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[02:20:12] <miss0r> goodmorning
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[02:43:50] <jesseg> hrm.. How hard is it to get an A4988 stepper driver chip working...?
[02:44:16] <jesseg> I'm not getting any discernible current to the motor.
[02:47:09] <Loetmichel> ... and thats why i like the TB6560 despite the flaws they have... you can get them working very easily and with next to none external components.
[02:48:31] <jesseg> Loetmichel, I got these: https://www.ebay.com
[02:48:41] <jesseg> oh sorry for the extra URL junk
[02:48:59] <jesseg> in theory It should be very easy
[02:49:06] <Loetmichel> i know the a4988
[02:49:38] <Loetmichel> and the popolu modules
[02:49:45] <Loetmichel> i have a few 3dprinters myself
[02:50:28] <jesseg> Is it more complex than just setting the correct levels on the control pins then toggling the step and dir?
[02:50:47] <Loetmichel> they are pretty easy. but even more "mimosa" than the TB6560 IMHO
[02:50:58] <Loetmichel> one loud cough and they die.
[02:51:06] <Loetmichel> just IMHO though
[02:51:23] <Loetmichel> dont forget to adjust the current pot!
[02:51:32] <jesseg> it's set midrange
[02:51:44] <Loetmichel> then you should at lest get SOME current
[02:52:02] <Loetmichel> if not you are missing something or the chips are already dead (ESD?)
[02:53:28] <jesseg> it's possible the two I've tried so far are already dead - it was 5 for $8 delivered lol
[02:53:41] <jesseg> obviously right out of china
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[03:16:02] <Loetmichel> :-)
[03:19:14] <miss0r> I have a steak in the sous vide, since last night - i will treat myself to a nice lunch today ;D
[03:22:03] <jesseg> Well they helped me in #reprap. Seems these little boards had a bad run and the components aren't entirely soldered down. And I looked and sure enough mine all have resistors who are soldered on one end only and even the main IC has some pins that didn't reflow.
[03:22:35] <jesseg> so I've submitted a request for a return/refund.
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[03:28:32] <miss0r> jesseg: Good catch
[03:30:10] <jesseg> I suppose I could try putting in some solder paste and tip-drag reflowing the IC
[03:30:17] <jesseg> but I'll see what the seller says
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[03:37:20] <miss0r> or you could bake it? :)
[03:37:49] <miss0r> I have managed to sucessfully do so on the graphics card from a laptop. It has now been working for ~5 years
[03:40:34] <jesseg> There's just extremely little or no solder on the pads that got missed.
[03:40:59] <jesseg> it's like the solder paste stencil had a clogged hole
[03:42:14] <jesseg> so I don't think baking it would really help. I suspect the graphics cards probably had solder in there but it had fractured due to thermal cycling. (I have heard of baking graphics boards.)
[03:46:19] <Loetmichel> jesseg: depends
[03:47:02] <Loetmichel> the leadfree solder usually melts at above 260°C... if you have an oven that can reach that high it might work
[03:47:38] <Loetmichel> but it will probably damage any plastic part and electrolytic on that board because the oven is to slow ramping up and down
[03:48:02] <Loetmichel> reflow needs a pretty precise temperature profile to work without destroying the components
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[03:48:48] <Loetmichel> but the A4988 chip is pretty small
[03:49:15] <Loetmichel> just desolder it completely with hot air, reball wit lead solder, then solder it in again
[03:50:30] <jesseg> Loetmichel, yeah I may try that. I do have a dinky little hot air reflow station
[03:50:41] <jesseg> well I'm off. Good night folks.
[03:50:57] <Deejay> moin
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[05:06:57] <rmu> Loetmichel: why not preheat the oven, then ramp up should be fast enough.
