#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-10-05

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[02:32:37] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[03:00:00] <Deejay> moin
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[03:32:01] <miss0r> https://www.youtube.com 1940's handscraping
[03:32:16] <miss0r> sadly, threes no sound
[03:33:10] <miss0r> oh there is.. just very low
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[04:19:02] <gloops> right, 6 months behind schedule with this, time to build a bandsaw
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[04:22:27] <Blumax> hello
[04:22:28] <Blumax> JT-Shop, I did everything you asked me
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[04:23:34] <Blumax> http://prntscr.com
[04:23:45] <Blumax> I have the small target
[04:24:46] <Blumax> dmesg : https://pastebin.com
[04:25:55] <Blumax> For dmesg, I have empty dmesg. Start LinuxCNC. Homing. Move with handwheel. Close LinuxCNC.
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[04:38:44] <gloops> error message on closing?
[04:41:01] <Blumax> no error on close
[04:47:43] <gloops> so the linuxcnc window just disappears? it doesnt detail the closing sequence
[05:03:30] <Blumax> Where can we see the detail of the closing sequence ?
[05:04:19] <gloops> its in the linuxcnc window
[05:05:01] <gloops> you will see some data roll up as it closes, if theres an error it will show there
[05:05:21] <Blumax> I close by clicking on the cross. It does not close all alone.
[05:05:58] <gloops> ahh right, i thought you meant the handwheel was forcing linuxcnc to close
[05:06:06] <Blumax> No there is no window after. Just a window asking to validate the clos
[05:06:35] <gloops> ok
[05:06:37] <Blumax> No, I just wanted to clarify that I was doing the complete procedure :)
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[05:26:16] <pingufan> Hello. I am running Ubuntu 8.04 - 32 Bit - on my CNC mill (a special realtime version for linuxcnc. I want to add x11vnc because the built-in VNC server is crap.
[05:26:37] <pingufan> How can I install x11vnc? Can somebody help me, please?
[05:28:55] <XXCoder> could you add repos for it? or just directly download and install?
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[05:30:34] <pingufan> I have absolutely no experience with Ubuntu (I usually use suse).
[05:31:20] <XXCoder> video on youtube: Make tool for wood cutting out of useless steel wheel. Banner says "these guys build fitness equipment using only primative tools and materials" and they use reasonable modern steel wheel, angle grinder and arc welder.
[05:31:24] <XXCoder> yeah just like cavemen
[05:31:34] <pingufan> At least, "apt-get update + apt-get install x11vnc" leads into "could not find packet x11vnc".
[05:32:18] <pingufan> No idea how to add repos and install any software.
[05:32:25] <Loetmichel> that may be beacuse 8.04 isnt supported any more
[05:32:39] <Loetmichel> install a more recent version
[05:33:10] <pingufan> A newer version does not support my hardware. I tried in the past.
[05:34:12] <Loetmichel> i doubt that
[05:34:20] <pingufan> Or can I get the built-in vnc operational on this old version? I get the first screen copy, but it is nut updating.
[05:34:40] <Loetmichel> <- has running his CNC on a Core2 duo and latest linuxCNC build
[05:35:28] <XXCoder> you plan to runb linuxcnc in vm? or something else?
[05:35:33] <pingufan> ThThen try it on VIA C7 CPU (1-core, 1500 MHz), with OnBoard graphics, 32 Bit. This will change your experience.
[05:36:47] <pingufan> What I want to do is seeing the desktop on my PC in my office. So I do not have to stand besides the loud machine
[05:37:22] <pingufan> Have to see the progress to go there when manual interaction will be needed.
[05:37:25] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i did the same
[05:37:25] <XXCoder> oops vnc not vm
[05:37:34] <Loetmichel> my CNC is remote controlled
[05:38:03] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com
[05:38:12] <XXCoder> man no way to do remote cnc at work lol
[05:38:19] <XXCoder> I made around 200 parts today
[05:38:24] <pingufan> My workstation is openSuSE 13.1. The mill is running this Ubuntu 8.04
[05:38:26] <XXCoder> yeah so much for remote cnc
[05:38:32] <Loetmichel> a lot less stress when you can sit at the workdesk playing Elite waiting for the CNC to finish
[05:39:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- :-)
[05:39:33] <Loetmichel> (after hours of course, misjudged how long that program would run)
[05:40:21] <pingufan> Well, I enabled remore access in this gnome. But this works lousy.
[05:40:39] <XXCoder> fun
[05:40:56] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: typical time of parts I run is in minutes
[05:41:14] <XXCoder> current record is 3 hours * 2 parts on pallet so 6 hours. but thats pretty rare
[05:41:17] <Loetmichel> here it is more like hours
[05:41:18] <pingufan> Can this be tweaked somehow?
[05:41:21] <Loetmichel> depending on the part
[05:41:29] <XXCoder> you hiring? lol
[05:41:35] <Loetmichel> had one that ran 34 hours ;)
[05:42:35] <Loetmichel> pingufan: i seriously encourage you to update to a newer version of LinuxCNC.
[05:42:50] <pingufan> As I said, it does not work!
