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[01:32:14] <flyback> https://www.eetimes.com
[01:32:16] <flyback> that is sweet
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[06:09:43] <jthornton> morning
[06:10:23] <XXCoder> hey jt
[06:10:31] <XXCoder> I got the fun job today
[06:10:39] <XXCoder> broaching, I finished 145 parts
[06:10:42] <jthornton> engraving the part
[06:10:49] <XXCoder> left 5 parts for weekend shift
[06:10:55] <jthornton> oh the actual fun part?
[06:11:23] <XXCoder> yep the sarastic version of fun
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[06:11:51] <XXCoder> its.. very boring. thankfully I already saved shitty shirt at tool cart so I just changed shirts for that
[06:12:12] <XXCoder> that job ruined one of my nicer shirts the first time I ran it
[06:12:19] <jthornton> I got the gear motor wires soldered on last night so need to wire everything up and start testing this morning
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[06:17:55] <Tom_L> morning
[06:18:32] <XXCoder> cool :)
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[06:18:35] <XXCoder> hey
[06:19:43] <Tom_L> broach on a press?
[06:19:52] <XXCoder> in a cnc mill
[06:20:00] <jthornton> wow 52°F with a high of 58°F today
[06:20:29] <Tom_L> 48F Hi 66
[06:20:33] <XXCoder> today will start off week with high of 58f, then it foes fast down to 53-52f and heavy rain whole time
[06:20:39] <XXCoder> washington foreverrain
[06:21:00] <XXCoder> river near work rose 4 feet it seems from start of my shift to end
[06:21:11] <XXCoder> not heavy rain, just doesnt stop.
[06:21:27] <jthornton> narrow river?
[06:21:36] <XXCoder> not expecially large river
[06:21:54] <XXCoder> very high levees though so it never gets into risk of spilling
[06:25:28] <Tom_L> we've got a river and a floodway and i've seen it overflow one time. this last rain we had it got about half full
[06:25:51] <jthornton> I wonder how someone draws a photo like this https://github.com
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[06:26:32] <Tom_L> i can't remember what program that is
[06:26:56] <jthornton> hmm I wonder if I can do that in Gimp
[06:27:06] <XXCoder> isnt there electrics cad
[06:27:14] <Tom_L> yeah
[06:27:15] <XXCoder> free open source one too
[06:27:20] <XXCoder> kicad?
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[06:28:07] <jthornton> looks like they plopped some photos into the drawing then added lines and labels
[06:28:21] <XXCoder> http://kicad-pcb.org
[06:28:38] <XXCoder> that ine has 3d rendering though maybe its for one pcb not wiring
[06:28:58] <jthornton> yea looks like pcb stuff
[06:29:01] <Tom_L> bring a pic in word and draw lines etc with that
[06:29:21] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:29:24] <Tom_L> i did that with word
[06:29:41] <Tom_L> .... i think
[06:30:17] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:30:50] <jthornton> I can do that in Gimp
[06:30:52] <Tom_L> can't find the one i'm looking for
[06:31:03] <Tom_L> but it also had lines like you want
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[07:57:28] <pink_vampire> jthornton: the program is "fritzing"
[08:00:06] <jthornton> thanks
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[08:22:02] <miss0r> I have a question for you guys: I have to make some parts for a swap fabrikation plant. (The small sticks with cotton wool on the ends). I was planning to make some of the parts of aluminium, BUT when the cotton wool sweeps over the aluminium surface, they get some less than nice colors. :) Can you guys recommend a surface treatment?
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[08:23:04] <methods_> hard anodize?
[08:23:11] <jthornton> aye
[08:23:18] <pink_vampire> why not use better material?
[08:23:27] <miss0r> pink_vampire: Weight, mainly
[08:23:42] <miss0r> hard anodized.. alright :) I'll need to see about that then.
[08:23:49] <jthornton> Ti maybe
[08:24:13] <miss0r> That does sound sortof pricy. I was realy hoping to keep the price down :D
[08:24:27] <pink_vampire> i know you can use anodize to coat it with lubricant
[08:24:34] <methods_> anodizing is a common process
[08:24:40] <methods_> should be able to test that cheap and fast
[08:24:41] <jthornton> tell the customer cheap, fast, good pick one
[08:24:54] <miss0r> methods_: Like diy anodozing?
[08:24:55] <methods_> lol
[08:25:00] <methods_> nooooo
[08:25:04] <miss0r> jthornton: indeed :)
[08:25:12] <methods_> just send it out batches get done regular
[08:25:14] <pink_vampire> diy clear anodize
[08:25:24] <methods_> you can usually get anodized stuff back quick
[08:25:36] <methods_> especially if it's a small part
[08:25:42] <methods_> and you don't care what color you get
[08:26:07] <miss0r> hmm.. I was hoping for black, I guess :]
[08:26:14] <miss0r> but for the test, I don't care - no
[08:26:17] <methods_> yeah
[08:26:32] <methods_> just tell them hey i don't care what color i need this hard anodized asap
[08:26:41] <methods_> and they'll throw it in with any batch
[08:26:41] <miss0r> I don't know much about anodizing; Will it change my outside dimensions?
[08:26:45] <pink_vampire> black is the hardest to do in DIY
[08:26:49] <methods_> not much
[08:27:08] <miss0r> methods_: Can you narrow that in a bit? :)
[08:27:10] <pink_vampire> you can't use the "rit" stuff
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[08:27:26] <miss0r> pink_vampire: I think I will leave the anodizing to the professionals, to be honnest
[08:27:48] <methods_> https://www.arrowcryogenics.com
[08:28:06] <methods_> type III anodize ( hard coat anodize) is .0005-.002"
[08:28:36] <miss0r> hmm. That should not be a major issue
[08:28:49] <miss0r> Have you any experience with teflon coating aluminium?
[08:29:18] <methods_> i do not
[08:29:27] <pink_vampire> you can also try ceracoat
[08:29:27] <methods_> but that would probably work well for your application
[08:29:57] <miss0r> ceracoat.. indeed
[08:30:38] <miss0r> I have to make quite an elaborate contraption. It takes the swaps directly off the assembly line, compresses them to a round shape, and pushes them into the round boxes
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[08:32:30] <pink_vampire> can you take a picture of that?
[08:33:25] <miss0r> I suppose, I'll have to ask first though :)
[08:34:08] <miss0r> Alot of pneumatic stuff. :) Its not my own design; it is basically a proto type, that was put into production. (build by the owner of the plant).
[08:34:46] <miss0r> But he has alot of problems with it, mainly due to slobby tolerances ect. So I'm making a new one. a proper one, I hope :)
[08:35:18] <miss0r> Quite the interresting order; this mean I have to work from home for the next couple of weeks - and I do enjoy that
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[08:36:19] <pink_vampire> sounds interesting
[08:37:17] <miss0r> I hope it will be
[08:45:58] * Loetmichel feels a bit like cinderella like now. "there they go. There is blood on her shoe."... managed to walk an aluminium swarf into my toe... cut it out with a #11 knife, no its no longer hurting when i walk but it sticky... .-(
[08:46:44] <miss0r> I think you are thinking of one of cinderella's sisters; they were the ones who had to cut off a toe to fit the shoe ;P
[08:57:43] <Loetmichel> yes
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[09:13:02] <SpeedEvil> How fucked up must cinderellas feet have been if her feet were the only ones that could fit the shoes?
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[10:44:50] <gregcnc> https://www.engadget.com
[10:46:26] <pink_vampire> i think i will go to mars, the earth go in a wrong direction
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[10:50:36] <gloops> art - the final frontier
[10:52:18] <Rab> Laugh-a while you can, monkey-meat. Who among us could compete with this masterpiece? http://obvious-art.com
[10:53:27] <gloops> well, sometimes youve just got to stand back and look at these things for a while
[10:56:06] <MarcelineVQ> Rab: anyone with a copy of Deep Doodle :>
[10:56:16] <MarcelineVQ> pink_vampire: What you're feeling at this moment is a normal part of the ageing process
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[11:02:06] <Deejay> re
[11:05:19] <gloops> quote blackadder - the only impression he's good at is of a man with no talent
[11:06:26] <MarcelineVQ> There once was a sausage called baldrick
[11:07:33] <gloops> some moody looking skies here atm, i think we can unofficially say winter is here
[11:34:24] <{HD}> PLoP ftw!
[11:35:41] <gloops> https://www.facebook.com
[11:35:51] <gloops> £15 for a bench drill
[11:37:01] <gloops> hmm motor, stepped pulleys worth that
[11:37:18] <gloops> do i drive 25 minutes though...
[11:38:17] <{HD}> Go on your way to the grocery store.
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[11:43:31] <gloops> i got those yesterday
[11:43:51] <MarcelineVQ> You forgot to get mushrooms
[11:45:12] <gloops> i cant be bothered its rush hour soon i could end up stuck for ages
[11:45:49] <gloops> ill wait until i need the pulleys then say - why didnt i buy that drill
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[11:51:22] <Rab> My local hardware store sold off their inventory of cast aluminum pulleys at bargain prices. It was tempting to stock up, but I didn't have an actual application.
[11:52:03] <Rab> I know I will regret not buying it all.
[11:53:30] <gloops> yeah those kind of things are handy to just stick away and forget
[11:53:40] <gloops> with all the other stuff
[11:56:55] <{HD}> My linux live usb is kernel panicking. Running memtest now. Does an HDD need to be installed for a live usb?
