#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-10-09
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[00:01:36] <pink_vampire> I hoped I help you some how :)
[00:02:24] <veek> yep +I can google home improvement and check reviews
[00:03:09] <pink_vampire> I have the book, there is one page about pipe types
[00:05:06] <veek> urmm like exactly 1 page?
[00:05:17] <pink_vampire> yeah
[00:05:23] * veek sheds a tear
[00:05:57] <veek> hear I was thinking I'd be imbibing knowledge from some fountain..
[00:06:24] <veek> anyway let me review some of those types of books - see what's in emm
[00:07:16] <pink_vampire> I think by code you can't connect large gas equipment without a technician
[00:08:31] <pink_vampire> veek: https://www2.iccsafe.org
[00:08:47] <pink_vampire> much much much more info then the book
[00:08:52] <veek> ah yes.. building code.. hmm.. I was thinking of buying a small can and filling it with small amounts from a big cylinder and working with that
[00:09:25] <pink_vampire> just get a small can...
[00:09:54] <pink_vampire> what do you want to power with that?
[00:10:12] <veek> ah umm just a small furnace/firebrick thingy
[00:10:41] <veek> now that I have some idea about plumbing and nuts and bolts
[00:11:05] <veek> I am reading Ettinger - awesome book
[00:11:24] <pink_vampire> https://www.build.com
[00:12:26] <veek> but i don't want to throw money at my ignorance.. i'd like to read a bit about how it all works
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[01:25:38] <veek> is there a inch to mm chart I can use.. 1/16 -> mm etc NOT 0.0001
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[04:20:37] <Blumax> JT-Shop, tank you, sorry, I just come from your answer
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[04:49:11] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[06:11:14] <jthornton> morning
[06:13:01] <Tom_L> morning
[06:13:53] <Tom_L> 63°F Hi 69 and more rain on the way
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[06:16:37] <XXCoder> yo
[06:16:44] <XXCoder> so much watetr here
[06:16:51] <XXCoder> rain all night lol
[06:17:34] <jthornton> 72°F here quite warm
[06:20:04] <Tom_L> looks like rain the next several days here
[06:20:14] <Tom_L> they were just a few days late on their prediction
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[09:03:22] <skunkworks> damp here too
[09:03:34] <skunkworks> been raining for a few days
[09:03:34] <pink_vampire> hi skunkworks
[09:03:40] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: Hi
[09:04:00] <pink_vampire> did you saw what i did with my mill?
[09:04:13] <skunkworks> no - what?
[09:04:16] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
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[09:05:03] <skunkworks> pink_vampire: very cool - spindle as a rotory axis?
[09:05:17] <pink_vampire> yes, it is set as C axis
[09:06:02] <pink_vampire> I wish it will also worked as a spindle
[09:06:53] <pink_vampire> https://imgur.com
[09:08:18] <jdh> nice work.
[09:09:39] <pink_vampire> one day.. it will also become a spindle..
[09:10:33] <pink_vampire> it is also my "start to finish, first functional part" on the lathe
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[09:14:33] <gregcnc> pink so that tapping isn't G33.1?
[09:17:13] <pink_vampire> no, it is g1 c z commands
[09:18:00] <gregcnc> Why did you choose to set it up as C? what else will you use C for?
[09:18:33] <pink_vampire> C axis is the "rotational Z axis"
[09:18:44] <gregcnc> that's not the question
[09:19:46] <pink_vampire> you can only set it as C axis or spindle
[09:20:03] <pink_vampire> and i have no idea how to set it as a spindle
[09:20:18] <pink_vampire> so i did C axis http://www.cnc4everyone.com
[09:20:56] <gregcnc> is this because you're using the G320?
[09:21:07] <pink_vampire> no
[09:21:55] <gregcnc> all you need to rigid tap is an encoder on the spindle
[09:22:04] <pink_vampire> the G320x is just a driver that get step/dir signals, i just don't know how to set a step / dir spindle in linux cnc
[09:22:23] <gregcnc> what else are you doing with the spindle that requires and actual rotary axis?
