#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-09-24
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[00:04:05] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com
[00:04:33] <XXCoder> positions and ratios is incorrect but you get the idea
[00:04:43] <pink_vampire> i see! clever!
[00:05:22] <XXCoder> you'd have to make custom jaw, make sure its either taller than entire drill depth, OR just do one side a time
[00:05:24] <pink_vampire> so i drill the jaw and use it to locate the pins.
[00:06:14] <pink_vampire> you gave me better idea
[00:06:16] <XXCoder> pretty much. it should be simple enough to make soft jaws from alum
[00:06:26] <pink_vampire> just to machine flats on the part
[00:07:05] <XXCoder> yeah similiar thing (but with part resting ON pins) can be done for say making nuts also yeah
[00:07:42] <XXCoder> theres limitions though nut thing better be done with side upwards as usual
[00:08:26] <XXCoder> anyway with that setup you just use 2 pins a time, first horzional ones to drill first 2 holes that is at 90 degree, then remove right pin and move pin to angled one
[00:08:31] <XXCoder> do other 4 holes
[00:08:36] <pink_vampire> my vise is the small emco ones and i want to use them the 5" are the ones for soft jaws, and there is no way i'm going to lift them for only that.
[00:09:58] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:10:14] <XXCoder> heh I can barely lift 6" kurt ones, it kurts my back
[00:10:29] <XXCoder> there is few true monster 8" ones yeah im very not lifting that
[00:10:42] <pink_vampire> the small emco are so nice on the mill
[00:12:00] <XXCoder> http://xtl.kapsi.fi looks nice
[00:12:04] <XXCoder> looks like 2 inches high?
[00:13:09] <pink_vampire> no, abit larger
[00:13:27] <XXCoder> no how tall is it?
[00:13:27] <pink_vampire> the ones that i got with the lathe
[00:14:14] <pink_vampire> one sec i will take a pic
[00:15:23] <pink_vampire> my phone is dead
[00:16:32] <MarcelineVQ> XXCoder: joepie had a video on a similar interesting pin technique just recently, can't find it though
[00:16:59] <XXCoder> doh pink
[00:17:03] <XXCoder> marc interesting
[00:17:15] <pink_vampire> uploadingg
[00:17:26] <XXCoder> yeah its nice way to use existing features to hold part in correct place for other features
[00:17:29] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com vise vs 123 block
[00:17:56] <XXCoder> so its little shorter than 2 inches tall. not bad!
[00:18:05] <XXCoder> actually kinda usablke for my cnc router lol
[00:18:33] <pink_vampire> yeah you can use them no problem
[00:18:49] <pink_vampire> you can make them very easy
[00:19:14] <pink_vampire> i think to make a copy of them
[00:19:31] <Wolf__> this video I think https://youtu.be
[00:19:35] <XXCoder> my machine can barely run and cut alum :) unfortunately plans cant happen till has more room
[00:20:09] <XXCoder> he shakes camera way too much
[00:20:29] <MarcelineVQ> Yeah that was it, I guess I saw it recently rather than it was recent
[00:20:47] <pink_vampire> Wolf__: i need to driil the holes on the other shell
[00:21:22] <pink_vampire> i just add some flats to the parts
[00:21:43] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: didnt think of that possibility but then she cant angle part like that
[00:22:02] <MarcelineVQ> I don't know if it's applicable, just that the vid came to mind
[00:22:19] <Wolf__> just need to adapt things
[00:22:46] <XXCoder> method I thought up isnt really complex, just make new soft jaw quick then add 3 holes
[00:22:53] <Wolf__> this one explains adapting the same idea https://youtu.be
[00:22:55] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[00:23:01] <XXCoder> then position part so and so then drill 6 holes
[00:23:03] <pink_vampire> problem solved
[00:23:33] <XXCoder> with that you dont even need angled hole just 2 holes horzional
[00:23:46] <XXCoder> and since you reuse same holes all sides will be cut same way
[00:24:20] <pink_vampire> it also not a critical part
[00:24:31] <pink_vampire> I think i will drill it by hand
[00:24:36] <XXCoder> all same makes it look awesome lol
[00:24:40] <pink_vampire> with the cordless drill
[00:24:51] <XXCoder> im jelious, I suck with drill lol
[00:25:08] <pink_vampire> if you can't make it right - make it bright.