[05:43:03] <Loetmichel> the internal not workin may well stem from some update missing or a protocol change
[05:43:13] <XXCoder> ping cant you find better 10 year old pc?
[05:43:26] <pingufan> If I remember correctly, next version was with Ubuntu 10. No chance.
[05:43:35] <XXCoder> all it really need is a ok gamer card and very cheap ram since its old
[05:43:43] <XXCoder> computer recycler center
[05:44:12] <XXCoder> my pc is 15 years old and runs linuxcnc very well
[05:44:31] <pingufan> Mine is a bit younger, but not much.
[05:45:15] <pingufan> Can I increase the update rate through VNC by configuring something on this old Ubuntu?
[05:45:23] <XXCoder> its pretty easy to upgrade, maybe even find on criaglist, ebay or local computer recycler, or yard sales
[05:45:47] <XXCoder> heck it can be free if someone has junked computer havent used for years
[05:45:51] <pingufan> Or where can I find the packages of Ubuntu 8.04 to install manually?
[05:46:50] <Loetmichel> soe archive site maybe
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[05:47:28] <Loetmichel> but VNC is implying that you have net access... do you REALLY want the machine with THAT old a system acceessible from the internet?
[05:48:03] <XXCoder> whoa! been a while.farmbot suddenly uploaded 3 videos
[05:48:24] <pingufan> I currently get one update every 10-20 seconds. Therefore I see no updating at all, because the screen changes too fast.
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[06:06:12] <jthornton> pingufan: I have instructions for keeping 10.04 up to date maybe they might work on 8.04
[06:06:56] <pingufan> Tell me more, please.
[06:07:11] <pingufan> What kind of packages does Ubuntu use at all=
[06:07:14] <pingufan> ?
[06:07:42] <jthornton> https://mesaus.com
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[06:08:05] <MarcelineVQ> if your system can support it you'd probably have a better time with ssh in X or Y mode than vnc
[06:08:37] <pingufan> Well, it supports ssh. :)
[06:08:53] <MarcelineVQ> allthough x11vnc is possibly a similar thing, dunno
[06:09:24] <pingufan> x11vnc is a vnc server hooking into x11 on very deep level.
[06:10:44] <pingufan> Can I run the LinuxCNC UI twice (a second time) through a ssh session ?
[06:11:23] <pingufan> So I have one on the desktop (gnome) and I can use a second one tunneled through SSH to my SuSE KDE desktop?
[06:11:52] <MarcelineVQ> I've used axis on a remote computer from an ssh -X session on this computer, not sure what you mean by run twice though
[06:13:03] <pingufan> When I start up the CNC mill , it boots up 8.04 and automatically starts linuxCNC on GNOME. Then I have the UI on the GNOME desktop.
[06:14:05] <pingufan> If I could launch a separate (second) UI through a SSH login, I wouldn't have to use VNC at all. Then my KDE will display the UI, too.
[06:14:46] <MarcelineVQ> hmm, I'm not really sure
[06:14:48] <pingufan> All I need is: I need to see what is going on in the mill.
[06:15:37] <pingufan> And when I hear a bad noise coming from the mill in the neighbor room, I want to be able to send a "P" for pause.
[06:16:18] <pingufan> I think about something similar to running a graphical program through ssh
[06:17:04] <MarcelineVQ> You can do that, I'm not sure about looking at one already running on the remote system, I've never tried
[06:18:29] <pingufan> The easiest way would be running a properly working vnc server on the mill. But this appears to be problematic. The included one is lousy.
[06:18:42] <pingufan> (vino-server)
[06:19:03] <Tom_L> yeah 8.04 is pretty old
[06:19:40] <Tom_L> what about backports?
[06:20:11] <MarcelineVQ> looking into it it does look like ssh -X is unsuitable for this task
[06:20:29] <pingufan> I have absolutely no experience with Ubuntu at all. I was literally forced to use it (by the ISO including linuxcnc at that time)
[06:21:09] <Tom_L> i'd consider bumping up to 10.04 at least which is also old but works
[06:21:14] <pingufan> It is my only ubuntu I ever used in my life.
[06:21:28] <Tom_L> https://launchpad.net
[06:21:33] <pingufan> I tried that. Does not run on my hardware.
[06:21:52] <Tom_L> what you need might be in the backports, i dunno
[06:23:13] <Tom_L> https://askubuntu.com
[06:24:26] <pingufan> Upgrading is absolutely not possible. :( Even Ubuntu 10 did not support this OnBoard graphics
[06:25:28] <pingufan> So the only choice is using a repository or archive where I can download the packages from.
[06:26:26] <XXCoder> my first ubuntu was brown
[06:26:43] <Loetmichel> pingufan: get a seperate graphics card
[06:26:50] <Loetmichel> its better anyways for LinuxCNC
[06:26:59] <Loetmichel> less issues with latency
[06:27:20] <pingufan> This is a MiniITX mainboard with only one PCI (not PCIe!) socket.
[06:27:37] <XXCoder> get better one
[06:27:47] <XXCoder> you probably can find better one free
[06:28:51] <pingufan> Well, it works fine (except of this remote access issue), so I see no further advantage.
