#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-09-25
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[00:00:40] <trentster> I have told mymill.hal " net estop-ext <= parport.0.pin-10-in"
[00:00:56] <trentster> but when it stalls it does not stop the machine.
[00:01:09] <trentster> Do I need to add in some additional configs somewhere?
[00:02:09] <pink_vampire> is that a stepper or servo driver??
[00:02:17] <trentster> stepper
[00:03:35] <pink_vampire> so, why there is an ALARM signal?
[00:06:05] <trentster> its from the driver when the driver detects a stepper has stalled etc
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[00:06:13] <pink_vampire> on a servo system the "Err / alarm" tel you there is some encoder problem and you the machine is off the position,
[00:06:42] <pink_vampire> but on stepper, I can't see why they have it.
[00:06:50] <trentster> Same thing really its to let linuxcnc know one of the drives has a problem and therefore the machine should go into error
[00:07:01] <trentster> same as what happens when a limit switch is hut.
[00:07:05] <trentster> *hit
[00:07:44] <pink_vampire> but what error?
[00:08:14] <pink_vampire> why you get the alarm signal to begin with?
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[00:11:40] <veek> what's the difference between a tap bolt and a hex bolt
[00:12:08] <veek> hex is fully threaded? while the tap has a portion of the shank smooth?
[00:12:17] <veek> or is it the other way
[00:12:44] <trentster> pink_vampire: what difference does it make. e.g a motor stalled or an axis hit somethign and stalled the motor out.
[00:13:24] <pink_vampire> some error are not critical,
[00:13:30] <trentster> The driver running that motor is mart and goes into error and can output that info the linuxcnc so that the other axis stop moving until the error is resolved.
[00:13:51] <Wolf__> nice thought, but if the stepper system needs fault out for stall, its probably going to lose steps
[00:14:04] <trentster> pink_vampire: who cares if its critical or not, thats subjective, I am asking how to get it to work.
[00:14:55] <pink_vampire> you need to make like OR gate in hal
[00:15:07] <pink_vampire> and connect the to the signal
[00:16:28] <pink_vampire> trentster: I had similar problem with the probe and the tool setter
[00:16:49] <trentster> whats the procedure for conencting an estop?
[00:16:50] <pink_vampire> 2 pins that act as "probe"
[00:16:55] <trentster> it should be indentical
[00:17:25] <pink_vampire> one sec I will look at my hal code
[00:17:34] <pink_vampire> the machine is running right now
[00:17:39] <Wolf__> veek: https://www.portlandbolt.com
[00:18:11] <trentster> pink_vampire: thanks mate
[00:20:03] <pink_vampire> it is a 3 axis machine?
[00:22:35] <trentster> yeah
[00:22:37] <trentster> 3 axis
[00:23:09] <Wolf__> my next build is a 1 axis cnc
[00:23:10] <pink_vampire> so I think you can take my hal file, and edit the probe input to be your e-stop input
[00:23:30] <pink_vampire> and you will get 2 e-stop inputs
[00:25:31] <trentster> thanks
[00:25:36] <trentster> I will take a look
[00:26:09] <pink_vampire> the machining is done
[00:26:23] <pink_vampire> amazing finish!
[00:26:46] <veek> Wolf__, thanks
[00:28:26] <pink_vampire> ok
[00:28:32] <pink_vampire> this is how it is work
[00:28:41] <pink_vampire> net my-sigin1 or2.0.in0 <= parport.1.pin-10-in-not
[00:28:46] <pink_vampire> net my-sigin2 or2.0.in1 <= parport.1.pin-11-in
[00:29:20] <trentster> is that the only configs you have for those?
[00:29:25] <trentster> no other entries needed?
[00:29:32] <pink_vampire> it is take the lpt pins 10 ans 11 and push them in to the OR inputs
[00:31:07] <pink_vampire> then i connect the probe-input the the OR
[00:31:10] <pink_vampire> net both-on motion.probe-input <= or2.0.out
[00:31:31] <trentster> ok thanks
[00:31:39] <trentster> I will play again.
[00:31:43] <pink_vampire> the both-on is part of the stacklight - so i think you can ignore it.
[00:34:41] <pink_vampire> but to be honest, just get some simple 7430 (74ls30 74HC30) and connect all your error stuff to it, and just connect the out put of it to your linux cnc,
[00:35:11] <ziper> _unreal_, whats the best material to use for a core that will get dissolved later
[00:35:33] <pink_vampire> or you can use like arduino nano, and monitor temperature and stuff, and show them on some nice lcd
[00:35:53] <pink_vampire> ziper: you mean like low temperature alloy??
[00:36:18] <ziper> pink_vampire, FRP layup over a core
[00:37:52] <pink_vampire> not sure
[00:38:54] <pink_vampire> but on my fiberglass stuff i'm using pva mold release
[00:39:25] <pink_vampire> but I'm not sure what do you mean by "core"
[00:39:50] <ziper> the geometry of the part would preclude simply sliding out the core
[00:40:09] <Wolf__> foam board maybe?
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[00:45:31] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com surface fish - as machined adaptive facing with constant load
[00:51:29] <miss0r> trentster: You around?
[00:52:07] <miss0r> pink_vampire: Looks realy reflective. How does the surface feel?
[00:53:57] <pink_vampire> like glass
[00:54:33] <miss0r> nice
[00:55:19] <pink_vampire> i love the HF
[00:57:00] <pink_vampire> why there is no undo / history for the dro
[00:57:16] <miss0r> some have
[00:57:20] <miss0r> depends on the DRO
[00:57:42] <pink_vampire> linux cnc dro
[00:59:30] <miss0r> I wouldn't know :) I haven't used linuxcnc for a few years. I'm only building a new controller for it now
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[01:03:37] <pink_vampire> miss0r: i taught you are one of the linuxcnc advocates
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[01:07:17] <fragalot> hey
[01:07:20] <pink_vampire> hi
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[01:15:34] <miss0r> fragalot: !
[01:19:15] <pink_vampire> I just LOVE it when the machine beep at the end
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[01:27:33] <trentster> miss0r:
[01:27:43] <trentster> Am Now :-)
[01:27:56] <pink_vampire> I just machine the BEST finish so far
[01:33:59] <pink_vampire> finish https://i.imgur.com
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[01:36:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com CNC controlled airbrush done with LinuxCNC
[01:37:37] <pink_vampire> HF air brush
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[01:37:45] <pink_vampire> i have the same one
[01:37:47] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Cnc airbrush
[01:38:48] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: how is the X/Y work with the cables?
