#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-09-27

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[06:56:56] <jthornton> morning
[06:57:32] <XXCoder> yo
[06:59:00] <XXCoder> dang uge dead snake https://www.youtube.com
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[12:21:12] <gloops> no cnc in the production of the jeans youre wearing right? https://www.facebook.com
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[13:32:55] <fragalot> hi
[13:49:08] <gloops> interesting random factoid on ITV news tonight - the average Venezualan lost 22kg in weight during the last year (thats 48 lbs or three and a half stones)
[13:49:32] <MarcelineVQ> So that's the secret to weight loss
[13:49:55] <gloops> yep, no matter how much oil youve got, there are still ways to get thin
[13:50:12] <MarcelineVQ> Are they measuring people, guessing, or just taking the weight off as an average by subtracting dead people?
[13:50:46] <Tom_L> you must log in to view...
[13:50:48] <gloops> im not sure what method they used but the people in the clip didnt look overfed
[13:50:52] <MarcelineVQ> Who's doing this measuring, in any case.
[13:51:48] <gloops> no idea
[13:51:55] <fragalot> ITV news editors
[13:52:00] <gloops> it was just 'news' on TV
[13:52:01] <fragalot> "we need a story"
[13:52:14] <MarcelineVQ> It's not news if you don't know where it comes from gloops. Though it is at least believable.
[13:52:28] <fragalot> MarcelineVQ: he does know where it comes from
[13:52:31] <fragalot> it was on ITV.
[13:52:35] <fragalot> therefore it MUST be true
[13:52:48] <gloops> ahh, i never said it was true did i
[13:52:50] <MarcelineVQ> I give gloops more faith than that fragalot
[13:53:06] <MarcelineVQ> Just curious about what's behind it
[13:53:32] <MarcelineVQ> it being the story
[13:54:32] <gloops> it began by saying prices had doubled in the last couple of days, then it said water was becoming a real problem etc
[13:55:02] <Tom_L> hah that ebay discount finally got here
[13:56:05] <CaptHindsight> pretty sure eating less and more activity is a proven method to lose weight
[13:57:03] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: That and a centrally-planned economy, apparently.
[13:57:18] <gloops> yes, putting prices up by 10000% while reducing income has also been knownn to work
[13:57:40] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: sure, this way the majority of the nation loses weight
[13:58:05] <gloops> its like that old inuit said - you cant eat oil
[13:58:10] <CaptHindsight> the Venezuelan Diet
[13:58:11] <FinboySlick> When they socialized Ukrainian farmers, the state printed posters reminding people that it is wrong to eat your own children.
[13:59:17] <CaptHindsight> so extreme socialism is bad?
[13:59:56] <CaptHindsight> or what's the other word for extreme in this case
[14:00:36] <gloops> not for socialists no
[14:00:44] <gloops> only the people who voted for them
[14:00:58] <MarcelineVQ> That inuit line is so confusing hehe
[14:01:04] <CaptHindsight> crony, faux, corrupted like "capitalism" of today
[14:01:46] <CaptHindsight> Ukrainians are fun loving people
[14:02:00] <CaptHindsight> unlike the current Russian leaders
[14:02:45] <MarcelineVQ> By which I mean I don't get the joke :>
[14:03:05] <CaptHindsight> Putin is like the crabby person at the party that doesn't like jokes
[14:04:02] <CaptHindsight> why I'm firmly against cats having any control over self driving cars
[14:04:21] <gloops> When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money
[14:04:35] <MarcelineVQ> Well sure, cats are sociopaths.
[14:04:48] <gloops> it was actually a cree indian MarcelineVQ - i just threw in the inuit for a laugh
[14:05:00] <MarcelineVQ> Oh okay ehe, that's why it didn't work
[14:05:03] <Tom_L> standard shipping 3.95: delivery Tues, expedited shipping 6.95: delivery Tues.
[14:05:10] <MarcelineVQ> See traditionally inuit routinely ate oil, it's a great source of energy and extra weight, it came from animal fat and powered their lamps too.
[14:05:28] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: I've noticed similar
[14:05:41] <CaptHindsight> different price, same day arrival
[14:06:09] <gloops> are there any real eskimos left?
[14:06:09] <fragalot> I like the $100 EMS shipping from china
[14:06:14] <fragalot> vs the free shipping
[14:06:22] <CaptHindsight> oh I think he meant crude oil
[14:06:23] <fragalot> because the free typically comes faster with lower taxes
[14:06:32] <MarcelineVQ> That depends a lot on who's calling them real.
[14:06:35] <FinboySlick> gloops: Kinda.
[14:06:46] <MarcelineVQ> I'm sure there's guys up north who call themselves that, and that's up to them.