[06:29:42] <pingufan> What OS is used now for LinuxCNC ?
[06:29:51] <Loetmichel> advantage would be that you can have a way better working version of LinuxCNC AND a system that has no security issues
[06:29:58] <Loetmichel> debian
[06:31:56] <pingufan> I have no problems with security. It is only accessible in my LAN.
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[06:34:33] <pingufan> But what I see more problematic is changing a running system. Every update can cause troubles.
[06:41:03] <pingufan> Anyway, so I will have to find a different way.
[06:43:07] <gloops> an old box with a 3d card isnt expensive these days pingufan, worth considering buying one for $20 and update to 2.7, rather than use a dozen hacks to keep an old version alive
[06:44:25] <pingufan> It's not the question of expensive or not. It is a question of how long can I not use my mill then, how long do I need to set up all that again, ...
[06:44:45] <XXCoder> if HAL already exists I dont think its a major work
[06:44:59] <XXCoder> you dont have to instantly throw old one away also
[06:45:06] <pingufan> It was a nightmare to smoothly embed 8.04 into my systems here. I don't really want to do that again.
[06:46:09] <pingufan> You mean I take a new PC, install a new linuxCNC, and then copy the old setup to it?
[06:46:12] <gloops> well you dont have to abandon the old one, keep it running until you get the new one set up
[06:46:26] <XXCoder> indeed what I meant gloop :)
[06:46:55] <XXCoder> ping yeah linuxcnc isnt like marlin they change settings names seemly 10 times per version
[06:47:10] <XXCoder> your configuration HAL should work just fine
[06:48:15] <pingufan> I need to use (again) a miniITX board (because of limited space). So I have (again) OnBoard graphics. But I can switch to AMD A10 (64 Bit board with ATi graphics). Drawback: No OnBoard parallel port any more!
[06:48:35] <pingufan> Will this work?
[06:48:54] <XXCoder> only one connector on board right? one PCI
[06:49:07] <Loetmichel> should, if you can get a good pcie lpt card
[06:49:07] <pingufan> Yes.
[06:49:22] <pingufan> Well, the new board would have one PCIe
[06:49:35] <Loetmichel> you could also simply get an old PCI graphics card and go that route
[06:49:40] <Loetmichel> one that is still supported
[06:49:51] <XXCoder> nearly all motherboards has inbuilt parallel anyway
[06:49:57] <Loetmichel> mach64 comes to mind
[06:50:51] <pingufan> MiniITX only has one socket. Newer boards have PCIe, oder ones have PCI. But newer have no parallel port, so this socket us used up by a PCIe parallel card.
[06:51:08] <pingufan> Nothing free for a plugin card.
[06:51:16] <pingufan> (for graphics)
[06:51:34] <XXCoder> why cant have larger board
[06:52:03] <pingufan> Because of limitations in room/space. It is built into the CNC mill.
[06:52:31] <Loetmichel> pingufan: didnt you say you have one free PCI?
[06:53:01] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i know that problem... once built a CNC for a coworker...
[06:53:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[06:53:30] <pingufan> On old board, yes. This is a 1-core, 1500MHz VIA C7 CPU with 2 GB RAM and a small CF card as "SSD"
[06:53:47] <XXCoder> heh can you cut board in half and solder wires? :)
[06:53:48] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- nearly had to use a hammer to get that CPU card in there ;)
[06:53:55] <XXCoder> 90 degree bend bmotherboard
[06:54:27] <pingufan> Sure, I can. But I am afraid it will not work afterwards. :D
[06:54:41] <XXCoder> lol bet it'd be hard, expecially if theres layers
[06:54:56] <pingufan> No. I want to stay with OnBoard graphics.
[06:55:22] <XXCoder> is there any boards with inbuilt gamer gpu?
[06:55:34] <XXCoder> closer to gaming type
[06:56:13] <pingufan> Don't know. AMD A10 is primarily for Desktop purposes. But it is relatively powerful.
[06:56:39] <pingufan> It is a soldered-on All-in-one CPU+GPU
[06:57:11] <Loetmichel> pingufan: i reccomend these: https://www.ebay.de
[06:57:22] <Loetmichel> work seriously well with LinuxCNC
[06:57:25] <pingufan> You can compare it with an Atom, but it is more powerful.
[06:57:27] <Loetmichel> tested it a few times
[06:57:34] <XXCoder> I wonder if something like raspiberry is more powerful than your board now? lol
[06:58:17] <XXCoder> too bad Nextthing company went under.
[06:58:42] <pingufan> My livingroom PC uses an VIA C7 CPU, a fully blown-up openSUSE+KDE, and smoothly(!) plays FullHD movies with 10% CPU load.
[06:58:44] <Loetmichel> pingufan: NOT the one from the link though... it has bent CPU pins
[06:59:12] <Loetmichel> but that *61 chipset is fine for LinuxCNC
[06:59:58] <pingufan> Currently I have some BIOSTAR A68N-5600 boards in stock.
