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[03:01:26] <gloops> quiet
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[03:18:53] <gloops> hi veek, any progress with your projects yet?
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[04:16:01] <gloops> https://www.ebay.co.uk
[04:16:35] <XXCoder> rust monster
[04:16:53] <XXCoder> its clearly been outside for so long. though probably can fix and make work
[04:17:46] <gloops> not be much wrong with that, definitely in real lathe territory there
[04:18:47] <gloops> everything is usually cased in grease and oil, being outside a while doesnt hurt anything
[04:19:09] <XXCoder> it has rust stains everywhere unfortunately
[04:19:18] <XXCoder> probably was covered with tarp
[04:20:29] <gloops> the ways are still shiny, i doubt its been out in the weather much
[04:21:03] <XXCoder> ehh dont seem that shiny https://i.ebayimg.com
[04:21:24] <gloops> Lathe is used daily and in good working order
[04:21:42] <gloops> screw cutting box is shot by the sound of it, probably a part missing
[04:22:15] <gloops> not even approaching scrap iron value, the toolpost is worth ÂŁ100
[04:22:45] <XXCoder> you got it?
[04:23:54] <gloops> no its a good drive from me, maybe archivist region
[04:24:19] <gloops> it wont go for that anyway, id be tempted if it stuck around that price - for nothing basically
[04:24:24] <XXCoder> oh about him,have he contacted someone lately?
[04:24:38] <gloops> not heard anything else about him
[04:25:12] <gloops> i thought he had me on ignore because i kept posting links for machines lol
[04:26:32] <gloops> i dunno, he seemed to be on with some kind of project before he went, he was quiet for a few weeks, asked about various small things, disc sander and stuff, like he was getting ready to launch some business idea
[04:26:51] <XXCoder> businessowner is one of most busy jobs there is
[04:27:10] <XXCoder> expecially if small company
[04:27:24] <XXCoder> my former boss used to work 12 hours 6 days a week
[04:27:39] <XXCoder> but now have farmed out some of jobs so he works regular full time now
[04:27:41] <gloops> i think he already did machining jobs, repaired old clocks, and also some involvement with a window company
[04:28:05] <gloops> yes takes up all your life if you put yourself to it
[04:29:30] <gloops> then one day you have a heart attack, you realise your kids have gone wild, your wife is seeing someone else, and you wonder why you did it
[04:30:24] <XXCoder> that depends on lot of factors. not all women would go to some other man
[04:30:51] <XXCoder> my former boss dont have a wife but a husband
[04:30:55] <gloops> not all, but can often lead to unhappy marriage
[04:31:16] <XXCoder> theres so many factors its hard to say
[04:32:09] <gloops> thing with 1 man business, you are doing about 5 jobs, the actual work, the admin, the sales, the driving, everything
[04:32:39] <XXCoder> he used to do inverory, ordering, machine repairs as well as manging
[04:32:52] <XXCoder> but he moved inverory and some of ordering to new position manager
[04:33:18] <gloops> yeah, i suppose its about growing fast enough to hire some people to take the workload
[04:34:25] <XXCoder> it definitely grew during I worked there and afterwards. he have split to 2 warehouses now. soda and foods
[04:35:08] <XXCoder> and 4 vans. there was 3 vans, one of em being fairly recent buy when I started
[04:35:23] <XXCoder> im telling you, riding the soda van is damn scary
[04:35:39] <XXCoder> it looks like regular van but its stopping power is 1/5 of regular ones
[04:35:41] <gloops> not so bad when you get to that point, you just tell someone else what to do
[04:35:57] <gloops> anyway got to nip out
[04:35:59] <XXCoder> easily 2 tons of soda in van
[04:36:01] <XXCoder> later
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[05:07:04] <pink_vampire> hi all
[05:07:18] <pink_vampire> any life here?
[05:07:49] <XXCoder> nah im undead
[05:08:00] <XXCoder> whats up
[05:08:00] <pink_vampire> hehe
[05:08:50] <pink_vampire> i was at the junk yard
[05:09:08] <XXCoder> hard to find em here
[05:09:13] <pink_vampire> and got nice size radiator
[05:09:16] <XXCoder> but whats you looking for
[05:09:18] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:24:03] <pink_vampire> it is still in the car
[05:26:23] <XXCoder> using it to cool coolant?
[05:36:48] <pink_vampire> I hope
[05:56:44] <gloops> full size car rad..or smaller heaters radiator?
[05:57:36] <pink_vampire> motorcycle
[05:59:02] <gloops> good thinking
[06:02:13] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:02:31] <XXCoder> as alternatives you could use oil cooler radiator, or power steering radiator from trucks
[06:02:37] <XXCoder> those is pretty small also
[06:03:01] <gloops> when i was thinking of wc spindle i thought big radiator was overkill, the car heaters rad is much smaller - but motorcycle probably just right size
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[06:22:55] <jthornton> morning
[06:24:07] <XXCoder> yo
[06:31:50] <jthornton> looks like cold rain here till tuesday
[06:32:46] <XXCoder> sunny all week, hovering at 59-61f dang this year fall is so dang dry
[06:36:18] <jthornton> your leaves turning yet?
