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[00:57:07] <fragalot> hi
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[03:01:20] <Deejay> moin
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[03:45:48] <miss0r> mornin'
[03:49:31] <miss0r> turning a new valve piston on the lathe right now. This thing is very long and thin... :-/
[03:50:19] <miss0r> almost to a point where I need to setup the steady rest. I might need to
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[05:56:10] <jthornton> this linux mint box is getting impossible to wake up
[06:01:41] <XXCoder> why?
[06:02:36] <jthornton> if I knew that I'd fix it lol
[06:03:10] <jthornton> I spend 3-4 minutes tapping on the keyboard and moving the mouse before the damn thing wakes up
[06:03:18] <jthornton> screen saver is turned off
[06:04:57] <jthornton> down to 11h 8m of daylight got to hurry up and get my algorithm figured out for the chicken door/lights
[06:09:01] <XXCoder> strange
[06:09:19] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres something capturing keypresses
[06:09:57] <jthornton> hmm and the mouse too?
[06:10:22] <XXCoder> would be strange
[06:12:07] <jthornton> so the upshot of the chicken algorithm is if the natural light is getting shorter each day when it reaches 10h start adding 5 minutes per day up to 14h then hold until natural daylight is 14h then open at dawn
[06:12:12] <jthornton> make sense?
[06:12:49] <XXCoder> so turnaround for bottom out at 10h, turnaround on top is 14 hours
[06:13:22] <jthornton> yea, and I need to be able to restart at any time and be back in sync
[06:13:52] <XXCoder> each day value should be calculable so sould be fine
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[06:14:11] <XXCoder> or even table with date lookup though thats bit bigger binary size
[06:14:56] <jthornton> on a reboot I need to calculate the position it's in and the start date for extra light if at all
[06:16:27] <rmu> jthornton: regarding waking up the mint box, did you try pressing the power button?
[06:16:52] <jthornton> let me see if this keyboard has one
[06:17:05] <rmu> no on the pc
[06:17:39] <jthornton> no, I have not tried that as I don't want to reboot
[06:18:17] <rmu> i got a monitor with built in usb hub, and the monitor deactivates the usb hub when it is in sleep mode (i.e. there is no picture), so you can't wake up the PC with a keyboard/mouse connected to monitor hub
[06:18:31] <rmu> one short press of the power button should not reboot
[06:18:47] <rmu> but that depends on your configuration
[06:18:49] <XXCoder> my keyboard is a usb hub also lol
[06:19:06] <XXCoder> my mouse usb dongles been there so long sometimes its mystery where it is.
[06:19:54] <jthornton> the mouse and keyboard are a USB one and the dongle is in the PC, but strange as I've been running this PC for some time now and the problem is just starting a few days ago
[06:20:17] <rmu> this monitor hub thing is very stupid, you can't even unblank the display. screensaver activates -> usb hub shuts off
[06:20:59] <XXCoder> crazy
[06:20:59] <rmu> what do you need a dongle for? wireless keyboard/mouse?
[06:21:07] <jthornton> aye
[06:21:23] <rmu> probably dead batteries ;-)
[06:21:50] <jthornton> in both the keyboard and the mouse?
[06:22:00] <jthornton> but they both work..