[05:44:59] <XXCoder> insanity is back https://www.vox.com
[05:45:09] <XXCoder> first, weird kids channels and now this
[05:55:23] <jthornton> morning
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[05:55:48] <XXCoder> back to bed I guess lol
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[05:56:13] <XXCoder> wanted a few extra seconds nap eh ;)
[06:03:46] <jthornton> got a little sprinkle of snow last night
[06:04:24] <XXCoder> cool. hjere its very typical fall. 50f and very light rain
[06:04:31] <XXCoder> late fall that is
[06:04:54] <jthornton> tonight gets down to 20°F yikes
[06:04:57] <XXCoder> looks like might drop on saturaday to high 30s as low
[06:05:27] <jthornton> I need to get those wind blocks built and installed today
[06:05:41] <XXCoder> whats good way to weatherize windows?
[06:05:52] <XXCoder> I can feel steady small amount of cold from wundow to my back
[06:06:59] <jthornton> get a 2" slab of pink foam and use a blanket to make a gasket for a tight fit
[06:07:22] <jthornton> no light so you can sleep during the day and insulation for cold
[06:07:26] <XXCoder> that would cause massive mold
[06:07:37] <jthornton> why
[06:08:22] <XXCoder> its always wet on window if it was sealed in, thats why my curtains is carefully set to have gap at top and large cardboard sheet on front of it to blockk most light
[06:08:26] <XXCoder> not sure why
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[06:10:53] <XXCoder> my room tend to have fairly high humidity unfortunately, up tp 70%
[06:11:00] <XXCoder> right now its pretty low at 52% tho
[06:11:18] <jthornton> because they windows are cooler than the room, can you fit a storm window on the outside?
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[06:11:56] <XXCoder> hmm will have to look outside later
[06:12:06] <XXCoder> little bit late to go out and look lol
[06:12:20] <jthornton> or early
[06:12:29] <Tom_L> 13F, Hi 34
[06:12:30] <Tom_L> brrr
[06:12:31] <XXCoder> yeah bit amgious at this time lol
[06:14:51] <jthornton> at least the weather is looking a bit better for Eureka Springs for the weekend
[06:15:22] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com
[06:15:45] <jthornton> I wonder if that is worth trying for the Raspberry Pi???
[06:16:05] <XXCoder> dunno, its no blueberry keyboard thats for sure
[06:16:22] <jthornton> blueberry keyboard?
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[06:16:26] <XXCoder> if you want to make one, grab a err blackberry keyboard (not blue lol)
[06:17:01] <XXCoder> https://www.amazon.com
[06:17:17] <XXCoder> blackberry knows how to make micro keyboard. that one doesnt
[06:17:19] <jthornton> I'm thinking of having that in the coop as a way to interact when not using the touch screen
[06:18:02] <XXCoder> this is even better version https://www.amazon.com
[06:18:22] <XXCoder> trust me, im former blackberry user, for 5 years
[06:19:06] <jthornton> yea but that looks like it's for a phone and there is no case...
[06:19:25] <XXCoder> yeah though I bet you that all you need is to power it and figure pinouts
[06:19:44] <jthornton> much easier to just plug one in lol
[06:19:47] <XXCoder> oh THAT one is just cover no circuits
[06:21:20] <XXCoder> but yeah I wish someone would make portable keyboard using blackberry keyboard type
[06:21:31] <XXCoder> because nothing else have even remotely touched that.
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[06:54:06] <Loetmichel> rmu: usual european ovens only go to 250°C
[06:54:22] <Loetmichel> and have way to much volume to reflow, they are simply to slow
[06:55:12] <Loetmichel> i have seen (and used) small pizza ovens that work with infrared heat (no circulating fan)... in conjunction with a controller with thermopcouple they work pretty well for reflow
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[07:22:43] <miss0r> This chinesium endmill is impressing me. 47mm DOC. 2mm WOC. 500mm/min feed at 3000rpm. Cutting aluminium with flood coolant. Doesn't even flinch
[07:26:51] <XXCoder> nice
[07:28:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com ptretty cool
[07:28:39] <XXCoder> its captioned
[07:29:08] <XXCoder> vise loks like its been underwater for years
[07:31:43] <miss0r> It seems the video is Danish.. Finaly something I understand :)
[07:32:00] <XXCoder> cool so you can read youtube captions as well as listen to it lol
[07:32:11] <XXCoder> thankfully he added english captions overlay so i can understand
[07:33:41] <XXCoder> made in usa lol
[07:33:45] <XXCoder> the poilstone
[07:36:20] <XXCoder> interesting using alum tape tp protect clean surfaces for sandblast
[07:37:03] <tiwake> XXCoder: ducktape works well too
[07:37:12] <miss0r> Indeed. I can only watch it in 30sec increments. I am running a prototype on the mill at the moment
[07:37:40] <XXCoder> cool
[07:37:53] <XXCoder> is it same one you had tram issues on?