[12:08:52] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com always here
[12:09:39] <pink_vampire> no file system
[12:10:45] <pink_vampire> try to re make your live usb
[12:10:50] <jthornton> yea looks like a faulty install on the usb
[12:11:06] <pink_vampire> how did you make the live usb?
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[12:18:42] <Loetmichel> GRRR... thanks to the designer of our new laptops i have to work tomorrow... just tried to mount the brass hinge covers on 7 of them that should be delivered today: designer took the blueprints of the old version to get them manufactured... which had 1,5mm thinner keyboard cover... so i now have to somehow clamp 14 270° round brass tubes with the flat side up on the CNC mill and face them
[12:18:42] <Loetmichel> off 1,5mm... great. :(
[12:19:40] <{HD}> I made it with etcher from windows
[12:20:33] <{HD}> Maybe I actually need to dd build it?
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[12:33:23] <JT-Shop> can etcher create a bootable USB? I use it to create my micro SD cards for my RPi's
[12:34:03] <{HD}> JT-Shop: yea. I use it all the time for other linux distros.
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[12:34:18] <{HD}> I am dd’ing a drive now to test out.
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[12:35:32] <JT-Shop> cool, never thought of trying that... now where is that linuxcnc image
[12:36:01] <MarcelineVQ> I always dd usb sticks for my bootable medium, too convenient
[12:37:11] <{HD}> Yea but I had to walk upstairs for a linux machine. Win box was closer.
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[12:38:30] <{HD}> And dd always make me think I am going to wipe my fs
[12:39:39] <JT-Shop> aye, dd is a bit scary to use
[12:42:53] <MarcelineVQ> It's only scary if you're operating at a permission level you probably shouldn't be :>
[12:43:10] <{HD}> And dd should have a progress bar!
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[12:53:58] <Loetmichel> {HD}: it has. with the right options
[12:54:05] <Loetmichel> cant remember which ones though ;)
[12:54:43] <MarcelineVQ> status=progress or something
[12:54:46] <pink_vampire> {HD}: just use unetbootin
[12:55:37] <pink_vampire> or "Rufus"
[12:56:34] <gloops> cant remember what i used now, rufus did work ok
[12:57:00] <gloops> need to stick linux drive back in here
[12:57:30] <gloops> im going to sort this HDU issue once and for all in the coming weeks
[12:57:37] <gloops> as in - self pour
[12:57:54] <Loetmichel> {HD}: use DDrescue... it has a progress bar by default and is slightly less cryptic with its drive designations
[12:58:10] <Loetmichel> i find it easier to deal with that dd
[12:58:11] <fragalot> HI
[12:58:32] <MarcelineVQ> gloops: Harmonic Dissonance Utopos?
[12:58:36] <Loetmichel> also it can read damaged HDDs or sticks ;)
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[12:58:50] <gloops> high density urethane foam
[12:58:58] <fragalot> Loetmichel: what about burned sticks?
[12:59:02] <fragalot> or debarked ones
[12:59:23] <gloops> too expensive to buy in boards unless you have high paying punters
[12:59:43] <Loetmichel> fragalot: as long as they are still registered as an usb thumbdrive in the computer you can rescue whatever data is on them undamaged.
[12:59:52] <fragalot> Loetmichel: "sticks"
[13:00:01] <Loetmichel> USB sticks.
[13:00:06] <fragalot> as in dead tree carcasses ;)
[13:00:10] <Loetmichel> sorry. german lingo for thumbdrives
[13:00:34] <fragalot> it's universal across all languages, you're just being german and the joke went way over your head :-)
[13:00:40] <MarcelineVQ> I wouldn't say germany has laid claim to the term usb stick :D
[13:01:14] <Loetmichel> MarcelineVQ: the usual german term is USB stick. no idea if other languages use that either
[13:01:26] <Loetmichel> i only speak german and english
[13:01:43] <Loetmichel> and as far as i am aware its called Thumbdrive in english
[13:02:20] <fragalot> what the hell is the point of this "youtube premier" garbage
[13:02:35] <MarcelineVQ> Rather than what's the point, what is it at all?
[13:02:43] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: no ads.
[13:03:08] <fragalot> MarcelineVQ: instead of just releasing the video, the video first mimicks a live-stream where people can chat the first time it's viewable
[13:03:19] <JT-Shop> more crap videos without ads lol... 95% of putube is just pure crap
[13:03:44] <SpeedEvil> That is still thousands a day of good stuff
[13:04:01] * SpeedEvil watches lockpickinglawyers latest escapade.
[13:04:22] <fragalot> :P
[13:04:26] <JT-Shop> yea thousands of good stuff and billions of crap lol
[13:04:30] <fragalot> LL is brilliant
[13:04:47] <fragalot> "this lock is great and all but here's this simple tool that opens it in seconds if you don't care"
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[13:06:15] <gloops> hmm 25 cubic litres whats that in a 100mm sheet
[13:06:28] <gregcnc> lol almost like the soldering iron pic https://www.gettyimages.ca
[13:06:38] <SpeedEvil> gloops: 1l per mm of 1m^2
[13:06:47] <SpeedEvil> So 100l = 100mm of 1m^2
[13:07:09] <{HD}> Its works!
[13:08:06] <Loetmichel> greg: ahem... on a regular desk?
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[13:08:40] <gloops> 2500x100mm
[13:09:37] <gloops> not good
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[13:16:06] <{HD}> Ugh! Doesn’t see disks...
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[13:38:20] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: table is also a surface
[13:38:35] <CaptHindsight> how many of you here that post patches for fixes (not focusing on LCNC but all open source) get accepted with your name still included?
[13:39:08] <fragalot> gregcnc: is it the measuring angle, the crappy table, or the parallax error whilst measuring that irks you? :P
[13:39:33] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: All of them. or are we talking about open source?
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[13:40:12] <CaptHindsight> (not focusing on LCNC but all open source)
[13:40:22] <fragalot> Right. I need sleep.
[13:40:45] <CaptHindsight> :)
[13:41:59] <CaptHindsight> I'm just noticing a trend of the fix being applied with not even a thanks
[13:42:28] <fragalot> does anyone know if those peak electronics LCR meters are worth a damn?
[13:42:43] <CaptHindsight> within 48 hours of submitting the info
[13:43:39] <jym> fragalot: for what purpose?
[13:44:22] <fragalot> jym: yay / nay testing of components that are suspect
[13:44:28] <CaptHindsight> useless as a chick magnet
[13:44:39] <CaptHindsight> so I hear
[13:44:57] <fragalot> i've got an V&A L/C meter now that can't even determine the difference between 1pF and 1mF
[13:45:33] <fragalot> even my chinese "universal" $5 tester works fairly well, but I want something more reliable
[13:46:07] <CaptHindsight> https://www.edn.com
[13:46:36] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: Eh.
[13:47:30] <gloops> now im actually thinking about this foam, brains lead to better solutions
[13:47:35] <fragalot> I'm thinking of getting the peak electronics set of an LCR, DCA and ESR
[13:48:00] <gloops> the way to go with foam signs is to foam cast the main board, with ordinary medium density foam
[13:48:08] <gloops> no machining
[13:48:22] <fragalot> but for 'only' about €200 more I could just get a keysight U1733C that can do the same things, but may be more reliable
[13:48:28] <fragalot> (I have no idea if peak is unreliable or not)
[13:48:35] <gloops> then just cut out the letters and logo etc and stick them on
[13:48:56] <CaptHindsight> fragalot: try asking in #electronics
[13:49:00] <fragalot> I did
[13:49:07] <fragalot> nobody responded :P
[13:49:20] <CaptHindsight> huh
[13:50:58] <CaptHindsight> don't settle for that, demand answers
[13:51:17] <gloops> troll them to death
[13:51:29] <jym> fragalot: Could make one yourself using a uC and one of those cheap signwave generators
[13:52:15] <fragalot> jym: i'm trying to avoid jankiness
[13:52:39] <fragalot> if I want jank, I can continue to use the chinese $5 component analyzer (which works surprisingly well to get you in the right ballpark)
[13:52:50] <jym> fragalot: ok
[13:55:09] <Tom_L> fragalot if it says FLUKE it's probably good
[13:55:33] <fragalot> Tom_L: even though fluke makes good things, their new stuff feels below par
[13:56:06] <{HD}> Woohoo I found a disk that works!
[13:56:09] <Tom_L> what's this world coming to....
[13:56:13] <fragalot> i've got a nice brymen BM860s that I quite like
[13:56:28] <fragalot> which, imho, blows my flukes out of the watr
[13:56:40] <fragalot> especially for continuity testing (heh :))
[13:56:58] <fragalot> the brymen responds INSTANTLY, whilst the flukes seem to need to complete the circuit for a fraction of a second before they start to beep
[13:57:07] <CaptHindsight> i send all my measurements to NIST for verification
[13:57:18] <Tom_L> maybe they take more samples
[13:57:27] <pink_vampire> i need access to oscilloscope for 5 minutes, any idea?
[13:57:29] <fragalot> plus the dual display on the brymen is very nice showing both AC and DC components simultaneously
[13:57:34] <fragalot> pink_vampire: you can borrow mine
[13:58:16] <CaptHindsight> no hackerspace nearby?
[13:58:28] <CaptHindsight> they are usually loaded with broken test instruments
[13:58:37] <pink_vampire> are you in the NY/NJ/PA area?
[13:58:40] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Any way to use Halscope?
[13:59:08] <pink_vampire> andypugh: what is "Halscope?"
