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[00:26:55] <MacGalempsy> good evening
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[01:50:58] <Vq> Good morning
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[03:38:02] <Deejay> moin
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[04:54:52] <XXCoder> dang 12 hours of silence
[04:57:08] Jin|away is now known as Jin^eLD
[04:57:15] <Jin^eLD> mornin
[04:57:51] <XXCoder> good night. its 2 am lol
[04:59:55] <Jin^eLD> hehe
[04:59:57] <Jin^eLD> nice offset :)
[05:00:02] <Jin^eLD> shift change ;)
[05:00:30] <XXCoder> left work a little early, normally 145 am but left 1:20 am
[05:00:36] <XXCoder> got dizzy and sick
[05:01:00] <sensille> been too close to HexaCube?
[05:01:28] <XXCoder> yep 6 sided polyagons forming a cube makes me dizzy
[05:11:39] <XXCoder> 6 hexagons making a cube
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[05:58:00] <jthornton> morning
[06:00:20] <Jin^eLD> mornin
[06:03:19] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:21:29] <Tom_L> morning
[06:21:54] <jthornton> one more hot day here then the rains start
[06:22:10] <Tom_L> 69°F Hi 71 and rain
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[06:26:10] <pink_vampire> is there a way to do "undo" to homing or touch off?
[06:26:27] <jthornton> yea if your using Axis it's in the menu
[06:26:42] <Tom_L> really?
[06:26:51] <jthornton> would I lie?
[06:26:55] <Tom_L> hrm...
[06:27:26] <pink_vampire> i mean to go back to the previous value
[06:27:36] <Tom_L> that's what we're talking about i think
[06:27:56] <jthornton> the previous value of homing is not homed...
[06:28:20] <pink_vampire> no if you re-home an axis
[06:28:27] <Tom_L> i've been saving work offsets i need to keep in ones i'm not using
[06:29:02] <jthornton> why would you home an axis again?
[06:29:12] <Tom_L> if you hit something
[06:29:31] <Tom_L> as an example
[06:29:49] <Tom_L> not so much on a servo system as a stepper
[06:30:04] <jthornton> for a stepper system and lost steps sure just home the axis again
[06:30:34] <pink_vampire> hit the ring axis by mistake
[06:30:39] <pink_vampire> wrong*
[06:31:06] <XXCoder> yeah can unhome its pretty strightforward
[06:31:36] <Tom_L> wonder what else i've not bothered to use...
[06:33:30] <pink_vampire> i know you can "unhome" but i want to just go back to the value i had before
[06:33:55] <jthornton> that value is lost in space
[06:33:55] <pink_vampire> it is mor important for me for touch off
[06:34:05] <jthornton> you must write it down
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[06:34:54] <pink_vampire> it is complicated to add like a text file or log of the homing / touch off values?
[06:35:13] <jthornton> yes and no
[06:35:46] <jthornton> do you make that mistake often?
[06:35:47] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[06:35:55] <pink_vampire> yeah
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[06:36:44] <jthornton> well you could use a log file and that is easy
[06:36:59] <jthornton> if you want it to happen by magic that is not easy
[06:37:41] <pink_vampire> how do i enable the log file?
[06:39:07] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[06:41:11] <pink_vampire> i need to close linux cnc for that?
[06:42:49] <pink_vampire> lat 2 cuts on this large sos project
[06:42:54] <pink_vampire> last*
[06:44:46] <jthornton> close linuxcnc to log? I don't understand that
[06:45:48] <jthornton> anyone want to try the position logger? https://github.com
[06:47:37] <pink_vampire> what is "the position logger"
[06:47:58] <jthornton> packaging python programs is such a pain in the rear... deb, wheel. pip and none very well documented
[06:48:48] <Tom_L> for your config program?
