
[14:22:39] <sealive> 5i25 V43 OK
[14:23:32] <sealive> Info Grandpa IchGucksLive has passed away on Aug16th
[14:23:52] <Tom_L> no kidding?
[14:23:55] <Tom_L> that's sad
[14:23:58] <CaptHindsight> oh no
[14:24:10] <CaptHindsight> what happened?
[14:24:15] <pcw_mesa> Sorry to hear that
[14:24:18] <sealive> i Got So Many EMI on the Plasma
[14:25:05] <CaptHindsight> sealive: he was in this channel nearly every day for years and years
[14:25:31] <CaptHindsight> was away when he volunteered at that park for a few years
[14:25:34] <sealive> I Know and it is Hart belve to be here
[14:25:47] <CaptHindsight> my condolences
[14:25:56] <Loetmichel> sealive: oh. thats bad to hear. my condolences, too
[14:27:01] <sealive> Need Help on that 7i76 update
[14:27:19] <pcw_mesa> what update do you need?
[14:27:34] <sealive> Now it Breaks the Firm on Plasma On
[14:28:11] <sealive> I got all R14 on Linuxcnc 2.7.4 Ubuntu 10.04
[14:28:27] <sealive> the 5i25 Update worked
[14:28:28] <pcw_mesa> R14 is the latest
[14:28:37] <sealive> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --write 5i25_7i76x2.bit
[14:28:56] <sealive> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --verify 5i25_7i76x2.bit OK
[14:29:15] <sealive> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --reload and power
[14:29:54] <sealive> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --sserial 43
[14:30:25] <sealive> NOW all Poiwer OFF
[14:30:34] <sealive> W3 right
[14:30:41] <sealive> START PC
[14:30:55] <sealive> Power 7i76
[14:33:06] <sealive> Folder "Download/2018/7i76/utils/linuxcnc
[14:33:19] <sealive> sudo ./ssinstall
[14:33:28] <sealive> update7i76
[14:33:33] <sealive> Error
[14:34:33] <pcw_mesa> There is no point in updating the 7I76 firmware since R14 is current
[14:34:52] <sealive> the system is 2012
[14:35:28] <sealive> the Control is older
[14:36:02] <sealive> 5i25 has 33
[14:36:12] <sealive> now 43
[14:36:22] <pcw_mesa> does linuxcnc complain about the 7I76?
[14:36:38] <sealive> no
[14:37:12] <sealive> Com error and Full Poweroff 7i76
[14:37:32] <sealive> on Plasma ON
[14:37:35] <pcw_mesa> Pretty sure that means that you already have R14
[14:38:30] <sealive> update is not working i Like to see
[14:39:25] <pcw_mesa> You can read the firmware revision from LinuxCNC
[14:39:26] <pcw_mesa> If its 14 (0x0e) theres no point in updating it
[14:40:18] <sealive> pcw_mesa, com 13 error Read io www Update Firmware
[14:41:32] <sealive> and i tink 3 out alredy broken out 2 4 6
[14:42:26] <sealive> can i check the 7i76 Function
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[14:42:46] <sealive> broken Pin ?
[14:44:25] <sealive> Main Problem Huge S100 M3
[14:44:49] <sealive> Lights in House Off PC Monitor Down
[14:46:08] <sealive> NO THC Connected Wire Hard Disconnect
[14:46:59] <sealive> Control not on Table
[14:47:53] <sealive> Plasma ON Relay only Cable to Plasma
[14:49:30] <sealive> pcw_mesa, Read Firmware ? sudo mesaflash --device 7i76 --readhmid
[14:50:24] <pcw_mesa> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --sserial
[14:50:26] <pcw_mesa> I think
[14:51:35] <sealive> pcw_mesa, why update not working anyway
[14:53:29] <pcw_mesa> not sure, did you do the W3? jumper change and power cycle after every jumper change?
[14:53:45] <sealive> yes
[14:53:48] <pcw_mesa> power cycle the 7I76 fiield power
[14:53:56] <sealive> yes
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[14:54:35] <sealive> pcw_mesa, loadrt setsserial cmd="flash hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0 hm2/sserial/7I76R14.BIN"
[14:55:04] <sealive> the Folder Download has no /hm2
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[14:56:29] <pcw_mesa> the install script is supposed to install the firmware in /lib/firmware/hm2/sserial
[14:57:30] <pcw_mesa> (and /lib/firmware is where setsserial looks for it)
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[15:00:00] <sealive> Thanks I Look next Weak
[15:00:23] <sealive> OFF
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[15:07:43] <jthornton> pcw_mesa: on the 7i96 when flashed for pwm is step4- and step4+ connected to in1 and in2 on this l298n? https://us.banggood.com
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[15:08:13] <pcw_mesa> umm...
[15:08:23] <jthornton> that's what I said
[15:09:04] <pcw_mesa> let me look at a LM298 data sheet
[15:09:28] <jthornton> ok, thanks
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[15:12:21] <jthornton> this is all I see on the web page When ENA enable IN1 IN2 control OUT1 OUT2 When ENB enable IN3 IN4 control OUT3 OUT4
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[15:15:29] <pcw_mesa> OK I _Think_ its like this: 7I96 PWM --> Enable, 7I96DIR+ --> in1, 7I96DIR- --> in2
[15:15:47] <CaptHindsight> Oh holy nickserve, hallowed be thy name.....
[15:16:33] <jthornton> ok thanks
[15:16:45] <jthornton> the enable is a jumper on the board
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[15:18:32] <jthornton> hmm I need all 4 outputs to drive the stepper I think so in1, in2 and in3, in4
[15:19:05] <pcw_mesa> well PWM+ to IN1 and PWM- to IN2 should work as well but that's whats called locked antiphase mode so 50% PWM = 0 motor current
[15:19:40] <pcw_mesa> you are running a step motor?
