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[00:51:33] <_unreal_> I got a few more tiny task's done today on building my mold for my RPI/lcd-rpi clone
[00:51:44] <_unreal_> dieing to get the damn thing done
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[02:08:54] <miss0r> goodmorning
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[04:07:02] <Loetmichel> *MUHAHA* ... just milled the last of 24 front panels for PC in alu... last 2" of mill trace breaks the mill bit... no biggie, only 0,15mm thick alu remaining there, so it can be filed off... THAT was great timing... ;)
[04:08:08] <Loetmichel> 3 days ++ of milling with the same 2mm two flute bit... and it breaks when it doesent matter any more... murphy must be sleeping ;)
[04:11:12] <miss0r> indeed :D
[04:16:24] <miss0r> I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with this robot vacuum cleaner I own. It has been sitting idle for a few months, because I assumed the battery had gone bad.
[04:17:01] <miss0r> Now when I measure the battery it all checks out. But when you power on the robot, it runs for ~10 seconds then it calls for more power and starts to locate the charging station
[04:17:26] * miss0r is beginning to suspect some sort of planned planned obsolescence
[04:17:37] <Loetmichel> miss0r: did you check internal resistance of the battery?
[04:17:48] <Loetmichel> looks like its gone up quite a bit
[04:18:15] <Loetmichel> (i.E: cant supply any reasonable amount of current any more wihout dropping voltage)
[04:18:21] <miss0r> I *somewhat* did, as I measured the voltage under load
[04:18:39] <miss0r> a pretty signifigant load even
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[04:20:47] <miss0r> I don't know where else to turn with this thing... Next step: scrap for parts :)
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[04:30:06] <Loetmichel> miss0r: or get a new battery pack and try again
[04:30:12] <miss0r> Yeah
[04:30:30] <miss0r> I just opped the test resistor value, and it dropped like a sack of potatoes
[04:30:31] <Loetmichel> if it whines for power after a few minutes of operation it usually IS the battery gone bad
[04:30:39] <miss0r> Indeed
[04:30:47] <Loetmichel> especially if its Li* and a few years old
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[05:38:55] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: lucky lol
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[06:09:34] <XXCoder> linuxcnc update yet again
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[06:22:25] <jthornton> morning
[06:22:34] <XXCoder> hey j
[06:22:54] <Deejay> hey guys
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[06:29:42] <jthornton> XXCoder: what are you talking about linuxcnc update again?
[06:30:31] <XXCoder> I got 3 linuxcnc updates so far. bit weird that its so offten
[06:31:15] <jthornton> hmmm
[06:35:05] <jthornton> you running debian?
[06:36:35] <XXCoder> linux mint
[06:36:50] <XXCoder> its not for actually running machine but its great for sim machines
[06:44:51] <jthornton> you just running a regular kernel?
[06:49:48] <XXCoder> yeah for this one. its just to test gcode and such
[06:50:08] <XXCoder> my linuxcnc pc is installation of err debian? forgot what it come with
[06:57:07] <jthornton> debian never prompts for an update for me
[06:57:42] <XXCoder> im just surpised linuxcnc updates that oftenb
[06:59:59] <jthornton> it updates everytime Seb pushes an update :)
[07:00:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:00:55] <XXCoder> oh coworker got fired today
[07:01:10] <XXCoder> not the drunk one, but younger one. he kept making crash mistakes
[07:01:11] <jthornton> the one that had a drinking problem?
[07:01:22] <XXCoder> hes a nice guy but if cant do job right well
[07:01:48] <XXCoder> im sure drinking guy will be fairly soon fired
[07:01:53] <jthornton> just not paying attention or slow on the uptake?
[07:01:56] <XXCoder> he probably made 20 scrap yeserday
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[07:02:15] <XXCoder> broaching was really bad as I menioned earlier, but he didnt check any parts
[07:02:34] <XXCoder> so as result theres so many problemic parts. I made maybe 3 problem parts which is much smaller
[07:03:50] <jthornton> that's bad when you get passed bad parts
[07:04:16] <XXCoder> yeah false negative on scrap is worse kind of all
[07:04:47] <jthornton> when you think they are good parts and they are really scrap?