[06:22:52] <rmu> hmm. i would check with wired keyboard, just to be sure
[06:23:08] <rmu> in german we used to say "wer funk kennt nimmt kabel"
[06:23:11] <rmu> ;-)
[06:23:35] <jthornton> good idea, I have one next to me for the Raspberry Pi
[06:24:28] <rmu> perhaps there is some kind of interference on the wireless link
[06:24:54] <XXCoder> didnt think of that but wouldnt it also affect regular use
[06:24:58] <jthornton> yea it's something that has changed lately for sure
[06:37:27] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:39:53] <XXCoder> gap at lower tha 10h but increasing
[06:40:45] <XXCoder> it will evenually happen at spring
[06:41:21] <XXCoder> maybe 14 hours - (5 minutes * days backwards from first 14h day)
[06:41:32] <jthornton> yea if daylight is increasing hmm that means it's after the winter solstice
[06:42:51] <jthornton> actually I want to add 5 minutes per day from the day that has 10h of daylight and this year it's about Nov 23
[06:43:14] <XXCoder> lemme make a quick graphic
[06:43:17] <jthornton> and I just picked that number out of my head for some reasno
[06:46:35] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com
[06:46:46] <XXCoder> flat lines is 14 hours and 10 hours sunlight time
[06:47:06] <XXCoder> curved line starts at summer, decreases till winter then rises again
[06:47:23] <jthornton> yep that's pretty much the idea
[06:47:26] <XXCoder> the slope is where your code adjusts time till it is 14 hours and stays there
[06:47:35] <jthornton> yep
[06:47:48] <XXCoder> so theres only short dip
[06:48:17] <jthornton> well there is a longer dip, the dip is to allow them time to moult and some rest time
[06:48:45] <XXCoder> so youyr code dont have any handling for area after max 14 hours is reached agaib
[06:49:18] <jthornton> after 14h of natural daylight the door opens and the lights come on at dawn
[06:49:19] <XXCoder> over 14 and under 10 is already handled, so are area decreasing and slope area
[06:49:39] <XXCoder> honestly you dont need seperate "decreasing" and "increasing" hours I think
[06:50:31] <jthornton> there are two sectors, one when daylight is transitioning from 14h+ down to 10h and one from 10h to 14h
[06:53:07] <XXCoder> yeah so your code really just needs to calculate number of days since 10h then set 14h if its over that
[06:53:31] <XXCoder> if natural is longer whole code dont run it just runs on sunlight timne
[06:54:10] <XXCoder> or even better, just make "spring" come for example 200 days earlier
[06:54:21] <XXCoder> so it would have natural daylight curve like spring
[06:54:36] <XXCoder> till it hits 14 hours it freezes till actual goes past that
[06:55:19] <XXCoder> note I just made up 200 days up not sure how many days would be best
[06:55:59] <jthornton> that's what I'm doing... when natural daylight in the decreasing mode reaches 10h start adding 5 minutes a day for the next 48 days
[06:56:28] <miss0r> Valve piston complete. That thing took damn near three hours to do ! https://imgur.com
[06:56:35] <XXCoder> yeah though if my method is used you dont need to do anything more than just bring spring time earlier
[06:56:42] <jthornton> natural light will get down to 9h 30m during the winter solstice and rise back up through 10h again
[06:56:51] <XXCoder> call daylight time for for exampke 150 days later
[06:56:59] <miss0r> jthornton: Thats not alot of difference :)
[06:57:02] <XXCoder> then trim if more than 14 hours
[06:57:27] <jthornton> miss0r: I had to pick some time to start extra light lol
[06:58:02] <XXCoder> your code does api call to get daylight time right? or is it info gathered during day?
[06:58:15] <jthornton> XXCoder: I'm not following your algorithm, dunno when 150 days earlier is
[06:58:39] <miss0r> Our shortest day 'round here is 6½ hours, where as the longest one is around 17 hours
[06:58:49] <jthornton> I use astral to get the times each night but at boot up I need to get my position in the cycle
[06:59:07] <XXCoder> oh well for example oct 19th is current day, your program calls for daylight time in march 17th 2020
[06:59:25] <jthornton> your a lot further north than me :)
[06:59:33] <XXCoder> then if that day happens to be at over 14 hours dauylight (doubtful) then trim it to 14 hours
[06:59:39] <XXCoder> pretty stupid simple
[06:59:42] <jthornton> how does the program know what date to call?
[06:59:51] <XXCoder> current date + 150 days
[07:00:00] <XXCoder> your board does have date?
[07:00:27] <jthornton> yea I'm heavy into datetime lol
[07:00:54] <XXCoder> lets do quick graphic draft see if my idea makes sense
[07:01:00] <jthornton> ok
[07:01:13] <XXCoder> inkscape this time lol
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[07:07:06] <XXCoder> okay reload imgur
[07:07:22] <XXCoder> yellow is regular, and blue is shifted by X days
[07:07:43] <jthornton> how do you arrive at X days?
[07:08:04] <XXCoder> scales isnt very accurate. yeah thats the issue also, easier if have accurate graph to decide on days
[07:08:08] <jthornton> but yea that is how the light will look when graphed
[07:08:42] <jthornton> I've decided on the day, the first day of decreasing light that is 10h
[07:09:17] <XXCoder> blue is same (ignore stuff overlapped) but sifted left by N days, and maybe even shifted downwards by max hours day length - 14 hours
[07:09:27] <jthornton> the problem is at boot up determining where I am and what I need to do
[07:09:49] <miss0r> question: Can't you just get an astro watch(timer) ?
