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[02:16:57] <XXCoder> whew
[02:17:12] <XXCoder> so far, frame is done, X and Y is done
[02:17:23] <XXCoder> "tool holder" and its tooltip is done
[02:17:49] <XXCoder> well tool isnt done, as its defined but not placed yet as I havent made Z assembly yet
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[02:25:51] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com so much fun
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[03:08:26] <Deejay> moin
[03:08:41] <XXCoder> hey
[03:08:52] <XXCoder> making screenshot a second
[03:09:45] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com
[03:10:19] <XXCoder> i just finisged vismach
[03:10:29] <XXCoder> just need to figure how to use it in first place, in linuxcnc
[03:12:38] <XXCoder> Deejay:
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[03:12:54] <XXCoder> hey gloops https://imgur.com
[03:13:44] <gloops> is this yours XXCoder?
[03:13:52] <XXCoder> yep
[03:14:13] <XXCoder> took me few hours to make it
[03:14:27] <XXCoder> nothing like making it myself to make me understand how to build machine!
[03:14:53] <gloops> lol, is it a plan for a real build then?
[03:14:57] <XXCoder> no
[03:15:05] <XXCoder> understanding vismac
[03:15:08] <XXCoder> vismach
[03:15:18] <XXCoder> unfortunately im not done yet
[03:15:19] <gloops> ahh, well its good for getting your head round the principles
[03:15:31] <XXCoder> I still need to figure how to get lkinuxcnc to connect to ut
[03:15:36] <XXCoder> and operate it as machine
[03:16:00] <gloops> yeah not something ive tried
[03:16:24] <XXCoder> its almost lost art
[03:16:39] <XXCoder> theres info on machine creation, and almost none on actually using it.
[03:17:27] <gloops> https://www.youtube.com
[03:17:34] <gloops> could add toolchanger
[03:17:41] <XXCoder> sure but I dont plan to
[03:18:02] <XXCoder> mine is simple for tutorial
[03:18:05] <gloops> i think ive seen vids by cradek
[03:18:08] <XXCoder> I plan to make basic cnc router also
[03:18:30] <gloops> tutorial online would be good if there are none now
[03:18:33] <XXCoder> my machine idea is from that one btw
[03:19:11] <XXCoder> mine is very simple because it teaches basics
[03:19:17] <XXCoder> router I will import obj files and so on
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[03:21:46] <XXCoder> jt's version of vismach page is very helpful
[03:21:54] <XXCoder> I think its jt's anyway
[03:21:57] <gloops> well there does seem to be a big empty space for linuxcnc tutorials now ichs channel has gone
[03:22:06] <XXCoder> theres other one thats far more updated but missing lot of info
[03:22:40] <XXCoder> yeah if I had a shop and lot more time I'd as well do it
[03:22:47] <XXCoder> but I cant afford to do it sadly
[03:23:08] <XXCoder> shop would cost $50,000 or so
[03:23:22] <XXCoder> more when electricity is factored in
[03:23:47] <XXCoder> plus once its setup I'd need more time, which translates to expense. :(
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[03:24:24] <XXCoder> ich had tons of time as he was mostly retired
[03:25:02] <XXCoder> you got around 50 million bucks? lol plus $60,000 to complete shop? lol
[03:25:55] <gloops> yeah the time factor is important
[03:26:23] <XXCoder> 50 million is where I figure interest alone would support me
[03:26:32] <gloops> 50 000 to build a shop and equip it?
[03:26:40] <gloops> or do you already have a space
[03:27:01] <XXCoder> has land space for it but its not built
[03:27:08] <XXCoder> we planned to do it this year
[03:27:18] <XXCoder> but house problems blew it up
[03:27:46] <gloops> yeah theres always something else
[03:28:10] <XXCoder> now making new HAL :)
[03:28:37] <gloops> lol, id love to get into it, a thousand others things to get going first though
[03:29:26] <gloops> going to knock some boxes out this weekend, also got 50 small stamps to make
[03:30:18] <gloops> even when you have a working machine you never have time to get it to the stage where its a going concern lol
[03:30:37] <XXCoder> i plan to use mine for enjoyment alone really
[03:30:42] <XXCoder> maybe sell artworks done with it
[03:30:48] <XXCoder> but not professional machining
[03:31:38] <gloops> well if you start putting artworks on display it wont be long before enquiries start
[03:31:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:34:13] <gloops> then theres different techniques and ways of doing things to work out, 5 different cam software to learn, drawing apps, finishing everything lol
[03:35:47] <XXCoder> my machine workspace is apparently 1000mm, 200mm, unknownmm
[03:35:56] <XXCoder> I am figuring on Z right now
[03:37:18] <gloops> does this take any deflection calculations into consideration, stresses, speeds etc
[03:37:25] <gloops> like a real test of a design
[03:37:27] <XXCoder> nope its infinitely hard machine
[03:37:34] <gloops> ah ok
[03:37:41] <XXCoder> I think it actually detects impacts though
[03:37:45] <XXCoder> like tool on body of machine
[03:38:02] <gloops> even that is useful though
[03:38:12] <XXCoder> or part on other part
[03:39:15] <XXCoder> 400 - 160 lets see
[03:39:25] <XXCoder> looks like height is 240
[03:42:12] <XXCoder> -240 to 0 mm
[03:42:26] <XXCoder> its pretty good for made up machine
[03:42:35] <XXCoder> 1m width, 200 Y and 240 Z
[03:43:05] <gloops> useful work envelope
[03:43:23] <XXCoder> its not huge but definitely usable lol
[03:43:42] <XXCoder> I was thinking one of those small machines when I designed it
[03:48:48] <XXCoder> drat! first run failed
[03:48:57] <XXCoder> it successfully loaded my mill
[03:49:15] <XXCoder> but it crashed on something I think I misconfigured pin to joints in mill
[03:49:35] <XXCoder> it keeps saying "waiting for s.axws"
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[03:54:39] <XXCoder> I dont understand HAL enough to see what I did wrong
[03:54:43] <XXCoder> you?
[03:58:07] <gloops> not come accross that message before
[03:58:31] <XXCoder> still figuring HAL
[03:58:41] <gloops> my little knowledge of HAL is mostly where ive had a specific problem lol
[03:58:45] <XXCoder> in example net j0 axis.0.joint-pos-fb 5axisgui.joint0
[03:59:16] <XXCoder> last one is link to vismach file
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[03:59:22] <XXCoder> second to last is unknown
[03:59:28] <XXCoder> its never named elsewhere in HAL
[04:00:34] <rmu> if somebody is interested: asus tinkerboard with 4.14.81-rt41 seems to have decent latency, s=3.8, max about +-100, after 6 hours parallel to some compiling, chromium browser and apt-get updating the system
[04:00:48] <rmu> without isolcpus or any other optimization tricks
[04:01:12] <XXCoder> 3.8 seconds?
[04:01:27] <rmu> µs
[04:01:41] <rmu> std-dev is 3.8 us
[04:01:44] <XXCoder> if I recall good range is 15000 to 50000
[04:01:54] <XXCoder> what did you get?
[04:02:31] <rmu> my units are us, yours obviously ns
[04:03:12] <XXCoder> hmm can you translate it to ns?
[04:03:26] <rmu> 1 us = 1000 ns
[04:03:34] <XXCoder> so its decent indeed
[04:03:51] <rmu> sufficient for 1khz servo thread
[04:03:59] <XXCoder> slightly worse than my pc but then that ones one board pc right?
[04:04:09] <rmu> yes
[04:04:22] <XXCoder> usrrmot: error: command timeout
[04:04:28] <rmu> feels very fast, this really is useable for web-browsing
[04:04:30] <XXCoder> bah i dont know what im doing with hal
[04:04:39] <rmu> 2gig ram and emmc
[04:04:53] <XXCoder> wow all in one linuxcnc package
[04:05:19] <rmu> will hook up the mesa 7i90 later today
[04:06:12] <rmu> it is about 2 times the price of a rpi with sd-card, but it seems worth it
[04:06:50] <XXCoder> okay its linuxcnc error not related with vismach
[04:08:01] <XXCoder> of course! my computer is sim only, no rt
[04:12:53] <XXCoder> rmu: seems so
[04:13:04] <XXCoder> there is one kickstarter one that seems very strong
[04:13:08] <XXCoder> dual 4 core cpus
[04:13:26] <XXCoder> maybe plenty of power for linuxcnc but as large as raspiberry pi
[04:14:08] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com
[04:14:31] <XXCoder> dont think its same ine. not sure
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[04:15:56] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com
[04:35:34] <XXCoder> gloops: got a virtal machine to run, but not mine
[04:35:41] <XXCoder> its olvious issue with my ini or hal
[04:35:46] <XXCoder> not figured what yet.