[06:48:51] <jthornton> well this version you jog to a position then select the type of move G0, G1, G2, G3 and press the log button and it creates the G code to duplicat it
[06:49:18] <Tom_L> ahh
[06:49:39] <jthornton> no, a while back I ran across the teach-in script so I re-did it in gtk and now I just did it over in pyqt
[06:50:06] <jthornton> with addition features like the ability to generate arc G code
[06:51:01] <pink_vampire> jthornton: I'm using HSM for making the gcode
[06:51:39] <sensille> how does linuxcnc handle the transition from a line to an arc?
[06:51:54] <Tom_L> start point is a given
[06:51:55] <jthornton> very well
[06:52:26] <sensille> decelerate to 0 and start again?
[06:52:56] <Tom_L> why would you decelerate? unless it's a hard corner
[06:53:14] <jthornton> only if you tell LinuxCNC to do that
[06:53:15] <sensille> so you don't need infinite acceleration
[06:53:27] <sensille> or deviate from the path
[06:53:31] <sensille> i'm just curious
[06:53:47] <jthornton> just depends on what you tell LinuxCNC to do at a corner
[06:54:02] <sensille> ah, makes sense
[06:54:19] <jthornton> a very short must read http://linuxcnc.org
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[07:04:33] <emsjessec> hi
[07:04:51] <emsjessec> are there any good programs to convert a 3d model to gcode (like a 3d printer slicer) ?
[07:06:48] <sensille> what is wrong with a 3d printer slicer?
[07:11:00] <XXCoder> unless its for subtraction (ie: milling)
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[07:36:05] <jthornton> just run it backwards lol\
[07:36:16] <XXCoder> suck up metal
[07:36:28] <XXCoder> man that would be awesome, making filiment of metal when "unprinting"
[07:36:36] <XXCoder> then use it to print something
[07:36:54] <jthornton> ah that's just steel wool
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[07:40:36] <XXCoder> fun
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[10:25:41] <pink_vampire> emsjessec: I'm using HSM
[10:27:32] <pink_vampire> but for machining you need to make tool-paths according to your machine and your available cutting tools (drills, endmills, facemills etc..)
[10:27:36] <pink_vampire> emsjessec: ^
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[10:29:57] <pink_vampire> for example I had to make 8mm hole in aluminum bar, but may main spindle is down for upgrade so I had to use my high speed spindle for that, and my biggest tool was 1/8" end mill (3.175mm) so, I had to do pocket operation with it just to drill that 8mm hole.
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[10:32:06] <pink_vampire> this is why there is no "slicer" or magic way to convert 3d model to G code, you need to defined your tools, and what and how you want to cut the material.
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[12:32:48] <fragalot> hey
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[12:34:55] <CaptHindsight> sup
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[12:59:20] <Jin^eLD> how does one go about customizing gmoccapy? in the sim the spindle control slider seems to be very vfd oriented and works in percent, I was not yet able to figure out how to change it
[12:59:42] <JT-Shop> start out with gscreen
[13:01:07] <Jin^eLD> is gscreen part of gmoccapy? I know there's pyvcp, gladevcp, gmoccapy...
[13:01:42] <Jin^eLD> where's gscreen in that list?
[13:02:00] <Jin^eLD> trying to understand the relations
[13:02:00] <JT-Shop> what list?
[13:02:08] <Jin^eLD> "list" of UI possibilities
[13:02:24] <Jin^eLD> is gscreen "another" UI or is gscreen part of gmoccapy?
[13:02:25] <JT-Shop> pyvcp and gladevcp are not gui's
[13:02:40] <JT-Shop> gscreen is the base of gmoccapy
[13:02:42] <Jin^eLD> but you can make guis with pyvcp?
[13:03:08] <JT-Shop> super simple one perhaps
[13:03:51] <Jin^eLD> ok, so gmoccapy uses gscreen and just builds elements on top, did I get that right?
[13:04:07] <JT-Shop> aye
[13:04:32] <JT-Shop> don't forget about the gui hazzy
[13:05:01] <Jin^eLD> background of my question: my friend wanted to base his UI on gmoccapy but has to adapt it to his machine somehow, so we were looking at easiest ways to do it
[13:05:04] <Jin^eLD> gui hazzy?