[07:01:16] <Loetmichel> never tried an AMD board for linuxCNC
[07:01:19] <Loetmichel> could work
[07:01:30] <Loetmichel> but you would need a PCIe-lpt port card
[07:01:45] <Loetmichel> and one that works on LinuxCNC, too (not all do)
[07:01:53] <pingufan> I never will touch an Intel in my life any more.
[07:02:45] <pingufan> Lot of money for nothing.
[07:03:13] <Loetmichel> if you say so.. your decision. makes it hard to help you when something goes wrong though
[07:03:28] <pingufan> Is this now used debian also such stripped down one, or is it meanwhile as feature-rich as openSuSE ?
[07:03:53] <jthornton> geez putube videos suck, I've looked at 25 videos on wood turning and they all start out with a bunch of irrelevant crap
[07:04:18] <pingufan> I assume there is (again) an ISO available?
[07:05:01] <pingufan> Unpack to a small hdd/ssd and done?
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[07:07:00] <pingufan> Really, I have best experiences with AMD CPUs. I use them since AMD 486 times. And I build very strong servers, too. All with AMD.
[07:07:22] <pingufan> Doing the same with Intel would cost lots more.
[07:07:43] <pingufan> And at least openSUSE has no issues on AMD based systems. :)
[07:08:40] <Loetmichel> pingufan: as i said: your decision. just be aware that not that many here use AMD systems for LinuxCNC, so it may be a problem getting quastions answered
[07:09:24] <Loetmichel> just download the most recent live Cd, put it in your other PC and test it...
[07:09:32] <pingufan> Is thewre an IMAGE available, or do I have to install Debian and then linuxCNC ?
[07:09:36] <Loetmichel> its not bad IMHO (the debian)
[07:09:50] <XXCoder> sriracha cashews
[07:10:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[07:10:17] <pingufan> And then I can install from live CD -> HDD ?
[07:10:18] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: you like hot nuts?
[07:10:22] <Loetmichel> :-)
[07:10:25] <Loetmichel> yes
[07:10:33] <XXCoder> yep yep lol
[07:10:59] <pingufan> Is it 64 bit or 32 bit?
[07:11:52] <pingufan> Does it have GNOME or KDE ? (I prefer KDE)
[07:11:58] <Loetmichel> no idea, i would assume 64 bit because 32 bit CPUS are gone since core duo
[07:12:26] <miss0r> 'afternoon
[07:13:03] <pingufan> What desktop does it run? Gnome, KDE, ...
[07:13:50] <pingufan> BTW: Can I use any Linux with Realtime Kernel? I.e. also openSUSE Leap 15.0 ?
[07:14:22] <pingufan> Of course only of interest when installing linuxcnc is very simple.
[07:15:51] <pingufan> I will think about that in general. Have a nice weekend. Have to leave now.
[07:15:58] <XXCoder> them hot nuts is yummy
[07:16:26] <miss0r> XXCoder: Are we going into the random statement buisness?
[07:16:42] <XXCoder> miss0r: it wasnt random lol
[07:17:03] <miss0r> who is talking hot nuts? :S
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[07:17:12] <XXCoder> read up :)
[07:17:21] <miss0r> meh... cant be bothered :D
[07:17:49] <XXCoder> I understand, 100lb keyboard buttons and 200lb mouse is annoying to use ;)
[07:18:26] <miss0r> yeah... I take the mechanical keyboard trend very serious :D
[07:20:38] <XXCoder> :)
[07:21:09] <gloops> hmm, decision is whether to mount existing bandsaw frame with considerable weight on gantry, or strip wheels and adjusters and mount them on much lighter beam
[07:21:16] <gloops> time and weight thing
[07:21:17] <miss0r> trying to safe my strength for later.. Taking the misses to a serious steak house later :D
[07:23:09] <gloops> i only want to do it once so ill start stripping...
[07:24:50] <Loetmichel> miss0r: not the worst idea... should take my wife to a restaurant, too. Last time i did that must have been a decade ago or so...
[07:25:16] <XXCoder> loet poor wife of yours havent eaten whole time?? lol
[07:25:28] <miss0r> Loetmichel: Hehe. We don't get to do that very often either. Well, she insisted on going to the theater, so I said we'd need some steak first :)
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[07:25:33] <miss0r> lol
[07:26:17] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: she is a good cook... so no, we did eat a bit TOO well... judging by our combined weight ;)
[07:26:39] <XXCoder> :)
[07:27:20] <miss0r> We are somewhat set back by having a 3year old kid :) doing stuff like that needs a baby sitter.
[07:28:22] <miss0r> but as we will get our second kid this december, we figured it would be now or much later :)
[07:29:38] <Loetmichel> hihi
[07:29:43] <XXCoder> lol
[07:30:08] <XXCoder> i dont plan to have kids ever
[07:30:29] <XXCoder> im bit old to have kids anyway, at 42. sure my dad was nearly 50 when I was born but whatever
[07:30:35] <Loetmichel> "life starts when the kids are out of the house" ;)
[07:30:49] <XXCoder> mine havent started anyway so whatever lol
[07:31:09] <miss0r> Loetmichel: I hear'ya :D
[07:31:43] <Loetmichel> <- have the "luck" that my wife is overweight so a pregnancy is "not recommended" by the doc.
