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[03:28:33] <miss0r2> bah. how does this work again?
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[04:56:02] <Jin^eLD> morning
[04:56:17] <XXCoder> yo
[04:57:23] <Jin^eLD> installed a dehumidifier in the workshop yesterday, let's see how expensive that turns out to be in the long run
[04:57:36] <XXCoder> big compressor type?
[04:58:37] <Jin^eLD> I went for one that can handle tripple the size of my shed which is currently really small - only 15m^2, but I hope to expand at some point, compressor with gas defrost
[04:58:44] <MarcelineVQ> they're not bad if you have them come on when needed and you're generous with the range they work on
[04:59:30] <MarcelineVQ> as in, don't expect them to only run once-in-awhile if you're after under 50% humid
[04:59:32] <Jin^eLD> I almost went for absorber, because my shed is not heated in the winter, but that one would have been too weak for the summer and the temp rarely drops below 5 degrees in the building, so the compressor with gas based defrost had a wider operational range
[04:59:38] <Jin^eLD> from 5 degrees C
[05:00:10] <MarcelineVQ> dehumidifier will tend to warm a space
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[05:00:16] <Jin^eLD> it did about 15% reduction yesterday within a little under 2 hours
[05:00:31] <Jin^eLD> then I switch it to a bit less than half (it was still going) and had to leave
[05:00:47] <Jin^eLD> so we'll see if it stopped today and what the actual humidity is
[05:01:02] <Jin^eLD> unfortunately it has no display so you have to use some external barometer for orientation
[05:01:08] <Jin^eLD> hygrometer that is
[05:01:38] <Jin^eLD> but it has a built in hygrometer to keep the setting you choose with a knob, you just don't know how much it is if you don't have an additional device
[05:03:01] <MarcelineVQ> assuming my sensor is accurate they tend to stop being able to pull water at 25% humid or so, and work very well above 50%
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[05:03:56] <Jin^eLD> MarcelineVQ: what target percentage did you go for?
[05:05:42] <MarcelineVQ> I usually have it start at 60+ and turn it off when it hits 40%. it'll depend how sensitive the device is and your climate
[05:06:22] <MarcelineVQ> For models with the sensor in the unit just turning it off can bump the reading up 10% since airflow stops and collected water can evaporate towards the sensor a bit
[05:07:33] <Jin^eLD> oh ok, so your target is around 50% then, but good to know about the 10% bump
[05:07:52] <Jin^eLD> it has an internal sensor so this probably applies to me as well
[05:08:06] <Jin^eLD> that's the one I got: https://uk.trotec.com
[05:08:21] <MarcelineVQ> I stop being concerned at 50%, partly because that's where the efficiency drops and partly because it's actually pretty dry as far as air goes
[05:08:46] <Jin^eLD> from what I read 50% should be fine if you worry about corrosion, so that was my target as well
[05:08:52] <MarcelineVQ> That's a similar size to the ones we have
[05:09:01] <MarcelineVQ> Maybe a little smaller
[05:09:15] <Jin^eLD> I first wanted to install heating, but then read deeper into the topic and it turned out that heating, well, only heats, but does not remove any moisture from the air
[05:09:37] <MarcelineVQ> Yeah, you'll find the dehumidifer will heat the space if it's a compressor type
[05:09:46] <XXCoder> hotter air would make humid extraction faster I think so
[05:10:15] <Jin^eLD> XXCoder: yes, they work best at warmer temps as they can produce a much bigger temp difference for condensation
[05:10:52] <Jin^eLD> I'll have to install a pipe for it though so I that I don't need to bother with emptying it manually
[05:11:06] <XXCoder> make sure it cant freeze
[05:11:25] <XXCoder> or pipe water to indoors weed plant lol
[05:11:50] <MarcelineVQ> Yeah we move ours around a fair bit so installing the hose never ended up making more sense than dumping manually
[05:12:16] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: indoors tomoto plant
[05:12:59] <MarcelineVQ> We do keep tomatos indoors but it's just to have trimmings to grow from in the spring :D
[05:13:08] <Jin^eLD> :))
[05:13:24] <XXCoder> nice. though maybe you can water it with humdifier output
[05:13:37] <XXCoder> with overflow that goes outside
[05:14:00] <Jin^eLD> we have a building with garage boxes and there is a drain in the center, so I can lay the pipe towards, indoors, won't freeze
[05:14:11] <Jin^eLD> no plants to water available :)
[05:14:21] <XXCoder> lol
[05:14:34] <MarcelineVQ> I'd rather have it shut itself off when it's full than risk pouring it out, and sucking that back up, and pouring that out, and sucking that backup :> If we had floor-drains upstairs that wouldn't be as much of a concern
[05:16:10] <Jin^eLD> :)
[05:16:26] <Jin^eLD> luckily we have that drain and its outside of my box, so I can keep my workshop well isolated
[05:18:06] <Jin^eLD> need to add some thermal isolation to the gate though
[05:18:31] <XXCoder> nice
[05:18:37] <Jin^eLD> and I am trying to figure out how to do a ventilation for welding fumes, i.e. how to make sure its isolated towards the outside so I can open/close the vent only when I weld
[05:18:39] <XXCoder> can always do store entrance type
[05:20:04] <Jin^eLD> store entrance? you mean double-gate or hot air or what are you referring to?