[13:06:34] <Jin^eLD> found it
[13:06:45] <hazzy> Jin^eLD: https://gitlab.com
[13:06:57] <hazzy> Not completed yet, but getting very close
[13:07:08] <JT-Shop> lol you are fast!
[13:07:10] <hazzy> It is a toolkit fot building GUIs
[13:07:22] <Jin^eLD> :)
[13:07:30] * JT-Shop goes back to work
[13:08:14] <hazzy> Jin^eLD: This is an example of a GUI built with it in this thread: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[13:08:25] <Jin^eLD> my friend is not a coder, I was hoping to find something he would be able to tune via config files or so, I already did the gearshift comp, but I don't feel like diving into UIs, especially since I am about to get back from my holidays so I'll spend more time learning to turn (bought a lathe before I left)
[13:08:57] <hazzy> Jin^eLD: No coding needed, it is all drag and drop
[13:09:14] <Jin^eLD> wow
[13:09:21] <Jin^eLD> that'd be exactly what he needs :)
[13:09:45] <Jin^eLD> the screenshot looks very nice
[13:09:52] <Jin^eLD> actually a lot nicer than gmoccapy
[13:10:24] <hazzy> The guy how made that GUI had never done any coding :)
[13:10:29] <hazzy> who*
[13:11:23] <Jin^eLD> cool
[13:11:27] <JT-Shop> yea that looks real nice
[13:11:28] <Jin^eLD> forwarded the links to my friend
[13:11:42] * JT-Shop needs to see if he can finger out how to do that
[13:12:31] <hazzy> The toolkit is not quite ready for prime time, but in a month or so it should be stable enough for some beta testers
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[13:13:50] <Jin^eLD> mhh, 2.8 pre master, taht won't compile on Fedora yet, doh... looks like I will still need to put in some effort before he can use it :)
[13:15:04] <Jin^eLD> and then also walk hin through compiling qtpyvcp
[13:15:52] <hazzy> I already have a branch that installs using pip, but need to clean it up a bit before adding it to master
[13:16:27] <Jin^eLD> oh, its all python? I thought C++ when I saw qt
[13:16:40] <hazzy> Yes, it is all python
[13:17:24] <Jin^eLD> ok, cool, that makes it simplier, although I got him through compiling linuxcnc, so he is not scared following instructions, just a bit difficult because he never really used Linux before
[13:18:43] <hazzy> I have to go rebuild a hydraulic pump, bbl
[13:19:05] <Jin^eLD> thanks for the pointers, good luck with the pump :)
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[13:25:19] <Jin^eLD> I generally got the impression that there is one issue, probably not with linuxcnc itself, the community consists of two parts, the IT-guys/coders who like hacking LinuxCNC itself and machinists/engineers who know their machines but struggle with IT/computers/Linux and there's a gap inbetween
[13:25:48] <Jin^eLD> I may be wrong, but that's my impression from hanging around here for a month or so/following forums etc
[13:29:16] <fragalot> I find that observation to be spot on
[13:29:24] <fragalot> and it is a similar problem that exists across all FOSS projects
[13:30:03] <Jin^eLD> well, it depens on the project... there are a lot of projects that you just install and are happy with
[13:30:48] <fragalot> typically those are "this is what you get" ones
[13:31:12] <Jin^eLD> nah, LinuxCNC is just very special because of the hardware/machines involved
[13:31:18] <fragalot> any time there is any form of customizability that "It Just Works" philosophy just disappears
[13:31:34] <fragalot> linuxCNC indeed has that going against it :D
[13:32:07] <MarcelineVQ> Seems like part of the disconnect could be that when someone's telling you what they want, you feel like you're working for them, which is kind of a drag without pay :> This is one reason why software bounties are a really good idea
[13:32:09] <Jin^eLD> I was leading the MediaTomb UPnP server projects for several years (yeah, we abandoned it, shame on us), and we did a lot of highly customizable stuff, including some scripting support and so on, but a lot of people managed to use it, non coders, or they started sharing stuff so it was copy-paste for others
[13:32:22] <Jin^eLD> with LinuxCNC you can't copy-paste much because each machine is different and requires some targeted stuff
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[13:33:26] <fragalot> humbug
[13:33:34] <fragalot> the 1.5m USB cables I bought turned out to be .15m
[13:33:48] <MarcelineVQ> that's quite a diff :X
[13:33:55] <fragalot> "off by one", lol
[13:34:17] <Jin^eLD> MarcelineVQ: that is very well possible... I mean, the comp I wrote, if I count all the spec discussions and all around it - it took a significant amount of time; now I did that because a friend asked me to and because I know he won't be able to say "no" when I want to mill something (we live in reach) :)
[13:34:30] <Jin^eLD> I doubt I would have been that invested just out of being bored...
