#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-11-15

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[05:49:24] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:29] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
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[05:50:51] <selroc> log
[05:50:51] <russian_troll> selroc: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net
[05:50:52] <c-log> selroc: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[05:55:58] <selroc> hi pink
[05:56:38] <jthornton> interesting we have a russian log now?
[05:59:59] <XXCoder> yeah apparently lol
[06:00:20] <XXCoder> homepage "THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK "
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[06:01:07] <XXCoder> log not found so I guess logger isnt working. or maybe its just troll
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[06:13:01] <jthornton> it did say troll lol
[06:13:15] <XXCoder> indeed. oh c-log left
[06:13:47] <jthornton> really? I have that turned off so I can't see
[06:14:01] <jthornton> hmm Tom is not here either
[06:14:56] <XXCoder> I have it err "kinda on".
[06:15:03] <XXCoder> I love my norepeat script.
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[06:15:21] <XXCoder> if someone gets on and off few times without saying thing my script start removing leave and enetrs
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[06:16:11] <jthornton> are you using hexchat?
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[06:16:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:16:50] <XXCoder> there is 2 configable options at near start of script, well commented
[06:17:03] <XXCoder> https://github.com
[06:17:26] <Tom_itx> the other log has been broke a while
[06:17:41] <XXCoder> first is within 20 minutes, and much longer term one (usually higher number of times before it triggers)
[06:18:13] <XXCoder> special case is disabled by default
[06:21:24] <Tom_itx> 25°F Hi 53
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[06:22:44] <jthornton> we got about an inch of snow last night with snow likely this morning too
[06:22:58] <jthornton> I wonder if the chickens remember snow from last winter lol
[06:24:14] <Tom_itx> not coming from us this time. looks like it's circling up from the gulf
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[06:26:08] <XXCoder> wow sun is cold one for here. low of 35f and high of n44f
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[06:42:22] <jthornton> we are 28-41°F today... I'll be burning some wood in the shops for sure
[06:42:43] <jthornton> XXCoder: did you figure out a way to insulate your window from the outside?
[06:43:25] <XXCoder> not really, today didnt go too well so not in great mood to do anything. im thinking maybe one of those srunk heat plastic covers
[06:47:17] <MarcelineVQ> I've heat-shrank the indoor side of windows in the basement and it worked very well, has held up without needing more attention
[06:48:32] <XXCoder> interesting and since its inside it barely gets any envorment damage
[06:51:30] * Loetmichel once sat a second glass pane in the frame for a window insulation.
[06:51:45] <Loetmichel> on 10mm square aluminium spacers filled with silica gel ;)
[06:53:16] <XXCoder> outside is like 1/4 inch, inside theres more room but water vapors get in so maube get moldy
[06:54:10] <jthornton> the water vapor is already inside the cold surface draws it out of the air
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[06:57:39] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i set the second pane into silicone caulking, so its airtight with the first pane... the silica gel is just for getting rid of any vater vapor in the air that got in while installing
[06:58:04] <XXCoder> cool
[06:58:11] <XXCoder> unfortunately mine is open to outside
[06:58:22] <XXCoder> holes to drain any water that manages to get to frame
[06:58:51] <jthornton> the window does not seal off the inside?
[06:58:53] <Loetmichel> plastic spacers would have been even better for insulation pourposes but the window frame was already made of aluminium, so not much difference there anyways
[06:59:30] <XXCoder> jt it techinically does, rain cannot get in
[06:59:59] <Loetmichel> only drawback was 10mm times two less "light input" area
[07:00:17] <XXCoder> windows is very much not 1940s, good thing
[07:00:20] <Loetmichel> for the spacer frame between the original glass and the second one
[07:00:25] <XXCoder> but still some cold leak issues
[07:00:42] <XXCoder> my side room window keeps blowing little bit of cold air to my back
[07:01:22] <Loetmichel> put a bit of fine open cell sponge/foam in the drain holes
[07:01:34] <Loetmichel> should hold back the air while the water can still pass
[07:02:24] <XXCoder> hey thats interesting will check into that. thanks
[07:02:59] <XXCoder> something like https://www.amazon.com ?