[07:32:02] <miss0r> Loetmichel: Just remember to sleep on your belly
[07:32:11] <Loetmichel> als by now we are both a bid old... she being 53 and me being 49
[07:32:15] <miss0r> if she is not strong enough to turn you over, you are home safe ;)
[07:32:49] <Loetmichel> miss0r: belley?
[07:32:55] <miss0r> stomach
[07:32:57] <Loetmichel> i dont get it, sorry
[07:33:06] <Loetmichel> you mean because no sex?
[07:33:25] <miss0r> if you sleep face down, and your wife cannot turn you over, you should not worrie about having kids... Its a joke :)
[07:33:44] <Loetmichel> THATs the part we have fun with... the pregnancy part is the one that would be dangerous for her
[07:35:11] <miss0r> yeah :) don't forget the fun ;)
[07:35:43] <XXCoder> I thought being overweight would help pregancy but guess not?
[07:36:10] <miss0r> To a certain point I suppose. I know it can be hard for the unhealthily skinny ones
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[07:57:49] <XXCoder> this is insane https://www.youtube.com
[07:57:55] <XXCoder> c64 outside for years.
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[08:39:33] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: no, thats pretty normal. old electronics is surprisingly robust
[08:41:29] * Loetmichel had a ZX81 mainboard with a new rom in the side cover of a house furnace for about 15 years... with occasional water (leaking pipes), heat up to 80°C and frost in the winter when the furnace didnt start for a few days
[08:41:40] <Loetmichel> worked flawlessly until the furnace died for good
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[09:31:14] <Rab> Loetmichel, can you give a few details about your remote LinuxCNC setup? Are you using VNC?
[09:31:58] <Rab> And in the video I see VLC monitoring the camera. Is that an IP camera on the machine, or something else?
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[10:09:03] <Loetmichel> Rab: i am using VNC, yes
[10:09:09] <Loetmichel> but on the lates build
[10:09:22] <Loetmichel> its an USB endoscope camera
[10:09:58] <Loetmichel> you can see it in the second part of the video as a black cylinder sticking into the vacuum foot on the mill spindle
[10:10:13] <Loetmichel> and i used VLC to encode it as a stream
[10:10:24] <Loetmichel> MJpeg IIRC
[10:10:28] <Loetmichel> because of lag
[10:10:56] <Rab> Loetmichel, thanks! Is the USB camera running on the LinuxCNC computer?
[10:14:39] <skunkworks> holy - shit..
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[10:15:25] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[10:15:35] <Loetmichel> Rab: yes
[10:16:25] <Loetmichel> i was actually surprised that the 2.8ghz core2 duo is able to do LinuxCNC AND encoding the video AND VNC without any hickups ;)
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[10:21:41] <Rab> Loetmichel, cool! I was considering the same thing but it seemed like USB cam would introduce a lot of overhead.
[10:23:32] <gregcnc> skunkworks what's going on there? remote access to winduhs
[10:25:07] <skunkworks> a virtual machine getting passed the nvidia dedicated video on this laptop.
[10:25:37] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: sounds like a plan if it can play Elite Dangerous ;)
[10:25:51] <skunkworks> so windows is running the real nvidia hardware - so the (for me) fusion doesn't complain about crappy graphics
[10:26:06] <skunkworks> yes - people use this for gaming...
[10:26:08] <Loetmichel> <- wants to switch from windows on his home machines to Linux for a while now... cant because of Games though
[10:27:04] <skunkworks> this would solve that ;)
[10:27:32] <skunkworks> I have been chasing this unicorn for a little while.
[10:37:06] <skunkworks> now see if I can get it to work on debian...
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[10:56:22] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: I didn't expect laptops with dual graphics to have an IOMMU but that makes sense.
[10:56:45] <skunkworks> FinboySlick: yes - it is a 4th gen i7
[10:57:30] <skunkworks> Now - if it will run linuxcnc over ethernet... I might have the golden goose
[10:57:31] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: This is likely to only work with an external monitor though.
[10:58:01] <skunkworks> No - the image is remoting into the vm with nothing attachced
[10:59:21] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Hmm... So RDP to a vm that has the GPU passed through hardware?
[10:59:23] <skunkworks> I have not tried to see if I can connect an external monitor to display the nvidia card.. that would be nice
[10:59:33] <skunkworks> FinboySlick: yes
[11:00:02] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: It's a typical setup. the intel card is connected to the built-in monitor and the external display port/hdmi is connected to the dedicated graphics.
[11:00:08] <skunkworks> it is pretty amazing - I was spinning around a pretty complicate fusion 360 model
[11:00:35] <skunkworks> FinboySlick: sure - but sometimes laptops have odd switching electronics..
[11:01:04] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Yeah. I fumbled around with optimus a bit on my T520
[11:01:15] <skunkworks> on a normal pc hardware - yes - you would have a dedicated hot video card you pass through to the vm that has its own video ports
[11:01:43] <skunkworks> it might work on this laptop - just not what I was really needing
[11:02:05] <skunkworks> I wanted a laptop that I could run windows/cad through a vm
[11:03:08] <FinboySlick> With the advances in 3D graphics, most CAD packages are way overdue for a rewrite. It'd be nice if they actually did portable code for once.