[13:35:08] <Jin^eLD> usually you code something you can use yourself, then it's more motivation and fun somehow
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[13:35:58] <Jin^eLD> here you have some random machine that you probably will never own yourself - would you invest a lot of time supporting it?
[13:36:14] <Jin^eLD> so I agree with you
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[13:38:42] <Jin^eLD> MarcelineVQ: but then... a lot of people need to have the same machine and interest in supporting it to come up with a bounty :) and from what I see - we deal with a huge variety of "I picked that up at an auction!" stuff
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[14:00:22] <CaptHindsight> I find that it's a combo of tired, lazy, lack of interest, not wanting to be the one to pay etc etc
[14:00:46] <CaptHindsight> why even bounty's don't work
[14:00:54] <CaptHindsight> https://tech.slashdot.org
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[14:03:18] <Jin^eLD> CaptHindsight: well, if you look at this particular case with linuxcnc and machines... say you are not a company, you spent 2-3k on your machine, would you pay another 2k to hire an sw dev to write a comp for it? I doubt that...
[14:04:57] <CaptHindsight> no, I end up having to write or build most everything I need beyond what is available to me in the ISO, forums, mail list and discussions here
[14:05:18] <Jin^eLD> the article is good though, very valid points :)
[14:07:43] <Jin^eLD> CaptHindsight: my point earlier on was that only few of us can write or build what we need, but a lot of people are simply lost and have no chance... you can't just quickly learn C and code something if you never had to do anything with coding before
[14:07:57] <CaptHindsight> if there's a question about anything Linuxcnc, an answer is usually no more than a day away
[14:08:08] <CaptHindsight> it's pretty great
[14:08:27] <Jin^eLD> the support is great indeed, he got really a lot of help in the forums
[14:08:36] <gregcnc> the biggest thing i've observed about Linuxcnc is uh I don't know linux
[14:08:51] <Jin^eLD> but you won't find people who would code stuff for you :)
[14:08:57] <gregcnc> and people just want think they are getting something turnkey
[14:09:04] <Jin^eLD> gregcnc: that's the second point, yes
[14:09:05] <CaptHindsight> learn C, when i was a kid we had to learn everthing :)
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[14:10:00] <CaptHindsight> it's the same with mach or the other controllers
[14:10:10] <Jin^eLD> CaptHindsight: it sounds easy to you and me, but I have just been through explaining a windows guy how to install linux, how to intsall packages, how to find dependencies, how to use git, how to stay in sync with what I do, how to compile and run it etc etc
[14:10:18] <gregcnc> the uncertainty of which box will work well is another, but for a bit of money (instead of paying for the software) you can get Mesa and it matters much less.
[14:10:19] <CaptHindsight> if it's not in the examples you're off coding
[14:10:33] <Jin^eLD> and it's the simple things that are already obstacles
[14:10:52] <Jin^eLD> what's a root user? whats a terminal? how do I go to another folder?