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[01:40:11] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be surprised by how simple these are
[01:41:09] <CaptHindsight> they don't modulate nozzle distance from substrate, air pressure or ink volume
[01:42:07] <pink_vampire> why you need it?
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[01:45:19] <pink_vampire> what is the advantage of it over printer?
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[01:47:00] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com Airbrush CNC Support and Control with Marlin
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[01:49:08] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: do you want to build one?
[01:49:11] <CaptHindsight> the last one modulates ink volume
[01:49:30] <pink_vampire> they use servo
[01:49:55] <pink_vampire> https://www.thingiverse.com
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[01:56:07] <Wolf__> I would have never thought of cncing a airbrush…
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[02:11:07] <veek> check out ettlinger new illustrated guide to everything sold - must read (but i think you guys will know most of what's in it)
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[03:00:15] <Deejay> moin
[03:00:22] <pink_vampire> hii Deejay
[03:00:34] <Deejay> hi pink
[03:00:46] <pink_vampire> any cool parts?
[03:01:45] <Deejay> nope
[03:02:04] <pink_vampire> :(
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[03:28:47] <Loetmichel> niice :-( 1.5 hours at work and the workshop alreday stinks like hot PVC... milling 400*300mm*8mm PVC plate down to 4,75mm with a 6mm two flute... MAAAN that takes its sweet time...
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[05:08:48] <XXCoder> hundreds of "washers"
[05:08:49] <XXCoder> fun
[05:09:16] <XXCoder> got seriously sick severial times but managed to use my will to stay on all way to end of shift
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[05:30:03] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[05:30:14] <XXCoder> hey whats up
[05:30:33] <pink_vampire> I'm fine
[05:30:44] <pink_vampire> geep the machine busy
[05:30:51] <pink_vampire> and cook the same time
[05:30:55] <pink_vampire> keep*
[05:31:07] <XXCoder> just be sure not to cook chips :D lol
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[05:34:58] <pink_vampire> i need better pump for the coolant
[05:35:08] <XXCoder> whats you using now?
[05:35:35] <pink_vampire> some "rv style" pump
[05:35:48] <pink_vampire> noisy as f*ck
[05:36:02] <pink_vampire> and it is over heat
[05:36:24] <XXCoder> how about fountain pump thingy?
[05:36:29] <XXCoder> hobby stores tend to have em
[05:36:36] <XXCoder> its designed to run forever
[05:37:17] <pink_vampire> i need to pump the coolant about 1.5 meter high
[05:37:58] <XXCoder> various different designs but theres ones that can spray coolant that high
[05:38:03] <XXCoder> let alone in hose
[05:38:48] <pink_vampire> i mean the spindle coolant that go in to the body of the spindle
[05:39:05] <XXCoder> ahh yeah that requires more :)
[05:39:58] <pink_vampire> i want it to be quiet
[05:40:23] <XXCoder> lol this is interesting https://blog.gardenloversclub.com
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[05:41:06] <pink_vampire> 10 mbar..
[05:41:14] <pink_vampire> maybe 10..
[05:42:27] <XXCoder> "does not work when partially in shade" lol
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[05:43:19] <pink_vampire> what about permanently in the shed?
[05:44:01] <XXCoder> I wonder if it has off switch
[05:44:42] <pink_vampire> just put some hefty bag on it , and call it done
[05:45:13] <XXCoder> I guess blocking light would basically turn ut off yeah
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[06:05:13] <XXCoder> dang 3.4 million chickens drowned
[06:05:20] <XXCoder> hurricane florence
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[06:30:37] <jthornton> morning
[06:30:58] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[06:31:09] <XXCoder> remember guy who got seriously hurt with hand?
[06:31:18] <jthornton> yea
[06:31:21] <XXCoder> he come in today, not to work but let us all know whats going on
[06:31:40] <XXCoder> apparently he got some musicle and ligiments cut from arm and put into hand
[06:31:55] <jthornton> dang
[06:32:12] <XXCoder> from what I recall it means he is permently weaker on right arm but hey if it means hand works...
[06:32:51] <jthornton> yea
[06:33:01] <XXCoder> anyway im sure he will be in PT for months so not back anytime soon
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[06:43:46] <XXCoder> man
[06:44:00] <XXCoder> wish I am a billionare, so I can buy elio and make it happen finally
[06:44:04] <XXCoder> its been long wait
[06:44:26] <jthornton> elio stalled out?
[06:44:37] <XXCoder> yeah funding issues still
[06:44:43] <XXCoder> testing cars cost moolah
[06:44:59] <XXCoder> also building factory still
[06:45:42] <XXCoder> I hope eliocoin thing kicks off well and they get few million buckjs
[06:45:47] <XXCoder> but ehh I dunno lol
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[06:53:04] <XXCoder> jthornton: so far elio stocks have peaked a little. was 3 bucks or less but now its higher 4
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[07:16:44] <pink_vampire> what is the feed and speed for #80 solid carbide drill in hss?
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[07:19:01] <jthornton> wow that is tiny
[07:19:20] <pink_vampire> i know
[07:19:44] <pink_vampire> 3mm deep
[07:20:16] <jthornton> do you have a hand feed chuck?
[07:20:37] <jthornton> that's the only way I've drilled holes < #60
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[07:21:09] <pink_vampire> cnc
[07:21:47] <pink_vampire> I need to drill 32 holes like that
[07:22:51] <jthornton> look up a feed and speed calculator
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[07:34:09] <Laminae_> Hey guys, considering expanding my cnc empire a bit but i'm hoping someone has some wisdom with 4 axis hot wire with foam, any takers?
[07:34:45] <pink_vampire> Laminae_: sounds cool
[07:35:10] <pink_vampire> what do you have now?
[07:35:39] <Laminae_> Kern c02 200w, a cbeam cnc router and a few 3d printers
[07:35:50] <Laminae_> Running linuxcnc on the cbeam
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[07:36:15] <Laminae_> I'm not finding much documentation for hot wire on linuxcnc
[07:36:24] <Laminae_> It has clearly been done though
[07:36:26] <jthornton> Laminae_: axis can do hot wire
[07:36:30] <pink_vampire> with 200W you can cut steel
[07:36:44] <jthornton> you select the foam option IIRC
[07:37:06] <Laminae_> eh, it's not very practical for steel
[07:37:27] <pink_vampire> what you are cutting with that?
[07:37:29] <Laminae_> Well, i'm really wanting to cut 1.9lb epp which is some dense stuff
[07:37:54] <Laminae_> Primarily foam actually, but acrylic and wood pretty frequently too
[07:38:08] <pink_vampire> you are in the RC stuff?