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[12:03:23] <fragalot> Hey-o
[12:03:32] <fragalot> miss0r: picking up that drill press tomorrow
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[13:25:11] <JesusAlos> Hi
[13:28:47] <gloops> evening
[13:40:06] <Tom_L> afternoon
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[14:25:41] <gloops> this is the end for the car https://twitter.com
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[14:40:24] <skunkworks> wow - this laptop might be my perfect computer.
[14:40:47] <skunkworks> it seems to run realtime (rt_preemt) and the ethernet seesm to play well.
[14:40:48] <skunkworks> sof ar
[14:40:50] <skunkworks> so far
[14:41:17] <skunkworks> Now I need to get the vm working on debian (I got it working on ubuntu(
[14:42:49] <CaptHindsight> AMD laptop? :)
[14:43:38] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: which NIC does it use?
[14:46:46] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: no - msi intel
[14:47:06] <skunkworks> it uses a qualcomm... First time I have run into them
[14:47:12] <skunkworks> so odd stuff ;)
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[15:26:26] <andypugh> Anyone here speak Russian?
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[15:27:34] <andypugh> I have exactly the same problem with my welder as this guy: http://websvarka.ru
[15:28:00] <andypugh> And Google Translate is vaguely hep=lpful, except in telling me whether the chip swap he did actually worked.
[15:33:14] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: I have a similar/same one (different color and name on enclosure)
[15:33:41] <CaptHindsight> mine works if you want to try and debug
[15:33:42] <andypugh> Yes, mine is actually Green and branded “Rehman”
[15:34:30] <CaptHindsight> yellow and wsme200
[15:34:34] <andypugh> I am at the same point as the guy on the forum post, and I am also thinking about just replacing the switcher chip.
[15:34:57] <andypugh> But it is probably easier just to graft in a little eBay buck converter,,,,
[15:35:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[15:35:48] <andypugh> The board must be pretty old-xhool to have that many components/
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[15:36:06] <CaptHindsight> new boards were all over ebay
[15:36:20] <andypugh> It is full of anlogue switches, shift registers, op-amps…
[15:38:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[15:38:28] <andypugh> I would prefer to fix this one.
[15:38:49] <andypugh> I have weleded with it by using a lab PSU into the potetiometer inputs....
[15:38:54] <CaptHindsight> maybe we have different boards
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[15:40:21] <andypugh> I have _exactly_ that board from the posts.
[15:40:34] <andypugh> (In fact I found that with a Google images search)
[15:44:35] <CaptHindsight> whats easier for you, swap the switcher or?
[15:45:44] <andypugh> Well, it broke once already....
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[16:56:38] <andypugh> Interesting bit of mech design today
[16:57:08] <andypugh> When I am hobbing gears I need to swing my milling table by a small amount, with some accuracy.
[16:57:47] <andypugh> I decided it would be nice to set up a micrometer head for the job, and arrange it so that 1mm = 1 degree.
[16:58:46] <andypugh> You can see the swinging arrangement here: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[16:59:56] <andypugh> 57.296 mm from the pivot gives that scalong for small angles.
[17:00:14] <gregcnc> looks like Y servo?
[17:00:44] <andypugh> Yeah, you need to look above there, where the swinging X bolts on to the Y carriage.
[17:00:58] <andypugh> (The adjuster isn’t there yet)
[17:01:11] <gregcnc> no wonder i can't see it
[17:01:43] <andypugh> At larger angles the small-angle approximation is no longer true, so some sort of “thing” is needed to correct it.
[17:02:36] <andypugh> I couldn’t figure out what the shape needed to be, so I just drew lots of angles in CAD as the micrometer swung away, and joined the dots.
[17:05:21] <XXCoder> lol guy orders $10 fan and gets $100 cooling system. that does not fit. is it a win or loss? https://twitter.com
[17:05:34] <andypugh> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[17:06:34] <andypugh> It looked too simple, so I modelled the whole thing and checked it out as a CAD assembly with constraints.Wrorks perfectly.
[17:06:34] <gregcnc> ah, so the contact point is corrected
[17:06:50] <andypugh> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[17:07:33] <andypugh> I really don’t know if I would evet have managed to work out that shape with maths.
[17:08:28] <andypugh> (And the actual shape varies with how far back from the surface the pivot point is, so I need to measure that accurately.
[17:11:15] <gregcnc> I'd probably use the same method. It is geometry, but defining the curve isn't isn't easy.
[17:12:25] <andypugh> It took me a few goes. it was only when I changed mental coordinate systems and strated to move the micrometer head rather than the table that it came together in my head.
[17:18:12] <gregcnc> you use a horizontal mill for gears now and this is why the table is angled?
[17:18:44] <andypugh> Yes
[17:19:02] <gregcnc> It's also possible to program the equivalent with some Y feed?
[17:19:32] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com
[17:20:22] <andypugh> Yes, but with Y-feed you also need to angle the 4th axis and the work on the table.