[07:08:50] <jthornton> old windows and brick work used cotton to wick the water out and seal off the opening
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[07:15:10] <jthornton> hmm I need to turn this netgear rounter into a switch...
[07:17:18] <XXCoder> should be strightforward
[07:17:38] <jthornton> I found a button to turn off the wifi so far
[07:17:38] <XXCoder> many of better routers has ability to turn off dns as well as routing functionality
[07:17:50] <XXCoder> turning it into fancy switch
[07:19:53] <jthornton> there is a WPS button I wonder what that does
[07:20:29] <XXCoder> that automates wifi setup
[07:20:34] <XXCoder> also insecure as hell
[07:20:38] <XXCoder> I always disable that
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[07:53:08] <jthornton> I did get windoze xp activated and acad installed
[07:56:33] <XXCoder> awesome :)
[07:56:42] <XXCoder> using tht actibvaton bypass site?
[07:57:52] <jthornton> no, with regedit
[07:58:38] <XXCoder> yeah I meant the guide to do exactly that lol. bit late here
[07:59:08] <jthornton> I thought you meant some site that activated it lol
[07:59:15] <XXCoder> yeah
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[08:02:41] <XXCoder> off to bed, hopefully tomorrow will be better day
[08:02:52] <XXCoder> one things for sure. no more broaching for now!
[08:02:55] <jthornton> night
[08:03:22] <XXCoder> the recent broaching job went badly, one coworker keep messing it up and another one on my shift keeps having to fix it for 5 or 6 hours
[08:03:28] <XXCoder> then I finally run it for while
[08:04:07] <jthornton> that doesn't make for a fun place to work
[08:04:24] <XXCoder> yeah the one who fixed it twice is gettung pissed off
[08:04:37] <XXCoder> might have 26 scrap parts, but maybe can be fixed
[08:05:32] <XXCoder> im somewhat sure the guy who messed it is on his way out, he got caught drinking 3 times for example
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[08:05:44] <XXCoder> considering he only worked for few months thats not good
[08:05:53] <jthornton> yea that ain't good either
[08:06:15] <jthornton> sounds like he needs to dry out and get a grip
[08:06:29] <XXCoder> I dont know why that guy keeps changing stuff on broaching. its very simple
[08:06:33] <MarcelineVQ> you get to keep working while drinking in a machine shop thrice?
[08:07:01] <MarcelineVQ> are you hiring? :>
[08:07:06] <methods_> right
[08:07:08] <XXCoder> just oil the bore, start program, it stops before entering so can clock broach arm to post, oil broach itself, start again and it moves down spinning away
[08:07:21] <XXCoder> then oil it again as it starts to enter bore
[08:07:41] <XXCoder> wait till it starts spinning rapidly then let handle go and wait for a minute
[08:07:52] <XXCoder> clean bore
[08:08:50] <XXCoder> MarcelineVQ: you have no idea how hard up this region is for machinists.
[08:09:00] <XXCoder> probably why im still working
[08:09:10] <XXCoder> i do pretty good but far below par of others
[08:09:56] <XXCoder> ugh my bum face hair is itchy. cant wait for nov to be over
[08:10:06] <XXCoder> I just cant stand facial hair
[08:10:38] <XXCoder> nov no shave month is pretty good cause tho lol
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[08:10:50] <XXCoder> anyway bedtime, and hopefully better day today
[08:10:52] <XXCoder> wb MarcelineVQ
[08:10:55] <XXCoder> er Mangy_Dog
[08:11:08] <XXCoder> err welcome as I dont think youre been here before lol
[08:11:36] <Mangy_Dog> hi im just trying to find some cheep rails for a printer build.... o/ xxcoder Just need to check... The rails, will be mounted on 2020 alu, do they need to be hardened steel or stainless?
[08:11:37] <Mangy_Dog> nope
[08:12:04] <XXCoder> im not sure myself but others is pretty knowledgable
[08:12:07] <XXCoder> laters
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[08:27:05] <Loetmichel> hmm... $me is just milling the 18th front lid for PCs out of 1,5mm sheet aluminium... and that thing has 100s of air slots / millling path... Still the first 2mm 2 flute mill bit in the spindle. Seems that using the occasional breakout tab to hold cutouts in place REALLY elongates the mill bit life :-)
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[09:39:33] <jdh> you need a laser or waterjet
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[10:12:06] <SpeedEvil> To paraphrase a great philosopher.
