#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-10-27

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[00:00:11] <XXCoder> maybe though I really hate "lone wolf" as its been used even when white person is in a known hate group
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[01:21:13] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be
[01:21:51] <XXCoder> brilliant solution really
[01:22:10] <XXCoder> and it makes two useable sheets out of one block. zero waste
[01:24:54] <roycroft> i cannot watch teh youtube for the next week and a half
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[01:25:44] <XXCoder> aw too bad. its fairly show video how egg foam gets made
[01:26:01] <XXCoder> they just use one block of foam and special machine with one stright edge blade
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[01:26:13] <XXCoder> I always thought it was blade thats wavey but nope
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[01:31:44] <gloops> that machine looks scary
[01:32:07] <XXCoder> yeah its not something you should touch lol
[01:38:52] <XXCoder> I wouldnt either
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[02:09:37] <CaptHindsight> takes back the thread per inch counter from {HD}
[02:10:20] <CaptHindsight> hands him a Twizzler
[02:10:24] <CaptHindsight> cherry
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[03:07:15] <trentster> Howdy all.
[03:08:59] <trentster> So, I guess the Chinese 2.2Kw spindles are not really designed to cut aluminium, I am not getting this high pitched noise when I cut in the Y direction, I assume this is spindle bearings. If so, worth replacing bearings or just buying a new spindle?
[03:09:05] <trentster> Opinions please?
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[03:14:58] <Deejay> moin
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[03:46:50] <Loetmichel> trentster: they are
[03:47:01] <Loetmichel> whatn machine do you try it on?
[03:47:44] <trentster> Loetmichel: on my DIY router machine.
[03:48:48] <trentster> https://monosnap.com
[03:51:04] <Loetmichel> that looks fairly stable and rigid
[03:51:18] <Loetmichel> what feeds/doc/cutter do you use?
[03:51:25] <trentster> Yeah for a DIY its pretty solid.
[03:51:54] <Loetmichel> chattering in one direction and not the other usually means that the frame is not as rigid in that direction than the other
[03:51:54] <trentster> For Alu generally high rpm and 1single flue cutters
[03:52:04] <trentster> its not chattering
[03:52:17] <trentster> its like a high pitched whining noise.
[03:52:28] <Loetmichel> that usually IS chattering
[03:52:36] <Loetmichel> just high frequency one
[03:52:44] <Loetmichel> it could be the bearings but i doubt it
[03:52:51] <trentster> At first I thought it was my wife (Just kidding) ;)
[03:53:26] <Loetmichel> i ask about feeds/speeds because i use a smaller 800W spindle on the far less rigid CNC 6040
[03:54:02] <Loetmichel> ... and i do alu just fine with a 2mm two flute tungsten carbide bit and 120mm/min at 0,15mm DOC
[03:54:13] <trentster> BTW I have been using this spindle for years on previous machines, first time I have heard this noise is today. That is why I assumed spindle bearings.
[03:54:30] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com
[03:55:03] <Loetmichel> mine is 6 years old now. but 6 company years with very close to 8 hours a workday use
[03:55:06] <trentster> Umm let’s say I am slowly cutting a circle, 1mm doc. 60mm diameter circle. Noise happens in both the Y +- direction but not the X. If load stops, and it’s cutting the circle in air, there is no noise.
[03:55:34] <Loetmichel> define slow
[03:56:26] <trentster> 360 mm/min
[03:57:10] <Loetmichel> sounds to slow to me
[03:57:23] <Loetmichel> especially with such a rigid machine
[03:57:38] <trentster> Nice video btw. Impressive!
[03:57:58] <trentster> I normally bore holes in Alu, much less harsh on the endmill
[03:58:29] <Loetmichel> look at that: ( i need to get a more rigid table for it...) -> https://www.youtube.com
[03:58:56] <Loetmichel> hexagonal air vents into 1,5mm sheet alu
[03:59:39] <trentster> I can go faster of course, but I am wondering about the noise from the spindle.
[03:59:54] <Loetmichel> so far i can only talk well about those spindles, at least the smaller 800W ones
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[03:59:58] <trentster> sound like bearings.
[03:59:59] <Loetmichel> they are really nice
[04:00:13] <Loetmichel> and yes, the bearings ARE changeable
[04:00:19] <Loetmichel> and pretty common ones, too
[04:00:33] <Loetmichel> (IIRC some standard 7000s)
[04:00:47] <Loetmichel> 70xx
[04:00:58] <trentster> 800W I have never used, Ive used 400W and 2.2KW.
[04:01:13] <trentster> What speeds and feeds and endmill you using for cutting ALu?
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[04:01:22] <Loetmichel> the 400W is usually a DC motor with pressed on ER11 shaft
[04:01:27] <Loetmichel> thats absolot garbage
[04:02:02] <trentster> yup, 400W is gabage with ER11 correct
[04:02:10] <trentster> I assumed 800W was similar.
[04:02:40] <Loetmichel> i use these endmills: https://www.sorotec.de
[04:02:43] <trentster> Wow, your machine is really cutting alu like butter. I am seriously imnpressed.
[04:03:14] <Loetmichel> the 800W is the same construction as the 2.2kw ones, watercooled threephase AC spindles
[04:03:19] <Loetmichel> just smaller diameter
[04:03:44] <Loetmichel> and ER11 instead of the ER16(?) in the 2.2kw one
[04:03:52] <trentster> Do you have a link for the spindle you are using, is it a chinese cheapie?
[04:04:05] <Loetmichel> i its the one that comes with the CN 6040
[04:04:13] <trentster> Er20 in the 2.2kw one
[04:05:32] <trentster> What speeds and feeds you using for cutting ALU in that hole video?
[04:06:07] <Loetmichel> https://www.ebay.de
[04:06:13] <Loetmichel> ups
[04:06:21] <Loetmichel> ah, well, should work the link
[04:06:58] <Loetmichel> i use 24kRPM, 0,15mm DOC and usually 1200mm/m if full cut (plunging in)
[04:07:37] <Loetmichel> pockets with half the cutting widht i go up to 1800mm/min
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[04:08:18] <Loetmichel> the cutter and spindle can do more, but the gantry is pretty weak on those 6040 mills so exceeding that would mean it starts chattering/breaking mill bits
[04:08:53] <Loetmichel> with a 2mm 2 flute TC mill bit thats ground and polished for alu
[04:09:18] <trentster> what is your acceleration settings per axis on that machine?