[05:20:34] <XXCoder> double door type yeah
[05:20:39] <XXCoder> *gate
[05:20:42] <Jin^eLD> I don't have that much space there
[05:21:14] <Jin^eLD> so I was rather thinking of sticking something on the metal gates or foaming them or something like that
[05:22:00] <Jin^eLD> but since we're talking about workshops, how did you guys solve your weld-fumes ventilation?
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[05:22:06] <XXCoder> cheap way is freezer in reserant type plastic barrier
[05:22:10] <MarcelineVQ> working outside L>>
[05:22:11] <MarcelineVQ> :>
[05:22:20] <XXCoder> I solve it by not welding.
[05:22:36] <MarcelineVQ> I do get somewhat bothered when the wind blows away my shield-gas though <_<
[05:22:51] <Jin^eLD> MarcelineVQ: well, partially possible here, but MIG/MAG outside needs windstill conditions and is not that pleasant in winter or when it rains...
[05:23:03] <MarcelineVQ> I have a blanket I put up around the word hehe
[05:23:04] <MarcelineVQ> work
[05:23:54] <Jin^eLD> I bought ventilators that will be strong enough to suck out all the air out of the room within one minute (my nice now dry air!) but I need to figure out how to od the actual exhaust to the outside
[05:24:10] <Jin^eLD> so its not a permanently open hole
[05:24:14] <MarcelineVQ> Consider as well where the new air is coming from
[05:24:24] <Jin^eLD> I'll just have to open the gate
[05:24:46] <Jin^eLD> to allow incoming air
[05:25:01] <MarcelineVQ> is gate a term for garage door?
[05:25:12] <Jin^eLD> yes, garate door towards the inside of the building
[05:25:24] <Jin^eLD> basically its a big circle with garage boxes on the outer radius and nothing in the middle
[05:25:36] <Jin^eLD> each garage box has a 2m wide metal gate
[05:25:47] <Jin^eLD> a really weird building
[05:26:05] <Jin^eLD> and the boxes themselves are more like pizza slices, because the building is a big cylinder
[05:26:26] <Jin^eLD> so you have about 2m at the entrance and it gets wider towards the outer wall
[05:26:27] <XXCoder> isnt there just something like dryer air exit gate that closes when theres no air blowing?
[05:27:15] <MarcelineVQ> those are fairly common for dryers and kitchen hood vents but they're not especially insulating
[05:27:29] <Jin^eLD> I would hope so but so far I did only find some smaller things for useage in a bathroom in a flat or something
[05:27:36] <Jin^eLD> yes, exactly
[05:27:39] <Jin^eLD> they all are not insulated
[05:27:45] <Jin^eLD> and also too small for my ventilator
[05:27:49] <Jin^eLD> brb, courier
[05:28:39] <MarcelineVQ> A lot of people just have the kind that is a little hood, and a wire mesh on the inside to keep out vermin, it's possible there's not a lot of heat loss since there's not a lot of air exchange but idk
[05:31:57] <XXCoder> if theres gates on both ends there would be obly a little air movement
[05:32:23] <XXCoder> expecially if you design it so wind cant push cold air in, nor can increased cold air pressure push in much air
[05:38:50] <Jin^eLD> re
[05:38:55] <Jin^eLD> steadies for my lathe just arrived :^
[05:39:19] <MarcelineVQ> now you can cut your own leadscrews :D
[05:39:35] <XXCoder> :D
[05:39:58] <Jin^eLD> well, only shorter ones I guess? :) the main leadscrew is pretty long, I'd need a bigger lathe for that
[05:39:59] <MarcelineVQ> allthough I guess a follower is more the thing for that, oh well, plenty of work for a steady still
[05:40:30] <XXCoder> now, make a mill
[05:40:36] <MarcelineVQ> Jin^eLD: just make 3 and attach them together :>
[05:40:41] <XXCoder> make leadscrews you canb make one
[05:44:24] <Jin^eLD> :)
[05:45:00] <XXCoder> isnt aligning em very hard
[05:45:19] <MarcelineVQ> the first time, just gotta get a system down
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[06:10:59] <Jin^eLD> oh so attaching was not a joke? I thought you were making fun
[06:11:06] <Jin^eLD> :)
[06:11:58] <XXCoder> https://www.arttec.net very nice site. jthornton check it out
[06:19:34] <jthornton> morning
[06:20:02] <Tom_L> 41�F, Hi 39, Lo 29
[06:20:16] <Tom_L> right on the line of snow/rain
[06:21:21] <miss0r2> I just purchased the new Cat S61 phone. It better be as good as the S60! It was quite expensive
[06:22:32] <XXCoder> jthornton: what ya think of link lol
[06:22:36] <XXCoder> also, morning
[06:22:55] <miss0r2> if you want thermal camera build in, you don't have alot of choice when it comes to phones :) I bought the S60 because of the thermal camera - back then just because I thought it was sexy. Now I have come to rely on it :)
[06:22:58] <miss0r2> good morning XXCoder
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[06:23:20] <XXCoder> whats you use it for?