[14:06:49] <CaptHindsight> seal blubber doesn't contain any crude oil
[14:07:12] <gloops> theyve all got thermals and snowmobiles these days
[14:07:13] <CaptHindsight> well maybe just trace amount
[14:07:17] <MarcelineVQ> Just crude oil byproducts :>
[14:07:52] <gloops> and iphones
[14:07:52] <Tom_L> CaptHindsight, i chose the 6.95 cause i want it Tues
[14:09:58] <CaptHindsight> what I find annoying is chosing "regular shipping" listed as USPS that later ships as UPS so no Saturday delivery as expected
[14:11:19] <Tom_L> 15% off all ebay today only
[14:11:53] <CaptHindsight> Last Location: Bensenville, IL, United States, Thursday, 09/27/2018 (so ~30 miles away)
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[14:12:12] <CaptHindsight> Estimated Delivery:
[14:12:12] <CaptHindsight> Monday, 10/01/2018
[14:12:53] <CaptHindsight> 4 more days
[14:13:57] <Tom_L> got a couple thread mills to play with
[14:15:31] <CaptHindsight> M2, 2.5,3 and 4 are my recent thread sizes
[14:15:50] <CaptHindsight> and of course all in aluminum
[14:16:04] <Tom_L> i was looking at them and it seems this one can do quite a few
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[14:16:26] <Tom_L> #10 M5 M6 and probably more
[14:17:05] <Tom_L> the metric one had the same basic dimensions
[14:18:36] <Tom_L> i think they reach a point the thread depth is more than the point so you gotta bump up a size
[14:19:33] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: did you find a new spindle?
[14:19:38] <CaptHindsight> for the mill
[14:19:49] <Tom_L> nope, still using the sherline
[14:20:20] <Tom_L> that's why i'm getting these. the motor is too weak to do rigid tapping
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[14:27:33] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc another Automation technologies special to be reworked
[14:29:01] <CaptHindsight> came with some steppers without specs
[14:29:03] <FinboySlick> That's an interesting extrusion profile.
[14:29:18] <FinboySlick> Looks a bit more sturdy than the typical ones.
[14:29:25] <CaptHindsight> part number is on the motors but no match anywhere
[14:29:46] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I'll have to compare
[14:30:10] <CaptHindsight> no nuts to adjust preload on the screws
[14:30:53] <CaptHindsight> red oxide coated nuts for spaces between the steppers and the mounts
[14:31:02] <CaptHindsight> spaces/spaers
[14:31:12] <CaptHindsight> spacers
[14:33:09] <Tom_L> for $60 i could get it a day sooner :)
[14:33:25] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc strain relief?
[14:33:51] <CaptHindsight> is that what the clamp is for?!
[14:34:14] <Tom_L> naw, the clamp is just to pinch the wires to cause a short
[14:34:33] <CaptHindsight> yeah, next day air has gotten pricey
[14:34:38] <Tom_L> they absolutely did the right thing there...
[14:35:27] <CaptHindsight> somebody sent me a return label for #6lbs to CA overnight and it was $160
[14:35:39] <CaptHindsight> FEDEX
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[14:49:09] <gloops> are we making our own chinese steppers yet?
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[14:54:54] <CaptHindsight> heh, Nema 17 stepper shares the threaded holes for mounting as well as body/coils, you tighten the mounting screws and the screws through the back popped out
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[16:05:59] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* just came back from meeting an old pal from kid days... we sat at the river outside in the beergarden... at 21:30 the friend started to complain about "its getting cold, lets pay and go home" $me "sure. But are you getting more sissy with age? You sit there in a fleece jacket and are freezing, i am sitting here in a tshirt and 3/4 long cargo pants and i am not cold..." His retort:
[16:05:59] <Loetmichel> "YOU have a thick thermal insulation layer under your skin, i dont!" $me: "touché" :-)
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[16:07:33] <Loetmichel> ( and it wasnt really cold. Only 12°C when we left, according to the thermometer at the entrance of the beergarden )
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[16:11:25] <Deejay> gn8
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[19:06:37] <Tom_L> quiet evening
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[19:17:49] <pcw_mesa> BANG BANG BANG CLATTER CLATTER
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[19:19:05] * JT-Shop just got back from a 550 mile road trip
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[19:19:32] <Tom_L> 2 3 or 4 wheels?
[19:19:38] <JT-Shop> 4
[19:20:42] <JT-Shop> picked up a Jet 14/42 wood lathe
[19:21:56] <tiwake> jet seems like crap though
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[19:22:54] <JT-Shop> it's an older jet so maybe better than using my neighbors shop smith
[19:25:31] <Tom_L> iirc my bud had a jet / bridgeport at the shop and it seemed ok
[19:26:11] <JT-Shop> it sure is a heavy beast
[19:27:04] <JT-Shop> time to tuck the hens in
[19:29:36] <Tom_L> calculating a thread, is there a direct relationship between the thread depth and it's pitch?
[19:32:41] <Tom_L> ahh... 'height' = .866 * pitch
[19:32:52] <Tom_L> on a V thread
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[19:33:49] <Tom_L> at least that's a start point for the cad on a single point thread
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[19:36:10] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com
[19:37:01] <Tom_L> i found not much gets under mine
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[19:37:32] <Tom_L> you gonna slice somebody's arm off if they're behind it :)
[19:39:41] <_unreal_> now I feel dumb. I spent a bunch of time setting up this board an RTC only to really look closer and discover its not an RTC..... rather its an inverted RTC... it tells elapsed time....
[19:39:45] <_unreal_> not time/date WTF....
