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[04:33:21] <miss0r2> mornin'
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[04:39:37] <miss0r> "Old machinists never die, they just go out og tolerance"
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[05:51:52] <jthornton> morning
[05:52:47] <XXCoder> ugh I hate being sick
[05:54:10] <jthornton> yea me too
[05:55:35] <Jin|away> morning
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[08:40:10] <Martiini> can anyone give me advice about cnc machines
[08:41:00] <XXCoder> sure no qauntees that it would be GOOD advice but...
[08:41:10] <XXCoder> ask your question :) dont ask to ask
[08:42:18] <Martiini> Im interested in learning cnc machines, .. well, I've had interest for years, but it's difficult to learn, using google, youtube videos etc ..
[08:42:48] <XXCoder> yeah nothing like direct experence to understand things better
[08:43:04] <Martiini> .. it is sheet metal work, basically .. fanuc controller, laser cutters, amada punch presses, amada cnc mills ...
[08:43:41] <Martiini> yes, best way to learn is to do everything on the job, in some company workshop
[08:43:51] <XXCoder> what are you looking to do? do you want to setup for larger production for small runs for example
[08:44:05] <XXCoder> swuch questions depends heavily on usercase
[08:44:05] <Martiini> no, just to work on some machines
[08:44:16] <Martiini> yes, all machines are different too
[08:44:34] <XXCoder> exactly, so you wanna just make stuff for fun?
[08:44:50] <Martiini> Im not even sure g-code knowledge is most important, cause many machines use dxf cad files
[08:45:17] <Martiini> well, like .. what operating system and software does Fanuc use, for example
[08:45:24] <XXCoder> gcode really isnt very complex, most common is g0 g1 g2 g3 and some others
[08:45:48] <XXCoder> youre in linuxcnc channel about linuxcnc, a program and os combo to run cnc machines :)
[08:45:52] <Martiini> I read, g-code is not universal, it could be different on many machines
[08:46:08] <XXCoder> indeed but then some is quite universal
[08:46:20] <Martiini> yes, last time I tried linuxcnc, it dint compile on Arch
[08:46:31] <XXCoder> I would just use entire os
[08:46:46] <XXCoder> install and done. (besides cnc machine configuration that is)
[08:47:14] <jthornton> installing LinuxCNC on anything other than Debian is a pia due to dependencies
[08:47:20] <Martiini> yes, I found windows embedded, but I dont have machine specific controller software
[08:47:27] <jthornton> it's so simpe to just get the livecd
[08:47:32] <Martiini> ok, I'll try with Debian
[08:47:56] <XXCoder> just download a whole system image, flash it to usb media or burn to cd install it
[08:47:59] <XXCoder> much simpler
[08:48:06] <Martiini> yep
[08:48:16] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[08:50:37] <XXCoder> I looove being sick
[08:50:53] <XXCoder> 6 am, too sick to sleep lol
[08:51:21] <Martiini> nowadays, there's 3D printers too - you can make any metal part with 3D printer
[08:51:29] <XXCoder> sorta kinda
[08:52:00] <Martiini> u should get some medicine and get well
[08:53:53] <Martiini> ah, I already have linuxcnc on windows, it had some other name
[08:54:03] <XXCoder> ehh mach3?
[08:55:23] <jthornton> it ain't linuxcnc on windoze
[09:12:01] <Martiini> nowadays, it's all automated factories full of robots, anyway .. I watched youtube video about Audio electric motor factory - all automated, few workers
[09:12:20] <Martiini> Audi electric car motors
[09:16:44] <miss0r> I just put my wrist watch backtogether. It would seem that the local watch repair place, used wrong pins when when putting the band/chain back together. No wonder it is falling apart on me
[09:16:56] * miss0r bought some proper pins online and just replaced them
[09:18:21] <miss0r> That is bad for buisness for them! I mean, the only reason I go there is to make sure the job is done properly - now that they don't have that going for them, I don't know
[09:18:58] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[09:19:18] <XXCoder> remove the reason of business that leaves them with what?
[09:19:52] <miss0r> well. I guess more complex repairs on the watch mechanism itself, i'll still have to go.