[06:23:48] <miss0r2> For trouble shooting. excellent for electrics and hydraulics
[06:24:27] <miss0r2> if a machine does something it is not supposed to do, I just look at the control cabinet with the thermal camera to see if any of the relays are giving off excess heat. I've fixed quite a few problems with that approach
[06:24:44] <XXCoder> nice!
[06:25:05] <miss0r2> but the S61 is almost 1100 usd
[06:25:09] <XXCoder> used is still very expensive
[06:25:27] <miss0r2> yeah. You can buy my S60 for a good price, if you are interrested. :)
[06:26:12] <miss0r2> Everything works on it, but it has ALOT of cosmetical wear. Also; theres a small metal mesh protecting the speaker & microphone on the front that is missing (The reason I'm replacing it). The metal chips need to be removed from that unprotected hole manually
[06:26:27] <miss0r2> I guess I've just had enough of removing small chips from in there
[06:26:34] <XXCoder> honestly few $100s is much for toy
[06:27:08] <miss0r2> Indeed. You can have it for $100 ;)
[06:27:12] <jthornton> he is into a lot of stuff
[06:27:52] <miss0r2> I'm thinking $100 is what it is worth to me having it laying around as a spare :) I wasn't realy planning on selling it
[06:28:30] <XXCoder> author of that site? looks like hes in lot of clean power and management. though getting bit dated now
[06:28:42] <XXCoder> his mower for example, is made over decade ago
[06:29:04] <miss0r2> I love green energy stuff / living off grid
[06:29:14] <XXCoder> you would love that site
[06:29:29] <XXCoder> solar power, solar heating, solar water heating, solar mower
[06:29:47] <XXCoder> just that stuff there might not be buyable, or better versions out now
[06:29:58] <jthornton> mower is cool
[06:30:39] <miss0r2> that is a pretty neat idea :)
[06:31:06] <XXCoder> oh he updated some of article. one page hgas 2016,m replacement of voltage screen
[06:31:13] <XXCoder> guess hes still using mower
[06:33:51] <XXCoder> 40 watts 1 to 2 days before mower is charged. bit slow but if small enough yuard it dont matter
[06:33:57] <XXCoder> or get larger one
[06:35:14] <XXCoder> honestly I'd just have house solar panels recharge it also. much faster
[06:37:10] <XXCoder> I wonder if lathinium ion would work better lol
[06:38:56] <jthornton> flashing the sd card now gave up trying to copy the old sd card darn it
[06:39:42] <miss0r2> I have 9.6kwh worth of batteries in the basement. It is primarily charged with my small windmill. At the moment it is only tied into the basement lighting & computer equipment. But I will hook it up to the rest of the house at some point :)
[06:40:07] <miss0r2> Basically using the battery power until it is used up, and goes back to the grid supply. (not a huge windmill)
[06:40:07] <XXCoder> nice. homebrew windmill or?
[06:40:18] <jthornton> nice, what kind of batteries?
[06:40:24] <miss0r2> I thought about it :) but the small marina windmills are just so cheap
[06:40:38] <XXCoder> there is ... interesting design for windmill. its basically looks like a pole but top is little but wider than bottom
[06:40:58] <XXCoder> it abuses certain fluid properity so it spins in wind. doesnt care what direction it is
[06:41:19] <miss0r2> I know those, but they have an issue :)
[06:41:30] <XXCoder> yeah?
[06:41:40] <miss0r2> as far as I know; noone has managed to make bearings that lasts in that setup
[06:41:43] <jthornton> that maine guy is dyslexic too
[06:41:48] <miss0r2> or rather a setup that does not kill the bearings
[06:41:58] <XXCoder> what if you make air bearings?
[06:42:31] <miss0r2> I'm not sure tou can do airbearings that can handle the stress. But perhaps? :)
[06:42:45] <miss0r2> tou = if you* :)
[06:43:02] <XXCoder> no idea honestly
[06:43:23] <miss0r2> problem is the radial stress on the design.