[13:59:24] <andypugh> It’s the scope built in to LinuxCNC
[13:59:53] <pink_vampire> this is what i need to do https://www.youtube.com
[14:01:01] <fragalot> his triggering, or lack thereof, is bothering me
[14:01:48] <andypugh> What is he measuring?
[14:02:05] <pink_vampire> the pid settings in the g320x
[14:02:18] <andypugh> No, I mean, what is he _measuring_
[14:02:27] <fragalot> andypugh: "the test-point"
[14:02:43] <andypugh> Voltage?
[14:02:59] <fragalot> I mean, it's a scope probe, so yes.
[14:03:12] <pcw_home> you can do that with halscope
[14:03:18] <pink_vampire> this is the calibration of the pid in the g320x
[14:03:26] <andypugh> Yes, I imagine that encoder position would suffice.
[14:03:46] <pcw_home> you dont need to measure voltage, _if_ you can read encoder position
[14:03:48] <pink_vampire> it is voltage over time
[14:04:21] <pcw_home> you dont need to measure voltage, _if_ you can read encoder position
[14:05:02] <pink_vampire> the encoder is connect to the G320X
[14:05:25] <pcw_home> it might be tricky because the encoder is at G320 motorpower- which may be noisy
[14:05:37] <pcw_home> (relative to PC gnd)
[14:05:41] <pink_vampire> i just got a new servo controller from gecko, and i want to calibrate it.
[14:08:29] <CaptHindsight> lotsa NY/NJ/PA hackerspaces, I'm sure you could work something out
[14:11:41] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com $53
[14:12:04] <fragalot> decent scope for the money
[14:12:53] <pink_vampire> bids
[14:13:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.com
[14:14:34] <pink_vampire> also bid
[14:15:12] <CaptHindsight> buy it now https://www.ebay.com
[14:16:32] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: it doesn't work though
[14:16:36] <CaptHindsight> often they just need the self calibration to pass the self tests
[14:17:00] <CaptHindsight> also tons of USB scopes for $40 and up
[14:17:13] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com what is the speed here?
[14:17:28] <fragalot> pink_vampire: 100ms per division
[14:17:33] <fragalot> (per square)
[14:18:05] <fragalot> so that signal is slow and can be measured with any ratty scope
[14:19:03] <pink_vampire> do you think arduino will be fast enough?
[14:20:11] <fragalot> barely fast enough to get a single one of those pulses in
[14:20:22] <fragalot> and it still needs to be processed & sent to your PC, so no
[14:20:53] <gregcnc> how about this? http://xoscope.sourceforge.net
[14:21:46] <gregcnc> plus the sound card circuit?
[14:22:11] <gregcnc> aren't there similar softwares that use the sound card?
[14:22:45] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com
[14:22:54] <pink_vampire> this is look cool
[14:23:00] <gregcnc> I have a balancing software that uses accelerometers connected to the audio card
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[14:29:07] <pink_vampire> do you know from the screenshot what is the voltage rate?
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[14:39:06] <CaptHindsight> sample using Audacity
[14:39:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.audacityteam.org
[14:40:40] <CaptHindsight> https://www.audacityteam.org
[14:48:45] <fragalot> pink_vampire: it should say on the screen what the voltage per division is
[14:49:08] <fragalot> 500mV/div
[14:50:21] <pink_vampire> mm so it is AC
[14:50:55] <{HD}> Do I want my parallel port to be AT, PS/2, EPP, or ECP?
[14:51:02] <pink_vampire> any idea how to measure +-10V in 0-5 arduino input?
[14:51:29] <fragalot> you need an op-amp to shift and rescale it
[14:51:44] <fragalot> which is, i'm assuing based on your previous questions, above your skill level
[14:52:08] <fragalot> it really is easier to just purchase a cheap scope.. be it a USB scope or a 2nd hand model
[14:52:42] <fragalot> anything above 25Mhz bandwidth would be fine for this
[14:53:22] <pink_vampire> i know
[14:53:41] <pink_vampire> but i want to use the C axis now, not in 4 weeks
[14:58:15] <{HD}> I went with EPO
[14:58:19] <{HD}> EPP*
[15:01:21] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com hey, fresh install here. On first boot I clicked “use default“ for desktop environment. After first re-boot however I no longer see menu bar or launch panel. How do I get these objects back on screen?
[15:03:36] <pink_vampire> terminal > xfce4-panel
[15:03:44] <fragalot> {HD}: I believe that if you right-click the desktop you will get the menus
[15:03:46] <pink_vampire> or something like that
[15:03:49] <fragalot> that's the default for xfce anyway
[15:04:01] * fragalot hasn't used xfce in ~7 years >.>
[15:08:12] <fragalot> gloops: https://imgur.com
[15:08:58] <pink_vampire> ok, laser cutter added to the list
[15:12:16] <{HD}> pink_vampire: ++ xfce4-panel worked! Now I guess I need to add it to a startup script. I thought that would have happened by default ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[15:12:36] <pink_vampire> no need to
[15:12:45] <pink_vampire> just open the startup,
[15:13:08] <{HD}> “The startup”?
[15:13:14] <pink_vampire> i think it is system > startup, and you just add it
[15:13:33] <pink_vampire> one sec i will power the linux cnc machine for you
[15:13:38] <pink_vampire> and take a picture
[15:13:59] <{HD}> Cool! Shouldn’t it have been the default behavior to start the panel every time?
[15:15:18] <fragalot> not necessarily
[15:15:33] <fragalot> the idea behind xfce is a "clean desktop", which excludes the panel
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[15:16:14] <{HD}> fragalot: but I picked “default desktop“ when I first load it. I believe that the default desktop is with the menu and panel.
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[15:16:27] <{HD}> But, I guess I’m wrong. Since that’s not the behavior that was exhibited.
[15:16:32] <fragalot> :P
[15:16:48] <{HD}> fragalot: what DE do you use?
[15:16:59] <fragalot> windows atm >.>
[15:17:01] <pink_vampire> {HD}: settings > session and startup > application autostart
[15:18:21] <{HD}> pink_vampire: do you have “xfce4-panel” in there?
[15:18:40] <{HD}> fragalot: are you running mach?
[15:18:52] <fragalot> oh, no
[15:19:06] <fragalot> the linuxcnc box runs whatever was common almost a decade ago and just starts axis fullscreen
[15:19:06] <pink_vampire> no, i did it the hard way years ago
[15:19:17] <fragalot> so I have no idea what DE it actually uses :D
[15:19:19] <pink_vampire> but just add it to the startup
[15:20:32] <{HD}> Added it. Doing a test reboot now.
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[15:44:10] <{HD}> It works. I am in step conf now trying to find parport address. I think its 378 but I am not 100%
[15:44:16] <{HD}> pink_vampire: ^
[15:44:50] <jthornton> just use 0
[15:45:41] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[15:46:29] <{HD}> Really? Just 0
[15:46:37] <jthornton> aye
[15:47:42] <{HD}> “Test this axis” isn’t working...
[15:48:24] <pink_vampire> test the paraport
[15:48:26] <jthornton> that could be a bunch of issues
[15:49:22] <{HD}> pink_vampire: how?
[15:49:29] <jthornton> if you have for example a G540 test this axis won't work unless you disable the charge pump
[15:49:39] <{HD}> This machine used to work but I had hdd fail.
[15:49:41] <jthornton> it also will not enable an amp
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[15:50:47] <{HD}> I will remember to backup my machine this time...once I get it working again.
[15:51:01] <jthornton> :)
[15:57:30] <{HD}> Hum. Still no dice.
[15:58:43] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[15:59:45] <{HD}> I have some limit switches connected to this parallel port. Is there a way to open up a monitor so I can click those switches and see if it’s even registering?
[16:02:22] <DaViruz> halmeter in the axis menu
[16:02:41] <DaViruz> (you can start it stand alone too if you wish)
[16:02:59] <DaViruz> there is also halscope that lets you view the signals over time
[16:13:40] <{HD}> I will look for those
[16:14:37] <{HD}> It works!
[16:14:54] <CaptHindsight> after 2nd magic boot?
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[16:18:05] <{HD}> “Driver micro stepping” is a multiplier right?
[16:19:38] <CaptHindsight> yes
[16:19:56] <CaptHindsight> micro-steps per full step
[16:24:34] <gloops> hmm, looks like that bomber suspect could have been an irc guy after all
[16:24:46] <gloops> seems he was a prolific internet troll
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[16:26:07] <{HD}> & pul = step
[16:29:23] <CaptHindsight> gloops: nah, just from Florida
[16:31:39] <CaptHindsight> all those alien abductions and probings are adding up
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[16:36:58] <{HD}> Do I need to specify parport base address as 0x378 in&out? Or what? I am getting feedback from limit switches but steppers are still not moving.
[16:39:55] <CaptHindsight> check the polarity of your STEP pulses
[16:41:16] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[16:41:32] <{HD}> CaptHindsight: where would I change that if it were wrong?
[16:41:50] <{HD}> Oh. Invert?
[16:41:52] <pink_vampire> click back
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[16:42:00] <CaptHindsight> yes
[16:42:36] <{HD}> Holy vibrating steppers!
[16:42:43] <{HD}> Something moved!