[00:25:53] <pink_vampire> or maybe to make it as a pocket operation
[00:26:00] <pink_vampire> I need 5 axis mill
[00:26:23] <XXCoder> not really, most stuff you can do with creative vise jaws and thinking
[00:26:36] <pink_vampire> where i the servo spindle / indexer when i need it?
[00:26:44] <XXCoder> it takes quite a COMPLEX part to start needing 4th and 5th axis
[00:27:26] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: one sec, I will add decorative impeller on the top.
[00:28:01] <XXCoder> impeller is techinically can be done with just 3 axis machibe but so so many steps that could go wrong lol
[00:28:22] <pink_vampire> HOW
[00:28:28] <pink_vampire> HOWWWW just HOW
[00:28:31] <XXCoder> 4th and it suddenly is much easier. 5th is easiest
[00:28:47] <XXCoder> you manually place part in number of degrees each "fin"
[00:28:59] <XXCoder> darn near 100% chance something goes wrong lol
[00:30:28] <pink_vampire> but every axis is move in the same time
[00:30:33] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[00:30:56] <XXCoder> yeah ability to rotate like that makes it so much easier
[00:31:11] <XXCoder> if cant would need to carve out by ball endmill
[00:31:21] <XXCoder> rotate part, repeat
[00:31:31] <XXCoder> yeah not worth doing lol
[00:31:52] <XXCoder> you could also techinically hand-carve one but yeah
[00:32:06] <XXCoder> what can be done is not always best way
[00:32:35] <XXCoder> fanastic video.
[00:32:35] <pink_vampire> hand-carved inconel
[00:32:40] <XXCoder> lol
[00:32:57] <XXCoder> if someone was assigned that that person would cry
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[00:37:06] <pink_vampire> if you need to kill some time https://www.youtube.com
[00:38:33] <XXCoder> looking
[00:39:03] <XXCoder> 3 hours lol
[00:39:09] <pink_vampire> almost 4..
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[01:27:10] <CaptHindsight> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com what do they use for low cost 4+ axis CAM?
[01:27:25] <CaptHindsight> is there some 5 axis engraving software out there?
[01:27:45] <CaptHindsight> from China or similar
[01:27:59] <XXCoder> I wish I knew
[01:29:32] <XXCoder> question 2 is not even answered lol
[01:32:53] <CaptHindsight> i think they just swap one of the linear axis for a rotary and then treat the engraving like a rectangle wrapped around a cylinder
[01:33:24] <CaptHindsight> XAZ for XYZ
[01:38:03] <XXCoder> thats one way to use multiaxis like 3 yeah but theres better ones, but so far I know all are out of home use range price
[01:38:14] <XXCoder> only one maybe is fusion
[01:38:22] <XXCoder> since its free for home
[01:38:27] <XXCoder> (income based)
[01:40:08] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: F360, HSMWORKS,
[01:40:28] <XXCoder> hsmworks is "techinically" free but it depends on solidworks
[01:40:49] <pink_vampire> free?? no
[01:41:04] <XXCoder> hm misremembered
[01:41:05] <pink_vampire> hsm express is free 2.5
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[01:41:42] <pink_vampire> works give you the full 3d machining, and 4,5 axis
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[01:42:30] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: I think the pocket NC i better option
[01:43:41] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com just read the comments LOL
[01:44:55] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com - very nice foam cutting
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[01:49:57] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com
[01:50:18] <XXCoder> looking
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[01:51:38] <XXCoder> looks like china machine cutting part
[01:52:08] <XXCoder> earlier video is nice
[01:52:16] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
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[01:52:30] <pink_vampire> the video title is LOL
[01:55:15] <XXCoder> first one comments can cut steel ti? yeaaah right :P
[01:55:38] <pink_vampire> i love the "semi" in the title
[01:55:56] <XXCoder> 4th video?
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[01:59:07] <XXCoder> semi accuracy lol
[02:00:09] <pink_vampire> also curving inconel
[02:00:57] <XXCoder> weird
[02:01:06] <XXCoder> guy used tool without measuring length
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[02:02:30] <pink_vampire> he is funny guy but the machine is nice.
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[02:41:03] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: i took my emco vise apart
[02:41:14] <pink_vampire> do you want to see them?
[02:41:21] <XXCoder> sure why not
[02:41:31] <pink_vampire> or you want some measurements?
