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[01:11:50] <laminae_> Anyone have a suggestion for troubleshooting? unable to use my probe after i run a job.
[01:12:18] <laminae_> Home all, touch off z, g54 work piece everything is great
[01:12:56] <laminae_> then i get a tool change or try and load another job and i need to use my probe and i get a violating joint 2 error
[01:13:18] <XXCoder> what is joint 2?
[01:13:28] <laminae_> x
[01:13:36] <laminae_> Which makes absolutely no sense to me
[01:13:41] <XXCoder> was it at max on any extents?
[01:13:43] <laminae_> over 200mm from limit
[01:13:50] <XXCoder> weird
[01:14:14] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres some configation issue
[01:14:15] <laminae_> Even if i override my work offset and rezero home, still throws an error
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[01:14:25] <XXCoder> or maybe its using g54 to check if its going to max
[01:14:31] <XXCoder> when it should be machine coord
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[01:14:47] <laminae_> Still throws it when i reset g54
[01:14:57] <laminae_> But for some reason not after first homing
[01:15:03] <laminae_> Even if i switch to absolute
[01:15:07] <XXCoder> so it still happens when machine and g54 is same
[01:15:24] <laminae_> Correct
[01:15:35] <XXCoder> now this is area I dont really know - but does probing use a script?
[01:15:36] <laminae_> Or even if i moze z to max height
[01:15:52] <laminae_> Yep, i cloned a pretty popular one from the forums
[01:16:05] <laminae_> ENBough people are using it successfully that i think i'm more likely the problem
[01:16:15] <XXCoder> okay maybe script needs to reset variables or something?
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[01:16:56] <laminae_> mmkay, gonna go tinker with that, brb
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[01:50:04] <laminae_> To make sure i understand the dro menu correctly, if i click on the dro tab and view the column above g54, that is my position relative to absolute zero, correct?
[01:50:24] <XXCoder> a second loading
[01:50:41] <XXCoder> the basic XYZ one
[01:50:49] <XXCoder> no coord one
[01:51:47] <laminae_> Well, here's my confusion, if i select "home all" i wait for the machine to zero out and then move to my work piece and select "touch off" it isn't my g54 number on the dro that updates
[01:51:59] <laminae_> I believe that might be the source of my issue
[01:52:09] <XXCoder> lemme play around a second
[01:52:20] <XXCoder> just powered on my machine
[01:52:25] <XXCoder> so you hit home all
[01:52:36] <XXCoder> on mine xyz on top and TLO is all zero
[01:52:41] <laminae_> Yep, then move to work piece origin
[01:52:43] <XXCoder> g54 is not
[01:54:28] <XXCoder> uh what is shared home?
[01:54:38] <XXCoder> it says I cant home while shared home switch is on
[01:54:53] <laminae_> If you combine a limit switch with home
[01:54:55] <laminae_> In config
[01:55:07] <laminae_> It's saying a limit switch is triggered
[01:55:15] <XXCoder> it says so even when I unhome all axis
[01:55:29] <laminae_> You using active low switches?
[01:55:37] <laminae_> Might have come unplugged or something like thatr
[01:55:38] <XXCoder> its a simulation
[01:55:44] <XXCoder> nothing to unplug
[01:56:16] <XXCoder> ill just restart
[01:56:19] <laminae_> Weird
[01:56:35] <XXCoder> okay
[01:56:48] <XXCoder> so XYZ is not zero, g54 is not zero on x and y
[01:56:50] <laminae_> I had a really weird instance where my x and y were all jacked up after a tool change and none of those values changed either
[01:56:52] <XXCoder> TLO all zeros
[01:56:58] <XXCoder> homing
[01:57:11] <laminae_> wait, is tl0 g92?
[01:57:31] <XXCoder> TLO is tool length orgin I think dunno
[01:57:39] <XXCoder> g92 is also displayed here
[01:57:48] <XXCoder> lemme set tool length to h1
[01:58:17] <XXCoder> umm whats gcode for that.. h1 is enough right?
[01:58:34] <laminae_> Sorry, that was a delay my phone hates me
[01:58:38] <XXCoder> TLO changed yeah
[01:58:42] <XXCoder> g43h1
[01:59:20] <laminae_> I thought so, i sent g92.1 and it went from -0.0 tp 0.0 whatever that means
[01:59:23] <XXCoder> it changes with tool h changes so it is very clearly tool point
[02:00:01] <laminae_> Hmm, could you touch off and see if g54 updates now?
[02:00:07] <XXCoder> brb
[02:00:14] <laminae_> righto
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[02:03:04] <XXCoder> sorry had to have a draining experence. ;)
[02:03:14] <XXCoder> okay lemme zoom out to see extents
[02:03:15] <laminae_> Ah, one of those
[02:03:32] <XXCoder> dang Z is shallow i guess its a sim of router
[02:04:45] <XXCoder> g54 chanhed
[02:04:52] <laminae_> x.x
[02:05:08] <laminae_> Has to be my config then
[02:05:11] <XXCoder> XYZ now "at home"
[02:05:28] <XXCoder> g54 is at machine coord of -7, -22, -2 approx
[02:05:54] <laminae_> Still have that g92 (tl0) active?
[02:05:59] <XXCoder> DTG all zeros, XYZ g92 all zeros, TLO zeros except for Z which is 1.2 (t3 length)
[02:06:17] <XXCoder> umm how do I cancel tool length? g54?
[02:06:22] <XXCoder> er g43
[02:06:46] <XXCoder> g54 h0 works though im pretty sure its not correct
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[02:07:40] <XXCoder> running machine. g54 stays same
[02:07:48] <XXCoder> XYZ is changing as it runs
[02:07:57] <XXCoder> DTG is clearly distance to go
[02:10:20] <XXCoder> g28x0y0z0 sets properly
[02:10:27] <laminae_> Looking through my hal file
[02:10:35] <laminae_> WOndering if something is wonky
[02:11:10] <XXCoder> dunno.. what happens anyway when you first start and home
[02:13:28] <XXCoder> i really need to work on vismach
[02:13:40] <XXCoder> so I have actual fake machine to watch run lol
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[02:30:38] <laminae_> so, when i zero out, my g54 values on the dro change
[02:30:52] <laminae_> when i hit home, i zero out the top column
[02:30:56] <laminae_> Which matches you
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[02:31:31] <laminae_> I'm reading through the wiki and unless i am missing something significant, things are right as rain
[02:31:50] <laminae_> So why i can't probe after my first job is a mystery still
[02:32:00] <laminae_> brbm, gonna try one more idea
[02:32:10] <XXCoder> so first time you probe it sets g54?