[16:42:44] <CaptHindsight> \0/
[16:42:50] <andypugh> Many stepper drivers work better with inverted step pulses, 0V for step and 5V for space. Then you set up the drive optos with 5V on the + snd the p-port on the -. Then a step pulse is 5V from the +5 lighting the LED as the current flows into the parport pin. Most parport pins can sink 15mA, but many can only source 3mA, and often only at 3,3V
[16:44:32] <CaptHindsight> I asked around at the show yesterday if any of the robots give you access to the encoders directly
[16:44:53] <CaptHindsight> so you can synchronize things to the motion of the robot arms in real time
[16:45:02] <CaptHindsight> nobody do :(
[16:45:40] <CaptHindsight> #1 reason: we don't want our competitors to RE our robots
[16:45:59] <CaptHindsight> like it's some mystery
[16:46:12] <CaptHindsight> how they use encoders on every joint
[16:46:31] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:53:15] <CaptHindsight> {HD}: http://linuxcnc.org
[16:53:55] <CaptHindsight> {HD}: gets into the LPT configs and modes
[16:57:33] <{HD}> https://imgur.com
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[17:04:54] <andypugh> Do you have a PID on that? It’s moving a bit funny
[17:05:57] <{HD}> No feedback. Its acting very funny! Didn’t act like this before...
[17:06:24] <andypugh> You don’t need feedback to have a PID
[17:07:20] <{HD}> Guess I don’t know what pid is then.
[17:07:52] <Tom_L> how would you know what it's doing with no feedback?
[17:08:17] <andypugh> You can run a PID on the stepgen feedback (the pulses it has _actually_ made) to account for thread variability and stepgen limits.
[17:08:50] <andypugh> How do your stepgen and axis velocity and accel limits compare?
[17:10:05] <XXCoder> damn! my brother had to go out of work building due to bomb threat, and today someone smashed his car window!
[17:10:14] <{HD}> I am currently messing with max velocity and acceleration to see if I can improve it.
[17:10:41] <XXCoder> there must be some anti-goverment group because his co-worker truck window got smashed also
[17:11:16] <XXCoder> whats sad is that my brother works on HELPING people get jobs. I got job by dept he works in
[17:11:25] <XXCoder> some people really is morons
[17:11:29] <{HD}> 1.8°=200 and my driver is set to 800 microsteps so I have a 4 in microstepping.
[17:13:30] <Tom_L> XXCoder you don't understand... some ppl don't want jobs
[17:13:42] <Tom_L> they make their living off of us
[17:14:07] <{HD}> And the direction of the stepper changes randomly...wack!
[17:14:27] <XXCoder> Tom_L: I didn't have a job in consient matter for over 10 years. not having a job doesnt mean dont want a job
[17:14:51] <XXCoder> There is very very few people who does match what you say, but its rare
[17:17:00] <{HD}> Fire! It was on fire! No wonder it was acting wack!
[17:17:02] <{HD}> Hahha
[17:17:48] <XXCoder> your machine was on fire?
[17:18:51] <{HD}> Yea! I had a splice in the wire and it caught the insulation on fire.
[17:19:15] <XXCoder> concerning. did you solder wire together or crimp?
[17:19:18] <XXCoder> or is it just twist
[17:19:41] <{HD}> It was butt crimped
[17:20:15] <{HD}> This is actually a good thing in my opinion. At least something was wrong that I can fix.
[17:23:50] <{HD}> Need to figure out how to connect to my gx16-4 so I dont beed butts
[17:24:06] <XXCoder> but why did it start fire?
[17:24:14] <XXCoder> was wire too thin for amps?
[17:25:39] <XXCoder> they caught bomber that send bunch of bombs
[17:25:54] <XXCoder> and wow his van pictures jeez
[17:25:55] <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
[17:26:23] <SpeedEvil> Part of me is annoyed at the poor quality of his bomb-making.
[17:26:38] <XXCoder> very poor if none exploded
[17:26:55] <SpeedEvil> His twitter is pretty much as you'd expect
[17:27:09] <{HD}> XXCoder: arcing
[17:27:33] <XXCoder> HD interesting. so you just trimmed it some more and made sure theres no possible arc points?
[17:28:46] <{HD}> Well I am currently looking at installing these gx16 connectors but I don’t know how to terminate them. Looks like crimp but I think I will try solder.
[17:30:13] <XXCoder> bleh I wanna restart my cnc project but no room
[17:31:09] <{HD}> What is the project?
[17:31:16] <XXCoder> cnc router :)
[17:31:32] <{HD}> Oh like build one. Ha...
[17:31:56] <XXCoder> I have machine and electric system but I was planning to build a box for electrics and properly rewire but moved to new place, and no room to do anything
[17:32:04] <XXCoder> no, machine is functional
[17:32:10] <XXCoder> made few stuff
[17:32:27] <{HD}> Make room! How large of a machine?
[17:32:48] <XXCoder> small, but nowhere do I have room for it to actually run
[17:35:50] <{HD}> Buy a shed
[17:36:07] <XXCoder> money :) we are planning a shop but may not happen for while
[17:36:28] <XXCoder> an my bro suddenly has extra expense from antigoverment dumbass
[17:38:44] <{HD}> It works! After fixing the fire.
[17:40:19] <CaptHindsight> note to self: Check STEP polarity and for FIRES.
[17:40:29] <XXCoder> lol
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[18:00:01] <{HD}> Nice
[18:00:22] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: apparently trump used a royal we lol
[18:01:07] <XXCoder> reporter asked if he will call obama and clintons after bombing attempts, he says "they wanted me to, but we'll pass"
[18:07:41] <{HD}> I can’t type in G1 anywhere‽
[18:09:37] <CaptHindsight> which open source CAM can take text and engrave not only the outlines but the fill as well?
[18:09:39] <XXCoder> mdi?
[18:10:58] <CaptHindsight> do you have convert vector graphics/text into a 3d model first before any of the open CAM apps can create a tool path?
[18:11:31] <XXCoder> linuxcnc itself can do it actually
[18:11:49] <XXCoder> make a picture specified to size and picture to gpath
[18:12:07] <CaptHindsight> inkscapes gcode tool has created a tool path for the text and graphic outlines but I haven't gotten it to do the fills yet
[18:12:51] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: I tried the LCNC tool, still trying to figure out the settings since it created some odd tool paths
[18:13:48] <XXCoder> yeah? odd. it uses row then column cutting pattern which isnt complex.
[18:14:24] <CaptHindsight> it lets you choose, row or column or row then column or column then row
[18:14:32] <CaptHindsight> or am I thinking of inkscape
[18:14:53] <XXCoder> yeah, order I used is default if I remember right
[18:15:18] <CaptHindsight> I'll keep messing with the settings
[18:15:35] <CaptHindsight> I didn't see a good writeup of how they work
[18:15:47] <CaptHindsight> guess it's supposed to be self explanitory
[18:15:52] <XXCoder> yeah it sucks
[18:16:02] <XXCoder> you have to calculate distance per picel
[18:16:04] <XXCoder> pixel
[18:16:16] <XXCoder> I suggest bigger picture better result
[18:16:38] <CaptHindsight> ok so say I have 1 pixel = the diameter of my end mill say 1mm
[18:17:03] <XXCoder> thats rather small reolution
[18:17:12] <CaptHindsight> calculate what distance per pixel?
[18:17:33] <XXCoder> it took me bit to figure it out but its pretty simple
[18:17:46] <XXCoder> say you want result to be 2 inches wide
[18:17:50] <CaptHindsight> ok
[18:17:55] <XXCoder> supposing logo is edge to edge (not recommanded)
[18:18:12] <CaptHindsight> ok for the sake of discussion
[18:18:13] <XXCoder> so picture happens to be 1000 pixels wide
[18:18:25] <XXCoder> you do 2" / 1000
[18:18:31] <XXCoder> thats distance per pixel
[18:18:43] <CaptHindsight> ok?!
[18:19:06] <CaptHindsight> distance per pixels in say X axis
[18:19:24] <XXCoder> indeed, you calulate y in same way just different numbers
[18:19:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah I'm actually using a 0.5mm tool
[18:19:47] <XXCoder> Z is bit weird, you have final depth, number of passes down
[18:20:04] <CaptHindsight> ah ok if you want depth vs brightness
[18:20:28] <CaptHindsight> Z = low/high = 0 brightness to 256 brightness
[18:20:30] <XXCoder> yeah. you can invert picture if picture happen to have result opposite you want also.
[18:20:51] <XXCoder> that window should have invert picture checkbox
[18:20:53] <CaptHindsight> yeah I inverted and got some odd plane slice through the path
[18:21:13] <CaptHindsight> not what i expected
[18:21:26] <XXCoder> odd
[18:21:32] <CaptHindsight> i just need 2 heights right now
[18:21:36] <XXCoder> tried gcode in camotics or something see what happen
[18:21:59] <CaptHindsight> Z clearance and milling depth since all cuts will be the same depth
[18:22:20] <CaptHindsight> i have real CAM tools here to test
[18:22:31] <CaptHindsight> wanted to see what the open ones might do
[18:22:44] <XXCoder> some of open tools do rock, but some eh
[18:22:49] <XXCoder> cams is very weak area
[18:23:12] <CaptHindsight> I have actually gotten some good paths with pyCAM
[18:23:24] <XXCoder> you have tool such as inkscape to gcode, freecad and linuxcnc itself. few other stuff
[18:23:30] <XXCoder> nice
[18:23:33] <CaptHindsight> seems to be about how you set it up
[18:23:49] <XXCoder> freecad have been ramping up really good on cam but still diffult to use
[18:24:03] <CaptHindsight> the howtos for inkscape to gcode are mostly out of date
[18:24:28] <XXCoder> howtos for freecad cam is riciously out of date also
[18:24:32] <CaptHindsight> i have 2 bit graphics
[18:24:58] <CaptHindsight> so 0 or Black is the cut
[18:25:12] <CaptHindsight> 1 is when the spindle moves Z to clear
[18:25:21] <CaptHindsight> so this should be easy
[18:25:31] <{HD}> How do I run “G28 X“ if I can’t run G code without being homed?