[14:10:59] <CaptHindsight> Jin^eLD: well technology is hard
[14:11:17] <gregcnc> i'ts like people don't know how to use google to get answers
[14:11:37] <gregcnc> google only returns kardashians latest
[14:11:50] <Jin^eLD> gregcnc: also a valid point, but I do undertsand when someone just gets overwhelmed by the amount of information that he needs to graps in a short amount of time
[14:11:55] <CaptHindsight> boobs + linux + C
[14:12:04] <Jin^eLD> its just too much at some point
[14:12:09] <Jin^eLD> I did not learn C in one day either :)
[14:12:14] <gregcnc> yes, but like most things unkown.....
[14:12:28] <Jin^eLD> and you can't expect someone who just wants to use his machine to become a programmer
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[14:12:34] <CaptHindsight> off to buy servos
[14:12:53] <Jin^eLD> if you do - you 'll end up with tons of shitty-quality comps
[14:13:13] <Jin^eLD> because "I did a couple of C tutorials and know how to compile hello world" doesnt cut it
[14:13:35] <gregcnc> well you do have to want to build machine controls
[14:13:54] <gregcnc> if you don't there are plenty of used machines out there that work
[14:14:19] <Jin^eLD> you might not want to become a software developer :)
[14:14:28] <gregcnc> correct
[14:14:48] <Jin^eLD> so is retrofitting only for IT guys then? that may be a valid answer
[14:14:53] <gregcnc> no
[14:15:06] <gregcnc> i can't program and I have running machines, but they are simple
[14:15:18] <gregcnc> not that I couldn't get through something more complicated
[14:15:31] <gregcnc> however i I have parts to make today, i wouldn't spend months doing a conversion
[14:16:48] <gregcnc> working machines with unsupported failed controls seems to be the most common retrofit
[14:17:02] <gregcnc> otherwise it's being done as a hobby
[14:19:14] <Jin^eLD> yes, the one from my friend is exactly the "failed control" case with a complex gearbox
[14:19:23] <Jin^eLD> and true, he does it as a hobby :)
[14:20:02] <gregcnc> opportunity cost comes into play when real work needs to be done
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[14:21:13] <Jin^eLD> well, I guess one that has those constraints will simply not chose such a machine...
[14:22:09] <Jin^eLD> and he was too optimistic anyway, he had a python course a year ago (of course forgot everything), and hoped he could write a python comp (wrong assumption - he needed an rt comp), so it was too optimistic planning to begin with
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[14:22:48] <gregcnc> this? https://www.youtube.com
[14:23:18] <Jin^eLD> but I guess I get your point; you either really need it and then you choose carefully, you don't get yourself into this mess at all if you know you're out of your depth, or you play around with it as hobby because you dont have any time constraints...
[14:23:40] <Jin^eLD> gregcnc: yeah thats the one
[14:23:41] <pcw_mesa> I our experirenc, simple machines are quite a bit more common for retrofits
[14:23:49] <fragalot> anyone know if those chinese blasting cabinets are worth a damn for light duty use?
[14:27:44] <gregcnc> Jin^eLD does that machine not have VFD? or is the idea to get full function vs making parts with one or two speeds?
[14:28:18] <Jin^eLD> it does not have a VFD
[14:28:51] <Jin^eLD> most put the gearbox into one gear and add a VFD, but that has disadvantages and he wanted to do it properly
[14:29:11] <gregcnc> yes i understand the tradeoffs
[14:30:54] <fragalot> Jin^eLD: add a VFD anyway
[14:30:54] <fragalot> :D
[14:31:03] <gregcnc> yeah
[14:32:06] <Jin^eLD> hehe, well that we could do, but let's let him finish the basic conversion first ;)
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[14:35:39] <Jin^eLD> I don't think that he is missing too much now, since the gearshift works its now all about integration and linking it all with the UI and with LinuxCNC to work properly
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[16:29:51] <gloops> these are coming down in price now https://www.ebay.ie
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[16:30:14] <XXCoder> cheap
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[16:32:52] <gloops> and nasty?
[16:34:34] <XXCoder> dunno
[16:34:47] <XXCoder> most likely not as good as say japan made
[16:34:59] <XXCoder> but bad enough to be useless or affects part precision? dunno
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[16:38:12] <rob_h> screw compensation, what happens with the "in-between" steps written in the comp file are they software interpolated or just ignored?
