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[01:12:32] <XXCoder> http://woodgears.ca fun
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[04:49:39] <XXCoder> so dang quiet'
[04:51:50] <sensille> oh, i have a pre-beginner question i barely dare to ask: if i would want to mill, let's say, a motor mount from aluminum, i'd probably wouldn't do it in one piece. how would i connect the pieces? or, what is the proper term to google for?
[04:52:39] <sensille> there must be a thousand standard ways to do it that every machinist knows
[04:52:51] <Blumax> Helllo here !
[04:53:21] <Blumax> gloops, I found the solution to my problem! And without really the desired !!!
[04:54:52] <XXCoder> sensille: not sure, motor mount seem to be should to be made from one peice, unless you mean large one?
[04:54:57] <Blumax> For recalls, I have a gantry machine, but the homing is not all alone, I must use the UI to make the home of the axis A while he is congiruer not to have home. Without the HXC handwheel works fine, with the controller activate no works :(
[04:55:50] <Blumax> I'm not pin on my machine, so I disable it in the .hal file, without handwheele it disappears, with the handwheel the spindle appears in the UI :(
[04:56:20] <sensille> XXCoder: let's say like this one, and i only have a cnc router to work with. would you mill it from one big block?
[04:56:25] <sensille> https://c.76.my
[04:57:16] <Blumax> I edit the file /usr/share/linuxcnc/hallib/xhc-hb04.tcl to comment on the lines in reference to the spindle. And the miracle, more spindle (logic) but more problem with the home !!!
[05:00:57] <XXCoder> hmm dunno but isnt those brackets super cheap
[05:01:08] <XXCoder> anyway you could weld em together
[05:01:23] <XXCoder> if can't, make brackets on sides boltable
[05:01:36] <XXCoder> the sides is simple router job
[05:02:37] <sensille> is there a good search term to learn on the types of connections? or to learn about the possibilities?
[05:03:12] <XXCoder> hmm not too sure
[05:03:26] <XXCoder> how to get parts together?
[05:05:37] <sensille> well, yes, how to produce a given geometry, or how to plan it properly
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[05:14:34] <XXCoder> engineering people would know
[05:15:49] <sensille> at least you make me feel that question is not that stupid :-/
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[05:16:31] <XXCoder> finding right words can be tough
[05:16:37] <XXCoder> expecially if you use google
[05:16:42] <XXCoder> they use shitty search methods now
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[05:32:17] <rmu> sensille: the picture looks like lasercut sheetmetal that was then bent and welded
[05:32:51] <XXCoder> it is
[05:32:55] <XXCoder> or waterjet cut
[05:32:58] <rmu> sensille: milling stuff like that from solid block would waste >95% material
[05:33:05] <sensille> indeed
[05:33:07] <XXCoder> I own some of em and man cut quality is crap
[05:33:24] <XXCoder> you'd be better off using cnc router for better cut quality
[05:33:44] <sensille> rmu: so how would i go about and plan it properly for a cnc router?
[05:33:58] <rmu> XXCoder: waterjet with crap quality?
[05:34:26] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:34:31] <XXCoder> edges is all jagged
[05:34:34] <rmu> sensille: you would take something like e.g. fusion 360, and learn how to work with sheet metal workbench
[05:34:51] <rmu> then you would draw the model and then "unfold" the bent metal
[05:35:11] <XXCoder> you know how to solder alum? would be best to just make single sheet then bend to shape and weld
[05:35:25] <rmu> then you have the "floor plan" to make toolpaths from with fusion cam
[05:36:19] <XXCoder> wow comcast is really shitty today
[05:36:23] <XXCoder> keeps disconnecting
[05:37:33] <sensille> rmu: sorry, i can't explain myself properly. i'm pondering on getting a cnc router, and nothing more for a start. and i'm wondering if i have parts that are best split into several parts how to learn what possibilities i have to connect them
[05:37:48] <sensille> bending is not an option
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[05:53:12] <rmu> sensille: you just need a vice to bend such small stuff
[05:54:07] <rmu> sensille: other possibilities: you can weld, solder, glue, bolt, rivet, ...
[06:02:55] <sensille> rmu: can aluminum be bent without breaking or getting weak?
