#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-11-04
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[00:00:03] <Tom_L> but i have a mig now
[00:00:17] <Tom_L> did a little gas welding
[00:00:29] <evilroot> If you can handle a high current stick welder you can pretty much handle anything else
[00:00:39] <evilroot> Easy in comparison
[00:01:16] <evilroot> Kind of like soldering really
[00:02:49] <evilroot> When you learn the old school way and spend hundreds of hours getting it perfect using modern stuff makes you wonder why you bothered, it makes it so easy!
[00:03:33] <evilroot> And then you see people failing horribly using the modern stuff and realize its because they never developed the underlying skill
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[02:27:34] <gloops> right, 10 months since i started building this router, success was followed by distraction after distraction, i need to get back on this, focused, keen, alert, industrious
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[04:36:03] <Deejay> moin
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[04:41:48] <gloops> sunday checklist, grind planer blades, grind cutter shaft down, deal with riser problem on bandsaw
[04:41:54] <gloops> then after dinner...
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[04:59:56] <jthornton> morning
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[05:24:03] <jthornton> damn internet is slow as frozen molasses lol
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[06:34:55] <gloops> so after taking numerous angles on the planer blade sharpening, i finally settled on a slit in a piece of wood to hold it lol
[06:35:12] <gloops> after i put my cross vice back together...
[06:35:43] <jthornton> the William Ng method?
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[06:36:32] <jthornton> I've managed to find a 15" planer finally and will collect it tomorrow... it's only 4 hours drive each way
[06:38:21] <gloops> yeah something along the lines of the vid you posted jthornton
[06:38:39] <gloops> ill see if i can get something on phone when i try it in a bit
[06:38:52] <gloops> 15inch planer is substantial
[06:39:04] <jthornton> yea a lucky find for sure
[06:39:21] <jthornton> got a hold him as soon as I saw it
[06:39:55] <gloops> an old cast one went locally for about £60 last week, but really heavy and not very wide cut - a lot of machine to plane spars
[06:40:19] <gloops> probably brilliant for that though
[06:40:46] <jthornton> I missed one a few months back by one day lol
[06:41:00] <gloops> price of boards starts multiplying as they get above 8-10 inch
[06:41:33] <jthornton> my neighbor can cut up to 22" wide on his bandsaw mill IIRC
[06:42:20] <gloops> i dont know what the market for boards is there but would cost a lot of money here for 22 inch boards
[06:43:33] <jthornton> I'm in the middle of huge hardwood forest with lots of processing plants for hardwood flooring, lucky for me my neighbor has large track of timber about 40 miles from here
[06:45:04] <gloops> https://www.travisperkins.co.uk
[06:45:30] <gloops> 2x1 stick 11 of those together, at £6 a meter, £66 a metre for 22x1 lol
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[06:46:03] <gloops> but as 1 board - double that easily
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[06:47:06] <jthornton> that is pricy for sure
[06:48:28] <jthornton> when I finish the louver vents I need to make a couple of tilt out windows
[06:49:36] <gloops> last place i went for oak i went into the reception, just said i want some oak boards about 12 inch wide - bloke called a woman a woman to make me a coffee and tried sitting me down in a leather chair lol, i said whoa, i just want to buy a few pieces of wood
[06:50:06] <jthornton> trying to butter you up lol
[06:50:18] <gloops> preparing for the shock
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[07:00:09] <gloops> https://www.facebook.com
[07:00:13] <gloops> thats a big one
[07:00:56] <MarcelineVQ> dang son, comes with a steady
[07:01:34] <jthornton> dang pouring down rain the chickens are on their own this morning
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[07:10:02] <Tom_L> jthornton did your gate timer switch over like it was supposed to?
[07:10:41] <jthornton> yea, it just opened about 10 minutes ago
[07:11:10] <Tom_L> looks like you _are_ gettin a little wet
[07:11:42] <Tom_L> we got a few sprinkles last evening
[07:12:11] <jthornton> I stepped out into the Florida room and it was pouring down rain...
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[07:12:50] <jthornton> did you see the louver vent?
[07:13:00] <Tom_L> yeah looks good
[07:13:20] <jthornton> thanks
[07:13:28] <jthornton> should finish the second one today
[07:13:36] <Tom_L> you were still working on it when i saw it
[07:13:59] <jthornton> first one is painted just needs screen and hardware cloth attached
[07:16:05] <Tom_L> did you set up a wood shop in your new building?
