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[02:10:12] <jesseg> Howdy!
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[02:23:38] <CaptHindsight> https://downdetector.com
[02:26:27] <CaptHindsight> if you zoom out far enough you discover that the earth has three Africas
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[04:45:56] <Loetmichel> *meh* The CE-lab managed to kill the SIXTH i5 cpu in a device from us. I wonder how the 24V 125W picopsu that we use in that box got its automotive rating... now i have to put some 10uH chokes and a 36V supressor diode into the power plug and hope... (MAAAN is that tight in there!) -> http://www.cyrom.org
[04:51:29] <TurBoss> morning
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[06:56:24] <jthornton> morning
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[08:29:10] <laminae_> hey guys, i got a small request for a vaccuum form buck and i had some good results using mdf but i'm looking for other options, has anyone found a good foam that machines well and hopefully a material that can easily be coated with high temp resin after it is machined?
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[09:07:25] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* that pilots face says "maaan, i just cleaned that bird..." -> https://www.isnichwahr.de
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[09:27:07] <jthornton> damn example code shoule at least compile without debugging errors lol
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[09:50:11] <methods_> luckily she's white
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[13:22:41] <Xnke> Hello folks
[13:22:55] <gloops> evening
[13:23:05] <pink_vampire> hello
[13:24:06] <fragalot> evenin'
[13:24:29] <Xnke> My Mesa 7i96 card should show up today, I'm pretty hyped for it
[13:25:17] <Xnke> the new itx case will be in Friday so I'm gathering junk to get a computer together this weekend
[13:25:18] <gloops> just like xmas morning :)
[13:26:02] <Xnke> nah that's the day the motion control hardware shows up...I work for a machine shop in the engineering Dept and get first dibs on all the discarded stuff
[13:26:36] <Xnke> ...mainly because I am the only one who wears steel plated soles for tromping through the dumpster
[13:27:33] <gloops> im a keen skip-diver myself
[13:28:34] <jthornton> dammit after 3 days of searching I finally found a digole lcd example that worked!
[13:28:45] <Loetmichel> Xnke: yeah, steel plated shoes help if you wander in junkjards
[13:31:48] <Xnke> yep. I walk the scrapyards every city I go to, found an entire pallet of new turbochargers once.
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[13:43:52] <Xnke> awwww yeah, just found a Logan lathe for 80 bucks. gonna have to sell my Atlas-Craftsman
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[13:47:53] <CaptHindsight> Xnke: my luck would be all 7 cylinder turbos :)
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[13:51:12] <FinboySlick> 7 cylinder turbo? Like an inline 7?
[13:51:41] <FinboySlick> Sounds like some sort of odd marine diesel to me.
[13:52:04] <CaptHindsight> nah, just something that really doesn't fit anything well
[13:52:31] <CaptHindsight> like a crate of left mittens
[13:52:52] <FinboySlick> Didn't the original Quattro have 5cyl turbo?
[13:53:04] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: i'm sure there is a crowd of woodworkers that only need the left mitten
[13:53:13] <FinboySlick> And in that vein, I have a bunch of left socks.
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[13:53:28] <CaptHindsight> left socks vs socks left
[13:53:59] <fragalot> my current car doesn't even have a turbo anymore
[13:54:12] <fragalot> turns out that if you just increase the volume of the cylinders you can also get more power, faster
[13:54:34] <CaptHindsight> now who woulda thoughta that?
[13:54:40] <FinboySlick> I like superchargers better, especially the twin-screw types.
[13:55:14] <FinboySlick> Such a lovely mechanical noise.
[13:55:15] <gloops> mercedes/vw did make some 5 cylinder engines
[13:55:37] <CaptHindsight> the problem with using bigger engines in cars is not having them interchangeable with lawn mowers
[13:56:06] <FinboySlick> Where's Zeechan when we're discussing automotive heresy?