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[04:57:31] <rmu> for "real" applications you want eMMC in a SBC and not multi-bits-per-cell SD-cards. there are industrial sd-cards with improved durability, but they are expensive
[04:58:47] <XXCoder> interesting
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[05:12:46] <XXCoder> be bck in a bit
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[05:49:45] <Deejay> re
[05:56:15] <XXCoder> wb
[05:56:38] <jthornton> morning
[05:56:47] <XXCoder> hey jthornton good news
[05:56:59] <XXCoder> I found example of actually showing tool in viscnc
[05:57:04] <XXCoder> vismach
[05:57:11] <jthornton> cool, where at
[05:57:19] <XXCoder> hbm
[05:57:31] <XXCoder> its at /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc/examples/sample-configs/sim/axis/vismach/
[05:57:43] <XXCoder> most examples is broken
[05:58:04] <XXCoder> but... https://imgur.com
[05:58:06] <XXCoder> check it out
[05:58:39] <XXCoder> ill be back in couple minutes has cold stuff to put aaway
[05:58:48] <jthornton> ok
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[06:03:01] <XXCoder> back
[06:03:11] <XXCoder> what ya think of machine I designed
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[06:03:30] <jthornton> nice and simple and I like simple for examples
[06:03:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:03:45] <jthornton> did you make it from primitives?
[06:03:49] <XXCoder> I think I will use obj loading example in cnc router, for second example
[06:03:54] <XXCoder> yep
[06:04:22] <XXCoder> unfortunately its not all flowers
[06:04:37] <XXCoder> I am unable to run simple 3 axis machine I made with stepgen
[06:04:40] <XXCoder> very strange errors
[06:04:59] <XXCoder> its same if I include vismach or not
[06:06:18] <jthornton> I usually just modify the axis sim
[06:06:34] <XXCoder> I probably will, right now just snacking a little
[06:10:05] <XXCoder> hbm HAL is bit odd though
[06:10:33] <XXCoder> it sets fixed tool diameter and length, but line right below that grabs tool length data and sends it to vismach
[06:10:38] <XXCoder> but that is commented out
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[06:10:54] <XXCoder> maybe its bugged or maybe it was old version that was bugged
[06:11:08] <XXCoder> plan to play around once I get my machine actually "running"
[06:14:00] <XXCoder> jthornton: I also has theory that I havent followed up and tested yet
[06:14:17] <XXCoder> tooltip definition starts at 0,0,0 and is pointing downwards
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[06:14:44] <XXCoder> so you gonna place part it will be attached to it there, group together, then tool moves with group
[06:15:34] <XXCoder> I hope its downwards, as it would be lot more fun if its upwards
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[06:32:53] <jthornton> XXCoder: that 15" touch screen is really nice and big enough I can see everything lol
[06:33:17] <XXCoder> for chicken door controls?
[06:33:58] <jthornton> for general RPi programming, the 7" one is for the chicken door as it will just have the stats and some manual buttons on it
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[06:38:46] <jthornton> going on a little vacation today to beaver lake arkansas
[06:38:58] <XXCoder> makes sense
[06:39:08] <XXCoder> yeah? having a nice vacation eh :(
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[06:39:12] <XXCoder> err :)
[06:40:47] <jthornton> yea just some get away time for us to relax
[06:41:04] <Deejay> going fishing?
[06:41:16] <XXCoder> nice. and yep people need that sometimes
[06:41:31] <jthornton> no, but that is a good fishing lake
[06:41:50] <Deejay> :) hope you have a good time
[06:42:29] <jthornton> https://www.arkansas.com
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[06:43:16] <Deejay> wow
[06:43:31] <jthornton> we are staying here http://pointewestmotel.com
[06:49:04] <XXCoder> jthornton: it runs!
[06:49:11] <XXCoder> testing stuff tho
[06:49:41] <jthornton> cool
[06:50:17] <XXCoder> running linuxcnc logo gcode now
[06:51:38] <XXCoder> its running! while I dont know where tool is pointing due to it being zero length, it works.
[06:51:52] <XXCoder> location looks correct tho
[06:52:06] <XXCoder> its exgraving at exact center of "tool holder"
[06:54:07] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com refresh
[06:55:57] <jthornton> making progress!
[06:57:00] <XXCoder> yeah. I should make table 100mm wider on both sides though so it dont look dangerously moving off y block lol
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[07:01:54] <XXCoder> its seriously gratifing to see machine run after hours of "building"
[07:04:47] <jthornton> we get this documented so anyone can follow along it will be much easier for newbee's to try linuxcnc
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[07:05:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:06:13] <XXCoder> 133 lines
[07:06:21] <XXCoder> thats how large my machine file is
[07:06:34] <XXCoder> granted, its heavily commented
[07:06:56] <jthornton> that's not that big
[07:07:14] <XXCoder> it is to me, since its 100% typed by me. not one line was copy pasted
[07:07:52] <XXCoder> im still not certain if work can be defined by linuxcnc
[07:07:58] <XXCoder> ie stock block
[07:08:15] <XXCoder> even with my discovery its hard to figure tool also
[07:08:29] <XXCoder> man
[07:08:51] <XXCoder> linuxcnc example should be split into "techinical examples" and "fun visual examples"
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[07:23:39] <XXCoder> umm
[07:23:59] <XXCoder> jthornton: maybe im a dumbass, I set g28 x500. and it goes there, but then returns to home?
[07:24:03] <XXCoder> what am I missing?
[07:25:35] <jthornton> G28 axes - makes a rapid move to the position specified by axes including any offsets, then will make a rapid move to the absolute position of the values in parameters 5161-5166 for all axes specified.
[07:26:10] <jthornton> what did you want it to do?
[07:26:17] <XXCoder> just move to end of table
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[07:27:16] <jthornton> G0 X500
[07:27:44] <XXCoder> that would work but wouldnt it go past if it wasnt at zero but bit to right?
[07:28:53] <jthornton> G28?
[07:29:17] <XXCoder> g28 g0 x500.?
[07:29:47] <XXCoder> note I understand gcode in most cases as its simple but I always thought g28 is simply use machine coord?
[07:30:06] <jthornton> G28 is go to predefined position I don't think you can use G0 on the same line
[07:30:27] <XXCoder> hmm I guess I wasnt understanding g28 correctly
[07:30:36] <jthornton> ah no G53 G0 X500 go to absolute position
[07:30:47] <jthornton> absolute machine position
[07:30:57] <XXCoder> ahh yeah. some machines has g53 as machine position
[07:31:02] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[07:31:05] <XXCoder> unfortunately not all
[07:31:15] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org
[07:31:56] <jthornton> yea once you get past G0 and G1 G code will change and even G0 can be different lol
[07:32:38] <XXCoder> I dont have any gcode exmaple that actually use tool height comp
[07:32:39] <XXCoder> h
[07:32:40] <jthornton> G0 some place in linuxcnc is a coordinated move while in my DX32 controller it is move Z first then move XY
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[07:36:32] <XXCoder> some machines at work its configurable
[07:36:49] <XXCoder> though I like z first because I hate xz or yz moves
[07:36:49] <jthornton> what is?