[07:10:26] <jthornton> I'm using astral in python to get accurate sun times each day and can find the sun times for any date with it
[07:11:15] <miss0r> alright :) I guess that works as well.
[07:11:33] <miss0r> I've done alot of 'outside lighting' with astro watches, that just fit nicely on a din rail
[07:12:58] <jthornton> adding light at night?
[07:13:10] <miss0r> Yeah
[07:13:23] <jthornton> in this case it's chickens and their light needs for laying eggs
[07:13:58] <miss0r> Schneider electric makes a realy nice watch, where you can tell it to turn the light on from xx:xx to xx:xx IF its dark out. or simply if its dark
[07:14:00] <miss0r> (sundown)
[07:15:10] <jthornton> in the case of chicken lights you want to add light in the morning only and allow natural sunset be their trigger for going to the roost
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[07:15:39] <miss0r> that is also possible with the timer :)
[07:16:14] <jthornton> yea sure if you want to futz with it each day lol and I've been there done that lol
[07:16:32] <miss0r> hmm...
[07:17:18] <miss0r> Why would you need to do that?
[07:17:28] <jthornton> I'm working on an algorithm that magically follows my light rules, I have one now that I manually set the amount of extra light
[07:17:52] <jthornton> a timer does not change but the daylight does...
[07:18:06] <miss0r> that is the beauty of the astro watch.
[07:18:13] <miss0r> It knows the sunset and sunrise each day
[07:18:34] <jthornton> which is nice but does not fit the chicken light needs
[07:18:57] <miss0r> Hehe, I guess it does not :]
[07:18:58] <jthornton> astral also knows the dawn, sunrise, sunset, dusk and moon times
[07:19:13] <miss0r> They 'should' make a chicken edition :)
[07:20:09] <jthornton> lol
[07:20:45] <jthornton> XXCoder: graph is spot on what needs to happen, I just need to find the algorithm that fits the graph :)
[07:22:40] <XXCoder> its simple math trick, shift graph down and to left
[07:22:58] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:23:00] <XXCoder> time(date + 150 days?) - 1.5h maybe
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[07:23:19] <jthornton> that code works fine but I have to set the start date for extra light
[07:24:35] <XXCoder> how long do chickens need to rest and molt?
[07:24:53] <XXCoder> maybe below 10h + chicken time days
[07:25:15] <jthornton> I'm not exactly sure, some of my neighbors chickens and turkeys are molting now
[07:26:27] <jthornton> I think it is a fall thing which is why I want to just have normal daylight in the fall up to mid winter then ramp them up to 14h to get egg production going a bit faster
[07:27:03] <XXCoder> "If you use a lamp in your coop to extend daylight hours, Oregon State Extension suggests leaving it off for six weeks during the fall or winter will help your birds completely finish a molt and start laying again at top production."
[07:27:10] <XXCoder> https://farmingmybackyard.com
[07:27:27] <XXCoder> so starting from start of fall, 6 weeks
[07:27:42] <jthornton> yea that's pretty much what I've read
[07:27:43] <XXCoder> or from below 10h maybe
[07:28:02] <jthornton> below 10h here only lasts a few weeks
[07:28:22] <jthornton> I don't think the moult in the deep winter or they would freeze to death
[07:28:38] <XXCoder> that same site cations against timing of molt in winter yeah lol
[07:29:58] <jthornton> if you have a bigger operation you just get new chicks each year as the pullets (females less than a year old) will lay through the winter cause they are too dumb to not lay when there is no chance for the egg to hatch
[07:30:26] <jthornton> 15m till the door opens
[07:30:33] <XXCoder> and older turns into meat I guess
[07:31:44] <jthornton> well the French had cure for old cocks it's called coq au vin
[07:32:16] <jthornton> mine I know by name and they will go to a retirement home lol
[07:33:29] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:33:38] <jthornton> I think this will work...
[07:34:01] <jthornton> hmm no I see a flaw
[07:34:49] <XXCoder> lemme edit it a second
[07:36:26] <XXCoder> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:37:08] <jthornton> if over 14h is handled by the first if statement
[07:37:38] <XXCoder> no, if you keep adding 5 minutes a day evenually it will go over 14h I think?