[18:25:45] <CaptHindsight> but so far I have good output for the outlines of the graphics
[18:25:47] <XXCoder> 1 is highest point, you can set it so its still below surface of materal so it also finishes face
[18:25:54] <XXCoder> use blur tool
[18:26:08] <CaptHindsight> not for the fills yet
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[18:27:31] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to eventually write some 5-axis CAM but I'm trying all the open tools out to see if I can expand on something already started or if I should just start from scrath
[18:27:54] <CaptHindsight> scratch
[18:27:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[18:28:24] <XXCoder> sorry video sucks
[18:29:36] <CaptHindsight> just missing some pixels :)
[18:33:28] <XXCoder> lol yep
[18:33:53] <XXCoder> anyway it cuts surface also so it looks great
[18:33:57] <XXCoder> 1/16 ball endmill
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[18:40:15] <jthornton> what's up XXCoder
[18:40:43] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I don't know that this is exactly what you want, but FlatCAM might do fill clearing: http://flatcam.org
[18:40:56] <XXCoder> it sucks, someone went and smashed few of my brother's coworkers car windows
[18:41:02] <XXCoder> including my broither's
[18:41:14] <XXCoder> thats a day right after bombing threat call of yeserday
[18:41:36] <XXCoder> Rab: is it open source?
[18:41:59] <Rab> XXCoder, it is.
[18:42:09] <jthornton> well that sucks, what's their beef?
[18:42:29] <XXCoder> thats good. sometimes people make suggestions and miss certain requirements :) (I do that sometimes)
[18:42:52] <XXCoder> jthornton: no idea, may be copycat from that guy trying to bomb some people, or has beef with DVR, so on
[18:42:55] <CaptHindsight> ok so I took the example torus.png and made it 400 x 400 pixels
[18:43:40] <jthornton> yea lot's a wacko's out there
[18:43:53] <jthornton> pretty much got my new chicken door done
[18:43:57] <XXCoder> jthornton: I got NO idea why, as DVR is nearly best agency in goverment, it helps people get jobs.
[18:44:04] <XXCoder> aka opposite of dole
[18:44:43] <XXCoder> its also one of worse funded ones.. my brother has over 100 cases to manage
[18:46:04] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: so "<XXCoder> you do 2" / 1000" , what do you enter? 0.002?
[18:46:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:46:27] <CaptHindsight> lets try
[18:46:34] <XXCoder> .002" per pixel in picture
[18:49:10] <CaptHindsight> the setting all mention (units)
[18:49:33] <CaptHindsight> so if you choose inches I would hope the 1 unit is 1"
[18:49:48] <CaptHindsight> and if you choose mm then 1 unit is 1mm
[18:50:03] <XXCoder> I think that is so yeah
[18:50:34] <CaptHindsight> I never assume, this should not be up to the user to guess
[18:50:46] <XXCoder> yeah the gui sucks
[18:51:07] <CaptHindsight> just needs some clarification
[18:51:39] <CaptHindsight> happy to do it when i figure it out, a step that should not be required
[18:51:46] <XXCoder> look at top of gui
[18:51:56] <XXCoder> it has g21 or g20 (mm, inches)
[18:52:09] <XXCoder> above "invert image"
[18:52:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it's cranking away so I can't see the gui now
[18:52:31] <CaptHindsight> another annoying feature
[18:52:46] <CaptHindsight> don't hide the screen that you just setup
[18:52:56] <XXCoder> I dont think anyone worked on that thing for long while
[18:53:03] <CaptHindsight> OK done, lets see what it did
[18:53:16] <CaptHindsight> yeah better than nothing
[18:53:36] <XXCoder> engine works fine, I think it shouldnt make you calculate inch/pixel or whatever, just input final size you want and it calculates by itself
[18:54:11] <XXCoder> say I want size to be 2 inches on X and "same ratio" for Y it does all itself. or can input y seperately if I wanna alter ratio
[18:54:50] <CaptHindsight> 45K lines
[18:54:58] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to play with it
[18:54:58] <XXCoder> yep millions of g1s
[18:55:32] <CaptHindsight> I see what they were trying to do
[18:55:47] <CaptHindsight> but you can also adjsut the artwork before going to CAM
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[18:56:02] <XXCoder> yep you can use blur to soften edges a little for example
[18:56:34] <CaptHindsight> I can easily see whats going to happen if 1 pixel is the same size as the cutting toolr if the pixel is larger than the cutting tool
[18:57:04] <XXCoder> ix pixel is larger than tool then picture is too small
[18:57:22] <CaptHindsight> I can now see some of the crazy output is when a pixel is smaller than the cutting tool dia
[18:58:40] <XXCoder> you mean larger?
[18:58:49] <CaptHindsight> say your cutting tool is a laser
[18:59:04] <CaptHindsight> it might be fixed at 0.01mm
[18:59:29] <CaptHindsight> or even 0.1mm
[19:00:27] <CaptHindsight> unless you want to get into all sorts of scaling and averaging you want the artwork 1:1 with the laser spot dia , 1 pixel = 0.1mm
[19:00:54] <Rab> Inkscape+gcodetools is pretty cool, but it has some serious issues. E.g. the paths in Inkscape have directionality, which gcodetools uses to define the cutting path. So if you want e.g. climb instead of conventional milling on a path, you have to know to flip it in Inkscape.
[19:01:46] <Rab> And I don't know of any quick way to find the path direction, other than running path-to-gcode to see the preview arrows.
[19:01:52] <CaptHindsight> Rab: using it to laser engrave is my first goal with inkscape
[19:02:09] <Rab> Although I guess you could turn on start arrows for the path.
[19:02:46] <CaptHindsight> don't care about direction as long as it traces the outlines and performs the fills
[19:03:05] <CaptHindsight> I'd actually prefet vector trace and fills vs raster scanning the output
[19:03:14] <CaptHindsight> prefet/prefer
[19:03:19] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I don't know if Inkscape lets you use a path design for fill textures, but that could be one way. Make a texture with like a window blind path, and fill the shape.
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[19:04:03] <CaptHindsight> Rab: I've seen some use it for laser engraving with fills
[19:04:12] <CaptHindsight> but no howto yet
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[19:05:54] <diverdude> it seems arduino type boards are preferred to control stepper motors and similar. why are raspberry pies not used fr this sort of work...they cost more or less the same
[19:06:52] <CaptHindsight> http://kiskz.ucoz.hu laser engraving with inkscape
[19:07:14] <CaptHindsight> diverdude: not preferred by me :)
[19:07:52] <CaptHindsight> some people are just *duino fanboys
[19:07:56] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: what do you prefer?
[19:08:05] <CaptHindsight> STM32
[19:08:41] <CaptHindsight> Rpi's need a way to software step (toggle IO pins)
[19:08:43] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: is that comparable with raspberry pi?
[19:08:53] <CaptHindsight> they are different
[19:09:00] <jthornton> you can run LinuxCNC on a RPi
[19:09:10] <XXCoder> whats latency like
[19:09:33] <CaptHindsight> duinos use a lower speed ARM cpu with limited memory and no GPU
[19:10:08] <CaptHindsight> an Rpi is a high speed ARM cpu without IO's that can be toggled in real time repeatedly
[19:10:23] <CaptHindsight> but has lots of memory and a GPU to run a GUI
[19:10:28] <andypugh> I would have said that dedicated drivers are preferred for driving steppers (TB6600, Pololu, Gecko, Leadshine) and then the source of the step pulses is personal choice. (Though anyone who doesn’t choose LinuxCNC is an imbecile)
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[19:10:50] <jthornton> lol
[19:10:56] <CaptHindsight> what Andy said
[19:11:00] <XXCoder> andypugh: agreed, though depends on driver quality, tb6560 is shit'
[19:11:05] <XXCoder> tb6600 works well
[19:11:49] <pcw_mesa_> An RPI + some PowerStep01s would work (I plan to make such a beast when I get a chance)
[19:11:53] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[19:11:54] <CaptHindsight> diverdude: stm32 is similar to *duinos but are lower priced and much higher speed
[19:11:59] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[19:12:16] <XXCoder> jthornton: nice!
[19:12:28] <jthornton> thanks
[19:13:23] <CaptHindsight> Rpi to PowerStep01 over SPI?
[19:13:39] <pcw_mesa_> look nice and gravity fall so no guillotined chickens
[19:14:09] <XXCoder> eh random chance of chicken meal ;)
[19:14:13] <jthornton> yea just a string and a piece of 3/16" hardboard
[19:14:18] <pcw_mesa_> yes PowerStep01 have SPI interface
[19:14:28] <pcw_mesa_> 80V 10A
[19:14:42] <jthornton> is the PowerStep01 a kit of some kind or some off the shelf thing?
[19:14:57] <pcw_mesa_> of the shelf chip
[19:15:03] <CaptHindsight> https://www.st.com
[19:15:22] <jthornton> yea I'm looking at it but it looks like a credit card
[19:15:48] <CaptHindsight> small
[19:15:49] <pcw_mesa_> thats the demo board the chip is pretty tiny
[19:16:22] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com
[19:16:31] <jthornton> ah so you have to have some boards made with that chip?