[07:04:53] <XXCoder> yeah
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[07:22:49] <XXCoder> those impresses the clients the least
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[07:34:16] <jthornton> I bet
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[07:35:18] <XXCoder> worst one would be very late, parts that has heavily overused tool marks, dirty, and not meeting print
[07:36:17] <XXCoder> we had outprocess parts come in like that
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[07:49:24] <XXCoder> almost tempted to apply for boeing lol
[07:49:27] <XXCoder> dunno
[07:50:10] <XXCoder> anyway vbedtime later
[07:50:22] <jthornton> night
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[10:34:59] <Roguish> jthornton: hey, r u up an working?
[10:35:34] <Roguish> jthornton: machining question.
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[10:46:16] <Roguish> what feed speed for thru hole rigid tapping 3/8-16 in 1/2" hot rolled steel? i've never done rigid tapping and can't afford to bust anything.
[10:51:27] <cradek> don't try your first rigid tap on a part you can't afford to ruin
[10:52:25] <gregcnc> https://www.rntap.com
[10:52:27] <cradek> (my vmc prefers to tap holes like that at about 300rpm)
[11:02:27] <Roguish> cra
[11:02:44] * Loetmichel does M3 in alu with a battery drill at 1300rpm ;)
[11:03:00] <Loetmichel> ... just lift the finger before the tap bottoms out
[11:03:02] <Roguish> cradek: oh, never do that. i've done 2 holes in a luminum to start.
[11:04:11] <Roguish> have a couple dozen holes to do. and only 3 taps in the shop. and i have extra blank plates.............
[11:05:36] <Roguish> gregcnc: thanks. that looks good enough.
[11:05:42] <gregcnc> why should the tap break?
[11:06:14] <Loetmichel> <- is pretty rough with his taps... regardless of thru hole or dead end hole.. -> https://www.youtube.com
[11:06:31] <Loetmichel> (dont have a video with closed holes though
[11:06:33] <Loetmichel> )
[11:06:48] <Roguish> plain carbon annealed steel 40-80. I did the aluminum at 40 with no problems.
[11:07:26] <Roguish> gregcnc: could break a tap by doing something dumb. that's what I'm trying to avoid.
[11:07:47] <MarcelineVQ> what style of tap Roguish?
[11:07:55] <Roguish> an old Haas. using a floating tap holder.
[11:08:18] <gregcnc> I think speed is the last of those concerns, unless the machine has issues keeping up
[11:08:43] <Roguish> MarcelineVQ: a spiral point. pretty good quality. OSG. for cnc application.
[11:09:33] <gregcnc> with a floating holder it's gives some room for the machine to lag
[11:10:20] <gregcnc> OSG has excellent docs as well
[11:10:51] <Roguish> thanks all. gotta run to car shop. power steering pump is screaming. bbl
[11:10:52] <samsagaz> i have an small CNC machine 30x30cm, mainly i use it for PCB Milling/drilling. Im using GRBL with it. Will get some benefit using linuxCNC instead?
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[11:16:14] <Loetmichel> samsagaz: depends. As far as i know GRBL is bad with true 3d
[11:16:28] <Loetmichel> so when you want to make reliefs and stuff better use linuxCNC
[11:16:47] <samsagaz> oh, i see
[11:16:58] <samsagaz> thanks :)
[11:17:16] <Loetmichel> its also nice to have a screen at the mill where you can see what the machine does and can restart after a broken bit a lot easier...
[11:19:56] <samsagaz> mainly i want to build another machine soon, and checking cost to use linuxcnc instead GRBL... mainly i dont like paralel port, but is not a problem, mainly i use laptop so hard to find a parallel port :/
[11:24:40] <jthornton> Roguish: you still there?
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[11:30:35] <Loetmichel> i dont recommend to use laptop for linuxCNC
[11:31:08] <Loetmichel> even if working LPT exists its usually not very good with latency because of the power save interrups
[11:31:33] <Loetmichel> but take a look at the recently made rasberry pi fork of linuxcnc
[11:32:09] <Loetmichel> or simply buy an used mini-itx board with a 3ghz core2duo (or newer) and LPT on board
[11:32:27] <Loetmichel> that is sufficient to run full LinuxCNC
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[11:51:47] <rmu> there is a raspberry pi fork of linuxcnc? where?
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[11:59:47] <samsagaz> raspberry fork? wow
[11:59:54] <samsagaz> works ok?
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[12:00:42] <samsagaz> and how connect the raspberry with lpt?