[09:23:06] <pink_vampire> I can put my HF spindle on my X axis, and use the C axis as indexer
[09:23:32] <pink_vampire> I can also tilt the head of the machine
[09:24:30] <pink_vampire> so it can work as 5 axis machine in 4+1 configuration
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[09:26:00] <gregcnc> OK the hard part of doing that seems to be adding the function of switching between spindle and rotary with the same drive
[09:26:14] <pink_vampire> yeah
[09:26:31] <pink_vampire> lets say i just want a spindle
[09:26:46] <pink_vampire> how do i set step/dir spindle?
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[09:29:32] <beachbumpete1_> Morning linuxCNC
[09:29:56] <gregcnc> was mentioned setting stepgen to velocity mode
[09:30:08] <gregcnc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[09:30:33] <gregcnc> I'd start from the last page as that thread begins ages ago
[09:35:26] <pcw_home> For a parallel port system you could have 2 stepgens (on in position and the other in velocity mode) and just mux the step/dir pins
[09:35:46] <pcw_home> _one_ in position
[09:36:22] <pcw_home> you would need to home the C axis when changing back to C axis mode
[09:36:30] <pink_vampire> the G320x just die!!!!!!!
[09:36:33] <pink_vampire> WTF!
[09:37:20] <beachbumpete1_> I did not have too much luck with G320 Gecko drives but I was a noob at the time ;)
[09:37:56] <gregcnc> some of my g320 have been running since 2006?
[09:38:10] <gregcnc> but two lost voltage regulators
[09:39:00] <pcw_home> a G320 driving a lathe spindle would need brake circuit or it would have 1 foot on a banana peel
[09:39:40] <gregcnc> voltage shunt
[09:39:57] <gregcnc> makes sense
[09:41:09] <pink_vampire> it is new g320x that i had, and it was on the c axis, so basically 0 load 99% of the time
[09:41:30] <gregcnc> not abotu load
[09:42:16] <pink_vampire> it also worked fine last night
[09:42:20] <gregcnc> what is your supplied voltage?
[09:43:42] <pink_vampire> 72V
[09:43:48] <pink_vampire> it get power
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[09:44:45] <pink_vampire> no leds
[09:44:49] <pink_vampire> just dead
[09:45:09] <gregcnc> were you running it when it died?
[09:45:19] <pink_vampire> nothing
[09:45:46] <pink_vampire> this is why it is so bizarre
[09:46:28] <pink_vampire> I just turn on the machine and i see that I can't home the c axis, so i looked at the drive and i see it is dead
[09:47:44] <gregcnc> hmm
[09:48:54] <gloops> not a problem, the configs were backed up ..of course
[09:55:19] <pink_vampire> gloops: what do you mean?
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[10:02:36] <gloops> pink_vampire hard drive has died? at least you can just stick another drive in, install linuxcnc and load your old configs - away you go again
[10:02:43] <pink_vampire> no
[10:02:54] <pink_vampire> the servo motor driver
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[10:07:29] <gloops> oh..
[10:08:11] <gloops> could be loose wire, ground or something?
[10:11:33] <pink_vampire> no
[10:12:01] <pink_vampire> it is just charge the capacitor in the driver and no more
[10:17:42] <pcw_home> do you have a brake circuit?
[10:18:08] <pink_vampire> yes, but it was 0 load
[10:18:18] <pink_vampire> it is a spindle...
[10:18:57] <pcw_home> Lathe spindle + no brake + position mode servo drive = dead drive
[10:19:56] <pcw_home> it could be a random failure but you _really_ need a brake circuit driving a spindle
[10:20:09] <pink_vampire> i thought you mean circuit breaker
[10:21:16] <pcw_home> the problem comes when decelerating (the bus voltage gets pumped up to enough to damage the drive)
[10:22:12] <Rab> pink_vampire, a power resistor or some other means of absorbing energy generated by the motor as it slows.