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[06:28:30] <rmu> sensille: depends on the alloy and the state
[06:29:57] <rmu> EN AW-5753 and AW-60xx are usually easy to work with and can be bent and welded reasonably well
[06:31:30] <rmu> pure aluminium is no fun to cut, behaves like chewing gum, and it is very soft, so avoid that
[06:33:21] <XXCoder> if we were supermen and women, would be fanastic clay material
[06:36:37] <rmu> XXCoder: if i were supermen, i would use beryllium ;)
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[06:37:06] <XXCoder> thats more deformable and clay-like under large pressure?
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[06:42:39] <rmu> i don't know, but it has higher E-modulus thatn steel and density is 1,85kg/dm³ or so, 2/3 of aluminium
[06:43:32] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:47:18] <rmu> problem is beryllium is very toxic, and it can be used to generate neutrons. is only used in special applications like braking discs for space shuttles or formula 1 cars
[06:47:34] <rmu> and nuclear explosive devices
[06:47:59] <XXCoder> eh if we were super toxic part wouldnt matter besides protecting from envorment
[06:48:29] <XXCoder> funny thing if we were race of supermen and women, we might have never advanced to techology
[06:48:37] <XXCoder> I mean, cars? we would fly faster than it
[06:49:04] <XXCoder> weapons would be very extreme merely to give edge over physical strength
[06:49:16] <XXCoder> so we'd be super cavemen
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[07:13:58] <weenerdog> howdy
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[07:23:03] <sensille> rmu: is it common to design the parts so that they interlock?
[07:25:27] <rmu> i suppose
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[08:13:39] <JT-Shop> morning
[08:14:34] <weenerdog> mawnin
[08:15:22] <XXCoder> hey
[08:16:10] <JT-Shop> 31f here this morning
[08:17:16] <weenerdog> almost sleeve weather :P
[08:17:44] <weenerdog> what part of earth?
[08:17:59] <XXCoder> 31f is nearly freezing.
[08:18:15] <XXCoder> 46f high 38f low here
[08:19:20] <weenerdog> its warm today here. 45 now. tomorrow night down to 19
[08:19:32] <XXCoder> fun
[08:19:38] <XXCoder> c or f?
[08:19:42] <weenerdog> f
[08:20:02] <weenerdog> -7 c
[08:20:07] <weenerdog> ish
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[08:24:35] <weenerdog> found the machine i'm prolly gonna get :>
[08:25:42] <sensille> link?
[08:26:08] <weenerdog> just a 2'x2' which will do what i initially wanna do soonest
[08:26:23] <weenerdog> bobscnc e4 (maybe... still researching)
[08:26:44] <weenerdog> https://www.bobscnc.com
[08:26:59] <weenerdog> not crazzy about the belt drive
[08:28:12] <weenerdog> but it'll pay for itself before the belt breaks.
[08:28:20] <JT-Shop> a wooden router?
[08:28:26] <weenerdog> ja
[08:29:02] <weenerdog> juood is my medium. i'm a woofier.
[08:32:57] <JT-Shop> GT2 is a tiny little belt much too small for a router XY
[08:33:15] <JT-Shop> Z is a piece of all thread...
[08:33:25] <weenerdog> junk?
[08:33:49] <JT-Shop> toy maybe
[08:35:27] <weenerdog> my juerk https://beta-static.photobucket.com
[08:36:07] <XXCoder> curious if you started working on that wiki page
[08:36:39] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: who are you asking about a wiki page?
[08:36:48] <XXCoder> you, jt. sorry lol
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[08:37:18] <JT-Shop> I'm not working on a wiki page, I'm adding the vismach info to the documents
[08:37:30] <XXCoder> ahh
[08:37:38] <XXCoder> docs as in man pages etc?
[08:38:23] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org
[08:38:45] <JT-Shop> man pages are a poor place to have documentation in this day and age
[08:39:47] <XXCoder> guess so
[08:39:54] <XXCoder> looks like starting to update
[08:40:40] <XXCoder> I mean you starting to yupdate it?
[08:40:42] <XXCoder> tired lol
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[08:43:38] <JT-Shop> no, I can't edit the docs on the road... this pc is not setup to push to github
[08:43:48] <JT-Shop> that's the current docs
[08:43:56] <XXCoder> damn forgot youre on road trip lol
[08:44:15] <XXCoder> I look forward to updates. :)
[08:44:21] <JT-Shop> weenerdog: did you build that?
[08:44:37] <XXCoder> I wonder how do I add vismach I made into linuxcnc repo as example ?
[08:44:51] <weenerdog> ya. all the time. got two on the bench now.