[12:00:46] <samsagaz> will search about it
[12:00:47] <samsagaz> thanks
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[12:09:30] <jthornton> the RPi does not have a parallel port
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[12:39:12] <pcw_home> It does have the rough equivalent = GPIO pins
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[12:46:25] <JT-Shop> can you drive the GPIO pins in real time?
[12:49:19] <MarcelineVQ> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org has some opinions on that
[12:58:00] <JT-Shop2> interesting
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[13:05:02] <rmu> I think Loetmichel talked about machinekit
[13:08:17] <Loetmichel> rmu: no idea what its called, just seen a few videos with axis on a raspi
[13:08:19] <Loetmichel> lately
[13:08:39] <Loetmichel> on youtube
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[13:11:17] <rmu> if you have some hardware that take care of step-generation it is possible to run linuxcnc on the raspberry pi
[13:11:57] <JT-Shop> like using spi?
[13:12:07] <rmu> but it is certinly not plug and play
[13:12:21] <rmu> you can connect mesa 7i90 via SPI
[13:13:30] <rmu> or you could connect those intelligent stepper driver chips like powerstep01 via spi
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[13:13:46] <rmu> (and write your own drivers)
[13:16:39] <JT-Shop> that sounds like fun
[13:16:48] <pcw_home> I shoud have the 7C80 and 7C81 available soon for external step drivers, these have a RPI compatible footprint
[13:17:02] <JT-Shop> cool
[13:17:29] <JT-Shop> do they just plug into the header on the RPi?
[13:18:42] <pcw_home> The RPI mounts on to the 7C80/81 and there's a ~1.5" 40 pin flat cable between
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[13:20:38] <JT-Shop> neat, all the RPi needs now is a clock...
[13:20:48] <pcw_home> the FPGA connects to all RPI GPIO but currently just using the SPI (though the RPIs serial port could get routed through the FPGA to reach the 7C80/7C81s RS-485 port for MODBUS use)
[13:21:33] <rmu> the built-in uart of the pi is "fishy"
[13:21:53] <rmu> if that makes sense
[13:27:17] <rmu> enabling it deactivates some sort of frequency scaling of cpu because baudrates are derived from same base timer
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[13:42:55] <JT-Shop> what's the difference between the 7c80 and 7c81?
[13:48:38] <pcw_home> 7C80 is fancy, has 24 isolated inputs, 8 isolated 2A outputs 6 differential step/dir outputs, spindle encoder input, analog spindle output
[13:49:01] <pcw_home> + 26 pin expansion port
[13:50:23] <pcw_home> 7C81 is for use with external breakouts (its has 3x 26 pin LPT compatible headers and 2 SSerial ports)
[13:50:47] <pcw_home> (forgot 7C80 has one sserial port)
[13:51:53] <pcw_home> 7C81 should be cheap (7I90 price)
[13:53:29] <pcw_home> rmu yeah there are a lot of fishy things about the RPI, but the ARM alternatives I've seen seem even fishier
[13:59:10] <pcw_home> Makes you wonder what genius linked the UART clock to the CPU clock
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[14:12:45] <JT-Shop2> pcw_home: will the 7c80/81 work with all the RPi's?
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[14:24:15] <rmu> pcw_home: the lepotato amlogic chip seems to have braindead spi. dma does not work, there is no "fifo half empty" interrupt and spi engine locks up on underflow.
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[14:30:58] <pcw_mesa> Actually DMA/interrupts are probably a bad idea for a LinuxCNC driver anyway, SPI engine lockups are not good though
[14:32:09] <pcw_mesa> in most cases simple blocking synchronous I/O is a win for LinuxCNC
[14:34:29] <pcw_mesa> JT-Shop2: only tested on B
[14:34:44] <pcw_mesa> I should get a B+ to test
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[14:52:02] <JT-Shop2> do you think it would work on a Zero?
[14:52:25] <pcw_mesa> does the zero have the same 40 pin GPIO port?
[14:52:32] <JT-Shop2> I have all pi 3b's no pluses and a pile of zeros
[14:52:41] <JT-Shop2> yes same 40 pin GPIO
[14:53:12] <pcw_mesa> might work (does the zero have the same amount of RAM?)