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[07:38:20] <Laminae_> What gave me away <.<
[07:38:23] <Laminae_> ?
[07:39:27] <Laminae_> I have the cnc router and printers are at home, the laser is at work
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[07:40:54] <Laminae_> I have a ton of mdf (1/2" to 1") and hdpe (1/4), enough that i think i could build a frame plenty rigid enough to cut foam out of it. I can't find details about cam for hot wire
[07:41:09] <Laminae_> I pretty much just use fusion because i've never needed anything else
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[07:42:12] <pink_vampire> it is like wire edm
[07:42:16] <pink_vampire> same code
[07:42:40] <Laminae_> One sec, gonna google foo through that
[07:43:09] <pink_vampire> you want xy / xy, or xyz?
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[07:43:13] <Laminae_> I saw that somewhere else and i was confused because i though that was waterjet
[07:43:21] <Laminae_> xyz
[07:43:41] <pink_vampire> so any 2D cam will work for that
[07:44:02] <Laminae_> THis is essentially what i'd like to use https://www.youtube.com
[07:44:09] <pink_vampire> you only need something special if you have XY XY
[07:44:25] <Laminae_> I'm hoping i can use super cheapie drivers for this since i won't be pulling much current at all
[07:45:16] <Laminae_> I'd rather not fork over the monies for another 7i76e but that would probably be the simpolest option so i can just plug it into the same computer that runs the cbeam
[07:45:37] <jthornton> no need for a 7i76e a 7i96 will do for that
[07:46:03] <Laminae_> jthornton: thanks again for your help setting my machine up
[07:46:07] <Laminae_> I really appreciate it!
[07:46:22] <jthornton> your welcome, have you looked at the 7i96?
[07:46:30] <pink_vampire> in the video each side is independent, so you have XY on one side, and X2 Y2 on the other side
[07:46:48] <Laminae_> Plus z
[07:46:49] <pink_vampire> it is 4 axis machine not xyz (3 axis)
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[07:47:08] <Laminae_> Sorry thought i said four axis to start
[07:48:06] <pink_vampire> you can think about it as 2 ZY machine or ZX
[07:49:12] <jthornton> Laminae_: there is an axis sim for foam
[07:49:20] <pink_vampire> maybe ? https://www.foamwork.net
[07:49:30] <Laminae_> In fusion?
[07:49:54] <pink_vampire> no! in linux cnc
[07:50:08] <Laminae_> I missed that!
[07:50:12] <Laminae_> Awesome!
[07:50:30] <Laminae_> If that software works well it is reasonably priced
[07:50:30] <pink_vampire> but it is just the display
[07:51:13] <Laminae_> Last update was 2011 makes me question compatability
[07:52:03] <pink_vampire> i remember this program http://www.profili2.com
[07:52:28] <pink_vampire> Laminae_: g code is from 1960 or so..
[07:52:50] <Laminae_> I mean whether the program will run on my hardware haha
[07:55:43] <pink_vampire> it is foam!! +- 0.5mm is almost nothing to worry about. the tolerance is huge, so even if you get something that just make dot to dot gcode, and it is not support arcs, you will be fine
[07:58:49] <jthornton> my G code logger supports arcs now
[07:59:15] <pink_vampire> "G code logger"?
[08:00:11] <jthornton> yea you jog to a point then select the type of move to get to that point and it records it so you can build a G code file
[08:00:48] <Laminae_> I think this guy needs a better microphone but this is really cool https://imgur.com
[08:00:49] <pink_vampire> i just ask hsm
[08:00:54] <Laminae_> Oops, wrong link
[08:01:02] <Laminae_> https://www.youtube.com
[08:03:47] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: fountain pumps work well for low pressure
[08:03:55] <Loetmichel> not so good if it has to lift much
[08:04:39] * Loetmichel has a micro fountain pump running at home for the spindle coolant... it takes an effort to lift the water up to the spindle if it had air in the system.
[08:05:42] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com and thats not much to lift, maybe 80cm
[08:05:55] <Loetmichel> oh... scrollback not down all the way, sorry
[08:07:04] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: i need a new pump
[08:07:11] <pink_vampire> I hate a noise
[08:07:52] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: spindle coolant or flood coolant?
[08:08:08] <pink_vampire> spindle
[08:08:23] <pink_vampire> "water cooled spindle"
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[08:43:13] * jthornton is always skeptical about videos that start out easier than you think
[08:55:36] <miss0r> 'afternoon
[08:55:45] <jthornton> morning
[08:55:59] <miss0r> Depends ;)
[08:56:53] <jthornton> yea I ran into that last night with python and dates lol
[08:57:26] <jthornton> my chicken door program failed because date.today() returns the UTC date and not the local date lol
[08:57:37] <miss0r> lol
[08:57:55] <miss0r> Now thats not something you hear everyday :D
[08:58:15] <jthornton> yea it worked in the am but after 6pm failed lol
[08:58:30] <jthornton> I'm going like WTF is wrong
[08:59:44] <miss0r> hehe
[09:00:39] * jthornton has to figure out how to make a mold for a fiberglass part
[09:03:16] <miss0r> Interresting.
[09:03:21] <miss0r> What are you molding?
[09:03:39] <jdh> pink foam board for 1 shot molds
[09:03:42] <jthornton> a cover for the air filter kit I sell for the Can Am Spyder
[09:04:05] <jthornton> I'm making a wood plug on my neighbors lathe
[09:04:23] <miss0r> :D
[09:04:29] <jthornton> I want to end up with either vacuum or a 2 part mold
[09:05:39] <jdh> airplane guy on youtube makes a lot of carbon fiber molds in no time
[09:05:54] <jthornton> which guy?
[09:06:04] <jdh> mike patey
[09:06:54] <jdh> draco ep 14 extras has a wood mold
[09:09:06] <jthornton> he's a lot too dramatic for me and not so much content for a 5 minute video lol
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[09:16:49] <jdh> yeah. pretty repetitive too. seems to be pretty talented though
[09:17:13] <jdh> makes a lot of parts on cnc.
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[10:15:12] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
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[11:20:54] <JT-Shop> JT-Shop did some calculations on SS and if you wait 12 months after you turn 100% you don't get ahead till your 81
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[11:30:26] <methods_> http://qrznow.com
[11:30:29] <methods_> lame
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[11:40:31] <rmu> methods_: what about SDRs like the USRP and the like?
[11:41:06] <rmu> these things cover DC to 6GHz
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[11:44:29] <methods_> those are just recievers
[11:45:49] <methods_> oh i guess those are more than just sdr's
[11:46:16] <methods_> i would assume that they would be complying with fcc
[11:47:50] <rmu> no, those are bidirectional
[11:48:03] <rmu> and multichannel
[11:49:00] <rmu> there are many more like that, like limesdr, limesdr-mini, hackrf, ...