[07:38:34] <miss0r> Yeah
[07:39:02] <miss0r> The second issue is that my coolant pump is not quite up to the task of removing the chips good enough, so I have to blast it ever so often
[07:39:08] <miss0r> I have alot of plans that need be done soon :)
[07:40:52] <miss0r> Also; chip pan needs to be emptied before the next operation: https://imgur.com
[07:40:53] <miss0r> hehe
[07:41:05] <XXCoder> fun
[07:41:46] <miss0r> meh... Those chips I'm making at the moment is just alot of fluff
[07:42:02] <miss0r> It fills the alu container, but weighs close to nothing. Bad for economy :)
[07:43:07] <XXCoder> man that vise looks awesome afterwards
[07:43:07] <sync> miss0r: a friend of mine always says under 100 bars of TSC is not worth it
[07:44:04] <miss0r> sync: haha, I hear'ya. the pressure from mine looks like a broken down water tap. The kind where you'd think, the filter needs cleaning
[07:45:00] <XXCoder> miss0r: maybe that channel is brand new one
[07:45:07] <XXCoder> very nice restorations'
[07:45:17] <XXCoder> watching spiral jack now
[07:46:52] <miss0r> No spoilers! :) I *JUST* saw him get the moveable jaw off
[07:47:28] <XXCoder> all I said is result is very nice. :) anyway he posted only 6 videos yeah looks like new channel. nice! subbed and belled
[07:47:44] <miss0r> :]
[07:48:55] <XXCoder> i like his wash station
[07:49:11] <miss0r> Looking forward to seeing if it is like mine
[07:50:05] <miss0r> That is quite small
[07:50:09] <miss0r> the washing station
[07:56:26] <miss0r> This guy has a pretty decent assortment of rotating wire brushes :)
[07:57:21] <miss0r> One thing I've never understood, and probably never will: people chamfering *AFTER* threading
[07:57:36] <XXCoder> was wondering
[07:58:12] <miss0r> I've even seen abom74 do it a bunch of times
[07:58:24] <miss0r> or is it 79? I can't remember :)
[07:59:13] <XXCoder> he certainly dont stint on grease
[08:01:16] <XXCoder> looks like video each couple weeks or so. not too often but not super rare
[08:01:38] <miss0r> I wonder where he is located. :) He does nice work.
[08:02:01] <XXCoder> is he locayed in same place as your home, ie: you? ;)
[08:02:32] <miss0r> nah.. :) I don't like to file as much as he does :D
[08:02:37] <XXCoder> lol
[08:02:56] <miss0r> but I must admit, I do enjoy the odd restoration job
[08:03:45] <Loetmichel> miss0r: which tool diameter?
[08:03:54] <Loetmichel> for 47mm doc and 2mm woc?
[08:03:58] <miss0r> Loetmichel: It was a 12mm tool
[08:04:02] <Loetmichel> and wich rpm?