[09:21:17] <XXCoder> ah good thing for them lol
[09:21:23] <XXCoder> but then wrong pins, wrong gears etc?
[09:21:47] <miss0r> hehe. Yeah. I might be better off taking my buisness elsewhere entirely
[09:22:33] <Martiini> they make wrist watches that cost half million dollars
[09:23:45] <miss0r> even more, actualy :) This is not that.. I bought this watch 10 years ago at the modest sum of $800
[09:24:05] <miss0r> Back to gardening. See you later
[09:24:11] <XXCoder> later
[09:27:23] <Martiini> I wish I could invent a small energy source / system .. solar and wind doesn't give too much power .. Some small home Thorium reactor would be cool
[09:29:06] <Martiini> Google use some "Bloom Energy Server"
[09:30:23] <Martiini> ah, they're fuel cells with gas
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[09:46:22] <Jin^eLD> that was weird :)
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[10:30:48] <ktchk> anyone using thread milling? G71
[10:39:11] <Tom_L> it may have been depreciated, it's not in the 2.7 docs taht i see
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[10:39:42] <Tom_L> G33.1
[10:39:44] <Tom_L> instead
[10:40:05] <Tom_L> or G76?
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[10:40:38] <jthornton> there is no G71 in LinuxCNC
[10:41:17] <jthornton> for thread milling you use G2/3
[10:41:58] <ktchk> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[10:42:03] <Roguish> G2 with Z for helix works great for thread milling......
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[10:42:38] <jthornton> Currently the remap version is a proof of concept
[10:42:53] <jthornton> G71 is a remap not part of LinuxCNC
[10:43:22] <jthornton> anyway that is for profiles on a lathe not thread milling
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[10:44:29] <ktchk> I am going to get a cutter for milling threads
[10:44:56] <Tom_L> G2-3 would be your best bet probably
[10:45:28] <Tom_L> i've been wanting to try that but can't justify the cutter cost just yet
[10:49:26] <Tom_L> typically you buy one for a pitch range but this one says it will mill any pitch: http://www.harveytool.com
[10:50:23] <ktchk> My one is m1.2x0.25 us$10
[10:59:21] <jthornton> a single point will do many pitches
[11:02:11] <Tom_L> i wanted to try it since my little spindle doesn't have much HP
[11:02:40] <Tom_L> how many passes do you typically take?
[11:02:43] <Tom_L> 2-3?
[11:03:05] <Tom_L> or just one since it's not really a synchronized move
[11:23:47] <Tom_L> looking at my cam and helix in the docs, how do Z F & P interact?
[11:24:54] <Tom_L> Z is the thread depth, P would be the pitch but is F the feed of Z or the feed of the tool around the arc?
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[14:27:37] <jthornton> I assume F is the speed that the tool moves and Z just follows
[14:32:28] <pfred1> F = Feed?
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[14:36:25] <jthornton> aye
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[15:57:14] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, looking over my cam to see if the 'helix' part can support lcnc's format.
[15:57:46] <Tom_L> i'll write a dummy thread and try it later
[15:59:57] <Tom_L> if so i may pick up a thread mill somewhere
[16:02:11] <Tom_L> take a bit of calculating since the cam programs the cutter center on that
[16:08:23] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com
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[16:26:55] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* that was probably the most expensive "assembly service" ever (if it would have been paid)... $me and my wife just went on two 4 hours drives across germany so i could assmble an "ikea" cubboard" at my mother in laws place ;) ... re at home btw.
[16:28:25] <jthornton> cheaper to have ikea assemble it
[16:28:44] <Loetmichel> it wasnt from ikea
[16:29:05] <Loetmichel> but arrived by mail order as a similar flat pack
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[17:15:05] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:20:02] <gregcnc> Tom_L I don' tlike harvey single point thread mills because they have sharp points and chip easily.
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[17:20:35] <gregcnc> a small radius does limit the range of threads available, but the tool is much more durable.