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[11:53:30] <rmu> those things are as compliant to regulations as the software thats running on the host pc wants them to be
[11:55:07] <methods_> hmmm
[11:56:59] <sync> same with any smartphone
[11:58:03] <beachbumpete1> afternoon linuxCNC ;)
[11:58:21] <rmu> but with a smartphone you usually don't get to control the software on the modem side of things, and last i looked next to no hardware dox are available for the modem chips
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[11:59:04] <beachbumpete1> This point cloud stuff is cool....and frustrating at times LOL
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[13:08:39] <CaptHindsight> methods_: they go after all the low hanging fruit
[13:09:00] <methods_> yeah
[13:09:54] <CaptHindsight> I was picking up some RC servos at the hobby store and they manager told me that the FBI and HS stopped by and asked them to call if anyone stops by looking for drones that can carry 20+lbs and fly for 30+ minutes
[13:10:32] <CaptHindsight> do they sell the parts to build one? sure
[13:10:52] <CaptHindsight> just not anything pre-assembled
[13:12:53] <CaptHindsight> remember when they considered banning ADC's when they were going after music sharing?
[13:18:11] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Haha, they're trying to protect their copyright on what happend in Venesuella?
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[13:23:10] <fragalot> hey
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[13:28:10] <CaptHindsight> 1/12 scale B-17 with 20Kg payload and 1 hour flight time
[13:29:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com similar
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[13:58:10] <miss0r> 'evening
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[14:01:25] <diverdude> Hi fellas, sorry but I gotta ask this again. Given this motor: http://www.leadshine.com which at full step runs 0.15mm per step can at max speed run 2400/60*0.15=6mm/sec, and at half step maximum 3mm/sec? (2400 because this is maximum what is shown in graph in datasheet)
[14:02:18] <fragalot> diverdude: if you drive can handle it it can still run 6mm/sec regardless of if it's in half step mode or not
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[14:02:55] <fragalot> you just need to send twice the frequency of steps
[14:03:30] <diverdude> fragalot: ok i see, but topspeed is 6 mm/sec nomatter what i do then?
[14:03:48] <fragalot> kinda :)
[14:03:53] <diverdude> ish
[14:04:11] <fragalot> the top speed mainly depends on the voltage you use to drive the motor
[14:04:18] <fragalot> and the motor itself, obviously
[14:04:35] <diverdude> fragalot: ok...i have a 24V power supply
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[14:05:44] <fragalot> which one of those motors do you have in the PDF?
[14:05:52] <diverdude> fragalot: so those graphs in datasheet which up to 2400RPM should not be seen to what this motor can do at max?
[14:06:15] <diverdude> fragalot: i got the s09
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[14:07:05] <fragalot> on a 24V power supply, that motor can run at 10rps, or 600rpm max
[14:07:42] <fragalot> https://daycounter.com <=
[14:08:11] <diverdude> fragalot: wow so its even slower
[14:08:33] <fragalot> the 2400rpm you looked at is when it's lost almost all of it's torque, so it won't be able to actually move anything reliably anymore
[14:08:50] <fragalot> AND that curve is at 45Vdc
[14:09:31] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah i just saw that.
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[14:20:35] <diverdude> fragalot: ah sorry...i think i miscalculated...if motor runs 300 steps/rev and 0.15mm/step and 11.4 rev/sec(at max), top speed is 514 mm/sec. Correct?
[14:22:26] <fragalot> 513mm/S
[14:22:34] <fragalot> that's quite fast, what is this for and how is it built?
[14:24:34] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah...it is quite fast actually. I dont need all that speed, i need more smooth stepping, so drive allows me to do down to 1/64 microsteps. Its for microscopy
[14:25:17] * fragalot thinks you'd be a lot better off with a smaller step size
[14:25:23] <fragalot> eg. no belt drive like you're probably using now
[14:25:28] <fragalot> but a screw type
[14:25:45] <diverdude> yeah im using belt drive
[14:25:58] <diverdude> a screw type? what is that?
[14:26:04] <fragalot> literally using a screw to move the axis
[14:26:19] <diverdude> oh - can you maybe show me a picture of how that looks?
[14:26:19] <fragalot> either a ballscrew, acme, or a cheap threaded rod depending on your needs
[14:27:16] <fragalot> diverdude: you just use the motor to turn a screw, which then moves your axis
[14:27:30] <fragalot> if you don't need the speed, it can be a lot more accurate & smooth than belts
[14:28:21] <diverdude> fragalot: well ok...i need speed, but not that much speed
[14:28:49] <fragalot> so a 5mm pitch ballscrew would work there
[14:28:50] <fragalot> or 10mm
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[14:29:32] <fragalot> if you have a standard 180step stepper motor, that still gives you a 0.027mm or 0.056mm step size before you even start microstepping
[14:29:54] <fragalot> and at 600rpm, 3000mm/min and 6000mm/min
[14:29:59] <diverdude> yeah ok, nice
[14:32:02] <diverdude> fragalot: but hang on...now i know i can run 513mm/sec at top speed, full stepping. Thats at 300steps/sec. Lets say I wanted to maintain this speed 1/64 microstepping, then I would have to pulse 19200 times/sec right? How can i know if that is possible? Can i somehow calculate that?
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[14:32:42] <diverdude> (i am talking theoretic here for learning purposes...not saying i need or want that)
[14:32:46] <fragalot> depends on the drive you use (read the datasheet), and what you are using to generate the steps
[14:33:20] <diverdude> fragalot: i am using a drive like this: http://www.leadshine.com
[14:34:50] <diverdude> fragalot: ahhh it says Up to 10,000 steps resolution
[14:34:50] <fragalot> if you're using a mesa card it's probably not an issue, but I doubt a parallel port can generate a 20kHz signal
[14:35:09] <fragalot> the file you linked is the motor again :P
[14:35:09] <diverdude> fragalot: no, i am not using mesacard
[14:35:21] <diverdude> fragalot: oh sorry - my mistake
[14:35:54] <diverdude> i meant to post this http://www.leadshine.com
[14:36:29] * jthornton gives up trying to find the microstepping myths page
[14:36:33] <fragalot> pulse input frequency goes to 200kHz, so assuming the datasheet is correct, it should be fine
[14:36:55] <fragalot> but don't expect microstepping at 10k steps to be accurate
[14:36:57] <diverdude> fragalot: but it says: 8 selectable resolutions up to 10000 steps/rev
[14:37:42] <fragalot> diverdude: sure, but if it had a max input frequency of say, 10kHz, that would mean you could do no more than 10 revs per second at 10k microstepping
[14:37:49] <fragalot> (which is a ridiculous number anyway)
[14:38:15] <diverdude> the one i have is actually slightly different...it goes to 12800
[14:39:06] <CaptHindsight> diverdude: whats the range of travel? 100 x 100mm?