[07:18:49] <jthornton> yea sorta squeezed some machines in there
[07:26:41] <jthornton> I had a crappy tablesaw for years and finally got a nice one a while back then you see you need this then that and it never stops lol
[07:31:27] <Tom_L> well hey, if you got space to fill you gotta fill it
[07:32:36] <jthornton> filling it with wood chips at the moment lol
[07:32:52] <Tom_L> fire starter
[07:34:05] <Tom_L> your cyclone work pretty good?
[07:34:35] <jthornton> yea it catches most of the sawdust from the tablesaw
[07:37:15] <jthornton> I got the one with the fiberboard drum below that collects the dust
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[08:06:11] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com
[08:12:03] <jthornton> just shows a !
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[08:18:04] <skunkworks> really?
[08:20:17] <gregcnc> yes
[08:23:29] <skunkworks> oh
[08:23:30] <skunkworks> oops
[08:25:19] <skunkworks> there - should work now
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[08:29:03] <jthornton> I wish my BP only had a thou of backlash on Z lol
[08:31:13] <gregcnc> looks good
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[09:10:00] <jthornton> crap my door timer logic is too convoluted... starting again
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[09:14:58] <gloops> well it worked...https://ibb.co/ipgehf
[09:17:18] <jthornton> sharpening your planer blades?
[09:18:43] <gloops> yeah lol, they are if nothing else, pretty damn flat
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[09:20:13] <jthornton> got a photo of the jig?
[09:21:32] <gloops> i got a video if it uploads, i decided to automate it a bit lol - the 'jig' was just a slit in a piece of wood with a couple of screws in it lol, ill have to make a proper one now i know its a good method
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[09:23:54] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com
[09:24:12] <gloops> obviously americans arent accustomed to how we do things in yorkshire LOL
[09:26:37] <MarcelineVQ> there's something about that 2nd screw
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[09:27:37] <gloops> yeah i couldnt see the cordless driver
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[09:33:45] <MarcelineVQ> heard one should be careful grinding in that direction tho, if a piece pulls under the grinder it can jam up
[09:34:36] <gloops> yes, this is only a very cheap chinese bench grinder though, it stops long before any fear of the wheel shattering
[09:35:52] <SpeedEvil> The jamming happens only on stored energy in the rotation.
[09:36:10] <SpeedEvil> The motor is irrelevant and the wheel can shatter dangerously even if it's off, but still nearly at speed
[09:36:38] <gloops> dont panic, it didnt shatter
[09:38:22] <gloops> at that feed rate, you arent going to get a sudden jam
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[10:00:04] <_unreal_> sucks, the company that was going to build my cnc machine has now given up and want me to give them a build design....
[10:00:33] <_unreal_> well rebooting into windows
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[10:03:38] <jthornton> hmm I think I have the logic sorted out... time to start some fires
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[10:43:21] <jthornton> I think this will work https://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:46:25] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
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[11:26:36] <gloops> well thats the dovetail cutter clocked in and ready for tommorrow, shocking how much trend dovetail cutters are out, pretty certain that is chinese crap with a better paint job
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[11:39:10] <diverdude> Anybody has an idea why this simple piece of stepper motor code does not make the stepper motor run? http://paste.ubuntu.com (i have verified that all wiring is ok)
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[12:17:19] <fragalot> diverdude: remove the .move, and also set .maxSpeed
[12:18:14] <diverdude> fragalot: but if i remove the move, then how will accelstepper know where to go?
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[12:19:56] <fragalot> diverdude: it doesn't have to, you're asking it to run a constant speed;
[12:20:01] <fragalot> so it will just continue forever
[12:20:25] <fragalot> (assuming that that is what you want to do)
[12:20:54] <diverdude> fragalot: it is - i wanted to have it just run at constant speed
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[12:22:15] <diverdude> fragalot: brb
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[12:44:50] <diverdude> fragalot: back
[12:47:31] <diverdude> fragalot: it moving extremely slowly...but its moving....speed does not seem to change even though i set different values
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[13:05:58] <diverdude> fragalot: are you here?
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[13:27:05] <fragalot> diverdude: show me what you have
[13:27:20] <fragalot> (sorry i'm only on the pc occasionally)
[13:28:22] <diverdude> fragalot: i have this; https://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:29:02] <fragalot> why did you comment out .runSpeed ?