[06:36:47] <XXCoder> lots of em changed colors yeah
[06:37:10] <XXCoder> think one of crap corprate trees at work died, it made buds for leaves but never went past that stage
[06:37:17] <XXCoder> it still has buds and its fall
[06:37:59] <jthornton> I had 4 trees die from the drought we had this summer
[06:39:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com ok in nmost cases, then he shows a nifty bearing balls sorter
[06:52:09] <jthornton> ah that is just a bar sorter, very common in manufacturing plants
[06:53:19] <XXCoder> interesting, only one I know of is old game of moving ball upwards to player end
[06:53:38] <XXCoder> though I had idea, just spin both rods
[06:53:50] <XXCoder> ball would move towards lower end
[06:53:58] <XXCoder> (rods is moving outwards of center)
[06:57:28] <jthornton> that's the way they work in real life the rods spin and many have spiral gooves to move the part along the bars
[07:00:01] <XXCoder> love it when my picture matches reality lol
[07:01:35] Jin|away is now known as Jin^eLD
[07:01:39] <Jin^eLD> morning
[07:03:56] <Jin^eLD> so... I rushed to the store yesterday, checked out the motor CB there, saw that the start button clicks in, thought "yay that will be it", bought it for 40EUR, then when I wanted to swap it I saw that more cables are coming out of mine, removed the front panel and doh... mine has a modular relay installed and that was the reason why my start button does not click it :P I was too impatient, should have first looked better and waited for an electric
[07:05:30] <XXCoder> doh
[07:06:16] <jthornton> aye we told you to take the cover off... but now you have more knowledge than before
[07:12:34] * jthornton makes a nice pot of Texas Red today with some elk, pork and beef
[07:19:51] <Jin^eLD> jthornton: actually I think I did take the cover off first, was not quite correct above, but that did not help me :) because I thought the CB is supposed to have slots for the two extra cables on the side and the new CB casing has holes all around and I did not yet suspect anything in the shop.... I realized only when I had both in my hands; actually I should have taken mine to the shop as reference :P oh well
[07:20:13] <Jin^eLD> I hope its not the motor itself that is dead on that machine
[07:21:17] <jthornton> I was hoping you would say it's running now
[07:21:55] <Jin^eLD> I did not swap them, because I do not know how to connect it without the relay, I could have swapped it only if it was really 1:1 the same, I have no clue about electric stuff
[07:22:17] <Jin^eLD> and I did not want to remove the front cover of the new one to install the relay, because that would damage the sticker on the side and I am still hoping I can return it
[07:22:54] <Jin^eLD> will have to wait for a friend who can check the old CB, it did not look damaged though just from the visual impression
[07:50:55] <gloops> if its overload protection it might be some fault elsewhere
[07:51:00] <gloops> short or something
[07:51:32] <gloops> is there a capacitor on the motor?
[07:57:46] <Jin^eLD> I have no idea, I'd have to take off the front panel of the machine to see the motor, at least I hope that I would see it then, its well hidden
[07:58:22] <Jin^eLD> but at this point I will probably wait for a friend who knows something about electric wiring etc
[07:58:38] <Jin^eLD> he anyway wanted to drop by to check by lathe brake which is not working
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[08:40:33] <gloops> did you ever get the machine up and running on linuxcnc Lcvette
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[08:58:25] <jthornton> I think Lcvette has been just trying to get everything back to normal after the hurricane
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[09:25:11] <Lcvette> jthornton is correct gloops
[09:25:45] <Lcvette> And been working on the new interface for Linux NC for the machine with Hazzy and Turboss
[09:25:56] <jthornton> hows that coming along?
[09:26:17] <jthornton> I see hazzy has worked on some docs for it
[09:27:30] <Lcvette> he is making some great progress on the back end side of things! I'm more the front end graphics so he has the baton at the moment but he says it's getting close!!
[09:27:49] <jthornton> cool
[09:28:45] * jthornton is still working on the new chicken pop door and lights... but the last edit things seem to be working ok just one more thing to get working
[09:30:11] <Lcvette> Nice!!! Gonna have some video when it's finished?
[09:30:52] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[09:31:07] <Lcvette> Nice
[09:31:11] <Lcvette> Watching now
[09:31:16] <jthornton> that's the first one I built and it's currently guarding the chicken roost area
[09:31:39] <jthornton> the lock is a bit flaky so I removed it
[09:31:51] <XXCoder> looking
[09:31:54] <jthornton> need to finger out a better way to lock the door down
[09:32:17] <XXCoder> locked = cannot go up?