[13:56:42] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: lol
[13:56:43] <rmu> efficiency of turbocharged motors usually is better
[13:57:16] <fragalot> rmu: depends on what you're doing with said motor
[13:57:35] <gloops> unless you drive like nigel mansell
[13:57:37] <fragalot> in my case it's a hybrid so the thing switches on & off like an indecisive toddler
[13:58:43] <Loetmichel> fragalot: turbochargers are good for efficiency... and for bruning waste oil in diesels
[13:58:48] <Loetmichel> :)
[13:58:55] <gloops> i had identical 2 litre pugs, one turbo, one not, same fuel consumption driving normally, turbo - a good bit less if you gave in to the temptation
[14:00:01] <gloops> as it is irresistable to thrash a turbo, you may as well say they do less to the gallon
[14:00:05] <SpeedEvil> yeah - unless the turbo engine is dramatically smaller, it doesn't really work like that
[14:00:37] <CaptHindsight> used to be anything here under 6L was an economy or compact car
[14:00:39] * Loetmichel drives a 2.5 litre 6 cyl BMW diesel in his Opel Omega... nice engine... could do with a bit more oomph, but i dont dare to chiptune it now that it has close to 200Mm on the odo though.
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[14:01:40] <delinquentme> Whats the term for setting the zero-point of your work piece relative to where the cutting tool starts?
[14:02:18] <Loetmichel> it has about 30hp more when installed in a BMW 5 series... they had to choke it a bit in the omega because of the radiator is to small... it overheats at full throttle
[14:02:19] <rmu> delinquentme: touch off?
[14:02:20] <gloops> touching off?
[14:02:26] <Loetmichel> delinquentme: touch off
[14:03:23] <delinquentme> Im using a software tool called vcarve to generate my path and I thought i set the tool "touch off" to the bottom left of the work piece... but it seems to work from the center. Any ideas how to fix this?
[14:03:30] <delinquentme> also is there a windows CNC chat channel?
[14:04:43] <CaptHindsight> delinquentme: not many windows anything channels on IRC
[14:07:40] <gloops> <delinquentme> are you setting the bottom left in the toolpaths window?
[14:08:18] <gloops> you get a setup window in the main file tab, but you need to set the other co-ordinate in the toolpath window
[14:08:54] <gloops> facebook > DIY CNC machines
[14:09:27] <gloops> lot of v carve users there, dont ask about warez help though, the vectric people are in there
[14:10:12] <delinquentme> yeah its set at 0,0 bottom left of the part
[14:10:32] <delinquentme> but when I do an airpass ... it starts cutting at an offset which looks like its 1/2 the length of the part.
[14:10:42] <gloops> wheres it set in the drawing window?
[14:10:48] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: 1.0l is the norm these days, lol
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[14:13:52] <gloops> in the toolpath tab its material setup, XY datum
[14:15:12] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: it was once considered an achievement to get 1HP/cubic inch
[14:15:31] <CaptHindsight> 6.6L engine 400HP
[14:16:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.oldride.com
[14:16:58] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: amazing what can be done when materials and time start to cost money :P
[14:17:10] <gloops> unleaded is £7 a gallon here though
[14:17:26] <fragalot> fuel prices are insane
[14:17:38] <fragalot> gloops: also, remember to say "UK gallon"
[14:17:57] <fragalot> because inane units aren't bad enough, they also have to differ per region
[14:17:58] <gloops> yeah which is probably less than everyone elses
[14:18:04] <CaptHindsight> they discovered that when the prices of gas here stays under $3/gal that consumers still spend money
[14:18:13] <Loetmichel> fragalot: american?
[14:18:24] <fragalot> Loetmichel: i'm belgian
[14:18:26] <gloops> anyway ive got a fire to light
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[14:18:47] <CaptHindsight> when >$3/gal consumer confidence goes way down and the spending goes way down
[14:18:51] <Loetmichel> over here we are at 1.50eur per litre...