[04:10:05] <Loetmichel> 1500mm/s^2
[04:10:19] <Loetmichel> on all three
[04:11:00] <trentster> wow, there is no way I could get that high, my steppers would stall, would need Nema 34's for that
[04:11:04] <Loetmichel> and about 60mm/s Vmax on x and y, 40mm/s on z
[04:11:26] <trentster> lol, maybe I should sell my machine and buy a 6040.
[04:11:28] <Loetmichel> the benefits of less mass
[04:11:41] <Loetmichel> comes with less rigidity though
[04:12:15] <Loetmichel> the machine is pretty maxed out though
[04:12:31] <Loetmichel> any more in amy parameter and it starts doing weird things like stalling
[04:12:39] <trentster> Would you mind pastebinning your LinuxCNC hal and ini file, I am intrested to compare it to what I am using.
[04:12:52] <Loetmichel> 6 years of daily use and fine tuning :-)
[04:13:22] <trentster> Yeah, my gantry and Z axis weighs a lot, no way I can pick it up on my own.
[04:14:08] <trentster> Loetmichel: sounds like you have perfected every ounce of ability from your machine. Well done!
[04:16:27] <Loetmichel> I dont know if that are the latest ones... but they should be in the right ballpark... http://www.cyrom.org
[04:17:23] <Loetmichel> ah, i just see i have been gone down to 1200mm^2
[04:17:30] <Loetmichel> still good :-)
[04:18:43] <trentster> Thanks, having a look now.
[04:18:52] <trentster> :-)
[04:22:04] <trentster> Mine are all on 600 for acceleration. I had to drop them.
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[04:22:44] <Loetmichel> now that i look over the configs i remember i had some accel stall problems and downed it a bit
[04:23:15] <Loetmichel> but i think those were not for the steppers but simpy some EMI from the spindle VFD
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[04:23:47] <Loetmichel> if the retainer ring/nut on the plug of the top is not tightened it tends to put out quite a bit of EMI
[04:24:09] <Loetmichel> and wreak havok with the stepper drivers
[04:24:51] <Loetmichel> on my machine at home i even had to put a second layer of shielding around the cable AND some click on-ferrites...
[04:25:42] <Loetmichel> before: http://www.cyrom.org
[04:25:44] <trentster> I used very thich shielded cable on my VFD and Stepper drives, I never have issues.
[04:25:55] <Loetmichel> after: http://www.cyrom.org
[04:26:21] <Loetmichel> luckily i work in a company that does military shielding of IT tech ;)
[04:26:56] <trentster> Nice!
[04:27:56] <trentster> My cable looks similar to that, with the shielding under transparent plastic.
[04:28:05] <Loetmichel> thats my home machine btw: https://www.youtube.com
[04:28:31] <trentster> I thought the 6040 was your home machine?
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[04:28:55] <Loetmichel> nope, the 6040 is at the company
[04:29:28] <Loetmichel> it uses the same type of spindle though
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[04:30:59] <trentster> I just subscribed so I don't lose you ;-)
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[04:33:34] <Loetmichel> i used my little home mill for the company for about 3 years until my constant bickering about it not being built for industrial work got the boss to shell out the 2kEur for the 6040
[04:33:43] <trentster> You using Fusion 360 for your toolpath generation?
[04:35:14] <Loetmichel> nope
[04:35:23] <Loetmichel> coreldraw8 and cambam
[04:35:38] <Loetmichel> 2d
[04:35:58] <trentster> Oh, yeah CamBam, I remember that. I made my first CNC machine using CamBam.
[04:36:17] <Loetmichel> it sometimes bites me to use corel because i do a lot of sheet metal work
[04:36:37] <Loetmichel> bending in the gray matter usually results in making every part 2 times
[04:36:42] <Loetmichel> :-)
[04:36:50] <trentster> I haven't touched CorelDraw in at least 15 years tho. ;-)
[04:37:13] <Loetmichel> i started in version 4 of corel
[04:37:22] <trentster> Iam going to buy some of your Alu cutters as soon as I have solved this spindle problem.
[04:37:33] <Loetmichel> by now i am probably faster in that than a pro in f360 ;-)
[04:38:32] <Loetmichel> 1994 to now is quite a long time
[04:38:51] <trentster> F360 toolpaths are complicated, there are like a bazillion options, and sometimes it takes half a day just to get the program to do something simple. Those days I miss cambam. But for things like 3D adaptive clearing, I really love it.
[04:39:02] <Loetmichel> trying to get into MoI now though, our designer reccomends that as a cheap 3d cad and design tool
[04:39:15] <trentster> Mol?
[04:39:24] <Loetmichel> Moments of Inspiration
[04:39:47] <trentster> MOL 4 Fusion360?
[04:39:57] <Loetmichel> 400 eur CAD/design tool that runs on PC and tablets as well
[04:40:00] <trentster> I thought MOL was a CAD package I had not heard of.
[04:40:10] <Loetmichel> simple UI, but pretty powerful
[04:40:36] <Loetmichel> and not hard on the PC hardware
[04:41:38] <Loetmichel> http://moi3d.com
[04:42:21] <trentster> Oh, it's actually called "moment of inspiration" rotflmao
[04:42:35] <Loetmichel> benfit over f360 is that its cheap AND our designer uses it so i can go without any training lessons, if i have wuestions i can ask him
[04:42:51] <trentster> Looks cool
[04:43:50] <Loetmichel> and 300us$ isnt that expensive for a full 3d cad
[04:44:40] <trentster> Yeah, but Fusion is pretty cheap too.
[04:44:48] <trentster> But complex as well.
[04:44:56] <Loetmichel> (it also isnt cloud based wich is kind of a nono for a company that does military stuff ;)
[04:45:38] <trentster> Yeah, Cloud = liability
[04:46:04] <Loetmichel> nah, but some of the stuff we do has an NDA attached to it
[04:46:55] <trentster> I bet your day job is pretty interesting.
[04:47:52] <Loetmichel> kind of
[04:48:25] <Loetmichel> the thing where boss made a few to close deadlines and i am forced to work on saturdays like today kinda isnt so great
[04:48:33] <Loetmichel> the rest is indeed interesting
[04:48:41] <Loetmichel> no two days with the same fuckups ;)
[04:48:59] <trentster> he he, boss sounds like a challenge. ;-)
[04:50:17] <trentster> What did you build your vacuum table out of?