[07:37:00] <XXCoder> order of rapid to home
[07:37:20] <jthornton> that can be nice
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[07:40:05] <jthornton> I almost want to bring my RPi with the 7" monitor but can't think of a way to transfer via ssh from my laptop
[07:41:34] <Tom_L> morning
[07:41:37] <XXCoder> odd
[07:41:46] <XXCoder> something broken with my HAL or machine file
[07:42:04] <XXCoder> tool change causes excessive postive z movement
[07:43:07] <XXCoder> ah net tool-prep-loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
[07:43:09] <jthornton> morning
[07:43:13] <XXCoder> left over from axis example
[07:43:15] <XXCoder> hey Tom_L
[07:43:25] <XXCoder> did you see imgur link? pretty awesome
[07:43:33] <Tom_L> yes
[07:43:45] <Tom_L> pretty cool
[07:43:46] <XXCoder> how do I change those so it works?
[07:44:09] <Tom_L> take a look at andy's carousel demo
[07:44:36] <jthornton> hmm the internet says I can just connect the laptop to the RPi with a network cable and the RPi is smart enough to sort it out
[07:44:36] <Tom_L> don't remembe where it is off hand but it's out there
[07:45:01] <Tom_L> with a name like that....?
[07:45:26] <XXCoder> isnt that automated?
[07:45:29] <Tom_L> now maybe if it were apple pi or something..
[07:45:45] <Tom_L> err no, that name's taken
[07:46:09] <Tom_L> XXCoder i'm not sure
[07:47:31] <jthornton> VMC_Toolchange in the Axis Sim section
[07:47:36] <Tom_L> jthornton, goin thru eureka springs on the way?
[07:48:07] <jthornton> aye
[07:48:15] <Tom_L> couple interesting places there
[07:48:26] <jthornton> it's a few miles from where I'm staying and the only place to eat lol
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[07:51:12] <Tom_itx> log
[07:51:12] <russian_troll> Tom_itx: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net
[07:51:12] <c-log> Tom_itx: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[07:51:40] <Tom_itx> that's what i get for typing in the dark
[07:51:56] <Tom_itx> hit the damn 'windows' button and it shut the pc down
[07:52:47] <Tom_itx> i think the Kelly House is one
[07:53:26] <XXCoder> fixed hal
[07:55:14] <XXCoder> cds.ngc is good example
[07:55:17] <XXCoder> finally found one
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[07:56:51] <XXCoder> jthornton: only thing left is tooltip, as it doesnt change machine head position with tool length
[07:57:09] <XXCoder> so its still on surface of "collet"
[07:59:01] <XXCoder> what hbm does is have two pins:
[07:59:07] <XXCoder> c.newpin("tool-length", hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_IN) and other for diameter
[08:00:14] <XXCoder> in HAL it has this: setp hbmgui.tool-length 2
[08:00:27] <XXCoder> fixed size but theres also commented out code:
[08:00:32] <XXCoder> #net tool-len motion.tooloffset.w hbmgui.tool-length
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[08:10:18] <XXCoder> hey jthornton
[08:10:27] <XXCoder> you know what HAL entry is for tool diameter?
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[08:24:32] <weenerdog> howdy
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[08:26:05] <XXCoder> hey
[08:29:57] <weenerdog> what kinda stuff do you make?
[08:30:18] <XXCoder> me? lots random stuff I dont know anything about
[08:34:18] <weenerdog> cool
[08:36:31] <weenerdog> i'm weighing buy vs. build for a home setup.
[08:38:12] <weenerdog> or buy smaller one and use it to build a bigger one :)
[08:38:30] <XXCoder> yeah thats a possibility also. mill router or other?
[08:39:52] <weenerdog> router. i do intricate woodwork. and it starts with 3d drawings anyway. i just print the drawings as a topo map and rout right thru the paper to the line, reset depth, go to next line. making me kinda the nc controller :)
[08:40:26] <XXCoder> wood + router = easiest one you can do
[08:41:05] <weenerdog> ja it aint really rocket surgery. plenty of info.
[08:41:31] <gregcnc> have you checked to see what kind of machines are available?
[08:41:35] <weenerdog> yeah
[08:41:52] <gregcnc> is your time worth building one?
[08:43:22] <weenerdog> well i raise christmas trees and work in tourism so my winters are kinda idle. i have the time.
[08:44:10] <gregcnc> vs time making whatever the machine is going to make?
[08:44:46] <gregcnc> if it's business it's one thing, if it's starting as a hobby or testing the waters that's another
[08:45:58] <weenerdog> well i'm thinking buy the smallest that will do what i need to do immediately and use it to make a bigger one over time.
[08:46:28] <weenerdog> it is a business and a 2'x2' will pay for itself quickly
[08:47:42] <weenerdog> and the parts i will do with cnc are already nurbs surfaces, so thats in the bag
[08:49:08] <weenerdog> like i said, i just intersect the nurbs surfaces with planes at 1/32" intervals and print it out and route thru the paper. so i dont have to deal with getting my stuff ready to carve too much. cnc just makes sense. big time saver.
[08:50:13] <gregcnc> people do a lot with small routers. you know the scale of what you're doing and what it may be going forward
[08:50:48] <weenerdog> it needs to handle an archtop guitar body. i make them and mandolins.
[08:52:49] <gregcnc> are there multiple tools involved?
[08:53:40] <XXCoder> jthornton: man
[08:53:51] <XXCoder> it took forever for me to figure how the heck tool thing works
[08:54:06] <XXCoder> its still messed up but in least machine is displaying again
[08:54:27] <weenerdog> nah not really. one round nose router bit will do the part that would save me the biggest time
[08:55:12] <weenerdog> eventually i would like to automate more of the thing but carving the soundboards is the biggie. think a very precise dish front and back
[08:56:36] <Rab> weenerdog, what's the tool diameter? And do you use like a palm router, or a big 1.5HP thing?
[08:56:55] <weenerdog> big one now. but a palm router would do it
[08:56:59] <Rab> (This sounds like light work, but thought I'd ask)
[08:57:03] <weenerdog> it is
[08:57:10] <weenerdog> spruce and maple
[08:57:34] <weenerdog> like dat https://beta-static.photobucket.com
[08:58:03] <Rab> weenerdog, you say a 2x2 router would pay for itself quickly. Are you calculating that on a $1K machine cost, $2K, $5K?
[08:58:53] <weenerdog> doesn't matter really. they sell for a lot.
[08:59:27] <weenerdog> $2k, a couple pieces and i'd be flush
[08:59:27] <Rab> Do you have high production volume? Like are you bounded only by how fast you can produce now?
[08:59:30] <weenerdog> no
[09:00:03] <weenerdog> low. it takes me about 60 hrs of handwork each. thus my desire for a computer controlled employee :)
[09:00:23] <XXCoder> jthornton: almost got it! its engraving at correct spot, but tool cylinder is pointing other way!
[09:00:55] <Rab> weenerdog, for sure. But could you sell more if you could produce faster? I guess there's still considerable manual labor in sanding and finishing.
[09:01:41] <weenerdog> oh the soundboards would still have considerable handwork. i just want to do the rough carving.
[09:02:25] <weenerdog> https://beta-static.photobucket.com <--- the final work is i actually tune the whole assembly so each of those skinny braces produces a different specific tone when tapped.
[09:03:16] <weenerdog> and now you know more than the average bear about how a mandolin is put together :)
[09:03:23] <XXCoder> its working! yay :) now to test it with defined tool info rather than hardcoded
[09:03:55] <Rab> weenerdog, I suppose I would steer away from a DIY project unless that's interesting to you. It could take months or a year to have a usable machine, and that activity will take time from your actual business. Any money saved would be canceled out by lost production, and then some.
[09:04:27] <weenerdog> well it would certainly be a detour
[09:04:34] <Rab> weenerdog, nice. Any pics of finished instruments?
[09:04:40] <weenerdog> sure
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[09:05:27] <weenerdog> https://beta-static.photobucket.com
[09:05:36] <weenerdog> https://beta-static.photobucket.com
[09:06:49] <Rab> weenerdog, cool!
[09:07:19] <weenerdog> but i have other things i'd like to make as well
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[09:07:45] <weenerdog> complex little things :)
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[09:10:40] <XXCoder> jthornton: help? lol
[09:10:49] <XXCoder> hey gloops making big progress but having problems
[09:11:15] <XXCoder> i can't find ANY hal entry to get tool diamerter
[09:11:19] <XXCoder> only length
[09:11:58] <gloops> good XXCoder - about the progress, not the problems lol
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[09:15:11] <miss0r> When was the last time anyone saw diverdude in here?