[14:19:07] <fragalot> 1.65 last I fueled up
[14:19:10] <Loetmichel> for petrol
[14:19:26] <Loetmichel> ouch
[14:19:49] <Loetmichel> note to self: dont fuel up in belgium when driving to france any time soon ;)
[14:19:58] <CaptHindsight> 87 octane regular unleaded <10% ethanol is ~$2.90
[14:20:27] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: per GALLON...
[14:20:29] <fragalot> Loetmichel: prices vary wildly per day
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[14:20:34] <Loetmichel> isnt that about 3 liters?
[14:20:37] <fragalot> more
[14:20:44] <fragalot> the ethanol thing is great imho
[14:20:56] <fragalot> made from waste products with less energy but sold at a higher price
[14:20:56] <CaptHindsight> i paid $2.17/gal for E85 (>85% ethanol) yesterday
[14:21:29] <Loetmichel> a, 2.78 lites, so close to 4
[14:21:29] <CaptHindsight> 3.785L = 1 Gal
[14:21:34] <Loetmichel> 3.78
[14:21:53] <Loetmichel> so you fuel is essentially 1/3 of our fuel
[14:22:00] <Loetmichel> price wise ;)
[14:22:53] <CaptHindsight> whats your average price per L in euros?
[14:23:04] <CaptHindsight> 1.50?
[14:23:07] <Loetmichel> [20:18] <Loetmichel> over here we are at 1.50eur per litre...
[14:23:28] <Loetmichel> for regular 95 octane 5% ethanol
[14:23:50] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: something like that
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[14:24:39] <CaptHindsight> $6.53/gal USD
[14:25:09] <CaptHindsight> so you're just over 2:1
[14:25:24] <Loetmichel> yeah, closer to 2:1 than 3:1
[14:25:38] <CaptHindsight> was in Chicago yesterday so add $0.50 per gallong
[14:25:43] <Loetmichel> still cheap as fu** for an euroean
[14:25:45] <CaptHindsight> gallon
[14:25:55] <Loetmichel> +p
[14:26:42] <CaptHindsight> they figured out how to extract oil from shale
[14:27:11] <CaptHindsight> so now they pump, water and organic solvents into the ground to push crude oil out
[14:29:08] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: https://www.spritmonitor.de <- the fuel prices for E10 for the last 1.5 ye4ars in central germany.
[14:29:22] <Loetmichel> have to fill in the most recent tank stops though
[14:29:29] <CaptHindsight> right before they rampped production of from fracking were were ~$5/gal
[14:30:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they kept fuel prices high in the EU to reduce consumption
[14:30:32] <CaptHindsight> over here it's still burn baby burn
[14:32:19] <fragalot> they're raising the price of diesel here now because it's too cheap compared to petrol
[14:32:22] <Loetmichel> also MAAAN that car was expensive... 2 years of fun and close to 4000 eur in sum... and now it will be pressed... cant get the roadworthy check renewed without extensive repairs and its due this month
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[14:32:53] <fragalot> and regularly you hear in the new "crude oil at all time low" *next page* "fuel prices are going up due to prices on the crude oil market"
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[14:49:29] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com
[14:49:49] <fragalot> amazes me that this is 'new'
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[15:00:58] <CaptHindsight> on thuis machine we have to toggle F4 then G7 then M321, skip twice on your left foot, gargle with spinach soup and then tap 3 times on the spindle un-shut-off offset position compensation adjuster nut
[15:01:20] <CaptHindsight> now we are in safe mode
[15:01:23] <fragalot> :D
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[15:40:25] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com
[15:41:25] <fragalot> cute
[15:42:11] <gloops> but why?
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[15:42:47] <CaptHindsight> probably had some aluminum wire part project
[15:42:58] <fragalot> and he's the master of procrastination
[15:43:01] <fragalot> for instance
[15:43:08] <fragalot> I was working on building a granite cnc build
[15:43:17] <fragalot> so naturaly first you completely rebuild an RF45
[15:43:23] <fragalot> which you then sell & buy a shaublin
[15:43:46] <CaptHindsight> you didn't to prove that you're not lazy
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[15:44:01] <CaptHindsight> did it/didn't
[15:44:09] <fragalot> :P
[15:44:13] <gloops> did you sort it delinquentme ?