[10:12:11] <SpeedEvil> Punch it Loetmichel.
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[10:18:28] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com
[10:36:23] <Loetmichel> jdh: neither can make half depth slots in the sheet
[10:37:12] <jdh> oh yeah.
[10:37:22] <Loetmichel> would have given that out to manufacturers but i designed myself into a corner, the front lid of the PC is folded twice with 16mm depth, not enough room for a cnc bending brake to fit the plunger into
[10:37:38] <Loetmichel> so i have to make them myself and bend them by hand
[10:38:06] <Loetmichel> s/plunger/knife
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[10:45:18] <jdh> I tried to get a Bardac drive manual from their website yesterday. the Captcha made me click through 5 sets of pics and then the page reloaded and made n
[10:45:28] <jdh> me restart the captcha
[10:46:14] <MarcelineVQ> That kind of thing is a lot of fun, related I keep more than one browser because modern websites still aren't compliant across browsers :X
[10:47:23] <jdh> I called them. on hold multiple times. they said they didn't make it do that. then they said google did it.
[10:47:34] <SpeedEvil> right.
[10:47:41] <MarcelineVQ> training their AI's on your clicks :(
[10:47:52] <jdh> thwn he gave me the download password, bardac3400.
[10:48:19] <MarcelineVQ> There's something cool sounding about that password, not sure why
[10:48:24] <jdh> and then I added them to my 'never buy' list
[10:49:05] <jdh> along with DeStaco clamps and asco redhat valves
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[11:18:48] <mozmck> jdh: what do you prefer over DeStaco clamps?
[11:19:17] <jdh> pretty much anything.
[11:19:19] <mozmck> I have bought some chinese versions that seem pretty good.
[11:19:24] <jdh> duct tape
[11:19:40] <mozmck> Do you not like the concept or the brand?
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[11:29:42] <jdh> concept
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[12:50:44] * fragalot is secretly hoping the GBP is going to tank soon
[12:51:08] <fragalot> going there again soon, so the lower the exchange rate the better :D
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[12:51:31] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: As long as you can get past the machine guns.
[12:52:05] <fragalot> easy, you flash a little ID card, open your boot to prove there is no-one hiding in it, and the move out of the way.
[12:52:09] <fragalot> they*
[12:52:17] <fragalot> OR, and this is my preferred method
[12:52:29] <fragalot> you let the ferry company know that you will be bringing a gun of your own
[12:52:40] <fragalot> and you get free priority boarding :D
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[15:05:53] <huibuuh> hey hou, can someone help me run the latency-test ? I had to start the live usb in failsafe (because nvidia driver hung) and I always get an error:
[15:05:58] <huibuuh> Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/rtai_hal.ko: Operation not permitted
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[15:15:18] <gloops> hmm i cant help with, not tried a new install on the stick?
[15:15:47] <huibuuh3> yeah I kinda wanna try the latency-test before I install it :D
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[15:17:31] <JT-Shop2> failsafe sounds like a windoze thing...
[15:17:36] <gloops> you should be able to run that from usb install
[15:18:07] <huibuuh> failsafe is the 2nd option from the start menu of the live usb, nothing to do with windows
[15:18:47] <gloops> switch nvidia driver for another to test ?
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[15:19:37] <huibuuh> yeah I also got another gfx card, but before I start to fiddle with the hardware I hoped to get an easy software trick
[15:20:11] <huibuuh> I've seen in the documentation now that I might just need to pass an argument to the kernel to enable some module imma try that after laundry ;-)
[15:20:34] <JT-Shop2> for nvida you probably need to install debian from non-free net install then install the rt preempt kernel
[15:22:29] <huibuuh> yeah I guess I try that if the latency looks good and I install to get nvidia working, or I try my other gfx card
[15:22:34] <huibuuh> thx for the tips guys
[15:23:22] <{HD}> Holy! My calipers don’t auto off! They have been on for like 2 days!