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[17:47:29] <MacGalempsy> hello
[17:48:12] <jthornton> hey
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[17:52:54] <CaptHindsight> who makes oil submersable rotary encoders?? 100=200 count/rev
[17:54:07] <CaptHindsight> https://www.hohner-elektrotechnik.de
[17:55:17] <CaptHindsight> https://ecatalog.dynapar.com
[17:56:23] <CaptHindsight> heh haliburton
[17:56:40] <CaptHindsight> not a co I'd trust avoiding leaks to
[17:57:31] <SpeedEvil> by oil submersible, do you mean clean oil?
[17:59:09] <CaptHindsight> clean spindle oil
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[18:01:51] <SpeedEvil> I suppose trying to use non-specced ones isn't really good practice.
[18:01:53] <MacGalempsy> those sound interesting. some kind of oil bath system?
[18:02:21] <pcw_home> does it need a bearing? if not, a magnetic encoder chip encapsulated in some decent oil resistant resin should be OK
[18:02:25] <SpeedEvil> You could 'easily' DIY with a 100 tooth gear and a couple inductive sensors
[18:02:57] <CaptHindsight> build vs buy
[18:03:08] <CaptHindsight> don't have time to build everything
[18:03:29] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[18:03:46] <CaptHindsight> I also enjoy sleep :)
[18:04:17] <SpeedEvil> That part looks neat, and reassuringly expensive.
[18:05:14] <CaptHindsight> List Price:$241.00
[18:06:40] <CaptHindsight> an but with a housing $954.00
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[18:08:19] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: oil filled gearbox
[18:12:02] <gloops> giving it away https://www.ebay.co.uk
[18:12:57] <CaptHindsight> auction
[18:13:55] <gloops> only 20 hours left, been stripped of cnc motors
[18:16:13] <pfred1> gloops CNC motors?
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[18:17:07] <gloops> yeah said something about cnc control has been removed but still has ballscrews - ready to go cnc again
[18:17:25] <CaptHindsight> 63F sun sun sun
[18:17:49] <pfred1> not all ball screws are ready to go
[18:17:50] <CaptHindsight> a rare not a cloud in the sky day
[18:18:21] <jthornton> 63 and rain until Thursday
[18:18:22] <pfred1> in fact ball screws can get pretty chowdery
[18:19:25] <gloops> everything will be fine for £150
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[18:20:30] <pfred1> some machinists should stay well away from electronics
[18:23:58] <tiwake> some yeah... maybe most
[18:24:12] <tiwake> most don't know computers at all... its kind of pathetic really
[18:24:52] <CaptHindsight> anyone seen t12 around?
[18:25:32] <pfred1> tiwake yeah it is like they have a mental block or something
[18:26:46] <tiwake> pfred1: its bigger than just machinists though... same thing for mechanical engineers (and civil and nuclear and...)
[18:27:38] <pfred1> I've just seen mechanically inclined people that seem like they're on the ball but they're hopeless when it comes to electricity
[18:28:09] <pfred1> all their better sense just goes right out the window
[18:29:15] <tiwake> I don't really understand it really... its the same as fluid dynamics really
[18:29:48] <pfred1> you'd think good practices would transfer
[18:30:14] <tiwake> its almost like the same set of physics defines electrons as it does mechanics
[18:30:23] <pfred1> but it's like they get fed stupid pills
[18:30:45] <CaptHindsight> automotive hall sensors only go to 20Khz (sealed, high temp, with leads and connectors)
[18:34:35] <pfred1> I forget what kind of sensor is in my distributor
[18:34:54] <pfred1> I have a Mallory
[18:35:06] <pfred1> it might be optical?
[18:35:41] <pfred1> I know it works at 8,000 RPM
[18:36:17] <pfred1> sounds like a Dremel under the hood at that speed zing!
[18:37:29] <CaptHindsight> funny how relatively simple things can be difficult to find pre-assembled for <$1K
[18:38:20] <pfred1> funny how much many people are comfortable asking for things too
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[18:41:32] <CaptHindsight> is it wrong to ask?
[18:55:27] <pfred1> in this case ask does not mean the standard definition
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[19:01:53] <Tom_L> gregcnc thanks for the advice
[19:02:14] <Tom_L> got one you do like?
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[21:07:33] <Tom_L> anyone familiar with coding helix?