[14:53:40] <JT-Shop2> let me look
[14:56:00] <JT-Shop2> the Zero has 512MB of ram
[14:56:19] <JT-Shop2> https://www.raspberrypi.org
[14:56:30] <JT-Shop2> scroll down a bit for the specs
[14:56:39] <pcw_mesa> maybe for headless
[14:57:32] <JT-Shop2> looks like the B+ is just a bit faster processor
[14:58:06] <pcw_mesa> 512M will kill you with a GUI
[14:58:48] <rmu> headless without network also doesn't make much sense, the zeros don't have ethernet
[14:59:36] <pcw_mesa> you can get the W version with WIFO
[14:59:45] <rmu> no wired ethernet. i think there are zeros with wlan, if you can actually get hold of one
[14:59:54] <JT-Shop2> yea that's what I have zero w's
[15:00:05] <pcw_mesa> but 512M and a bit slower is not a good thing
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[15:02:25] <{HD}> https://www.raspberrypi.org
[15:03:03] <{HD}> Linux terminal you can plug into any computer
[15:06:13] <pcw_mesa> rmu: what was your experience with the 4.14 Preempt-RT kernel on the RPI?
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[15:14:50] <rmu> it seems to work, latency isn't too bad, but there are some strange issues with slowdowns, but probably not kernel related
[15:18:25] <pcw_mesa> the 4.9 kernel you gave me seems ok but you don't have a huge amount of latency headroom
[15:19:44] <pcw_mesa> ( also you pretty much do want the DPLL in the FPGA since the servo thread latency is not great )
[15:21:17] <rmu> with 4.14 i can run with 2khz or even 3khz, but i think smart serial doesn't keep up with that
[15:22:26] <rmu> jitter is worse with slower rate, which i find strange
[15:22:47] <pcw_mesa> smart serials turnround time will subtract from your headroom (I can run most sserial cards at 5 KHz or more on a fast PCI system)
[15:24:17] <pcw_mesa> I see increased jitter at slower thread rates on X86 also ( I assume this is cache related )
[15:24:19] <rmu> runtime of the thread functs in my setup is significant, about 250µs, so write and read are too narrow
[15:25:04] <rmu> anybody know a preempt rt kernel for rockchip3288 asus tinkerboard?
[15:25:31] <rmu> my self-built one tries to boot but throws megabytes of OOPSes on me
[15:25:44] <pcw_mesa> :-(
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[15:27:39] <Tom_L> https://tinkerboarding.co.uk
[15:27:56] <roycroft> any advice on turning jb weld on aluminium tubing on a lathe?
[15:27:59] <roycroft> sharp hss tooling?
[15:28:30] <Tom_L> yeah, grind it off and tig weld it instead
[15:28:59] <roycroft> that's not an acceptable answer at the moment :)
[15:29:29] <roycroft> it doesn't need to be very strong, but it needs to look decent
[15:29:32] <roycroft> and will be painted over
[15:29:46] <roycroft> it's purely cosmetic
[15:29:49] <Tom_L> put some bondo over it and paint it
[15:30:15] <roycroft> the jb weld is already applied
[15:30:20] <roycroft> i just need to clean it up a bit
[15:30:21] <Tom_L> i've never tried to machine jb weld
[15:30:31] <roycroft> i've drilled and tapped it before with good results
[15:30:49] <roycroft> it's pretty decent stuff for many applications
[15:31:16] <roycroft> it's basically just expoxy will steel powder mixed in
[15:31:20] <roycroft> epoxy
[15:31:30] <rmu> Tom_L: thanks, i wanted to avoid that, seems to be complicated... but i will have a go
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[16:47:20] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:04:57] <gloops> great when netflix just decides to park the film for 20 minutes
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[17:16:57] <rmu> Tom_L: the kernel built by this scripts doesn't boot at all... probably too old for the tinkerboard "s" with emmc
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[20:18:33] <rmu> habemus kernelium
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[20:34:45] <weenerdog> howdy
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[20:45:32] <roycroft> turning the jb weld went fine
[20:45:44] <roycroft> sharp hss tool, high speed, very light cuts
[20:46:00] <roycroft> pretty much what i figured it would be
[20:48:12] <_unreal_> boy this is confusing. stripping out some stupid shit I put on this controller board I built and making some other adjustments to finish it...