[13:29:54] <diverdude> fragalot: ah, sorry...i didnt actually...i just commented it out while i was waiting for you :)
[13:30:34] <diverdude> fragalot: this is what i have: https://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:31:01] <fragalot> did you also try to set maxSpeed ?
[13:31:43] <fragalot> also, there is a maximum speed you will probably be able to do, i'm not sure if the arduino can really do 10kHz stepping like you're requesting
[13:32:26] <fragalot> http://www.airspayce.com <===
[13:32:27] <diverdude> fragalot: the weird thing is that if i use run instead of runSpeed it works fine
[13:32:34] <fragalot> note the default is 1.0
[13:32:56] <diverdude> fragalot: i tried many different values, including 1.0
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[13:33:32] <diverdude> fragalot: speed is the same (extreeeemely slow) whether i set 1, 10 or 10000
[13:33:33] <fragalot> diverdude: for setMaxSpeed or setSpeed
[13:33:36] <jthornton> I think I smoked my RPi the core temperature is ~94C
[13:33:58] <diverdude> fragalot: both
[13:34:54] <fragalot> diverdude: I mean.. the example code for accelstepper literally says stepper.setMaxSpeed(50); stepper.setSpeed(50)
[13:35:02] <diverdude> fragalot: if i only call setmaxspeed and not setspeed, it does not move at all
[13:35:17] <fragalot> perhaps you must call setMaxSpeed first, before calling setSpeed
[13:35:42] <fragalot> and the manual states that > 1000 is "unreliable"
[13:35:53] <diverdude> huh - that did something new
[13:36:16] <fragalot> and it also mentions that the speed set by setSpeed is limited to the current value of setMaxSpeed -- so, setMaxSpeed must be set BEFORE setSpeed
[13:38:15] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah...it seems like it....it runs now when i set maxspeed before setspeed....thats really odd
[13:38:58] <diverdude> fragalot: so unstable above 1000....weird....it runs much faster if i set it to 5000 than 1000...i wonder how it will be unstable
[13:39:45] <holzjunkie1> hy @ all
[13:40:24] <fragalot> diverdude: no idea. I'm just reading out what the manual says.
[13:40:29] <holzjunkie1> is the 7i96 for standalone use or did i need an 7i80 also?
[13:41:09] <diverdude> fragalot: right....its really a strange api...just the fact that the motor is moving in one direction when i never instructed it to move seems pretty off to me
[13:41:10] <fragalot> holzjunkie1: no idea, sorry :)
[13:41:28] <fragalot> diverdude: *shrug* :)
[13:41:44] <diverdude> fragalot: what do you use to control stepper motors?
[13:41:46] <fragalot> you are asking it to run at a fixed speed though
[13:41:52] <fragalot> diverdude: linuxcnc :D
[13:42:04] <diverdude> fragalot: of course hehe :)
[13:42:09] <holzjunkie1> jthornton: is the 7i96 for standalone use or did i need an 7i80 also?
[13:42:14] <fragalot> otherwise i'd probably also use accelStepper if I had to use an arduino
[13:42:26] <fragalot> but I do know that that library could do with some work for certain things
[13:42:28] <diverdude> fragalot: you also use linuxcnc if motor is attached to an arduino?
[13:42:46] <fragalot> no, but I rarely use arduinos anymore
[13:42:52] <diverdude> right ok
[13:43:48] <diverdude> fragalot: i wonder how to move at fixed speed in opposite direction then
[13:44:23] <diverdude> ok...negative speed did it...lol
[13:44:47] <fragalot> setMaxSpeed must be a positive value, setSpeed can be both positive & negative
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[13:46:47] <diverdude> fragalot: hmm ok, but i set maxspeed to a negative speed and it ran anyway
[13:46:54] <{HD}> gloops: doesn’t down cut clog cut?
[13:48:24] <fragalot> diverdude: perhaps they automatically make it a positive value.. manual mentions you should only use > 0
[13:48:35] <fragalot> who knows how correct their documentation is :)
[13:48:56] <gloops> {HD} no it doesnt clog, i dont know what wood work you are doing but youll probably find yourself using spiral cutters most of all
[13:49:38] <gloops> i havent found any noticeable better finish with compression bits, and i prefer single flute anyway
[13:50:04] <diverdude> fragalot: you are right
[13:50:05] <{HD}> gloops: I too like single flutes but mine are upcuts not downcuts.