[09:15:44] <gloops> hmm, cant say ive noticed him for a week or so
[09:15:52] <MarcelineVQ> nov 05
[09:20:50] <XXCoder> motion.tooloffset.diam dont exist though it is part of tool offset table
[09:20:55] <XXCoder> x to w, diam etc
[09:22:52] <XXCoder> tool length updates work now!
[09:23:04] <XXCoder> if only I knew how to get tool diameter or radius
[09:23:12] <XXCoder> then it is done period lol
[09:23:43] <weenerdog> that last 100 yards :)
[09:23:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:24:47] <XXCoder> for lols I have set radius to velocity
[09:26:01] <XXCoder> lol
[09:26:05] <XXCoder> its changing with speed
[09:26:15] <XXCoder> imange the nightmare for machinists if that was true
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[09:28:12] <gloops> hmm, mrs away for weekend, made a big batch of stuff for meatballs, took some with her left me the rest, been frying it as burgers, not sure how long one should eat burgers for every meal for lol
[09:28:22] <weenerdog> once upon a time i ran wire edms and had a comedian in the office upstairs who did things to make life interesting, xx
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[09:28:53] <weenerdog> gloops, til its gone
[09:29:00] <XXCoder> lol
[09:29:05] <gloops> yeah thats what i thought
[09:29:15] <weenerdog> damn i bet meatball burgers are good
[09:29:38] <weenerdog> you just got about 1000 man points for that one
[09:29:50] <MarcelineVQ> XXCoder: are you trying to get the dia from the tool table?
[09:30:03] <XXCoder> in HAL yeah
[09:30:20] <XXCoder> motion.tooloffset.z is for z offset, but theres nothing on diameter so far
[09:31:17] <weenerdog> there is no screw off job like 2nd shift wire operator.
[09:31:34] <XXCoder> its probably not in tooloffset group but there is NO listing of aviliable info anywhere anyway
[09:33:06] <XXCoder> umm http://www.machinekit.io
[09:35:53] <MarcelineVQ> in 2.8+ halui has tool diameter info http://linuxcnc.org I don't know where it gets that from though
[09:36:39] <XXCoder> halui.tool.diameter
[09:36:41] <XXCoder> might work
[09:37:09] <XXCoder> looks like no
[09:38:04] <MarcelineVQ> What is the goal?
[09:38:32] <XXCoder> somehow get diameter value in HAL
[09:38:41] <XXCoder> so my machine can correctly display tool diameter
[09:40:05] <XXCoder> it does exist apparently
[09:40:12] <XXCoder> halui anyway
[09:40:25] <XXCoder> diameter one dont seem to work though or maybe im just using it wronmg
[09:41:22] <MarcelineVQ> check tool number to see if it's looking at the right one, then check to see if that dia is filled in on the tool table. that's all I got hehe, never done that stuff myself
[09:41:45] <MarcelineVQ> fwiw found that hal info via grep -ira "diam" ./docs/man
[09:42:52] <XXCoder> in what directory?
[09:43:08] <MarcelineVQ> the linuxcnc source dir
[09:43:21] <MarcelineVQ> rather, the main dir of linuxcnc if you grab the source
[09:43:25] <MarcelineVQ> not like, src/ dir
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[09:46:27] <XXCoder> it needs NMI file
[09:46:33] <XXCoder> *NML
[09:46:38] <XXCoder> dunno what it ius
[09:46:48] <gregcnc> tool diameter is in the tool table, where else could it come from?
[09:47:20] <XXCoder> gregcnc: yeah but I cant find a way to get it in HAL
[09:47:28] <XXCoder> so it can send info to vismach to render
[09:47:43] <XXCoder> lthis one works correctly for length:
[09:47:45] <XXCoder> net tool_len motion.tooloffset.z rolfmill.toollength
[09:48:13] <XXCoder> I tried similiar but with d, dia or diam but didnt work
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[09:54:37] <XXCoder> yes!
[09:54:42] <XXCoder> halmeter
[09:54:47] <XXCoder> it shows all possible pins
[09:58:45] <XXCoder> none of em is radius or diameter.
[09:59:21] <gregcnc> 5410?
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[09:59:40] <XXCoder> 5410?
[10:00:26] <weenerdog> whut about 'width'?
[10:05:12] <XXCoder> gregcnc: so thats tool diameter parameter?
[10:05:19] <XXCoder> how do I access it in HAL if so?
[10:07:14] <XXCoder> tried #5410, says pin required, not given
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[10:18:14] <XXCoder> man apparently halui.tool.number exists but not diameter
[10:19:51] <MarcelineVQ> wonder if it's a version discrepency
[10:20:15] <XXCoder> hmm what is \f special charactor of?
[10:20:17] <MarcelineVQ> could be worth checking with a newer version
[10:20:45] <MarcelineVQ> https://en.wikipedia.org
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[10:21:13] <XXCoder> oh. well this is page been reading https://github.com
[10:21:15] <MarcelineVQ> that escape characters depend on the langguage
[10:21:19] <MarcelineVQ> *though escape
[10:21:50] <MarcelineVQ> But is that the version of software you have
[10:22:12] <XXCoder> a second
[10:22:48] <XXCoder> 2.7.14-47
[10:23:20] <MarcelineVQ> you goofer, I said earlier that documentation is for 2.8 and newer :>
[10:23:53] <XXCoder> isnt 2.28 still unstable?
[10:23:57] <XXCoder> 2.8
[10:24:07] <XXCoder> so there is nothing for 2.7?
[10:24:09] <MarcelineVQ> dev doesn't mean unstable, though it does mean the potential is higher
[10:25:05] <MarcelineVQ> Realistically it can also means the potential is lower, come to think of it. dev just means things are being changed more often
[10:25:18] <XXCoder> gmoccapy.tool-diameter doesnt work either drat
[10:26:23] <Tom_itx> you're not cutting chips so i'd use 2.8 for your testing
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[10:26:36] <Tom_itx> even so, i think 2.8 would cut chips
[10:26:48] <XXCoder> I dont want examples that specify latest only
[10:27:02] <XXCoder> I suppose can always just set tool diameter to 10 and leave it there
[10:27:28] <XXCoder> with commented out halai diameter line
[10:27:49] <XXCoder> can HAL grab any of gcode parameter like 5410?
[10:30:14] <XXCoder> lol https://forum.linuxcnc.org this is exactly opposite direction
[10:31:12] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org
[10:31:26] <XXCoder> indeed
[10:31:34] <XXCoder> its for usage in gcode unfortunately not hal file
[10:31:40] <XXCoder> unless im wrong
[10:31:54] <Tom_itx> why do you need it in the hal file?
[10:32:09] <XXCoder> vismach tool display
[10:32:15] <XXCoder> I got length down but not diameter
[10:32:25] <Tom_itx> how did you do length?
[10:32:36] <XXCoder> net tool_len motion.tooloffset.z rolfmill.toollength
[10:34:54] <Tom_itx> have you tried using x or y?
[10:35:10] <XXCoder> would that change with diameter? ok ill try
[10:35:17] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[10:35:21] <Tom_itx> but it's in that workplane
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[10:40:10] <XXCoder> guess not
[10:40:36] <Tom_itx> it doesn't alter the diameter, rather the path offset so i can see why it wouldn't work
[10:42:10] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org moton group
[10:43:03] <jthornton> XXCoder: I'll catch up with you this evening, loading up the car to head out
[10:43:11] <XXCoder> jthornton: later :)
[10:43:24] <Tom_itx> have fun
[10:47:41] <Tom_itx> length is a part of motion but diameter is a mystery to me
[10:48:13] <XXCoder> 2.8 does seem to have HAL for diameter
[10:48:16] <XXCoder> but not 2.7
[10:48:18] <weenerdog> that has to be frustrating
[10:50:18] <MarcelineVQ> 2.8 reads it right from the tooltable https://github.com
[10:50:59] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:51:18] <XXCoder> can HAL handle differently based on linuxcnc version?
[10:51:41] <XXCoder> say if 2.7 just give fixed diameter, if 2.8 use this line?