[15:19:54] <jthornton> yes
[15:20:22] <jthornton> for a dc motor I just need one side I think
[15:20:41] <pcw_mesa> Yes one side per DC motor
[15:21:32] <jthornton> I found this for using with an arduino https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:21:39] <pcw_mesa> step motor will have no current control and needs a stepgen not a PWMgen
[15:21:55] <jthornton> ah ok, I'll dig up a small dc motor then
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[15:22:42] <CaptHindsight> pcw_mesa: how fast is that 12b DAC 7I87?
[15:22:54] <jthornton> thanks for the help
[15:23:13] <pcw_mesa> I think you can drive a (high impedance = 12/24V) stepmotor with 1 stepgen and in1,2,3,4
[15:23:48] <pcw_mesa> (using quadrature modes and both output polarities)
[15:24:03] <jthornton> I need to test my code for the pwm to make sure it works :)
[15:24:20] <CaptHindsight> found it ~3 KHz bandpass for 12 bit resolution numbers and ~200Hz bandwidth for16 bit
[15:24:28] <Papagno> hi
[15:24:39] <jthornton> gotta run
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[15:25:23] <pcw_mesa> Yeah the 7I87 samples at 50 KHz I believe but its always averaged
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[15:26:47] <Papagno> hi
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[15:28:33] <Papagno> hi
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[15:42:40] <Papagno> .
[15:43:50] <Papagno> how can use channel operator
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[15:45:06] <Papagno> Hi at all
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[15:45:48] <gloops> hello
[15:46:01] <gloops> Papagno
[15:46:23] <Papagno> gloops, i have register a new nick on freenode
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[15:47:04] <Papagno> gloops, now can write on linuxcnc ?
[15:47:13] <gloops> did we know you by a different name Papagno?
[15:47:29] <gloops> yes - can see your comments
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[15:48:07] <Papagno> because my old nick : Motioncontrol not can register in freenode and i don't understant because it.
[15:51:44] <CaptHindsight> http://i43.tinypic.com came across this while search for IchGucks posts
[15:52:12] <CaptHindsight> search/searching
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[15:54:02] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Is it wrong that I think it's awesome?
[15:55:19] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: getting a firearms manufacturing license myself
[15:56:42] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: hihi. "not a fxxxing thing..." thats reasonable ;)
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[15:59:30] <Papagno> h
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[16:00:47] <gloops> Ichs was here earlier
[16:00:57] <gloops> called 'sealive'
[16:01:13] <gloops> very similar nick
[16:02:44] <mozmck> gloops: in case you missed it, that was Ich's grandson - who said Ichs died August 16
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[16:02:58] <mozmck> oops - no gloops
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[16:07:19] <gloops> mozmck you are joking?
[16:07:44] <gloops> jeez that explains it
[16:07:54] <mozmck> no: (01:26:32 PM) sealive: Info Grandpa IchGucksLive has passed away on Aug16th
[16:08:07] <gloops> yes you are right, i misread it
[16:08:25] <gloops> oh God, old Ichs gone...
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[16:15:41] <pink_vampire> wow, sorry to hear that.!!
[16:16:32] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive was helping me a lot with the setup and the configuration of linux cnc.
[16:17:13] <gloops> yes, Ichs helped thousands of people get their first cnc running, including me
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[16:17:55] <gloops> i mean, we had our political differences, him being german and all
[16:18:13] <gloops> but i liked him
[16:18:39] <pink_vampire> I liked him a lot, he was funny
[16:18:57] <gloops> also, he seemed like a fit guy - was always cycling and gardening etc
[16:19:02] <gloops> still working
[16:20:18] <gloops> dont suppose we know how he died? terrible thing to think, but surely not an accident? electrical or something
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[16:58:07] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:16:50] <XXCoder> wow ich died? :(
[17:17:17] <XXCoder> thats sad
[17:17:26] <pink_vampire> yeah
[17:17:54] <XXCoder> he was pretty old from what I recall. he were basically retired, went off to forestery for 2 years
[17:18:13] <XXCoder> returned to work I think to have something to do, more than needing money
[17:20:25] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[17:20:45] <pink_vampire> this is look like a very interesting cnc machine
[17:20:51] <XXCoder> yeah and bit weak
[17:21:07] <XXCoder> I saw one of those machines running in video. backlash were insane
[17:21:10] <XXCoder> fine for wood tho
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[17:22:10] <pink_vampire> what do you mean by "backlash were insane"?
[17:22:13] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[17:22:46] <XXCoder> I could see spindle move around as it was cutting from sideload
[17:24:01] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[17:24:10] <pink_vampire> cutting metal
[17:24:14] <XXCoder> looking
[17:24:38] <XXCoder> definitely cutting slowly. smart
[17:25:09] <XXCoder> I cant tell if its being rigid, does you hear it chattering or something like that?
[17:25:52] <XXCoder> chips look to be good size, bit less than .001" and very rapid. its almost rubboing fast
[17:26:02] <XXCoder> good for limited machine I guess
[17:26:11] <pink_vampire> https://www.lowes.com
[17:26:18] <pink_vampire> this is the spindle!
[17:26:20] <pink_vampire> WOW
[17:26:36] <JT-Shop> pcw_mesa: could I use a 12v computer fan as a test motor for the pwm drive?
[17:26:40] <pink_vampire> $52.99
[17:26:51] <XXCoder> not surpised thats nice one
[17:27:35] <XXCoder> it hs large collor for attaching
[17:27:58] <XXCoder> I still have edge router I orginially planned to use for cnc router lol
[17:28:18] <pcw_mesa> JT-Shop: probably not because they contain electronics and will not run backwards
[17:28:33] <JT-Shop> ok, I'll keep looking :)
[17:28:51] <XXCoder> you got a dead washer somewhere?
[17:29:02] <XXCoder> could use relay lol
[17:29:32] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: one you linked to definitely seems better designed than one I saw
[17:31:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i need to go :(
[17:31:43] <XXCoder> go where?