[19:40:02] <_unreal_> I have some DS1302's somewhere but its been so long I dont remember where they are :(
[19:40:07] <_unreal_> trying to locate them sort of
[19:40:27] <_unreal_> just bumbed
[19:40:58] <skunkworks> Tom_L: hope not ;)
[19:41:02] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[19:41:15] <Tom_L> 1302
[19:41:37] <Tom_L> skunkworks i'd just stretch some neoprene across it honestly
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[19:45:38] <_unreal_> skunkworks, nice concept but that little channel will will faster then you can empty it doing a motion
[19:46:02] <Tom_L> i think that part is ok
[19:46:16] <Tom_L> but chips will stick to the brush
[19:47:20] <_unreal_> I would suggest trying to add a FOLD in the middle. maybe 2 folds origami if you will.
[19:47:26] <Tom_L> with coolant they'll stick to the back too
[19:47:27] <_unreal_> to defelect chips to the side
[19:47:36] <Tom_L> i just blow mine off when i'm done
[19:47:49] <_unreal_> OR use an active vacuum collection system
[19:47:58] <Tom_L> that gets messy
[19:48:13] <Tom_L> especially with coolant
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[19:48:23] <_unreal_> depends on what your milling... anything requiring cooling/lubricant total agreement
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[19:50:19] <_unreal_> OH WIERD I just got 3 comercials in a row on youtube
[19:52:42] <Tom_L> hmm these guys say .65 * Pitch
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[21:35:35] <CaptHindsight> with $20 Chinese airbrush and old ink https://i.postimg.cc
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[21:46:15] <sync> not bad
[21:46:34] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: it is your cnc?
[21:47:02] <CaptHindsight> nothing tuned yet, just first pass or two, you can see the entire path
[21:47:48] <pink_vampire> is that a 3d printer frame?
[21:48:10] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: ^
[21:48:35] <ziper> https://www.youtube.com
[21:49:46] <pink_vampire> ziper: just why?
[21:50:07] <ziper> pink_vampire, so that you dont lose your tools
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[21:50:30] <CaptHindsight> how did you get a youtube from the 70's?
[21:50:47] <ziper> i am patient
[21:51:29] <CaptHindsight> I can airbrush my name in all my tools now
[21:52:51] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: you cab use bluing
[21:52:54] <pink_vampire> can*
[21:57:15] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: ballscrew router
[21:57:35] <CaptHindsight> the real ones use linear servos or belt drives
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[22:00:56] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: what is the max speed you get?
[22:01:34] <pink_vampire> it is look very consistent line
[22:02:42] <CaptHindsight> https://imagebin.ca 5-axis all linear servo
[22:03:06] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: with linear servos I can get >1m/s
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[22:04:22] <infornography> where do I get linear servos?
[22:04:45] <TurBoss> CaptHindsight: wow
[22:05:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.parkermotion.com
[22:05:19] <CaptHindsight> https://ab.rockwellautomation.com
[22:05:45] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aerotech.com
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[22:06:55] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: i'm a bit confused, so the lines you did, was on a ballscrew system or linear servos?
[22:07:16] <infornography> thanks
[22:07:56] <CaptHindsight> the pic is from a ballscrew router https://postlmg.cc
[22:09:12] <CaptHindsight> after rework https://postimg.cc
[22:10:04] <pink_vampire> look very nice router
[22:12:02] <CaptHindsight> infornography: https://www.ebay.com
[22:12:42] <CaptHindsight> https://i.ebayimg.com
[22:13:04] <CaptHindsight> 80N force, 2.5m?S
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[22:13:27] <CaptHindsight> probably 1/7th the list price
[22:13:40] <pink_vampire> how much they cost?
[22:14:23] <CaptHindsight> ^^ that one has two stages
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[22:15:14] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: >$5k and up new depending on size , power and speed, accuracy
[22:16:48] <pink_vampire> 5K each?
[22:16:55] <CaptHindsight> yes
[22:17:20] <pink_vampire> is that you "hobby" machine???
[22:17:36] <CaptHindsight> sometimes
[22:17:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.parkermotion.com
[22:18:27] <CaptHindsight> belt driven positioners up to 5m/S but lower accuracy that linear servos
[22:18:41] <CaptHindsight> that/than
[22:19:09] <pink_vampire> just insane
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[22:24:03] <infornography> https://www.zoro.com
[22:29:10] <pink_vampire> I love those https://www.walmart.com
[22:29:42] <pink_vampire> it transparent
[22:29:53] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: https://youtu.be
[22:30:53] <pink_vampire> very cool idea!!!!!!!!
[22:31:19] <pink_vampire> I dont like way covers
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[22:31:56] <skunkworks> it is sorta coppied from a matsuura
[22:32:29] <pink_vampire> I need something for my Z axis
[22:33:27] <pink_vampire> I love the M111
[22:38:51] <infornography> that video needs more views, very cool
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[22:44:00] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: did you make the way cover for the Z?
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[23:10:46] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: the bellows? no. came with it
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[23:16:57] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: m111?
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[23:18:29] <pink_vampire> skunkworks: M111 is my Done gcode that send command to my stacklight
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