[02:42:00] <XXCoder> not really can always look up or ask you later. it rpobably will be over a year or more before finally can build a shop
[02:43:40] <pink_vampire> oh ok
[02:44:03] <pink_vampire> i'm clean all the aluminum dust
[02:45:13] <XXCoder> yep you gonna schedule maintenance or your equipment will schedule it for you lol
[02:47:17] <pink_vampire> i hate to work with dirty equipment
[02:55:42] <XXCoder> yeah work its always dirty but I clean whatever needed to preserve precision
[02:56:32] <pink_vampire> i clean it inside out
[02:59:41] <pink_vampire> all clean
[03:03:03] <XXCoder> :)
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[03:07:00] <pink_vampire> the oiler is clogged
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[03:11:45] <Loetmichel> *hmpf* quality services... out provider supplied us with a fiber "modem"/router for the company network... took about two years, today i came to the company an hour ago to be greeted by the boss "INTERNET ISNT WORKING! DO SOMETHING"... investigated: the cheap as fu** 15V 1A wallwart is dead. even melting traces on the little transformer inside... good thing we are an IT company... took a
[03:11:45] <Loetmichel> 12V 2A PSU that was surplus in the "junk box", thuned it up to 15V and installed it on the router. :-)
[03:11:50] <Deejay> moin
[03:12:45] <pink_vampire> Cleaned!!!!!!!!!
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[03:17:50] <XXCoder> :)
[03:18:20] <XXCoder> lol Loetmichel
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[03:18:28] <XXCoder> ghetto repairs
[03:19:12] <Loetmichel> indeed
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[03:19:26] <Loetmichel> no cover on the psu whatsoever ;)
[03:19:59] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: you are a legend
[03:24:35] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: nope, just a bit above average ;)
[03:25:16] <XXCoder> plan to make cover?
[03:25:22] <XXCoder> temp solution tend to turn perment lol
[03:27:40] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: not yet. cowork just ordered a new PSU in a bit higher quality...
[03:27:47] <Loetmichel> lets see if that appears here..
[03:28:51] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:28:59] <XXCoder> oh pink_vampire a second
[03:30:03] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com
[03:30:14] <XXCoder> very clean machine
[03:30:57] <pink_vampire> WTF it was machined?
[03:31:08] <XXCoder> some weird material
[03:31:16] <XXCoder> its basically fake wood
[03:31:29] <pink_vampire> in your job?
[03:31:33] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:32:37] <syyl> haha
[03:32:43] <syyl> hose it down with cooleant ;)
[03:32:48] <syyl> wont make a mess at all :D
[03:32:50] <XXCoder> its long since been cleaned
[03:33:07] <XXCoder> this was right after I finished last part
[03:33:13] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: very clean indeed... i know that problem... plastics tend to do it even more... -> http://www.cyrom.org
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[03:33:30] <XXCoder> yeah I remember that picture
[03:34:06] <XXCoder> I took that picture in 8/14 lol
[03:34:31] <Loetmichel> PVC isnt that nuch better... -> http://www.cyrom.org
[03:34:47] <XXCoder> know whats #1?
[03:34:50] <XXCoder> fiberglass
[03:35:06] <XXCoder> it forms into mud and if one mud spot dries on your skin...
[03:35:09] <XXCoder> itchy
[03:35:25] <Loetmichel> i know. dont get it into your lungs though
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[03:35:30] <Loetmichel> its carcinogen
[03:35:38] <XXCoder> we use tooons coolant to keep dust down
[03:35:54] <XXCoder> one coworker was dumb enough to let it dry
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[03:36:23] <XXCoder> I put stop to it, and carefully washed part and table with coolant by turn it on and jog it under it
[03:36:34] <XXCoder> moved it around till it was nice and dust-free
[03:36:54] <XXCoder> that guy isnt really type that listens so it will happen again. whatever
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[03:50:28] <XXCoder> this is coooool https://imgur.com
[03:51:30] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: is that considered a legit machining graphite?
[03:53:09] <XXCoder> not sure what you mean by legit
[04:12:32] <pink_vampire> i mean it is a pencil note graphite electrode
[04:13:02] <XXCoder> oh it looks like regular milling
[04:13:12] <XXCoder> probably even by linuxcnc image to gcode
[04:13:37] <Loetmichel> pencil core is usually graphite with some clay as a binder
[04:13:55] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you are not getting my jokes :(
[04:14:08] <XXCoder> oh lol
[04:14:29] <XXCoder> sorry pretty down right now, getting sicker now bah
[04:14:40] <XXCoder> I was getting better and better but now..