[10:52:08] <MarcelineVQ> you could, with python, maybe with haltcl. I'm not sure since I don't know how to use tcl
[10:53:36] <MarcelineVQ> https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org
[10:54:49] <XXCoder> hmm cool but ill just set fixed size and comment out the 2.8 versionb
[10:54:56] <XXCoder> show what is possible in 2.7 as well as 2.8
[10:55:45] <Tom_itx> you're not in the devel channel are you?
[10:55:51] <XXCoder> no
[10:56:11] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81
[10:56:16] <Tom_itx> last comment
[10:57:02] <Tom_itx> but you can't address G codes from hal can you?
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[10:57:32] <XXCoder> yeah and special gcode in order to make vismach work slightly better isnt really worth effort also
[10:57:52] <Tom_itx> read the var from hal
[10:57:57] <Tom_itx> #5410
[10:58:11] <XXCoder> how do I do that?
[11:01:11] <Tom_itx> when hal is started there are not tools loaded so the value would be zero anyway
[11:01:18] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure there is a way
[11:01:37] <Tom_itx> s/not/no
[11:02:28] <Tom_itx> i think you may be stuck giving it an arbitrary value
[11:02:43] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:02:56] <XXCoder> with that gone whats left is work.
[11:03:02] <XXCoder> I dont know what to do with that
[11:03:27] <XXCoder> no examples so far I know does besides call Collect()
[11:03:39] <Tom_itx> however you said motion worked
[11:03:48] <Tom_itx> so where is motion getting the value from?
[11:04:08] <XXCoder> its a existing pin
[11:04:14] <Tom_itx> if there is no tool loaded yet
[11:04:23] <XXCoder> oh its just set to zero
[11:04:31] <XXCoder> so tool is showing as zero length
[11:04:33] <Tom_itx> as is the diameter :)
[11:05:00] <XXCoder> yeah. unfortunately there is no diameter pin
[11:05:05] <Tom_itx> make 2 vars at the top of your file and let the user define them prior to running
[11:05:06] <XXCoder> unless its 2.8 version
[11:06:14] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org
[11:06:17] <Tom_itx> for 2.8
[11:06:43] <Tom_itx> i dunno what motion.eoffset is for
[11:07:08] <XXCoder> external offset. weird
[11:07:22] <XXCoder> halui.tool.diameter is aviliable in 2.8
[11:07:33] <XXCoder> gmoccapy.tool-diameter is unknown
[11:07:40] <XXCoder> didnt exist on my 2.7 though
[11:08:42] <Tom_itx> so they saw a need for it and added it in 2.8
[11:08:49] <XXCoder> apparently yeah
[11:09:58] <Tom_itx> so write a comp to add that pin and load it in 2.7
[11:10:03] <Tom_itx> :)
[11:10:42] <XXCoder> how?
[11:10:56] <XXCoder> unfortunately I learned a lot about how vismach works but not HAL side
[11:11:10] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org
[11:11:14] <MarcelineVQ> Why even bother with pins if you're using a fixed size
[11:11:27] <Tom_itx> that's kinda my point
[11:11:53] <MarcelineVQ> this is for http://linuxcnc.org yeah? Can't you just define the part size to what you want?
[11:12:01] <XXCoder> marc yeah I left diameter in anyway as its supported in 2.8, just uncomment and comment other one
[11:12:11] <XXCoder> length works fine though
[11:14:17] <Tom_itx> https://github.com
[11:14:28] <Tom_itx> i think that's andy's carousel demo
[11:14:48] <Tom_itx> may or may not help any
[11:15:27] <XXCoder> yeah though he didnt actually display tool
[11:15:29] <XXCoder> mine does
[11:15:38] <XXCoder> it took me quite a while to figure how
[11:15:53] <XXCoder> biggest help is hbm even with tough to figure code
[11:18:07] <XXCoder> heh I expected to do this for week or more
[11:18:09] <XXCoder> not just one day
[11:18:22] <XXCoder> though it needs LOT of polishing before I make it tutorial
[11:18:27] <XXCoder> some of comments are messy
[11:18:58] <XXCoder> holy cow its 8 am
[11:19:03] <XXCoder> I normally sleep at 4
[11:19:11] <XXCoder> nig err morning all
[11:19:13] <XXCoder> laters
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[11:32:25] <gloops> i can see youre getting into it now XXCoder lol
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[13:14:43] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
[13:14:49] <flyback> OWNS YOUR "CANUCK"
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[13:33:24] <sensille> Loetmichel: do you think this machine is a waste of money? https://www.ebay.de
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[13:49:57] <CaptHindsight> I'd say the Mach3 part is a waste of money
[13:50:17] <sensille> or this one? https://www.aliexpress.com
[13:50:30] <sensille> it would help to know what to look for :-/
[13:50:32] <CaptHindsight> as far as the rest it depends on what you want to do with it
[13:50:41] <sensille> milling aluminum
[13:51:08] <sensille> but i have time, so slow is good enough
[13:51:25] <CaptHindsight> milling aluminum <2mm thick?
[13:51:47] <sensille> no, but taking it in 2mm steps or smaller
[13:52:05] <sensille> or 0.2mm
[13:52:31] <CaptHindsight> it's difficult to tell from pictures from China
[13:52:41] <sensille> does the thickness matter if i don't wan't to mill it in one go?
[13:52:54] <CaptHindsight> they often ship something that looks similar
[13:53:07] <CaptHindsight> but not with the exact features shown
[13:53:32] <sensille> is there a known good source?
[13:53:33] <CaptHindsight> the big difference I've found with cheap Chine routers is how they fix the ballscrews
[13:53:40] <CaptHindsight> NO
[13:54:42] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc this one did bot have threads or nuts on the ends of the ballscrews
[13:54:59] <CaptHindsight> they just float and have ~1mm of end play
[13:55:35] <CaptHindsight> https://postlmg.cc and they arrive with rusty fasteners
[13:57:15] <CaptHindsight> the bearings are often crunchy, like their shop has dirt floors and they store the bearing in sand before assembly
[13:57:56] <CaptHindsight> https://postlmg.cc so you have to spend a few days cleaning and squaring everything
[13:58:21] <gregcnc> but other than that....
[13:58:32] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc
[14:01:05] <CaptHindsight> Newton's Third Law https://www.physicsclassroom.com
[14:01:26] <sensille> does mach3 actually cost money? "please don't upgrade the software" sounds like i at least don't spend any extra on it :P
[14:01:30] <CaptHindsight> some assume that the router has magical qualities of infinite stiffness
[14:04:08] <CaptHindsight> look for a router that has adjustment for the bearing preload on the ballscrews
[14:05:31] <sensille> do they have that in that price range? or is it easier to replace the nut later on?
[14:06:27] <CaptHindsight> nut, some don't have nuts or the threads on the screws
[14:06:55] <CaptHindsight> some show the nuts in the pics but arrive without the threads or nuts
[14:09:16] <CaptHindsight> https://ae01.alicdn.com you can see the nut on the front of this one
[14:09:45] <CaptHindsight> https://ae01.alicdn.com and on the side here
[14:11:29] <CaptHindsight> some arrive with the connectors like this https://postimg.cc
[14:11:43] <CaptHindsight> not a strain relief
[14:12:27] <CaptHindsight> often they could have assembled it properly, but did not know how or did not care to
[14:14:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.linearmotiontips.com
[14:14:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.linearmotiontips.com
[14:15:22] <sensille> yeah, i understand the preload part, from the theory
[14:15:52] <sensille> gregcnc: other than that?
[14:16:10] <CaptHindsight> he jokes
[14:16:26] <CaptHindsight> since I mention that most of the machine is crap
[14:16:29] <sensille> hm
[14:17:11] <CaptHindsight> "other than that, how was you time in the concentration camp?"
[14:17:21] <CaptHindsight> you/your
[14:19:02] <sensille> there are so many good reviews of the machines on youtube, but mostly 'see, it mills, isn't it beautiful'
[14:20:23] <sensille> so do i have a chance to get a decent machine in that price range? building myself would be ok, but i wouldn't trust myself to make the plans for it
[14:20:53] <CaptHindsight> are you making artwork or precision parts?