[10:22:37] <pink_vampire> where do i need to connect them?
[10:22:55] <pcw_home> that is, the stored energy on the spindle (which may be quite large with a large chuck) get dumped back into the power supply raising the voltage
[10:25:39] <Rab> pink_vampire, not sure how to do that for the G320.
[10:26:21] <pcw_home> I think the most common way is a clamp circuit on the power supply
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[10:27:05] <pink_vampire> what is "a clamp circuit"??
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[10:29:40] <rmu> pink_vampire: search ebay for "brake chopper"
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[10:30:44] <pink_vampire> https://www.ebay.com
[10:30:48] <pink_vampire> that????
[10:30:53] <rmu> basically, it is a circuit that assures that voltage over you dc-link capacitors doesn't exceed a certain value
[10:32:35] <rmu> pink_vampire: more something like that https://www.ebay.com
[10:32:49] <rmu> pink_vampire: you need to get one with appropriate voltage and power
[10:33:23] <gregcnc> 72V in a 80V drive add braking regen --> kablooey
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[10:34:18] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: what do you mean?
[10:35:02] <gregcnc> meaning your supply voltage was already very close to max, so it doesn't take much to blow the drive when it brakes the motor
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[10:35:59] <gregcnc> https://www.a-m-c.com
[10:36:35] <pink_vampire> this is from the manual "If the G320X enters a FAULT condition it will dynamically brake the motor. This means if a FAUL T occurs while the motor is moving the motor will very rapidly decelerate to a stop."
[10:37:15] <gregcnc> so
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[10:38:18] <gregcnc> https://www.ebay.com
[10:38:25] <rmu> pcw_home: could something like a diode parallel to some power resistors between power supply and drive work?
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[10:42:15] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: Clamping Voltage (VDC) 380
[10:42:40] <pink_vampire> what clamping voltage do i need??
[10:43:30] <gregcnc> dang I must be blind i thought it was 80V
[10:43:51] <gregcnc> http://servosystems.com
[10:44:08] <pink_vampire> my power supply is 70V~
[10:44:43] <gregcnc> https://www.a-m-c.com
[10:44:46] <rmu> pink_vampire: you need a little bit under max voltage the gecko can tolerate
[10:45:10] <pink_vampire> and more then the power supply?
[10:45:31] <pink_vampire> the gecko can go up to 80V
[10:45:52] <pink_vampire> the power supply is 72V
[10:46:11] <rmu> more than power supply
[10:47:13] <pink_vampire> i see the one for 70 and the one for 80
[10:47:26] <pink_vampire> 80 is the max of the g320x
[10:47:35] <pink_vampire> it will do any good?
[10:48:02] <Blumax> gloops, I believe that to inhibit an endstop (in my case), you have to modify the file hal whereas before 2.8 only the fileini.
[10:48:03] <Blumax> http://linuxcnc.org
[10:49:33] <rmu> pink_vampire: clamping voltage 80 should be OK, the gecko is not immediately destroyed when voltage goes (slightly) over 80V
[10:50:04] <pink_vampire> if i will take the 70?
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[10:50:16] <pink_vampire> i will be on the safe side?
[10:50:22] <gregcnc> the the shunt will be shunting all the time
[10:50:35] <rmu> pink_vampire: clamping voltage 70 would mean that you power supply and the shunt regulator fight each other: the power supply will try to keep voltage at 72V, the shunt regulator will try to force it down to 70V
[10:50:50] <gregcnc> basically the shunt will burn up
[10:51:10] <rmu> so power supply will go into short circuit, some fuse will blow, or something will burn
[10:51:50] <gregcnc> those shunts are fused, but I'm not sure for what condition
[10:52:31] <rmu> that could be dangerous... fuse of shunt blows -> everything else dies
[10:53:04] <gregcnc> right, I'm not sure what exactly it does
[10:53:07] <rmu> i think a power-zener-diode should also work
[10:53:44] <rmu> "power zener" usually is some kind of zener + BJTs circuit
[10:56:59] <pink_vampire> the actual voltage of the power supply is 71V
[10:57:30] <pink_vampire> is there a way to drop the voltage to 65V?