[15:45:40] <ziper> that thing is sweet why would you ask why
[15:46:56] <FinboySlick> fragalot: Still flaunting your Schaublin, huh?
[15:48:23] <gloops> ziper whats the application for bending soft wire into elementary shapes?
[15:49:09] <fragalot> FinboySlick: to the end of my days
[15:49:29] <ziper> a nichrome cattle brand
[15:49:49] <fragalot> gloops: every spring ever made?
[15:49:53] <fragalot> wire hangers?
[15:49:56] <ziper> not soft
[15:49:59] <gloops> its not spring steel
[15:50:10] <pink_vampire> gloops: https://i0.wp.com
[15:50:12] <fragalot> ziper: depends on the manufacturing process
[15:50:19] <ziper> but that is a loaded question, no reason you couldnt build to for harder wires
[15:50:26] <fragalot> gotta prototype it somewhere
[15:50:40] <gloops> yes...that is pretty pink_vampire
[15:51:15] <gloops> im being constructively critical here, not just bitching about someones work
[15:51:18] <pink_vampire> it is a valid application for bending soft wire :-)
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[15:58:01] <pink_vampire> much nicer machine https://www.youtube.com
[16:00:13] <FinboySlick> pink_vampire: This one is a bit less relaxed: https://www.youtube.com
[16:00:47] <fragalot> I like the old style machines set with cams from back in the day
[16:04:22] <fragalot> https://www.youtube.com <== that style, but with 20+ fingers going at it from all angles
[16:04:51] <fragalot> no idea what the right search term woul dbe
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[16:26:31] <XXCoder> someone made 3d printed wire bender lol
[16:26:50] <gregcnc> i think they are just called spring winders even if not very wound up
[16:26:59] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be
[16:27:49] <XXCoder> I cant imange first run of that machine
[16:27:51] <gregcnc> anything for YT income right?
[16:30:00] <XXCoder> heh some is basically yt income focused
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[16:31:14] <gloops> those look like clothes peg springs
[16:31:26] <gloops> millions sold, for virtually nothing
[16:31:27] <XXCoder> or plain wood clips
[16:31:45] <XXCoder> heh yeah but same time machine probably make millions a day
[16:32:04] <XXCoder> even if sold for penny each it'll make lots money and machine long since paid
[16:32:08] <gloops> https://images.homedepot-static.com
[16:32:53] <pink_vampire> gloops: https://www.lowes.com
[16:33:55] <gloops> pink_vampire i dont think you can beat clothes dried in the fresh air
[16:34:04] <gloops> i do use a dryer in winter though
[16:34:12] <gloops> or if in a hurry
[16:34:49] <pink_vampire> we need better way to dry clothes
[16:35:01] <gloops> self cleaning cloth
[16:35:49] <XXCoder> theres new clothes that resist dirt and stuff but still very expensive for now
[16:42:50] <gloops> would seem a bit funny though, wearing a pair of jeans for 6 months without washing them lol
[16:44:49] <XXCoder> just 6 months? yeah lol
[16:45:47] <gloops> i remember there was a hells angel on our street when i was a kid, he went out and when he came back his mother had washed his denim cut off jacket and it was drying on the line
[16:45:56] <CaptHindsight> laundry water filtered to make clean drinking water or beer
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[16:46:03] <gloops> he went crazy with her - the jacket hadnt been washed for 25 years
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[16:46:43] <jthornton> I wonder if I got another broken egg laid from the roost this morning...
[16:47:49] <jthornton> I wonder where that came from
[16:47:56] <jthornton> it was not me lol
[16:48:35] <gloops> the line?