[04:16:21] <pink_vampire> I have annoying problem with my emco vise, they not align with the T slots
[04:17:21] <XXCoder> why wont it align?
[04:17:53] <pink_vampire> let me take a pic
[04:19:18] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[04:19:54] <pink_vampire> i don't want to drill the vise
[04:20:35] <XXCoder> hm isnt those holes align if you move it towards you a little
[04:21:03] <pink_vampire> but also the position
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[06:35:26] <jthornton> morning
[06:35:58] <XXCoder> hey
[06:36:02] <Tom_L> morning
[06:36:24] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:37:56] <Deejay> heya
[06:41:39] <XXCoder> check this out https://twitter.com
[06:49:04] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: something I wanted to try https://pbs.twimg.com
[06:49:19] <pink_vampire> mee too
[06:49:24] <pink_vampire> one day.
[06:50:10] <pink_vampire> i even have ball endmills here with 1/8" shank just for trying injection molding.
[06:50:11] <jthornton> is that wax?
[06:50:19] <XXCoder> maybe, or plastic
[06:50:28] <XXCoder> either can be then used in wet sand casting
[06:50:30] <jthornton> for plastic you would have to inject it under pressure
[06:50:44] <XXCoder> hmm likely wax then
[06:51:04] <pink_vampire> jthornton: you can do small parts very easy
[06:51:20] <XXCoder> https://pbs.twimg.com looks plastic
[06:51:25] <pink_vampire> with a piston that push by hand
[06:51:31] <XXCoder> they probably should redesign that object
[06:52:08] <jthornton> pink_vampire: have you done any small parts by hand?
[06:53:21] <pink_vampire> jthornton: https://www.youtube.com
[06:53:39] <XXCoder> interesting!
[06:54:02] <pink_vampire> you can also use the Z axis
[06:54:19] <XXCoder> my machine is far too small for that
[06:54:30] <XXCoder> found at https://www.techkits.com
[06:54:33] <XXCoder> $1800
[06:55:13] <pink_vampire> you remember that ? https://www.youtube.com
[06:56:12] <jthornton> I don't trust putube videos when they say it's easy to use
[06:56:23] <XXCoder> 1800 bucks is bit expensive to buy tio play with lol
[06:56:59] <jthornton> there is a guy that makes tracks for battle bots and tanks and such somewhere
[06:57:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: it is just a piston, with a pid temperature controller..
[06:57:24] <XXCoder> yeah though I dont have skills to cobble one together
[06:57:42] <XXCoder> oh theres cheaper drill press based one
[06:57:48] <XXCoder> 595 bucks bit high
[06:58:29] <XXCoder> https://www.techkits.com
[06:58:41] <pink_vampire> bore some bar on the lathe and make the piston,
[06:58:50] <XXCoder> zero lathe skills
[06:59:00] <pink_vampire> ok..
[06:59:04] <XXCoder> (besides insert and remove parts and hit button lol)
[06:59:27] <pink_vampire> drill rod, and reamer
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[06:59:48] <pink_vampire> I like the sugar dispenser
[07:00:17] <XXCoder> huh
[07:00:53] * jthornton signs up for Medicare today lol
[07:01:00] <XXCoder> fun
[07:01:08] <pink_vampire> I saw some fancy cnc benchtop injection machine
[07:01:14] <XXCoder> I am not sure if im still in medicare or not
[07:01:19] <XXCoder> been long while lol
[07:01:52] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[07:01:56] <XXCoder> damn I hate being sick
[07:02:21] <XXCoder> I miss old days when I just heal from sick in a day or so
[07:02:27] <XXCoder> aging sucks
[07:03:44] <pink_vampire> yeah
[07:04:12] <jthornton> takes forever to heal at my age
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[07:22:02] <XXCoder> ugh!
[07:22:13] <XXCoder> I feel a lot weaker after going downstairs and folding my clothes
[07:23:27] <pink_vampire> why?
[07:23:32] <XXCoder> sick
[07:27:59] <jthornton> yea my new chicken door opened on time and the light came on
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[09:52:52] <methods_> https://lulz.com
[09:53:06] <methods_> that escalated quickly...