[06:43:43] <XXCoder> though I wonder if some kind of pressuried liquid used as "balls" for bearings would be possible
[06:43:49] <miss0r2> a big electrical company in Denmark made some tests with the design, but had to abbandon it again because of the bearing life
[06:44:11] <miss0r2> highpressure oil bearings are a thing
[06:44:13] <XXCoder> expecially if such fluid is simple like water, and not complex like oil which do wear down
[06:44:35] <XXCoder> thats too bad. I recall another kind that uses disc
[06:44:48] <XXCoder> bah! marina windmill dont work in google
[06:45:09] <XXCoder> aliexpress has em apparently
[06:45:15] <miss0r2> Indeed. you just need to consider the 3rd kind of force excertion on bearings 1st; radial 2nd; axial 3rd; off angle lever forcer
[06:45:35] <miss0r2> and oil bearings & air bearings are notoriously bad for the last one
[06:45:37] <XXCoder> ironic. https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:46:04] <miss0r2> wtf is that :D
[06:46:12] <XXCoder> solar powered windmill display
[06:46:24] <miss0r2> lol
[06:46:40] <XXCoder> kinda tempted for lols.
[06:46:58] <miss0r2> Theres a law in Denmark that allows you to install a windmill without a permit, if the wingspan is smaller than 1.13meters - provided it does not annoy people around you
[06:47:32] <miss0r2> so, I have one of those. It provides three phase 48volt ~2000watt at 12m/s wind
[06:47:41] <XXCoder> 600w I wonder how much of house power it would cover for me
[06:47:57] <miss0r2> you'd need a battery bank
[06:48:06] <XXCoder> this location isnt "remote" of any kind so I doubt is usable lol
[06:48:12] <miss0r2> unless you want your light to dim up and down following the wind :D
[06:48:27] <XXCoder> it'd be rgeat for cutting some big power usage like AC or heater
[06:48:46] <miss0r2> Yeah
[06:48:56] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:49:15] <miss0r2> I thought about installing an electric water heater as well. so dump the windmill power into that when the batteries are charged
[06:49:16] <XXCoder> that is quite small
[06:49:27] <XXCoder> is your region sunny a lot?
[06:49:30] <miss0r2> that looks ALOT like mine
[06:49:40] <XXCoder> how much did you pay for yours?
[06:49:42] <miss0r2> no, this is Denmark :)
[06:49:51] <miss0r2> 1500 usd IIRC
[06:50:02] <XXCoder> wow. aliexpress one is dirt cheap
[06:50:04] <miss0r2> but mine is a 2kw
[06:50:07] <XXCoder> probably brick in box
[06:50:10] <XXCoder> ah 2kw
[06:50:26] <XXCoder> one I linked is 300mm blade
[06:50:30] <XXCoder> or 600mm
[06:50:42] <XXCoder> yep 600
[06:50:46] <miss0r2> mine is 1013mm
[06:51:11] <miss0r2> Theres ofcourse a market in denmark for the 1013mm ones, as they comply with local law :D
[06:51:21] <XXCoder> lol https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:51:38] <miss0r2> lol
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[06:52:41] <XXCoder> most expensive https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:53:07] <miss0r2> yeah - that is slightly larger than mine :D
[06:53:20] <XXCoder> indeed. jthornton you can use that one im pretty sure. lol
[06:53:29] <XXCoder> power everything at your region
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[06:54:26] <XXCoder> 2k w one https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:54:47] <jthornton> nice big one
[06:54:59] <miss0r2> interresting
[06:55:06] <miss0r2> that can do the same at "only" 9m/s
[06:55:11] <XXCoder> 20kw that one. can power basically everything you own, at same tinme
[06:55:13] <miss0r2> mine needs 12m/s
[06:55:23] <miss0r2> XXCoder: provided its windy ;)
[06:55:30] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:55:51] <XXCoder> washington here its windy often
[06:56:31] <miss0r2> I live right next to a large field area. so I always have wind comming in from the same direction :)
[06:56:41] <miss0r2> and the horses are not offended by my windmill :D
[06:57:24] <XXCoder> cheapest https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:57:26] <XXCoder> 300w
[06:57:34] <XXCoder> wait no 200w
[06:57:56] <miss0r2> one thing to consider when getting a windmill; you also need a MPPT unit
[06:58:28] <XXCoder> https://www.aliexpress.com
[06:58:32] <XXCoder> whole kit looks like
[06:58:46] <XXCoder> 600w windmill, 1400w mppt
[06:58:51] <XXCoder> can have 2 windmills
[06:58:55] <miss0r2> indeed
[06:59:07] <miss0r2> So, instead of that dump resistor there, I was planning to use a water heater
[06:59:48] <XXCoder> mppt converts it to house usable power?