[08:44:54] <JT-Shop> I do that
[08:45:09] <XXCoder> cool :)
[08:45:13] <JT-Shop> you could build a proper router then you don't need a kit
[08:45:26] <XXCoder> just glad I can help a little bit on part of linuxcnc being understood
[08:45:51] <weenerdog> yeah i'd like to build one, jt.
[08:46:18] <weenerdog> but it would be a lot easier if i had one to do it with :))
[08:46:42] <JT-Shop> XXCoder: I left jthornton on line so I can use that nick lol
[08:47:12] <JT-Shop> build on big enough to make the parts...
[08:47:16] <XXCoder> remote connection?
[08:47:40] <XXCoder> weenerdog: working music thing?
[08:47:44] <JT-Shop> no, I forgot to close down hexchat in the beer cave lol
[08:47:52] <XXCoder> doh
[08:48:41] <weenerdog> jt : it'll be a snap to convert my process to cnc. the soundboard (what i want to automate first) is already a 3d nurbs surface. i just intersect the surface at 1/32" intervals with planes and print a topo map, rubber cement to the wood, and rout right thru the paper, reset depth, go to next line, reset depth, go to next line. which makes me sort of a human cnc controller
[08:49:16] <weenerdog> so it just kinda makes sense
[08:49:49] <XXCoder> weenerdog: you make working music um things? i heard those is bit hard to make and work well
[08:49:56] <XXCoder> i cant recall that darn word
[08:50:19] <weenerdog> nah man you could make one in my shop with me and churn them out. its just geometry and good joinery.
[08:50:42] <XXCoder> interesting. not that I will be ever able to make em and know it works lol
[08:50:56] <JT-Shop> the dovetail for the neck thing looks real nice
[08:51:06] <weenerdog> its simple
[08:51:25] <XXCoder> i'm deaf, would never be able to hear em lol
[08:51:36] <XXCoder> even if I made one to perfection, or perfectly bad
[08:52:22] <JT-Shop> could you feel the vibration frequency in your fingers?
[08:52:28] <weenerdog> i cut the female side, then lay it on a scanner, scan it, import raster ref. into autocad, match the centerline extended a long way to my neck blank, print that out, cement to the neck blank, saw it.
[08:52:52] <JT-Shop> cool
[08:52:54] <XXCoder> jt now thats bit weird thing, I THINK I am tone-deaf, as vibrations is meaningless to me while theres deaf people who love music
[08:53:04] <XXCoder> i cant feel ryhrims in vibration
[08:53:06] <rmu> "i went to college to have these conversations". hearing teacher with deaf students. https://www.facebook.com
[08:53:20] <weenerdog> xx : you'd be surprised. i do the final work to the soundboard by tuning the two braces so they hit certain frequencies when tapped, and i measure that with a computer on a screen.
[08:53:21] <XXCoder> understandably, its very hard for me to confirm or disconfirm it.
[08:53:39] <XXCoder> rmu fart thing?
[08:53:46] <rmu> hehe. yes
[08:53:52] <weenerdog> it makes for repeatability
[08:54:08] <XXCoder> thankfully i have known for long time, unfortunately my other issue with health makes it hard for me to KNOW when I am about to fart,
[08:55:05] <XXCoder> weenerdog: interesting! I guess its easier with tech and science
[08:55:22] <JT-Shop> sometimes a fart sneaks out at the worst possible moment
[08:55:35] <rmu> oh no what have i done
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[08:55:59] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: your backend has guards. mine is wide open gateway with lots of shades for farts to hide to escape without being detected.
[08:56:04] <weenerdog> if i fart up the living room and my girlfriend crinkles her nose, i just start screaming at the dog
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[08:57:21] <weenerdog> what axis does the fartguard work on in linuxcnc? f?
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[08:57:32] <XXCoder> lol
[08:57:42] <XXCoder> I wonder if you could simulate fart sounds with steppers :P
[08:57:52] <XXCoder> I recall that there is bunch music gcodes,
[08:59:14] <weenerdog> i'm sure someone has done midi to gcode. i'm also sure that my bluegrass band would pull guns on me if i brought a banjo robot to practice
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[09:00:14] <JT-Shop> it would be even worse if the banjo robot beat you at dueling banjos
[09:00:49] <XXCoder> lol
[09:01:51] <weenerdog> kill it. with fire.