[07:38:19] <jthornton> yes, I follow you now https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:38:29] <XXCoder> 48 hours to increase 10h to 14h
[07:38:34] <XXCoder> err 48 DAYS
[07:38:41] <jthornton> yea
[07:39:36] <XXCoder> only point im not sure about is why there is difference between decreasing day hours and increasing
[07:40:26] <jthornton> if I find the previous 10h day and daylight is increasing then I'm off by several weeks from the original start point
[07:40:49] <XXCoder> interesting.
[07:40:54] <jthornton> 10h of daylight happens twice once before winter solstice and once after
[07:41:04] <XXCoder> ahh yeah makes sense
[07:41:47] <jthornton> so I picked the first 10h as my start point for some reason unknown to me lol
[07:42:08] <XXCoder> sometimes decisions is artistic
[07:42:16] <XXCoder> or instactive
[07:42:16] <jthornton> aye
[07:50:06] <XXCoder> well hopefully that should work
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[08:03:18] <jthornton> and now how to test it out lol
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[08:08:14] <XXCoder> :)
[08:08:47] <jthornton> I did figure out how to use the nice digole 2.1" color lcd thingy
[08:09:08] <XXCoder> heh apparently you can buy OLPC XO really cheap now
[08:09:16] <XXCoder> it has fairly large TFT display
[08:09:24] <XXCoder> its very readable in sunlight but faded colors
[08:09:25] <jthornton> OLPC?
[08:09:32] <XXCoder> yeah one laptop per child
[08:09:46] <XXCoder> https://www.ebay.com
[08:09:54] <XXCoder> old project dunno if its still made doubtful
[08:17:30] <jthornton> hmm I can pick dates in time and test each rule
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[08:19:59] <XXCoder> great idea
[08:20:09] <XXCoder> in fact you could graph it out
[08:20:30] <jthornton> https://www.timeanddate.com
[08:20:31] <XXCoder> just make it output a list and you could paste hours in some spreadsheet program
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[08:22:26] <XXCoder> run it for all 365 days graph it :)
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[08:28:12] <Loetmichel> MAAAN, ordering things from dasfilament.de is like going grocery shopping while hungry... wanted to order a single spool of black PLA because nearly empty... got 5 spools of PLA (yellow, red dark green, gray, black) , 2 spools of PETG (transparent red, transparent geen, natur) and 2 sample rings (flexfilament und glow in the dark green). At least they deliver quick... ordered less than 20
[08:28:12] <Loetmichel> hours ago... -> http://www.cyrom.org
[08:29:03] <XXCoder> lol
[08:30:12] <Tom_L> you can print all weekend now
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[11:33:47] <fragalot> Hey
[11:34:20] <jthornton> hay
[11:41:22] <fragalot> y'know
[11:41:42] <fragalot> labeling my isopropanol bottle using an alcohol based permanent marker may have been a mistake
[11:47:47] * jthornton wonders what is the best way to dry my sock filled with desiccant is?
[11:51:52] <jthornton> this looks reasonable
[11:51:53] <jthornton> https://vemco.com
[11:57:23] <SpeedEvil> pour into oven tray heat to 180C for couple hours
[11:57:36] <SpeedEvil> Remove sock first.
[11:57:45] <JT-Shop> lol
[11:58:38] <JT-Shop> I wonder why most hits say < 300F
[11:58:54] <JT-Shop> 350F is the melting point I think
[11:59:05] <SpeedEvil> Of silica gel?
[11:59:11] <SpeedEvil> I think it's way higher than that
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[12:01:05] <JT-Shop> not sure it is desiccant used in test strip bottles for blood sugar
[12:02:32] <fragalot> FinboySlick: because I know you care: turns out that if you remove the vertical head from a schaublin, and re-install it a week later, the thing is still in tram within 0.005mm
[12:02:49] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:03:12] <fragalot> the fit & finish on this 60yr old hunk of steel continues to amaze me
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[12:54:21] * FinboySlick barely contains his envy.
