#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-11-02

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[00:03:47] <jesseg> I tried out my new Chinesium VFD today. It's supposed to be 7.5 Chinese horse power, but I have no idea what it really can do, but it runs my 3HP mill quite nicely :P
[00:04:37] <jesseg> the real question is will it slam start my lathe but I haven't wired that in yet :P
[00:07:14] <jesseg> Difficulty with the lathe is it has electrically self latching relays to hold it in run forward or run reverse
[00:07:41] <jesseg> so if the voltage from the VFD drops too much when I hit the start button, the relay won't be able to hold in once the motor contacts
[00:07:44] <jesseg> but we'll see
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[03:31:03] <gloops> back to some dovetailing thinking, dovetails play strange tricks on the mind
[03:48:49] <miss0r> fak!
[03:49:23] <miss0r> I just falsefully replaced a tool in a former operation, and made my part 4mm too small all the way around ! ! ! ! ! !
[03:49:26] <miss0r> :@ !
[03:52:09] <miss0r> stupid stupid stupid! I hope I have enough leftover material to get this done
[03:55:51] <miss0r> I don't suppose I can intrest someone in a piece of modern art in the form of an expensive slap of HDPE?
[03:55:53] <miss0r> :)
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[03:57:12] <Deejay> moin
[03:57:17] <miss0r> mornin'
[03:57:43] <miss0r> Deejay: Can I intrest you in a modern art paper weight made from HDPE?
[04:00:20] <Deejay> can you show some pics?
[04:02:32] <miss0r> Deejay: I fscked up a tool offset; https://imgur.com
[04:02:45] <miss0r> So, the part is 4mm too small in both directions.
[04:04:25] <Deejay> the good bayer stuff ;)
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[04:05:39] <miss0r> 12mm thick too. Which makes it suck even more :)
[04:07:12] <Deejay> nice
[04:09:04] <miss0r> plus I've been at it since 4:30 this morning, because my idiot boss made a too optimistic deadline
[04:09:26] <Deejay> whoops ;)
[04:09:41] <Deejay> remembers me to Loet-michel ;)
[04:09:56] <miss0r> Indeed. Difference is; I'm selfemployed...
[04:10:05] <miss0r> But that does not exclude me from having an idiot boss
[04:10:06] <Deejay> so you are your boss? ;)
[04:10:10] <Deejay> ah k
[04:10:18] <gloops> what the coders need to do is write a voice script for linuxcnc
[04:10:48] <gloops> with instructions for the operator - who is bored and switched off or doing something else during machining
[04:11:17] <gloops> like 'now change the tool, no not the 10mm the 8mm idiot!'
[04:11:39] <Deejay> yeah, with alexa & siri support
[04:11:48] <Deejay> so google & apple know what you mill ;)
[04:12:57] <gloops> you get the whole sequence of operations right, the drawing, the cam, the job setup, then you do something stupid, one small mistake and its ruined, usually after about 2 hours cutting
[04:13:41] <miss0r> sounds like my breakefast
[04:14:05] <Deejay> lol
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[04:14:21] <Deejay> gents, awaiting customer, have to prepare some stuff. laters!
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[04:52:45] <gloops> whats the consensus on reducing cutter shaft diameter - worth a go or not?
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[05:04:18] <gloops> think what ill do is turn a 15mm long tap on collar for the shaft, hold the collar in the lathe chuck, line the shaft in, then grind down with toolpost grinder - least resistance on shaft to move it
[05:06:25] <gloops> some messing about but some cutters are not available for er11, and i want this one
[05:14:57] <XXCoder> infinitely improbability drive
[05:15:34] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
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[05:41:50] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[05:42:07] <XXCoder> looks great! worked?
[05:42:35] <pink_vampire> i'm working on the second one
[05:42:36] <gloops> excellent
[05:43:56] <pink_vampire> the one in the picture it the one i cut too short, but it is totally functional
[05:44:07] <Laminae_> Coolant system?
[05:44:23] <gloops> what holds it in place?
[05:44:36] <pink_vampire> so i think i will make the other one also short
[05:44:50] <XXCoder> voodoo
[05:45:30] <pink_vampire> just hose with hose clamps
[05:45:44] <Laminae_> Hey XXCoder, i'm thinkin an experiment you might like
[05:46:03] <XXCoder> whats it
[05:46:10] <gloops> ahh right so a piece of the wider hose clamped to each part
[05:46:13] <Laminae_> I see all these fogbust esque products and diy versions, haven't seen anyone 3d print an option
[05:46:17] <gloops> the brass isnt an insert
[05:46:33] <Laminae_> As long as a need valve can seal i think it will work fine
[05:46:37] <XXCoder> fogbust esque?
[05:46:46] <Laminae_> fogbuster*
[05:47:36] <pink_vampire> it is just a reducer from 1" barb to 3/8" barb
[05:50:37] <jthornton> morning
[05:50:43] <XXCoder> hey
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[06:10:51] <Tom_L> morning
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[06:12:09] <jthornton> dang nothing but rain here for the next week
[06:13:41] <Tom_L> 45�F Hi 58 mostly sunny
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[06:43:23] <Blumax> Hello
[06:45:29] <Blumax> I am looking for a python command to retrieve the contents of a parameter contained in the var file.
[06:45:32] <Blumax> I want to recover the parameter 5070, indicates if the last G38 is correctly finished. You know how to do python?
[06:45:55] <jthornton> 2.7 or master?
[06:49:42] <Blumax> 2.8
[06:58:40] <jthornton> you could test probing to see if it is still in progress
[06:59:03] <jthornton> I don't see a way to get a parameter with the python interface
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[07:01:17] <Blumax> I want to know if the probing is successful or not.
[07:02:31] <jthornton> I understand...
[07:04:33] <cpresser> not exactly what you want, but you could use hal to look at motion.probe-input. detect an edge, and latch that value
[07:04:45] <Blumax> Otherwise I can compare on the values of probed_position which must have changed. But it's a shame not to be able to recover the contents of 5070.
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[07:05:30] <jthornton> yes, I thought there was a way but I'm not finding it
[07:06:06] <jthornton> it makes sense to be able to read probe success/fail somehow in the python interface
[07:06:27] <cpresser> you could use "M68 E0 <#5070>"
[07:06:56] <cpresser> directly after the G38, then read the value of motion.abalog-out-00
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[07:10:14] <jthornton> I wonder if there is something similar to this http://linuxcnc.org for the parameters file
[07:10:30] <jthornton> of course you could use python to open and read the file...
[07:11:01] <cpresser> not sure if there is any guarantee on when linuxcnc does the write to the file. that seems rather hacky
[07:11:22] <jthornton> yea that is a real concern
[07:11:57] <jthornton> I assume Blumax is looking for a gui only solution???