[17:22:04] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:22:45] <gregcnc> oh, the cutter must be angled to the gear axis
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[17:23:59] <andypugh> Yes, to allow for the helix angle of the hob
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[17:24:42] <diverdude> Hi, anybody knows what the expected behaviour of accelstepper is if i ask my motor to move to X, call run() continuously - and before it has reached its end destination i ask it to move to Y and keep calling run() continuously?
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[17:27:49] <andypugh> Calling run() how and where and what?
[17:28:19] <diverdude> andypugh: in loop()
[17:28:33] <andypugh> (To be honest as I don’t understand the question I might not have an answer)
[17:29:11] <andypugh> Let us start at the beginning. What do you mean by “accelstepper” ?
[17:30:26] <andypugh> (are you possibly talking about robot gerbils? …. I mean GRBL?
[17:31:48] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com pretty cool
[17:32:05] * jthornton gives up trying to make a bootable usb with rufus
[17:32:18] <diverdude> andypugh: i am talking about the library accelstepper for arduino
[17:33:27] <andypugh> XXCoder: One of these, I assume: https://www.youtube.com
[17:33:45] <XXCoder> interesting. I kinda wondered
[17:34:15] <andypugh> Brilliant machines, if you don’t need to make money
[17:34:53] <andypugh> diverdude: Ah, well, you are vaguely in the wrong place, this is LinuxCNC.
[17:35:16] <andypugh> But I would _expect_ it to be OK to continually move the end-point
[17:36:04] <andypugh> XXCoder: Those side-uprights on that planer are immense!
[17:36:06] <CaptHindsight> for some cuts shaving is quicker
[17:36:09] <XXCoder> too expensive a machine for parts it makes?
[17:36:17] <CaptHindsight> lots of machine to have around just in case
[17:36:44] <CaptHindsight> what application would be a full time job for a shaver vs mill?
[17:37:07] <andypugh> XXCoder: It’s a funny quote, possibly from “This Old Tony”, possibly from someone else “You can make anything with a Shaper except a profit”
[17:37:17] <CaptHindsight> linear bearing roughing?
[17:37:20] <XXCoder> LOL thats funny
[17:37:24] <andypugh> And that is even more true of a planer.
[17:38:05] <andypugh> A huge plaber is _the_ tool to sort out a lathe bed.
[17:38:12] <CaptHindsight> rails of some sort
[17:38:27] <CaptHindsight> elevator tracks
[17:39:49] <diverdude> andypugh: what if forexample i give the motor (via accelstepper) a new destination in opposite direction of what it is currently moving in would it change direction immedietly? would it slow down, halt and go back...will it complete its move and then go back...difficult to say
[17:40:44] <andypugh> I think it would slow (within accel limits) to a stop, then accelerate in the other direction.
[17:41:02] <andypugh> (This is certainly what the LinuxCNC step-generator would do)
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[17:43:10] <diverdude> andypugh: ok thats interesting
[17:43:38] <andypugh> Of course, the easy way to find out is to experiment.
[17:44:19] <diverdude> so linuxcnc would not finish its current move - it would as fast as possible start working on the new task
[17:44:39] <diverdude> agreed...i am just not connected to my machine here :(
[17:44:44] <andypugh> The _step_generator_ would if you changed the commanded endpoint.
[17:46:11] <andypugh> That’s not what the trajectory planner would do, or every G-code file would become a straight move from beginning to end…
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[18:44:57] <jthornton> hmm I've installed dual boot but didn't see an option to boot to windblows...
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[18:52:43] <XXCoder> LOL https://imgur.com
[18:56:42] <infornography> merry weekend
[18:56:52] <infornography> hohoho
[18:58:27] <jthornton> hey from Murray Ky
[18:59:07] <infornography> hey
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[18:59:48] <XXCoder> hey
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[20:10:57] <skunkworks> https://youtu.be
[20:13:28] <Tom_L> but why?
[20:15:12] <skunkworks> ;)... mainly because want a laptop that i can run windows and also linuxcnc
[20:15:41] <CaptHindsight> just wait until we have the plots in high res with shading
[20:17:15] <CaptHindsight> QEMU sure has come a long way since the 90's
[20:20:32] <XXCoder> lotremember ping guy with pc issues? wonder if this would work https://www.amazon.com
[20:20:40] <XXCoder> what a tiny pc
[20:23:28] <CaptHindsight> always pricey since they are made in low volume
[20:24:00] <CaptHindsight> back in the late 90's there were some STPC boards that size for ~$50
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[20:31:27] <robotustra> evening
[20:31:38] <Tom_L> andypugh i bet robotustra could help
[20:31:50] <Tom_L> robotustra you speak russian right?
[20:31:53] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: ya guy had issue, he cant use larger boards than mini ones which have only one pci slot
[20:31:55] <robotustra> yes
[20:31:56] <andypugh> With the robot gerbils?
[20:32:08] <andypugh> Ah, with that :-)
[20:32:14] <Tom_L> yeah
[20:32:53] <Tom_L> unless you got it already
[20:33:46] <andypugh> I proved that a small DC-DC converter (£1.86) was a solution, and I can jusy ignore the not-working bits of the original circuit
[20:34:18] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: was that what the AMD discussion was about earlier?