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[16:48:15] <JT-Shop> hey rob_h
[16:48:23] <rob_h> hi
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[17:13:03] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:18:46] <JT-Shop> I knew when I ran over that single briar branch across the trail yesterday I'd get a flat and sure enough I did
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[17:21:59] <XXCoder> doh
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[17:30:34] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: lol I read news about HOV line
[17:30:42] <XXCoder> this week cops really cracked down on that
[17:30:49] <XXCoder> they cited 1671 drivers
[17:30:58] <JT-Shop> where at?
[17:31:01] <XXCoder> one weird case though
[17:31:09] <XXCoder> one driver got 3 cititions LOL
[17:31:58] <XXCoder> washington state
[17:32:22] <XXCoder> mostly King, Pierce and Snohomish countries
[17:35:28] <Jin^eLD> XXCoder is back.. time for shift change ;)
[17:35:32] <Jin^eLD> nite
[17:35:49] <XXCoder> lol
[17:35:51] <Jin^eLD> :)
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[17:47:35] <JT-Shop> well if the 29er still has 50pisg in the morning then I've fixed it
[17:49:29] <XXCoder> :)
[17:50:00] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com
[17:50:38] <XXCoder> just chillin
[17:51:05] <JT-Shop> yep, time for me to chill with my peeps... see you in the morning
[17:51:09] <XXCoder> you have been exposed as pirate. tsk tsk.
[17:52:27] <XXCoder> later
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[17:54:15] <XXCoder> hey andy
[17:54:28] <andypugh> Hi
[17:54:44] <Tom_L> evening
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[18:19:08] <jthornton> hi Andy
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[18:42:07] <pink_vampire> hi
[18:42:21] <gloops> evenin
[18:42:37] <XXCoder> yo
[18:44:41] <andypugh> Quiet night..
[18:49:52] <pink_vampire> the stack light beep is too good, i need to edit the code and make the volume a bit lower
[18:50:11] <CaptHindsight> fall arrived here today, have to enjoy the outdoors before winter arrives next month
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[19:09:27] <gloops> not cut anything this week
[19:09:41] <gloops> not drawn anything, not built anything
[19:10:08] <gloops> its been a non cnc week
[19:12:23] <pink_vampire> gloops: how you can do that??
[19:12:42] <XXCoder> heh on home side I havent done anything for over a year
[19:12:48] <XXCoder> week is nothing :P
[19:13:19] <XXCoder> funny https://www.geeksaresexy.net
[19:13:51] <pink_vampire> I did most of the parts for the servo spindle, (i need to design some ring to connect the pulley to the spindle cartridge
[19:13:53] <gloops> pink_vampire its how many artisans work, im resting
[19:15:24] <pink_vampire> I just love the HF spindle, sometime it cut so fast that I just cut it with the cnc.
[19:15:39] <pink_vampire> gloops: on your machine you have also HF?
[19:16:12] <gloops> HF?
[19:16:25] <gloops> 24k top speed
[19:18:06] <MacGalempsy> :)
[19:19:22] <pink_vampire> HF = high frequency
[19:24:14] <gloops> no need for high speed, i only cut wood https://www.youtube.com
[19:27:35] <gloops> should have been a pop icon instead, 22 000 000 hits - https://www.youtube.com
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[21:11:28] <_unreal_> been doing some hacking https://www.cnczone.com
[21:12:32] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.com interesting
[21:12:56] <XXCoder> with such a advanced chip cheap, I wonder if its reasonable to do encoder driver thats literally a whole computer per axis
[21:19:43] <_unreal_> hum
[21:20:02] <_unreal_> slightly overkill?
[21:20:53] <XXCoder> likely lol
[21:20:59] <XXCoder> but same time if its that cheap...
[21:22:18] <SpeedEvil> You get automatic 'no' skew output on >>1 axis sharing though.