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[02:33:35] <XXCoder> hey gloops SAW YOUR VIDEO
[02:33:45] <XXCoder> not sure what its about, you ground a edge
[02:33:46] <XXCoder> ?
[02:34:02] <gloops> lol, oh yeah, planer blades
[02:34:19] <XXCoder> ahh removing nicks and such, resharp
[02:34:29] <gloops> obviously a makeshift jig heh
[02:34:33] <XXCoder> I guess its set at cutting angle
[02:34:47] <gloops> id ground it previously and managed to get a bow in it
[02:35:30] <gloops> yeah a slit at an angle in a piece of wood - the dodgy looking screws were only to stop it lifting it was really firm in the slit anyway
[02:35:31] <XXCoder> doh
[02:36:12] <gloops> it worked anyway, the blades are flat now
[02:37:58] <gloops> im going to try grinding a cutter shaft to a lower diameter later (not with that grinder lol)
[02:38:17] <XXCoder> so you got a grinder nice. can it do precision?
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[02:38:46] <gloops> the grinder in the video isnt what id call precision lol, it has some uses though
[02:39:01] <gloops> ill use a small toolpost grinder for the cutter shaft
[02:39:41] <XXCoder> cool :)
[02:39:48] <gloops> already got the cutter clocked in in the lathe - providing i can take the material off without moving it, it should work
[02:39:55] <gloops> only gripping about 15mm
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[02:46:16] <XXCoder> heh I dont know why I lik that channel https://www.youtube.com
[02:46:28] <XXCoder> I dont do restorations, nor did I really have any toy cars when young
[02:49:22] <gloops> still find those when digging in the garden - previous kids would have been playing in the garden with thhem
[02:49:37] <XXCoder> maybe you should sub to that channel, restore em all lol
[02:49:46] <XXCoder> he also does some cool customizations
[02:51:02] <gloops> ive looked at them with a mind to restoring but never bothered, think some of them are worth quite a bit in good condition
[02:51:22] <gloops> probably as new still in original box
[02:53:16] <XXCoder> that one result is pretty good
[02:53:50] <XXCoder> one of customize https://www.youtube.com
[02:54:02] <XXCoder> from fairly ugly to pretty cool
[02:56:12] <gloops> there are hobbies out there id never dreamt of lol
[02:57:31] <XXCoder> There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Hamlet
[02:58:03] <gloops> impressive knowledge of Hamlet
[02:58:30] <XXCoder> I know quote existed but couldnt recall exact quote, so googled
[02:58:51] <gloops> that is from the grave scene
[02:59:26] <XXCoder> its been so long since I last read em. decades really
[02:59:28] <gloops> i think...
[03:00:49] <XXCoder> did you see how he weatherized the car?
[03:00:51] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:02:24] <gloops> i had one eye on it, similar techniques they use for a few other crafts
[03:10:31] <laminae_> Seems lik ei got it and unsurprisingly, i am the dum dum
[03:10:49] <laminae_> I set the config on my z axis incorrectly, split the difference of the 16"travel
[03:10:58] <laminae_> 8 positive and 8 negative
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[03:11:20] <laminae_> Once i zeroed it hit the negetive limit extent on the g54
[03:11:49] <laminae_> Doesn't explain some of my issue bnut should at least make it easier to identify what else i am doing incorrectly
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[03:19:40] <XXCoder> ineed
[03:19:47] <XXCoder> turns complex issue into simpler issue
[03:21:58] <gloops> 16 inch z?
[03:22:15] <gloops> this is a mill right? not a router
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[03:42:44] <laminae_> Heh, still a router, just wonky
[03:42:55] <laminae_> fell into some parker inear actuators
[03:43:03] <laminae_> linear*
[03:49:58] <gloops> that is a very high lift for a gantry you know
[03:51:38] <gloops> i was going for 300mm 1ft with mine but settled on 8 inch, some severe leverage in play for simple beams and linear bearings there
[03:54:31] <gloops> Ichs always said - over 6 inch z, forget ally
[03:56:11] <laminae_> I chew through 3/4in pretty easily
[03:56:32] <laminae_> I will likely end up swapping it in the end but for the moment it's doing pretty well
[03:57:17] <laminae_> Need to get an updated pick but this gives an idea
[03:57:17] <laminae_> https://imgur.com
[03:58:18] <laminae_> Per spec sheet, that things is rated with a few um of accuracy up to 100kg load
[03:58:28] <laminae_> My frame wis going to die long before that
[04:00:23] <Blumax> Helllo
[04:00:57] <gloops> ahh so not 16inch travel below gantry
[04:01:07] <gloops> hi Blumax
[04:01:18] <Blumax> With Python is it possible to write in the "MDI command" text box of the MDI tab? Without sending the order! Just write in the box?
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[04:06:10] <Deejay> moin
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[05:54:38] <jthornton> morning
[05:56:28] <XXCoder> yo
[05:58:23] <jthornton> looks like somehow I smoked the inputs to my RPi yesterday dunno how
[06:00:54] <XXCoder> so that caused a short that was goving you that weird hot cpu?
[06:01:54] <jthornton> I have no idea what it did except it made it really hot lol
[06:02:55] <jthornton> Failed user gpios: 23 24 25 26 27
[06:03:06] <jthornton> I used 22, 23, 24, 26 and 27 as inputs...
[06:03:26] <XXCoder> what was source of inputs anyway
[06:04:36] <jthornton> simple switches
[06:05:02] <XXCoder> im sure those was wired to voltage inputs need
[06:05:08] <XXCoder> and amps whatever
[06:07:11] <jthornton> voltage comes right off the RPi
[06:07:41] <XXCoder> so odd. wonder where overcurrent come from if that is what haoppened
[06:10:58] <rmu> jthornton: did you use 5V?
[06:11:24] <jthornton> let me look
[06:13:25] <jthornton> yea the inputs are on 5v, the i2c devices are all 3.3v
[06:13:59] <Tom_L> maybe add resistors to them
[06:14:09] <jthornton> I'd assume I wired the chicken coop the same way and it's been running for almost a year
[06:14:18] <jthornton> they have internal resistors
[06:14:37] <Tom_L> yeah, i've never trusted those
[06:14:53] <jthornton> really why?
[06:15:04] <Tom_L> just me i guess
[06:17:25] <Tom_L> i'm not talking about a pullup in this case, rather in series
[06:17:28] <jthornton> https://www.raspberrypi.org
[06:17:53] <jthornton> I think I see the problem... GPIO pin designated as an input pin can be read as high (3V3) or low (0V)
[06:18:08] <jthornton> https://www.raspberrypi.org
[06:18:31] <Tom_L> the resistor would help that i believe
[06:18:52] <Tom_L> instead of having to use a level converter
[06:18:57] <jthornton> I should have used the 3.3v power pin for my imputs I see
[06:18:59] <rmu> jthornton: AFAIK the raspberry pi GPIOs are not 5V tolerant
[06:19:19] <jthornton> yea, I just read that on the raspberrypi.org page
[06:19:30] <rmu> and add a resistor in series, 100k or so, just in case something tries to force current into the pin
[06:19:38] <jthornton> oh well live and learn, more pie on the way lol
[06:19:45] <Tom_L> or even 10k
[06:20:03] <Tom_L> how much current can each pin take?