[08:04:06] <miss0r> 3000
[08:04:09] <Loetmichel> nice
[08:04:22] <miss0r> Yeah, it just chewed on and on :)
[08:04:24] <XXCoder> im now watching tyre inflator. wow its been... fixed before
[08:05:01] * Loetmichel usually does 2mm 2 flute with 24krpm, 0,15mm doc (plunge cut) and F1200 :-)
[08:05:24] <miss0r> Yeah... I would love to do stuff like that, but I am limited at 4krpm for the time being
[08:05:28] <Loetmichel> but not because the tool cant stand more, the 604 isnt rigid enough to go deeper in one pass
[08:05:36] <Loetmichel> 6040
[08:06:00] <miss0r> I have all the rigidity in the world, just not alot of RPMs
[08:06:06] <XXCoder> oh he got a mill also
[08:06:22] <miss0r> yeah :D
[08:06:36] <miss0r> looks like a bridgeport style knee mill
[08:06:52] * Loetmichel once had a big router that could do 4mm doc with a 2mm 2 flute in alMg3 at 1500mm/s .... that was BAAAD
[08:07:13] <Loetmichel> you couldnt avoid getting sprayed in alu swarf ;)
[08:07:16] <miss0r> hah... I've seen a few of his videos before, not realizing he is danish, I saw the jack one some time ago
[08:07:39] <miss0r> This is why I build an enclosure for my mill :)
[08:07:45] <Loetmichel> ah sorry, 3mm 2 flute
[08:08:08] <miss0r> I only realy run 4+ flues around here
[08:08:14] <miss0r> Not ideal for alu, but it works just fine
[08:08:22] <Loetmichel> wouldnt work well for so small
[08:08:31] <Loetmichel> especially not at those speeds
[08:08:33] <miss0r> as I don't have alot of RPMs, I need more flutes :)
[08:08:47] <Loetmichel> you need the room in the tool to get that amount of swarf out
[08:09:23] <Loetmichel> usually took a few months then i had to replace the flexible vacuum hose
[08:09:28] <Loetmichel> holes in every corner
[08:09:35] <Loetmichel> like sandblasted von the inside
[08:10:02] <miss0r> hehe
[08:10:13] <miss0r> I just let them drop to the chip pan, and shovel them out.
[08:10:27] <miss0r> I'm glad I have the enclosure. Using the facemill REALY throws the chips hard
[08:11:29] <sync> miss0r: you need moar rpm
[08:11:40] <miss0r> sync: Don't I know it.
[08:12:14] <miss0r> I've been looking at those 1:5 speeder heads.. But those things are ridiculously expensive
[08:13:12] <miss0r> XXCoder: I love how he uses a fork to remove the indicator needle from the meter
[08:13:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:14:33] <miss0r> my idea that is was a bridgeport clone is off. It actualy looks like an early maho
[08:17:59] <miss0r> lol. That glass he is replacing the old stuff with. I thought it was real glass for a sec :D
[08:18:09] <XXCoder> me too
[08:18:21] <XXCoder> "oh crap hes grinding glass?
[08:18:23] <miss0r> the grinder gave it away :D
[08:18:32] <miss0r> yeah.. but the lathe made me sure that it wasn't
[08:18:34] <XXCoder> what gave it away is lathe for me
[08:18:52] <XXCoder> LOL the plastic handle restore
[08:19:10] <miss0r> Haven't gotten there yet...
[08:19:20] <XXCoder> thats why I didnt detail why
[08:19:42] <miss0r> damn he has some serious equipment
[08:19:53] <miss0r> that overlay inking etc.
[08:19:59] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:21:59] <miss0r> either he is very young and attends a school with all of that equipment, or he has a company, would be my guess
[08:25:33] <XXCoder> did you see the handle part?
[08:25:45] <miss0r> just did. That is neat
[08:25:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:25:57] <XXCoder> well time to sleep later
[08:26:03] <miss0r> later
[08:26:34] <XXCoder> interesting how more usage of pins that is hammered to lock in place was back then
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[08:26:38] <XXCoder> makes stuff harder to fix
[08:26:51] <XXCoder> anyway later
[08:27:17] <sync> miss0r: grinding glass is quite common tho
[08:27:34] <miss0r> :)
[08:27:41] <miss0r> sure.. but on a belt sander in an open room?
[08:27:46] <miss0r> I better hope not
[08:28:19] <Loetmichel> *COUGH* *DEEEP breathing* maaan am i out of shape... pulling a mere 12 colour laser printers out of the delivery car and put them into storage and i am out of breath. And the postman was not amused... his dispatcher didnt sent a second car so he has to do the tour 2 times because the car (VW transpoter) was full...
[08:28:45] <miss0r> :]
[08:29:20] <miss0r> cardio!
[08:33:11] <sync> why not miss0r?
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[08:33:38] <miss0r> sync: glass particles are not a nice thing to have floating around
[08:33:54] <miss0r> Especially if it is quartz glass.