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[10:08:13] <flyback> good
[10:08:15] <flyback> fuck coc
[10:08:37] <rmu> there is some serious BS going on there
[10:09:03] <methods_> indeed
[10:10:14] <rmu> how is a CoC supposed to prevent rape?
[10:11:29] <methods_> this is bill gates crowning achvmnt
[10:11:36] <methods_> he's finally going to topple linux with sjw's
[10:12:18] <flyback> ugh\
[10:12:29] <flyback> those nutjobs make me look sane
[10:13:48] <rmu> time to dig out the HURD
[10:14:55] <Loetmichel> methods_: i dont think thats bill gates behind that
[10:15:11] <methods_> are you sure?
[10:15:15] <Loetmichel> sadly there are enough stupid people to do the SJW routine all on their own account.
[10:15:22] <methods_> nope
[10:15:25] <methods_> bill is doing this
[10:15:30] <methods_> he wants to destroy linux
[10:15:38] <methods_> his whole life has led to this
[10:15:47] <methods_> his crowning achvmnt
[10:15:57] <Loetmichel> "never assume malice where simple stupidity is sufficient as an explanation" ;)
[10:16:28] <methods_> #whoosh
[10:16:52] <Loetmichel> ?
[10:16:58] <methods_> exactly
[10:17:36] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[10:18:01] <Loetmichel> nope, didnt went over my head. just not plausible as an explanation. not even as a joke
[10:18:06] <Loetmichel> <- german... ;)
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[10:30:29] <rmu> this https://www.contributor-covenant.org doesn't look too bad (as in there are no points you could really argue against), it all depends how things are handled in practice
[10:35:46] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Hah, I was about to point out the German explanation ;)
[10:36:18] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: But you're selling yourself short. You are *delightfully* german.
[10:37:02] <phaxx> rmu: yeah, being respectful (or at least, not actively hostile) to other people is kind of a low bar, and I'm glad Linux has (or may have, depending on how this shakes out) that now.
[10:38:08] <FinboySlick> phaxx: I can see how it may be dangerous to formalize the obvious.
[10:39:01] <phaxx> it's unfortunate that basic standards of behaviour need to be formalised, but *shrug*
[10:42:10] <rmu> "the only winning move is not to play"
[10:43:02] <phaxx> hopefully not, but if the cost (being nice to other people) is too high, then yeah, probably.
[10:43:25] <rmu> i mean not engage in discussions
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[10:44:05] <phaxx> ah, maybe. debate can be good.
[10:44:33] <rmu> i didn't have a problem with linus saying something like "fuck you nvidia"
[10:50:11] <phaxx> yeah, I think care less about bile directed at companies.
[10:50:18] <rmu> debate about non-technical issues where no "benchmarking" is possible to get some emirical data tend do escalate quickly
[10:51:20] <phaxx> squishy human issues remain extremely difficult, I guess.
[10:53:22] <rmu> yeah, and mailinglists with high percentage of borderline-autistic people are not the proper place to solve them ;)
[10:53:42] <phaxx> ah, now we're getting to where you and I agree about the only winning move being not playing. :)
[10:54:05] <rmu> :)
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[10:58:32] <methods_> well hopefully the whole thing won't go nuclear
[10:59:17] <phaxx> yeah
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[11:06:09] <rmu> it won't. some self-important people (will) have there 5 minutes in the spotlight, then it will be business as usual, perhaps without most of linus' rants about stupid developers
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[11:07:31] <FinboySlick> Taking the risk of it going nuclear to appease some people is debatable though.
[11:08:41] <rmu> look at the SCO allegations for the kind of money and time that would be involved if somebody decides to go to court
[11:10:28] <rmu> the logical outcome of this "crisis" would be for copyright assignment to the linux foundation or similar body
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[11:57:54] <miss0r> evenin'
[11:58:21] <miss0r> Anyone in here know anything about the Bacho brand tool cart? (how is it quality wise?)
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[11:58:49] <miss0r> evening fragalot
[11:59:14] <fragalot> hi
[11:59:18] <miss0r> fragalot: I was just asking in here if anyone knew what quality to expect from a bacho tool cart. Do you have any ideas?
[11:59:30] <fragalot> just tested the DRO's read-out, seems fine over 10mm
[11:59:36] <fragalot> bahco? middling quality
[11:59:37] <miss0r> nice
[11:59:51] <miss0r> yeah, that is the tool quality. What about the tool cart itself?