[07:12:14] <cpresser> the M68 (or similar M-Codes) should do the trick for the given problem
[07:16:34] <Blumax> It is possible to change the value of a hal pin in the gcode (ocode) ?
[07:17:31] <Blumax> Because in this case I could put # 5070 in a hal pin and recover the value in the python.
[07:18:54] <cpresser> Blumax: yes, with M6x http://linuxcnc.org
[07:20:36] <cpresser> you also can use O-Code fo do something like "if #5070: output0=1; else output0=0" (pseudocode)
[07:20:58] <cpresser> but using analog-out for that will save the O-code and just output the var value
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[07:27:57] <Blumax> M68 E0 Q20 not wgrite in motion.analog-in-00
[07:28:21] <Blumax> I just tested directly with the MDI and the hal meter
[07:28:54] <Blumax> sorry motion.analog-out-00 ! succes ^^
[07:30:24] <Blumax> Witch ocode M68 E0 Q#5070 not change motion.analog-out-00
[07:39:45] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[07:40:09] <pink_vampire> https://i.imgur.com
[07:40:17] <pink_vampire> Done!
[07:41:10] <jthornton> you make them on a manual lathe or cnc?
[07:41:59] <XXCoder> she dont own a cnc lathe so definitely manual
[07:42:15] <pink_vampire> manual
[07:42:48] <pink_vampire> on my emco lathe
[07:43:48] <pink_vampire> jthornton: ^
[07:43:51] <jthornton> very nice
[07:44:12] <pink_vampire> thanks <3
[08:11:54] <jthornton> on page 13 of http://www.digole.com can anyone tell me where they get the color numbers?
[08:13:19] <jthornton> I'm trying to figure out what the basic colors are white = 0 and black = 255 as far as I can finger out
[08:13:24] <pink_vampire> the color is hex
[08:13:50] <pink_vampire> E0 = red
[08:14:40] <SpeedEvil> Page 37
[08:14:56] <SpeedEvil> RRRGGGBB
[08:15:17] <jthornton> ah I see that now, thanks
[08:15:35] <SpeedEvil> np
[08:15:45] <jthornton> now to find a chart of the basic colors
[08:16:01] <SpeedEvil> https://blog.xkcd.com
[08:16:10] <SpeedEvil> Lets you work out which colour 'gay' is.
[08:16:25] <pink_vampire> it is the same as html colors
[08:17:00] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: not for 8 bit values
[08:17:13] <SpeedEvil> (8 bit packed 256 colour mode)
[08:18:11] <pink_vampire> i mean just to get the hex value for the colors
[08:20:43] <jthornton> hmm all the charts I see have 3 values and my choice is 0-255
[08:21:31] <pink_vampire> you mean rr gg bb?
[08:21:37] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: Take the first three most significant bits of the red value, put in the three most significant bits of the colour.
[08:21:52] <SpeedEvil> repeat for green and blue - with three and two bits each to get the packed 8 bit value
[08:22:11] <SpeedEvil> (obviously approximate)
[08:25:16] <jthornton> ok, let me see if I can sort that out
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[08:34:32] <jthornton> by golly I think I got it... thanks for the help
[08:34:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:05:36] <pink_vampire> https://imgur.com
[09:07:55] <pink_vampire> the whole album of making those parts
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[10:03:52] <phaxx> that's cool. I assume that's not going in a car with a hose size like that. what's it for?
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[10:45:49] <jdh> spindle coolant?
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[11:35:16] <{HD}> Yes
[11:36:17] <{HD}> pink_vampire: those turned out well much better then my nylon ones would have been!
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[12:10:59] <pink_vampire> phaxx: 60K rpm spindle coolant
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[12:12:01] <fragalot> hey
[12:12:11] <pink_vampire> {HD}: yeah, I love how they turn out
[12:12:16] <pink_vampire> hi fragalot
[12:12:33] <pink_vampire> fragalot: https://imgur.com
[12:13:30] <phaxx> nice.
[12:14:24] <fragalot> very nice, but 2 friendly pieces of advice: barbs should be sharp, not really deburred, and a radius is very nice to have at the base of the barb to make it much stronger
[12:14:41] <fragalot> I really like how you tapered it in properly :P
[12:18:16] <fragalot> miss0r: just bought an EWM picotig 200 puls TG to replace my swiss contimac
[12:18:17] <roycroft> the fillet is the more important thing
[12:19:43] <fragalot> its' fine if it is a static application
[12:20:30] <roycroft> it's on a radiator that i assume is going into a vehicle that moves and vibrates
[12:20:33] <syyl_> fragalot :O :O :Ø
[12:20:38] <sync> fragalot: the taper actually makes it worse
[12:20:46] <syyl_> ewm <3
[12:20:48] <fragalot> sync: that depends on what you want from the fitting
[12:20:50] <fragalot> syyl_: :D
[12:21:06] <sync> no, almost always it is worse, although it is lighter
[12:21:21] <fragalot> picking it up on monday, as they insist on making it fully ready-to-go with an hour of demo & education
[12:21:24] <sync> I've done extensive CFD on stuff like that
[12:22:10] <fragalot> sync: then why is it required on large CIP systems?
[12:22:18] <fragalot> aside from hygiene reasons
[12:23:13] <sync> I have no idea, flow wise it does not make sense
[12:23:47] <sync> I guess because you can get a dead pocket flow wise, but it will not increase your performance
[12:23:58] <fragalot> it may be more turbulent, but I wouldn't have expected a larger pressure drop
[12:24:15] <fragalot> then again - i've never done a CFD myself :-)
[12:24:34] <sync> there is a significant increase in pressure drop
[12:24:43] <fragalot> interesting
[12:24:50] <sync> as you get a highly turbulent zone right infront of the opening
[12:24:56] <fragalot> especially because almost all of the welding reductions are tapered
[12:24:59] <sync> that constricts the effective diameter
[12:25:37] <sync> well, most sanitary piping is not flow critical
[12:26:01] <fragalot> syyl_: could I interest you in a swiss made scratch start TIG from the 90's ? free of charge, pick-up only... comes with free swiss made auto-darkening helmet. :P
[12:26:11] <sync> it was extremely non obvious to me as well
[12:26:38] <syyl_> lol
[12:26:39] <syyl_> :D
[12:26:47] <roycroft> fragalot: the reason it is used in sanitary systems is exactly for sanitary reasons
[12:26:49] <fragalot> sync: yea :D
[12:26:49] <syyl_> thanks, i have a chinese dc puls tig with HF start
[12:27:08] <fragalot> syyl_: still though. this one has "made in switzerland" on it
[12:27:23] <fragalot> and you can get add-on units to do the HF Start part
[12:27:23] <roycroft> sharp transitions are bug traps
[12:27:24] <fragalot> :D
[12:27:43] <fragalot> you also have FULL control over the pre- and post gas flows... as it's a manual needle valve on the torch
[12:27:48] <syyl_> a half-ton transformer from messer has also "made in germany" on it, but i can resist to buy it for that :D
[12:27:58] <fragalot> lol
[12:28:05] <fragalot> this one is only like 10kg or so I think
[12:28:18] <roycroft> if using tapered transitions restricts flow too much for the application the solution is to use bigger plumbing components, not to eliminate the tapered transitions
[12:28:34] <fragalot> syyl_: oh btw, I went to check on that deckel and we're going to get it shipped to us in january
[12:28:41] <sync> fragalot: the reason I spent so much time on that was for motorsport applications
[12:28:42] <syyl_> cool
[12:28:46] <syyl_> !