[21:23:05] <_unreal_> :) I2C them
[21:23:13] <XXCoder> trying to figure what you mean
[21:23:41] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: If you have a controller with 4 axis coming out of it, you don't need to worry about synchronisation of the controllers.
[21:24:01] <XXCoder> ahh understoo
[21:24:39] <XXCoder> heh one news article says half of cellp[hone calls will be scams by next year
[21:24:43] <XXCoder> mine its already 100%
[21:27:04] <_unreal_> I'm suprised gov.. has not done anything yet
[21:27:14] <XXCoder> its tough job
[21:27:22] <_unreal_> no argument
[21:27:24] <XXCoder> how do you stop spam and allow legemate calls
[21:27:37] <XXCoder> texts you could analyze
[21:27:42] <XXCoder> voice not so much
[21:27:57] <_unreal_> sure ya can.
[21:28:09] <_unreal_> not only that MOST spam phone calls are sourced from VOIP
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[21:29:30] <XXCoder> heh article warning about cold boot attack
[21:29:39] <XXCoder> of course, phsyical access = owned
[21:29:44] <_unreal_> If you have automated caller spam BS, then it becomes a REPEAT pattern as far as a computer analising the data. and VOICE recognition has gotten very good
[21:29:52] <XXCoder> yeah
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[21:29:55] <_unreal_> cold boot?
[21:30:03] <XXCoder> https://tech.slashdot.org
[21:31:07] <Wolf__> so, re task the NSA to take down phone spam/scammers seeing they are already listening to everything?
[21:31:31] <XXCoder> you would need to employ 10% of citzens to listen to everything
[21:31:42] <XXCoder> its not quite automatable yet
[21:34:01] <_unreal_> Wolf__, finally that braud ear put to good use lol
[21:34:27] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com
[21:35:16] <skunkworks> exciting stuff ;)
[21:35:34] <_unreal_> what is it?
[21:35:54] <skunkworks> z axis way cover mounted
[21:36:55] <XXCoder> HUGE Z
[21:39:50] <skunkworks> about 11.7 inches of movement
[21:40:06] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: you have an amazing channel!
[21:40:30] <XXCoder> with pricatical limitions it means you probabky has 6 t0 10 inches of space for part
[21:40:36] <XXCoder> pretty good
[21:41:10] <methods_> is it?
[21:41:22] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: the g0704 have 12
[21:41:39] <XXCoder> nice :)
[21:41:44] <XXCoder> mine its at 3 inches lol
[21:42:04] <XXCoder> spindle rises higher than limit but then tools would lower it again
[21:42:12] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i used the mill today as a saw
[21:42:37] <methods_> does it?
[21:42:40] <skunkworks> XXCoder: the z axis places the nose of the spindle 3 inches above the table..
[21:43:11] <XXCoder> that adds 3 inch more though you might be unable to reach all way to bottom depending on toolholding
[21:43:12] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: thanks - pretty raw stuff. some day I should learn to produce a decently edited video
[21:43:54] <pink_vampire> i love that https://www.youtube.com
[21:45:28] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: also i love you videos that you show servo spindles
[21:46:56] <XXCoder> new clickspring
[21:47:02] <XXCoder> out 35 min ago lol
[21:47:09] <skunkworks> the axis video was made for someone who thought axis was not usable. (not enough buttons)
[21:47:47] <skunkworks> XXCoder: this is going to use tormach tooling system.. so most every tool starts out being about 2" long
[21:47:58] <skunkworks> (without any cutter installed
[21:47:58] <XXCoder> not bad
[21:48:21] <XXCoder> so your block basically removes the length subtraction from that
[21:48:22] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: how did you configure the spindle here in linux cnc? https://www.youtube.com
[21:48:34] <methods_> sounds like my tool
[21:48:48] <methods_> just kidding probably not 2"
[21:48:59] <XXCoder> shorter I see
[21:49:14] <methods_> i like to brag
[21:49:26] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: that is just a 5hp vfd - with an encoder on the spindle...