[09:32:42] <jthornton> yea, sometimes the lock would not retract
[09:33:09] <jthornton> the idea was if a coon or something got that far it could not push the door up
[09:33:42] <Lcvette> I have a jack shaft garage door opener and it has a pin lock actuator
[09:33:58] <Lcvette> Might be something to Consider
[09:33:59] <jthornton> but with the defense system I have in effect now it's only to keep small things like rats and mice out
[09:34:38] <jthornton> the problem with a lead screw device is you need contact sensor to reverse the door if it touches a stubborn chicken
[09:35:13] <jthornton> the string is safe, but they are always in at sunset and the door goes down at dusk
[09:36:02] <Lcvette> Pops through hole when door closes and locks
[09:36:04] <jthornton> I have a couple of linear actuators from a CAT scanner that have a flaky encoder but the limits work
[09:36:13] <Lcvette> Yeah I can see that being a ptoblem
[09:36:25] <Lcvette> Needs to have a safety like the garage door
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[09:36:40] <jthornton> the "door lock" is the same thing as the pin lock but that one is not reliable
[09:37:21] <jthornton> much simpler to just use the paracord to lower and raise the door :)
[09:38:00] * jthornton wanders up to check on breakfast
[09:38:33] <Lcvette> Maybe a sliding bottom piece on the door connected to some switches that could reverse
[09:38:35] <XXCoder> jthornton: can use 2 linear actuator and holes on door
[09:38:45] * methods_ eats jthornton's breakfast before he arrives
[09:39:07] <Lcvette> Magnetic actuators would be easy too
[09:39:07] * XXCoder eats methods_'s breakfast while hes eating jthornton 's/
[09:39:19] <jthornton> XXCoder: not sure what you mean
[09:39:28] <jthornton> breakfast not ready for 12 minutes lol
[09:39:49] <XXCoder> when door is fully closed it just moves rods though the holes so door cannot rise
[09:40:21] <jthornton> ah yea just like the door lock thing, sure if I could find a small one
[09:40:55] <jthornton> or a magnetic one with some provision for sensors to tell when it's in or out
[09:41:09] <XXCoder> magnetic switch would work yeah
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[09:41:30] <XXCoder> something ferrious would be very strong yet easily switch locked or on
[09:41:40] <methods_> just throw a arduino in one of the chickens brains and program it to lock a regular lock every night
[09:41:40] <XXCoder> other side can be contact sensor to tell you its locked
[09:41:49] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com
[09:41:57] <jthornton> I wonder if that might be better
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[09:42:26] <methods_> give the chicken some gunz and program it to take out intruders while your at it
[09:42:35] <methods_> maybe a flame thrower
[09:42:46] <methods_> that could backfire pretty quick though
[09:42:58] <methods_> i'm not givin my chickens flame throwers ever again
[09:43:01] <Lcvette> Look at this on eBay
[09:43:02] <Lcvette> https://rover.ebay.com
[09:43:02] <jthornton> they would just scream like little girls and run in circles lol
[09:43:57] <jthornton> yea something with a through shaft I can sense the shaft is retracted
[09:44:31] <Lcvette> Perfect those door actuators are perfect
[09:48:04] <jthornton> hmm they are dc motor actuators I like that better than the coil type
[09:48:32] <XXCoder> that looks simple to use
[09:48:58] <XXCoder> heck it can be default locked, just closing door it would lock autoamtically
[09:49:11] <jthornton> yea a couple of micro switches to sense when open/locked
[09:49:51] <jthornton> door must have no friction as it goes down or it stops
[09:50:01] <jthornton> hmmm I smell bacon
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[10:04:05] <fragalot> hi
[10:04:44] <gloops> afternoon
[10:10:42] <fragalot> just finished giving the schaublin an enema
[10:11:09] <fragalot> turns out that doing that on a 50yr old mill can be quite filthy :P
[10:12:10] <gloops> steam?
[10:13:32] <fragalot> petroleum, brush & elbow grease
[10:13:59] <fragalot> (brush being an old toothbrush bent in the right shape as there is no access point other than the 1/2" drain plug)
[10:15:44] <flyback> mabye you should solvent wash it
[10:15:48] <flyback> fagalot
[10:15:58] <flyback> err fragalot
[10:16:39] <fragalot> I don't want to do that as I don't know what seals are used inside of the ram
[10:16:44] <fragalot> or the pump
[10:16:47] <flyback> ah
[10:16:53] * JT-Shop needs to clean out the CHNC coolant tank... yuck
[10:17:06] <fragalot> I basically flushed around 60 litres of petroleum through it repeatedly until it came out clean
[10:17:26] <fragalot> JT-Shop: my favorite job xD
[10:18:03] <gloops> thinners is good for grease
[10:18:20] <gloops> so long as you dont spark a cig up
[10:18:21] <flyback> that crc qd electronic cleaner is good for washing out *CANUCKED* lube
[10:18:29] <flyback> yeah don't spark with qd either
[10:18:36] <flyback> or you will be *CANUCKED*
[10:18:53] * flyback rubs gloops against the explosion
[10:19:07] <Loetmichel> maaan, can soeone plese explain to me how the chinese make it possible that a wood chisel made of "steel" loses his edge when used to pry open welded plastic (power brick) enclosures? Chips out like glass on an bad cut... (that "shell" chipping) :-(
[10:19:19] * gloops rubs his singed eyebrows off
[10:19:38] <gloops> lol Loetmichel
[10:19:54] <fragalot> lol
[10:20:15] <fragalot> Loetmichel: because you're doing it on a high quality glass filled nylon case? :D
[10:20:42] <gloops> obviously need to start buying chinese tubs
[10:21:21] <Loetmichel> nope cheap as fu** dell Notebook PSUs... simple Polycarbonate without any reinforcement
[10:22:58] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I thought they needed some form of glass filling to get the temperature rating up high enough?
[10:23:11] <Loetmichel> dosent seem so
[10:23:36] <Loetmichel> it says just "PC" on the inside on the recycling embossment
[10:26:01] <flyback> china could chink jesus
[10:26:12] <flyback> he would fail to save us
[10:26:16] <flyback> when they were done
[10:27:20] <flyback> tyhere's plenty of good china companies and there's plenty of assholes
[10:27:26] <flyback> goes for everything in life
[10:29:59] <flyback> Loetmichel,
[10:30:08] <flyback> are you sure it's not glass fiber reinforced plastic
[10:30:15] <flyback> thaty could be canucking the knife edge
[10:31:18] <Loetmichel> flyback: as said: it designated "PC on the internal recycling encgraving
[10:31:22] <Loetmichel> nor PCR
[10:31:33] <flyback> ah
[10:31:42] <flyback> that shit is awesome btw
[10:31:43] <Loetmichel> bit even then: Stelle that breaks with "shelling" is probably WAY to hard...