[12:28:50] <sync> and it turns out, simpler is actually better
[12:29:21] <fragalot> syyl_: aye :) also comes with a lister cabinet filled to the brim with iso40 tool holders, as the shop is changing to HSK
[12:29:36] <fragalot> and, I got a nice rundown of the machine's history
[12:30:07] <fragalot> it's lived an incredibly easy life, a large portion of it in storage due to lawsuits
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[12:30:19] <sync> haha, that sounds like our lathe
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[12:30:33] <roycroft> i'm actually figuring out how to deal with that situation right now with a non-sanitary hose configuration
[12:30:54] <fragalot> roycroft: there are always larger diameters available. :P
[12:30:59] <roycroft> i have a dust extractor that comes with a tapered hose - it's 36mm in diameter at the extractor end and it tapers down to 27mm
[12:31:06] <roycroft> that's what i just said, fragalot
[12:31:14] <fragalot> thats why I repeated it
[12:31:16] <roycroft> the tapered hose is no big deal
[12:31:21] <roycroft> except i need it to be longer
[12:31:30] <roycroft> and i happen to have a second, identical tapered hose
[12:31:37] <roycroft> i got a coupler to join the two
[12:31:47] <fragalot> go so big that you've reduced the air speed to near zero and the hose becomes the collection bin
[12:31:56] <roycroft> thinking it would not be an issue, since i'll be extracting sawdust and small chips that are <27mm in size
[12:32:18] <sync> or you can get just some regular vacuum hose in the length you need
[12:32:22] <roycroft> but what i found is that at the transition, the 27mm end gets stuffed full of sawdust and small chips and the hose is clogged
[12:32:41] <sync> of y
[12:32:43] <sync> ehh
[12:32:47] <roycroft> the hose has carbon embedded in it so that it is conductive
[12:32:50] <fragalot> sync: is the tapered part a problem in both directions btw? (eg. small->large)
[12:32:54] <sync> or you just connect them together the other way
[12:32:59] <roycroft> the solution will be to get a 36mm diameter non-tapered hose
[12:33:05] <sync> obviously, which is why I said get vacuum hose
[12:33:09] <roycroft> that is a $150 solution
[12:33:25] <roycroft> most shop vac hoses are non-conductive
[12:33:33] <sync> fragalot: no, going bigger is ok
[12:33:36] <roycroft> the conductive ones are expensive
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[12:33:54] <roycroft> this is a work in progress
[12:34:06] <roycroft> i did not expect that joining the two hoses would be the ultimate solution
[12:34:07] <fragalot> yeah i was surprised how expensive those things are
[12:34:21] <roycroft> my concern was more about restricted airflow than clogging
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[12:34:29] <roycroft> since, as i said, i'm mostly extracting very fine sawdust
[12:34:42] <roycroft> what i did was build an overhead boom for the extractor
[12:34:46] <sync> the hoses are like 5€/m
[12:34:50] <sync> it is not too bad
[12:35:07] <fragalot> sync: please tell me where you get conductive hoses from at that price
[12:35:15] <fragalot> asking for a friend
[12:35:30] <roycroft> and my 3m hose was not long enough to go up the boom and have enough reach to be useful
[12:35:41] <roycroft> but the boom setup works brilliantly otherwise
[12:35:51] <roycroft> and i built a cart for the extractor + the boom arm for <$100
[12:35:54] <fragalot> I've got mine suspended from the ceiling in my shed
[12:36:02] <roycroft> vs. paying $500 for the "proper" festool boom
[12:36:12] <fragalot> which is both brilliant as it reaches everywhere, and very annoying because it's always in the way
[12:36:31] <roycroft> actually, the festool boom would have cost me way more than that
[12:36:39] <roycroft> because it does not fit my extractor - it only fits the larger models
[12:37:15] <roycroft> fragalot: i got a little cart at harbor freight and built a mount for the boom and a mount for the extractor on the cart
[12:37:22] <roycroft> so i can wheel it around
[12:37:25] <roycroft> and the boom swivels
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[12:37:37] <fragalot> I don't have the space for something to wheel around
[12:37:49] <roycroft> i've not finished constructing it yet
[12:37:56] <sync> fragalot: the local pneumatics supplier here had some for that price
[12:38:04] <roycroft> but when i do finish, it will be no big deal to get another hose for the extractor
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[12:38:30] <roycroft> $150 is a lot of money, but i still come in way cheaper than buying the festool boom (which comes with a 36mm 1.5m hose extension)
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[13:12:45] <merkatorix> when I have problems getting linuxcnc to work and lubuntu might work better, is it recommendet to install linuxcnc on lubuntu?
[13:13:41] <pink_vampire> no
[13:16:14] <roycroft> it's hard to answer your question, merkatorix, because you have not indicated what problems you're having with linuxcnc nor the platform on which you've tried to install it
[13:17:09] <merkatorix> I'm installing it on a J4005N board. And linuxcnc doesn't recognize the Realtek ethernet, nor my TPlink wlan, i bought some hours ago to fix that.
[13:17:33] <jthornton> that's not a linuxcnc issue but an OS issue
[13:17:41] <roycroft> linuxcnc should have no concept of the underlying network adapter
[13:17:44] <jthornton> what OS are you using?
[13:17:44] <merkatorix> So it seems a modern linux runs a lot smoother, allowing me to install all the necessary stuff and I could additionaly install the realtime kernel
[13:18:17] <jthornton> so get the most recent version of linuxcnc on debian...
[13:18:32] <merkatorix> I thought linuxcnc means the os. I am using the debian OS linuxcnc is packaged with.
[13:18:37] * roycroft takes the easier route and pulls some teeth :)
[13:18:42] <jthornton> which one?
[13:19:01] <merkatorix> I don't know. It was the most recent they offered on their homepage.