[14:39:41] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: no its more than that, but i have way to much speed, i know
[14:39:54] <fragalot> man the media is eating up this whole possible power shortage thing this winter (AGAIN)
[14:40:18] <fragalot> and it's sickening hearing the reporters TRY to corner and push the politicians they interview into saying certain things that both parties know is untrue
[14:41:19] <fragalot> diverdude: bear in mind that 'speed' only matteres if you have enough travel to actually get there
[14:41:19] * jthornton wanders out to the shop to try and get something done... anything really
[14:41:38] <fragalot> because stepper motors need time to work up to their max RPM
[14:42:50] <CaptHindsight> <-- been saving up the power from summer to use all winter
[14:42:50] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah i know...i am still at the "understanding principles" stage
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[14:43:14] <diverdude> fragalot: i am using accelstepper, so yeah they ramp up and down
[14:43:41] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: we have 7 nuclear plants. Only 1 is operational, the others are literally falling apart because they keep saying they will shut down "next year"
[14:43:52] <fragalot> and they have been saying this for the past.. 28 years
[14:44:13] <fragalot> yet no viable alternatives have been built :)
[14:44:14] <diverdude> fragalot: i dont get it...why are nuclear plants shutting down all over the place and coal plants popping up :/
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[14:44:31] <diverdude> i think its kinda dumb
[14:44:43] <fragalot> diverdude: nuclear plants here are shutting down because they are literally falling apart due to a lack of investments & preventive maintenance
[14:44:57] <fragalot> there is no coal power here, and there won't be
[14:45:10] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah but they should put the resources to renew them or build new ones
[14:45:12] <fragalot> there is talk about using gas powered for backup
[14:45:18] <fragalot> diverdude: yup.
[14:45:21] <fragalot> but they don't
[14:45:23] <diverdude> fragalot: where are you at?
[14:45:27] <fragalot> belgium
[14:45:29] <diverdude> ahh
[14:45:41] <diverdude> germany is also shutting down all nuclear plants
[14:45:49] <CaptHindsight> still lots of money left in selling fossil fuels
[14:46:06] <diverdude> its like we just do everything we can to smash down nature
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[14:46:55] <diverdude> denmark is running on coal as well...sure we have a lot of wind energy...but thats not really reliable
[14:48:21] <diverdude> and then we fall back on fossil fuels
[14:48:52] <diverdude> nuclear plants just makes so much sense to any rational human being i would say
[14:49:09] <CaptHindsight> well rational
[14:49:16] <CaptHindsight> there is your answer
[14:49:22] <diverdude> yeah :/
[14:50:08] <fragalot> xD
[14:50:20] <SpeedEvil> Solar has gotten _ridiculously_ cheaper over the past little while.
[14:50:27] <fragalot> the problem is the bad image they've gotten
[14:50:27] <SpeedEvil> As in under $0.5/peak watt.
[14:50:46] <diverdude> SpeedEvil: that is true...but again...pretty unreliable unless living in sahara :/
[14:50:57] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: it has, but without being able to store them efficiently / cheaply, it's no good in winter in central europe
[14:51:13] <CaptHindsight> people round heres fought against solar since the solar farms would suck all the light out of the air
[14:51:16] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: that is an issue, though better housing stock can mitigate that.
[14:51:27] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: hahahaah good one :D
[14:51:55] <SpeedEvil> Also, in principle, continental scale interconnectors.
[14:51:59] <SpeedEvil> But that raises other issues.
[14:52:03] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: it does
[14:52:06] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: you could probably make a campaign like that and people would buy it :D
[14:52:25] <fragalot> the whole "get an electric car so it can power your house" thing makes me laugh though when brought up as an alternative
[14:53:10] <fragalot> because it can power your house at night, whilst it's charging from the nighttime solar panels, and your house can then be powered with the solar panels when you're at work with said car during the day
[14:53:17] <fragalot> >.>
[14:53:20] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: depends on your use-case, it can make for a small minority of people a useful addition.
[14:53:21] <CaptHindsight> diverdude: it's that stupid here
[14:53:26] <diverdude> fragalot: i do get the idea about electric cars though....but makes most sense when fueled by nuclear plants
[14:53:29] <SpeedEvil> That number of people is very small.
[14:53:38] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: i think everywhere
[14:53:41] <fragalot> diverdude: i have nothing against electric cars
[14:53:48] <fragalot> but the whole "use it as a power source for your house" is BS.
[14:54:04] <diverdude> fragalot: haha well that just makes no sense
[14:54:49] <CaptHindsight> there is a free charging station near here for Teslas
[14:54:53] <fragalot> same thing with the tesla power wall thing
[14:55:04] <fragalot> at least in belgium it makes zero financial sense
[14:55:12] <CaptHindsight> I was wondering how long I could charge a battery pack before they get wise and change the rules
[14:55:14] <SpeedEvil> I assume there is some agreement saying you can't extract power for general use from your battery.
[14:55:19] <diverdude> fragalot: stupid campaigns collect a lot of money
[14:55:21] <fragalot> because if you have solar panels, pushing back to the grid and running your meter backwards is how you avoid paying for power
[14:55:26] <CaptHindsight> having packs the size of a bus
[14:55:27] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: install a rolling road in your garage.
[14:55:47] <fragalot> you're effectively using the grid as the battery (from a fiancial POV)
[14:56:05] <fragalot> and if you're connected to the grid, and have solar panels, regardless of if you feed back or not, you pay for it
[14:56:13] <fragalot> disconnecting from the grid is illegal
[14:56:21] <fragalot> ergo.. powerwalls are worthless here. :)
[14:57:31] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: I think your battery pack needs to negotiate with their charger cloud before it is allowed to take the juice.. and it's monitored on the fly, you start to get charged after a while
[14:57:53] <CaptHindsight> https://goo.gl
[14:59:03] * JT-Shop came back from town with the missus and I round the corner and see my 6 tomato plants all wilted and make a comment the plants need some water look how wilted they are... the wife says maybe they have too much water... screeeeech bang I guess we'll find out
[15:00:06] <fragalot> JT-Shop: I remember having that same conversation about our peppers
[15:00:12] <fragalot> so we decided to water one, and leave the other
[15:00:17] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: only if you are permitted to feed back at the same price you pay. In the UK, you are not.