[10:31:53] <flyback> just adding glass particles makes the plastic like 10x stronger
[10:31:58] <flyback> that's just craz
[10:32:08] <Loetmichel> steel
[10:32:15] <Loetmichel> not stelle
[10:32:37] <flyback> have you seen foamed aluminum
[10:32:50] <flyback> guy had his hand on one side, plasma cutter on the other
[10:32:55] <Loetmichel> yes
[10:32:59] <Loetmichel> funny stuff
[10:34:27] <flyback> I reaLLY like ceramics
[10:34:31] <flyback> brittle
[10:34:33] <flyback> fragile
[10:34:41] <flyback> but they can take heat where metals evaporate
[10:34:43] <flyback> like noything
[10:35:23] <gloops> i still have no high density foam hack
[10:35:31] <gloops> hdu is too expensive
[10:36:38] <gloops> thinking of trying wood dust mixed with resin
[10:39:25] <flyback> wonder if you could 3d print ceramic
[10:39:38] <XXCoder> sure
[10:39:42] <flyback> gloops, they sell that as deck lumber here
[10:39:48] <XXCoder> just print then bake
[10:39:51] <flyback> wood mised with recycled garbage bags and shopping bags
[10:39:54] <flyback> doesn't rot
[10:40:06] <XXCoder> it does rot
[10:40:10] <XXCoder> jus much slower
[10:40:15] <gloops> flybook wood dust/resin? or foam?
[10:40:27] <flyback> wood scrap dust and plastic reccling
[10:40:30] <flyback> it's called trex
[10:40:33] <XXCoder> sun damages duck and wood rots as its exposed but it lasts 10 times longer or better
[10:40:51] <gloops> yeah they do it here for fencing, i want something in sheets that can be routed for outdoor signs
[10:41:05] <flyback> if you 3d printed a ceramic fixture I bet you could engineer a really good combustion cyclefor a burner
[10:41:07] <gloops> the proper hdu stuff is too expensive
[10:41:09] <XXCoder> I saw deck made in that wood that was years old, certainly look older but still "less than year old" for regular wood look
[10:41:22] <flyback> or reaction chamber for high temp catalysts
[10:41:57] <flyback> that would be insteresting for dealing with toxic gases
[10:42:07] <flyback> nerve agents like vx
[10:42:16] <flyback> usually destroyed by high temp processes
[10:46:29] <flyback> hmm that really would be instersting
[10:46:50] <flyback> giant spiral reaction chamber
[10:47:43] <flyback> speaking of reaction chambers
[10:47:52] <flyback> having a bowel attack episode, bbl :/
[10:51:32] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[10:57:17] <XXCoder> that is cool
[10:58:40] <pink_vampire> i'm wondering if linuxcnc caqn drive s machine like that, and if there is cam programs for wire bender
[10:59:10] <XXCoder> drive machine yes, cam for it? dunno?
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[11:07:34] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be ouch
[11:08:16] <XXCoder> lol
[11:08:47] <XXCoder> coworker acciently spin spindle 1000 rpm while dial indictor was still being held
[11:08:56] <XXCoder> it flew across machine and shattered dial
[11:09:16] <pink_vampire> O_O
[11:09:24] <XXCoder> it was repaired and works fine
[11:11:01] <XXCoder> 6:23 we use one for 4 robo machines. very expensive
[11:11:46] <syyl> i dont like the haimers
[11:12:05] <XXCoder> we also use it for measuring tool lengths, we set it pointing upwards on rock with 123 blocks, then push down probe with height indictor to 0 - 0, then lower it to its length down, then zero height indictor
[11:12:06] <syyl> they are less accurate than one expects
[11:12:20] <XXCoder> then can use height indictor to measure tools till done
[11:12:38] <XXCoder> syyl: haimers?
[11:12:44] <syyl> the 3d taster
[11:12:58] <syyl> they are made by haimer
[11:13:24] <XXCoder> ahh i dont know what brand one at work is. looks similiar
[11:14:28] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: the one that can spin and dial stays facing you is awesome, but not worth money. I just bought up-facing dial indictor and steel C clamp and i can see dial all way around.
[11:15:04] <syyl> dial test indicator is imo the most accurate and reliable thing to use
[11:15:10] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:15:20] <XXCoder> someone has .0001" marks one. insane
[11:15:35] <XXCoder> both of mine is .0005"
[11:15:52] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: just make a probe
[11:15:53] <syyl> thats the standard here - 0,01mm
[11:16:07] <XXCoder> cant make em at work must use certified tools
[11:16:18] <pink_vampire> I like the one that screw on the spindle
[11:16:25] <pink_vampire> like a V-block
[11:16:42] <syyl> even if i have a renishaw probe in the machine at work, i still like to use a DTI for critical jobs
[11:17:00] <syyl> as i can actually see whats happening, not just get a beep from the probe ;)
[11:17:32] <syyl> pink_vampire, like this?
[11:17:33] <syyl> http://gtwr.de
[11:18:26] <XXCoder> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com I use this all time
[11:18:31] <XXCoder> I bought one for $80
[11:18:39] <syyl> i had to make one ;)
[11:19:09] <XXCoder> at work i simply cant trust tools not to have backlash if I buy cheap so I have good ones
[11:19:28] <syyl> made it at the time with tapered seats
[11:19:29] <syyl> http://gtwr.de
[11:20:26] <XXCoder> tapered to lock with tightning?
[11:20:44] <syyl> yes
[11:20:54] <syyl> and i added a bellville washer under the screws
[11:21:03] <XXCoder> interesting. well gonna go to bed insomia sucks
[11:21:05] <syyl> so i can have it be adjustable without any play
[11:21:15] <syyl> gn8
[11:21:30] <XXCoder> thats actually better than mine, as mine very slowly loosens
[11:21:41] <XXCoder> slow enough to not worry but yeah lol
[11:21:54] <XXCoder> laters
[11:22:44] <pink_vampire> syyl: yeah that stile!