[06:20:24] <Tom_L> all you need is enough to make a high or low on the pin
[06:21:02] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com
[06:21:05] <Tom_L> that's why i asked about the 3.3v yesterday
[06:21:13] <jthornton> I have that as my terminal block
[06:21:25] <jthornton> I must have missed that yesterday
[06:22:15] <Tom_L> i'm used to dealing with 5v avr stuff but when you get into 3.3 or lower you gotta buffer it somehow
[06:23:10] <jthornton> crap the RPi's I ordered don't come with the heat sinks... I wonder if I can peel them off the dead one
[06:23:40] <Tom_L> probably but do you have a way to glue it back on?
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[06:24:02] <Tom_L> if it's epoxied on you could pull the chip with it :)
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[06:24:26] <jthornton> no, they are peel and stick
[06:25:16] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[06:25:25] <Tom_L> i used voltage dividers on the 3.3 stuff there
[06:25:31] <MarcelineVQ> hey dang that's a neat terminal shield
[06:25:32] <Tom_L> around PB7ish
[06:27:12] <rmu> usually current limitation should be sufficient, internal body diodes clamp voltage
[06:27:23] <jthornton> MarcelineVQ: yea I really like those terminal boards
[06:32:04] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com
[06:32:10] <jthornton> I think I'll get them
[06:38:58] <Tom_L> huh, gettin a bit of rain this morning
[06:39:35] <miss0r> its been 'dust rining' all day. you know - where the droplets are so tiny
[06:39:41] <Tom_L> 46�F Hi 64
[06:40:11] * miss0r is about to remove a metric boatload of fuzzy HDPE chips from the mill
[06:40:37] <miss0r> Damn static!
[06:40:51] <MarcelineVQ> Now's your chance, stuff pillows with them and sell them on etsy to hipsters for 400$
[06:41:15] <jthornton> we are 41°F to 61°F with 100% chance of rain
[06:41:30] <miss0r> MarcelineVQ: nice!
[06:43:34] <jthornton> is a 40 pin ribbon cable a common pc cable?
[06:44:30] <MarcelineVQ> yes ide cables come in 34 and 40 pin
[06:45:04] <MarcelineVQ> looks like 34 was for floppy, so 40 is the more common
[06:45:56] <miss0r> for CD drives and harddrives.
[06:46:12] <miss0r> some also came in 44pin, but those are more proprietary
[06:46:21] <miss0r> or used in laptops :)
[06:49:01] <miss0r> ergh! long needle chips from some hardmilling I did is hiding in the HDPE chips !
[06:49:08] <jthornton> ah ok hard drive cables are 40 pin I must have a million of them laying around
[06:49:58] <jthornton> I had a 9 gram egg the other day someone laid from the roost lol
[06:50:09] <jthornton> tiny little bugger
[06:52:38] <MarcelineVQ> miss0r: put on your liquid metal exoskeleton :O
[07:00:47] <XXCoder> you can turn any N pin cable to < N pin cable
[07:01:07] <MarcelineVQ> you madman!
[07:03:45] <miss0r> :D
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[07:05:16] <miss0r> 1980's tool room cnc machines have one major disadvantage over moderm machine; they are damn near impossible to remove chips from!
[07:05:44] <miss0r> Its like they forgot that was what the machine was build for: making chips. Those chips have to go somewhere..
[07:05:45] <XXCoder> miss0r: I work on couple machines like that. lots of fun
[07:05:53] <MarcelineVQ> shucks buster, why would you want to remove chips? They add weight that helps dampen vibration
[07:06:13] <miss0r> XXCoder: Its a real pai
[07:06:13] <selroc> log
[07:06:14] <russian_troll> selroc: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net
[07:06:14] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[07:06:19] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: sure they build up to sigiarity no problems with weight and stability past that
[07:06:26] <miss0r> MarcelineVQ: With enough chips this machine WILL cripple itself
[07:06:54] <XXCoder> miss0r: let me tell ya, shoveling chips out machine is a pain
[07:07:23] <miss0r> XXCoder: I can live with the shoveling part.. That implying you can fit *something* inthere to get it out
[07:07:29] <XXCoder> lol
[07:07:33] <XXCoder> how about vacuum?
[07:07:39] <miss0r> What I am doing
[07:07:57] <gregcnc> chips stand no chance https://goo.gl
[07:07:58] <miss0r> but those damn HDPE chips have a nasty tendency to wedge into place.
[07:08:14] <XXCoder> hows hdpe on milling?
[07:08:22] <XXCoder> any insane cooling reqirements like nylon?
[07:08:25] <miss0r> so I'm using a small screwdriver & a vacuum. I can only use compressed air so many places
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[07:08:54] <miss0r> XXCoder: not on milling operations; you just need to have a realy sharp cutter & run with a moderately high feed
[07:09:06] <miss0r> but drilling operations are another matter...
[07:09:06] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:09:15] <MarcelineVQ> trick is to blow liquid helium on the cutter as you cut so that the chip comes off brittle :>
[07:09:29] <MarcelineVQ> then you can vacuum no prob
[07:09:30] <miss0r> low RPM, high plunge rate & I use alcohol
[07:10:07] <XXCoder> helium, oddly enough, is way underpriced
[07:10:12] <miss0r> So; this morning when I got into the shop, it gave off that "stale party" smell :)
[07:10:22] <XXCoder> it should be at $250 per pound nowdays
[07:10:28] <gregcnc> when did helium prices drop?
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[07:10:31] <MarcelineVQ> is it? that's odd, it's not like you can get get more by electrolosis
[07:10:44] <XXCoder> gregcnc: usa nuclear program, usa gather so much helium
[07:10:56] <XXCoder> but currently dumping em for decades
[07:11:10] <miss0r> dentists giving it up & production still at high volume? :)
[07:11:14] <XXCoder> thing is helium is "kinda" nonrenewable
[07:11:16] <gregcnc> a few years ago even baloon stores were complaingin it was high
[07:11:44] <XXCoder> only new helium sources is decay of some radioactive stuff, and sellar space
[07:12:15] <miss0r> perhaps someone found a 'cheap' way to suck it from the atmosphere?