[19:16:43] <CaptHindsight> yes
[19:17:04] <XXCoder> wiring connectors is interesting
[19:17:17] <CaptHindsight> QFN 11 x 14 mm
[19:17:18] <pcw_mesa_> 11x14 mm
[19:18:08] <CaptHindsight> 5 mhz SPI so maybe 400KHZ max steps?
[19:18:30] <pcw_mesa_> the steprate is not dependent on the SPI rate
[19:19:16] <CaptHindsight> so no sync after the steps get sent over SPI
[19:19:33] <CaptHindsight> sync between axes
[19:19:35] <pcw_mesa_> steps are not sent over SPI
[19:19:47] <CaptHindsight> but open loop is open loop
[19:20:18] <pcw_mesa_> velocities are sent and position would be read back just as linuxCNC works now
[19:20:35] <CaptHindsight> potato potato
[19:20:58] <pcw_mesa_> it has a built in trajectory generator
[19:23:05] <jthornton> pretty cool
[19:29:30] <pcw_mesa_> yeah so is ok with just a servo thread (which a RPI can handle)
[19:29:54] <CaptHindsight> 24V SPI
[19:30:44] <CaptHindsight> or maybe SPI to differential then back to SPI
[19:31:04] <pcw_mesa_> PowerStep01 SPI is 3.3V but it would need to be isolated
[19:31:27] <pcw_mesa_> especially for 4 or so axis
[19:31:40] <pcw_mesa_> lots of noise on the 80V GND
[19:31:42] <diverdude> anybody in here has experience with FTDI chips?
[19:31:53] <CaptHindsight> + noise immunity
[19:32:27] <CaptHindsight> diverdude: lots of clones
[19:32:46] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: ok - how so you usually communicate with them?
[19:32:52] <CaptHindsight> so flakey results based on if you have a real FTDI device vs clone
[19:32:58] <pcw_mesa_> galvanic isolation only takes 4 signals
[19:33:07] <CaptHindsight> USB to serial
[19:33:17] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: you on linux?
[19:33:29] <CaptHindsight> usually
[19:33:42] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: so you program using libftdi?
[19:33:57] <pcw_mesa_> Yeah they have a a serial looking API on the OS side (as one option)
[19:34:25] <CaptHindsight> diverdude: haven't had to in 10+ years
[19:34:57] <CaptHindsight> back to CAM, ugghh
[19:35:10] <pcw_mesa_> we used them in some early FPGA boards (but dont use them anymore) They were OK for what they do
[19:35:11] <diverdude> CaptHindsight: i have a driver with an ftdi chip...so i tried communicating with it from python...it works first time i connect to it, but next time it just hangs for some reason...as if its not properly shut down the first time
[19:35:44] <pcw_mesa_> yeah Ive seen their driver crash windows...
[19:35:58] <diverdude> and the document describing the seria communication with that driver is just totally impossible to understand :/
[19:36:27] <pcw_mesa_> just looks like a com port
[19:36:40] <diverdude> pcw_mesa_: yeah...should be like a com port
[19:37:09] <diverdude> pcw_mesa_: i think i can use a serial monitor to communicate with it - but i did not have any success with that :(`
[19:37:13] <pcw_mesa_> our (ancient) software that accesses it is the same for com ports and USB
[19:37:43] <pcw_mesa_> just different com port number
[19:38:00] <diverdude> pcw_mesa_: its mounted under /dev/ttyUSB0
[19:38:29] <pcw_mesa_> (we were not even using serial on the other side of the adapter but the 8 bit wide FIFO mode)
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[19:42:14] <CaptHindsight> somebody needs to make serial controlled steppers for <$100
[19:43:19] <CaptHindsight> larger nema23 or nema34 for ,$200ea
[19:43:51] <pcw_mesa_> I think a Ethernet controlled 4 axis drive is doable withe the PowerStep01s for <$200
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[19:45:16] <pcw_mesa_> a RS422 controlled motor/integrated drive should be less than $100
[19:45:19] <CaptHindsight> was looking at the i/mx8 but it's taking forever for linux
[19:46:03] <CaptHindsight> hey china start making them before the tariffs go up
[19:46:21] <CaptHindsight> ah but they would be half crap anyway
[19:46:30] <CaptHindsight> US made for $100
[19:47:03] <CaptHindsight> though i was starting to see decent servo motors out of China
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[19:47:52] <XXCoder> tariff wars suck
[19:48:18] <CaptHindsight> well there is a bigger game being played
[19:48:44] <CaptHindsight> China's expansion into the south China sea
[19:49:32] <CaptHindsight> it's not just about the lop sided tariffs
[19:51:14] <CaptHindsight> https://thediplomat.com
[19:52:35] <XXCoder> by 2049 thats long range plan
[19:53:00] <XXCoder> unfortunately china has conceraton camps now
[19:53:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah, have had for a while
[19:53:18] <CaptHindsight> just more now
[19:53:27] <CaptHindsight> not fun there any more
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[19:53:30] <XXCoder> I wonder if we will evenually put stop to that
[19:53:37] <CaptHindsight> glad i didn't stay
[19:53:55] <XXCoder> nazi germany we fought because that country was warring everywhere
[19:54:02] <XXCoder> china isnt warring anyone at this time
[19:54:22] <CaptHindsight> ? we are currently on the way to getting them here if the Great Pumpkin gets his way
[19:54:51] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: they are pushing and shoving vs invading right now
[19:55:01] <CaptHindsight> look into the Spratly islands
[19:55:10] <XXCoder> yeah but not offically at war yet
[19:55:33] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org
[19:55:40] <CaptHindsight> no war, you don't want that
[19:55:49] <CaptHindsight> you just push your way in
[19:56:05] <XXCoder> lol something new in spam emails: blood sugar parasites
[19:56:49] <CaptHindsight> they have also invested in securing right to raw materials in Africa
[19:57:24] <CaptHindsight> trade money and infrastructure projects for access to ports, and minerals
[19:58:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.chinatravelnews.com
[19:59:06] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ft.com
[19:59:15] <XXCoder> wow interesting https://www.indiegogo.com
[20:00:52] <CaptHindsight> does it also spy on you or help you be spied on?
[20:01:44] <XXCoder> no idea really. though its first eink tablet (not ebook) and it can do 30 fps or so
[20:01:47] <XXCoder> so pretty cool
[20:02:00] <XXCoder> might buy one to turn into commucation tool at work
[20:02:13] <XXCoder> 370 bucks biut much though
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[20:06:28] <SpeedEvil> Err...
[20:06:41] <SpeedEvil> Root the appropriate kindle
[20:06:57] <XXCoder> kindle dont do 30 fps it does 1/2
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[20:07:30] <andypugh> “Protect your eyes from LCD” They lost me 100% with the sales pitch
[20:07:40] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com
[20:08:07] <SpeedEvil> Angry Birds on Rooted Nook Touch
[20:08:10] <XXCoder> thats nook
[20:09:03] <andypugh> Why do I need to protect my eyes from LCD? As far as I know they emit or reflect photons, and my eyes are OK with photons.
[20:09:52] <XXCoder> how much computer do you use?
[20:12:04] <SpeedEvil> I thoguht I'd seen a similar video on a recent kindle, but can't find ATM
[20:15:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[20:16:02] <Loetmichel> ups
[20:16:06] <Loetmichel> wrong channel
[20:17:26] <pink_vampire> is it safe? https://www.virustotal.com
[20:18:14] <XXCoder> backdoors is very nope
[20:18:42] <pink_vampire> but non of the other show a problem
[20:19:22] <XXCoder> those can only detect known ones, so not all has complete databases
[20:22:21] <Glorfindel> andypugh: backlights are hard on your eyes, especially if it's dark
[20:22:37] <Glorfindel> though LCD is oddly specific
[20:23:29] <SpeedEvil> Glorfindel: I do not find that to be true.
[20:23:41] <SpeedEvil> Some people of course may.
[20:23:55] <Glorfindel> have you read a book in the dark
[20:24:10] <SpeedEvil> Read a large slice of a gigabyte that way
[20:24:16] <Loetmichel> Glorfindel: nope
[20:24:34] <Glorfindel> Loetmichel: nope what
[20:24:35] <Loetmichel> the CONTRAST bewtween surroundings and a BRIGHT LCD is hard on your eyes
[20:24:39] <XXCoder> Glorfindel: lcds is everywhere so not surpised
[20:24:43] <Loetmichel> no danger on some monitors though
[20:25:36] <Glorfindel> Loetmichel: I could have worded it better, but even dim screens in a dark room can give you a headache and can be harmful
[20:25:46] <SpeedEvil> Glorfindel: For some people.
[20:26:09] <Glorfindel> SpeedEvil: well, I think you are an exception, rather than a rule, afatg :P
[20:26:21] <Loetmichel> Glorfindel: its still the contrast to the surroundings, not the LCD itself
[20:26:43] <Loetmichel> even a dimmed TFT is a lot brigher than a dark room
[20:26:49] <Glorfindel> Loetmichel: the lcd causes the contrast, so stop nitpicking
[20:26:52] <SpeedEvil> Reader software and constrast htat can reduce brightness way down are useful.
[20:27:07] <SpeedEvil> My tablet can go so low that I can't read it at normal speed
[20:27:48] <Loetmichel> Glorfindel: i meant that that can happen with any small viewing angle light source that you stare at while in the dark
[20:28:08] <Loetmichel> a small window in a dark building for example would just have the same effect
[20:28:11] <Glorfindel> so... any screen?