[13:50:33] <{HD}> I don’t use compression bits
[13:51:13] <gloops> upcut is better for some materials, applications, some prefer them anyway
[13:51:58] <{HD}> What kind of dust collector are you running?
[13:52:18] <gloops> just a home made one running from a vac
[13:52:37] <{HD}> Neat.
[13:52:51] <pcw_home> holzjunkie1: 7I96 is standalone
[13:54:09] <holzjunkie1> pcw_home: thank you very much
[13:56:45] <gloops> the question that has baffled the greatest scientific minds for centuries https://www.pinterest.co.uk
[13:56:53] <gloops> how to make new pine look old
[13:57:21] <fragalot> that's easy
[13:57:34] <fragalot> put it in storage for 50 years
[13:57:43] <fragalot> or in my shed for 2 minutes
[13:58:08] <fragalot> grinding things next to it really speeds up the aging process.. I think it's the iron particles
[13:58:12] <MarcelineVQ> acid,it's always acid :D
[13:58:31] <fragalot> sprinkle on some wood worm
[13:58:33] <MarcelineVQ> Happy day, my welder spewing oil turned out to be an easy fix, the dip-stick cap was loose :>
[13:58:48] <fragalot> MarcelineVQ: happy days
[13:59:02] <MarcelineVQ> But what a mess, whatever pumps the oil reallllly pumps it
[13:59:42] <fragalot> lol
[13:59:58] <fragalot> isn't it the crank shaft doing the business in that part of the engine
[14:01:00] <MarcelineVQ> pretty likely, the dip-tube is also the fill tube so it probabyl goes right to the crank
[14:01:37] <MarcelineVQ> I don't know much about that stuff, which is why it's pleasent that a fix didn't involve knowing
[14:01:58] <diverdude> fragalot: should this not be able to home one axis? http://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:04:11] <fragalot> what's the point of !switched in this context
[14:04:35] <fragalot> because if it's homed, the switched bool does nothing
[14:05:04] <fragalot> oh hang on i'm reading it wrong.. lemme paste that into an IDE :P
[14:05:06] <diverdude> fragalot: well...i want it to move in one direction until it reaches the limit switch. when reached i want it to move in the opposite direction until its again free from the limit switch
[14:05:44] <diverdude> fragalot: but you are right...there is something wrong because when i try to run the code nothing happens
[14:06:05] <fragalot> you must call stepper.runSpeed(); continuously when you want it to move
[14:06:21] <fragalot> as you've written it now, it can never get called
[14:06:29] <diverdude> fragalot: really...hmm ok
[14:06:43] <diverdude> fragalot: that was not my intention :)
[14:06:46] <fragalot> :)
[14:07:19] <diverdude> how would you write this?
[14:09:41] <gloops> wire wool dissolved in vinegar is an old trick
[14:09:42] <fragalot> i'd use a simple state machine probably to make the sequence easier
[14:18:00] <fragalot> diverdude: untested: https://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:21:08] <diverdude> fragalot: hmmm nothing happens when i have uploaded it
[14:21:39] <fragalot> sprinkle around some if statements, see what it does or does not do
[14:21:42] <fragalot> printf*
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[14:22:46] <diverdude> fragalot: You mean Serial.println ?
[14:23:05] <fragalot> yes
[14:23:24] <fragalot> put one under each of the case STATE_... lines
[14:25:38] <diverdude> ah it works i think :)
[14:26:25] <fragalot> note that this does not take into account any switch bouncing, so you'll have to figure that out from examples somewhere :)
[14:31:14] <diverdude> fragalot: what is switch bouncing?
[14:31:41] <fragalot> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com
[14:32:34] <fragalot> that's probably the best article for a beginner to read
[14:45:01] <diverdude> fragalot: hmm ok...so some sort of specialized code in the arduino should make the homing robust towards switch bouncing?
[14:46:03] <fragalot> yup
[14:51:50] <diverdude> fragalot: ok they show a simple arduino code to handle it where they use a debounce counter that which is initialized at 10. I think they read it over a period of minimum 10ms and if its HI over the duration its considered switched
[15:20:03] <fragalot> that's indeed one way to do it. downside is that it takes 10ms
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[15:21:07] <XXCoder> i once played with button debouncing, and if I recall right 1/10 seconds or longer you might feel that its lagging a little
[15:21:14] <XXCoder> less is better
[15:29:19] <SpeedEvil> depends also if you can undo a result.