[15:00:18] <fragalot> both lost their leaves and died the next day
[15:00:20] <fragalot> >.>
[15:00:39] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: in belgium you do not get any money back for feeding back
[15:00:41] <diverdude> fragalot: sorry, one more stupid question. Lets say i need 19200 pulses/sec to keep the 513mm/sec, then i only need up 20Khz pulse frequency supported in the driver theortically right?
[15:00:43] <fragalot> your meter only runs backwards
[15:01:00] <fragalot> if you run it back too far, they just reset their stats to that number for your next invoice
[15:01:10] <fragalot> if it runs forward in between readings, you pay for the difference
[15:01:16] <JT-Shop> I've been watering them 4-6 times a day and as soon as I water them they come back
[15:01:22] <CaptHindsight> look how big uhmerican cars are compared to just about anywhere else
[15:01:22] <JT-Shop> I just quit watering those
[15:01:24] <fragalot> so it is in your best interest to try to keep the number as stable as possible when read
[15:01:47] <SpeedEvil> Legally here, you are paid 1/10th of the normal unit price as 'export' - before any other incentives, which get complex.
[15:02:06] <fragalot> the incentives are gone here
[15:02:14] <fragalot> they overpromised a decade ago
[15:02:16] <fragalot> got burnt
[15:02:20] <fragalot> now everyone has to pay for it
[15:02:39] <JT-Shop> fragalot: I have 3 tomato plants in one 5 gallon size planter and they need water every few hours when the sun is shining on them
[15:02:58] <JT-Shop> that was a mistake to put that many in a 5 gallon planter...
[15:03:04] <fragalot> lol
[15:03:47] <JT-Shop> but they were so small and cute when they were just seedlings
[15:04:17] <CaptHindsight> eggplants take over
[15:04:30] <CaptHindsight> same with corn
[15:04:57] <fragalot> we planted borage once
[15:05:04] <JT-Shop> I have a sweet potato that has taken over the ground of one raised bed planter
[15:05:05] <CaptHindsight> all cute and in rows next to everything else and then a month goes by and everything else is dead
[15:05:05] <fragalot> still haven't managed to get rid of it
[15:06:22] <CaptHindsight> out here you can rent small fields
[15:06:33] <CaptHindsight> grow just about anything
[15:08:16] <CaptHindsight> https://farmdocdaily.illinois.edu
[15:10:30] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: does Canada still offer citizenship if you move and farm somewhere in the middle?
[15:18:26] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Hmmm... I think the only requirement is to accept the Queen as your ruler and the seat of God's dominion on earth.
[15:20:36] <FinboySlick> You may have to claim one of the 78 official genders to qualify as a political refugee though.
[15:25:31] <fragalot> FinboySlick: is canadian an allowed gender?
[15:27:15] <FinboySlick> Oh all genders are allowed. We just legally mandate 78 official pronouns for them, which you are compelled to use under that law.
[15:28:42] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: so I'm already Canadian!!
[15:35:06] <JT-Shop> I guess so long as the patches don't overlap each other you can just keep patching a mountain bike tube...
[15:35:24] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: forgot about their business model, most feastures are already there, you just pay to unlock them like a video game
[15:35:44] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: who'se business model?
[15:35:51] <CaptHindsight> Tesla
[15:35:57] <fragalot> Ah yeah
[15:36:03] <fragalot> but regardless of how much you pay
[15:36:10] <fragalot> you will still get a door handle that fails
[15:36:14] <fragalot> and trim that doesn't line up
[15:36:16] <fragalot> and uneven panel gaps
[15:36:30] <fragalot> and splines that wear out prematurely
[15:36:37] <fragalot> but other than that, they're alright cars :)
[15:36:42] <CaptHindsight> I find those features charming
[15:36:58] <gloops> 952 years since the death of Harald Hardrada and the end of the Viking Age
[15:37:16] <CaptHindsight> i didn't even know he was sick
[15:37:29] <fragalot> wait, harald passed?
[15:38:57] <CaptHindsight> at least your leaders don't get laughed AT by the UN
[15:39:19] <CaptHindsight> was a woosh moment
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[15:43:31] <gloops> Hardradas invading army was humiliated by the english king Harold, and totally destroyed
[15:43:45] <gloops> 400 ships came, 12 left
[15:44:52] <CaptHindsight> why you don't mess with Yorkshire
[15:45:17] <CaptHindsight> invading 3rd world countries never works out well
[15:45:25] <rmu> was that the "bluetooth" harald?
[15:46:06] <gloops> yes thats him rmu
[15:46:37] <rmu> oi thought that guy was german/danish... hence the bluetooth runes
[15:46:48] <rmu> norwegeian
[15:48:17] <rmu> whatever the difference. 1000 years ago.
[15:48:54] <gloops> still important today, arguably the normans still rule the world
[15:49:15] <fragalot> that's mormons you're thinking of
[15:49:37] <CaptHindsight> had names Norman, but he was Jewish
[15:49:47] <CaptHindsight> had a friend named...
[15:50:30] <rmu> the concept of "normans" was a strange one then is definitely is without meaning now
[15:50:56] <CaptHindsight> didn't they invent Normandy
[15:51:08] <rmu> hehe... invent ;)
[15:51:14] <CaptHindsight> later to become the D-Day
[15:51:48] <gloops> oh i dont know rmu, i mean if i went back to the battle of 1066 dress in chain mail, theyd look at me and say - oh yeah, hes one of us
[15:51:51] <gloops> same genes
[15:51:56] <CaptHindsight> they teach us history pretty well here
[15:52:31] <rmu> gloops: you would probably stand out one head taller than the rest and would be put on a pyre for being a sorcerer
[15:53:10] <CaptHindsight> Vikings were from Scandinavia
[15:53:35] <gloops> the Normans too
[15:53:51] <rmu> "same genes" is bullshit
[15:53:55] <CaptHindsight> Scandinaviady would be too hard to say
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[15:54:47] <gloops> i dont see why rmu
[15:55:04] <rmu> probaböy
[15:55:17] <gloops> i look just like the bloke on the coins
[15:55:47] <CaptHindsight> King Alfred kept the vikings out
[15:56:06] <rmu> i wouldn't even recognize your queen from the pound-coins
[15:56:17] <FinboySlick> Actually, the Normands were essentially what we know today as the French... I'm not sure how well they 'still rule the world' to be honest.
[15:56:28] <gloops> https://d13z1xw8270sfc.cloudfront.net
[15:57:00] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: well they still control the east part of Canada
[15:57:15] <FinboySlick> 'control'... Hah!