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[15:23:46] <Tom_L> keeps the batteries warm
[15:25:07] <JT-Shop2> lol
[15:25:35] <gloops> theyll work fine until you need them
[15:26:37] <{HD}> Always the case
[15:27:57] <MarcelineVQ> {HD}: capacitive? they're always on dear. and the display doesn't use that much more battery
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[15:36:12] <{HD}> Dear?
[15:36:13] <{HD}> Lol
[15:36:43] <{HD}> https://i.imgur.com
[15:36:52] <MarcelineVQ> That's the model I have :>
[15:39:06] <{HD}> Guess I should always have an extra battery in the case anyway. Gotta order a few more.
[15:39:12] <MarcelineVQ> the vast majority of capacative calipers use power all the time, to keep the field up to retain their zero position, that's why when you slide open those jaws it comes on right away and has already calculated how far it moved
[15:39:38] <MarcelineVQ> I got some energizer 357's but haven't had a chance to use 'em yet
[15:42:15] <{HD}> MarcelineVQ: does your display timeout? I thought these did that but no linger.
[15:42:19] <{HD}> Longer*
[15:42:22] <MarcelineVQ> you want SR-equivalent batteries if you can get them for buttons batteries
[15:42:48] <{HD}> What is sr equiv?
[15:42:49] <MarcelineVQ> I thought it did, lemme go turn it on and I'll let you know if it's off later
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[15:43:36] <MarcelineVQ> https://en.wikipedia.org SR/LR/CR are the standard chemistry types of that type of battery, SR is silver and tends to have the most amerage and stable voltage
[15:44:09] <MarcelineVQ> So if you can get name brand batteries that "replace SR" but don't say SR then they're SR equivalent
[15:44:19] <huibuuh> aaaah wonderful I finally got it to work. I just had to add nomodeset to the kernel commandline so the nvidia card wouldn't crash
[15:45:02] <MarcelineVQ> https://www.energizer.ca happen to be silver, but that doesn't mean all batteries that "replaces SR" have to be
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[15:45:35] <JT-Shop2> huibuuh: let the latency test run for a long while...
[15:46:15] <{HD}> MarcelineVQ: neat. I’ll see what the store has in stock.
[15:46:17] <MarcelineVQ> {HD}: I've turned them on, will let you know if they turn off. Try sliding yours halfway and then leaving them on a table and see if they turn off, maybe the sensors are bouncing a little in the closed position
[15:46:30] <huibuuh> well, it's already on 73000 on the upper thread (servo) so I guess I'm fked lol
[15:48:07] <JT-Shop2> what are you using? pci(e) card, parallel port and which version of linuxcnc?
[15:48:54] <huibuuh> I haven't installed the PCIe to Parallel card yet. I'm using 2.7 downloaded today :D
[15:50:53] <JT-Shop2> so you need software step generation... yea that's a bit high for that. now I have to assume which linuxcnc you downloaded is the RTAI version which is usually best for software step generation
[15:51:53] * JT-Shop2 goes to install the last wind block for the chickens
[15:54:02] <huibuuh> yeah it's 3.4--rtai-686-pae
[15:57:27] <gloops> you can get an old XP box for ÂŁ20, less
[16:03:35] <MarcelineVQ> {HD}: mine turned off
[16:04:00] <MarcelineVQ> more correctly, the display is blank
[16:04:53] <{HD}> MarcelineVQ: mine haven’t turned off. It’s been over five minutes which I believe is the traditional time out. Period
[16:07:29] <MarcelineVQ> afaik the display doesn't drain that much more, especially if it's not changing often, so it's not the end of the world if you forget to shut it off. you might be able to find a video or blog post about that subject somewhere though, I could be misinformed
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[16:45:01] <XXCoder> wow linuxcnc has been updating a LOT lately. wonder why
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[16:48:02] <SpeedEvil> Recent updates have been to screen out propagating cognitohazards from g-code.