[15:30:02] <SpeedEvil> If you're doing a 'press and hold' type thing, you can stop it at the actual stop, and then restart if it turns out you were wrong.
[15:30:13] <SpeedEvil> (poor example)
[15:33:11] <JT-Shop> hey XXCoder
[15:33:52] <XXCoder> hey whats up
[15:36:17] <JT-Shop> making the second louver vent
[15:36:53] <JT-Shop> my RPi is overheating for some reason and the core temperature is ~95C
[15:37:05] <JT-Shop> dunno what's up with that...
[15:37:10] <XXCoder> hope its not one of those bitcoin mining viruses lol
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[15:57:45] <JT-Shop> I'll pull everything off of it and power it up and see if it still gets hot
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[16:36:58] <jthornton> I pulled everything off including the sd card and the cpu still gets way hot
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[16:54:42] <jthornton> the RPi in the coop is running at 40C and the one on my desk is now up to 92C too hot to touch lol
[16:55:20] <Tom_L> why so hot?
[16:55:57] <jthornton> beats me, the door program started acting wonky and I noticed it was super hot
[16:56:16] <Tom_L> no virus scan programs for those is there?
[16:56:34] <Tom_L> or cpu useage monitor..
[16:56:52] <jthornton> I took the sd card out and it still got hot dunno
[16:57:23] <jthornton> I think there is a cpu monitor...
[16:58:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:00:25] <Tom_L> must take alot of cpu to open a coop door
[17:00:53] <jthornton> chicken power unleashed yea
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[17:05:08] <jthornton> top says the cpu is taking a nap
[17:12:56] <Tom_L> must be snoring loud then
[17:19:01] <Tom_L> does it have a heatsink on it?
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[17:20:31] <Tom_L> https://www.raspberrypi.org
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[17:31:27] <JT-Shop> aye, but that's not the problem for sure... it's 50C hotter than normal
[17:44:53] <Tom_L> dunno, i don't have one
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[18:07:21] <_unreal_> whats 50c hotter?
[18:07:24] <_unreal_> I only just came in the room
[18:07:57] <skunkworks> _unreal_: why reboot?
[18:08:11] <_unreal_> no just logged on, been doing @#$ around the house
[18:08:54] <_unreal_> and working on making dinner... jack dan.. beef dry rubbed ribs out on the coal grill
[18:08:56] <jthornton> my RPi 3 B is 50C hotter than the one in the coop and it started acting flaky
[18:09:18] <_unreal_> jthornton, A: does it have a heat sink
[18:09:20] <skunkworks> 09:01 AM _unreal_: sucks, the company that was going to build my cnc machine has now given up and want me to give them a build design....
[18:09:23] <skunkworks> 09:02 AM _unreal_: well rebooting into windows
[18:09:44] <jthornton> it's been running on my desk for a couple of months and today went bonkers
[18:09:58] <_unreal_> B: does it have any kind of active cooling,, C: what is the cpu load?
[18:10:12] <_unreal_> what is the CPU load?
[18:10:26] <_unreal_> if the CPU load is OK then I bet you your having power issues voltage issues
[18:10:42] <_unreal_> check your CPU voltage
[18:10:49] <jthornton> it's been running for months with no problems until today when it went flaky and stopped running correctly
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[18:11:11] <jthornton> it gets super hot even without a OS running
[18:11:22] <_unreal_> WHAT is the cpu voltage?
[18:11:36] <_unreal_> the cpu only gets hot with high load or over volting or high amp draw
[18:11:43] <jthornton> how do yu tell that?
[18:11:49] <_unreal_> google the commands
[18:12:00] <_unreal_> I dont have an RPI I have an asus tinkerboard
[18:12:05] <_unreal_> better in every way
[18:12:58] <_unreal_> you may even have to install something a cpu monitor etc...