[20:28:12] <Glorfindel> oh
[20:28:26] <andypugh> LCD = bad OLED = not bad?
[20:28:39] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: 'no'
[20:29:07] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: The flicker and brightness range on both can overlap and specific models be a lot more flickery with a minimum brightness than others of the other technology.
[20:29:18] <andypugh> As I said, the sales pitch lost me in the first sentence, that was my point.
[20:29:26] <Loetmichel> there is an easy solution for monitors though: just install some lights on the back of the TFT
[20:29:44] <Loetmichel> so its surroundings are not dark as a coal sack ;)
[20:30:35] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: what flicker on a TFT?
[20:30:40] <andypugh> I am actually really sensitive to flicker (hate LED tail lights) but have far more issue with CRT than LCD monitors.
[20:31:08] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: backlight flicker is unfortunately a thing, especially at very low brightness settings on many monitors.
[20:31:31] <SpeedEvil> Some monitors do not have perceptual flicker.
[20:31:38] <SpeedEvil> The TFT panel itself does not flicker.
[20:31:46] <andypugh> I haven’t tried an LED-illuminated LCD screen yet. I _think_ my Mac is CFL iluminated (pre retina) and my phone is OLED
[20:31:58] <Loetmichel> andypugh: LED tail lights would be OK if the car manufacturers wouldnt be to cheap to install some smooting caps and/OR use a much higher PWM frequency
[20:32:15] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Genau
[20:32:39] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: also for PWM reasons or more for inconsistencys in the brightness signal?
[20:33:07] <SpeedEvil> TFT panels refresh from the top to the bottom more or less consistently and do not cause flicker other than that imposed by the backlight.
[20:33:23] <Loetmichel> i know
[20:33:32] <Loetmichel> i meant the backlight flicker
[20:33:35] <SpeedEvil> CRT refresh is very, very different, and most of the light comes out in 1/500th or so of the picture area.
[20:34:12] <andypugh> I do like my e-ink original Kindle display bit I have got so used to reading books on my phone that I rarely pick it up any more.
[20:34:43] <Loetmichel> andypugh: e-ink is really nice... but to slow for video
[20:34:53] <SpeedEvil> Backlight flicker depends on the backlight circuitry design, it is entirely possible to make non-visible PWM, or smooth the current. But this is not done for $, or lack of care reasons.
[20:34:57] <Loetmichel> for reading books/PDFs its great though
[20:35:32] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: https://www.indiegogo.com
[20:35:45] <XXCoder> that ones fast enough. bit expensive tho
[20:35:48] <SpeedEvil> - it doesn't show on tests, and is not visible at high brightness in most office conditions, so is often neglected.
[20:36:12] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: so its the PWM. i once had a monitor that flickered visible on low settings... wasn ean easy fix though: 100N on the "dim" line and that flickering was gone
[20:36:41] <Loetmichel> so it was the brightness signal that was flickering, not the PWM circuit... hence me asking
[20:36:44] <andypugh> The odd thing is that the phone and the Kindle synch, so I can read the same book on both, but generally read on the phone, even if the kindle is less than a metre away. I don’t entirely understand why. Possibly convenienience of not swapping devices when a message comes in or I see a concept in the book that I absolutely have to look up on Wikipedia.
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[20:36:59] <Loetmichel> 100nF
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[20:43:04] <{HD}> Does 10tpi = 10 rev/in?
[20:43:31] <infornography> should
[20:44:37] <{HD}> I must have something else messed up then.
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[20:44:49] <CaptHindsight> 400 x 400 pix in image2gcode is taking an eternity
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[20:47:17] <{HD}> When I have my 10 tpi set it moves x2 as far as it should...
[20:48:47] <CaptHindsight> is your microstepping off by 2x?
[20:49:34] <{HD}> I believe my driver is set to 400 micro steps. And my motors are 1.8°. So I have my motor steps per revolution equal to 200 and my driver micro stepping equal to 2
[20:49:35] <CaptHindsight> using pulleys?
[20:49:52] <{HD}> Couplers to leadscrews
[20:50:04] <{HD}> So 1:1
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[20:52:12] <CaptHindsight> sounds like your drive is not stepping 2:1 or your screw pitch is only 5tpi vs 10 tpi
[20:52:30] <CaptHindsight> easy enough to measure the screws pitch
[20:52:52] <CaptHindsight> which stepper driver are these?
[20:52:53] <{HD}> I just did...I have my thread gauge sitting right here.
[20:53:14] <{HD}> Geko clones
[20:53:32] <CaptHindsight> sometimes you don't see your own mistakes
[20:53:44] <CaptHindsight> have a link to the drives config switches
[20:54:14] <CaptHindsight> even worse with Chinglish instructions and ON means OFF
[20:55:10] <CaptHindsight> I have a drive where to turn off the charge pump you have to set it to ON
[20:56:05] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[20:56:24] <{HD}> Its right on the side of the driver but I cannot get my camera in there.
[20:57:16] <{HD}> 400 must not = 400
[20:57:56] <CaptHindsight> looks to me like you have it set to 200
[20:58:51] <CaptHindsight> 400= OFF ON ON ON
[20:58:58] <CaptHindsight> kind of fuzzy
[21:00:02] <infornography> I can't read that
[21:00:47] <{HD}> infornography: yea its right next to live wires so I am not going to reach in there.
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[21:01:16] <CaptHindsight> looks like you are currently On On ON ON = 200
[21:01:19] <{HD}> The 1st number in that list is 400 but if it was supposed to be 200 then it adds up.
[21:01:58] <CaptHindsight> flip SW5 to OFF and lets see
[21:02:32] <CaptHindsight> golly jesus the CAM finished
[21:04:10] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[21:04:33] <{HD}> Had to change it to on off on on before it was right
[21:04:41] <{HD}> That doesn’t add up
[21:11:26] <{HD}> 400 must = 200 or something else in the config isn’t adding up.
[21:12:09] <CaptHindsight> Chinese clones rarely have accurate info
[21:13:03] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[21:15:22] <{HD}> What should I set my micro-stepping to? 800 maybe more?
[21:16:14] <CaptHindsight> set it on the drive or in stepconf?
[21:16:28] <{HD}> On the drive.
[21:16:57] <CaptHindsight> do you have another stepper motor and drive you can test?
[21:17:12] <CaptHindsight> verify that it is a 200 step per rev motor
[21:17:45] <CaptHindsight> the scale setting in LCNC works
[21:18:12] <{HD}> Well it behaves the same for my 10tpi y axis too
[21:18:14] <CaptHindsight> you might be surprised but what you have for a motor and /or a drive
[21:18:21] <{HD}> So I think it must be the driver
[21:19:04] <CaptHindsight> the silkscreen table is likely not accurate
[21:19:08] <{HD}> Although I don’t remember having this problem on previous config.
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[21:55:45] <pink_vampire> how do i calculate the acceleration in the ini file?
[21:57:57] <CaptHindsight> increasing it until you loose steps or stalls
[21:58:06] <CaptHindsight> lose/loose
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[22:13:43] <pink_vampire> i'm trying to make it work with a scope
[22:29:15] <XXCoder> hey
[22:29:23] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[22:29:57] <{HD}> I feel like this is a bug. Listen to this...
[22:30:18] <{HD}> I set my driver to 400.
[22:30:40] <CaptHindsight> figured out how to work with image2gcode \0/
[22:31:00] <{HD}> Then I say motor steps per revolution to 400. Driver micro stepping to one. And the lead screw pitch to one.
[22:31:10] <XXCoder> way to go! CaptHindsight what did you figure out finally?
[22:31:16] <{HD}> Then when I set it to move 1 inch the motor spins one revolution.
[22:31:26] <CaptHindsight> installed flatcam also in the meantime
[22:32:00] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: it was the safety distance that kept throwing me off or the models
[22:32:14] <XXCoder> ahh you set it higher or something?
[22:32:32] <CaptHindsight> the safety Z area shows up as an opaque area above the paths
[22:32:35] <CaptHindsight> NICE
[22:32:49] <CaptHindsight> blocks the view of wht the hell is actually going on
[22:33:08] <XXCoder> oh yeah. you could turn off rapids so you can see
[22:33:21] <CaptHindsight> when i used 0 all became clear
[22:33:40] <CaptHindsight> firkin rstabanging frumfurter
[22:33:48] <roycroft> do any of you have a belt grinder?
[22:34:02] <XXCoder> not me, but I do want one evenually
[22:34:08] <pink_vampire> no
[22:34:21] <roycroft> i'm trying to sort out what is a good maximum speed for the one i'm making
[22:34:31] <roycroft> i'm thinking 3000ft/min is probably good
[22:34:40] <roycroft> but with the setup i have now i can't get near that fast
[22:34:50] <XXCoder> ray does those belts say what its good for speed wise
[22:35:02] <CaptHindsight> I have a 12" wide belt sander that I use as a grinder at times
[22:35:15] <roycroft> i'm making a 2x72 grinder
[22:36:03] <CaptHindsight> 12 x 36 here
[22:36:12] <roycroft> actually, i just redid the calculation
[22:36:38] <roycroft> with the drive wheel i have now and the motor i have, i should max out at 2880ft/min
[22:36:40] <roycroft> cool
[22:36:54] <CaptHindsight> x2 so 12 x 72
[22:37:13] <roycroft> i don't want to spend $90 on another drive wheel when i have a brand new one already
[22:37:34] <roycroft> i'm tired of not having made this
[22:37:42] <CaptHindsight> mines geared down
[22:37:55] <roycroft> i bought the motor, vfd, and wheels for it two years ago
[22:38:23] <roycroft> and i've been using my wimpy little 1x48 grinder all this time
[22:38:26] <CaptHindsight> ~700 ft minute
[22:38:38] <roycroft> i have a vfd, capthindsight
[22:38:42] <roycroft> it can go slower no problem
[22:38:44] <XXCoder> rpy did you see those handheld belt sander?