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[05:08:09] <Loetmichel> Pertinax (tm)
[05:08:17] <Loetmichel> paper with resin
[05:08:23] <Loetmichel> dont know the english name
[05:13:49] <trentster> aaah phenolic
[05:14:04] <Loetmichel> yes
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[06:06:55] <Li> hey guys what is the best motor torque you suggest for generic purpose 1st cnc machine?
[06:11:03] <gloops> type of machine?
[06:11:13] <gloops> like, router, laser, metal milling
[06:11:18] <Li> router
[06:11:42] <Li> wood router but would be great if it can be used for metal too
[06:11:44] <gloops> well, nema 23 probably, 270 oz to 420 oz
[06:12:14] <gloops> unless this is a big router and you want industrial speeds
[06:13:42] <gloops> 420 oz motor on my Y axis gives me 5000mm/min with a reasonable depth of cut
[06:14:49] <gloops> 270 oz on my z works ok, pulling about 20 lbs
[06:15:14] <Li> gloops: Industrial is my final goal, what you do suggest? start with smaller motors then upgrade as I'm learning or start big?
[06:15:37] <Li> I was looking for something like 12N.m
[06:16:08] <gloops> there are some factors to consider, weight - is it aluminium or heavy iron, machine size etc
[06:16:27] <gloops> oh 12nm will run anything, if you had those in mind get them
[06:16:32] <Loetmichel> especially the weight of the accelerated masses
[06:16:43] <Loetmichel> and the "gear ratio" of the ballscrew
[06:16:55] <gloops> you will be cutting at 600ipm
[06:17:25] <XXCoder> Li: will you use steel of any kind or some hard metals ?
[06:17:25] <gloops> but bear in mind, the full power of the motor can only be utilised if the machine is rigid enough
[06:18:08] <gloops> you also need an appropriate spindle 3kw
[06:18:20] <Li> XXCoder: I believe should be any metal aluminum or steel
[06:18:20] <Loetmichel> Li: the usual wood routers are not made for metal. they can do it but not steel (only brass and aluminium) and not THAT fast
[06:18:30] <SpeedEvil> Hogging off material can sort of use more motor than the machine can handle at normal deflections
[06:18:51] <Loetmichel> the gantry type routers are usually not rigid enough to cut steel
[06:19:12] <gloops> yes you cant stick 12nm motors on a toy machine, it will just bend it when cutting
[06:19:20] <gloops> and stall a baby spindle
[06:19:25] <Loetmichel> and break the bit because of chatter
[06:19:35] <Loetmichel> long before the spindle stalls ;)
[06:20:48] <Li> Loetmichel: what is "chatter"
[06:20:56] <gloops> it is a fair question though - do you build a starter machine then move up - or just go for the beast first time
[06:21:17] <XXCoder> chatter: rough cutting of part. looks like "waves"
[06:21:32] <Li> XXCoder: ok I get it..
[06:21:33] <jthornton> morning
[06:22:02] <Li> yes gloops that is exactly what I'm asking here , better to learn from someone who have been through the process before
[06:22:07] <gloops> when i finished this one i said id never ever build another router, id go for the big one
[06:23:22] <Loetmichel> li: the bit "bites" into the material, the gantry bends lightly because of that, the bit tuns , releases, the gantry springs back. that causes a "wavy" cut and overloads the bit.
[06:24:03] <Loetmichel> slightly, turns
[06:26:20] <Li> do you guys know any good resource for plans on building CNC machine?
[06:26:39] <Li> or lets say the best cnc machine you suggest for generic purpose
[06:26:43] <SpeedEvil> Li: What are your aims and budget?
[06:26:53] <Li> wood and metal
[06:27:39] <jthornton> what can a poor windoze user use to get on here? hexchat charges for windblows version
[06:28:33] <gloops> i found these helpful, it is worth studying the design factors http://www.cncroutersource.com
[06:29:34] <gloops> you will be amazed how a gantry bends, you can make it with box section steel, you wouldnt believe 15lbs of force could bend that - but it will if the design is wrong, very easily
[06:29:49] <Loetmichel> indeed
[06:30:07] <SpeedEvil> models can be useful.
[06:30:17] <Loetmichel> and on the other hand: even making a gabntry router out of marine plywood CAN be pretty rigid if you do it right
[06:30:18] <SpeedEvil> If you are not up to the maths.
[06:30:27] <gloops> yes Loetmichel
[06:30:31] <XXCoder> jthornton: hexchat should be also free on windows.
[06:30:43] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: I like quassel.
[06:30:44] <gloops> shape trumps material
[06:30:44] <Loetmichel> like that one ;)
[06:30:46] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[06:30:48] <XXCoder> it should be also open source so you can compile a cioopu
[06:30:51] <XXCoder> copy
[06:30:53] <jthornton> that's what I thought but he said it was $10
[06:31:00] <SpeedEvil> gloops: To a degree, for rigidity, less so for stability
[06:31:05] <jthornton> is quassel easy to setup?
[06:31:14] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <. missing the back plate on the gantry
[06:31:19] <XXCoder> https://hexchat.github.io you got from this site?
[06:31:25] <gloops> resonance is another factor yes
[06:31:40] <gloops> generally heavy = good, light = bad
[06:31:41] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: Somewhat less easy than a unitary client, but you can then connect into your core from android or apple devices as well, and see a unified scrollback
[06:31:57] <Loetmichel> gloops: that "wood" has the benefit of being "dead"
[06:32:01] <Loetmichel> it doesent ring
[06:32:17] <Loetmichel> even if comperatively light
[06:32:20] <gloops> absorbs it
[06:32:48] <Loetmichel> yes
[06:33:01] * SpeedEvil hits Loetmichel over the head with a xylophone.
[06:33:06] <Loetmichel> bad for flood cooling though ;)
[06:33:06] <Li> gloops: http://www.cncroutersource.com won't open at my side!
[06:33:19] <XXCoder> I found windows APP version apparently iy is $10, but you can download free one so doesnt really matter
[06:33:36] <XXCoder> opens fine here
[06:33:46] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: xylophone bells are not made of laminated wood, especially not of plywood with epoxy as a binder
[06:34:00] <SpeedEvil> true.
[06:34:18] <SpeedEvil> (Though 'no' plywood is made of epoxy)
[06:34:50] <SpeedEvil> The better ply can be slightly resonant - but lots less than decent solid wood.