[14:21:20] <sensille> functional parts
[14:23:03] <sensille> i don't know where 'precision' starts, but 0.1mm would be great for a start
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[14:32:10] <sensille> maybe something like this makes more sense: https://www.ebay.de
[14:32:23] <sensille> used without controller, but with motors
[14:33:44] <gregcnc> that's an interesting design
[14:40:34] <CaptHindsight> probably selling it since it's such a wiggly cantilever
[14:43:36] <CaptHindsight> all fine designs for "routering" or for non contact (dispensing, printing, etc)
[14:45:13] <sensille> there are not that many options for used ones in that price range... https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de
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[14:46:26] <CaptHindsight> possibly the stiffest one so far but who knows how they assembled it
[14:49:34] <sensille> but quite small
[14:51:00] <sensille> (which is probably good for stiffness)
[14:53:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.ebay.de there might be enough parts here to make this work
[14:54:19] <gambakufu> you're doing it wrong. judging by his name, you should be asking for CaptHindsigh's opinion after you've bought the machine.
[14:55:30] <CaptHindsight> ceratinly
[14:55:48] <sensille> you mean rebuilding a new machine from those parts?
[14:55:53] <CaptHindsight> I would have gotten something else or modified that last link
[14:57:20] <Loetmichel> sensille: that machine is about the same i have two of
[14:57:40] <Loetmichel> the rotation axis is a bit different, but that isnt that good anyways
[14:57:47] <CaptHindsight> support the other end of the cantilever,so it's a gantry
[14:57:51] <Loetmichel> the rest is pretty much the same
[14:58:00] <CaptHindsight> rotate the Z 90 deg
[14:58:16] <Loetmichel> the machine youi linked to me above
[14:59:02] <Loetmichel> one of them does its job well at my company now for over six years, and i think it was QUITE well worth the 2000 eur the company paid back then
[14:59:57] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: the Mach3 copy "sold" with them is a pirated version anyways. best to be discarded immediatly after copying of the config files of the CD to convert to linuxCNC
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[15:30:38] <tiwake> hmm
[15:31:03] <tiwake> I kind of need a cellphone case thats good for not getting metal shavings on the phone
[15:31:31] <tiwake> for the xperia xa2
[15:32:01] <CaptHindsight> plastic bag?
[15:32:09] <tiwake> iunno
[15:35:16] <CaptHindsight> it works, low cost, not stylish, replace weekly
[15:36:19] <CaptHindsight> I bought a few leather jackets to wear while welding...
[15:36:41] <CaptHindsight> all i have to do is remember to wear one when doing so
[15:37:04] <MarcelineVQ> and to cut the backs out? that gets hot pretty quick
[15:37:31] <CaptHindsight> i could, they were ~$3ea used
[15:38:27] <CaptHindsight> the flame resistant welding shirts are >$40ea
[15:40:04] <CaptHindsight> was doing some overhead MIG last night, my shirt looks like it will fall apart in the wash
[15:44:45] <Rab> I used a ziploc bag to keep desert sand out of my phone, worked great. Capacitive touchscreen worked through the bag.
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[15:49:22] <Loetmichel> yes, i would have said "ziplock bag", too
[15:49:32] <Loetmichel> @ tiwake
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[15:51:07] <Loetmichel> if you get a bigger one ans "soldering iron weld" it to your exact phone size it will not even look that different
[15:51:45] <Loetmichel> just push all the air out before closing and it will be nearly invisible but for the actual zipper at one ned
[15:54:22] <andypugh> Well, the £150 portable bandsaw from Aldi did its first real job today. 12 cuys through 60x60x4mm box section with the original blade, and no sign of trouble.
[15:54:36] <andypugh> Making this table: https://photos.app.goo.gl
[15:54:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:55:46] <andypugh> You can tell I am running out of space, the main design criterion for this fly-press stand was that my bicycle had to fit underneath it… https://photos.app.goo.gl
[16:03:44] <Loetmichel> andypugh: fly press?
[16:03:49] <Loetmichel> interesting
[16:04:11] <andypugh> I drilled a bunch of holes in the legs to use for a hydraulic press later.
[16:04:14] <Loetmichel> i would have taken a wager taht that be a rack/pinion type press
[16:04:34] <andypugh> I have a lot of silicone caskets to punch out.
[16:04:40] <andypugh> (gaskets)
[16:05:29] * Loetmichel was trying to imagine a casket made of silicone... Tupperware suddenly came to mind ;)
[16:06:18] <Tom_itx> andypugh do you know a way to read the tool diameter of the current tool in the hal file?
[16:06:33] <Tom_itx> other than 2.8 (they added a pin)
[16:06:44] <Tom_itx> in motion
[16:07:32] <andypugh> Create a component that creates a HAL pin that reports the diameter?
[16:07:40] <Tom_itx> :)
[16:08:05] <Tom_itx> i suppose i could see what they did in 2.8 and duplicate it as a single comp
[16:08:51] <Tom_itx> XXCoder was trying to do something with a vismach demo
[16:09:13] <Tom_itx> and wanted to show the tool
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[16:09:41] <andypugh> linuxcnc.stat().tool_offset looks like it has what you want. (if userspace is acceptable for this)
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[16:11:38] <andypugh> As a workaround, copy the diamter into the (largely pointless) tool A-offset and use the haui.tool-offset.a pin
[16:14:05] <Tom_itx> i'll have to wait til he wakes up and see
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[16:17:43] <Tom_itx> are there docs on linuxcnc.stat().tool_offset somewhere?
[16:17:48] <Tom_itx> i'm not finding it
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[16:19:36] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org
[16:20:06] <andypugh> It just says “it’s a tuple” so I guess you will need to look at the tuple to see which is which.
[16:20:09] <Tom_itx> thanks i was looking under the comp doc
[16:21:07] <Tom_itx> odd it took this long to add that pin to motion
[16:21:36] <andypugh> Yes, considering that we have had the tool A-offset for years. I wonder if anyone has _ever_ used angular tool offsets?
[16:21:54] <Tom_itx> maybe for a lathe?
[16:22:06] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't know how really
[16:22:53] <Tom_itx> i told him just to add a length and diameter var in the demo file
[16:23:15] <Tom_itx> he did get the length read from the tool table using motion
[16:23:32] <Tom_itx> but when hal starts it's still always gonna be zero
[16:23:46] <Tom_itx> since no tool was selected yet
[16:24:42] <andypugh> Yes, that’s something of a problem with tools whatever you do. The tool offset data propogates oddly. Exactly as required, but maybe not as you might expect.
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[16:34:51] <Deejay> re
[16:59:37] <{HD}> My 3mm 1flutes showed up should I complain? https://i.imgur.com
[17:00:51] <andypugh> Well, they do appear to have one flute..
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[17:05:35] <gloops> theyre the unbreakable ones that cut anything and never wear out right?
[17:07:39] <MarcelineVQ> they must be, if they're that hard to grind
[17:08:27] <gloops> slight variance on the bevel on the top
[17:08:54] <MarcelineVQ> the single pointers are for sheet metal ;>
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[17:09:46] <gloops> i use the downcuts, good for a sharp edge on top, if thats what you want
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[17:14:03] <gloops> theyre also usually 3.175?
[17:15:05] <{HD}> Yes 3.175 and they have corrosion on 3 of the 10
[17:15:23] <gloops> that will soon rub off when theyre cutting
[17:15:54] <{HD}> Good to know. I’ve not used single flutes before. I have a bunch of 2 flute stuff.
[17:18:46] <gloops> someone in here visits china occasionally he says the conditions this stuff is kept in are a real eye opener
[17:19:14] <gloops> some photos - your ballscrews and tooling is strewn about in open boxes or just heaps outide
[17:19:18] <MarcelineVQ> well, there's a reason you don't buy bearings off ali
[17:19:57] <{HD}> Wow
[17:21:06] <gloops> but at a tenth of the cost, whos going to complain
[17:23:01] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:27:15] <{HD}> Not me. I have chinese ball screws and they are fine.