[07:00:02] <miss0r2> no
[07:00:14] <miss0r2> well, you can probally find one that can
[07:00:25] <miss0r2> But regularly they are for charging to a battery bank
[07:00:32] <miss0r2> You'll also need an inverter
[07:00:57] <XXCoder> interesting. one I linked to is wind power and solar, 800 max foir wind, 600w max for solar
[07:00:59] <miss0r2> I rebuild an old 5kw UPS
[07:01:15] <jthornton> what voltage does your battery bank use?
[07:01:21] <miss0r2> 48 volts
[07:01:41] <miss0r2> not rebuild, rather retrofitted it
[07:02:04] <miss0r2> an UPS outputs some realy nice sin wave, compared to your garden vareity converter
[07:02:35] <rmu> mppt for on-demand inverter use doesn't make much sense IMHO
[07:03:13] <miss0r2> rmu: You are right. you need a buffer in the middle; like a battery bank :)
[07:04:13] <miss0r2> there are some ready made units that can handle all of it; take in windmill output, charge batteries, change over when batteries are charged/discharged ect. But those units are pretty expensive
[07:06:33] <XXCoder> definitely cool. just not sure if I will ever try solar power or wind power lol
[07:06:40] <XXCoder> besides that toy one lol
[07:06:46] <miss0r2> hehe
[07:06:57] <miss0r2> It takes alot of work to tie it into the electrical installation
[07:07:20] <XXCoder> buy 10 of those toys, plant it somewhere and it will always solar
[07:07:25] <XXCoder> *light up
[07:07:34] <rmu> hmm. depends. there are units with mains plug, just plug them in, and they feed back power into the grid
[07:07:38] <XXCoder> as a evil bonus: make it a blinking led.
[07:07:51] <XXCoder> so it could get wind only once a while but can blink for years
[07:08:57] <miss0r2> rmu: Depending on where you live, you need a special aproval for that. plus; if your power meter is not build for it, you are just giving away all the power you cannot use yourself. I don't have a special deal, so I have to make do
[07:09:40] <XXCoder> honestly if you do nothing but just heat water with solars, you will have massive power savings anyway
[07:09:50] <XXCoder> heating water is expensive
[07:09:50] <rmu> miss0r2: i think in theory it should be possible in whole EU, given your power meter does "count backwards". but you are limited to 1kW or so
[07:10:12] <miss0r2> Indeed :)
[07:10:55] <XXCoder> https://www.instructables.com convert solar wind toy to this
[07:11:07] <XXCoder> it'd be literal immortal blinking led.
[07:11:12] <Jin^eLD> isn't it still the case that the panels are so expensive that you need 10+ years to break even?
[07:11:37] <XXCoder> jin solars has been getting real cheap but not sure on breakeven level
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[07:12:10] <Jin^eLD> if you do it just to get off the grid somewhere remotely - that's another reason, but if its about savings then the breaking-even point is important
[07:13:23] <miss0r2> With my windmill setup, I broke even after 2.5 years
[07:13:37] <miss0r2> I did alot of the parts myself, which helps :)
[07:13:46] <miss0r2> but I think a good setup is around 4 years
[07:13:52] <XXCoder> not bad. yeah
[07:13:55] <Jin^eLD> thats nice
[07:14:06] <XXCoder> how much watts do water heater use anyway
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[07:14:35] <Jin^eLD> if I wanted to save $$ I'd need to install an oven that works with old motor oil (have enough of that due to my car), but I don't want to have any open fire in the shed (except for torch welding)
[07:15:03] <Jin^eLD> they sell those ready-to use ovens in Poland I think
[07:15:10] <Jin^eLD> not really legal of course :)
[07:15:39] <miss0r2> XXCoder: They come in all sizes
[07:15:58] <XXCoder> lol ok
[07:16:08] <gregcnc> burning oil isn't legal?
[07:16:11] <rmu> last i looked solar panels (incl. inverter) were about 1€/Wp or less. at a price of 0,2€/kWh you need to run the panels 5000 hours at peak power to get back the investment. in 5-10 years it should be possible to break even. useful life of new panels is >10years.
[07:16:19] <XXCoder> gregcnc: depends on where
[07:16:20] <Jin^eLD> gregcnc: burning old motor oil is not :)
[07:16:33] <Jin^eLD> at least in the EU
[07:16:47] <XXCoder> I wonder if solar panels is refabishable
[07:16:48] <gregcnc> the local highway dept does it here
[07:17:15] <XXCoder> save it for kiln Jin^eLD
[07:17:32] <XXCoder> myfordboy made one that uses used oil
[07:17:32] <Jin^eLD> kiln?