[17:36:42] <pink_vampire> do some stuff
[17:36:49] <XXCoder> ahh have fun :)
[17:36:58] <XXCoder> I thought you were going away for long term! lol
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[17:44:49] <XXCoder> hey gloops
[17:45:02] <gloops> hi man
[17:45:46] <XXCoder> about ich anything really is possible, he was pretty old. maybe he had cancer, or had heart attack and so on
[17:47:00] <gloops> yeah i suppose, didnt speak of any illness the last times i saw him, but these things move fast
[17:47:21] <XXCoder> or he kept it personal
[17:47:33] <gloops> yeah maybe that too
[17:47:43] <XXCoder> all kinds of shit could happen, like founder of one of my favorite sites died suddenly
[17:47:53] <XXCoder> family didnt say what happened but he was at late 30s
[17:48:02] <gloops> true, it could be any of us
[17:48:26] <XXCoder> he was 2 years older than me. im now 5 years older than his final age
[17:48:33] <XXCoder> times so fast
[17:49:19] <gloops> i knew someone my age with lung cancer, went to the docs a few weeks before xmas - kept him in, he was dead about a month later
[17:50:01] <SpeedEvil> Lilo (freenode) got hit by a car while biking.
[17:53:32] <XXCoder> sucks
[18:02:50] <gloops> well, i hope Ichs youtube channel will stay up, its helped me a bit
[18:03:44] <XXCoder> likely just no new videos
[18:06:10] <XXCoder> I never could watch his videos, sadly
[18:06:27] <XXCoder> my brain simply cant take random blurs, noises and video movements
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[18:21:57] <MarcelineVQ> sad day in linuccnc-land
[18:23:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:25:48] <MarcelineVQ> ef. Went to go mirror the vids and the channel is gone.
[18:27:30] <XXCoder> what it was removed??
[18:28:06] <MarcelineVQ> Yeah, given the short timeframe I would guess the family is closing out accounts
[18:28:43] <MarcelineVQ> Or it was done before I guess, admit I hadn't check the channel in awhile
[18:28:46] <XXCoder> but why not leave videos for others?
[18:29:04] <XXCoder> its been useless to me but it certainly helped others
[18:29:18] <MarcelineVQ> I got my setup started with it
[18:33:18] <XXCoder> once its gone its probably gone period. I dont think ich kept source videos
[18:33:31] <XXCoder> what was his yt nick anyway
[18:35:06] <MarcelineVQ> I don't know, the channel name was MAGIG CNC Maschines :)
[18:40:07] <XXCoder> it says no such channel, I need nick to find account
[18:40:16] <XXCoder> then I might be able to find private videos
[18:40:23] <XXCoder> it may be just set to provate
[18:40:53] <XXCoder> youtube.tk is REALLY annoying
[18:41:00] <XXCoder> *pk
[18:42:04] <XXCoder> strange there was one at clip.fail, video was deleted
[18:42:17] <pink_vampire> what is youtube.pk??
[18:42:23] <XXCoder> ripoff of youtubve
[18:42:34] <XXCoder> who know if ti has malware dont visit
[18:42:49] <XXCoder> https://plus.google.com no additional info
[18:43:45] <XXCoder> added contact, theres npothing in it dammit.
[18:46:23] <XXCoder> argh! freecad has topic menioning his channel but it has no direct link or nick name
[18:47:44] <pink_vampire> the videos are removed
[18:48:19] <XXCoder> channel is yeah I'm hoping if I find orginial nick I could then search if guy made videos private not deleted
[18:49:09] <pink_vampire> how?
[18:49:32] <XXCoder> forgot exazct procure they probably patched anyway
[18:50:50] <XXCoder> finlly found one direct link to video (not channel)
[18:50:56] <XXCoder> This video is no longer available because the uploader has closed their YouTube account.
[18:51:03] <XXCoder> too bad so it is indeed gone
[18:52:18] <pink_vampire> why??
[18:52:23] <XXCoder> no idea
[18:52:41] <XXCoder> maybe it was in ich's will
[18:53:01] * SpeedEvil plays the appropriate Rammstein track.
[18:53:12] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what do you mean?
[18:53:44] <SpeedEvil> If you want content to remain available, store it locally, in multiple redundant backups.
[18:54:36] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: sometimes people write a Will, putting in what things are given to who, as well as digitial will which means "I want to close those and those accounts, and go to freenode to tell people I died"
[18:54:46] <XXCoder> I need to write mine
[18:54:55] <XXCoder> I may be just 42 but who knows
[18:58:11] <pink_vampire> i was using his videos several times.
[18:59:11] <pink_vampire> technically linux cnc is open source..
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[19:00:42] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: did you make any move with your machine?
[19:00:59] <XXCoder> it was running pretty good before I had to move to this current home
[19:01:08] <XXCoder> no room at all to run at all so its been idle in closet
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[19:01:30] <pink_vampire> :(
[19:01:34] <pink_vampire> not fun
[19:03:12] <Tom_L> he was 72
[19:03:52] <pink_vampire> WOW
[19:04:18] <pink_vampire> we need to move to a better platform
[19:04:32] <CaptHindsight> Ich's grandson said he could not tell me what happened
[19:05:05] <CaptHindsight> I asked him if he would consider putting some of his videos back up since they were very helpful to many noobs
[19:05:15] <CaptHindsight> he said he might in the future
[19:06:34] <pink_vampire> I hope he is not suicide
[19:06:50] <XXCoder> doubtful but who knows
[19:07:25] <Tom_L> yeah, bourdain did
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[19:09:11] <pink_vampire> I can't find a good explanation why someone will remove his stuff?
[19:09:42] <Tom_L> because you don't know the circumstances
[19:10:03] <XXCoder> I doubt we will know
[19:10:28] <XXCoder> talking about former regulars, anyone ever hear anything from archivist?
[19:10:42] <CaptHindsight> I'd have to search the logs for links to his pics
[19:11:08] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: could search for nick and .jpg for example combos
[19:11:11] <CaptHindsight> he mentioned the University he had the CNC classes at
[19:11:16] <XXCoder> or imgur if he used it
[19:11:32] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: heh I hope he is still alive
[19:11:47] <XXCoder> i hope so too
[19:11:57] <Tom_L> he's busy
[19:12:01] <CaptHindsight> he had a recent one with him standing at the podium to a full house
[19:12:09] <Tom_L> someone contacted him
[19:12:21] <XXCoder> he should log once a while to keep nick
[19:12:25] <XXCoder> 6 months to expire
[19:12:58] <CaptHindsight> he might want that
[19:13:06] <CaptHindsight> he was getting pretty fed up
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[19:13:55] <XXCoder> with noobs or what?