[20:34:48] <XXCoder> ping wanted vnc to work on his old pc which only runs ubuntu 8
[20:34:53] <andypugh> XXCoder: I was spammed by Mini-ITX today, they have the last 200 D2550HN coming in. (fanless dual-core Atom, Mini-ITX, 1 x PCI + Parport
[20:34:58] <XXCoder> we suggested him to upgrade
[20:35:56] <andypugh> https://www.mini-itx.com
[20:36:27] <XXCoder> inbuilt video card and parallel I see
[20:36:42] <robotustra> I finally managed to add opengl widget into my gui https://imgur.com
[20:37:01] <andypugh> Yes. The email seemed to hint that they knew they had dedicated users for niche applications.
[20:37:17] <XXCoder> that guy might want this one
[20:37:30] <infoproxy> I can't buy?
[20:37:41] <XXCoder> dont see any price for it tho
[20:37:55] <infoproxy> *click click click * take my money
[20:38:07] <Tom_L> ... long lead time
[20:38:23] <andypugh> infoproxy: “Please register your interest by replying to this email or clicking through the link below.
[20:38:23] <andypugh> “ store@mini-itx.com
[20:38:46] <andypugh> “Calling all our long-term D2550HN project customers!
[20:38:47] <andypugh> We have secured a final batch of D2550HN motherboards. It is extremely unlikely we will be able to source more units after this purchase as the processor used is discontinued. This is your opportunity to purchase.
[20:38:48] <andypugh> The small print: Customer orders to be made in units of 5. Priority will be given to customers on a first come, first served basis. Limited to 200 units total. Estimated delivery date: Mid November.”
[20:39:11] <infoproxy> *hands his money to andypugh*
[20:39:12] <XXCoder> doubt want buy 5 of em lol
[20:39:21] <robotustra> what is D2550HN motherboard?
[20:39:52] <andypugh> It’s just a Mini-ITX with parport and PCI.
[20:40:20] <andypugh> It’s not high on my list, I prefer the ones with a 12V power jack
[20:40:26] <robotustra> old ones?
[20:40:26] <Tom_L> you would need to run RTAI on it wouldn't you?
[20:40:37] <andypugh> I would expect so.
[20:40:59] <Tom_L> their pico psu is rock solid though
[20:41:36] <Tom_L> then you've got your 12v
[20:41:48] <andypugh> Mini-ITX have a nice board finder. You can specify (for example) 12V power and full-size PCI. https://www.mini-itx.com
[20:42:40] <andypugh> (Though that combionation bives zero hits)
[20:42:53] <andypugh> Parport + 12V gives you https://www.mini-itx.com
[20:43:23] <Tom_L> https://www.mini-itx.com
[20:43:33] <Tom_L> i'd go that route on one personally
[20:43:49] <Tom_L> dam cut n paste...
[20:44:03] <Tom_L> https://www.mini-itx.com
[20:44:16] <robotustra> cool boards
[20:44:23] <robotustra> what cpu is there?
[20:44:33] <robotustra> 486?
[20:44:53] <robotustra> whaaaaaaat
[20:44:59] <robotustra> quad core?
[20:45:23] <robotustra> celeron...... :\
[20:46:40] <Tom_L> was the cedar trail one step up from the bay trail?
[20:47:47] <Tom_L> bay trail was 4 core too
[20:47:58] <Tom_L> 2Ghz
[20:48:45] <XXCoder> 8086 2 ghz ;)
[20:49:05] <Tom_L> with dos would be awesome
[20:49:34] <robotustra> dos is not muticore OS
[20:49:42] <Tom_L> i know
[20:49:52] <Tom_L> but it doesn't need them
[20:49:52] <robotustra> not even protected mode
[20:49:54] <andypugh> Night all
[20:49:58] <Tom_L> later andy
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[20:50:31] <robotustra> england went to bed
[20:50:59] <robotustra> quebec will go soon
[20:51:40] <robotustra> what's new about fancy gui which was made in blender?
[20:51:57] <robotustra> for linuxcnc 2.8?
[20:53:00] <infoproxy> I run DOS in 3D VR
[20:54:11] <infoproxy> It feels like you could reach out and touch the text
[20:55:28] <robotustra> Tom_L, do you follow that gui?
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[21:01:03] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[21:07:45] <CaptHindsight> I'm not really crazy about the feeling of wax on my legs
[21:08:37] <XXCoder> long john
[21:08:55] <CaptHindsight> too many layers
[21:09:07] <XXCoder> layers all way down
[21:09:24] <CaptHindsight> I start to feel like a strudel
[21:10:03] <CaptHindsight> I use Thompson water seal on outwear
[21:10:13] <CaptHindsight> and/or PTFE spray
[21:21:25] <CaptHindsight> just check the SDS, Thompson just uses mineral spirits as a vehicle for paraffins
[21:22:21] <CaptHindsight> https://igiwax.com
[21:23:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sonneborn.com
[21:24:15] <CaptHindsight> https://blendedwaxes.com
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