[08:34:06] <miss0r> Those particles can hang in the air for up to 6months before settling
[08:35:13] <miss0r> sure you can wear a mask so you don't inhale them. But I wouldn't want that stuff floating around and settling on the ways of my lathe ect :)
[08:35:44] <sync> well, eh, you are not doing it daily
[08:35:58] <miss0r> That I am not :)
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[09:18:20] <rmu> halscoping the "time" pins of diverse functions called in the servo thread is most interesting
[09:18:43] <rmu> it reinforces that the raspberry pi SOC really is a piece of crap
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[10:26:08] <weenerdog> howdy
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[12:15:39] <jesseg> LOL so the stepper modules were all fine. Some joints had exceedingly little solder but with a magnifier I could see it. My stepper has the commons of the coils tied together and that was causing it to shut down :P
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[12:28:09] <weenerdog> i'm trying to blow up rhinoceros making a heightfield with 4 million control points lol
[12:28:41] <weenerdog> hey it did it
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[12:53:01] <weenerdog> lol metal on metal
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[13:06:49] <ziper> https://www.youtube.com
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[13:52:02] <Lcvette> pcw_mesa i am gonna need to replace the srive with an analog drive on that little rhino but i don't see that the 7i85s can do that, am i wrong there?
[13:52:50] <pcw_home> the drives are bad?
[13:53:57] <Lcvette> just the spindle drive
[13:55:23] <Lcvette> im gonna pop in a kbic dc controller with a 0-10v analog
[13:55:55] <pcw_home> You could add a SPINX1
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[13:56:32] <Lcvette> is that a card?
[13:57:17] <pcw_home> Yeah, an isolated potentiometer replacement device
[13:57:29] <pcw_home> PWM --> analog
[13:57:46] <Lcvette> ah not on mesa site then
[13:58:09] <pcw_home> It would use some free 7I85S PWM outputs (search on store)
[13:58:34] <Lcvette> http://store.mesanet.com
[13:58:36] <Lcvette> found it
[13:59:57] <pcw_home> bbl need to drag my butt to work...
[14:00:06] <Lcvette> k
[14:00:16] <Lcvette> thankis peter!
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[14:20:29] <rene_dev_> pcw_home there is a guy on a german cnc forum trying to hook up a 7i48 to the parport with mach3
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[14:52:58] <pcw_mesa> thats not too likely to work well...
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[15:05:29] <rene_dev_> I know... I have no idea what his intentions are
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[17:11:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[18:11:33] <gloops> all quiet on the western front
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[18:11:41] <Tom_L> and the eastern one
[18:12:46] <gloops> quiet on all fronts
[18:43:09] <_unreal_> FINALLY I got to GEL most of my plug mold for my RPI/LCD-RPI clone
[18:43:24] <_unreal_> gel=gelcoat like the stuff on boats
[18:44:36] <_unreal_> tomorrow when I go to work, at break I'll paint the other half of the thing. Then once thats done. flip it and do one more coat and ugh. one more on the bottom. then I can sand the thing and FINALLY I can build my MOLD off of the plug.... and start building the real part to house my LCD
[18:44:38] <_unreal_> omg
[18:44:58] <_unreal_> been away from the shop so much doing BS work for so long
[18:45:00] <_unreal_> like 2 montsh
[18:45:04] <_unreal_> months
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[18:48:29] <gloops> is this like a gelcoat on the exterior? or the inside of a mold?
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[19:16:52] <ziper> my long axis rail is in
[19:17:00] <ziper> one of the cars is a little tight
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[21:15:18] <{HD}> Anyone using fusion 360? When I do an export or saveas I can never do anything with the files because they are “in use” has anyone experienced this?
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[21:21:17] <{HD}> If I wait about 5mins and try again it normally works...
[21:29:16] <weenerdog> {HD}, https://forums.autodesk.com
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[22:49:22] <{HD}> weenerdog: thanks but that doesn’t appear to be my same problem.
[22:49:59] <{HD}> It is still doing it for instance if I export an stl I have to wait 5 mins before I can open it in simplify3d.
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