[15:57:30] <CaptHindsight> even though they sold it during the Indian wars
[15:57:37] <FinboySlick> It's election month... You'd be amused what that control looks like right now.
[15:57:53] <CaptHindsight> sold us the hot a and humid parts
[15:58:04] <CaptHindsight> so we could raise mosquitoes
[15:58:21] <CaptHindsight> and dysentery
[15:59:11] <CaptHindsight> oh, I'll have to stream some Canadian TV
[16:00:11] <FinboySlick> I was watching the 'El-Chapo' netflix TV series, which has a surprising amount of politics in it. And it was rather interesting to see how similar mexican politics is to Quebec politics.
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[16:00:51] <rmu> so harald bluetooth was king of denmark at about 958 abd 986, harald hadrada
[16:00:59] <rmu> hardrada
[16:01:07] <rmu> about 1046 to 1066
[16:01:10] <rmu> according to wikipedia
[16:01:15] <rmu> something doesn add up
[16:01:29] <FinboySlick> They hadn't invented the other vowels back then?
[16:02:22] <gloops> might be the other harald yes
[16:02:37] <FinboySlick> But which one was Ragnar?
[16:02:51] <gloops> im taking about the giant viking king, a living legend, could kill 6 men with one swing of his axe etc
[16:02:55] <rmu> seems the "engrish" had an "o" for "harold"
[16:04:21] <CaptHindsight> hah, we had Paul Bunyan
[16:04:57] <rmu> FinboySlick: look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_German_consonant_shift, complicated stuff
[16:05:28] <CaptHindsight> and John Henry
[16:06:00] <FinboySlick> rmu: I'm just amused about how many 'a' were in the name.
[16:06:18] <CaptHindsight> well German has no silent letters or agendas
[16:06:39] <rmu> hehe... what is a silent agenda?
[16:06:52] <rmu> some words do have letters you don't pronounce
[16:07:10] <FinboySlick> Too much sauerkraut and you'll know what a silent but deadly agenda is.
[16:07:24] <FinboySlick> Admitedly, it isn't always silent.
[16:07:36] <CaptHindsight> rumor has it
[16:07:47] <rmu> sauerkraut won't be that silent
[16:08:22] <rmu> some people can't even keep it in "long enough"
[16:08:34] <CaptHindsight> wasn't that done on purpose to keep separate from the French while in battle?
[16:08:58] <CaptHindsight> the french would be shouting with all sorts of silent letters
[16:09:07] <FinboySlick> My uncle makes some pretty good traditional one. cabbage, salt, juniper berries in layers in a wooden barrel.
[16:09:14] <gloops> i did not win the euromillions lottery today
[16:09:23] <CaptHindsight> while the Germanic forces would pronounce every letter
[16:09:25] <rmu> i alwa<s thought sauerkraut was james cook's invention
[16:10:04] <CaptHindsight> definitely some Cook
[16:11:06] <CaptHindsight> why did everyone want to invade England?
[16:11:26] <CaptHindsight> it's an island
[16:11:32] <CaptHindsight> surrounded by water
[16:11:35] <FinboySlick> They just had a feeling if you let them go unchecked, they'd mess up the whole world.
[16:11:39] <CaptHindsight> not even fresh water
[16:12:44] <DaViruz> i dont think the english are one to talk when it comes to invading people
[16:13:16] <CaptHindsight> Canada has hockey, maple syrup, Mounties etc..
[16:13:48] <FinboySlick> And every 24th of June, Quebec celebrates having its ass kicked by them.
[16:14:13] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: to be fair, you weren't ready
[16:14:29] <CaptHindsight> if you had been ready then it might be different
[16:14:34] <FinboySlick> And France had sort of given up.
[16:15:04] <CaptHindsight> when was the last time france won a war?
[16:15:15] <CaptHindsight> it's not what they do
[16:15:15] <rmu> it seems harold was not king for very long, his brother allied with the norwegians, and after their defeat, harold was killed by the french
[16:15:47] <FinboySlick> rmu: Interesting. That's more or less how the last season of Vikings ended.
[16:16:06] <CaptHindsight> shit, and I didn't watch it yet
[16:16:20] <CaptHindsight> hey Spoiler Alert
[16:17:09] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Not that big a spoiler, don't worry. That said, you watched the previous seasons, right? I think it went too widescale in the last two seasons. Was better when it was more focused on individual characters.
[16:17:34] <CaptHindsight> I've seen the first 2 episodes from Season 1
[16:18:27] <FinboySlick> Well, it's definitely good stuff. Probably a bit too good, which is why they're sort of stretching it out too much.
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[16:19:00] <FinboySlick> But before they knew they'd have to run for so many seasons, they definitely put in some great work.
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[16:19:06] <CaptHindsight> just got through watching season 1 of Barry
[16:20:17] <FinboySlick> I tried very hard to like that one but it didn't work. I like the actors but it feels like a sitcom. Clearly written for its audience rather than focused on the story.
[16:20:40] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: My #1 recommendation for a short, good series would be Fargo.
[16:21:06] <FinboySlick> Every season is its own self-contained 10 episode story.
[16:21:09] <CaptHindsight> wasn't in to the original
[16:21:20] <FinboySlick> Doesn't matter.
[16:21:28] <CaptHindsight> not really in my range of interest
[16:21:36] <FinboySlick> They wink and nod towards the movie but it's a different story.
[16:21:39] <CaptHindsight> tried the new stuff
[16:22:45] <FinboySlick> The first episode tells you 100% what you're in for and if you'll like it. If you haven't I suggest you give it a shot.
[16:23:46] <CaptHindsight> recently tried to follow some new ones, The rain, The terror, Brockmire,
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[16:24:23] <FinboySlick> Oh they're definitely not in the same league.
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[17:18:24] * JT-Shop just bought a 14" x 42" wood lathe... dunno why
[17:21:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:41:35] <CaptHindsight> https://cdn.thingiverse.com jikes
[17:42:45] <CaptHindsight> FDM printed linear positioner with non-acme lead screw
[17:43:38] <CaptHindsight> https://cdn.thingiverse.com
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[20:24:48] <_unreal_> ziper, I've been very busy, now what are you asking about a core that disolevs?
[20:25:02] <_unreal_> dissolves
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[20:36:28] <andypugh> Salt cores?
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[20:43:19] <ziper> _unreal_, yeah, whats the best option for a core I want to remove later but can't just a mandrel because of the geometry of the part?
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[21:09:50] <CaptHindsight> ziper: what methods are available to you for making the mandrel?