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[13:00:29] <JT-Shop> getting a chill in here I think a small fire is in order
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[13:05:26] <JT-Shop> damn cell phone keeps telling me I'm out of data and to get unlimited click here lol
[13:10:04] <fragalot_> ads have gotten out of hand haven't they
[13:11:36] <JT-Shop> aye
[13:11:56] <JT-Shop> nothing like a cold rain to dampen your outdoor activities
[13:12:08] <fragalot_> with the new GDPR thing happening i've been going out of my way to make sure everyone that's ever contacted me knows not to do it again
[13:12:19] <fragalot_> i'm like the marketing guy's worst nightmare :D
[13:12:32] <JT-Shop> what is GDPR?
[13:12:40] <fragalot_> european privacy regulations
[13:12:52] <JT-Shop> we need that for cell phones
[13:13:02] <fragalot_> they can not keep or process information about you without your explicit permission
[13:13:10] <JT-Shop> it's getting to be a pain in the ass
[13:13:18] <JT-Shop> nice
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[16:42:10] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: I wonder if google fi works in your area
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[16:42:29] <XXCoder> its 10 dollar per gb till it reaches 6 gb then its slower unlimited from that point on
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[16:52:30] <JT-Shop> nothing works in my area except satellite lol
[16:52:55] <JT-Shop> good morning, I got the 3rd rule sorted out so the last one will be a piece of pie
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[16:53:35] <XXCoder> forgot which is third? :)
[16:54:55] <JT-Shop> iirc winter time... daylight < 10h and daylight getting shorter each day or something like that lol
[16:55:20] <XXCoder> ahh yea the shortest section
[16:55:32] <XXCoder> isnt there also < 10h and increasing
[16:55:34] <JT-Shop> geez it's the third time I've reconciled this damn account
[16:55:51] <JT-Shop> aye and I have that one sorted out in my mind
[16:55:52] <XXCoder> as thats where turnaround point is
[16:55:54] <XXCoder> nice
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[16:57:31] <JT-Shop> it's still raining out or I'd show you the output
[16:58:09] <XXCoder> here its way not raining enough :(
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[16:58:17] <XXCoder> its rainforest biome without rain
[16:58:58] <JT-Shop> the idea of using a seed date for each test worked out very well
[16:59:11] <JT-Shop> I didn't have to wait a year to test the code lol
[16:59:15] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:00:15] <XXCoder> you could even graph it. run it for all 365 days and output times it decided to open/close
[17:00:19] <XXCoder> then graph those times
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[17:06:19] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:07:35] <Tom_L> tried to rain here earlier but it looks like you're gettin it all now
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[17:09:56] <JT-Shop> tomorrow is supposed to be real nice sunny and 67°F
[17:11:08] <JT-Shop> yea the missing check showed up from August lol
[17:11:28] <XXCoder> mailed July? ;)
[17:11:37] <XXCoder> **sept
[17:12:24] <Tom_L> better get your bike out
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[17:13:44] <JT-Shop> invoice date was 7/23 but the payables girl screwed up and lost it
[17:14:11] * JT-Shop has all the bikes inside lol it freaking cold and raining
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[18:02:10] <jthornton> XXCoder: https://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:03:32] <XXCoder> middle is bit odd, it says less than 14 hours but natural light is 14:24
[18:05:34] <jthornton> yea used the wrong variable for that line, fixing it now
[18:07:29] <XXCoder> lol yea can happen
[18:08:14] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:08:35] <jthornton> had a whole bunch of crap in the code from trying to wake up the stupid pc...
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[18:09:44] <XXCoder> looks good I think
[18:10:05] <jthornton> yea just one more puzzle to solve for that
[18:10:44] <jthornton> test if natural daylight is less than 10h and increasing
[18:11:22] <XXCoder> yeah that'd cover the last section.
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[18:36:35] <jthornton> I'm thinking just keep backing up until the daylight starts to increase then check for 10h to get my start date for extra light
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[18:48:29] <XXCoder> cool :)
[18:49:51] <jthornton> but I think now I need to check for less than 14h and increasing each day...
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[21:35:00] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com minecraft torch
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[22:57:55] <Tom_L> can f-engrave do raised letters instead of engraved letters?
[22:58:17] <Tom_L> ie cut the pockets instead of the letter
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[23:31:27] <XXCoder> Tom_L: should be. not too sure
[23:31:52] <XXCoder> f-engrave could do inlays so yeah probably able to do so
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