[11:22:49] <pink_vampire> style*
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[11:43:05] <fragalot> syyl: FP42NC budget got approved, going to check it out in 2 weeks. :-)
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[12:26:42] <flyback> wait
[12:26:54] <flyback> so they use aluminum for diver tanks since it's lightweight
[12:27:01] <flyback> how do they dive in saltwater oceans
[12:29:15] <fragalot> flyback: they typically strap said tanks to their backs and fall off the boat backwards
[12:30:01] <flyback> BMCC
[12:30:09] <flyback> BITE MY "CANUCK"..............................CANUCK
[12:30:18] * flyback smacks fragalot in the face with rue_mohr
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[12:31:06] <fragalot> flyback: what? you asked.
[13:05:00] <gloops> https://www.facebook.com
[13:05:20] <gloops> those things never work for me, but that one does
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[13:07:03] <syyl_> perfect fragalot
[13:07:04] <syyl_> congrats
[13:07:06] <fragalot> :)
[13:07:15] <pink_vampire> file://
[13:07:23] <syyl_> when you pick it up, take a detour to southern germany ;)
[13:08:12] <fragalot> it's in the south east
[13:08:22] <Tom_itx> pink_vampire, local link
[13:08:41] * fragalot knows pink_vampire's username on her PC now
[13:09:37] <pink_vampire> hehe
[13:09:53] <Tom_itx> password is bound to be pink something
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[13:11:05] <fragalot> or vampiric
[13:14:39] <fragalot> y'know.. if your spindle only has a labyrinth seal, and calls for fairly runny oil.. you're gonna have a bad time if the first time you switch it on again is at 2000rpm
[13:14:57] <pink_vampire> ok, new password was set
[13:15:05] <fragalot> pink_vampire: is it "roz" ?
[13:15:33] <pink_vampire> it was 123456 LOL :(
[13:15:35] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: keep your pump hand strong.
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[13:17:48] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: Indeed. modified a piston grease pump today to use with it
[13:18:11] <fragalot> seems to work well judging by the amount of oil gushing out the bottom, lol
[13:20:18] <fragalot> miss0r|office: the drill press' table is 14mm. Exactly the size of set I gave away recently. :D
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[13:47:04] <miss0r|office> fragalot: That sounds perfect :D
[13:47:17] <miss0r|office> RIght up your alley for luck, that is ;)
[13:47:57] <miss0r|office> Also, when you look up "common danish names" to try'n pull a trick on me, make sure you pick one that was popular 'back then' and not last year ;) I know noone by that name
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[14:35:28] <fragalot> miss0r|office: I could not find a historical record of 1988 xD
[14:35:52] <miss0r|office> 1987...
[14:35:54] <miss0r|office> But yeah :)
[14:36:05] <fragalot> close enoug
[14:36:06] <fragalot> h
[14:36:25] <miss0r|office> I guess :) Not even close, so you get a cigar.
[14:36:29] <miss0r|office> THat is how it works, right? :P
[14:36:51] * fragalot lights it and puts it on miss0r|office's compressor intake
[14:37:47] <miss0r|office> hehe
[14:37:53] <miss0r|office> That'd make a mess
[14:38:27] <miss0r|office> I took up my Land-Rover project again
[14:38:37] <miss0r|office> Looking at all the parts that still needs ordering
[14:39:42] <CaptHindsight> aluminum body Land Rover?
[14:39:58] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: typically they're 90% paint
[14:40:03] <fragalot> held together with rust
[14:40:42] <miss0r|office> CaptHindsight: the one and same
[14:40:48] <miss0r|office> well.. it is as fragalot states
[14:40:50] <CaptHindsight> https://cf-img.autorevo.com
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[14:42:35] <CaptHindsight> USPS is failing me now, 2-day Priority has become 9-day
[14:42:47] <gloops> youll never have any regrets with a landy
[14:42:59] <CaptHindsight> hurricane shmuricane
[14:43:28] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: lol
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[14:47:43] <miss0r|office> :D
[14:49:15] <miss0r|office> gloops: I already have
[14:49:24] <miss0r|office> But that mainly resolves around leaving the project for 8 years
[14:50:44] <fragalot> at least you now have a youtube mentor to guide you through it
[14:50:52] <fragalot> the kind that has a small hydraulic press and refuses to use it
[14:51:01] <miss0r|office> Hehe. yeah, he does alot of stuff that I would never do the same way ;D
[14:51:15] <gloops> even better when the nuts havent seen a spanner for 8 years
[14:51:55] <miss0r|office> fragalot: But honnestly, he is probally what got me started thinking about takung up the project again
[14:52:09] <miss0r|office> but mentor; meh
[14:53:31] <fragalot> xD
[14:55:43] <fragalot> miss0r|office: do you plan to store the keys for it in your safe?
[14:56:46] <miss0r|office> I'm not sure my safe is considered secure enough
[14:57:09] <miss0r|office> I think I'll omit the starter motor and only have the hand crank. That will sort out any modern criminals :D
[14:59:19] <miss0r|office> Especially junkies - No way they have the force needed to crank start that thing :D
[14:59:48] <fragalot> don't underestimate drug strength
[15:00:12] <miss0r|office> Don't underestimate the brute force needed to crankstart an old land rover.