[12:00:01] <fragalot> :P
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[12:00:20] <fragalot> the shop I used to work at ~11yrs ago (time flies!) used them
[12:00:24] <fragalot> was perfectly servicable
[12:00:36] <miss0r> ha.. Sounds good.
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[12:00:59] <miss0r> My father got an offer for one, but did not know about the quality. So he asked me, and I told him I had no idea, but that I would ask in here ;)
[12:01:10] <fragalot> M-DRO is not aware of any software bugs, but they are filming demo videos on how to use it
[12:01:18] <fragalot> apparently the angle operation changes between XY and YZ
[12:01:27] <fragalot> god if I know why it asks for a diameter though
[12:01:36] <miss0r> yeah. That seems a bit off
[12:01:49] <miss0r> I wonder what their instruction video will look like
[12:01:50] <miss0r> :)
[12:02:05] <fragalot> not mentioning the YZ plane settings, probably
[12:02:08] <miss0r> Getting it to give results the one with the firmware you have is uncapable of :P
[12:02:20] <miss0r> incapable*
[12:02:20] <miss0r> :D
[12:04:08] <fragalot> shame it doesn't have a XZ plane, as far as I can tell
[12:04:14] <fragalot> would have been useful in horizontal mode
[12:04:38] <fragalot> (that said, I don't think i've ever used the angle function, :D)
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[12:05:25] <miss0r> :D
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[12:09:52] <gregcnc> so i thought I could dry a plastic jug by microwaving it
[12:10:03] <fragalot> well, you're not wrong
[12:10:28] <miss0r> depends on the plastic :D
[12:10:44] <gregcnc> it didn't melt, but the small drops of water didn't boil off either?
[12:10:48] <miss0r> well.. only depends on the plastic, if you have a need for it to keep its shape
[12:11:04] <fragalot> gregcnc: small droplets will never heat in a microwave
[12:11:19] <fragalot> they are too small to absorb the energy
[12:11:29] <gregcnc> ah, i figured it would be somethign related to size
[12:12:30] <fragalot> the wavelength is somewhere around 120mm iirc
[12:12:58] <fragalot> and the waves are not very well distributed
[12:14:11] <gregcnc> this microwave in particular has a odd pattern that makes soup sounds like it exploded ever ytime
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[12:57:42] <fragalot> bahah
[12:57:56] <fragalot> miss0r: you know how i'm forced to use an iphone by work?
[12:58:25] <fragalot> miss0r: it's just tried to install ios12, which apparently took well over an hour.. and it's just dinged me to enter the passcode to finish the installation
[12:58:43] <fragalot> miss0r: after which it's shown "press Home to start recovery" <enter passcode> "attempting to recover your data"
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[13:34:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com are these used mainly as 3-axis machines for engraving?
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[13:35:05] <CaptHindsight> do they just swap a linear axis for a rotary?
[13:35:51] <CaptHindsight> XYZ becomes XBZ etc and treat the rectangle as wrapped around a cylinder
[13:36:23] <fragalot> it clearly says 5 axis
[13:36:31] <CaptHindsight> sure
[13:36:39] <CaptHindsight> but I doubt they use them that way
[13:37:08] <CaptHindsight> they don't use web based 5-axis CAM in China
[13:39:14] <Rab> I wonder how that column's constructed.
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[13:40:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[13:42:23] <CaptHindsight> from the page "4: Do you need any training for this"
[13:42:34] <CaptHindsight> no question mark
[13:44:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com
[13:44:36] <CaptHindsight> "Heavy Duty Design, Machine Weight Reach 1500KG, Avoid Machine Shaking During Working"
[13:45:01] <CaptHindsight> challenge accepted
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[13:48:58] <fragalot> hehe
[13:49:05] <CaptHindsight> Rab: I'm sure it's at least some sort of hollow metal tube
[13:52:34] <CaptHindsight> https://bobcad.com
[13:58:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scorchworks.com
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[14:40:27] <gloops> what pivots on that 5 axis?
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[14:42:57] <fragalot> tilting rotary table
[14:43:58] <CaptHindsight> maybe there's a cracked version of mastercam floating around there
[14:44:22] <gloops> yeah there is
[14:44:35] <gloops> you can use f360 - but not the free version
[14:44:50] <gloops> or as archivist would advise - hand code it
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[14:52:05] <CaptHindsight> gloops: I was wondering what buyers of those engravers use for 5 axis CAM
[14:52:25] <CaptHindsight> or if they just use 3-axis at a time
[14:52:43] <gloops> they dont, they spend 2 months on facebook pleading for information on 5 axis cam then sell it
[14:53:53] <gregcnc> gloops did you ever look into http://www.cnc-toolkit.com
[14:54:27] <gloops> gregcnc is that the one that needs Rhino?