[13:19:02] * jthornton agrees with roycroft
[13:19:07] <merkatorix> 2 days ago
[13:19:56] <merkatorix> linuxcnc 2.7 wheezy
[13:20:04] <roycroft> that's pretty ancient
[13:20:25] <roycroft> two major releases old
[13:20:51] <jthornton> merkatorix: http://linuxcnc.org stretch is newer
[13:21:18] <roycroft> stretch is the current debian release
[13:21:43] <merkatorix> Is that beta?
[13:22:07] <jthornton> no, it's LinuxCNC 2.7 which has been out forever maybe longer
[13:22:24] <merkatorix> Why is wheezy 2.7 linked at the frontpage then?
[13:22:30] <jthornton> do you need master like for a gantry or something
[13:22:44] <roycroft> iirc realtek is proprietary, and drivers may not be bundled with the base os, as debian is rather closed-source phobic
[13:22:45] <jthornton> no idea
[13:22:59] <roycroft> but there are binary-only drivers available for much proprietary hardware
[13:23:19] <jthornton> and to add to what roycroft said you may need to build from a net install to get that stuff
[13:23:33] <jthornton> I have instructions if you want that...
[13:23:52] <jthornton> but try stretch first
[13:23:54] <merkatorix> Is just using lubuntu, replacing the kernel and installing linuxcnc a bad idea then?
[13:24:05] <jthornton> no, have fun
[13:24:12] <roycroft> you can do whatever you want
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[13:24:32] <jthornton> might keep you busy for a while...
[13:24:36] <merkatorix> because that sounds way easier to me and leaves me in a well known environment.
[13:24:39] <merkatorix> Really?
[13:24:46] * jthornton goes back to cleaning chicken poop
[13:24:51] <roycroft> but if you run an os that is directly supported by linuxcnc or, at least, familiar to the linuxcnc folks, you'll have a better chance of getting help
[13:25:11] <merkatorix> Why isn't that the fastest way? Then I have the realtime kernel and linuxcnc.
[13:25:25] <merkatorix> Or will the rest of lubuntu slow down the realtime capability too much?
[13:25:31] <jthornton> you should try it then come back here and let us know how it worked out
[13:25:39] <roycroft> i don't know
[13:25:53] <jthornton> really time to finish cleaning up chicken poop
[13:26:03] <roycroft> maybe the folks who run linuxcnc on lubuntu will chime in and offer their thoughts
[13:26:22] * roycroft looks around
[13:26:58] <CaptHindsight> merkatorix: all depends on how well you are at building and installing Linux packages and dealing with dependencies
[13:27:00] <rmu> merkatorix: the base OS doesn't matter that much, IFF you are comfortable building your own realtime kernel and linuxcnc from source
[13:27:11] <roycroft> and i am correct, the realtek driver is binary-only (non-free they call it), and is not installed by default
[13:27:44] <merkatorix> https://github.com
[13:27:46] <roycroft> rmu: it only matters in that nobody here is likely going to be able to help with os issues
[13:27:54] <merkatorix> It sounds as if I only have to download the realtime kernel
[13:28:02] <merkatorix> No compiling needed
[13:28:23] <roycroft> ubuntu is based closely on debian
[13:28:29] <CaptHindsight> merkatorix: you have to build LCNC against the real time kernel version
[13:28:33] <roycroft> i don't know if they have the same policy about proprietary drivers
[13:28:43] <rmu> roycroft: if you manage to build you own kernel packages that shouldn't be an issue
[13:28:44] <roycroft> if they do then you'll still need to install the realtek driver
[13:29:13] <roycroft> it sounds like you know what you need to do, merkatorix
[13:29:23] <merkatorix> Well, I can restart whenever I need internet, couldn't I
[13:29:24] <roycroft> and if you feel comfortable attempting it, by all means, go for it
[13:30:09] <merkatorix> Because I don't have any other computer in my workshop that makes all the tinkering and updating a lot easier.
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[13:30:12] <roycroft> all i'm saying is that if you need help with the os, your best chance of getting help is by using an os that is commonly used by other linuxcnc users
[13:30:25] <merkatorix> And that is only debian?
[13:30:37] <roycroft> i think that's by far the most common os
[13:30:55] <roycroft> but i know some folks use other linux variants
[13:31:53] * rmu raspbian, debian, kubuntu, mint (arm and x86), ...
[13:31:54] <CaptHindsight> merkatorix: what he is saying is that the easiest way to get LCNC is to use the Live CD, if you want to install it some other way on another distro most here can't or won't be of help
[13:32:13] <pcw_home> merkatorix what motion control hardware are you using?
[13:32:18] <roycroft> the problem with the livecd is that the network driver is not there
[13:32:26] <roycroft> because it's a "non-free" driver
[13:32:45] <roycroft> but he can download that driver onto a thumb drive and install it after doing the install from the livecd
[13:32:56] <merkatorix> It is some parallel port CNC6040
[13:33:20] <merkatorix> roycroft, I am about to follow the dkms tipp right now. Already downloaded it.
[13:33:32] <pcw_home> Does wheezy work otherwise?
[13:33:52] * roycroft thinks that the weezy livecd should be removed from the linuxcnc website
[13:33:56] <roycroft> wheezy
[13:34:49] <roycroft> but that's not really germane to this issue, so i'll say nothing further about it now
[13:34:52] <pcw_home> I think the issue is that for parallel port systems on slow CPUs (and a 4005 is slow) you probably still want RTAI
[13:35:09] <roycroft> wheezy/jessie/stretch will all have the same issue with the realtek driver
[13:35:13] <roycroft> and the same simple solution
[13:35:39] <CaptHindsight> stay away from Debian :)
[13:35:43] <pcw_home> and AFAIK there is no RTAI kernel for newer OSes than Wheezy
[13:36:59] <CaptHindsight> nothing provided by the LCNC devs
[13:37:02] <roycroft> pcw_home: then perhaps it should not be removed, but not be the default/easiest to find distro
[13:37:11] <CaptHindsight> you'd have to build it yourself
[13:37:24] <pcw_home> which is quite painful
[13:37:36] <roycroft> jthornton has done all the work for you
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[13:38:13] <CaptHindsight> the LCNC devs only have so much time and energy
[13:38:21] <merkatorix> wait, so stretch comes without realtime kernel?