[16:48:25] <XXCoder> tsk tsk SCP gcodes
[17:03:45] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:03:44] <zeeshan> howdy
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[20:37:43] <zeeshan> if a 460/230VAC dual voltage motor is configured for 230VAC and someone feeds it 460VAC
[20:37:46] <zeeshan> what would happen? :D
[20:38:19] <andypugh> Probably not very much in the short term. Long term it would overheat
[20:38:26] <zeeshan> my understanding is the highest voltage is a series connection, while the lower voltage is parallel
[20:38:42] <zeeshan> okay, thats what i think happened to one of our machines in the field
[20:38:55] <zeeshan> customer said motor fried and you can see obvious overheating marks
[20:39:40] <gregcnc> I can smell it here
[20:39:45] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:41:03] <zeeshan> i cant figure out why the motor would fry though
[20:41:24] <gregcnc> V/Hz is wrong
[20:41:37] <zeeshan> yes but physically whats going on
[20:41:40] <andypugh> The current will be nuch higher in the low resistance configuration
[20:41:41] <zeeshan> its drawing more current in the windiings?
[20:41:43] <gregcnc> too much current
[20:41:49] <zeeshan> wouldn't you just fry the motor right away though?
[20:41:59] <zeeshan> this things been running for 1 week intermittently
[20:42:00] <gregcnc> themral time constant?
[20:42:09] <zeeshan> i'd think the motor would fry right away
[20:42:13] <zeeshan> as soon as it saw load
[20:42:17] <andypugh> Motors can get very hot before actually frying, and the back-emf plays a role too.
[20:42:25] <gregcnc> light load?
[20:43:05] <andypugh> I suspect you could run a motor at light load at the wrong voltage pretty much indefinitely.
[20:44:08] <zeeshan> man i'm so out of it lately
[20:44:25] <gregcnc> I heard pot is legal?
[20:44:29] <zeeshan> haha
[20:44:35] <zeeshan> pot is for stupids :)
[20:44:43] <gregcnc> lolz
[20:44:43] <zeeshan> i've gone pretty dumb too
[20:44:50] <zeeshan> i sit on a desk designing machines and sizing motors
[20:44:56] <zeeshan> and doing all sorts of stress calcs
[20:45:03] <zeeshan> i haven't touched a tool for the last 3 weeks
[20:45:27] <zeeshan> the best way i can describe my dumbness is like this
[20:45:47] <zeeshan> the other day a designer was arguing with me that you can't torque a bolt by hand
[20:45:47] <zeeshan> rofl
[20:45:57] <zeeshan> to get somewhat a decent clamp load
[20:46:01] <zeeshan> i actually had to think about it.
[20:51:36] <zeeshan> andypugh: i saw your keway broaching on the lathe :D
[20:51:44] <zeeshan> well done!
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[20:52:04] <andypugh> It’s rather a short video, but it works well
[20:52:52] <sync> that just depends on how you define decent zeeshan
[20:52:58] <zeeshan> the cool thing about doing it like that
[20:53:05] <zeeshan> is you can make tapered keyways
[20:53:35] <gregcnc> am I not subscribed?
[20:53:49] <andypugh> I want a CNC slotting head for my mill, with a C axis for the cutter
[20:53:50] <zeeshan> gregcnc: it was like a month ago
[20:54:07] <zeeshan> sync: i rarely ever use a torque wrench for non critical stuff
[20:54:25] <zeeshan> it's pretty unbelievable that a designer thinks you need a torque wrench to torque every single bolt
[20:54:35] <sync> yes
[20:54:43] <zeeshan> 45 years old
[20:54:44] <zeeshan> ..
[20:54:50] <sync> just tell him to use TTY bolts on every joint
[20:54:53] <andypugh> Oh, I read that as him saying that finger-tight was no use
[20:55:13] <andypugh> (and wing / butterfly nuts can actually be pretty effective)
[20:55:15] <sync> yeah, me too andypugh
[20:55:24] <zeeshan> by hand i meant by using a toold by hand
[20:55:25] <gregcnc> what do you have against torque wrenches?
[20:55:30] <zeeshan> nothing at all!
[20:55:37] <zeeshan> they're great for critical applications
[20:55:44] <gregcnc> just taking them out of the tool box?
[20:55:54] <zeeshan> but if you're frigging bolting a wire tray , who in their right mind would use a torque wrench
[20:56:03] <gregcnc> ah well
[20:56:28] <zeeshan> arguements are so draining ;[
[20:56:57] <gregcnc> I have to see if there is a torque spec for VDI
[20:57:05] <sync> just use engineered shearoff fasteners
[20:57:26] <zeeshan> vdi?