[19:15:01] <CaptHindsight> Ichs was still editing the LCNC wiki on Aug 09
[19:17:06] <CaptHindsight> github accounts are also gone
[19:17:30] <pink_vampire> why?
[19:17:34] <pink_vampire> wtf
[19:17:51] <XXCoder> it may be in will. who knows
[19:19:58] <CaptHindsight> "canD tell"
[19:23:37] <pink_vampire> I think he died in a cnc accident, and now all his family want to prevent that from happen to other, so they removed all his cnc related content.
[19:23:53] <XXCoder> kinda doubtful
[19:24:23] <XXCoder> recently coworker ripped palm and top of hand skin off, but all of us went to work anyway
[19:24:43] <XXCoder> last I heard doctors is trying to get blood to circulute in reattached skins
[19:25:29] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: there is a lack of information, so we can make our own conspiracy theory..
[19:25:52] <XXCoder> im not much for going on without information
[19:26:23] <Tom_L> makes us look silly when the truth is known
[19:27:34] <Tom_L> xx did they save his hand or do grafts?
[19:27:53] <XXCoder> last I heard both sides was reattached but its been a week so dunno
[19:27:59] <XXCoder> guy wont be back for months
[19:29:20] <XXCoder> PT alone will take months
[19:29:23] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: on a lathe? or a mill?
[19:29:28] <pink_vampire> CNC? manual?
[19:29:33] <XXCoder> nether, mill techinically
[19:29:51] <XXCoder> he was fishing for part in rear in coolant bin
[19:30:06] <XXCoder> his hand got caught between wall and chip moving belt
[19:30:25] <pink_vampire> WOWW
[19:30:48] <XXCoder> it can be on or off seperately from mill running so I dont know why he didnt check
[19:31:04] <XXCoder> even when I KNOW its off, I still very slowly check if belt is moving or not first.
[19:31:15] <XXCoder> or even better, completely power off.
[19:32:22] <gloops> re archivist not heard any more of him, a while after he left someone in his toen said he was fine and in good health
[19:33:14] <gloops> he was obviously occupied with some business or work kind of enterprise shortly before he left
[19:33:52] <gloops> also, his interests seemed to be getting beyond general machining chit chat
[19:34:10] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: that day last 3 hours I had seriously hard time working, my speed was way dpwn
[19:34:22] <XXCoder> because hand getting hurt is my second worse fear
[19:35:06] <Tom_L> easy to happen around the tools we work with
[19:35:15] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:35:26] <CaptHindsight> bey hes bequest hath said that none shalth benownst the toen or place hes be gone to
[19:35:45] <pink_vampire> i wonder what you will think about me if i will disappear
[19:35:58] <XXCoder> you did few times
[19:36:07] <pink_vampire> i know
[19:36:29] <CaptHindsight> I'm not even sure what i just said :)
[19:36:33] <gloops> i noticed you had gone pink_vampire
[19:36:37] <XXCoder> I was bit worried but same time you are young or in least young-ish? not too sure on your age so I figured it was breaks from irc or machining
[19:37:09] <XXCoder> I oubt anyone noticed when I was missing for couple weeks lol
[19:37:23] <gloops> i went for a month or so and all i got was 'ohh..youre back gloops' lol
[19:37:54] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I'm the oldest teenager
[19:38:07] <XXCoder> is that like the world tallest midget?
[19:38:43] <Tom_L> pink, no that was Dick Clark
[19:39:34] <pink_vampire> O_o
[19:41:20] <pink_vampire> we need to find a better way to communicate, the irc is not up to date, and other then text it not support anything
[19:41:47] <XXCoder> https://xkcd.com
[19:41:51] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33 moved to Thailand
[19:41:53] <Tom_L> there is other social media
[19:41:56] <Tom_L> i avoid it
[19:42:07] <CaptHindsight> still posts on the mail list
[19:44:41] <CaptHindsight> IRC was never taken over by web hipsters
[19:44:51] <MarcelineVQ> a more relevant xkcd imo, https://xkcd.com whenever a new communication service comes out you just end up with people more spread out than ever without a clear idea of which place will help them best
[19:45:03] <XXCoder> :)
[19:45:32] <CaptHindsight> they are required to reinvent whatever they find interesting
[19:45:45] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: discord, and whatsapp also very professional
[19:46:04] <XXCoder> one thing I dont like about discord? its one server,.
[19:46:16] <XXCoder> irc is quite tough
[19:46:35] <CaptHindsight> "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
[19:49:02] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: no voice, no image and links preview, no way to run it reliable on a phone, no archive, poor notification.
[19:49:23] <CaptHindsight> one can remain anonymous on IRC, that been kinds frowned on by back doored social sites
[19:49:37] <CaptHindsight> kins/kinda
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[19:50:12] <XXCoder> discord: one server. take that down and no more channels. all of em
[19:50:30] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: all your date is sent here in plan text
[19:50:40] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: they have more
[19:50:42] <Tom_L> that's a problem?
[19:50:47] <pink_vampire> I'm on discord
[19:51:05] <MarcelineVQ> In an era where you will be fired for having the wrong opinion anonymity is the only way to preserve free speech online.
[19:51:37] <Tom_L> even now you're linked to a registered nick
[19:51:37] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: all owned by one company
[19:51:54] <pink_vampire> you can't delete stuff on IRC
[19:51:56] <XXCoder> that company goes under and by bye
[19:52:25] <Tom_L> good you think you can on other media
[19:53:13] <pink_vampire> IchGucksLive delete all his stuff
[19:53:27] <gloops> freenode has banned tor connections you can join with vpn though i think
[19:53:36] <gloops> (if you want to be anon)
[19:54:01] <gloops> pink_vampire from youtube?