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[10:57:34] <rmu> something like 1N3337A
[10:59:02] <jdh> is there a pot on the PS?
[10:59:47] <pink_vampire> no it is a toroidal transformer
[11:00:04] <gregcnc> does it have ±taps?
[11:00:26] <pink_vampire> no,
[11:00:36] <pink_vampire> nothing you can set
[11:01:26] <gregcnc> often transformers have ±5% taps, if it doesn't nothing you can do
[11:02:15] <pink_vampire> but there is a way to waste those 5V. so it will drop to 65V?
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[11:54:51] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* its hig time that i trash/sell the BMW convertible... its roadworthy check expires this month, its engine loses oil, the airbag and ABS lamps are permanently on, its suspension isnt legal, and now i drove about 1 mile until i saw the "ebrake" light in the dash still on... not noticeable in acceleration at all... those brake pads are done... still no idea what to get next though...
[11:56:09] <gregcnc> whatever it is, make sure it has lots of problems like the last few cars you've talked about
[11:56:18] <gloops> cant get through MOT here with any warning lights on
[11:57:12] <gloops> ABS probably a sensor, nothing, airbag - another sensor but completely different story to locate
[11:58:07] <Loetmichel> gloops: airbags: the seats. the previous owner of the seats thought it funny to cut the plugs for the belt tightening explosives off
[11:58:35] <gregcnc> ugh, what about an sd card would make a reader not like it? works fine in a camera
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[11:58:45] <Loetmichel> abs: servo pump shows an error in the ECU... could be either the pump itself or the wiring
[11:59:15] <gloops> sounds like a load of hassle
[11:59:35] <gregcnc> my e36 needs an oil change and struts
[12:00:00] <gloops> i had an airbag light on on an old peugeot, cheap fix parts wise - but then strip out half the interior and locate the sensor
[12:00:12] <Loetmichel> but its just not worth it. a new suspension thats "eintragbar" (in germany you have to have any aftermarket parts written into the cars papers) is a few 100 eur at least, all the other fauls are manageable, too, but a similar convertible in a better shape is just eur1200 or so... so its not worth it.
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[12:07:21] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: https://www.geckodrive.com
[12:08:26] <gregcnc> that's one option
[12:09:28] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: do you think it can solved the problem?
[12:09:58] <gregcnc> is that not what gecko say it's for?
[12:11:10] <pink_vampire> yeah, but i'm asking your professional advice as a pro in that filed.
[12:13:39] <gregcnc> not a pro, i know some stuff that's all
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[12:26:42] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: do you know how meany watts I need for the 1k resistors?
[12:27:24] <pink_vampire> for the 33 ohm i see 10W resistor
[12:30:47] <gregcnc> someone probably knows better than I, but as 1k are for sensing they can be small. 10W is dependent on actual energy dissipation
[12:31:16] <pink_vampire> so 1k 1/8W will be ok?
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[13:04:42] <CaptHindsight> https://reprap.org
[13:05:16] <CaptHindsight> Question: Where does one obtain precision drawer slides?
[13:07:44] <gloops> tumble dryer
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[13:12:39] <methods_> geez that's so easy
[13:12:47] <methods_> at the precision drawer slide store
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[13:13:56] <CaptHindsight> methods_: damn and i wasted a day at Bed Bath and Beyond
[13:14:12] <methods_> yep
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[13:14:38] <methods_> they didn't have the precision slide section there lol
[13:15:11] <methods_> right next to the precision weight bedding :P
[13:16:19] <gloops> dont think kitchen drawer, think tight fitting click into place drawer
[13:16:28] <CaptHindsight> I did consider re-purposing a file cabinet but
[13:16:52] <CaptHindsight> the drawers are one on top of another vs side by side
[13:18:14] <methods_> what price range?