[21:49:28] <methods_> so i say 2 1/2
[21:49:45] <skunkworks> not a servo - just spindle synced motiong
[21:49:47] <skunkworks> motion
[21:50:16] <pink_vampire> so it is C axis? or a spindle?
[21:50:29] <methods_> i got skunkworks so excited he couldn't spell motion
[21:51:28] <XXCoder> interesting never saw machine tap do lower each run
[21:51:36] <XXCoder> usually its just tap all way in
[21:54:17] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: spindle
[21:55:15] <pink_vampire> i'm working on a servo spindle (DC motor with the G320X)
[21:55:51] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: https://i.imgur.com
[21:56:59] <pink_vampire> other then that I have also high speed spindle next to it
[21:59:43] <XXCoder> HMMM https://www.elivecd.org
[21:59:49] <XXCoder> might be good for my aspire one
[21:59:51] <skunkworks> XXCoder: tap was mounted in a drill chuck..
[22:00:01] <XXCoder> ah torque limit
[22:00:45] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: neat!
[22:01:19] <skunkworks> XXCoder: http://electronicsam.com
[22:01:39] <XXCoder> nice!
[22:01:54] <XXCoder> without the block it'd be below table
[22:02:17] <skunkworks> yep
[22:02:47] <skunkworks> that block is almost 5"
[22:03:05] <pink_vampire> can you guide me how to do the configuration for it? so it will work according to the spindle commands, but also like a C axis and then the HF spindle will be mount on my X axis
[22:04:18] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: not at the moment.. I am going to bed soon. there is atleast 1 thread on the forum with a config that switches from C to spindle..
[22:04:31] <skunkworks> I think andy helped with it
[22:05:05] <pink_vampire> but it wad step / dir setup?
[22:05:10] <pink_vampire> was*
[22:05:21] <skunkworks> I think so... but it has been a while..
[22:05:52] <skunkworks> changes the stepgen from position to velocity
[22:06:04] <pink_vampire> this one? https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org
[22:08:47] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: I don't 'think' so.. but I can't find the one I am thinking of at the moment
[22:09:52] <pink_vampire> I'm not even sure what G code control 2 spindles
[22:11:47] <skunkworks> it would probably be some sort of m code.. (you would create it)
[22:12:22] <skunkworks> like M101 would swith from spindle to c and m102 the opposite
[22:12:25] <pink_vampire> but if you send S1000 M3, it will spin the HF or the servo spindle?
[22:12:30] <skunkworks> it would all be done in hal
[22:14:29] <skunkworks> bbl
[22:14:36] <pink_vampire> defiantly interesting way of dealing with it.
[22:14:43] <pink_vampire> thanks!
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[23:16:53] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: interesting yeah
[23:17:02] <XXCoder> new gcode to switch spindles
[23:19:24] <pink_vampire> i wish it will be possible at least use the M3 M4 M5 and g0 C bla, and g1 C bla on the servo spindle. and ignore the HF
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[23:23:40] <XXCoder> it would work that way
[23:23:49] <XXCoder> just need to define your own gcode to switch spindles
[23:24:05] <pink_vampire> then I will make 2 post processors, for mill turn like 4th axis / indexer (the HF will be mount on the x axis on the table and the servo spindle will work as C axis or even A?) and the other post will be regular milling / rigid taping
[23:25:46] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: unfortunately I'm not fluent enough in linux cnc
[23:26:19] <XXCoder> me either
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[23:29:42] <pink_vampire> I need some good shower, I have some sparkly magic dust all over
[23:30:05] <XXCoder> why? you have sparkles like them twight zone vamps lol
[23:30:50] <pink_vampire> 60K rpm + aluminum = sparkly magic dust
[23:32:55] <pink_vampire> she is a machinist with HF spindle https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net
[23:33:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[23:33:59] <XXCoder> looking
[23:38:06] <XXCoder> its loading REALLT slowly
[23:38:12] <XXCoder> byut yeah she is that lol
[23:39:22] <pink_vampire> I'm off
[23:39:27] <XXCoder> later
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