[20:48:30] <_unreal_> I'm finally down to the last 20 or so solder joints
[20:48:40] <_unreal_> noting like a massive PERF board
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[20:57:59] <flyback> http://www.kryoflux.com
[21:02:02] <XXCoder> apparently I own a ghost webcam
[21:02:38] <XXCoder> guy said guy hacked my email account, saw what I browsed, and captured lurid pictures with my webcam
[21:02:43] <XXCoder> okay lol
[21:04:16] <infornography> lurid
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[21:12:58] <XXCoder> https://www.bitcoinabuse.com lol
[21:14:42] <_unreal_> flyback, I think I am finally comming down the line. one of these days I need to repower my control board I"m building and TEST things
[21:14:52] <_unreal_> been taking for ever doing all of the wiring on the dam thing
[21:14:54] <_unreal_> time for a beer
[21:16:02] <weenerdog> XXCoder, if someone hacked me and read my browsing, unless they fish, make shit, or play bluegrass, they'd be seriously bored
[21:16:49] <XXCoder> lol
[21:20:24] <XXCoder> though I laughed a lot on nonexistant webcam
[21:20:52] <XXCoder> what gave it away (besides nonexiustant hardware) is that enmail is super generic
[21:21:03] <XXCoder> it doesnt even say what os I run, so on
[21:21:33] <XXCoder> my password shown in title were real, but I havent used it for over a decade
[21:21:41] <XXCoder> (email says half year)
[21:26:39] <XXCoder> my pants got loose (lost some weight) but I couldnt find my belt (I basically never use it) so...
[21:26:52] <XXCoder> IT solution time! I found a old pre-cat5 cable and used it as belkt
[21:27:51] <infornography> lurid
[21:27:55] <XXCoder> indeed
[21:28:09] <XXCoder> hope the hacker caught me putting it on with ghost webcam
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[21:54:10] <XXCoder> weenerdog: http://dpaste.com if curious lol
[21:57:55] <weenerdog> haha
[21:58:33] <XXCoder> btw email is correct, password is altered
[21:58:38] <weenerdog> i had some scammer about to commit suicide a year ago. got this virus that said i needed to call "microsoft" to get rid of it
[21:58:42] <XXCoder> yes I own email.com
[21:58:54] <XXCoder> nah kidding lol
[21:59:04] <XXCoder> I'd be so rich if I did
[21:59:59] <weenerdog> was seriously fried on scotch, so i called. the whole thing is they try to get you to download a program and install it, which presumably gives them access to everything. then i played the most incompetent user in the world. said i was downloading it, then said the download shit itself, had to start again. over and over and over and over
[22:00:12] <weenerdog> guy was getting muy pissed
[22:00:34] <XXCoder> if I was not deaf I'd play such games so often
[22:00:39] <weenerdog> screaming into the phone "no you doo eeet like theees"
[22:00:56] <XXCoder> I would confuse windows with literal windows
[22:01:05] <XXCoder> open windows ok my room windows is open
[22:01:34] <XXCoder> icons? you mean those stickers my kids stuck on my windows years ago?
[22:01:47] <weenerdog> wife txt to husband "its freezing. windows wont open"
[22:02:02] <XXCoder> I took my pet mouse and touched it on those stickers I mean icons twice. nothing happened
[22:02:21] <weenerdog> husband txt to wife "pour warm water on the glass, wait a second, should open"
[22:02:36] <weenerdog> wift txt to husband "ok computer is seriously fucked up now"
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[22:06:09] <MarcelineVQ> weenerdog: you might like the hoax hotel youtube channel
[22:06:25] <weenerdog> yeah?
[22:06:30] <MarcelineVQ> ye
[22:06:38] <XXCoder> how do it hoax
[22:06:40] <weenerdog> i'll diggit
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[22:11:51] <XXCoder> its autocaptooned
[22:11:56] <XXCoder> hopefully its workable
[22:12:47] <XXCoder> oh they add text. nice
[22:14:10] <XXCoder> utterly unwatchable
[22:14:17] <XXCoder> its better to listen to than watch I gues
[22:18:41] <MarcelineVQ> They're very accurate subtitles fwiw
[22:19:00] <XXCoder> yeah but rapidly switching pictures make caption hard to read also
[22:19:10] <XXCoder> lemme try something
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[22:20:25] <XXCoder> wh dont really help
[22:20:29] <XXCoder> *eh
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[23:50:19] <XXCoder> JT-Shop2: starting the vismach'