[19:54:27] <pink_vampire> gloops: all his accounts
[19:55:01] <CaptHindsight> some VPN'S are blacklisted on freenode
[19:55:21] <gloops> well, ive seen relatives come on irc before when someone is deceased, i really doubt anyone in my family would try to do that, or even know how
[19:55:34] <Loetmichel> i thing (if its true that he is dead) that was more likely something his relatives did
[19:55:53] <Loetmichel> think
[19:55:59] <pink_vampire> maybe
[19:56:17] <gloops> you think he may have faked his own death online Loetmichel?
[19:56:52] <CaptHindsight> like a scene from the Godfather?
[19:56:52] <gloops> you know, sealive has been around in here for a few weeks
[19:56:54] <Loetmichel> gloops: no. so far i have only heard the statemend of some "anonymus" irc nick
[19:57:00] <Loetmichel> his grandson.
[19:57:09] <Loetmichel> that may or may not be true
[19:57:15] <gloops> CaptHindsight i forget which great poet said he'd love to be at his own funeral
[19:57:44] <Loetmichel> so i reserve the posibility that he is NOT dead until i get more evidence
[19:58:01] <Loetmichel> gloops: mark twain perhaps?
[19:58:30] <gloops> HenryV did it on the night before the great battle of Agincourt, he dressed as a commoner and mingled with the troops - to see what they said of the king, who they suspected was dead
[19:58:41] <gloops> he heard only great things about himself
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[19:58:56] <CaptHindsight> maybe he wants to take over the open source CNC world
[19:59:30] <gloops> maybe a machine assimilated him, like in Tron
[19:59:40] <CaptHindsight> but coming back from the dead only works on sitcoms and maybe the bible stuff
[19:59:49] <Tom_L> be curious what directon freecad takes
[20:00:20] <gloops> yes, Ichs spotted a real problem with freecad - the cam bench
[20:00:33] <gloops> a lot of people are looking for free useable cam software
[20:00:44] <CaptHindsight> is freecad a Russian secret project?
[20:01:08] <pink_vampire> i don't think so
[20:01:15] <pink_vampire> this is a nice machinist server on discord, https://discord.gg
[20:01:26] <gloops> i considered that, but 'freecad' doesnt seem to be an anagram of any great soviet leader
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[20:01:38] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: no, i meant i cant tell if that irc nick told the truth about anything, so he might not even be his grandson. until i see some more evidence i will entertain the possibility that it was just a way for the "grandson" to get his questions answered quicker... not a high possibility though.
[20:01:54] <XXCoder> gloops: he worked on cam a LOT
[20:02:13] <pink_vampire> I have to do house related stuff, so I will be AFK
[20:02:15] <CaptHindsight> murder over 4-5 axis CAM?
[20:02:19] <gloops> XXCoder yes some progress was made i think with cam in freecad
[20:02:32] <XXCoder> its been worked by someone for quite a while
[20:02:38] <XXCoder> ich did a lot to improve sim and stuff
[20:02:57] <CaptHindsight> DACFEER
[20:03:19] <gloops> ichs got trochoidal milling path working, but overall the .17 release was very buggy and they stripped many of the new features off
[20:03:40] <pink_vampire> maybe it was autodesk that saw the potential and save their F360?
[20:04:01] <CaptHindsight> LeninCAM
[20:04:17] <gloops> pink_vampire f360 is very popular, but you have to sell your soul to use it
[20:04:17] <XXCoder> I have heard nothing on assembly3 for freecad. is someone still working on it?
[20:04:26] <XXCoder> if not, I guess assembly curse strikes again
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[20:04:49] <pink_vampire> gloops: did you say what onshape did?
[20:04:54] <pink_vampire> saw*
[20:05:07] <gloops> not used onshape
[20:05:15] <CaptHindsight> ShevicksBolCAM.... not joining that group
[20:05:54] <gloops> i have downloaded f360, and now my TV switches channel on its own, mainly to RT news or old footage of sputnik launches
[20:06:12] <CaptHindsight> MarxistsPeoplesCAM
[20:07:04] <gloops> you kinda know something is up when the only 2 primitives are a hammer and a sickel
[20:07:24] <XXCoder> I challenge you to make a cube and sphere with those
[20:07:46] <CaptHindsight> VladimirsCAMandnotanythingtoworryabout
[20:07:53] <pink_vampire> see you later
[20:07:58] <XXCoder> later pink_vampire
[20:08:53] <gloops> you know, i think ichs was a bit of nationalist, a patriot in any case
[20:09:09] <gloops> he was very keen to see german industry doing well
[20:09:44] <gloops> as is the spirit of the older germans, always will to help the young to learn and achieve and contribute
[20:09:59] <CaptHindsight> well they had a few problems starting in the 1930's
[20:10:23] <CaptHindsight> well really 1914
[20:10:33] <gloops> they made a good recovery though CaptHindsight
[20:11:03] <CaptHindsight> should have never trusted the Russians
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[20:11:30] <gloops> i guess the score will always be UK 2 Germany 0 though, dont think there will be any more great wars
[20:11:35] <CaptHindsight> don't borrow or lend money
[20:11:55] <CaptHindsight> don't ------ into the wind
[20:11:58] <roycroft> because the uk won both wars alone
[20:12:04] <CaptHindsight> don't trust the Russians
[20:12:15] <roycroft> with no help from the french or the usa or canadians or australians or almost countless other nations
[20:12:18] <CaptHindsight> pretty much all you need to know
[20:12:33] <gloops> Stalin stuck to his word until Hitler seized Bulgaria, Bulgaria is always the last straw for some reason, i reckon its a sex thing
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[20:13:18] <infornography> What is problem comrade Hindsight?