[16:48:41] <CaptHindsight> just helping you make breakfast
[16:48:50] <jthornton> about the broken egg that was yesterday
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[16:51:13] <XXCoder> gloops: theres one japanese guy who tested demin, he tested to see how long it would last before stinking up
[16:51:22] <XXCoder> it never stank up, for 10 years
[16:51:39] <XXCoder> more longer you wear it before washing for first time, the more confortable it is
[16:54:36] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:56:13] <gloops> cotton definately seems better for that than synthetics
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[17:20:28] <gregcnc> a better way of washing clothes?
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[17:28:38] <CaptHindsight> I picked up some 98% cotton and 2% spandex pants over the summer....
[17:28:56] <gregcnc> have you washed them yet?
[17:29:09] <CaptHindsight> they are treated with teflon
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[17:29:38] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they mostly cleaned up with a damp rag
[17:30:07] <CaptHindsight> until you get oil and grease, ink, epoxy resin etc on them
[17:30:42] <CaptHindsight> they also dry in minutes
[17:31:03] <gregcnc> no dryer then?
[17:31:14] <CaptHindsight> not good for cold, welding etc
[17:31:26] <CaptHindsight> I washed them by hand
[17:31:59] <CaptHindsight> spilled water on them while on, and they were dry in minutes
[17:33:22] <CaptHindsight> have an until recently solid blue pair on now, chlorine bleach left spots (overspray)
[17:34:16] <CaptHindsight> don't care since they were $10
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[17:38:08] <CaptHindsight> cotton with spandex, PTFE and copper could be a good combo
[17:39:32] <CaptHindsight> just don't wear it during an MRI
[17:39:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ajnr.org
[17:40:20] <CaptHindsight> Invisible Metallic Microfiber in Clothing Presents Unrecognized MRI Risk for Cutaneous Burn
[17:41:31] <gregcnc> i read about that a while ago
[17:42:22] <_unreal_> arg.... waiting on this thing right now https://www.amazon.com
[17:43:07] <_unreal_> I need to do more sanding but I have one more coat of epoxy fingers crossed... and my plug mold for my tinkerboard/LCD will be ready
[17:44:29] <CaptHindsight> _unreal_: USB to 9 pins of GPIO?
[17:44:58] <CaptHindsight> er 2 x 9 so 18 pins of GPIO?
[17:45:33] <_unreal_> no
[17:45:39] <_unreal_> just a hub
[17:46:02] <_unreal_> gives 2 or 4 I'm not sure
[17:46:20] <gloops> also 10 coats of wax unreal
[17:46:27] <gloops> + 1 PVA
[17:46:28] <_unreal_> the description is poor and the reviews are SO so... so i'm taking a chance on it
[17:46:31] <_unreal_> ?
[17:46:42] <gloops> on the plug
[17:46:42] <_unreal_> oh oh the mold
[17:46:52] <CaptHindsight> OK, other listings mention USB hub
[17:46:53] <_unreal_> ya
[17:48:03] <_unreal_> I'm building molds for the front/back for a CASE very much like this but for a 7" https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
[17:49:04] <_unreal_> the company that sells those does NOT make a 7" case
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[18:05:25] <gloops> https://www.facebook.com
[18:07:57] <andypugh> _unreal_: Ambitious.
[18:08:22] <andypugh> _unreal_: 3D printing or vac-forming not options?
[18:08:53] <_unreal_> LOL......
[18:09:05] <_unreal_> I'm a boat builder by trade.... fiberglass
[18:09:22] <_unreal_> I could even sell these cases if any one was interested
[18:09:28] <andypugh> I guess when your only tool is a hammer...
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[18:22:04] <CaptHindsight> fiberglass hull printer
[18:24:43] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com
[18:33:28] <CaptHindsight> would you 3d print a boat, car, dog?
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[18:43:07] <pink_vampire> hi jerryq
[18:55:37] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any recommendations for lower melting point steel alloys suitable for small gears?
[18:59:32] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
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[20:16:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight silly putty
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[21:17:59] <_unreal_> andypugh, everything is a nail get use to it
[21:18:28] <_unreal_> CaptHindsight, its called aluminum
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