[09:02:38] <weenerdog> one day we'll be hiding from the robot armies in the rubble of our homes wishing we'd done something while we still could.
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[10:17:43] <mozmck> weenerdog: have you built many mandolins?
[10:18:30] <weenerdog> yeah man. i got #22 and 23 on my workbench
[10:19:15] <mozmck> Nice! Do you have a brand name? I used to build banjos
[10:19:23] <mozmck> Still do a little of that work.
[10:19:36] <weenerdog> just my last name
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[10:19:58] <mozmck> you have a website?
[10:20:19] <mozmck> I have a few pictures of some of mine here: http://www.mcknight-instruments.com
[10:21:02] <MarcelineVQ> What do you guys use to gloss those pieces?
[10:21:41] <mozmck> lacquer
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[10:35:00] <Loetmichel> maan, the garbage i have to do here sometimes... "fix a FFC plug to that dell notebook mainboard HDMI..." i think my eyes were better some decades ago... that FFC plug has 1mm pin grid... and the drills in the PCB are 0.4mm... -> http://www.cyrom.org
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[11:02:43] <weenerdog> mozmck, thats some sweet work
[11:02:58] <weenerdog> sorry my day cranked up :)
[11:03:17] <mozmck> Thanks! I'd like to see some of yours finished. I have 3 mandos started but no time to finish
[11:03:43] <weenerdog>
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[13:03:54] <FinboySlick> You guys watched AvE's latest? https://youtu.be Pay close attention to the M08 and M09 comments ;)
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[13:35:18] <fragalot> hey
[13:41:18] <sensille> any book recommendation for a metal working noob with a cnc? i basically know how to operate the machine, but nothing about the materials (aluminum as main target)
[13:43:42] <gloops> only seen 1 or 2 on amazon, they seem to be very expensive
[13:43:59] <gloops> its all online these days, blogs, forums, youtube etc
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[13:48:12] <adamj12b> Does anyone know how to shut off a motion.digital-out-NN pin when the stop button is pressed? Similar to how coolant shuts off when you press stop.
[13:52:13] <CaptHindsight> adamj12b: what component is the signal coming from?
[13:53:12] <CaptHindsight> i can take a look and see if the component already has an output latch, or you can add one triggered by STOP
[13:53:40] <adamj12b> I just use a M64 to turn on the output and M65 turn it off.
[13:54:12] <adamj12b> but if its on and I hit the stop key, there is no way to shut it off without doing an MDI > M65 P0
[13:55:18] <adamj12b> Its for an air blast for for an electronic tool setter. If you cycle stop it during a probe, it will just keep blowing...
[13:56:58] <CaptHindsight> understand
[13:57:28] <CaptHindsight> you'll have to modify your HAL
[14:00:03] <CaptHindsight> I use M62-65 all the time for similar
[14:00:34] <CaptHindsight> modify HAL or add external logic/relays
[14:00:37] <jdh> run it through CL
[14:01:00] <adamj12b> Im ok with modifying the hal.
[14:02:23] <adamj12b> Would you happen to have a suggestion as to where I would tie it in? I would assume just set motion.digital-out-00 to 0 somehow? or would the on value be stored in a variable?
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[14:04:44] <Tom_L> what does it shut off?
[14:05:13] <Tom_L> tie the estop signal to the pin and shut it off automagically
[14:05:26] <Tom_L> unless that's not an option
[14:05:35] <adamj12b> Tom_L: Air blast for tool setter. Trying to get it to shut off when cycle stop is hit, same as coolant
[14:06:00] <Tom_L> or is there a cycle stop pin you can tie it to?
[14:07:20] <adamj12b> Thats the thing. Im not sure how I would tie it to cycle stop because its activated with M codes. There is nothing I notice in the hal file for the system default 0-3 digital outputs.
[14:07:43] <Tom_L> you could call a user command or a subroutine
[14:08:08] <Tom_L> when that event occurs
[14:08:46] <adamj12b> thats an interesting idea.
[14:09:17] <Tom_L> just need to find the right pin
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[14:14:32] <Tom_L> halui.program.is-idle
[14:14:53] <Tom_L> or one of your choosing
[14:15:10] <adamj12b> i was just looking in halui. didnt see is-idle yet.