[15:00:36] <miss0r|office> Not to mention the technique. I'm not sure they teach you that at crime school anymore :D
[15:01:18] <fragalot> I'll give you technique. :D
[15:01:32] <gregcnc> how often do they actually start?
[15:01:56] <miss0r|office> well.. I haven't started this for 8 years. 4 days ago I started it on the second manual crank
[15:02:04] <miss0r|office> So.. once every 8 years
[15:02:06] <fragalot> xD
[15:02:45] <gregcnc> does it have a mag or was a battery necessary?
[15:03:00] <miss0r|office> As my dad used to say: "You know its gonna be a good day, if your landrover starts in the first try.. or even start"
[15:03:10] <miss0r|office> a mag? :S
[15:03:13] <miss0r|office> I has a battery
[15:04:24] <fragalot> at least you have an actual crank
[15:04:36] <fragalot> the trabant required you to jack up ONE of the front wheels & spin it by hand
[15:04:46] <miss0r|office> realy? :D
[15:04:58] <fragalot> yeah, it's described in the service manual I have for it :D
[15:05:02] <miss0r|office> LOL!
[15:05:06] <miss0r|office> That doesn't seem realy safe
[15:05:28] <fragalot> well they propose you tilt the car & prop it up with a 2x4 to get underneath it
[15:05:34] <fragalot> for some other things
[15:05:41] <miss0r|office> sounds too slav for my taste :)
[15:05:45] <fragalot> :D
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[15:24:36] <flyback> BMCC
[15:24:44] * flyback puntcunts ve7it
[15:25:19] <ve7it> hey... that sounds like fun
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[15:26:05] <gregcnc> why https://www.kickstarter.com
[15:26:57] <Tom_L> to make money
[15:27:20] <miss0r2> I wantz onez!
[15:27:24] <miss0r2> OMG!!!111
[15:27:25] <miss0r2> :)
[15:27:41] <miss0r2> okay.. I realy do want one :)
[15:28:56] <Tom_L> talk about butt dialing...
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[15:51:32] <fragalot> whatever happened to the openmoko
[15:54:20] <pfred1> they closed?
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[15:58:17] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: I have a rant on that.
[15:58:21] <SpeedEvil> (I was involved)
[15:59:01] <SpeedEvil> http://forums.xkcd.com
[15:59:15] <SpeedEvil> 'Openmoko is a perfect example of how not to do an 'open source - community involved project'.'
[16:00:15] <SpeedEvil> They could have had a basic featurephone in xmas 2007, with X, and linux, and ... They tried to go for nice and polished, while utterly failing and taking bad advice.
[16:01:07] <CaptHindsight> for about 2 weeks we tried to work with someone from that group who was more or less in charge...
[16:01:45] <CaptHindsight> maybe 4 years ago when they made their last "upgrade" board to swap out your older model
[16:02:09] <SpeedEvil> That was not corporate openmoko.
[16:02:21] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: I did have a similar impression when I first played around with one at Fosdem eons ago
[16:03:20] <Rab> I guess that MAKERphone is just a backplane for a bunch of expensive breakout boards.
[16:03:32] <SpeedEvil> The real thing that put the nail in the coffin of any serious community upgrade efforts was the nokia n900.
[16:03:47] <CaptHindsight> Rab: yeah a toy to play or learn with
[16:04:17] <SpeedEvil> It was reasonably open-source, and you could do most interesting linuxy stuff you'd want to do on it, and because of mass production, the hardware cost was a tiny fraction of what a small volume product would be.
[16:04:35] <SpeedEvil> Of course, nokia then proceeded several years later to kill that line.
[16:04:57] <CaptHindsight> the n900 was also buggy
[16:05:16] <CaptHindsight> I picked up a few new old stock while in Hong Kong a few years ago
[16:06:02] <SpeedEvil> The n900 was a hell of a lot less buggy than OM.
[16:07:15] * JT-Shop wonders what angle my Wusthof needs to be sharpened at?
[16:08:02] <fragalot> JT-Shop: 14* per side
[16:08:05] <Tom_L> 14 degrees per side
[16:08:31] <fragalot> unless if it's one of their asian style blades
[16:08:35] <CaptHindsight> let me guess each side 14 degrees :)
[16:08:43] <Tom_L> On Wüsthof European-Style knives, the blade edge angle has been reduced to 28 degrees (14 degrees per side), while Asian-style Santoku, Nakiri and Chai Dao knives have a blade edge angle of 20 degrees (10 degrees per side). PEtec is 20% sharper with twice the edge retention.
[16:09:09] <fragalot> Tom_L: Did you know that Wusthof also offers a low-cost profesisonal mail-in sharpening service?
[16:09:18] <Tom_L> nope
[16:09:31] <pfred1> I sharpen my own Henckels knives
[16:10:01] <pfred1> I have some special made for Hoffritz cryo treated ones
[16:10:32] <pfred1> they're kind of hard
[16:10:42] <JT-Shop> fragalot: thanks
[16:10:45] <fragalot> nothing a coticule couldn't handle. :)
[16:11:05] <pfred1> I've sharpened a lot of steel and these are noticably harder
[16:11:22] <fragalot> as long as they don't chip
[16:11:26] <pfred1> including a lot of other Solingen steel
[16:11:46] <CaptHindsight> ever been to Solingen?