[21:10:04] <CaptHindsight> FDM or SLA printer?
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[21:10:49] <CaptHindsight> how will the part be built around the mandrel?
[21:10:51] <ziper> its really simply, just a triangular section like 6m long, I was going to make it by hand
[21:10:59] <ziper> thats the removable part
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[21:11:20] <CaptHindsight> 6 meter length that won't slide out
[21:11:27] <ziper> the part that will stay will be a foam core, teardrop shape, about 2 inches by 10
[21:11:42] <ziper> CaptHindsight, right, so I want something that will dissolve
[21:11:53] <gregcnc> liquid nitrogen
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[21:12:52] <CaptHindsight> water soluble resin
[21:13:10] <CaptHindsight> by hand you could use PVA
[21:14:10] <CaptHindsight> can you make it from styrofoam? it dissolves in acetone
[21:14:27] <ziper> yeah i suppose
[21:14:28] <gregcnc> there you go
[21:15:26] <CaptHindsight> carved from meat? Use lye to dissolve
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[21:17:12] <CaptHindsight> paper mache
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[21:19:34] <djdelorie> aluminum dissolves in HCl . . .
[21:20:10] <ziper> and naoh
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[21:21:35] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be
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[22:19:41] <_unreal_> ziper so you just want a core you can remove easy
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[22:20:02] <_unreal_> Then look at the VERY low PSI rating cores
[22:20:12] <_unreal_> psi or oz rating....
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[23:11:48] <skunkworks> Share
[23:11:48] <skunkworks> https://youtu.be
[23:11:59] <skunkworks> share?
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[23:21:00] <Tom_L> nice idea
[23:21:25] <Tom_L> i used neoprene
[23:24:13] <skunkworks> i think neoprene is going to be the solution on the front of the y axis
[23:24:58] <Tom_L> we've got a rubber supply here i got some cutoffs for free
[23:25:06] <Tom_L> for grain elevators etc
[23:26:12] <skunkworks> ah. work has a steel rule die shop.. they use 1/8 inch neopreme for ejection
[23:26:24] <skunkworks> rubber
[23:26:26] <Tom_L> where yours is there, i hung a piece from Z and the Y one is attached to both ends
[23:26:45] <Tom_L> the front on mine is 1/8, the back is 1/16
[23:27:07] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:27:48] <Tom_L> the 1/8" is rigid enough it slides but i did have to add some bearings to keep it off the ends of the slides
[23:27:55] <Tom_L> it was starting to cut into it a little
[23:28:12] <skunkworks> ah
[23:28:16] <skunkworks> neat
[23:28:21] <Tom_L> got a pic somewhere..
[23:29:53] <skunkworks> dad thought mounting a pai
[23:30:20] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:30:33] <Tom_L> you can see where they were rubbing
[23:31:10] <skunkworks> dad thought mounting a brush on the x axis that reached down into the trough would wipe the shahings out each end
[23:31:52] <Tom_L> you may need something there
[23:32:22] <Tom_L> i've got a plastic guard around my table but chips still get there just not as bad
[23:33:23] <Tom_L> stole a couple of my kids roller skate bearings :)
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[23:33:32] <skunkworks> did you weight the 1/8 inch neopene?
[23:33:40] <Tom_L> no but i could
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[23:33:48] <Tom_L> oh, no i didn't need to
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[23:34:04] <Tom_L> the 1/16 i had on there initially would catch
[23:34:12] <Tom_L> this is stiff enough it slides fine
[23:34:19] <skunkworks> vool
[23:34:21] <skunkworks> cool
[23:34:30] <Tom_L> if you have room that's what i'd use
[23:34:41] <Tom_L> i didn't have room for the 1/8 on the backside
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[23:34:52] <Tom_L> but it works fine back there
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[23:36:02] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:36:09] <Tom_L> turned out as designed
[23:36:52] <skunkworks> sweei
[23:37:00] <skunkworks> jeeze
[23:37:00] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:37:03] <skunkworks> sweet
[23:37:06] <Tom_L> you can sorta see the rear one there
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[23:37:36] <Tom_L> it's attached to the Y slide mount so it moves with the table like yours
[23:38:41] <Tom_L> the drain slot there is the actual cutting limits
[23:39:09] <Tom_L> in X anyway
[23:39:29] <Tom_L> Y will go past the table
[23:39:59] <skunkworks> nice. what is the travel?
[23:41:17] <Tom_L> 17.75 x 13 x 7
[23:41:35] <Tom_L> but i extended Z so that may be a bit more
[23:41:41] <skunkworks> very nice
[23:41:59] <Tom_L> i wanna get longer slides for Z eventually but just added the risers for now
[23:42:34] <Tom_L> then taking the vise on and off won't present any problems
[23:44:53] <skunkworks> 10" x 7-3/8" X 11-5/8"
[23:45:03] <Tom_L> not bad
[23:45:19] <Tom_L> helluva lot better than my sherline was
[23:45:22] <skunkworks> usable
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[23:47:23] <skunkworks> dont know if you saw this.. http://electronicsam.com
[23:47:29] <Tom_L> which is z?
[23:47:40] <skunkworks> xyz
[23:47:49] <Tom_L> plenty of Z then
[23:48:09] <Tom_L> no i didn't see that one
[23:48:49] <skunkworks> that is why i added 5 inches to z :)
[23:48:56] <Tom_L> heh
[23:50:55] <Tom_L> you're about ready to make chips on that thing now
[23:51:21] <Tom_L> have you ever done any thread milling?
[23:51:31] <Tom_L> i think i wanna try that
[23:51:46] <Tom_L> got the cam figured out for it the other day
[23:51:58] <skunkworks> only once with a hand made thread mill
[23:52:06] <Tom_L> how'd that go?
[23:52:27] <skunkworks> for 2" threaded rod
[23:52:42] <Tom_L> not on the mill...
[23:52:44] <skunkworks> suprisingly good
[23:53:45] <Tom_L> you do that on the horizontal mill?
[23:54:29] <skunkworks> yes
[23:54:39] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[23:55:12] <skunkworks> for the end caps
[23:55:35] <Tom_L> ahh yeah i remember that
[23:55:51] <Tom_L> https://www.ebay.com
[23:55:58] <Tom_L> been lookin at some of those
[23:57:44] <Tom_L> my spindle motor isn't big enough for tapping so i figured i'd try milling the threads and see how that worked out
[23:59:14] <skunkworks> we tested the cutter in oak and it did ok... when we went to do the steel holes we figured out the cutter needed to turn ccw...
[23:59:29] <Tom_L> heh
[23:59:43] <skunkworks> so it