[18:13:14] <_unreal_> but you can view the current CPU temp, loads and power/voltage usage
[18:14:21] <jthornton> core temperature gets up to 94C
[18:15:04] <jthornton> cgencmd measure_volts core
[18:15:04] <jthornton> volt=1.2000V
[18:15:56] <jthornton> normal core temperature is ~40C
[18:27:46] <jthornton> ok I've measured everything that google said to do and all are perfectly normal _except_ the core temperature which is 213.234% higher than normal... now what?
[18:29:16] <Tom_L> maybe it's failing
[18:29:36] <jthornton> I think it had a coronary lol
[18:32:02] <jthornton> I can't see how a tinker toy is better in every way when there are no accessories made for it and requires use of media player in TinkerOS
[18:32:21] <Tom_L> probably isn't
[18:32:36] <jthornton> I would not put it in a plastic case if you do any heavy processing (and if you don't you might as well stick to the Rpi3)
[18:32:43] <jthornton> lol love that comment
[18:33:08] <Tom_L> he plans to use his for lcnc i believe
[18:33:45] <jthornton> wow 32% gave the tinker toy a 3 star or under rating... that ain't good
[18:34:08] <Tom_L> not sure where he got his info
[18:34:16] <Tom_L> not me that's for sure
[18:34:59] <Tom_L> jthornton, you're using the arm for the time libs basically right?
[18:35:19] <Tom_L> so you can run linux
[18:35:22] <jthornton> no, I'm using a python library called astral
[18:35:28] <Tom_L> so you can run linux
[18:35:37] <jthornton> arm as in RPi?
[18:35:42] <Tom_L> yeah
[18:35:45] <jthornton> yes so I can run linux
[18:35:53] <jthornton> and program in python
[18:36:01] <Tom_L> otherwise you may as well use an arduino
[18:36:16] <pcw_home> is it possible some of the GPIO got damaged accidentally? Do all GPIO pins still work?
[18:36:17] <jthornton> they proved to be too flaky for me
[18:37:25] <jthornton> I didn't test them much I have a toggle switch connected to a couple of inputs for manual override and they didn't seem to work
[18:37:42] <jthornton> not sure how to test all the GPIO pins?
[18:37:57] <pcw_home> maybe they got fried somehow
[18:38:48] <pcw_home> there must be some test software around for that
[18:38:50] <jthornton> could be when it went bonkers the door up switch failed to stop the motor
[18:38:54] <jthornton> looking
[18:39:14] <pcw_home> My RPI has been up running LinuxCNC/Axis since July
[18:39:49] <jthornton> my RPi in the coop has been up and running since... hmmm last fall
[18:40:22] <jthornton> https://elinux.org
[18:41:29] <pcw_home> I needed a heatsink since LinuxCNC/Axis/realtime takes a fair amount of CPU
[18:42:05] <jthornton> I have heat sinks on the CPU and some other chip
[18:46:25] <jthornton> Failed user gpios: 23 24 25 26 27
[18:48:14] <jthornton> I used 22, 23, 24, 26 and 27 as inputs... I wonder if somehow one got shorted???
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[18:58:13] <jthornton> chow time...
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[19:09:51] <Tom_L> they're 3.3v inputs right?
[19:31:51] <{HD}> They are 3v3
[19:37:58] <skunkworks> Tom_L: did you see more of my ramblings?.. https://www.youtube.com
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[19:39:46] <Tom_L> saw but no sound
[19:44:03] <skunkworks> probaby the best
[19:45:34] <Tom_L> re'watching
[19:47:30] <Tom_L> what oiler is that?
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[19:52:23] <skunkworks> ebay..
[19:53:02] <Tom_L> i likely wouldn't add one to mine anyway
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[20:12:22] <skunkworks> Tom_L: yours are linear rails - right?
[20:18:06] <hazzy> logs
[20:19:44] <XXCoder> jthornton: found a cause of overheating?
[20:19:58] <XXCoder> short would go all way to blowout on traces i would think?
[20:21:09] <hazzy> Wolf__: This is right up your alley: https://www.solopopgo.com
[20:21:38] <hazzy> Price seems pretty reasonable, LOL
[20:21:38] <hazzy> obviously a scam, but neat pictures all the same :)
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[20:22:37] <XXCoder> name is WAY flipping too generic
[20:22:40] <XXCoder> google fail
[20:23:25] <XXCoder> wow it doent even show up in search even with store name included
[20:23:47] <XXCoder> "Default title = 149 usd"
[20:23:48] <XXCoder> lol
[20:24:43] <hazzy> I bet that site has only been up for a few hours, at most, no time for google to index it
[20:24:58] <XXCoder> check domain whois?