[17:29:12] <gloops> i got them too, no problems so far, for what i do anyway
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[17:32:12] <JT-Shop> test
[17:32:26] <JT-Shop> lol left jthornton online
[17:45:21] <XXCoder> hey all
[17:57:46] <XXCoder> andypugh: dont seem able to use import linuxcnc in HAL
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[18:02:53] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: how was trip
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[18:11:44] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: tool length thankfully updates as tool changes
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[18:13:27] <XXCoder> had a probably dumb idea
[18:13:38] <XXCoder> try linuxcnc.stat in vismach
[18:13:56] <MarcelineVQ> well that's just silly
[18:14:08] <XXCoder> no error
[18:14:15] <XXCoder> now to make it actually grab data
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[18:38:30] <XXCoder> dammit I may have finally done it, BUT apparently tool change freezes linuxcnc even when I disable tool length and diameter code
[18:38:39] <XXCoder> so something is broken in my HAL
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[18:41:05] <andypugh> I am not sure what you mean by “import linuxcnc in HAL”
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[18:41:27] <andypugh> HAL is a script, it runs once to connect the pins, then never again.
[18:41:38] <XXCoder> yeah that didnt work so I removed it and tried it in vismach file. worked
[18:42:01] <XXCoder> im havung different issue, linuxcnc almost freezes on tool change so trying to fix hal
[18:43:08] <XXCoder> tried to use this for HAL http://linuxcnc.org but didnt work
[18:43:22] <XXCoder> iocontrol.0.tool−change dont exist it says
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[18:43:52] <andypugh> That’s wierd
[18:44:13] <andypugh> Where are you trying to link to it?
[18:44:18] <XXCoder> a second
[18:44:46] <andypugh> I am noy sure when iocontrol gets loaded, but you probably have to wait until after motion is loaded
[18:44:48] <XXCoder> http://dpaste.com
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[18:46:23] <andypugh> Put “show pin” above the problem line, to get a list of all the pins that do exist at that point in time.
[18:47:09] <XXCoder> just show pin by itself?
[18:47:28] <XXCoder> oh nice
[18:48:22] <XXCoder> it showed in list
[18:48:33] <XXCoder> the pin it says it dont exist? looking again making sure it is same
[18:48:45] <XXCoder> wish I can copy off error window.
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[18:50:09] <andypugh> You can
[18:50:14] <XXCoder> 6 bit IN FALSE iocontrol.0.tool-changed ./rolfmill.hal:52: Pin 'iocontrol.0.tool−change' does not exist
[18:50:22] <andypugh> Ctrl-A / Ctrl-C
[18:50:24] <XXCoder> yeah only if entire window
[18:50:36] <XXCoder> not just one line. so I jus lol yeah
[18:50:39] <XXCoder> exactly that
[18:51:10] <andypugh> changed / chenge
[18:51:22] <andypugh> changed / change I mean
[18:51:30] <andypugh> But there should be both.
[18:51:42] <XXCoder> interesting. changing
[18:52:53] <andypugh> There should be a tool-change which is motion requesting a tool change, then you set tool-changed to tell it that the change is done
[18:53:18] <andypugh> If you have changed but not change then something very odd has happened
[18:54:54] <XXCoder> both change and changed exist and from what I see usage direction is correct also
[18:55:25] <XXCoder> if I remove entire hal section on tool change then linuxcnc works but super lags
[18:57:11] <andypugh> your tool-change has an em-dash (hex e2) rather than hyphen (hex 2d)
[18:57:30] <XXCoder> bleh lol ok
[18:58:31] <XXCoder> different error yay
[18:58:40] <andypugh> Don’t know how that happened, perhaps copying and pasting from a web page?
[18:58:49] <XXCoder> says pin already exists
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[18:58:55] <XXCoder> indeed that was what I did lol
[19:00:04] <XXCoder> ./rolfmill.hal:52: Signal 'tool-change' can not add OUT pin 'hal_manualtoolchange.changed', it already has OUT pin 'iocontrol.0.tool-change'
[19:01:48] <XXCoder> oops fixed
[19:02:09] <XXCoder> just removed d at end
[19:04:19] <XXCoder> different error now, in linuxcnc "linear move on line 0 would exceed joint 2 postive limit"
[19:04:31] <XXCoder> I guess parking for tool change is in some postive number?
[19:04:37] <XXCoder> if so how do I change it>
[19:05:29] <andypugh> Are you homed and touched-of?
[19:05:39] <XXCoder> homed but not touched off
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[19:05:47] <XXCoder> just did mdi t1m6
[19:06:18] <andypugh> Try touching off.
[19:06:31] <XXCoder> just did same error
[19:06:44] <andypugh> (either that or tool 1 has a really long length)
[19:06:56] <XXCoder> hmm might be it a second
[19:07:26] <XXCoder> length is 30mm
[19:07:39] <andypugh> No chance it is 30 inches?
[19:07:46] <XXCoder> nah its metric machine
[19:08:06] <XXCoder> diameter correctly showed size when it was working (hardcoded diameter)
[19:08:23] <XXCoder> length that is lol
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[19:11:31] <andypugh> Do you have LOOL_CHANGE_AT…… in the INI?
[19:11:54] <XXCoder> no, I guess that might be reason?
[19:12:10] <andypugh> No, if you don’t it isn’t that. Probably
[19:12:25] <XXCoder> or maybe I do have to define it to 0?
[19:12:36] <XXCoder> maybe default is some postive number
[19:12:47] <andypugh> Does it say that regardless of where your Z axis is when you command the tool change?
[19:12:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:13:17] <XXCoder> tried various positions and also touched off at various places no change
[19:14:09] <andypugh> I assume it’s the same if you have the tool change in G-code rather than MDI?
[19:14:19] <XXCoder> is this applicable? http://linuxcnc.org
[19:14:30] <XXCoder> change position select
[19:14:50] <andypugh> I don’t know. Are you using Gmoccapy?
[19:15:12] <XXCoder> hmm dont think so no, using axis
[19:15:18] <andypugh> Gmoccapy does a number of things in the GUI that I don’t think belong in the GUI
[19:15:45] <XXCoder> how do i define tool change position anyway
[19:16:39] <andypugh> It’s all in the INI config page
[19:17:00] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org
[19:17:09] <XXCoder> TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION = 0 0 2
[19:17:43] <andypugh> Hmm, is 2 actually inside the limits?
[19:18:24] <XXCoder> z is 0 or negative
[19:18:32] <XXCoder> 0 is highest it can go
[19:18:53] <andypugh> Ah, well, there you are then...
[19:19:00] <XXCoder> found it
[19:19:14] <XXCoder> its very last line so no wonder I missed it in ini file
[19:20:22] <XXCoder> worked
[19:23:09] <XXCoder> andypugh: diameter worked! but length is broken just gonna fix that
[19:39:13] <XXCoder> know what I hate about manual tool change? it always goes to wrong montior
[19:46:03] <XXCoder> andypugh: works!
[19:46:09] <XXCoder> diameter and length both
[19:46:13] <andypugh> Cool
[19:46:48] <XXCoder> for some reason motion stopped working so I used .tool_table[s.tool_in_spindle]. ... for both
[19:47:35] <XXCoder> hmm table tool is in diameter not radius correct?
[19:48:43] <XXCoder> diameter it looks like
[19:50:11] <XXCoder> just unsure if CylinderZ uses radius or diameter. looks like radius so far..
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[20:02:30] <JT-Shop> hola
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[20:05:08] <XXCoder> hey
[20:05:16] <infornography> ello
[20:05:48] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: did you figure out anything?
[20:10:20] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:10:27] <XXCoder> habign problems with motion.tooloffset.z
[20:10:31] <XXCoder> but mostly working
[20:10:55] <XXCoder> halmeter shows that as zero all time now
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[20:12:13] <JT-Shop> try show hal watch window
[20:13:03] <XXCoder> where do i get that?
[20:13:18] <JT-Shop> trying to connect to the RPi with an ethernet cable lol
[20:13:25] <JT-Shop> in
[20:13:28] <JT-Shop> axis
[20:13:49] <XXCoder> hal configuration?
[20:14:05] <JT-Shop> yea
[20:14:46] <JT-Shop> hmm I thought I had the rt preempt kernel installed on this laptop
[20:16:04] <XXCoder> it stays at 0
[20:17:04] <JT-Shop> hmm offset should only change when you touch off
[20:18:17] <XXCoder> touched off still 0
[20:18:30] <gregcnc> G43 HXX?