[07:12:21] <sync> MarcelineVQ: you can suck more out of the earth from natural gas wells
[07:12:32] <XXCoder> it gors up into space then blown away by solar wind
[07:12:44] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: there really isn't any way of doing that. You rely on byproducts of the airgas industry
[07:13:06] <sync> more like a byproduct of the natural gas industry
[07:13:08] <sync> but yes
[07:13:21] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: So you're limited to whatever that industry uses, times your collection efficiency.
[07:13:31] <miss0r> Ha.. well :) I guess I'll cut down on my balloon float budget
[07:13:31] <SpeedEvil> (plus of course oil well extracts, yes)
[07:13:53] <XXCoder> we REALLY need space program.
[07:14:04] <miss0r> who are 'we' ?
[07:14:12] <sync> there is not much in the air, so they succ it out of the NG wells mostly
[07:14:19] <XXCoder> and really find a way to go to space without toy chemical rockets
[07:14:24] <XXCoder> miss0r: human.
[07:14:47] <miss0r> I thought 'we' were sending stuff out there all the time?
[07:15:03] <XXCoder> toys really. we need big programs
[07:15:09] <XXCoder> like space mining, colonization
[07:15:11] <miss0r> :]
[07:15:18] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: most of the hypothetical schemes end up more expensive than natural gas and oxygen
[07:15:30] <XXCoder> those toys is doing good stuff and also science but we need to do more.
[07:15:33] <MarcelineVQ> all we gotta do is crash an asteroids into the earth that's mostly gold, economy solved
[07:15:40] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX is aiming at ~$3/kg launch costs.
[07:15:51] <miss0r> MarcelineVQ: I think that will have the oposite effect, realy ;)
[07:15:58] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: maybe not. japanese recently found really really strong material. may be finally a suitable material for space bridge
[07:16:05] <MarcelineVQ> miss0r: what could go wrong?
[07:16:18] <miss0r> if goldprices drops below that of oatmeal, the economy would suffer somewhat
[07:16:23] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: It is actually hard to get down to that figure even with a mature space elevator.
[07:16:37] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: ecomony based on gold wouldc crash, but FINALLY we have plenty of gold for awesome uses like soldering so on
[07:16:43] <miss0r> MarcelineVQ: The part about crashing an astroid into earth sounds quite harmless in itself
[07:16:43] <XXCoder> gold is best for those but...
[07:17:29] <MarcelineVQ> :>
[07:17:37] <miss0r> This happens more often than I'd like.. I need to get back to cleaning :D
[07:19:13] <gregcnc> we need an asteroid made of oil
[07:19:34] <gloops> maybe HG Wells already thought of the right idea
[07:19:49] <XXCoder> gregcnc: not really, generation of crude oil has been found
[07:20:06] <XXCoder> just need to expand it to bulk speed then... no more drilling.
[07:20:16] <XXCoder> no more fracking fracking also
[07:20:22] <jthornton> speaking of cleaning time to clean up the chicken poop
[07:20:36] <gloops> anti-gravity substance, a substance which not only is not affected by gravity, but also shields every beyond it from gravity
[07:20:48] <gloops> everything beyond it
[07:21:04] <gloops> so a plate of that laid on the ground, you stand it on - no gravity
[07:21:14] <gloops> all the way to space
[07:21:26] <XXCoder> gloops: sadly antigravity would require somehow anti-bending of spacetime itself as gravity is effect from bending of spacetime. so you need massive negative mass
[07:21:28] <MarcelineVQ> you're gonna piss off a lot of aliens
[07:21:35] <XXCoder> dont know if thats nearly remotely possible
[07:21:40] <MarcelineVQ> who are eventually hit by the end of that anti-gravity ray
[07:21:45] <MarcelineVQ> and get tossed off their planet
[07:22:24] <gloops> MarcelineVQ it would only be influential until the point of normal 0 gravity is reached - beyond the earths pull
[07:22:48] <MarcelineVQ> what the fuck is 0 gravity :>
[07:22:56] <gloops> XXCoder i dunno some further understanding of gravity may be found, graviton particles etc
[07:22:59] <gregcnc> wouldn't anti gravity plates throw earth off balance which side would be up? And what if you drop it and if fell "jelly" side down would you ever be able to pick it up agian?
[07:23:09] <XXCoder> gloops: we do understand some of it now
[07:23:52] <gloops> gregcnc yes, in his novel HG Wells character steers his craft by the use of anti-gravity blinds, lowered and raised
[07:23:53] <XXCoder> as it looks like mass is caused by higgs. you cant have less than zero higg particles
[07:24:13] <gloops> so allowing say the moon to pull us this way, then the earth to pull us back etc
[07:24:37] <XXCoder> however if we find a way to remove higgs, could reach zero or extremely low mass for large stuff. which would be awesome. but not antigravity
[07:24:39] <gregcnc> the moon is falling away from earth
[07:25:39] <gloops> well the future might be about manipulating existing forces and energy, rather than making engines, put it that way
[07:25:51] <gregcnc> tha'ts what we do now
[07:26:14] <gloops> a beam of light could pull you to the stars, no rocket required
[07:26:19] <XXCoder> gregcnc: inches a year if I recall right lol
[07:26:41] <gregcnc> eventually there will be no total solar eclipse
[07:27:11] <gregcnc> but maybe by then, we will have invaded mars
[07:27:34] <XXCoder> 1.6 inch a year
[07:29:16] <MarcelineVQ> gregcnc: and when we get there we'll activat the reactor that melts the polar caps there and brings atmosphere back to mars, and then deep inside of it we find legions of machines ready for our use, and each one seems to have a mysterious spirit within it, at the center of all of these machines is the greatest one of all yet it will not stir from its slumber. it waits. waits for the empire of man to grow fat, and flavorful
[07:29:35] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: problem is massive atomsphere loss due to lack of magnet field
[07:29:41] <XXCoder> theres couple ideas to do that
[07:30:16] <XXCoder> like one co-orbiting disk that redirects solar wind away from mars. that one is actually doable with current tech, just expensive
[07:30:31] <MarcelineVQ> XXCoder: injet that girl with some good old fashioned radioactive heavy metals, get that core melty and mobile again, you'l gety your magnetic field
[07:30:45] <XXCoder> not as doable with current tech
[07:30:58] <XXCoder> know what would be better?
[07:31:05] <XXCoder> venus. just remove most of atomshere
[07:31:09] <MarcelineVQ> becoming gods before even leaving earth?