[14:15:14] <adamj12b> that could work
[14:15:42] <Tom_L> or a combination of is-paused depending on what you want
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[14:19:47] <Tom_itx> [HALUI]
[14:19:53] <Tom_itx> MDI_COMMAND = M65
[14:20:58] <adamj12b> OO thats much cleaner then a sub file
[14:21:57] <Tom_itx> net spray_off halui.program.is-idle => halui.mdi-command-00
[14:22:00] <Tom_itx> or such
[14:22:43] <adamj12b> I was just thinking I could just link it to my cycle stop console button?
[14:22:58] <Tom_L> whatever floats yer boat
[14:23:03] <adamj12b> do you know if is-idle is called once or at an interval?
[14:23:10] <Tom_L> no
[14:23:33] <Tom_L> i presume once because it's dependant on the program not running
[14:23:46] <Tom_L> watch the pin in the hal window
[14:24:41] <Tom_L> optionally do the reverse to turn it back on with another halui command
[14:24:50] <Tom_L> toggle
[14:25:22] <Tom_L> or in the gcode
[14:25:27] <Tom_L> up to you
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[14:26:12] <adamj12b> The macro turns it on so that isnt an issue.
[14:26:22] <adamj12b> I think this will work perfectly. Ill give it a shot tonight.
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[15:27:11] <CaptHindsight> anyone have experience with ABB PLC's https://new.abb.com
[15:27:35] <CaptHindsight> just wondering how they held up and how good or bad their software is
[15:36:46] <JT-Mobile> never messed with a ABB PLC
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[16:01:33] <ChunkyPuffs> Anybody able to help me out with my first CNC task? :D
[16:04:50] <JT-Mobile> just ask the question
[16:05:36] <ChunkyPuffs> I destroyed a bit by setting the stock wrong in fusion probably
[16:05:39] <ChunkyPuffs> I set the stock as a positive number, 12mm, since the material stock is 12mm, and it just drove itself right into the bed and decided to snap lol.
[16:08:16] <gloops> hmm
[16:08:27] <gloops> metal, wood?
[16:08:32] <ChunkyPuffs> mdf
[16:08:54] <gloops> ok, cutting right through in one pass, or steps?
[16:08:58] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't think the spindle even started spinning, it just suicided
[16:09:06] <ChunkyPuffs> well, I have no idea whether it was done in steps, I'm a big noob
[16:09:10] <gloops> that sounds iffy
[16:09:18] <ChunkyPuffs> I'll be able to sit in the CNC room of my makerspace if anybody is able to attend
[16:09:23] <ChunkyPuffs> in about 30 mins
[16:09:36] <gloops> i wouldnt get there in time
[16:09:43] <ChunkyPuffs> Lmfao
[16:09:46] <ChunkyPuffs> Virtually, of course.
[16:10:00] <ChunkyPuffs> I can stream an ascii webcam feed
[16:10:03] <gloops> oh, yeah im sure someone will be around in here
[16:10:35] <gloops> might help to post the gcode on pasteit or something
[16:10:47] <gloops> whatever they call it, pastebin
[16:11:05] <JT-Mobile> paste.ubuntu.com is a good place
[16:11:36] <ChunkyPuffs> I usually used transfer.sh
[16:11:47] <rmu> ChunkyPuffs: try the program without material first ("cutting air"9
[16:11:53] <gloops> did you touch the tool off on the top of the mdf?
[16:12:03] <ChunkyPuffs> "touch the tool off" ?
[16:12:09] <ChunkyPuffs> You mean set the z?
[16:12:17] <gloops> yes
[16:12:20] <ChunkyPuffs> there's a touch plate that I used yeah, the z was set accurately I thin
[16:12:20] <rmu> use slow feed (feed and rapid override to 10%)
[16:12:24] <rmu> and single step the program
[16:12:28] <ChunkyPuffs> The software we're using is garbage, it's called KinetiCNC
[16:12:56] <gloops> yeah, sometimes ill touch off 2 inch above and run the code, just to see it starts off like it should
[16:13:52] <JT-Mobile> start with a wooden dowel for a tool and touch off Z above the scrap wood
[16:14:44] <ChunkyPuffs> Just going to the shop, brb in a few mins, then can get started breaking more bits
[16:17:41] <gloops> https://www.cnc-step.com
[16:19:58] <JT-Mobile> so he is not using LinuxCNC?
[16:20:44] <gloops> dont think so
[16:21:38] <JT-Mobile> I assumed those maker places made sure you knew how to use a machine before giving you the key lol
[16:22:13] <gloops> it must be on a 'bring your own tools' basis
[16:23:46] <JT-Mobile> well the sun finally came out here at Beaver Lake just in time for us to return home lol
[16:25:25] <rmu> 1.6mhz step frequency°!