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[21:07:57] <Tom_L> one example shows you don't need P and the other uses it
[21:08:21] <Tom_L> i'm guessing it's just a different way of calculating the same thing?
[21:09:05] <skunkworks> P was added sort of recently
[21:09:11] * skunkworks uses it all the time
[21:09:12] <Tom_L> or is G17 G2 X10 Y16 I3 J4 Z-1 just a single turn?
[21:09:18] <skunkworks> yes
[21:09:30] <skunkworks> if the start and stop is the same location
[21:09:31] <Tom_L> i don't think i can get my cam to specify the total turns though
[21:09:37] <Tom_L> that's what i'm up agains
[21:09:38] <Tom_L> t
[21:10:12] <Tom_L> i can generate the helix but i can't find a template word to specify the number of turns
[21:10:58] <Tom_L> and P is an integer so it would have to start and stop in the same spot just a different Z
[21:11:25] <Tom_L> or is there a better way to single point threads?
[21:11:28] <Tom_L> ie thread mill
[21:14:40] <Tom_L> the helix command appears to have all the data necessary to do it, i'm just having trouble matching it with the template words...
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[21:17:02] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:17:07] <Tom_L> that's my options
[21:17:16] <Tom_L> not all are used at once
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[21:18:02] <flyback> that's what she said Tom_itx
[21:18:03] <L29Ah> is it possible to change MAX_VELOCITY in the runtime
[21:18:17] <L29Ah> ?
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[21:19:12] <L29Ah> or what's the best way to check whether my cnc become able to g0 w/o skipping steps faster with the modifications i made?
[21:19:52] <Tom_L> test different values
[21:21:42] <Tom_L> skunkworks so in order to have a multi turn arc i must use the P word right?
[21:24:33] <Tom_L> that or program a series of single arc moves incrementing Z as the pitch which seems a little crazy
[21:27:53] <Tom_L> so far all the templates i've looked at just use plane, X Y Z I J and F for parameters
[21:30:52] <skunkworks> Tom_L: yes for 1 line
[21:31:11] <skunkworks> you can do a helix with a z move but just for the distance of the single line
[21:31:18] <Tom_L> i suppose you code yours manually?
[21:31:54] <Tom_L> yeah, in order to do a thread that way i'd have to stack several of those
[21:32:25] <Tom_L> i do have a template word that gives the Z distance (pitch) per rev
[21:32:46] <Tom_L> i haven't found one yet that gives the total turns
[21:46:23] <Tom_L> yeah i think it will work ok by stacking them
[21:46:47] <Tom_L> might be easier to calculate the thread pitch anyway then just stack the number of full threads i need
[21:49:35] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:49:42] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[21:50:06] <Tom_L> just used a random tool for the test
[21:52:15] <Tom_L> it's not outputting x though but i know why
[22:02:08] <Tom_L> skunkworks does that look ok?
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[22:02:39] <Tom_L> also i could take the last line and add a P word for the number of lines output and it would do the same thing i think
[22:03:16] <Tom_L> i'm not much into editing files though if i can get the cam to do it
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[22:03:30] <Tom_L> but so far i can't using the P word
[22:04:21] <Tom_L> so the last line would read G02 X0.5 Y0.0 Z-0.8462 I-0.5 J0.0 P11
[22:04:49] <Tom_L> then the rest could be eliminated
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[22:30:13] <_unreal_> got a bunch of small project done finally today
[22:30:35] <_unreal_> GOD I just want to be done helping my father with his house... why did I ever agree to help
[22:30:41] <_unreal_> months now
[22:31:01] <_unreal_> Picked up my power cord
[22:31:12] <XXCoder> lol
[22:31:42] <_unreal_> got my power cord pre mounted in the strain relief I got in the mail... still need to drill the BIG ass hole in the case also discovered that they didnt include the BACK retainer :( so I have to find one @#$@#$
[22:31:48] <_unreal_> so Ic an MOUNT that
[22:32:32] <_unreal_> Got my 15A reset able breaker installed, got the MAINS relay rivited into place and almost all of my wires have been mounted to it
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[23:28:02] <HighInBC> the electronics is the easy part
[23:28:10] <HighInBC> the hard part is physically mounting everything
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