[13:38:51] <roycroft> jthornton posted a link to a linuxcnc distro running on stretch with a realtime kernel
[13:39:02] <pcw_home> I think JT provides Preempt-RT kernels
[13:39:08] <roycroft> yes, his are preempt-rt
[13:39:27] <CaptHindsight> merkatorix: yes, RTAI does not come with Stretch, not sure if there are preempt_rt patches for you to download
[13:40:08] <CaptHindsight> I guess check with JT about preempt_rt patches for your distro of interest
[13:40:14] <roycroft> and if merkatorix' machine really needs rtai, then the wheezy distro might be fine, as long as the machine is not connected to the interenet
[13:40:26] <roycroft> internet
[13:40:47] <roycroft> i should hope that most linuxcnc machines are not on the internet anyway
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[13:43:31] <CaptHindsight> memleak just helped someone build RTAI for 3.16 with Ubuntu
[13:43:53] <CaptHindsight> the only issue was Grub
[13:44:44] <merkatorix> weired news. Altough compiling the driver failed and I can't remember that I did something else... the internet now works
[13:44:50] <merkatorix> o.O
[13:44:59] <merkatorix> Well... stuff I probably should not question
[13:45:35] <CaptHindsight> LCNC with RTAI runs on Scientific Linux now
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[13:46:55] <CaptHindsight> odd distro, no firewall by default, lots of open ports
[13:48:13] <merkatorix> roycroft, why should I stay away from the internet?
[13:48:37] <merkatorix> And the jitter is around 25µs
[13:49:57] <roycroft> because i don't think you want someone from mongolia messing with your mill at 3am
[13:50:46] <roycroft> especially if you're running an old operating system
[13:51:21] * roycroft has nothing against mongolians, per se
[13:54:34] <CaptHindsight> I store all my data as double negative complementary
[13:55:49] <sync> roycroft: YOLO
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[13:56:57] <FinboySlick> Sneaky mongolians. Only way to stop them is a wall.
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[13:57:02] <roycroft> some disagree, sync
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[13:57:25] <roycroft> and in the next life you may be reincarnated as a cnc milling machine
[13:57:40] <roycroft> you probably would not want to be controlled by random mongolians
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[13:57:53] <roycroft> we need a shitty wall1
[13:57:55] <roycroft> !
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[14:09:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org
[14:11:46] <SpeedEvil> neat
[14:13:44] <CaptHindsight> The volume of the iro3d metal 3D printer is approximately 300 x 300 x 100 mm. Minimum layer thickness measures up at 0.3mm, while the system’s “pourer” (or hot end equivalent) is 1mm in diameter. Approximate print time is listed at 24 hours.
[14:21:25] <CaptHindsight> how useful are those metal parts at the res it prints?
[14:22:01] <CaptHindsight> if you don't have machine tools
[14:22:47] <SpeedEvil> That depends.
[14:22:52] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: depends entirely on what you need from them
[14:22:58] <SpeedEvil> A tiny amount of work with a file will clean up a lot.
[14:23:10] <fragalot> if you're printing ornamental wraught iron gate pieces, who cares :D
[14:23:31] <SpeedEvil> Or, for example, a hole for a bearing to be fitted with epoxy - is not particularly critical.
[14:23:36] <Tom_L> expensive gate
[14:23:42] <CaptHindsight> 1mm x 1mm x .3mm res
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[14:26:27] <CaptHindsight> is $5k off putting?
[14:27:16] <SpeedEvil> If you're using it regularly, no.
[14:27:59] <CaptHindsight> i was figuring 100um xyz res
[14:28:45] <SpeedEvil> Think of it as 'rough casting in any shape you like'
[14:28:52] <SpeedEvil> rather than final object then.
[14:29:31] <CaptHindsight> few second layer times
[14:30:08] <CaptHindsight> not sure if the $5k includes the kiln
[14:31:31] <CaptHindsight> no kiln included
[14:33:04] <CaptHindsight> http://iro3d.com
[14:33:20] <CaptHindsight> For high-carbon steel the temperature is 1250°C ?
[14:34:42] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to make a few printers for metal and sand casting
[14:34:49] <Tom_L> after the kiln bake are the parts tempered or anealed
[14:34:57] <CaptHindsight> only using LCNC for control
[14:35:26] <CaptHindsight> so I expect massive heart attacks from the reprap smoothie crowd
[14:37:28] <CaptHindsight> Horizontal resolution: 0.05mm ? maybe they mean res of the axis movement
[14:37:55] <CaptHindsight> Min height of a detail: 0.3mm, Min width of a detail: 1mm
[14:39:26] <CaptHindsight> Tom_L: you're free to do what you wish, melt temp is higher than what they list...
[14:39:55] <CaptHindsight> you could heat treat after
[14:40:19] <Blumax> Re
[14:40:19] <Blumax> Well, I still can not find a clean solution to read the variables of the var file directly in python (Without reading the file directly which is not necessarily updated instantly). Evening people have an idea?
[14:52:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.zianet.com
[15:00:37] <pink_vampire> do you know if there is something like that for 14 AWG wires?
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[15:06:17] <jthornton> Blumax: same people as this morning...
[15:06:58] <jthornton> Blumax: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[15:07:10] <jthornton> no answer from the forum either...
[15:08:38] <Blumax> Oh that's so nice, thank you :)
[15:10:07] <jthornton> yw
[15:18:32] * jthornton wanders to the chicken yard to make some dust bathing dirt
[15:19:01] <miss0r> fragalot: nice pics7link?
[15:19:10] <miss0r> fragalot: nice pics/link?*
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[15:38:20] <{HD}> My new spindle mount is almost finished printing!
[15:38:42] <{HD}> jthornton: how do you make dust dirt?
[15:38:54] <pink_vampire> printing?????
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[15:41:02] <miss0r> pink_vampire: calm down. Everyone needs to start somewhere :)
[15:41:47] <pink_vampire> i just surprised by that
[15:42:09] * FinboySlick for his part is silently passing judgment.
[15:42:17] <miss0r> :]
[15:44:34] <miss0r> bah... I've been working for 17 hours straight now.
[15:44:51] <gregcnc> the joy of being self employed?
[15:44:53] <miss0r> I think I'll be done in another hour. Good thing I'm done soon; mistakes are starting to happen
[15:44:57] <miss0r> Indeed
[15:46:27] <{HD}> Yea! Printing! This thing is awesome!
[15:47:01] <pink_vampire> share some pictures from your stuff
[15:47:07] <miss0r> okay; I just have to ask. {HD}: Spindle mount for what?
[15:47:30] <pink_vampire> sounds very interesting
[15:48:18] <{HD}> For my cnc. I upgraded to a liquid cooled from an aircooled. Needed a new mount
[15:48:37] <{HD}> I’ll take pictures once its on.
[15:48:53] <miss0r> Why aren't you milling a bracket out of alu instead of printing a plastic one? :S
[15:48:54] <pink_vampire> do before and after
[15:49:48] <pink_vampire> miss0r: my HF spindle also mount with Plastic mount (1.5" think pvc)
[15:50:00] <{HD}> Because I don’t have any aluminum left.