[06:34:54] <gloops> http://www.cncroutersource.com
[06:35:22] <Loetmichel> "siebdruckplatte" (german term for waterproof plywood) is made of multiple layers of thin wood strips with a 2k binder, not white glue
[06:35:31] <jthornton> baltic birch is the only plywood over here that is 100% solid
[06:35:35] <Loetmichel> no idea if thats epoxy or something else but it IS waterproof
[06:36:14] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: It's not epoxy, it's some more exotic glue. Yes, it's not white glue.
[06:36:25] <SpeedEvil> It was a nitpick only.
[06:37:10] <Loetmichel> itsw waterproof enough that a plate that sat a few monts completely submerged in water had about 1" swelling at the sawcuts and was otherwise pretty much unharmed...
[06:37:27] <Loetmichel> not bad for plywood ;)
[06:37:28] <SpeedEvil> It would be great if you could get wood plys at the same price as plywood.
[06:37:54] <Loetmichel> 1" inwards, not 1" in thickness
[06:37:56] <Loetmichel> ;)
[06:38:51] <Loetmichel> i like that stuff... its nearly indestructible, doesent react to humidity at all and its easy to work with
[06:39:20] <Loetmichel> the mill in the pictures had about 1000 5mm by 50mm "spax" screws in it, though ;)
[06:39:31] <Loetmichel> no glue :-)
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[06:42:39] <jthornton> SpeedEvil: quassel seems easy enough to get up and running, thanks
[06:43:05] <SpeedEvil> :)
[06:43:39] <jthornton> now I need to figure out how to have a dual boot on my windows pc with 32 bit on one and 64 bit on the other so I can use my old solidworks
[06:48:48] <gloops> wont the 32bit run on windows 64?
[06:48:56] <XXCoder> it should run fine
[06:49:29] <XXCoder> hough depends maybe it depends on older version of 32 bi library that doesnt work with 64bit version of same
[06:50:21] <miss0r> some stuff _just_doesn't_work_ on 64 bi.
[06:50:23] <miss0r> +t
[06:50:26] <miss0r> :)
[06:50:38] <miss0r> Even though it *should*
[06:50:50] <miss0r> I can highly recommend using naticve 32bit environment for that software
[06:50:52] <XXCoder> jthornton: cant you run 32 bit verson in a vm?
[06:50:53] <jthornton> gloops: no, solidworks 32bit won't run on a 64bit pc
[06:51:26] <jthornton> XXCoder: I'd fall asleep trying to draw anything using a vm lol
[06:51:36] <XXCoder> lol
[06:51:49] <XXCoder> I got a idea tho
[06:51:53] <XXCoder> build a 32 bit pc
[06:51:53] <miss0r> it'll never work with that attitude :P
[06:52:04] <XXCoder> remote access it when you need that
[06:52:04] <jthornton> I had a vm on my laptop and hated it so much I installed a dual boot with linux mint
[06:53:07] <jthornton> hmmm I have a PC for hard drives behind me and I just need to build a 32 bit windblows drive and plug that in as usually it's doing nothing
[06:56:00] <XXCoder> yeah and you can switch back to orginial use if you need that also
[06:56:21] <miss0r> I seem to remember owning some harddisk bays.
[06:56:47] <miss0r> to mount in the 5�" slots. Then you could shut down the computer and swap out the bay to another harddrive.
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[07:01:51] <jthornton> I just have the side off and the drives sit on the table lol
[07:02:40] <miss0r> :D
[07:03:09] <miss0r> If I recall correctly, I bought these bays because they had little fans in the back, helping keeping my harddrives nice and cold. :)
[07:03:26] <jthornton> cool
[07:03:28] <miss0r> But this was some time ago. I think I had a whooping 4.1gb disk in one of them
[07:04:08] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[07:04:09] <miss0r> (which was one of the biggest ones I could get at the time.
[07:04:23] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com
[07:04:33] <jthornton> my latest project lol a chicken door
[07:04:34] <miss0r> looking good. Although; I'm a little sad you did not use a linear actuator.
[07:04:51] <miss0r> Then the chickens will learn to move out of the way, or get cut in half :P
[07:04:54] <jthornton> why is that? I do have some...
[07:05:26] <miss0r> hehe. The reason is; when this stuff gets a little warn & humidity changes the tolerances of the wood;
[07:05:38] <miss0r> gravity might not suffice to close the door
[07:05:54] <jthornton> I prefer to spachcock a chicken myself
[07:06:11] <jthornton> ah I allowed for expansion!
[07:06:26] <miss0r> and dirt?
[07:06:43] <jthornton> yep, the bottom is open for dirt and poop to fall out
[07:06:49] <miss0r> well. everything stops working at some point; using the linear actuator might just prolong the lifespan a little. That is all
[07:06:53] <miss0r> nice
[07:07:22] <jthornton> I have one similar in design that has been in service for over a year with no problems
[07:07:22] <XXCoder> miss0r: can always use wax and such
[07:07:35] <miss0r> sure :)
[07:07:42] <XXCoder> we had a old drawer, it used wax for sliding close top
[07:07:53] <XXCoder> it lasted for long time, just add wax each few years
[07:07:56] <miss0r> I guess its just me; I've never relied on gravity to do motion for me. I feel it is prone to faliure :)
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[07:08:18] <miss0r> (not gravity ifself, of course, but the motion) :D
[07:09:22] <jthornton> having enough space so no binding can happen is important for a gravity door
[07:09:44] <jthornton> and the gearmotor is a 5RPM one so it moves very slowly
[07:10:08] <miss0r> Indeed :) If you have something that works that is nice. I won't force my ideology on you :]
[07:10:47] <miss0r> also: doing stuff for your own hen house, does not need to meet the standards for something you would sell to a client living across the country
[07:11:00] <jthornton> for an industrial solution I would never use gravity
[07:11:15] <jthornton> exactly
[07:11:25] <miss0r> well; that is basically all I ever do; hence the ideology :D
[07:11:37] <miss0r> what is the lid itself made of?
[07:11:39] <jthornton> I don't even use pneumatic slides if I can avoid it
[07:12:00] <miss0r> what are pneumatic slides?