[20:57:38] <gregcnc> lathe turrret
[20:57:42] <zeeshan> ah
[20:57:56] <zeeshan> you guys should see the frigging thing i designed at work
[20:58:01] <zeeshan> a multi gang saw!
[20:58:17] <zeeshan> thing needs 4140 q&t tgp shafting
[20:58:20] <gregcnc> like on a huge shaft?
[20:58:23] <zeeshan> first legit use of shafting
[20:58:27] <zeeshan> of that spec for me
[20:58:32] <andypugh> I don’t completely understand VDI. I tink because I have never seen a good picture of the inside.
[20:58:35] <zeeshan> where i need material test reports
[20:58:43] <zeeshan> oh vdi tooling
[20:59:19] <sync> https://ae01.alicdn.com andypugh
[20:59:42] <gregcnc> http://www.sphoorti.com
[20:59:57] <andypugh> What (if anything) pulls the tools back for Z repeatability?
[21:00:05] <gregcnc> the clamp
[21:00:41] <andypugh> Are the Vees at an angle to the axis?
[21:00:47] <gregcnc> no
[21:03:19] <zeeshan> doesn't the tool register against the turret
[21:03:24] <zeeshan> for z indexing
[21:04:28] <andypugh> The Vees will even-out to parallel to the VDI axis, and then the axis of the bore that the clamp slides in will locate in Z, I reckon.
[21:04:50] <andypugh> It’s quite clever, as far as I can see so far.
[21:05:01] <zeeshan> sounds sketchy :p
[21:05:19] <zeeshan> my hunk of steel lathe has em
[21:05:24] <zeeshan> but i've never even touched that lathe since i got it :[
[21:08:34] <gregcnc> I think the pressure is on one side of the vee and as the clamp closes draws it back.
[21:08:43] <gregcnc> I'm not sure that it ever fully seats
[21:09:13] <zeeshan> theres gotta be some pin or register
[21:09:16] <zeeshan> to lock it in z
[21:09:21] <gregcnc> tension
[21:09:30] <zeeshan> tension isn't really that consistent though?
[21:09:39] <zeeshan> TORQUE WRENCH!
[21:09:40] <gregcnc> the back of the holder sits on teh face of the disc
[21:10:07] <zeeshan> gregcnc: you should make an animation for me :D
[21:10:07] <gregcnc> if is fully seated it's not going anywhere
[21:10:18] <gregcnc> I send you a quote
[21:10:31] <andypugh> I don’t think that there does. Imagine clamping it up tight, and now imagine pulling it in and out of the hole. It can’t move axially without rocking the clamp, and the clamp can’t rock because it is clamped down hard into the serratiions
[21:10:33] <gregcnc> but that might be work doing
[21:10:48] <gregcnc> worth
[21:11:50] <zeeshan> i'd need to see a 3d model
[21:12:23] <gregcnc> it doesn't ahve to rock, just wedging action
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[21:15:19] <weenerdog> howdy
[21:16:10] <andypugh> Crikey! I don;t think I have ever seen anyone actually say “howdy” afore.
[21:16:40] <weenerdog> lol
[21:16:48] <zeeshan> you need to visit the states mate
[21:16:49] <zeeshan> :p
[21:17:10] <andypugh> I have been to some of the states.
[21:17:30] <andypugh> I should count them some time.
[21:18:47] <gregcnc> forgot I already have the turret and holders modeled
[21:19:20] <andypugh> 16 of them, so far, having looked at the map.
[21:20:11] <andypugh> Though Texas might not count, that was just an airline transfer coming back from Kansas
[21:20:42] <zeeshan> pics gregcnc
[21:20:54] <zeeshan> andypugh: have you been to georgia?
[21:21:06] <zeeshan> it's prretty place. i'm driving down next week
[21:21:32] <andypugh> I reckon so, I drove from NY to FL and don’t think we took the AL option.