[20:18:52] <JT-Shop> I usually to Tn M6 G43
[20:18:56] <gregcnc> IT MAY NOT READ IT UNTIL TOLD
[20:18:59] <gregcnc> oops
[20:19:06] <XXCoder> hmm maybe im an moron a second
[20:19:26] <XXCoder> confirmed im a moron
[20:19:42] <andypugh> That was a fast confirmation
[20:19:45] <XXCoder> g53h1 worked
[20:19:48] <JT-Shop> lol
[20:19:59] <XXCoder> :)
[20:20:16] <XXCoder> it is finally done besides massive cleanup
[20:21:23] * JT-Shop is FD & H
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[20:37:19] <XXCoder> hey andypugh can I name pins for axis anything besides joint0 .. 2?
[20:37:28] <XXCoder> i want name to be more olvious
[20:38:02] <andypugh> The pins are called what they are called. Changing the names means recompiling.
[20:38:11] <JT-Shop> you can name them anything you like except names that are used
[20:38:18] <XXCoder> c.newpin("joint0", hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_IN) #x
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[20:55:02] <Tom_itx> so XXCoder how did you get diameter to work?
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[20:55:17] <XXCoder> rad = s.tool_table[s.tool_in_spindle].diameter #workaround for 2.7
[20:55:36] <Tom_L> what is s. ?
[20:55:48] <XXCoder> s = linuxcnc.stat()
[20:55:56] <Tom_L> ok
[20:56:14] <Tom_L> so is there a description of linuxcnc.stat() output somewhere>
[20:56:15] <Tom_L> ?
[20:56:40] <XXCoder> yeah its a long list of many different stuff
[20:56:51] <Tom_L> in the docs anywhere?
[20:56:57] <XXCoder> yeah looking still
[20:57:07] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org
[20:57:20] <XXCoder> apparently it works in vismach file
[20:57:44] <XXCoder> so for physical respention of tool I use diameter and tool length
[20:58:07] <XXCoder> but it uses motion one for placement of where tip is. so if h gcode is missing, it would crash
[20:58:13] <XXCoder> ie get tool below table
[20:58:24] <XXCoder> just like real machine really
[20:58:27] <Tom_L> that list should appear in the linuxcnc comp
[20:58:51] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org
[20:58:57] <Tom_L> but it doesn't
[20:58:58] <XXCoder> theres easy way to get diameter by comp.. un 2.8
[20:59:09] <XXCoder> 2.7 does not have one
[20:59:11] <Tom_L> i know, it's a pin in motion
[20:59:16] <Tom_L> i realize that
[21:00:23] <XXCoder> okay now testing theory I had above
[21:00:48] <XXCoder> okay t3m6 has long and fairly thin tool
[21:00:51] <XXCoder> its showing
[21:01:05] <XXCoder> now to run it with gcode that doesnt have g43h3
[21:02:32] <XXCoder> heh tooltip marking is way above toop end
[21:03:27] <XXCoder> HMM looks like tooltip placement calcuation is slightly off
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[21:06:05] <XXCoder> fixed.
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[21:21:08] <XXCoder> jthornton: editing is so much fun lol
[21:21:22] <XXCoder> Tom_L: its looking very nice now lol still working on it though
[21:21:36] <Tom_L> glad you figured it out
[21:24:21] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:24:27] <XXCoder> tooltip is now very solved
[21:24:50] <XXCoder> work is only remaining total unknown. I left it as just point like all other examples.
[21:25:07] <XXCoder> I suspect it should be way for linuxcnc where stock is
[21:25:13] <XXCoder> and what size etc but...
[21:26:15] <Tom_L> is a tuple just an array?
[21:26:21] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:26:29] <XXCoder> accessed by [N]
[21:26:47] <XXCoder> whatever.arrays[1] is specific entry in array
[21:26:58] <Tom_L> so the diameter would be s[11] ?
[21:27:17] <Tom_L> s.tool_table[11]
[21:27:18] <XXCoder> nah its tool table, its list of tools
[21:27:41] <XXCoder> s.tool_table[s.current_tool_number].diameter
[21:28:10] <XXCoder> essentally its list of tools, each with list of data, some of em also arrays, but diameter is not one
[21:28:51] <XXCoder> this is actual example from my vismach:
[21:28:51] <XXCoder> rad = s.tool_table[s.tool_in_spindle].diameter
[21:28:55] <Tom_L> so a multi-dimensional array
[21:29:07] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:29:14] <MarcelineVQ> rad?
[21:29:19] <XXCoder> radius
[21:29:22] <MarcelineVQ> conventially, rad is half of dia
[21:29:25] <XXCoder> it later divides by 2
[21:29:28] <MarcelineVQ> ehe k
[21:29:31] <XXCoder> rad = rad / 2 #change it to rad
[21:30:14] <Tom_L> wannabe_rad = s.tool_table[s.tool_in_spindle].diameter
[21:30:21] <XXCoder> lol
[21:30:29] <XXCoder> I suppose I can do ( ... ) / 2
[21:30:34] <XXCoder> so you guys feel better
[21:30:44] <Tom_L> i could care less either way
[21:31:04] <Tom_L> just so it works
[21:31:23] <XXCoder> yeah though as well as do it, as its tutorial should be super clear
[21:31:59] <Tom_L> more fun if you add humor to your code
[21:32:11] <XXCoder> there is little in it
[21:32:19] <XXCoder> # color it red, as in danger, tool!
[21:32:42] <XXCoder> that is for cat30 (red part you see in imgur)
[21:33:46] <Tom_L> you have any cat50 at your work?
[21:33:52] <XXCoder> couple
[21:33:55] <XXCoder> its heavy mofo
[21:34:04] <Tom_L> my bud had a few
[21:34:30] <XXCoder> heaviest tool I had to put on spidle were 8" facemill on cat50
[21:34:34] <Tom_L> all the rest were cat40
[21:34:47] <XXCoder> I could just barely lift it with knee, leg on tab;e
[21:34:48] <Tom_L> yeah i think he had an 8" cutter
[21:35:03] <Tom_L> some 2-3" insert drills
[21:35:22] <XXCoder> work largest drill is 6" I think
[21:35:27] <Tom_L> for cutting Ti
[21:35:29] <XXCoder> looks ricious
[21:39:12] <Tom_L> you do alot of boeing work out there?
[21:39:19] <XXCoder> quite a bunch
[21:39:29] <XXCoder> somewhat less than 50%
[21:39:35] <Tom_L> i know we send the tubes out from here
[21:39:48] <XXCoder> one section left to write
[21:39:48] <Tom_L> from spirit
[21:39:53] <XXCoder> # Concept of machine design
[21:40:01] <XXCoder> bleh no code just explaining
[21:43:41] <XXCoder> still refining other areas. much more clean and clear now
[21:43:52] <XXCoder> no more # wtf is this?" lol
[21:44:00] <XXCoder> well besides work
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[21:52:34] <XXCoder> oops minor error found
[21:52:40] <XXCoder> work point is inside table lol
[21:52:54] <XXCoder> but changed machine so its grouped together when table top is on zerop
[21:53:03] <XXCoder> so move it upwards and work follows with it.
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[22:11:33] <XXCoder> Tom_L: know whats fun?
[22:11:38] <XXCoder> making ascii tree by hand lol
[22:15:20] <XXCoder> changed tool2 to toolassembly much more clear
[22:19:21] <XXCoder> done.
[22:19:31] <XXCoder> wow. done. now running it see if I didnt break something
[22:24:03] <XXCoder> looks ok though tool model only shows up if tool was changed, AND h used
[22:28:58] <XXCoder> so....
[22:29:24] <XXCoder> what do I do with it now? not too sure what is best place to upload or write article about it?
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[23:28:53] <Tom_L> you could do a wiki thing on it
[23:29:07] <XXCoder> yeah just not too sure
[23:29:19] <XXCoder> which secton etc
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[23:36:55] <Tom_L> Links -> Tutorials ?
[23:37:16] <Tom_L> meh, maybe not