[07:12:13] <jthornton> it's called hardboard a dense pressed board
[07:12:40] <miss0r> I googled the slides. Yeah, I don't like those either :D
[07:12:52] <miss0r> so the lid is pretty heavy? :) that helps as well
[07:13:40] <jthornton> yea, and the space it rides in is basically a free fall with some constraints
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[07:14:11] <miss0r> is it "wood on wood" or do you have some seprate surface in there?
[07:15:21] <jthornton> it's all wood although I will change the door to aluminum before install probably
[07:15:27] <XXCoder> miss if theres plenty of space it really dont matter and it will leave gap even in high humid timing
[07:15:53] <miss0r> XXCoder: Indeed. I'm just curious about the design
[07:16:40] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[07:16:46] <jthornton> that's the original one
[07:17:11] <miss0r> hehe. I would fall asleep watching that open :D haha
[07:17:32] <jthornton> yea it moves really slow
[07:17:37] <miss0r> But it makes sense: the chickens do not get cut in half, and it doesn't scare the living bejesus out of them when it starts to move
[07:17:48] <jthornton> aye
[07:18:00] <miss0r> and I don't think they are in such a hurry :D
[07:18:56] <jthornton> no, when the lights come on and the door opens they do a bit of stretching and preening before hopping down off the roost
[07:19:00] <Tom_L> jthornton i'm using hexchat on windows... free
[07:19:22] <jthornton> I wonder if they just started charging...
[07:19:45] <XXCoder> jthornton: no, its APP thats not free. you can use regular windows program at https://hexchat.github.io tho
[07:19:49] <jthornton> hmm what was the old one I used to use before hexchat that went commerical
[07:20:10] <XXCoder> I guess app costs money due to requiring certification or something
[07:20:13] <Tom_L> xchat
[07:20:21] <XXCoder> but regular windows program is still free.
[07:20:23] <jthornton> ah yea
[07:20:31] <Tom_L> https://hexchat.github.io
[07:20:39] <Li> is it better to use closed loop motor for cnc?
[07:21:01] <Tom_L> that looks free to me
[07:21:02] <jthornton> https://www.microsoft.com
[07:21:07] <jthornton> $10
[07:21:20] <XXCoder> yeah dont use that
[07:21:23] <Tom_L> there's the problem
[07:21:36] <XXCoder> use download from link I and Tom_L linked to
[07:21:43] <Tom_L> microsoft.com/xxxx
[07:21:49] <jthornton> they both go to the link I posted
[07:22:06] <jthornton> he is running windblows 10
[07:22:11] <Tom_L> 32 or 64 bit?\
[07:22:12] <XXCoder> you clicked first icon windows 10 app
[07:22:17] <XXCoder> dont click that one
[07:22:21] <Tom_L> i'll post it if you want
[07:22:39] <jthornton> will the 7 run on 10?
[07:22:47] <Tom_L> i dunno
[07:22:59] <XXCoder> yeah windows is pretty good on backwards compitability. ]
[07:23:08] <XXCoder> not as good as linux but yeah
[07:23:16] <Tom_L> maybe until 10 came along...
[07:26:18] <XXCoder> honestly windows sucks now. I dont know if they will get out of current trend
[07:26:56] <jthornton> yea all the OS's think that your stupid and can only pick from a few things
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[07:27:23] <Tom_L> they're going cloud based and pay per view
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[07:28:06] <XXCoder> I saw writing on wall with windows 8 so I stayed with 7 for little while and moved to linux
[07:28:11] <XXCoder> havent regretted since
[07:28:40] <gloops> ive got 7 on here, old sketchup and stuff runs ok on it
[07:28:55] <XXCoder> you killed the update to 10 updatenag?
[07:28:57] <Tom_L> i still run a variety of OSs
[07:29:06] <gloops> it has got win84 environment i think
[07:29:31] <jthornton> kinda like the song by Zager And Evans In the Year 2525 except it's happening sooner the lyrics https://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:30:07] <jthornton> aye I killed any auto updates to windblows and stay with 7
[07:30:24] <gloops> XXCoder its an old office machine i think, never got updated
[07:30:34] <Tom_L> phew, i was getting concerned about you there for a min
[07:31:10] <XXCoder> heh I have vm of winsows 7 that has updates all way to right before win10 nag update
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[08:00:12] <jthornton> hmm my old windblows xp drive won't boot
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[08:04:13] <jthornton> however my old win 7 drive still works and it has solidworks 14 on it!
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[08:04:48] <jthornton> but it's not activated so I'll delete it and put an older version on
[08:07:48] <jthornton> crap it's a 64bit version
[08:09:12] <XXCoder> doh
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[08:18:55] <jthornton> hmm both my win 7 dvds are 64 bit
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[08:26:57] <{HD}> jthornton: chicken door is awesome! What does the controller look like? Is it based on time of day or is there a light sensor? How many chickens do you have?
[08:33:00] <XXCoder> wow finally a video out of mtmwood
[08:33:21] <XXCoder> no wonder hes been quiet for so long. he set a new and much bigger shop to make cutting boards production
[08:34:13] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[08:38:13] <{HD}> All that for cutting boards...wow
[08:40:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:40:35] <XXCoder> his biz have been growing pretty well
[08:40:41] <XXCoder> and shop just got too crowded
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[08:43:37] <jthornton> {HD}: I use a RPi 3 to control the door and astral to know the daily sun times and I have 9 Rhode Island Red hens
[08:44:14] <XXCoder> this is pretty cool though I dont wanna deal with epoxy
[08:44:15] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
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[08:50:28] <jthornton> and it looks like you can't download win 7 anymore at least I can't find it
[08:50:30] <{HD}> jthornton: why do you need 2 doors for only 9?
[08:52:06] <{HD}> jthornton: what is astral? How do you know they are all inside before the door closes?
[08:52:22] <XXCoder> jt I think you can still order cds at microsft site
[08:52:36] <XXCoder> $10 or $25 something
[08:52:50] <XXCoder> unless its gone because long term support is expired also
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[08:53:56] <jthornton> {HD}: the new door is for the shed conversion to a coop
[08:54:19] <XXCoder> https://www.microsoft.com jthornton
[08:54:22] <jthornton> chickens can't see in the dark so they go to the roost near sundown or a bit before
[08:55:01] <{HD}> So you just wait 10-30 mins after sundown and close it?