[20:13:24] <gloops> roycroft we didnt get any help for 4 years
[20:13:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah from 1935-39 :)
[20:14:04] <gloops> we call it the 39-45 war
[20:14:21] <gloops> the americans call it the 44-45 war
[20:15:10] <roycroft> we gave you ships in 1940
[20:15:13] <CaptHindsight> infornography: really means their leaders, not the average Joseph
[20:15:18] <roycroft> that was the start of us involvement in wwii
[20:15:20] <XXCoder> I still what would have happened if japan didnt attack usa
[20:15:24] <roycroft> before pearl harbor even
[20:15:31] <XXCoder> *wonder
[20:15:32] <gloops> it was only scrap metal really roycroft
[20:15:59] <roycroft> 90 working, albeit obsolete, destroyers
[20:16:04] <gloops> we had the situation under control XXCoder, churchill was a fool for getting the yanks involved
[20:16:20] <CaptHindsight> next time you're on your own
[20:16:21] <XXCoder> there was virtually no way germany would have won at all, but without aid germany would have ended up bigger
[20:17:06] <gloops> what would have happened is that the UK would have drawn on the empire, a longer war certainly, but the outcome would have been infitely better for us
[20:17:12] <roycroft> of all the bullshit you've ever spewed here, if you try to start claiming that the uk won wwii by itself, or would have won by itself, that would be the most outrageous and false
[20:17:32] <CaptHindsight> gloops: so the Soviets would have eventually moved west and taken over most of Europe?
[20:17:32] <roycroft> i'm not sure any nation would have been able to prevail on its own
[20:17:37] <roycroft> that is why there was an alliance
[20:17:49] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: no this is fun
[20:17:50] <MarcelineVQ> by population alone germany got farther than ever made sense, one of the reasons ww2 is so fascinating
[20:17:51] <gloops> as Churchill said, in the event of american non intervention 'the new world would come to the aid of the old'
[20:18:10] <roycroft> yet you proceed to spew it anyway
[20:18:25] <gloops> MarcelineVQ there was no need to panic, the german housepainter was going nowhere
[20:18:50] <roycroft> i've met many americans with their heads totally up their arses, but i don't think i've met a brit whose head is stuck ao far up it's coming back out its own mouth before
[20:18:50] <gloops> the russians hammered him, at stalingrad, and especially at kursk
[20:18:59] <gloops> he failed in the battle of Britain
[20:19:20] <gloops> just a containment operation was necessary
[20:19:38] <CaptHindsight> the idea of a Soviet France fascinates me
[20:20:03] <MarcelineVQ> how do you feel about sharia france?
[20:20:14] <CaptHindsight> also interesting
[20:20:29] <gloops> i feel we need to be seperate from it
[20:20:33] <roycroft> there will be neither soviet france nor sharia france
[20:20:39] <CaptHindsight> Falafel France is fun to say
[20:21:00] <gloops> roycroft an islamic france is inevitable
[20:21:09] <MarcelineVQ> whatever there is will it be france is the question
[20:21:17] <gloops> the demographics are irrefutable
[20:21:18] <MarcelineVQ> nations are their people after all
[20:21:32] <gloops> no it wont be france, france is lost
[20:21:49] <CaptHindsight> even better FFF Farsi Falfel France
[20:21:50] <gloops> the only thing remaining will be french buildings
[20:22:13] <gloops> there are now more mosques in the south of france of churches
[20:22:28] <gloops> this was one of the most christian places on earth
[20:22:37] <gloops> more mosques than churches
[20:22:41] <CaptHindsight> but.. france is far less religious than it used to be
[20:23:03] <gloops> that wont last
[20:23:27] <CaptHindsight> I give france one maybe to muslim presidents before people get tired of it
[20:24:09] <CaptHindsight> we only had to have one muslim president before we got things right :P
[20:24:15] * roycroft is glad this channel is logged, because perhaps some day when gloops grows up he'll review the logs and realise how silly he acted as a lad
[20:24:29] <MarcelineVQ> ye wee bab gloops
[20:24:37] <roycroft> :)
[20:24:55] <gloops> roycroft the problem here is you wont face the facts, youve been brainwashed by liberals and feminists for so long
[20:25:17] <CaptHindsight> oh wow
[20:25:25] <CaptHindsight> here comes the real nutty stuff
[20:25:42] <roycroft> remember the words of our great leader franklin delano roosevelt: the only thing to fear is everything that is different from us that we don't understand and may not like
[20:25:49] <gloops> a) you arent in europe b) i am
[20:25:58] <roycroft> no you're not
[20:26:03] <XXCoder> so location confers wisdom?
[20:26:08] <CaptHindsight> ha got him
[20:26:09] <gloops> technically i still am
[20:26:10] <roycroft> and that's something you british nationalists scream about every day
[20:26:13] <roycroft> that you're NOT european
[20:26:17] <roycroft> now you claim you are
[20:26:31] <CaptHindsight> how about the irish huh?
[20:26:53] <gloops> roycroft these soundbytes are nothing more than empty rhetoric, there is a real crisis in europe, growing worse even as we speak
[20:27:11] <CaptHindsight> refugee crisis?
[20:27:15] <gloops> Roosevelt knew nothing of france as it is
[20:27:22] <CaptHindsight> climate change crisis?
[20:27:26] <roycroft> which ones? the free ones or the subjugated ones? :)
[20:27:29] <gloops> he would turn in his grave if he saw it now
[20:27:36] <CaptHindsight> burrito wrap crisis?
[20:27:45] <gloops> what would hitler say if he could see germany today?
[20:27:53] <gloops> he would be horrified
[20:28:04] <CaptHindsight> "if only we had more time" ?
[20:28:10] <XXCoder> good because fuck him
[20:28:29] <gloops> and also - fuck sharia law
[20:28:48] <roycroft> yes, sharia law
[20:29:03] <roycroft> the thing that idiot nationalists fear that will never be imposed on the west
[20:29:09] <gloops> there are 400 sharia courts in the UK today
[20:29:17] <roycroft> it's all just an excuse for bigotry
[20:29:18] <gloops> astonishing
[20:29:19] <CaptHindsight> is parliament discussing adopting Sharia law now? hhmmm
[20:29:31] <gloops> yes it is
[20:29:46] <gloops> and we have
[20:30:02] <roycroft> i'm glad you agree with me that it's just an excuse for bigotry :)
[20:30:05] <XXCoder> are you wtaching your country version of fox news?