[07:17:40] <XXCoder> err furance. to melt metal
[07:17:50] <Jin^eLD> oh
[07:17:56] <Jin^eLD> yes, a friend of mine has that
[07:18:08] <Jin^eLD> but we end up with too much oil, he does not melt metal that often
[07:18:32] <Jin^eLD> and then again I would not want to do that inside my workshop and since its in the city I am not sure if I could fire that thing up in front of the building ;)
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[07:18:59] <XXCoder> part 2 https://www.youtube.com
[07:19:20] <XXCoder> cant do it here also. middle of tacoma lol
[07:20:08] <Jin^eLD> whe have another friend who lives in a village and has a lot isolated space, so when we need to melt something we go there :)
[07:20:25] <miss0r2> I have a backyard :D
[07:22:24] <Jin^eLD> I was thinking about moving out of the city, but I dont think I'm ready for that, too used to comfort of not having to plan how much food to buy
[07:22:31] <Jin^eLD> take care of the house
[07:22:32] <Jin^eLD> etc
[07:22:43] <Jin^eLD> flat in the city is just more convenient somehow...
[07:23:23] <Jin^eLD> and then my wife would have troubles getting to work/university
[07:23:44] <Jin^eLD> but possibilities in terms of workshop/space would of course be really a lot better
[07:24:51] <XXCoder> I would like to try casting metal, but not alum but much lower temp metals
[07:25:07] <XXCoder> ones I can cast in wood and melt using steel bowl and regular heater
[07:30:05] <XXCoder> no worries about city laws with those. can wood + cnc router = fun cast molds
[07:30:33] <Jin^eLD> I think he tried cast iron with medium results and we did some aluminum hammers for sheet metal work
[07:31:13] <gloops> not sure how hot those gas fired mobile blacksmiths forges get, must be enough to get iron yellow, probably melt ally in that
[07:31:15] <Jin^eLD> and we also tried making molds by burning out 3D printed plastic
[07:31:44] <Jin^eLD> which actually worked pretty good, you could even see the structure from the 3D print on the aluminum
[07:33:23] <Jin^eLD> only issue was that the plaster where I put the plastic models in was not dry enough so it cracked a bit when burning out the plastic
[07:38:20] <XXCoder> jin saw some cool 3d print cast stuff yeah
[07:38:29] <XXCoder> want to try it but cant melt alum here
[07:38:51] <XXCoder> alum melt at 660c
[07:39:38] <XXCoder> im considering field metal for example. THAT melts at 70f. well above room temperarte but easy to melt
[07:41:24] <Jin^eLD> need to google up on "field metal", not sure I am familiar with the term
[07:42:18] <XXCoder> its safe metals alloys that have quite low melt temperate of 70f
[07:42:30] <XXCoder> looks like dull metal
[07:43:06] <Jin^eLD> but afterwards? what can you use them for?
[07:43:17] <Jin^eLD> i.e. in terms of strength/durability?
[07:43:36] <gregcnc> they are soft
[07:43:49] <XXCoder> yeah just for casting fun
[07:43:53] <XXCoder> different stuff
[07:44:07] <XXCoder> cast statue of some kind, later melt again for something else
[07:44:20] <XXCoder> something to do with cnc router besides just engraving
[07:44:41] <gregcnc> they have many uses. though i dont' think any melt at 70°F
[07:45:14] <XXCoder> fields metal does.
[07:45:15] <gregcnc> https://www.belmontmetals.com
[07:45:36] <XXCoder> dammit I meant 70c but yes
[07:45:38] <XXCoder> lol
[07:46:18] <gregcnc> sometimes poured into tubes to aid bending
[07:46:18] <XXCoder> 70f would be useless even for my idea of fun casting. it would melt in sumemrs
[07:47:25] <XXCoder> "cake" sized is 43 dollars
[07:47:32] <XXCoder> but I cant visualize what size it is
[07:47:48] <XXCoder> one cake is 2.5lb for 70c melt one
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[07:48:24] <XXCoder> 170c can simple electric heater melt that?>
[07:48:46] <gregcnc> electric solder pot
[08:18:41] <jthornton> gotta roll up the garden hoses today for sure...
[08:22:26] <XXCoder> good idea. should do it here also. nights is at high 30s f'
[08:22:29] <XXCoder> night
[08:22:39] <jthornton> night
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[10:56:08] <gloops> dovetails finally
[10:56:21] <gloops> https://ibb.co
[10:57:00] <{HD}> Neat! Making drawers?
[10:57:04] <gloops> https://ibb.co
[10:57:17] <gloops> a blind man on a lame horse wouldnt see much wrong with those
[10:57:41] <gloops> just perfecting a vertical cutting method for them <{HD}>
[10:57:54] <gloops> boxes drawers, yeah handy for that kind of stuff
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[11:11:14] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com yes im going to look at the noisy pulley
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[11:31:34] <SaldoT> Hi. How do i go about troubleshooting QtQuickVcp/Cetus? Trying to install and configure it. Really easy it seems. Git clone and then - configserver -n 'My Machine' ~/Cetus
[11:31:47] <SaldoT> But nothing happens in the console after the last command.