[08:55:35] <jthornton> I close the door at dusk each night which is ~30 minutes after sundown
[08:57:16] <jthornton> XXCoder: I'll give that a try, not sure what it does yet :)
[08:57:34] <XXCoder> it should download image of windows 7 usb or cd but not too sure also
[08:57:58] <XXCoder> it says DE though so maybe its germany version
[08:58:27] <XXCoder> ah! https://www.microsoft.com
[08:58:56] <XXCoder> hopefully you have windows 7 32 bit key as it requires that
[08:59:14] <jthornton> hmm I have the 64bit key :(
[09:01:30] <jthornton> {HD}: oh forgot to say what astral is... it gets the sun and moon times for any date you give it
[09:02:24] <jthornton> my latest program adds light after natural daylight falls below 10 hours up to 14 hours then stops adding extra light
[09:02:31] <XXCoder> is it specific to 64 bit? some keys is either. mine is either 32 or 64 bit, and indeed, come witg both dvds of 32 and 64 bit.
[09:03:50] <jthornton> dunno if it is just 64 bit or not
[09:04:26] <XXCoder> try it out see if you get both or one
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[09:06:07] <jthornton> hmm I have 4.0 GB of data left for the month
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[09:11:17] <XXCoder> yea iso for os tend to be giant download
[09:26:49] <JT-Shop> now to get the up and down sensors mounted on the door and I'll be set for testing
[09:28:42] <{HD}> jthornton: adds light? Like lamps?
[09:29:05] <{HD}> I ddg’ed astral then I started reading about Rahukaalam.
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[09:36:47] <{HD}> So does microstepping make the motor weaker? Should I try to keep the number low or go all the way to 5k microsteps?
[09:45:51] <{HD}> Also when homing it does the double touch. Well on my Y axis it doesn’t move away far enough to unlatch switch before starting next touch. So I get an “ Home switch active before start of latch moves“
[09:45:53] <JT-Shop> {HD}: http://gnipsel.com
[09:46:36] <JT-Shop> yes micro stepping is bad for torque, full steps best for speed, some micro steps (10 or so) good for low speed
[09:48:03] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org
[09:51:09] <{HD}> That looks like a proper coop! Any other animals on the farm?
[09:52:23] <JT-Shop> just a cat
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[09:58:28] <JT-Shop> miss0r: one of my design goals for the chicken door is that it can be reproduced with simple hand tools
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[10:14:28] <Tom_L> jthornton, you know you can download a 32bit 7 version and use your key
[10:15:42] <Tom_L> if you can't find it i can post it
[10:16:15] <Tom_L> not piracy cause it still needs a key
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[10:26:38] <Tom_itx> https://softfamous.com
[10:27:02] <Tom_itx> https://www.microsoft.com
[10:27:32] <Tom_L> or get it there
[10:28:05] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: thanks, I'll give it a try in the morning, most of the ones I found are a link to 10 not 7 lol
[10:28:43] <Tom_L> i think i've got iso's for 7 8 & 10 if you need something
[10:30:37] <Tom_L> NT and DOS if you're desparate :)
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[10:38:58] <Rab> "Shields", "capes", "bones"..."piglets"?? https://www.open-electronics.org
[10:39:12] <jthornton> I have the DOS 6.22 disks lol
[10:39:22] <Tom_L> same
[10:40:15] <jthornton> I think it's an upgrade though... I should have XT also around somewhere
[10:41:31] <Tom_L> i finally tossed my windows 3.1 floppies
[10:43:36] <Rab> I had Windows95 on floppies...installed it on a 386 w/4MB RAM to see if I could. (It did work, just barely.)
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[10:46:23] <jthornton> I'm pretty sure I still have 3.1 and 95 and NT somewhere in all my crap
[10:58:07] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com my primary workstation
[10:59:08] <{HD}> Should I keep my limit switches high? Normally closed? Or no?
[10:59:16] <JT-Shop> wow a commodore 64
[10:59:28] <{HD}> And an amiga!
[10:59:40] <JT-Shop> yea limit switches should always use the N/C contacts
[11:07:35] <miss0r> rab: I also used to all the windows 95 install on floppies :D
[11:07:46] <miss0r> around 50 ish floppies if I recall correctly :D
[11:09:09] <miss0r> Actualy, in a few weeks I am hosting a "retro" gaming night for the guys. 6 machines running coaxial network with windows 95 installed. We will be playing Red-Alert, Diablo I, Duke nukem 3D ect.
[11:09:30] <miss0r> not exactly commodore retro, but somewhat retro nontheless
[11:10:09] <miss0r> anywho. I need to get going. I have a 65year birthday to attend (30+35) See you
[11:17:44] <{HD}> Wtf “
[11:18:06] <{HD}> ”Joint p on limit switch error”
[11:18:13] <{HD}> S/p/0
[11:18:53] <JT-Shop> your not playing Doom?
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[11:22:47] <{HD}> I think I got it! Works pretty well with n/c.
[11:28:06] <Loetmichel> {HD}: accidxentally configured an inverted limit switch on an opn input?
[11:28:48] <jthornton> {HD}: you should always use N/C for limits as if you use N/O you can never tell if you cut a wire or have a loose connection
[11:29:14] <Loetmichel> indeed
[11:29:52] <Loetmichel> miss0r: remember the title of that game on mars in the catacombs playing a rebel?
[11:30:11] <Loetmichel> graphics was about the tomb raider 1 level
[11:30:15] <Loetmichel> cant remember the name
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[11:46:16] <{HD}> 👍 got it straight now. What helped alot was backing the home pos off the limit switch.
[11:46:33] <{HD}> Still need to figure out Z. Seems to go the wrong way...
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[11:54:02] <JT-Shop> {HD}: http://linuxcnc.org
[11:54:49] <JT-Shop> lol the answer is in that paragraph but it does not jump out at you :(
[11:54:54] <JT-Shop> I need to fix that
[11:59:29] <{HD}> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ yep. Moved home to .125 on each axis and now it works much more consistently.
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[13:01:23] <{HD}> Inverted the dir pin on Z and now everything seems to work like I want it to.
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[13:13:10] <fragalot> hi
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[14:34:10] <JT-Shop> hi
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[15:04:00] <Tom_L> hi
[15:08:30] <pink_vampire> hi
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[15:51:13] <Tom_L> i wonder what i can use to clean the contaminates off plexiglass so i can reglue it
[15:51:24] <Tom_L> oil and coolant specifically
[15:52:35] <Rab> Detergent?