[22:38:53] <roycroft> yes, i've seen those
[22:38:58] <XXCoder> one inch wide and I think loop is 2 ft or so?
[22:39:20] <roycroft> i'm making one based on jeremy schmidt's design
[22:39:32] <CaptHindsight> picked mine up from CL for $200
[22:41:02] <roycroft> i just hope i don't regret buying the motor that i did
[22:41:03] <roycroft> it's 2hp
[22:41:15] <roycroft> and a lot of the knifemakers are using 3hp motors
[22:41:24] <CaptHindsight> i found a bunch of 3-4K rpm brushed DC motors
[22:41:30] <roycroft> but the baldor belt grinder that i have now is 1/3hp
[22:41:39] <roycroft> so the 2hp one will definitely be an upgrade :)
[22:41:44] <roycroft> this motor is weird
[22:41:47] <roycroft> it's 2750rpm
[22:41:53] <roycroft> which is a very strange speed
[22:41:55] <roycroft> but oh well
[22:42:05] <roycroft> it's also rated for a vfd
[22:42:17] <roycroft> so i can spin it slow without letting the magic smoke out
[22:42:24] * {HD} just broke his dial indicator stand.
[22:42:43] <roycroft> sounds like an opportunity to get a nice noga
[22:43:49] <{HD}> $100!
[22:44:02] <roycroft> amazing indicator holders
[22:44:10] <roycroft> you'll make up that $100 in saved time quickly
[22:45:31] <roycroft> i've decided to make a glass platen right away
[22:45:49] <roycroft> i don't see any point in making a steel one that i'll likely end up replacing soon
[22:46:42] <pink_vampire> {HD}: how did you manage to brake it?
[22:49:15] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[22:49:38] <pink_vampire> paper thin
[22:50:06] <pink_vampire> where it is go in the stand?
[22:50:11] <XXCoder> roycroft: noga is nice, I have deburr tools its nice
[22:50:29] <XXCoder> I dont have indictor base and arm, too epensive and shop has bunch of em anyway
[22:50:49] <{HD}> It was part of the thumbscrew that would hold the indicator on.
[22:51:02] <{HD}> I over tightened apparently
[22:51:44] <pink_vampire> LOL
[22:51:59] <pink_vampire> just make a new one with the cnc
[22:52:13] <XXCoder> you certainly did, I ca see steaching lol
[22:52:33] <XXCoder> you that famous star/former calfornia goverator?
[22:54:20] <roycroft> i have a small noga indicator holder
[22:54:29] <roycroft> i am going to get a larger one soon
[22:54:40] <XXCoder> my small one is pure chinseium one
[22:55:10] <pink_vampire> {HD}: https://i.imgur.com i made the brass part
[22:56:34] <{HD}> pink_vampire: that’s exactly what I need.
[22:56:54] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: make a bunch and sell on ebay or something?
[22:57:05] <pink_vampire> are you in the NY/NJ/PA area?
[22:57:08] <XXCoder> dunno if can make profit lol
[22:57:42] <pink_vampire> https://imgur.com
[22:58:03] <XXCoder> that is fanastic
[22:58:32] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: how much do you think i should sell it for?
[22:58:58] <{HD}> I am a few more states west than that.
[22:59:03] <XXCoder> no idea, certainly more money than material cost, machine time and your time
[23:02:24] <{HD}> Does Linux CNC have the calibration theater that Mark three has? The one where you say move an inch then you can tell it how far it actually moved and it does the calculations for you.
[23:03:09] <XXCoder> how does that work anyway
[23:03:58] <{HD}> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:04:17] <XXCoder> how does it get actual move data?
[23:04:28] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: the brass part allow you to connect a dial indicator from the back side
[23:04:37] <XXCoder> I know :)
[23:05:21] <roycroft> seems like you'd put something of a known dimension in the vise and touch off on both sides
[23:05:23] <{HD}> XXCoder: you measure it
[23:05:28] <roycroft> like a precision 1-2-3 block or a gage block
[23:05:32] <{HD}> Yep
[23:05:40] <XXCoder> cool
[23:05:54] <SpeedEvil> Does this count as safety wire? https://i.imgur.com
[23:06:09] <{HD}> Classic
[23:06:35] <XXCoder> lol
[23:06:56] <XXCoder> why dont guy thread all bolts and use safety wire on that?
[23:07:56] <{HD}> The safety wired the wrenches on haha
[23:14:19] <{HD}> Ugh!!! Acme engagement points!
[23:14:26] <{HD}> 10tpi 2 starts!
[23:14:29] <XXCoder> ?
[23:14:52] <pink_vampire> your machine is metric?
[23:15:23] <{HD}> My math was wack because these acme rods are 2 starts.
[23:15:35] <{HD}> Does 2 starts = metric?
[23:15:41] <pink_vampire> no
[23:15:53] <XXCoder> 2 starts hm yeah that would mess with your math yes
[23:17:05] <{HD}> Can’t believe I didn’t remember that.
[23:20:49] <{HD}> My 1” = .998 is that good enough? I am tired of trying to calibrate this thing.
[23:21:00] <XXCoder> whats your case case anyway
[23:21:24] <XXCoder> *user case
[23:22:12] <pink_vampire> you are using acme screw, not ball screw - you ill get backless
[23:22:23] <XXCoder> backlash
[23:22:30] <pink_vampire> h
[23:22:39] <XXCoder> not if he sets preload stuff
[23:22:47] <XXCoder> or maybe just less
[23:22:56] <{HD}> Yes I have backlash compensation nuts in place.
[23:23:27] <{HD}> I have to measurable backlash. Just 1” doesn’t quite = 1”
[23:23:28] <XXCoder> do same measuring at various locations at your machine
[23:23:39] <XXCoder> if its same everywhere just adjust your steps per inch
[23:24:14] <{HD}> XXCoder: thats how the mach3 auto calibration worked.
[23:24:15] <XXCoder> also try move your machine by hand when its in holding see if you can move something around that may be source of backlash
[23:24:21] <XXCoder> ah cool
[23:24:45] <{HD}> Would be cool if linuxcnc had a similar tool.
[23:25:21] <XXCoder> new steps per mm = old steps per mm * ( commanded distance / actual distance)
[23:25:37] <XXCoder> change mm to inch
[23:26:42] <pink_vampire> I'm working with metric machine, but by tools are 80% imperial
[23:28:51] <{HD}> XXCoder: yep. I’ll try to calculate it further.
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[23:29:30] <XXCoder> another 2 mail bombs found
[23:29:34] <XXCoder> dang'
[23:29:48] <XXCoder> wonder if its from same guy or different one
[23:30:04] <roycroft> that should slow down now that the maga bomber is in custody
[23:30:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:30:29] <XXCoder> people is still trying to make him into democrat
[23:31:05] <roycroft> i don't care what he is/was, as long as he's no longer able to perpetrate acts of terrorism
[23:31:29] <XXCoder> indeed. other side is people is also trying to say that he has mental illness. maybe it is, maybe it isnt
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[23:31:47] <XXCoder> but whats annoying is that if white, its always mental illness, while darker its always terrorism
[23:32:02] <roycroft> there should be no "sides" to people's reaction to terrorism
[23:32:39] <XXCoder> yep, if someone sent bomb to trump, I would be against that person and call that person terrorist
[23:32:52] <XXCoder> because terrorist is a terrorist period
[23:33:12] <roycroft> correct
[23:33:32] <roycroft> there are bad members of almost any group of any appreciable size
[23:33:38] <XXCoder> I may hope trump die in most stupidest way possible but not assasated
[23:33:44] <roycroft> those bad members should not define the group
[23:34:13] <XXCoder> I figured out this law: Subgroup law: For any group or subgroup, there is a subgroups in it
[23:34:56] <XXCoder> because people is all unique, there is no exceptions
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[23:48:10] <{HD}> None went off?
[23:49:11] <roycroft> if you're talking about the pipe bombs, my understanding is that they did not have detonaters
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[23:49:33] <roycroft> that did not render them safe - just less likely to explode
[23:50:32] <XXCoder> fbi recently said it could have exploded but didnt say about deonators
[23:51:09] <roycroft> but instilling fear is a definition of terrorism, so even if they were only intended to scare people they're still very serious acts
[23:52:12] <roycroft> i read a report that said that, xxcoder, but i don't know the basis for the report
[23:52:30] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:52:35] <XXCoder> I dont know either
[23:54:57] <roycroft> director wray said "these are not hoax devices", but did not elaborate further
[23:55:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:55:11] <XXCoder> maybe still researching
[23:55:43] <XXCoder> those csi shows gives us too much expection of speedy solution within a day, with commerical breaks
[23:58:43] <roycroft> my primary interest in this whole situation was that the pepertrator be stopped as soon as possible
[23:58:51] <roycroft> and it appears that may have happened
[23:59:14] <roycroft> if there was a tie to a known terrorist group i'd also be interested
[23:59:32] <roycroft> but so far it appears to be a lone wolf nutcase