[20:30:08] <CaptHindsight> has the royals all converted as well?
[20:30:13] <roycroft> that's the first honest thing you've ever said here
[20:30:24] <tiwake> not surprising at all considering how horrible paris is now
[20:30:35] <gloops> it wont be long CaptHindsight
[20:30:43] <CaptHindsight> Paris is horrible now?
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[20:31:17] <roycroft> yeah, that new dutchess of sussex has a somewhat dark complexion
[20:31:24] <MarcelineVQ> Relegating the issues of the day to bigotry and racism only allows the issues to grow, there's no solution to be found there.
[20:31:27] <roycroft> that's the first step towards the royals adopting sharia law
[20:31:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dailymail.co.uk
[20:31:31] <gloops> https://www.theguardian.com
[20:31:52] <gloops> seriously, americans do not know
[20:31:55] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com
[20:32:07] <roycroft> marcelinevq: but if they're not going to be honest then there's nowhere to go anyway
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[20:32:11] <CaptHindsight> Britain's secretive sharia courts, so secret nobody knows about them
[20:32:11] <roycroft> i understand what you're saying
[20:32:26] <gloops> i dont give a shit about racism anymore, that term has been used to silence us, im not racist, but ive had enough
[20:32:29] <roycroft> this is the argument i have with people here all the time, people of both of the mainstream political pesuasions
[20:32:31] <CaptHindsight> in the USA we have secret socialist money give away centers
[20:32:43] <roycroft> you're worse than racist
[20:32:43] <CaptHindsight> you have to be hispanic to get benefits
[20:32:49] <gloops> i dont give a shit about islam, muslims, or whatever, i dont want it here
[20:32:49] <roycroft> yourjingoist
[20:32:56] <roycroft> you're jingoist, rather
[20:33:11] <roycroft> brittania über alles
[20:33:22] <gloops> i know what it means, its shit, and it doesnt belong here
[20:33:53] <MarcelineVQ> Is that the new term to water down, jingoist? Racism has been so abused and overused it doesn't even have a relevant meaning anymore.
[20:34:10] <CaptHindsight> I have friends in Paris, it's not bad
[20:34:11] <roycroft> marcelinevq: actually, most people don't even know what it means
[20:34:11] <gloops> correct MarcelineVQ
[20:34:20] <roycroft> but it's clearly what gloops is
[20:34:32] <MarcelineVQ> Most people don't know what racist means either these days
[20:34:45] <gloops> i mean look, ive just been proudly proclaiming our victory over racism, in the world war
[20:34:51] <roycroft> as demonstrated some moments ago by his claim that the world wars were not really world wars, but uk vs germany
[20:34:51] <gloops> i am not a racist
[20:35:11] <XXCoder> just anti-different
[20:35:23] <roycroft> i try to avoid engaging with him and his bullshit, but that i could not ignore
[20:35:45] <roycroft> i'm not sure that even donald trump would come up with something that insane
[20:35:47] <CaptHindsight> now maybe gloops has a reason for all this fear
[20:35:50] <roycroft> well, maybe
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[20:35:56] <gloops> Paul Weston - i am a racist https://www.youtube.com
[20:36:01] <CaptHindsight> he might have suffered trauma
[20:36:19] <roycroft> capthindsight: i don't deny that there are real issues, real problems that frustrate people
[20:36:29] <gloops> well, what im saying here, wait till it comes to your town
[20:36:41] <roycroft> again, an argument i have every single day, mostly with my "democratic" friends
[20:36:54] <roycroft> they are still in 100% denial that our last presidential election was legitimate
[20:36:58] <gloops> and when that day comes, you will say - fuck, after all i said, old gloops was right
[20:37:06] <roycroft> that the russians or some other forces "stole" it from clinton
[20:37:17] <roycroft> because it's inconceivable that we could elect someone like donald trump
[20:37:32] <CaptHindsight> I'm surround by ignorant, selfish and childish people
[20:37:33] <MarcelineVQ> Why shouldn't they, they probaly also think the media is an instrument of truth eh?
[20:37:35] <tiwake> everyone I don't like is a communist bastard
[20:37:38] <roycroft> i was telling them for over a year before the election that he could win because he knows how to connect with people wh oare being ignored
[20:37:46] <CaptHindsight> oh and arrogant
[20:37:51] <tiwake> :P
[20:37:57] <roycroft> and they told me there is no way that is true
[20:38:17] <Tom_L> man we sure go nuts here on the weekends...
[20:38:23] <roycroft> i spent over a year talking about how clinton and the democratic party are ignoring their base
[20:38:28] <roycroft> and that their base are frustrated
[20:38:35] <roycroft> and that trump could turn the base
[20:38:41] <roycroft> and that is *exactly* what happened
[20:38:48] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: yah can't machine all the time
[20:39:07] <roycroft> they did not listen
[20:39:10] <roycroft> and look what happened
[20:39:22] <MarcelineVQ> Well, you gotta vent, otherwise people might actually frustrated enough to do something and create change./
[20:39:46] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: try to see this from the perspective of a frightened person
[20:40:08] <CaptHindsight> not fake freight, true fear and anxiety
[20:40:12] <roycroft> capthindsight: am i that poor a communicator?
[20:40:19] <roycroft> isn't that exactly what i've been saying all along?
[20:40:22] <CaptHindsight> not at all
[20:40:51] <roycroft> i'm trying to make the point that i fully get that gloops is upset and frustrated about a lot that is going on in his country
[20:40:53] <CaptHindsight> but you can't reason with a frightened person
[20:41:23] <CaptHindsight> not at all a poor communicator
[20:41:32] <roycroft> yeah, i should just shut up
[20:41:42] <gloops> you can reason with a frightened person, a frightened person wants solutions
[20:41:44] <roycroft> this is not even remotely within the scope of the channel
[20:42:12] <roycroft> i'm getting better at ignoring troll bait, but sometimes i succumb anyway
[20:42:17] * roycroft is far from perfect
[20:42:34] <CaptHindsight> the only thing to fear is fear itself, and ghosts
[20:42:47] <gloops> what you cant do is convince someone that the same liberal ideas that destroyed his country, present the solution
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[20:43:01] <roycroft> when did i ever try to do that, gloops?