[20:25:08] <hazzy> good idea!
[20:25:29] <XXCoder> registered june 11 2018
[20:25:34] <XXCoder> expires 20/209
[20:25:37] <XXCoder> 20/20
[20:25:42] <XXCoder> dammit 2020
[20:26:00] <XXCoder> not named owner
[20:28:26] <Tom_L> skunkworks yes
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[20:30:09] <gregcnc> real site http://www.slope-mower.com
[20:30:49] <XXCoder> much, much more googleable
[20:31:01] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com
[20:31:16] <XXCoder> a review https://www.youtube.com
[20:33:05] <XXCoder> bit too big for home use lol too bad
[20:33:11] <XXCoder> definitely biggert than I expected
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[20:41:33] <hazzy> just watched that review and I'm about to die, LOL. I've never heard a string trimmer called a whipper-snipper, but it's the perfect name!
[20:41:52] <gregcnc> yeah whipper snipper
[20:45:52] <XXCoder> i wonder if there is home version
[20:50:24] <hazzy> they make a mini which has a 22" cut width, which is the same as a typical residential mower (here in the states at leasts)
[20:55:22] <XXCoder> interesting
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[21:17:26] <gregcnc> Anyone using LED lights like this? http://a.co
[21:18:39] <XXCoder> 10-30v wow plenty of v room
[21:18:53] <XXCoder> doesnt say anything about lumens tho
[21:18:54] <gregcnc> I want to replace a fluorescent fixture in my lathe. but the reviews on this and similar chinaco are pretty crap
[21:19:12] <gregcnc> 1200lm
[21:19:47] <XXCoder> 12 months for 2 to die
[21:20:10] <gregcnc> seems like a lot also leak and get moisture inside
[21:20:28] <XXCoder> sounds like rebuild before use product.
[21:21:15] <gregcnc> also junk drivers means they will also be dead soon
[21:21:45] <SpeedEvil> https://www.aliexpress.com are also a thing
[21:21:49] <gregcnc> maybe build an enclosure for something lie https://www.ebay.com
[21:21:58] <gregcnc> exaclty
[21:22:21] <gregcnc> 150W in the lathe and I'll go blind
[21:22:23] <SpeedEvil> You will of course need heatsinking.
[21:23:05] <SpeedEvil> 100w only produces about the same light as a 20cm square of sunlight
[21:23:47] <gregcnc> The 20yo CFL was rated 800lm new and is now cracked and has coolant oil in the lens
[21:25:05] <gregcnc> I guess I should look around to see if 1000lm for the one I linked is really 1000. and find some heat sink req's
[21:26:44] <gregcnc> those 150W aren't even big
[21:55:29] <Rab> Anybody have a preference for cool vs warm white for machine tool lighting?
[21:55:58] <XXCoder> pure white if can get
[21:56:06] <XXCoder> cool or warm is more common unfortunately
[21:56:23] <XXCoder> if no choice, cooler is btter I would think
[21:56:41] <Rab> I really prefer incandescent (and mimics), not sure why...stuff just feels more visible in warmer light.
[21:58:32] <Rab> But that may be an association I have from using older equipment before compact cool/full spectrum light sources were more commonly available.
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[22:14:11] <MarcelineVQ> best color balance I've found so far is 4000k which the brand I buy calls Daylight White (which isn't a standard term). It's impossible to tell what something will be without trying it though which sucks, some brands list Daylight at 6500k and White as 3000k, every website/brand seem to have completely different explanations of what Daylight, White, Cool, etc actually range as
[22:14:39] <XXCoder> yeah thats a huge annoyance
[22:15:28] <MarcelineVQ> Wouldn't recommend less than 100w equivalent in any bulb for an E26 socket
[22:16:31] <MarcelineVQ> google says that 1600 lumens it looks like, ~19 actual watts
[22:19:41] <XXCoder> this entire house is led lit
[22:22:54] <MarcelineVQ> nice. when our incandescent ballasts go bad I swap to LED since you can just cut out the ballast and use the same fixture
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[23:37:02] <XXCoder> myfordboy casting. been a while
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[23:50:02] <XXCoder> man his furnce looks so worn
[23:50:13] <XXCoder> I remember watching his series building that thing
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