[07:31:17] <XXCoder> its baically earth twins
[07:31:32] <XXCoder> mars is midget to earth and venus basically
[07:32:11] <XXCoder> mecury is also livable just tough to get there and setup and you have extreme difference between hot and cold sides
[07:32:18] <gloops> working on the naive assumption that we will want to transport our bodies - which will no longer exist
[07:32:26] <XXCoder> theres ring area where you can live
[07:32:26] <MarcelineVQ> Sure, but mars piques the romantic heart XXCoder, that we can gaze upon its skin and admire her valleys
[07:32:43] <XXCoder> red, like god of war killed everything and bled out lol
[07:32:53] <gloops> once your mind is digitised you can be transmitted anywhere at c
[07:32:58] <MarcelineVQ> venus is a mystery, but not an especially beautiful one, like europa
[07:33:06] <XXCoder> mars is easiest way to colonize for it
[07:33:11] <XXCoder> *niw
[07:33:14] <XXCoder> *now
[07:33:19] <MarcelineVQ> Limiting yourself to current tech is silly when you're in the realm of imagination anyway, we're not exactly problem solving here.
[07:33:29] <gloops> first sending instructions for the aliens to build a computer for your mind to inhabit
[07:33:51] <MarcelineVQ> gloops: you're going to trust alien china to manufacture your mind-cage?
[07:34:13] <gloops> yeah why not, ill have several back-up copies here
[07:34:19] <jthornton> the big question once your mind is digitized is will I dream?
[07:34:24] <gloops> and why only go to one place, and can be everywhere at once
[07:34:56] <XXCoder> gloops: you cant imange how complex human mind is
[07:34:58] <gloops> isnt this dreaming?
[07:35:43] <gloops> XXCoder so complex maybe it can make another..mind
[07:36:06] <XXCoder> i dont know if true MI is possible
[07:36:18] <XXCoder> but scan human or any species mind and run it sure ... evenually
[07:37:02] <gloops> todays computers are like the stone axe
[07:37:32] <MarcelineVQ> XXCoder: MI?
[07:37:37] <gregcnc> i don't think leaving the planet is part of the simulation
[07:38:04] <gloops> all we need are suitable alien brains to occupy
[07:38:18] <XXCoder> machine intellegence. as opposited to AI which is artifical intellegence which is simulation of intellect
[07:38:38] <MarcelineVQ> AGI?
[07:38:51] <XXCoder> like human brain is not simulation of intellegance. it IS intellent and self-aware
[07:39:04] <MarcelineVQ> Is it though.
[07:39:31] <MarcelineVQ> To go further with that branch though we'd need to define intelligence
[07:39:31] <XXCoder> sure unless youre not self-aware?
[07:40:19] <XXCoder> now that is diffult. that is why my differation between ai and mi is quite astract
[07:40:20] <gloops> difficult to observe, as you can seemingly only observe your own consciousness
[07:40:28] <gloops> i dont know if you are self aware
[07:40:37] <gloops> i think i am
[07:40:42] <XXCoder> therefore I am
[07:40:55] <gloops> you might be a figment of my imagination
[07:40:56] <XXCoder> ;)
[07:41:05] <gloops> cogito ergo sum
[07:41:15] <MarcelineVQ> There's plenty of evidence in cognitive science that conciousness is illusory, a result of a brain that can reflect on the decisions its made but perceives this as making the decisions.
[07:41:17] <XXCoder> I dont really go into unprovable or disproofable argument
[07:42:00] <gloops> there is some evidence that neutrons fire AFTER the the person is aware of the thought
[07:43:08] <XXCoder> I recall reading that but im not sure about source
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[07:43:37] <gloops> there were some studies showing that, doesnt seem to have got any traction in the scientific world though
[07:43:40] <XXCoder> https://www.scientificamerican.com
[07:43:52] <MarcelineVQ> Certainly it's understood that we constantly remake memories as we rembeer them, such that every remembering changes the memory in a slight or major ways. This is why people may adamantly believe in past lives and recovered memories, or that memories seem more vivid with age, becuse they are, you're enriching them each rememberance
[07:44:12] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: yep! we modify it as we recall events
[07:44:17] <XXCoder> which kind of sucks
[07:44:30] <XXCoder> I bet you that module for abosute recall would be popular
[07:44:37] <XXCoder> once it exists anyway
[07:44:41] <MarcelineVQ> Yes
[07:44:43] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: or not.
[07:44:57] <XXCoder> I would buy it for sure
[07:45:14] <MarcelineVQ> It would be useful as a proof of innocence even if you don't use it actively yourself
[07:45:15] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: remembering life without the gloss of being able to misremember events to your benefit might be not so pleasant.
[07:45:40] <gregcnc> a very few have that ability now
[07:45:43] <MarcelineVQ> I mean look at todays climate where accusations are enough to destroy a person's livelyhood. perfect recall devices would be nice.
[07:46:05] <gregcnc> would it stop people from lying?
[07:46:07] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: reality is painful. deal with it :)
[07:46:39] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: if thats about that judge I still dont get why he refuses fbi checkup
[07:46:40] <MarcelineVQ> gregcnc: It wouldn't silence the court of opinion you're right about that, but it could let a person get back to their life sooner as far as actual legalities go
[07:47:07] <gloops> well, neurons stretch all over the body, more frequent use strengthens them, like if you dont ever use 1 leg it will have weaker nerves than the other one
[07:47:18] <gloops> similar with memories
[07:48:24] <MarcelineVQ> You know, I really like that there's such varied points of view in this channel.
[07:48:35] <SpeedEvil> Stronger does not mean more accurate.
[07:49:59] <XXCoder> yep
[07:50:02] <gloops> traumatic event, constantly re-visited becames very strong memory, almost indistinguishable from reality, re-living it over and over, like when i built my router
[07:52:21] <jthornton> router from hell
[07:52:27] <XXCoder> wow getting late gonna go
[07:52:36] <XXCoder> be back in a bit for short tme
[07:52:44] <MarcelineVQ> so late it's getting early here :X
[07:53:54] <gloops> its late here in terms of what i should have done by now, and what i have actually done
[07:54:28] <MarcelineVQ> irc is the endless coffee-break
[07:54:29] * jthornton has to hit the road in a bit for a boring 8 hour ride
[07:56:14] <MarcelineVQ> are you at least ending up somewhere unboring?
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[08:10:31] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: honestly I rather REMEMBER than pretend to.
[08:10:46] <XXCoder> jthornton: hopefully has driving partner?
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[09:15:12] <gloops> cutter shaft ground down fine https://www.youtube.com
[09:15:24] <gloops> obviously will be cleaning the lathe up later lol
[09:17:42] <MarcelineVQ> got a shirt or towel over the ways?