[13:18:38] <CaptHindsight> we filled the top drawer with sand to test but aqs soon as we tipped the cabinet 90 deg the sand came out the top
[13:19:10] <methods_> https://us.misumi-ec.com
[13:19:22] <methods_> i've used those in heavy applications
[13:19:39] <methods_> in an acid pump rebuild table
[13:19:51] <methods_> let me see if i can find the exact ones i used
[13:19:51] <CaptHindsight> price was more than an electric can opener but less than 500 count queen size sheets
[13:20:00] <methods_> oh
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[13:20:10] <methods_> you probably don't want the ones i listed then lol
[13:20:29] <methods_> i think they were kinda spendy
[13:20:47] <CaptHindsight> I remember the prices of things based on how it might be used on a game show
[13:22:06] <CaptHindsight> Assembly Show near Chicago next week, lotsa bots
[13:22:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.theassemblyshow.com
[13:27:51] <skunkworks> yah - in love with this laptop...
[13:28:08] <skunkworks> battery life could be longer - but I can deal
[13:30:45] <skunkworks> The speakers sucked on the lenovo w530... this one has some name brand sound - which seems pretty decent
[13:32:31] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: So, CAD vm, LinuxCNC controller, and now jukebox? You keep that up and it'll unionize on you.
[13:34:06] <skunkworks> :) usually some randon youtube playing in the background
[13:34:31] <skunkworks> thunderbird transfered.. Need to get the XP vm transfered and that would almost do it.
[13:35:03] <skunkworks> even got a bluetooth mouse pared.. (I hate click pads..)
[13:37:24] <CaptHindsight> methods_: https://hackaday.io
[13:38:29] <CaptHindsight> looks like they went all out and used t-slot with FDM printed components
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[13:45:00] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com there's certainly motion
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[17:42:02] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:39:24] <CaptHindsight> is proper machine frame construction really becoming a lost art? https://youtu.be
[18:44:33] <phaxx> rigid enough to do the job, I guess.
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[18:49:03] <CaptHindsight> mounted on wheels it becomes self propelled
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[22:26:41] <jdh> wish I would have hooked up the spindle speed control years ago. would have saved quite a few end mills
[22:28:06] <Tom_L> :)
[22:28:21] <Tom_L> it's great having that control
[22:28:32] <jdh> need a relay for the spindle coolant now.
[22:28:37] <Tom_L> i remember my sherline before i had pid on the motor
[22:29:28] <jdh> my mill has always had spindle control and my previous router was on/off. Keep forgetting to turn this one one.
[22:33:03] <skunkworks> i seem to just consistantly forget the m3
[22:35:51] <Tom_L> makes a good punch
[22:45:36] <skunkworks> i usually sneak into the part. usually catch it
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[22:46:34] <Tom_L> i've noticed sometimes mine isn't quite up to speed on the way down to the material
[22:46:56] <Tom_L> i could swap the spindle command around in the post and see if that helps any
[22:54:41] <ziper> _unreal_, do you use an air file when fairing
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[23:08:36] <skunkworks> do you have an 'at speed' signal?
[23:13:30] <Tom_L> i'd have to look, it's been a while but i think i do
[23:14:26] <Tom_L> i know i had to use a 'near' component to get it stable
[23:19:39] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[23:25:33] <Tom_L> around line 495ish
[23:25:33] <Tom_L> i'm currently not using the spindle reverse part although it's still in the code
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[23:53:35] <Tom_L> i could simply add a G4 right after the S command
[23:56:23] <Tom_L> meh, i'll just move where the spindle comes on
[23:59:54] <Tom_L> yeah that looks better, i'll try it soon