[15:50:11] <miss0r> pink_vampire: Indeed.
[15:50:33] <miss0r> {HD}: If there ever was an excuse to go buy some? :) (you'd need something to test that new spindle on afterwards as well)
[15:51:08] <pink_vampire> the chip load when you cut with 60K rpm is almost 0 (zero)
[15:51:36] <{HD}> And it is reinforced nylon so pretty strong stuff
[15:51:44] <miss0r> That very much depends on how you run it
[15:51:45] <{HD}> Especially after annealing
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[15:55:14] <pink_vampire> {HD}: pics or it didnt happen
[15:55:32] <{HD}> Haha
[16:13:05] <miss0r> so... still didn't happen?
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[16:17:01] <miss0r> bah. I need to whip up three alu brackets.. and all my stock is way too big..
[16:20:15] <fragalot> miss0r: that's never stopped you before?
[16:21:05] <fragalot> miss0r: https://www.ewm-sales.com <== that one, but with a 260A upgraded torch
[16:21:30] <miss0r> That looks cute
[16:21:43] <miss0r> I only thought you went out for more argon? :D
[16:21:55] <fragalot> well, one thing leads to another
[16:22:14] <fragalot> also, turns out the local gas supply was bought by a dutch company so they now only have bottles with a dutch connection
[16:22:21] <fragalot> which is not compatible with my belgian regulators
[16:22:28] <fragalot> so I needed a new regulator
[16:22:39] <fragalot> so I went to the only welding shop that was open
[16:22:57] <fragalot> and they reel you in with "hey try this one"
[16:23:07] <miss0r> :D
[16:23:10] <fragalot> :P
[16:23:12] <miss0r> This happens
[16:23:18] * fragalot has no self control
[16:23:46] <fragalot> picking it up on monday
[16:24:03] <fragalot> and a new helmet because my old one keeps conking out
[16:24:42] <miss0r> :D
[16:24:47] <miss0r> I know the feeling
[16:25:04] <miss0r> That is how I ended up with a EDM die sinker.
[16:25:13] <miss0r> well.. the part about having no self control atleast
[16:25:25] <fragalot> the last straw really was when I just tried my tig welder again and it keeps going into this low current mode every time you get the arc too close (ie. at the proper distance)
[16:25:47] <fragalot> so you have to pull the arc back ~10mm for it to get it's oomph back
[16:26:04] * JT-Shop just got a new helment and the arc is much brighter and easier to see
[16:26:14] <miss0r> :D
[16:26:22] <miss0r> I found some stainless stock I can use. To the lathe
[16:26:29] <JT-Shop> better for an old fart
[16:26:30] <fragalot> wait
[16:26:41] <fragalot> miss0r: how are you going to make alubrackets with stainless stock on a lathe
[16:26:43] <miss0r> waiting...
[16:26:53] <miss0r> am I waiting for THAT? :)
[16:26:56] <fragalot> :D
[16:27:04] <miss0r> Was planning alu, ended up with stainless :D
[16:27:07] <miss0r> nuff' said
[16:27:29] <miss0r> its sandwiched between two sheets of HDPE, so it doesn't matter much
[16:27:34] <miss0r> now: off to the lathe!!
[16:28:13] <fragalot> JT-Shop: supposedly the helmet I got is a lot better to darken the arc itself but keep the surrounding area brighter
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[16:28:24] <fragalot> curious to find out the difference compared to the current one
[16:28:42] <CaptHindsight> i weld by feel
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[16:29:10] <CaptHindsight> saves the eyes buy harder on the fingers
[16:29:23] <fragalot> get yourself some goat leather gloves, CaptHindsight
[16:29:28] <fragalot> :P
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[17:23:06] <miss0r> fragalot: Done! Sweet mother of christ, finally done
[17:25:45] <miss0r> This is what I've spend the last 8 or so hours designing and building: https://imgur.com
[17:31:23] <miss0r> Thats it. I'll hit the hay. See you around
[17:31:30] <Blumax> jthornton, Can we do (PRINT, VAL: # 5070) is it possible to recover in python the stderr?
[17:34:37] <DaViruz> miss0r: fancy beer dispenser!
[17:35:32] <miss0r> DaViruz: Not a beer dispenser - I am not from Sweden :] Its actually for feeding a sticks into a cotton swap maker
[17:37:06] <andypugh> Lathe parting-off problems solved: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[17:37:32] <gregcnc> somehow I envisioned that prior to clicking the link
[17:37:47] <andypugh> Blumax: To see a parameter value use (DEBUG, VAL: #5070)
[17:38:19] <DaViruz> i'd like to see that in a tool turret in a cnc lathe.
[17:39:03] <andypugh> I think it is going to work, though I didn’t go far into that bit of Aluminium in case I needed it later.
[17:40:02] <djdelorie> andypugh: but not a *toolpost* bandsaw? ;-)
[17:40:39] <andypugh> There isn’t rally room for it on the toopost, which is a shame as currently setting the Z position isn’t all that easy.
[17:41:49] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: The case is surprisingly decent for that bandsaw. Almost not disposable.
[17:41:56] <DaViruz> maybe there's some tool that fits in the toolpost that can do the job? ;)
[17:42:10] <Blumax> andypugh, How do we get the data after?
[17:42:24] <Blumax> (witch python)
[17:42:39] <andypugh> Ah, you want a parameter in Python?
[17:42:41] <andypugh> Hmm
[17:42:52] <Blumax> mcode to python
[17:43:03] <Blumax> param 5070 have probe sucess or not
[17:46:34] <andypugh> I can’t help in the general case
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[17:47:58] <andypugh> But there is linuxcnc.stat().probed_position and probe_tripped
[17:48:32] <jthornton> hi andypugh
[17:49:01] <andypugh> Hi JT
[17:49:13] <jthornton> I wonder how much trouble it would be to add stat().probe_complete or fail?
[17:53:10] <andypugh> doesn’t probe_tripped do that?
[17:54:06] <Blumax> i try this
[17:54:12] <jthornton> hmm yes... just thinking a bit
[17:54:29] <andypugh> stdglue.py uses self.params[‘name’] but I don’t think that works outside a remap
[17:57:22] <andypugh> This is clunky, but if you wait until s.motion_type != MOTION_TYPE_PROBING and then check that probe_tripped == TRUE I think you can tell that the probe worked.
[18:00:48] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:05:24] <jthornton> that would only work with G38.2 and G38.3 you would need a separate test for G38.4 and G38.5
[18:05:38] <jthornton> Blumax: what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:07:26] <Blumax> A probing screen with mcode
[18:08:40] <jthornton> with mcode?