[09:18:22] <gloops> nope
[09:18:54] <MarcelineVQ> seems to be pretty common, guessing it goes a long way cleanup-wise
[09:20:00] <gloops> probably ought to, this lathe probably doesnt care anymore though
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[09:28:39] <gloops> now that i know this works ive got a few cutters to reduce, smaller shaft doesnt matter within reason, most are designed for hand or bench router with some force applied, in cnc theyre usually inserted so the shank is right in anyway, unlikely to break
[09:29:35] <gloops> fun over for today though, van to empty now
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[12:35:02] <gloops> https://www.banidea.com
[12:35:08] <gloops> not doable on 3 axis
[12:42:22] <Loetmichel> gloops_ oh, on the cotnrary. it is doable on 3 axis... just needs quite a few mountings
[12:42:32] <Loetmichel> contrary
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[12:50:00] <gloops> well yes you would need some ability to tilt the job
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[12:58:50] <{HD}> Alright time to link vfd to lcnc! Got the power run to the new location and have most of the connections made.
[13:05:33] <gloops> proceed with caution
[13:06:17] <gloops> also DO NOT power off to the vfd while the spindle is still turning
[13:09:04] <{HD}> gloops: I have had it setup previously but I had HDD failure and had to rebuild lcnc configs from scratch.
[13:09:28] <gloops> ahh ok
[13:09:38] <{HD}> I took the opportunity when that happened to move this small machine to the closet to maje room for the big machine I am building.
[13:15:58] <gloops> i took some photos of the wiring when i moved mine, took a while to sort out first time lol
[13:18:03] <gloops> https://www.pinterest.co.uk wonder if those cutters work
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[13:37:16] <fragalot> 'sup
[13:38:05] <fragalot> miss0r: just picked up the new welder. good god that machine is so nice to run.
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[13:50:21] <gloops> setting up on your own fragalot?
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[13:57:36] <fragalot> gloops: nope, just letting the hobby grow out of control
[13:58:08] <gloops> ahh, you seem to be amassing some serious workshop tools thats all
[13:59:14] <fragalot> :-)
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[14:15:29] <roycroft> what kind of welder did you get?
[14:16:46] <FinboySlick> "Grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't."
[14:17:31] <fragalot> roycroft: https://www.ewm-sales.com with upgraded 260A torch & ground lead
[14:17:34] <roycroft> not to forget the bondo
[14:17:59] <fragalot> the difference with my old (read: 2007) ergus inverter is night & day
[14:18:43] <roycroft> nice
[14:19:03] <roycroft> i don't use my tig welder much, but it's a really sweet machine
[14:19:10] <roycroft> i got a water cooler for mine
[14:19:48] <fragalot> I don't run long enough beads hot enough for an oversized torch to get uncomfortable
[14:19:52] <roycroft> i have to do a bunch of welding on 8mm plate/flat bar soon, and my little mig welder isn't really up to it
[14:21:09] <roycroft> so i'll be checking out the smaw feature of my tig welder soon
[14:21:14] <gloops> in theory you can weld anything with 100 amp welder
[14:21:35] <gloops> customer might think its a bit shit to have 10 runs on though lol
[14:21:40] <fragalot> gloops: I disagree a little :P
[14:21:46] <roycroft> it's not just the amount you can fill at a time
[14:21:47] <fragalot> unless if you can turn it down
[14:22:02] <roycroft> if the welder is undersize you have to pre-heat the work (quite a bit)
[14:22:04] <fragalot> but if you also can't turn it up, you'll have to stop a lot on thick stainless
[14:22:11] <fragalot> and copper is even harder
[14:22:12] <gloops> you can get the depth by grinding out, fill in with weld
[14:22:17] <roycroft> you won't get good penetration otherwise
[14:22:24] <fragalot> roycroft: yeah, but at too low amps & low feed speed you will put a LOT of heat into the part
[14:22:36] <fragalot> and potentially burn up the stainless
[14:23:00] <roycroft> i can't imagine welding stainless with any process other than gtaw anyway
[14:23:12] <roycroft> and my gtaw welder is 250a
[14:23:22] <fragalot> so you'd have to weld it in loads of short spurts of like 20mm before letting it cool down
[14:23:26] <roycroft> i've seen what folks do with stainless steel and gmaw
[14:23:30] <roycroft> and it makes me want to throw up
[14:23:36] <fragalot> lol
[14:24:18] <fragalot> so this new welder has a pretty nice pulse feature
[14:24:21] <fragalot> that goes up to 2kHz
[14:24:29] <fragalot> which is *LOUD*
[14:24:42] <fragalot> great way to scare off the neighbourhood cats I think
[14:27:01] <sync> gmaw is actually fine for stainless
[14:27:11] <fragalot> sync: depends on who's doing it :P
[14:27:26] <sync> you need to treat the weld afterwards but you need to do it with tig most of the times too
[14:29:06] * fragalot is watching a training film for US soldiers on how to behave in britain in 1943
[14:29:09] <fragalot> and it's brilliant
[14:29:19] <fragalot> I cannae understand a word they're saying
[14:29:52] <gloops> i dont think they saw it
[14:31:43] <SpeedEvil> I recommend 'reefer madness' also
[14:32:27] <roycroft> sync: perhaps it is, but i've never seen any stainless welding job that used gmaw that doesn't look like someone glued a bunch of gravel on the part and painted it silver
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[14:34:51] <roycroft> i've never tried, myself
[14:35:03] <roycroft> when i needed to weld on stainless steel i bought a gtaw welder
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[14:35:55] <fragalot> you'll never get a cosmetic weld from GMAW on stainless as far as I know
[14:36:07] <fragalot> but they're structurally fine
[14:36:32] <roycroft> about 100% of my stainless welding needs to be sanitary
[14:36:44] <fragalot> TIG is the only way to go then
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[14:36:52] <roycroft> which is why, after buying a nice gtaw welder, i farmed out the welding for a while
[14:37:14] <roycroft> and then i got a friend who is a very good welder to come to my shop and do some work with my machine
[14:37:23] <roycroft> i'm definitely not good enough to do sanitary welding
[14:38:04] <roycroft> although i must say that my attempts at gtaw welding on stainless came out better looking than any gmaw stainless welding that i've ever seen
[14:38:46] <fragalot> I have 2 personal settings
[14:38:53] <fragalot> instragram worthy but structurally probably not sound
[14:39:03] <fragalot> and structurally sound, but not instagram worthy
[14:39:04] <fragalot> :P
[14:39:11] <roycroft> one thing i did to help with the welds is put a splitter on my argon outlet
[14:39:17] <roycroft> one line goes to the torch
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[14:39:42] <roycroft> the other goes to a back gas fixture that i built for the type of weld i'm doing
[14:40:01] <roycroft> gtaw goes through a *lot* of gas
[14:40:30] <roycroft> and i really do try to localize the back gas area
[14:40:34] <fragalot> yeah, most "I know what I am doing!" welders i've worked alongside never bother with that,.. mainly because they never get to see the damage as someone else has to fix it
[14:40:37] <roycroft> but it still goes through a lot of gas
[14:40:44] <diverdude> fragalot: hi - thanks for your help yesterday. I tried to expand your code to run on 2 motors: http://paste.ubuntu.com its running ok to limit switch on both axes, but for some reason its not running back away from either. Do you have any idea why?