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[16:25:50] <gloops> pretty non descript day here, light drizzle most of the day
[16:26:58] <andypugh> Some fairly sleety sounding rain earlier.
[16:27:06] <JT-Mobile> at least it will be a nice day tomorrow for the drive home
[16:27:10] <andypugh> (I only heard it, I didn’t look at it)
[16:28:05] <JT-Mobile> andypugh: did you make the air condition control with the RPi W?
[16:28:58] <andypugh> No.
[16:29:04] <andypugh> Haven’t even started.
[16:29:21] <andypugh> And it will be heating only, not really any cll for air conditioning in Yorkshire.
[16:29:25] <JT-Mobile> I'm making progress on the touch screen/RPi3b chicken control
[16:29:28] <ChunkyPuffs> JT-Mobile, nah, this space is pretty chill
[16:30:09] <ChunkyPuffs> A guy gave me 6 x 3mm bits to break
[16:31:49] <JT-Mobile> so that machine is not running LinuxCNC?
[16:32:13] <ChunkyPuffs> Correct, we intend to.
[16:32:27] <ChunkyPuffs> The machine was bought as is from a German company by a benevolent man who decided to donate it to the space.
[16:32:37] <JT-Mobile> cool
[16:32:39] <ChunkyPuffs> Currently it runs proprietary garbage, but we're reverse engineering it
[16:32:51] <JT-Mobile> is it a stepper machine?
[16:32:55] <Loetmichel> isel?
[16:32:55] <ChunkyPuffs> ye
[16:33:31] <JT-Mobile> standard steppers? or some weird stepper?
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[16:34:49] <ChunkyPuffs> high-z s720t
[16:34:53] <ChunkyPuffs> I think it's standard steppers
[16:35:02] <JT-Mobile> 4 or 8 wires?
[16:35:11] <Loetmichel> ouch
[16:35:15] <Loetmichel> HiZ...
[16:35:16] <ChunkyPuffs> no idea
[16:35:27] <ChunkyPuffs> https://www.cnc-step.com
[16:35:27] <Loetmichel> its standard steppers.
[16:35:29] <ChunkyPuffs> here it is
[16:35:33] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm still an incredible noob btw
[16:35:39] <JT-Mobile> standard bipolar are 4 wires and unipolar is 8 wires
[16:35:41] <ChunkyPuffs> the height of my knowledge is from laser cutting
[16:35:56] <ChunkyPuffs> I wanna graduate from Inkscape to proper CAD
[16:36:12] <Loetmichel> that thing is worse than the CHinese CNC 6040 and similar
[16:36:18] <ChunkyPuffs> Why for?
[16:36:24] <Loetmichel> the only good thing they have is their marketing
[16:37:15] <ChunkyPuffs> We will eventually have the ability to use it with LinuxCNC
[16:37:29] <ChunkyPuffs> but for now it's running proprietary garbage, my problem is with the gcode, the fusion360 adaptive clearing stuff
[16:37:37] <ChunkyPuffs> I think it's simply a matter of how I've defined my stock
[16:37:44] <JT-Mobile> Operating System with Software
[16:37:44] <JT-Mobile> WINPC-NC, MACH3, EMC, Linux CNC:
[16:37:44] <JT-Mobile> Windows / Linux
[16:37:56] <JT-Mobile> says it uses LinuxCNC
[16:37:58] <Loetmichel> Big ass machine with non supported rails, and the reast of the construction is even less rigid than a 6040
[16:39:02] <JT-Mobile> looks like normal nema 23 steppers or 17's maybe
[16:39:08] <ChunkyPuffs> But it's my first cnc, and that's all that counts
[16:39:12] <Loetmichel> also that company is infamous for taking "competitors" to court over missing Estops and stuff
[16:39:16] <rmu> I have a high-z s1000 from about 10 years ago
[16:39:27] <rmu> machine is complete garbage
[16:39:33] <rmu> by design
[16:39:39] <Loetmichel> rmu: as i mentioned above ;)
[16:39:51] <JT-Mobile> is it good enough to learn how to use LinuxCNC?