[15:53:16] <Rab> Even a mild solvent like alcohol could become a problem itself.
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[16:00:44] <Tom_L> there must have been a film of something on it when i did it the first time
[16:00:58] <Tom_L> generally they fuse together rather well
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[16:19:40] <pink_vampire> alcohol then flame treat
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[16:54:22] <gloops> had a run to lincoln, no machines involved in making this https://ibb.co
[16:54:31] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:56:08] <Rab> gloops, simple machines? They didn't just eyeball those parabolas.
[16:56:51] <gloops> hmm, tools yes, machines though - debatable
[16:57:11] <gloops> 1300s
[16:58:14] <Rab> Is a pantograph a machine?
[16:58:19] <gloops> thats a pretty plain bit, some breathtaking stone and wood carving around the building, it is huge
[16:58:43] <Rab> Yeah, looks spectacular.
[16:59:37] <gloops> not invented when this was designed/built
[17:01:08] <gloops> dividers yes
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[17:13:20] <{HD}> If I have my bed set from 0-25 then how come while jogging I can hit -0.0100? Shouldn’t it soft limit me to 0.0?
[17:14:59] <Loetmichel> {HD}: it should
[17:15:05] <Loetmichel> but it has to brake
[17:15:14] <Loetmichel> that can oversot slightly
[17:15:27] <Loetmichel> especially on low acceleration settings
[17:15:31] <Loetmichel> +h
[17:15:34] <{HD}> Loetmichel: oh yes the deceleration...
[17:17:34] <{HD}> I will tweak some things. .01” isn’t going to crash into anything as I have a .125” stepoff. Just thought it odd.
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[17:44:52] <skunkworks> start of the enclosure..
[17:44:54] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com
[17:45:18] <{HD}> Alright I have LCNC dialed. What do you use for cad cam thats foss?
[17:46:38] <XXCoder> I use freecad and linuxcnc picture to gcode but then I havent seriously gotten nto machining not when my machine cant run with no room atm
[17:47:02] <XXCoder> there is also some options, like flatcam, inkscape svg to gcode etc
[17:47:18] <XXCoder> skunkworks: looks good
[17:47:28] <{HD}> I think I have freecad installed I don’t remember liking it.
[17:47:38] <XXCoder> was that something like 0.13?
[17:47:52] <{HD}> Flatcam is great and I use a modified version for my laser pcb etching.
[17:47:54] <XXCoder> 0.17 is much better version nowdays
[17:56:37] <{HD}> Ugh! Messed up my z axis somehow...
[17:58:03] <XXCoder> congats IRC is now 30 years old
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[18:07:57] <roycroft> i just figured out how i can watch youtube between now and election day
[18:08:12] <roycroft> i use a british vpn, and i get no political ads
[18:08:12] <{HD}> XXCoder: like today is IRCs birthday or just this year/month?
[18:08:25] <XXCoder> it seems today
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[18:10:06] <XXCoder> August 1988 "MUT" but first irc server was set short time later
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[18:10:43] <XXCoder> Nov 1988 already spread out across internet
[18:11:02] <XXCoder> middle of 1989 40 servers and worldwide
[18:11:50] <Tom_L> https://www.amazon.com
[18:11:51] <XXCoder> efnet 1990 undernet 1992
[18:11:57] <Tom_L> XXCoder ^^
[18:12:26] <roycroft> one of our users had a mutt server in our machine room back in the early '90s when i was working for a freenet
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[18:13:33] <roycroft> it was a sun 3/75, irrc
[18:13:35] <roycroft> iirc, rather
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[18:14:20] <XXCoder> book looks interesting will save for later Tom_L thanks
[18:14:51] <Tom_L> also look up "Hackers"
[18:15:35] <XXCoder> 1995 freenode interesting
[18:15:48] <XXCoder> so freenet was just 2 years old when I first come in
[18:15:52] <XXCoder> or maybe 3
[18:16:09] <SpeedEvil> Tom_L: hack theplanet!
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[18:50:52] <CaptHindsight> if you went back in time and told everyone how it's working today what do you think they would do?
[18:52:11] <MarcelineVQ> Reserve funny usernames
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[18:53:35] <CaptHindsight> oh sorry meant Internet not just IRC
[18:54:49] <MarcelineVQ> lament that it's so easy to trick people into using a few major services and shift control over what people can say, who can say it, and who gets to see it, into a few hands
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[18:55:18] <MarcelineVQ> But funny user names is a pretty big deal
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[19:19:11] <Rab> CaptHindsight, for the powerSTEP01, the datasheet doesn't seem to have any info at all about thermal dissipation or recommended layout...seen any info along those lines?
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[19:57:13] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com what does this mean sometimes its a 5
[19:57:55] <andypugh> It means exactly what it says :-)
[19:59:03] <andypugh> This is the state machine: https://github.com
[19:59:43] <andypugh> And here are the numbers:
[19:59:44] <andypugh> https://github.com
[20:00:08] <andypugh> 7 is “HOME_INITIAL_STATE_WAIT”
[20:01:07] <andypugh> I _suspect_ that the system is seeing the homing swich change state when the axis is not moving, and is unable to decide what to do in that position.
[20:02:12] <andypugh> case HOME_INITIAL_SEARCH_WAIT:
[20:02:13] <andypugh> /* This state is called while the machine is looking for the
[20:02:14] <andypugh> home switch. It terminates when the switch is found. If
[20:02:15] <andypugh> the move ends or hits a limit before it finds the switch,
[20:02:16] <andypugh> the home is aborted. */
[20:02:35] <andypugh> Actually, it sounds more like it is hitting the limit switch during homing.
[20:03:30] <{HD}> andypugh: isnt that good? It is supposed to hit the limit switch during homing.
[20:03:56] <andypugh> Is the limit switch the same switch as the home switch?
[20:04:12] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[20:04:24] <andypugh> Does your iNI have LIMIT_IS_SHARED and HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS
[20:04:32] <{HD}> andypugh: there are no limit switches currently only home and soft limits
[20:04:51] <andypugh> Are the limits wired in HAL?
[20:05:44] <{HD}> andypugh: I don’t know what that means. Everything thus far has been set in stepconf.
[20:06:36] <andypugh> I think it is important that Stepconf writes _your_ HAL file for, but you should feel that you own that file.
[20:07:59] <andypugh> So have a look in the file, see if axis.N.pos-lim-sw-in and neg-lim-sw-in are connected up.