[14:55:08] <gregcnc> i don't think so, but I think it needs some odd old software
[14:55:51] <gloops> Although primarily developed and tested under 3DS MAX, the CNC Toolkit also works with Autodesk's Design Max and GMAX, which share the same core code.
[14:56:10] <gregcnc> i looked into it several years ago, nothing like a fully developed CAM
[14:56:14] <gloops> (GMAX is a free, limited version of 3DS MAX, but it can still use most of the CNC functions. The primary limitation of GMAX is no file export, although you can manually copy and paste the G-Code commands from the program's script listener to an external file approx. 10,000 characters at a time.
[14:56:26] <gloops> i never look further than the webpage
[14:56:29] <gloops> looked
[15:03:43] <gregcnc> this was done with cnctoolkit https://www.instagram.com
[15:06:39] <gloops> well it obviously works then
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[15:38:53] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org all of these I originally purchased back in ~2014 did not have the PCI_ID issue
[15:39:24] <CaptHindsight> all 3 of the latest ones have the issue
[15:39:48] <CaptHindsight> I'll try the pin strap fix to change PCI-ID's
[15:40:04] <CaptHindsight> a kernel mod for Debian may be loads of work
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[16:10:50] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be does the voice fit the face?
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[16:15:51] <cradek> wow, originally in a different language maybe?
[16:16:41] <XXCoder> lips moving seems nonenglish but same time dunno
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[16:28:52] <CaptHindsight> their phone number has the South Korea country code
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[16:29:26] <MarcelineVQ> srk: https://icfp18.sigplan.org http://delivery.acm.org
[16:32:18] <srk> MarcelineVQ: interesting, can't open second pdf tho
[16:32:39] <CaptHindsight> An error occurred while processing your request.
[16:32:39] <CaptHindsight> Reference #50.2de33e17.1537821147.13cb47b
[16:32:49] <MarcelineVQ> ah, it's probably ip locked, lemme find a stupider link
[16:33:00] <MarcelineVQ> https://dl.acm.org
[16:39:35] <srk> ty
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[17:07:26] <gloops> all my recent cad studies on youtube have lapsed into a mindless random click trail on music videos
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[19:27:51] <Tom_L> gregcnc was it you that mentioned not liking harvey tool thread mills?
[19:27:58] <Tom_L> if so, do you have a favorite?
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[19:38:37] <enleth> CaptHindsight: actually you can use the free version of F360 for 5-axis setups if you qualify for a startup license, where AFAIR the only real requirement is that your income is below something like $200k/year
[19:39:13] <enleth> don't have to be a recently founded business or something to be considered a startup, just the income cap
[19:43:45] <gregcnc> Tom_L i've been using https://www.ebay.com
[19:44:10] <gregcnc> they have their own online shop
[19:44:22] <Tom_L> funny, i'm sitting here looking at their page
[19:44:39] <Tom_L> good quality?
[19:45:35] <CaptHindsight> enleth: I'm not looking for it. Just wondering what people use that buy those 5-axis Chinese engravers
[19:46:06] <gregcnc> seem OK
[19:46:17] <CaptHindsight> not usre if the Great Firewall of China allows access to F360
[19:46:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe they have a Chinese domain?