[21:22:44] <weenerdog> i live in the tippy top of the blue ridge mtns in NC. at 4100' (1250m)
[21:23:07] <jdh> -Gipiemme-Laufräder/dp/B00IG5V43S/
[21:23:21] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x882c986c27de778f:0x2b6aee56d8df0e21!2m2!1d-79.8711024!2d43.2557206!1m5!1m1!1s0x88fb75fc78f20659:0x4e0c6751036020bc!2m2!1d-81.091203!2d32.0808989!3e0
[21:23:28] <zeeshan> thats the driving route im taking weenerdog
[21:23:31] <zeeshan> passing your neck of the woods :)
[21:24:25] <weenerdog> aw you'll be way east. coming thru Fancy Gap between VA and NC is pretty. you'll like it.
[21:24:41] <weenerdog> you'll see pilot mountain in the distance. its the most ufo infested place there is lol
[21:24:48] <weenerdog> supposedly
[21:24:58] <jdh> I'm in SE NC, at 0'
[21:25:43] <zeeshan> after im done the job in GA
[21:25:48] <weenerdog> where? i sold christmas trees for years in jacksonville. every december. i grow them.
[21:25:49] <zeeshan> im planning to spend some time in the mountains
[21:26:00] <weenerdog> you'll like it
[21:26:21] <zeeshan> do you guys fish?
[21:26:26] <jdh> wilmington
[21:26:28] <zeeshan> do i need a license to fish the ocean
[21:26:31] <weenerdog> just for trout
[21:26:32] <gregcnc> https://imgur.com
[21:26:49] <weenerdog> yes zeeshan. hang on i'll find info. they sell cheap short term licenses.
[21:27:01] <zeeshan> i got lots of trout up here
[21:27:06] <zeeshan> i need to fish for ocean fish!
[21:27:09] <zeeshan> salt water fish
[21:27:27] <jdh> you can get a 1 day license online
[21:29:42] <zeeshan> if the rack portion has accurately pitched teeth
[21:29:49] <zeeshan> i can see how that can index in the tool
[21:29:52] <zeeshan> while clamping it
[21:30:01] <weenerdog> http://portal.ncdenr.org 10 day license for non resident $10 bux
[21:30:26] <zeeshan> great!
[21:30:28] <gregcnc> angular position is handled by a pin in the face of the turret
[21:30:29] <zeeshan> i'm bringing the fishing rod
[21:31:28] <weenerdog> just ask which store sells fishing license. everyone will know.
[21:31:42] <gregcnc> maybe not, I think it would be over constrained
[21:35:06] <weenerdog> zeeshan, you gonna fish in the surf or from a pier?
[21:35:27] <weenerdog> i've never fished the ocean. i'm scared of what i might catch. but i've seen people drag out big ones surf fishing
[21:35:41] <zeeshan> from a pier
[21:35:52] <zeeshan> id be happy with some mackarel
[21:36:02] <zeeshan> *mackerel
[21:36:26] <weenerdog> i catch them in cans
[21:36:29] <zeeshan> hah
[21:36:35] <zeeshan> what kind of trout do you have in NC?
[21:36:50] <zeeshan> i would guess brown
[21:36:52] <weenerdog> brook brown rainbow
[21:37:01] <zeeshan> you have native brook?
[21:37:02] <zeeshan> or wild
[21:37:19] <zeeshan> i'm suprised brook are all the way down there
[21:37:22] <weenerdog> yes native brookies here locally.
[21:37:24] <zeeshan> considering that they're a cold water specifies
[21:37:29] <zeeshan> *species
[21:37:44] <weenerdog> the altitude here makes it cold. its snowing right now.
[21:37:59] <jdh> speckled trout and gray trout inshore
[21:38:01] <zeeshan> https://photos.app.goo.gl
[21:38:14] <zeeshan> i caught these guys 2 weekends ago
[21:38:21] <zeeshan> beauties!
[21:38:30] <weenerdog> high temperature in 2017 at my house was 27c
[21:38:40] <weenerdog> not like the rest of NC :)
[21:38:59] <weenerdog> pretty
[21:39:35] <zeeshan> Brook trout are the only native coldwater trout in North Carolina. These trout generally exist in cold, clean mountain streams above 1,500-feet in elevation; however, most populations of wild brook trout are in streams over 3,000-feet in elevation.
[21:39:38] <zeeshan> pretty bad ass
[21:39:40] <zeeshan> i didn't know that at all
[21:42:50] <weenerdog> brook trout is technically not a trout :) its a char
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