[16:11:51] <pfred1> which is by far my favorite
[16:11:54] <CaptHindsight> lots of knife stores
[16:12:06] <pfred1> I've been keeping them in business over the years
[16:12:28] <pfred1> best knives i nthe world
[16:12:44] <pfred1> jap laminated steel does nothing for me
[16:12:46] <CaptHindsight> well German
[16:13:01] <CaptHindsight> except for wars they make good stuff
[16:13:23] <pfred1> I have some Sweedish pliers they're really nice
[16:13:40] <pfred1> Lindstrom
[16:13:42] <CaptHindsight> only has some Sweedish Fish
[16:13:51] <CaptHindsight> cherry
[16:14:12] <pfred1> I have an ancient Cherry iron horn plane
[16:14:15] <CaptHindsight> off to the beverage depot
[16:14:28] <pfred1> two cherries
[16:14:44] <pfred1> I don't think they've made plane irons in over 100 years
[16:15:44] <pfred1> it turns out I don't particularly care for horn planes though
[16:15:54] <fragalot> I typically don't really look past Knipex any more for pliers if i'm honest
[16:16:06] <pfred1> channellock is good enough for me
[16:16:19] <fragalot> though I do have some lindstrom pliers on my electronics bench
[16:16:26] <pfred1> though I have a thing for old Ithica pliers too
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[16:17:02] <fragalot> I've tried channellock. they're mediocre
[16:17:06] <fragalot> feel really gritty when new
[16:17:19] <pfred1> I never buy them new
[16:18:04] <pfred1> I am set for life with pliers now
[16:18:16] <fragalot> originally my main reason to get only knipex was that that was the only non-cheese brand local shops carry
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[16:18:31] <pfred1> yeah I buy tools used at yard sales and flea markets
[16:18:46] <fragalot> until I tried some other brands like facom (our equivalent of snap-on) and.. eh. back to knipex :D
[16:18:56] <pfred1> I pay from 25 cents to mayne a couple bucks for a pair of pliers
[16:19:19] <pfred1> if i don't just get a mess in a box for $5 or so
[16:19:38] <fragalot> deals like that are very uncommon here
[16:19:52] <phaxx> my favourite wire snips, not exactly pliers, are made by Erem and they're fantastic.
[16:19:53] <pfred1> you have to play the law of high numbers
[16:19:56] <phaxx> also fantastically expensive.
[16:19:58] <fragalot> IF you find a vendor that has tools, they're typically in a state beyond repair
[16:20:35] <pfred1> when something is uncommon you have to increase the value by just going to a lot of sales
[16:20:53] <fragalot> pfred1: finding said sales is like finding a needle in a haystack
[16:21:02] <pfred1> I walked into a basement once that was just jam packed with machinists tools
[16:21:22] <pfred1> every time I went up to the girl with another handful of stuff she's day give me $3
[16:21:22] <fragalot> they are not advertised, I don't know of any tooling specific ones.. you just 'find' a single vendor that has maybe 2 to 3 tools on his little table
[16:21:47] <pfred1> mitotoyo depth gauges parallels you name it
[16:22:00] <pfred1> give me $3
[16:22:04] <fragalot> nice
[16:22:09] <Rab> pfred1, epic
[16:22:28] <pfred1> the trouble was I was in the process of moving out of state at the time so I had to limit myself
[16:22:42] <pfred1> I still took a few handfuls up to her that day
[16:22:58] <pfred1> I bet the next day I could have got it all for $100 though
[16:23:29] <pfred1> it's out there
[16:23:57] <pfred1> heck my old home town I used to find tools at the dumps
[16:24:05] <pfred1> people threw them out
[16:24:06] <fragalot> in the states where home shops are more common perhaps
[16:24:28] <pfred1> I got a kick ass vise at the dumps once
[16:24:52] <pfred1> a nice old drawer tool chest and another time a mid box to go with it
[16:25:10] <pfred1> one of my Kennedy machinists chests came out of the dumps
[16:25:24] <pfred1> it is missing the latch but I never close it
[16:26:12] <pfred1> how can you say no?
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[16:27:34] <pfred1> yesterday I got a bit ripped off I bought a MIB Drill Doctor for $10
[16:27:46] <pfred1> but it isn't one of the better models it is only a 350X
[16:27:56] <pfred1> so new it went for $50-$70
[16:28:03] <jthornton> Mangled In Box?
[16:28:10] <pfred1> stiull the guy never took it out of the box
[16:28:18] <pfred1> nope he never opened it
[16:29:02] <pfred1> well he opened the top flap but that's ad far as he ever got he never actually pulled the tool out
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[16:29:25] <pfred1> I can tell it was in there since the factory
[16:30:40] <pfred1> now I've heard good and bad about these Drill Doctor things but for $10 I figured I'd see for myself
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[16:41:14] <JT-Shop> drill doctor's have never shown me much
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[16:52:48] <pfred1> I probably won't like it much but I figure I'll give it a shot
[16:53:05] <pfred1> might end up like how i use my pitbull
[16:53:22] <pfred1> just use it to even a drill up then hand finish it
[16:59:01] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:03:24] <gloops> hmm afd make big gains in bavaria, establishment parties 22 points down from 2013
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[18:53:08] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
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[19:01:42] <jthornton> dang I think I finally found the jumper on this digole oled for i2c
[19:03:08] <Tom_L> heh
[19:03:16] <Tom_L> for the thermostat?
[19:03:32] <flyback> those are cool btw
[19:03:39] <flyback> oled lcd's with simple serial busses
[19:03:44] <flyback> might not be very fast
[19:03:48] <flyback> but fun
[19:03:56] <flyback> you can attach them to anything
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[19:04:00] <Tom_L> no lcd is fast
[19:04:03] <flyback> cool
[19:05:21] <flyback> yeah guy who wrote firmware for those china floppy emulators that suck
[19:05:30] <flyback> that don't suck after his firmware
[19:05:37] <flyback> put in code for those lcd's
[19:05:53] <jthornton> Tom_L: yea, I have a few of them but never sorted out how to make the work on the i2c
[19:07:57] <jthornton> time for a bowl of Texas Red
[19:10:12] <pink_vampire> any idea how to cut internal ball joint?