[18:08:48] <Blumax> ocode sorry
[18:09:15] <jthornton> like probing routines?
[18:09:32] <jthornton> that is all G code...
[18:10:54] <Blumax> yes routines
[18:12:11] <jthornton> take a gander at this http://www.mesaus.com
[18:15:31] <andypugh> Not using Python, though.
[18:16:14] <jthornton> no, that is just G code subroutines
[18:17:28] <jthornton> Blumax: https://github.com have you seen that?
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[18:19:27] <Blumax> I watch this after
[18:20:47] <jthornton> it's a probe screen in python... not a video
[18:21:27] <Blumax> English is not my mother tongue, sorry.
[18:24:47] <jthornton> no problem
[18:42:15] <jthornton> Blumax: there is some discussion on #linuxcnc-devel about probing http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
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[18:46:57] <Blumax> self.stat.probe_works well it looks like
[18:47:15] <Blumax> And result of last G38
[18:51:30] <Blumax> Thank you for everything, I'll watch this. My project will be on github, I will report to you when this will be done;)
[18:51:46] <Blumax> Good night ;)
[18:52:09] <jthornton> good night
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[19:37:48] <xnke> Hey folks
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[19:39:19] <Xnke> I'm working on how to use my current 7i96 in combination with an 8i20 motor driver to run my spindle motor-does anyone have any information on using the 8i20?
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[20:27:40] <andypugh> Xnke: Still there?
[20:27:52] <Xnke> Yeah Andy
[20:27:56] <andypugh> I own 5 8i20s
[20:28:02] <andypugh> And used them all today :-)
[20:28:14] <Xnke> Nice. I still need to get LInuxcnc installed properly
[20:28:19] <andypugh> (2 on the lathe, 3 on the mill)
[20:29:31] <andypugh> The 8i20 is dumb but good, unfortunately it is such a “dumb” drive that you have to do a fair bit of work for it at the config stage.
[20:29:51] <andypugh> What are your motors, and what feedback do they have?
[20:29:57] <XXCoder> yo
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[20:31:43] <andypugh> Sometimes it is very easy, I have one servo with a 4 pile motor and x2 resolver that is properly aligned and that one only takes one line of HAL to connect resolver position to 8i20 rotor position. Others need a bit more work.
[20:32:10] <Xnke> It's a 900W AC Servo, with an incremental quadrature encoder that gives A/B/Index pulses
[20:32:37] <andypugh> OK, so no commutation signals?
[20:33:11] <andypugh> (That’s a little unusual with an AC servo)
[20:33:19] <Xnke> The servo appears to be a 4 pole, there are 8 detents when all three phases are shorted together
[20:33:37] <andypugh> Yes, that’s an 8-pole then.
[20:33:45] <andypugh> No, 4 pole
[20:33:52] <andypugh> (it’s late here)
[20:34:06] <Xnke> heh, yeah. I have friends in your locale
[20:34:38] <andypugh> Can you afford to have the motor twitch during start-up?
[20:34:44] <Xnke> Sure, it's a spindle motor
[20:34:56] <andypugh> Best is to allow one full motor rev, to find the index.
[20:35:09] <andypugh> Spindles are certainly easier.
[20:35:50] <Xnke> I figure we just tell the 8i20 to start spinning the motor, because even if we're 45 degrees out of phase, you'll still get 70% of the max torque-then as soon as the index pulse comes around, adjust the phase, right?
[20:35:52] <andypugh> OK, so you can use the “bldc” HAL compinent (which was basically written as a companion to the 8i20 (and 7i49)
[20:37:10] <andypugh> What actually happens is that you run the motor as a stepper until index (rotor chases field) then switch to proper commutation (field runs away from rotor)
[20:37:48] <Xnke> Right, that's the plan
[20:38:02] <Xnke> But before I drop the money on the 8i20, I gotta make sure I can make it work
[20:38:33] <andypugh> I guaratee that we can make it work.
[20:38:55] <andypugh> (you can find me here or on the forum, or the mailing list)
[20:38:58] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org
[20:39:00] <Xnke> Awesome.
[20:39:25] <andypugh> Is it a factory-installed encoder?
[20:39:39] <Xnke> Yes, Yaskawa
[20:39:46] <Xnke> OLD yaskawa
[20:39:55] <andypugh> If it is, then the chances are good that the index is aligned to motor zero.
[20:39:57] <Xnke> The motor was on a Biesse router
[20:40:13] <andypugh> Though there are many ways to define motor zero.
[20:40:40] <andypugh> Mesa-zero is + on A/U and - on BC/VW
[20:41:01] <Xnke> ?
[20:41:05] <Xnke> oh, ok
[20:41:11] <Xnke> I see, I missed a message
[20:41:12] <andypugh> (Not only are there many ways to define motor zero, there are several ways to label the wires)
[20:41:23] <Xnke> yeah
[20:41:41] <Xnke> well, I am fixing to head out to the shop to try and fix my Linuxcnc install
[20:42:05] <andypugh> Which version are you installing?
[20:42:06] <Xnke> I did the run-in-place install and it isn't...well it's not correct I think
[20:42:23] <Xnke> master, for the 7i96 stuff
[20:42:43] <andypugh> Do you have a reason to think you need the dev version?
[20:42:50] <andypugh> Yes, OK...
[20:43:16] <Xnke> 2.8 is the version I think I need, and I think that's the dev version
[20:44:15] <andypugh> Possibly easiest to install the stretch / preempt RT image (which is 2.7) then upgrade to 2.8 with the pre-compiled binaries from the buildbot
[20:44:40] <andypugh> That is a sentence that needs links :-)
[20:45:37] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org
[20:46:24] <andypugh> That as a fresh install should give you a PREEMPT-RT debian install and a working LinuxCNC.
[20:47:13] <Xnke> well, I installed Mint 19, and then compiled the kernel for preempt-RT
[20:47:20] <andypugh> Then: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org has instructions how to configure Synaptic to install precompiled dev versions
[20:47:28] <andypugh> Ah, OK.
[20:47:30] <Xnke> Then I git-got the master source and compliled it
[20:47:44] <andypugh> Buldbot might still be your friend..
[20:47:59] <andypugh> But. what you did should work.
[20:48:07] <andypugh> Is there a problem?
[20:49:12] <andypugh> There are 64 pages here, on Mint installs. That probably makes it not very helpful https://forum.linuxcnc.org
[20:49:27] <andypugh> jthornton: You run Mint, don’t you?
[20:51:36] <Xnke> I followed the installation guide on the forums, but I did the RIP install and not the build a package install
[20:52:24] <andypugh> That’s probably wise
[20:53:48] <Xnke> doing the package install?