[19:50:12] <CaptHindsight> fing Google, now it thinks I'm in the UK with an IP address in the midwest USA
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[19:50:49] <CaptHindsight> my searches are mostly UK sources now
[19:56:29] <enleth> CaptHindsight: no idea what they use there, just correcting what gloops said
[19:56:56] <enleth> if Autodesk didn't step on the communist regime's toes, it's probably accessible there, so that could very well be what some of them are using
[19:57:30] <enleth> and that's the only free-as-in-beer 5-axis CAD/CAM that I know of
[19:58:49] <CaptHindsight> why I'm wondering if they just use them as 3-axis machines and swap XYZ for XBZ and similar
[19:59:01] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Interesting, at work I have the opposite problem
[19:59:11] <enleth> on the other hand, with the Chinese having the attitude towards copyright that they do, I wouldn't be surprised if pirated copies of expensive CAMs were in widespread commercial use
[19:59:38] <andypugh> It will give my location as Essex, UK on the very same page as it gives me shopping results from Michigan
[19:59:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah cracker MastermCommieCAM
[19:59:51] <CaptHindsight> cracker/cracked
[20:00:02] <enleth> CaptHindsight: XBZ is definitely officially a thing for some chinese CNC machines
[20:00:23] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: I've noticed this before when I would copy and past a link of yours
[20:00:42] <enleth> CaptHindsight: chinese laser cutters come with round stock rollers powered by a motor that you connect in place of the Y axis motor
[20:00:48] <CaptHindsight> my search results would become UK centric until I change IP's
[20:00:56] <enleth> to engrave bottles or whatever
[20:01:21] <CaptHindsight> same for flatbed inkjet
[20:01:39] <CaptHindsight> the cylinder adapter
[20:01:58] <CaptHindsight> converts your rectangle print area to the outside of a cylinder
[20:04:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scorchworks.com
[20:05:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.cncwrapper.com
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[20:24:13] <andypugh> Or you can do it by hand coding ;-)
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[22:16:36] <Tom_L> do they mix cobalt with carbide to take some of the brittleness out of the carbide?
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[22:24:26] <tiwake> Tom_L: I know there is silicon carbide and tungsten carbide, donno about other types
[22:30:06] <djdelorie> boron carbide is a thing
[22:36:19] <Tom_L> i just saw some carbide cutters that advertized 10% cobalt
[22:36:37] <Tom_L> wasn't sure if that was a good thing or just standard tool carbide
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[22:55:17] <trentster> Hi all when connecting a stepper driver alarm pin (Leadshine Am882) to the break out board, do i just configure an input pin like 16 = ESTOP and run a wire between the two?
[22:55:49] <trentster> 1) I am trying to get the machine to halt if a driver stalls.
[22:56:10] <trentster> 2) Do I wire each driver to the same input pin ?
[22:56:10] <pink_vampire> never worked with the Am882
[22:57:27] <pink_vampire> can you take a picture of the terminals? / text on them
[22:58:39] <pink_vampire> trentster: maybe this will be helpful http://www.mycncuk.com
[22:59:13] <trentster> pink_vampire: thanks I had just found that myself, was busy reading it.
[22:59:16] <pink_vampire> there is a wiring diagram http://www.mycncuk.com
[23:01:16] <trentster> Thanks, I am not great at understanding wiring diagrams
[23:02:08] <trentster> it shows a ressitor there between enable Plus and fault plus ? is this correct?
[23:02:42] <pink_vampire> I think the "alarm" is just an output
[23:02:44] <trentster> and what is the flt- pin going to that looks like a little antennae(2 lines) ?
[23:02:54] <trentster> *3lines
[23:03:37] <trentster> so do i just take a wire from FLT+ to BOB input pin?
[23:03:42] <djdelorie> that symbol means "ground"
[23:03:45] <trentster> and config that pin as estop?
[23:05:07] <pink_vampire> maybe FLT is acronym to fault ?
[23:05:22] <trentster> yeah I assumed FLT means ALM
[23:05:56] <djdelorie> for other symbols, this might help: https://www.rapidtables.com
[23:06:13] <pink_vampire> i think you can ignore the FLT- FLT+
[23:06:50] <pink_vampire> it is maybe like the ERR in the G320x
[23:07:49] <trentster> ok let me give it a try
[23:07:59] <trentster> back in a bit
[23:10:04] <pink_vampire> I think it's an output the show if something is wrong.
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[23:30:09] <pink_vampire> someone try facing operation but with adaptive toolpath?
[23:30:47] <pink_vampire> I'm talking about facing with small endmills like 1/8" and about 30K rpm and more
[23:38:33] <Tom_L> doesn't seem that conventional
[23:40:15] <pink_vampire> I think I will be better against castling
[23:42:48] <pink_vampire> traditional right left machining will be 1:54, and adaptive spiral cut in constant load will be 1:44
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[23:59:17] <trentster> pink_vampire: I have wired it up. The voltage on AM+ is 7.6V and then when the alarm goes off (e.g stalled motor) red light on driver flashes and voltage drops to 0V I have this connected to BOB input pin 10 and verified with multimeter that this pin see a drop to 0V as well.