[19:12:44] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com
[19:13:48] <pink_vampire> amazing! that is smart!
[19:24:43] <XXCoder> wow
[19:25:17] <XXCoder> flyback: floppy drive emulator eh
[19:25:28] <XXCoder> one of those that uses ssd and has disks 1 to 99?
[19:25:53] <flyback> usb or sd
[19:26:06] <flyback> the guy even wrote a modplayer for it
[19:26:10] <flyback> just to show off
[19:26:14] <flyback> cause the china one uses a stm32
[19:27:52] <XXCoder> lol ok
[19:28:11] <XXCoder> i just wish theres a cheap way to make nes cart for any rom
[19:28:21] <XXCoder> basically flash game and play
[19:28:23] <flyback> he had his own hw too but he's in france, it's made in poland its going to be expensive
[19:28:35] <flyback> he only asks $10 for a fw for a $20 china floppy
[19:32:18] <andypugh> pink_vampire: That method of maching balls is fairly well known.
[19:32:46] <andypugh> (though I haven’t seen it for internal spheres before)
[19:33:20] <andypugh> pink_vampire: The other (very easy) way is to use a ball-ended end-mill
[19:34:04] <pink_vampire> andypugh: that was my first idea
[19:35:57] <Tom_L> i was gonna suggest that until i saw the video
[19:36:48] <andypugh> And then there is the reallly hard way, CNC boring head: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[19:37:32] <andypugh> (Bit AFAIK only one person in the world has one of those and it doesn’t work properly.
[19:37:49] <Tom_L> what's the db25 for?
[19:38:10] <pink_vampire> encoder?
[19:38:11] <andypugh> To drive the servo that controls the radius…
[19:38:53] <Tom_L> doesn't follow the radius well?
[19:39:07] <andypugh> The servo is a bit weak.
[19:39:13] <Tom_L> ahh
[19:39:31] <Tom_L> that's not the motor you were working on some time back is it?
[19:40:02] <andypugh> That’s the one. Scratch-built: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[19:40:31] <Tom_L> wondered wtf that was gonna be for :)
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[20:17:39] <XXCoder> andypugh: huuuh boring head with parallel
[20:18:21] <XXCoder> how do it work? because wouldnt it spin? or is there anti-twist there?
[20:19:39] <andypugh> Ah, well, you see, it contains possibly the best idea I ever had.
[20:20:31] <andypugh> There are two encoders, one measures spindle revs and the other motor revs, and the PID works on the difference.
[20:20:44] <andypugh> I did hope it would make me money, but apparenlty not.
[20:21:19] <XXCoder> would be handy for engraving head
[20:21:30] <XXCoder> turn spin of spindle into tapping
[20:21:46] <XXCoder> without having anything to keep part from rotatin
[20:22:41] <XXCoder> nowdays more and more just stright milling engrave rather than tapping so probably end up not selling well either dunno
[20:23:43] <andypugh> I have used the boring head for threading, and if the servo had worked properly then multi-pass would have been an option.
[20:25:12] <andypugh> (I have shown this before, so you have probably seen it already) https://youtu.be
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[20:38:47] <Tom_L> not sure what got me wanting to try thread milling but it's kinda fun
[20:41:52] <andypugh> That’s not technically thread-milling
[20:42:07] <andypugh> It’s inverted lathe threading
[20:42:27] <Tom_L> yeah but similar
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[20:43:14] <Tom_L> how many passes did that take?
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[20:43:36] <andypugh> I have forgotten, but the video is all of it
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[20:44:48] <Tom_L> sadly i didn't watch it all the way
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[21:07:48] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be
[21:09:01] <Tom_L> 36°F Lo 31
[21:11:00] <CaptHindsight> was 80F a week ago, now down to below 32F at night
[21:11:27] <CaptHindsight> looks like low 50's until November
[21:11:44] <CaptHindsight> we get about 2 weeks a year of 60's
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[21:24:02] <CaptHindsight> KAKA Industrial Sheet Metal Notcher
[21:24:09] <CaptHindsight> a name you can trust
[21:24:35] <CaptHindsight> https://www.amazon.com
[21:24:42] <infornography> O_O
[21:25:46] <CaptHindsight> lots of it https://www.ebay.com
[21:26:14] <infornography> good looking notcher tho
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[21:30:21] <andypugh> it’s not cheap for what I can see, so perhaps it is made of good materials?
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[21:34:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kakaindustrial.ca
[21:34:39] <CaptHindsight> Thickness 0.118"mild steel
[21:36:39] <CaptHindsight> only 16 ga $959 https://www.trick-tools.com
[21:37:33] <CaptHindsight> 11ga like the KAKA but $2650 https://www.southern-tool.com
[21:37:55] <CaptHindsight> "CALL FOR YOUR BROTHER-IN-LAW PRICE"
[21:40:21] <jesseg> howwdy folks
[21:40:28] <infornography> ello
[21:47:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: yo
[21:49:45] <skunkworks> Jymmm: you still around?
[21:54:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yoyo
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[22:51:56] <infornography> ello
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[22:52:21] <infornography> yes, more of that please
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[23:18:27] <Tom_L> first snow of the year
[23:19:44] <infornography> just rain here, lots of rain