[20:53:49] <andypugh> (You can point the menus and desktop icons at the RIP versions of the “linuxcnc” script (linuxcnc-dev/scripts/linuxcnc) and you won’t reallly see the difference.
[20:54:05] <andypugh> No, if you have compiled, carry on.
[20:54:12] <Xnke> because right now, i can't cd into the scripts folder and run anything
[20:54:29] <andypugh> Well, that’s odd
[20:54:34] <Xnke> Like if i am in the scripts folder, and I type $latency-test
[20:54:47] <andypugh> Who owns the linuxcnc-dev folder?
[20:54:54] <Xnke> User.
[20:55:09] <Xnke> but yeah if I type that, it gives an error.
[20:55:10] <andypugh> Try ./latency-test
[20:56:23] <Xnke> If I $bash latency-test, it ran once. then it gives an error
[20:56:31] <andypugh> Linux needs ./ for some scripts, I think it’s a scripting security thing.
[20:56:35] <Xnke> if I do ./latency-test, it gives an error too.
[20:56:45] <andypugh> What error?
[20:58:35] <Xnke> No such file or directory
[20:59:12] <andypugh> Just as an experiment.. sudo ./latency-test
[20:59:41] <andypugh> You often get “no such…” when it is there, but it isn’t yours
[21:03:57] <Xnke> yeah
[22:24:04] <{HD}> My spindle coolant lines get really stiff in the cold. Any recommendations for a better material type to use?
[22:26:51] <XXCoder> I recommand warmer envorment
[22:32:35] <pcw_home> If its a RIP install you must forts change to the scripts folder and type " . rip-environment"
[22:32:48] <pcw_home> s/forts/first/
[22:33:28] <pcw_home> then all the linuxcnc commands should work as is
[22:34:25] <tiwake> wonder if they make steel fiber braided hose lines
[22:34:36] <tiwake> just steel... no rubber inside
[22:34:38] <pcw_home> (in the shell that you set the RIP environment variables with . rip-environment)
[22:34:51] <tiwake> though a thin layer of nylon would be good
[22:34:51] <tiwake> hmm
[22:44:08] <XXCoder> man sometimes I love being pareon supporter. new clickspring video :)
[22:44:31] <XXCoder> oh its special, byzantire sundial calender
[22:47:55] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com public preview
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[22:54:00] <{HD}> XXCoder: to expensive to heat this whole area. I wonder if more of a surgical style tubing would be good... the pump isn’t that strong to crush it...
[22:54:29] <XXCoder> if you build "rooms" it would be easier to in least take edge off in local region
[22:55:07] <XXCoder> but same time it might limit your access to machine. depends on how large area is and how much room you has around the machine
[22:55:23] <XXCoder> depending on machine, how cold room is does also affect precision
[22:55:35] <XXCoder> old fadal and 2 of smaller robodrills is sensive to cold.
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[23:01:53] <{HD}> Maybe I could build some insulated movable partitions out there.
[23:02:14] <andypugh> [HD] I have a deeling that PTFE tubes stay floppy when cold.
[23:16:02] <{HD}> Aren’t teflon tubes stiff to start with? Or am I thinking of something else?
[23:19:41] <XXCoder> maybe he means it doesnt change properies in cold?
[23:19:56] <XXCoder> bit stiff but same in cold or warm
[23:22:02] <{HD}> Where can I buy knockoff aluminum extrusions? 8020 seems so expensive.
[23:27:26] <XXCoder> aliexpress
[23:27:33] <XXCoder> up to 550mm is very cheap
[23:27:46] <XXCoder> past that shipping shoots up fast
[23:28:05] <{HD}> Hum. I’ll give it a look.
[23:31:43] <{HD}> Well not bad. I need some 4040 1600long
[23:32:05] <XXCoder> yeah shipping kills saving so fast past 550mm :(
[23:34:30] <{HD}> Looks like the 1000mm sections including shipping aren’t that expensive. But I threw away my 8020 price sheet.
[23:37:42] <{HD}> I wish I had a welding table large enough and enough clamps to just weld up a quick cheap hss frame.
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[23:45:23] <XXCoder> man clickspring guy sur eloves the ancient vise he made for other project. hes using it for unrelated project also
[23:50:17] <XXCoder> know whats better than clickspring? binge watching clickspring videos you havent watched before. :D
[23:53:08] * roycroft is watching gold rush
[23:53:18] <roycroft> without the political ads
[23:53:56] <MarcelineVQ> That's a fun show, ignoring all the clearly staged reactions to things it's fun to watch mining gear go
[23:54:01] <roycroft> yeah
[23:54:17] <roycroft> i like watching tony beets and his crew beat up on their dredges
[23:54:36] <roycroft> i would hate to ever work with or near tony beets
[23:54:40] <roycroft> but he's fun to watch on tv
[23:54:49] <MarcelineVQ> got a few now eh? I stopped watching after the season where he got his running I think, not for any particular reason
[23:54:58] <roycroft> he's on his second one
[23:55:08] <roycroft> he bought it a couple years ago
[23:55:13] <roycroft> and he's just now starting to move it
[23:55:37] <roycroft> he had to buy a barge to move it and almost sunk it once and then broke the prop
[23:55:57] <MarcelineVQ> those dredges are no joke, heck of a project to fix up for fun
[23:56:02] <roycroft> yeah
[23:56:05] <roycroft> and
[23:56:08] <roycroft> this is the good news
[23:56:15] <roycroft> todd hoffman quit!
[23:56:19] <roycroft> there is no hoffman crew any more
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[23:57:00] <roycroft> it's parker, tony, and parker's old foreman rick, who is on his own this year
[23:57:00] <XXCoder> I thought you guys meant workers when said dredges for a moment, making me picture literal beating of workers
[23:57:14] <XXCoder> but then I remembered what dredge was
[23:57:20] <MarcelineVQ> is uhm, what's his name.. the white-hat that actually managed to run equipment properly from todd's side still around?
[23:57:30] <roycroft> tony beets buys 100 year old dredges that have sat and rusted for the last 50 years or so
[23:57:38] <roycroft> then he dismantles them and moves them to his claim
[23:57:55] <roycroft> oh, the competent guy from todd's crew :)
[23:57:59] <roycroft> freddy
[23:58:01] <roycroft> he's gone
[23:58:02] <MarcelineVQ> hehe workers are drudges :>
[23:59:43] <roycroft> and if you haven't watched it in a while, you might not know that grandpa died a year ago
[23:59:48] <MarcelineVQ> roycroft: I think I'm thinking of Dave Turin
[23:59:55] <roycroft> oh, dozer dave
[23:59:56] <MarcelineVQ> schnovel?