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[12:30:21] <fragalot> hi
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[12:51:15] <gloops> look on my cnc dovetails fragalot and despair https://ibb.co https://ibb.co
[12:56:26] <fragalot> i've always found them harder to do in pine than in hardwoods
[12:56:56] <gloops> oh yeah, its only test wood
[13:03:22] <gloops> nothing like a cnc cutting dovetails vid on facebook to upset the traditionalists though lol
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[13:34:43] <SpeedEvil> gloops: add a variance for 'that hand-cut look at a hundred dovetails a minute'
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[13:36:09] <gloops> yeah it wants that to achieve a 'cant believe its not hand-cut' look, it was just the first test
[13:37:22] <gloops> makes a very firm strong joint actually, better than leigh jig dovetails
[13:39:37] <{HD}> What does “DU” mean printed on a sealed bearing?
[13:39:48] <{HD}> 6202-625 6202DU
[13:40:08] <FinboySlick> gloops: Do you use a tapered endmill for the 'female' part?
[13:40:48] <gloops> Finboyslick no a straight endmill, board is held vertically
[13:41:03] <gloops> hence no fillets
[13:41:19] <FinboySlick> gloops: Well, that works for the 'big' ones. I'm not sure how you do the small ones.
[13:42:56] <FinboySlick> There's probably just something my battered brain is missing.
[13:43:16] <jthornton> {HD}: 6202 is the bearing size what comes after that is usually in indication of the shield(s)/seal(s) configuration
[13:43:50] <gloops> https://ibb.co
[13:44:35] <FinboySlick> gloops: Yes, those are obvious. It's the part that meshes into that that makes me curious.
[13:44:39] <{HD}> jthornton: does 6202 represent a physical size or just a part number?
[13:44:54] <jthornton> it's a standard size
[13:44:58] <jthornton> google it
[13:45:39] <gloops> this is the toolpaths https://ibb.co
[13:45:53] <gloops> oh the tails - thats a dovetail cutter straight through
[13:46:10] <FinboySlick> OK.
[13:46:33] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com
[13:47:22] <FinboySlick> 'get in there'.
[13:47:24] <FinboySlick> Hehe.
[13:48:43] <gloops> well, its got to be one pass lol
[13:48:57] <gloops> pretty slow code there that can be much more efficient
[13:50:13] <gloops> can also stack the boards and do 4 at once
[13:51:32] <{HD}> You could get a degree in “bearings“
[13:54:27] <FinboySlick> gloops: That a dual motor gantry?
[13:55:39] <miss0r|office> do any of you people have experience with keyence PLCs? I'm looking for the correct software to edit the program on a KV-10RW - I have ordered the cable, that was easy enough to find, but I can't even figure out what the software is called. Would any of you guys know?
[13:56:48] <JT-Shop> I've never had the pleasure of programming a keyence plc sorry
[13:58:23] <miss0r|office> I don't know if it is a pleasure, because neither have I.
[13:58:24] <miss0r|office> :)
[13:58:45] <JT-Shop> no keyence reps in your area?
[14:00:28] <miss0r|office> no official ones
[14:04:03] <JT-Shop> https://www.keyence.com
[14:05:03] <JT-Shop> hmm seems to be a bunch of dead ends lol
[14:05:15] <miss0r|office> Yeah. But it is discontinued, and the software download one just says "sorry, no results were found."
[14:06:17] <miss0r|office> I think I struck gold: https://www.reddit.com
[14:06:28] <miss0r|office> But it would seem I *NEED* a 32bit pc to run it :]
[14:07:26] * JT-Shop still has his windblows xp laptop for old shit
[14:07:51] * miss0r|office looks at a pile of old laptops.
[14:07:56] <miss0r|office> I have no idea what you are talking about
[14:08:22] <JT-Shop> my old laptop has windows xp 32bit
[14:08:40] <miss0r|office> hehe. I have one running dos 6.22 :)
[14:08:47] <JT-Shop> and some old programs will only run on 32bit so I keep it around for that
[14:08:47] <miss0r|office> not that it will help me in this case.
[14:08:56] <miss0r|office> Indeed.
[14:09:24] <JT-Shop> yea something between dos and win 10 lol
[14:10:22] * fragalot returns
[14:13:48] <fragalot> miss0r|office: just run it in wine. it's going to be fine.
[14:14:27] <gloops> FinboySlick yeah 2 motors on the X, nothing elaborate just some chinese steppers
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[16:15:09] <Deejay> gn8
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[16:29:45] <SaldoT> Good evening. Installed machinekit without gui, console only. Plan is to run gui using the machinekit app. How can i ensure machinekit is running and working?