[20:11:27] <{HD}> andypugh: those strings are not present in my mill.hal file.
[20:11:38] <{HD}> According to Find
[20:11:47] <andypugh> OK, that should mean that they are not linked.
[20:13:25] <andypugh> Is it possible that the home search s travelling further than the total axis length?
[20:15:10] <{HD}> andypugh: yes. I did just try to put the home switch outside the soft limits.
[20:15:28] <{HD}> Seemed to work on the x axis but not the z
[20:15:50] <andypugh> That isn’t what I was asking.
[20:16:34] <andypugh> How long is the actual home search move? Hoe does that compare to max_limit - min_limit?
[20:16:45] <{HD}> andypugh: no. Home search is within a few 8ths of the home switch
[20:17:04] <andypugh> And what are the axis limits?
[20:17:43] <andypugh> (No chance the machine is configured in metric with imperial limits?)
[20:17:54] <{HD}> Of z 0-4”
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[20:18:20] <{HD}> Or rather -4 to 0
[20:18:31] <andypugh> I am just guessing what might be wrong. I have you a link to the homing code.
[20:20:40] <andypugh> Clearly this is happening: https://github.com
[20:21:27] <andypugh> And that can only be that the home search move is too short to find the switch. Which is why I am wondering if your limits are configured as 0 to -4 mm
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[20:25:40] <{HD}> andypugh: I have a config error. Z has been giving me some trouble. My home switch is at the top of the z axis. And I don’t know whats positive or negative.
[20:26:07] <andypugh> That doesn’t really explain the problem.
[20:26:56] <andypugh> Bit 0 should be with the tool max distance from the table and and -4 at the minimum distance
[20:27:00] <{HD}> The problem is the numbers in my stepconf for Z are all out of order.
[20:28:03] <{HD}> I guess the confusing part is I normally 0 the bed. So I am working in the +
[20:28:30] <andypugh> These two things are not incompatible.
[20:28:44] <andypugh> You don’t normally work in the machine coordinates.
[20:30:08] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[20:30:42] <{HD}> This appears to at least move the correct direction when I hit hone.
[20:30:46] <{HD}> Home*
[20:31:56] <andypugh> I can’t really help you with Stepconf, I have never really used it.
[20:32:31] <andypugh> Where actually is the home swotch?
[20:32:55] <{HD}> Home switch is furthest from bed
[20:32:57] <andypugh> Is it really in the middle of travel? How is the machine meant to know if it needs to moe up or down to find it
[20:33:18] <{HD}> andypugh: lol
[20:33:26] <{HD}> That one is a 3
[20:33:50] <{HD}> I was in the process of changing the # when I took pic.
[20:33:50] <andypugh> Is the the new maths I have heard of?
[20:34:33] <andypugh> I would go for table -4 to 0, home switch at 0, home location -0.124
[20:34:41] <{HD}> I made the numbers smaller for testing so I did not crash into anything physical.
[20:35:29] <{HD}> andypugh: I will give those values a shot.
[20:36:45] <{HD}> andypugh: did you mean to swap the last 2 values?
[20:37:07] <{HD}> Switch at .125 and home loc @ 0
[20:37:23] <andypugh> I don’t think so, but I am unclear how Stepconf numbers map to INI file values.
[20:41:01] <{HD}> andypugh: I have positive results! Thanks for the data.
[20:45:19] <andypugh> Glad you got it working, and now it is time for me to sleep.
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[21:19:35] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
[21:20:20] <XXCoder> earth's vibrating dilio
[21:20:53] <XXCoder> looks like game from "brown is realistic" era
[22:23:31] <{HD}> Crap! Need a 10-32 set screw! I have 10-24, 9-32 and 8-32 but not what I need. Ugh and everything is closes now too.
[22:25:06] <XXCoder> lol if you are missing exactly one size, its that size that you need. always.
[22:25:38] <{HD}> flyback: how long do those brushes last? Whats the red liquid in that sight vial?
[22:25:45] <{HD}> XXCoder: seems that way..
[22:26:05] <{HD}> Guess its time to eat cake instead of working.
[22:32:44] <XXCoder> cake is a lie
[22:43:59] <{HD}> 👍
[22:44:31] <XXCoder> 🎂
[22:45:51] <MarcelineVQ> 🅱ake
[22:46:19] <XXCoder> uhoh hostage demend mail, made from stuff cut out of magazine or soemthing
[22:47:11] <XXCoder> c̴͖͖̫̰͎͚̥̥̱̱̪͍͑̓̎ͤͨͦͩ̉́̀̚͢ͅa͗͂͑͆̃̊̓͆̒ͣ̿̒͞҉̷̡͓͇̟͜ḵ̵̛̞͉̤͙̗̜͎͕̥̜͇̹̭̖̰̖̭̔̎͆͐̂͂̾̀̕ë̡̻͍͍̦̻̹̤̯̳̖͚̀̆͛͗̒̌͑̈ͫ͝
[22:47:34] <MarcelineVQ> w̴̠h̬ͅa̝̭͎̖̙̯͡t̪͎̖͟ ͚̫̼h̝͙͍̘̣a̤̤v̮̻͖e̶ ͓͜y̷̩̲o̪u̦̘̘̥̘̪ͅ ̙̟d̶̙̺o͉̞͠n̤̲͘e?̹͎̩̘
[22:47:41] <XXCoder> poor people with no unicode support
[22:51:29] <XXCoder> ˙llɐ sǝlnɹ ǝpoɔᴉun ǝɥ┴
[22:51:40] <MarcelineVQ> ⓣⓐⓚⓔ ⓘⓣ ⓔⓐⓢⓨ ⓢⓞⓝ
[22:51:51] <XXCoder> lol
[22:52:05] <MarcelineVQ> (っ◔◡◔)っ
[22:52:07] <XXCoder> one more to test something
[22:52:30] <XXCoder> ǝ̜̱̟̜̬͢p̱o̡͓̩̮̙͙̹ɔ͉̯̼͖͈̥̻ᴉ҉͖̖͔͔̱u҉̥̙̹∩̨̹̥̞̤
[22:52:39] <XXCoder> fancy heh
[22:52:48] <MarcelineVQ> hit all the checkmarks on your generator :>
[22:53:10] <XXCoder> already did with cake word one earlier
[23:17:43] <{HD}> Silly
[23:18:38] <XXCoder> yep
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