[20:43:08] <CaptHindsight> reality is perception...
[20:43:24] <CaptHindsight> even if it's not reality
[20:43:37] <gloops> as above - this isnt really the place for this debate
[20:43:46] <roycroft> la vida es sueño, y los sueños sueños son
[20:44:42] <roycroft> for the record, btw, not being a jingoist/racist/hateful asshole does not one a "liberal" make
[20:45:20] <roycroft> i'm sure you'll continue to apply that label to me, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, but that doesn't make it true
[20:45:33] <CaptHindsight> sticks and stones
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[20:46:26] <roycroft> and i am sorry - i haven't gotten into it with gloops in quite a while
[20:46:38] <CaptHindsight> no problem
[20:46:38] <tiwake> the progressive left is what is gnashing with their teeth, rioting and setting things on fire and getting money to try to block Kavanaugh's hearings...
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[20:46:45] <roycroft> i really do try to avoid engaging with him on politics, but as i said, i'm far from perfect, and i did succumb this time
[20:46:56] <CaptHindsight> tends to be too quiet in here in the US evenings
[20:47:08] <MarcelineVQ> I don't have much to usefully say on the topic given all the nuances of the subject but I would be terrified if I was a non-rich white male in the UK right now. Everyone ostensibly has the same legal protections, which on paper is entirely true but in judgment doesn't tend to be, but that particular class has zero social protections. For all the social vengeance warriors and white knights, there's no white maidens out there.
[20:47:10] <XXCoder> I disconencted as soon asi I did action "break out beers"
[20:47:11] <XXCoder> odd
[20:47:22] <roycroft> and i'll not take the batit on the current circus in washington :)
[20:48:17] <roycroft> it's the same here, marcelinevq, and those are the people who became trump's base
[20:48:22] <CaptHindsight> it's a good lesson for progressives, there are lots of scared and damaged people that want to control you
[20:48:30] <roycroft> but he's not solving their problems - he's just playing to their fears
[20:48:52] <roycroft> anwyay, i'm off to market
[20:48:58] <tiwake> the progressive left don't want to part with their problems
[20:49:02] <MarcelineVQ> roycroft: Now that's just your perceptions there :>
[20:49:30] <CaptHindsight> this is what happens when you keep people ignorant
[20:49:50] <CaptHindsight> somebody smarter comes along and takes over your zombies
[20:50:32] <XXCoder> this is where school budget cuts come in
[20:51:23] <tiwake> blame the parents not the school
[20:52:37] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: did you see some of that video I linked?
[20:52:47] <tiwake> first couple minutes anyway
[20:53:23] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: yes, and I have seen a few others
[20:53:47] <CaptHindsight> I watch French TV often and their news
[20:53:54] <tiwake> alright
[20:55:13] <CaptHindsight> 2nd prize, 2 weeks all expenses paid in Texas, 1st prize, 1 week in Texas :)
[20:55:44] <CaptHindsight> my dearly departed friend Johns favorite joke
[20:55:48] <XXCoder> lol
[20:55:50] <CaptHindsight> from texas
[20:56:52] <XXCoder> last place, lifetime there :P
[21:01:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.france24.com in English
[21:03:51] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: it's the parents and the schools, you have to go back a few generations to see the decay
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[21:56:46] <roycroft> we may get a wee bit of rain tonight
[21:56:55] <roycroft> that would be novel
[21:59:44] <Tom_L> week's worth and counting here
[22:01:30] <roycroft> it hasn't rained here in earnest since june
[22:02:20] <roycroft> it's still pretty smokey here as well
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[22:03:08] <roycroft> rain usually helps get rid of that
[22:03:30] <roycroft> not the rain per se, i think, but the westerly winds that come with the rain
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[23:39:59] <XXCoder> roycroft: minor rain here. finally.
[23:40:20] <XXCoder> there was traces of smoke but wasnt bad
[23:40:29] <XXCoder> was bad, rated at 166
[23:41:13] <jesseg> major rain here
[23:41:52] <Wolf_> you all are welcome to take all the rain you want from Maryland, flash flooding in Baltimore area again this evening
[23:42:06] <XXCoder> lol
[23:42:18] <XXCoder> too bad, I'd haven taken offer last month
[23:44:51] <Wolf_> lol
[23:49:38] <Wolf_> i wonder if I should clearpath this plasma thing build
[23:50:32] <roycroft> we'll have plenty of rain come november or so
[23:50:46] <roycroft> it's getting a bit late for our first autumn rain though
[23:51:02] <roycroft> well, almost late
[23:51:11] <roycroft> another week and it will be late
[23:51:26] <XXCoder> you at wa state roy
[23:52:03] <pink_vampire> back!
[23:52:20] <XXCoder> welcome, my favorite UV-allegric person
[23:52:25] <roycroft> i am in oregon, willamette valley
[23:52:33] <XXCoder> ahh no wonder
[23:52:52] <roycroft> west of the mountains and east of the mountains
[23:53:26] <XXCoder> if you sit in middle of mountain range, youre west and east of mountains techinically lol but yeah
[23:53:39] <XXCoder> I live near ocean, inlet sea of puget sound
[23:54:11] <roycroft> where on the sound?
[23:54:17] <roycroft> i used to live in bellingham
[23:54:24] <XXCoder> tacoma
[23:54:28] <roycroft> which is actually on the strait of juan da fuca
[23:54:34] <roycroft> aah, armpit of the northwet :)
[23:54:52] <XXCoder> #1 on crime
[23:54:52] <roycroft> well, it used to be, before they put a cork in the weyerhauser smokestack
[23:55:21] <XXCoder> in wa state anyway lol
[23:55:50] <roycroft> tacoma is still in the olympic mountains rain shadow
[23:56:04] <roycroft> not as much as seattle, but you still get a lot less rain than other parts of western washington
[23:56:33] <XXCoder> yeah though this summer was super duper dry even compared to normal standards