[16:30:08] <SaldoT> Since i cant get QtQuickVcp/cetus to work yet
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[16:33:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.leadshine.com
[16:34:26] <CaptHindsight> anyone recall what the IO outputs do during power-up or when powered and the LPT port in the PC is being powered up and initialized?
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[16:40:54] <jdh> sometimes, mine bounce on boot
[16:42:28] <CaptHindsight> I recall similar
[16:43:06] <CaptHindsight> had a led on an Output, it would turn on for second or so when something powered up
[16:43:23] <jdh> yeah. my spindle would spin
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[16:43:44] <XXCoder> wonder if its best to turn pc on, then rest of cnc system?
[16:43:58] <CaptHindsight> was out in the field so I think we just kept the power off to the MX3660 until LCNC was running
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[16:44:31] <jdh> yeah. my spindle control was just a ssr controlled ac outlet
[16:44:46] <CaptHindsight> OK wonderful
[16:44:50] <CaptHindsight> have to add more relays
[16:46:04] <CaptHindsight> it has that watchdog charge pump
[16:46:35] <CaptHindsight> guess that could be used IF it keeps the outputs OFF until it gets the signal
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[17:17:52] <Blumax> Hello
[17:18:22] <Blumax> gloops, JT-Shop, result of my probe panel
[17:18:23] <Blumax> https://farm5.staticflickr.com
[17:19:10] <Blumax> It is a script that I adapted to my needs, I still have to standardize the icons.
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[17:29:26] <gloops> hey very good Blumax
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[17:50:19] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com
[17:56:18] <JT-Shop> Blumax: looking good
[17:56:40] <Tom_L> sleet off n on today
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[18:05:14] <jthornton> we are showing showers tonight here
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[18:21:54] <jthornton> hmm found an interesting article on GPIO inputs for the RPi
[18:28:05] <pcw_mesa> no rain in sight here ( last rain was maybe May? )
[18:32:15] <gloops> its started raining here again now, proper rain
[18:32:16] <jthornton> wow that's pretty dry
[18:32:28] <jthornton> winter mix for Monday night
[18:32:49] <Tom_L> 34�
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[18:34:29] <pcw_mesa> 18000 acre wild fire in Butte county still warm and dry...
[18:36:11] <gloops> we had virtually 0 rain until september, last couple of weeks have been back to normal - like 6 hours a day
[18:37:38] <pcw_mesa> fairly warm here , have cucumbers growing in our garden
[18:40:03] <jthornton> we had a frost a while back that killed the tomatoes and cucumbers but the strawberries keep on truckin
[18:40:31] <tiwake> gloops: where is here?
[18:40:53] <gloops> same here jthornton, red hot summer, and yet, exceptionally early first frosts
[18:41:00] <gloops> strange weather year
[18:41:18] <gloops> tiwake UK - yorkshire
[18:42:45] <gloops> i got used to the dry weather, left a load of stuff outside that normally wouldnt be...
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[18:53:02] <CaptHindsight> get ready for those UK snowstorms again this winter
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[18:55:52] <gloops> im ready for anything, im a viking like jean paul sigmarsson
[18:56:45] <CaptHindsight> a Viking named Jean?
[18:57:04] * gloops puts his comfie-toes thermal socks on the radiator
[18:57:32] <CaptHindsight> I smell something burning, like wax
[18:57:56] <gloops> yeah Jean is like John which means hard as crucible steel with wolfs fangs
[18:58:22] <CaptHindsight> Larry, now there's a Viking name
[18:58:33] <CaptHindsight> strong yet friendly
[18:58:57] <gloops> hmm, well you dont want to know the most popular boys name in the nordic lands today
[18:59:46] <gloops> very un-christian
[19:00:50] <CaptHindsight> hhmmm Mohammad?
[19:01:08] <gloops> there is an M in it yes
[19:02:05] <CaptHindsight> Magnus
[19:02:43] <CaptHindsight> Ragnar, now there's a name you don't hear much around these parts
[19:03:58] <gloops> name popularity comes and goes, Arthur was popular when i was little, and Albert
[19:04:22] <gloops> no doubt Ragnar will trendy again sometime soon
[19:04:35] <gloops> be
[19:06:22] <gloops> AlvildaBattle of elves has been a long time coming round though
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[19:39:32] <andypugh> “Andrew” was hugely popular when I was born. 4 others in my class at school, 6 of us in the fire engine club at college.
[19:39:53] <andypugh> And I even found another Andy Pugh.
[19:40:06] <roycroft> it will be st. andrew's day soon
[19:40:08] <roycroft> end of the month
[19:40:25] <CaptHindsight> any relation?
[19:40:45] <andypugh> https://www.linkedin.com
[19:40:58] <andypugh> One very significant difference from me
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[22:07:13] <MarcelineVQ> andypugh: your silver hair is natural?
[22:12:25] <skunkworks> i was the only sam in my class.. more popular now
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