[14:41:11] <fragalot> roycroft: solarflux is apparently something that can be used as an alternative when you don't mind it potentially flaking later
[14:41:47] <roycroft> i don't need sanitary welding often
[14:41:59] <roycroft> i'm content to just farm it out or have my friend come over when i do need it
[14:42:07] <roycroft> and the gtaw is so nice for so many other things
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[14:42:55] <fragalot> diverdude: did it work before?
[14:43:10] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah it works when i run it on a single motor
[14:43:20] <diverdude> fragalot: ie when i ran your code it works
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[14:45:08] <fragalot> diverdude: have you looked at that switch bounce?
[14:46:02] <diverdude> fragalot: i have yes - but would that be able to explain why the code works on one motor but not on 2 ?
[14:46:05] <fragalot> I'm just wondering if that's not accidentally allowing it to pass straight from home_switched to done when it's only gone through the loop once
[14:46:38] <fragalot> well now you have the state machine running directly in a while loop, where-as before it was in the main loop.. it's possible that the main loop is slower. (no idea)
[14:46:59] <fragalot> you could add a state to just pause for a while
[14:47:28] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah...when would i switch to that state?
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[14:51:06] <fragalot> diverdude: https://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:51:09] <fragalot> i've only done it for X
[14:51:15] <fragalot> and as usual, not tested it :)
[14:51:31] <fragalot> so it's likely that it will fail
[14:52:33] <fragalot> in fact, it will
[14:53:44] <diverdude> oh, why?
[14:53:50] <fragalot> https://paste.ubuntu.com <== that might be better
[14:53:52] <fragalot> line 60
[14:54:22] <fragalot> before, if the home_pause state was reached when the controller was already running for more than 100ms, it would instantly say the time has passed
[14:54:38] <fragalot> so now it checks if the time isn't still at 0, so it skips it the first go around
[14:57:10] <diverdude> i will try it
[14:58:42] <fragalot> note also that stepperY is commented out. is that intentional?
[14:59:28] <diverdude> fragalot: yeah....i intentionally did that to just work on one stepper now.....it behaves the same when its commented in
[14:59:44] <diverdude> fragalot: the fix did not make any difference :/ So strange
[15:01:12] <diverdude> fragalot: if it works with 1 motor it should also work with 2 i would think
[15:01:25] <fragalot> maybe your while loop is messing with it?
[15:01:40] <fragalot> change that to a while(1) to take it out of the equation all together
[15:02:16] <fragalot> also... stepperY.setMaxSpeed is missing in your setup
[15:02:28] <fragalot> so the Y will be slooooooooooooooow :P
[15:03:40] <diverdude> fragalot: uhhh ok i tried to run your original code....now it behaves the same way....i just tested it an hour ago or so where it was working great
[15:03:44] <diverdude> hmmm
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[15:07:54] <fragalot> well, SOMETHING must have changed :-)
[15:09:46] <diverdude> i dont get it
[15:10:28] <diverdude> fragalot: where are you from btw?
[15:10:33] <fragalot> belgium
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[15:11:28] <diverdude> fragalot: are you working with CNC machines in your dayjob?
[15:11:33] <fragalot> nope
[15:15:50] <diverdude> fragalot: w000t. when i added Serial.begin in the setup() it worked
[15:15:56] <fragalot> xD
[15:16:43] <diverdude> so now i need to figure out why the 2-motor example does not work
[15:16:56] <diverdude> *again*
[15:17:04] <fragalot> try adding and/or changing one thing at a time, rather than the whole lot
[15:17:42] <diverdude> fragalot: so you mean home one axis at the time=
[15:17:43] <diverdude> ?
[15:18:04] <fragalot> no
[15:18:10] <fragalot> take the working code, using only one axis
[15:18:28] <fragalot> and call it in the same way you do in the non-working version via that homeIt function
[15:18:33] <fragalot> if that still works, you know that part checks out
[15:18:55] <fragalot> if not, you know that's caused the problem
[15:19:50] <diverdude> true
[15:20:01] <diverdude> good strategy
[15:20:16] <fragalot> it's the only strategy that works, regardless of how complicated the system is :D
[15:22:15] <gloops> you have got like switch a and switch b
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[15:22:59] <gloops> in fact, im going to watch the telly
[15:23:07] <fragalot> lol good choice
[15:23:24] <{HD}> Anyone have a huanyang hooked up to their lcnc? Does thing really run upto 24k rpm!? How do I change the “spindle at speed” panel to match the rpm of the vfd?
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[15:29:56] <diverdude> fragalot: ok...still works in the homeit function......now ill just add code until it fails
[15:30:22] <fragalot> yup :-)
[15:31:07] <diverdude> AHA
[15:31:30] <diverdude> as soon as i moved the enum declaration into the homeit func it fails
[15:31:50] <fragalot> :)
[15:32:06] <fragalot> don't do that then :D
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[15:33:31] <diverdude> that was it
[15:33:34] <diverdude> it works now
[15:33:39] <diverdude> ok thats really weird
[15:33:47] <diverdude> why on earth would that make it crash like that
[15:40:40] <fragalot> one of life's great mysteries
[15:41:53] <diverdude> it truly is
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[15:57:28] <{HD}> I think I found the information I needed. Now to just implement it.
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[16:30:54] <jthornton> afternoon
[16:36:43] <XXCoder> another shooting. :( this time by self-called incel
[16:36:53] <XXCoder> yoga area
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[16:37:34] <XXCoder> guy had rants where he said ladies in high school refused to have sex with him... and called them whores. okkkkay..
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[17:13:02] <{HD}> Hal files still confuse me.
[17:13:12] <{HD}> I wish my lcnc box had internet
[17:28:32] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:29:25] <gloops> we'll sort the spindle speed tommorrow HD
[17:30:20] <{HD}> 🤗
[17:31:03] <{HD}> I just need to make sense of the formatting. I see in hal monitor the fields I need to use.
[17:32:34] <gloops> you need to invert the spindle pin for one thing
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[17:38:49] <gloops> have you got the spindle to turn yet <{HD}>
[17:52:30] <{HD}> gloops: yea. It moves and changes speed and reverses but.
[17:52:56] <gloops> so the scale isnt right
[17:53:36] <{HD}> I am trying to change the pyvcp interface to not look silly and make it display the rpm instead of whatever number corresponds with 3k.
[17:54:53] <gloops> i forgot that, i dunno if i have an old file, nothing on this computer anyway
[17:55:42] <gloops> this channel seems to have lost the keen 'helpers' it had with people at diy cnc level
[17:55:44] <{HD}> I am getting closer. I should reread the docs so I understand the whole pin thing better
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[18:10:18] <JT-Shop> {HD}: http://linuxcnc.org
[18:10:30] <JT-Shop> that might make sense now for you
[18:12:04] <{HD}> I need to dload the online docs for my offline installation of lcnc
[18:12:36] <JT-Shop> they are already there...
[18:13:06] <gloops> im the same re that, machine PC is offline, i end up back and forth from one PC to another to read, go back change script etc
[18:13:58] <gloops> the docs are in the help on linuxcnc?
[18:14:27] <JT-Shop> yea that is a pia... makes one want to string a CAT5 cable across the lawn
[18:14:31] <{HD}> I don’t think the os docs are uptodate with the online docs...
[18:15:14] <JT-Shop> they should be up to date
[18:15:16] <{HD}> I just checked my wire. Lol! I have a what appears to be a few hundred feet of cat 6!
[18:15:34] <JT-Shop> everytime you get an update it includes the documents...
[18:15:46] <{HD}> I don’t get updates!
[18:16:06] <gloops> i tried setting up a wireless dongle - but of course thats a pain in debian and you need to be online to research it...thats as far as that got
[18:16:18] <JT-Shop> hmmm oh yea
[18:16:42] <JT-Shop> string that cat cable out there from time to time or bring the hard drive inside...
[18:17:09] <JT-Shop> debian does not make your life easy and there is no easy button like other os's
[18:17:34] <gloops> im reluctant to update anymore, took ages to get these configs right, im scared something will get changed lol, it runs, thatll do me
[18:17:50] <JT-Shop> I seem to remember some way to update via a USB stick or something like that
[18:18:09] <{HD}> I am installing a lawn hydrant maybe I will throw a gopher rated cable in the trench.
[18:18:17] <JT-Shop> if your using master is it a risk, 2.7 not much of a risk
[18:18:33] <gloops> yes im on 2.8
[18:18:41] * JT-Shop wanders down to tuck the chickens in for the night
[18:19:13] <JT-Shop> yea 2.8 is subject to break at any time... you can do a git clone and make docs just to get the latest docs
[18:19:50] <gloops> i could do with a second drive for updating
[18:20:36] <gloops> anyway bedtime here
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[18:26:25] <jthornton> good night
[18:32:32] <Tom_L> hmm
[18:36:28] <jthornton> Tom_L: do you remember anything about updating LinuxCNC from a USB drive?
[18:37:14] <Tom_L> can't say i ever did that
[18:38:50] <Tom_L> business or pleasure trip today?
[18:39:23] <jthornton> went to pick up a 15" planer and came home with a dust collector as well
[18:39:48] <Tom_L> ahh so all play today :)
[18:41:06] <jthornton> pia, long drive rained like hell all the way home and that thing is freaking heavy!
[18:41:08] <Tom_L> i thought you had a planer
[18:41:31] <jthornton> I have a jointer that my buddy gave me
[18:41:42] <Tom_L> ahh that's what the blades were for..
[18:41:59] <jthornton> got it working rather nice too, I was surprised as hell...
[18:42:14] <jthornton> yes they are 6" x 1/16" on the jointer
[18:43:20] <Tom_L> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
[18:43:24] <Tom_L> you have one of those?
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[18:44:13] <Tom_L> i did a bunch of drawers once and picked one up way back then
[18:44:14] <jthornton> not a fancy one like that but I have one somewhere
[18:44:39] <jthornton> I'd rather do finger joints now that I have a decent table saw
[18:44:49] <Tom_L> yeah
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[18:45:14] <Tom_L> do you ever dowel them?
[18:45:53] <jthornton> no, I used a biscuit cutter from time to time depending on the joint
[18:46:19] <jthornton> mostly for edge glued up stuff I use biscuits
[18:49:07] <jthornton> time to wander upstairs
[18:54:12] <Tom_L> later
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[19:21:32] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com wtf?
[19:33:30] <roycroft> biscuits are good for what they're good for
[19:33:33] <roycroft> but they're pretty weak
[19:33:39] <roycroft> one of the weakest forms of joinery
[19:33:55] <roycroft> i would never attach a drawer front to the sides with biscuits
[19:34:46] <roycroft> i use them all the time, but i know where they work well and where they don't
[19:42:47] <t0ner> {HD}: some systems give 110%
[19:42:52] <t0ner> yours is clearly superior
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[19:46:59] <{HD}> Ha
[19:50:48] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[19:50:56] <{HD}> How exactly do I install these additional 171 update?
[19:52:04] <laminae_> Well, just scooped this bad boy up for 400 https://www.ebay.com
[19:52:39] <laminae_> looks like my x axis is getting a makeover
[20:27:22] <ziper> I have no idea what size belts are suitable for my application
[20:28:56] <gregcnc> gates has good references
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[20:38:12] <Tom_L> {HD} get an interweb connection and do the update
[20:38:53] <{HD}> I just hooked it to the interwebs. Thats how it knows...
[20:39:18] <Tom_L> apt-get update
[20:40:05] <Tom_L> or use the gui update manager
[20:48:04] <{HD}> That picture is the gui updated manager
[20:48:30] <{HD}> I click install updates with them all checked and it doesn’t do it
[20:49:12] <Tom_L> did you select a download site?
[20:49:30] <Tom_L> you could try another one
[20:49:51] <Tom_L> i had trouble with one so i used a mirror site
[20:50:29] <{HD}> Tom_L: your right! Some of the debian sites block VPNs. I forgot about that.
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[21:01:18] <roycroft> why would debian block vpns?
[21:01:23] <roycroft> is it because they are vpns?
[21:01:37] <roycroft> or is it because they are not geographically close?
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[21:07:39] <{HD}> Because its a VPN I guess. It is geography close so thats not it. Maybe they don’t outright block but have a use cap?
[21:09:07] <roycroft> that would likely be a function of the vpn provider, not debian, no?
[21:10:11] <ziper> shit
[21:10:25] <ziper> i broke my banggood order into two in an attempt to get free shipping
[21:10:34] <ziper> my credit card won't go through for the second one
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[21:18:30] <ziper> after turning my phone on i see the bank messaged me, crisis averted
[21:18:41] <{HD}> roycroft: nope debian.org is the culprit.
[21:28:16] <roycroft> i wonder why they would do that
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[21:41:13] <Tom_L> {HD} so you got the updates?
[21:41:40] <{HD}> Tom_L: yep
[21:41:44] <{HD}> All but 3
[21:41:44] <Tom_L> i think i wound up using texas uni
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