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[16:40:05] <rmu> Loetmichel: wanted to add another data point
[16:40:13] <Loetmichel> ah, i see ;)
[16:40:18] <ChunkyPuffs> Well I won't be using LinuxCNC lol
[16:40:27] <ChunkyPuffs> Not until the hardware is all set up to use it, which will take months
[16:40:28] <Loetmichel> JT-Mobile: only if you mill styrofoam
[16:40:29] <Loetmichel> ;)
[16:40:34] <rmu> perhaps the ballscre version is not that f****ered as the trapezoidal one
[16:40:36] <ChunkyPuffs> Right now I just need to understand how to create the gcode properly in fusion
[16:40:55] <JT-Mobile> lol hours maybe not months
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[16:41:14] <Loetmichel> rmu: even the ballscrew version uses 20mm (or 25mm) unsupported round rails
[16:41:20] <ChunkyPuffs> For the pros at my makerspace to get round to it, it will take months
[16:41:22] <JT-Mobile> toss the garbage box and get a cheap tb6600 (is that the one that kinda works)
[16:41:26] <Loetmichel> on a machine that size thats like using rubber as a rail
[16:41:34] <ChunkyPuffs> All of the hardware to make their custom LinuxCNC controller box is here
[16:41:41] <rmu> the worst thing with my machine is the 12mm trapezoidal screw
[16:41:45] <ChunkyPuffs> I can livestream if anybody reckons they could help me put it together
[16:42:20] <gloops> well, it should at least act like a cnc router, even if it isnt very good
[16:42:24] <rmu> 1m long, 1mm dia, that thing looks like a guitar string when rotating
[16:42:39] <gloops> forget that i was looking at scroll from 10 minutes ago lol
[16:42:39] <rmu> 12mm dia
[16:42:52] <ChunkyPuffs> I'll be able to go live in about an hour if anybody reckons they can teach me a thing or two
[16:42:53] <Loetmichel> gloops: its good for soft woods like fir
[16:43:01] <Loetmichel> wouldt do oak with it
[16:43:04] <ChunkyPuffs> I have a room full of CNC goodies that I have no idea how to use
[16:43:07] <ChunkyPuffs> and I'm not afraid to break a bit
[16:43:09] <Loetmichel> thats about it
[16:43:24] <rmu> soft wood perhaps, aluminium with depth-of-cut in the 0.05mm region
[16:43:38] <Loetmichel> rmu: i doubt it
[16:43:40] * JT-Mobile will be sitting down for a Thai dinner in an hour
[16:43:46] <rmu> if you tools don't clog up with that type of DOC
[16:43:57] <rmu> Loetmichel: yes, it works. more or less. semi-accurate.
[16:44:04] <Loetmichel> my 6040 does 0.15mm DOC on a 2mm 2 flute in alu... barely.
[16:44:36] <rmu> the other problem with the high-zs is that the z-axis is very very weak
[16:44:38] <gloops> it should cut mdf with a small bit
[16:44:46] <JT-Mobile> as a learning tool it's better than nothing even if you have a pencil in the spindle
[16:44:58] <Loetmichel> with a 6mm two flute it will dig in visibly on one passt and lift off on the back pass
[16:44:59] <ChunkyPuffs> gloops, the problem is I didn't create the gcode properly in fusion
[16:45:04] <rmu> even drilling into wood is not really possible, because the z-axis flexes so much that the whole is off by 2-3 mm
[16:45:12] <Loetmichel> hihi
[16:45:15] <ChunkyPuffs> and as a result, something went wrong, and it just drove itself right into suicide
[16:45:20] <ChunkyPuffs> I think it was probably layering or something
[16:45:26] <rmu> s/whole/hole/
[16:45:38] <ChunkyPuffs> The guy who wrote the adaptive clearing algorithm for Fusion 360 comes to this makerspace lol
[16:46:09] <gloops> ChunkyPuffs practice makes perfect, probably better doing something very simple to learn with, a circle or something, a few lines of engraving
[16:46:28] <ChunkyPuffs> Sure, but I am doing something very simple to begin with
[16:46:29] <JT-Mobile> yep, start by writing you own G code
[16:46:31] <gloops> instead of drawing a 3d gotic arch
[16:46:31] <ChunkyPuffs> the problem is that I fucked that up lol
[16:46:41] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm not writing gcode from scratch, you're out of your mind if you're suggesting that.
[16:46:49] <ChunkyPuffs> This isn't like writing bash or python, it's far more involved and you know it.
[16:47:01] <ChunkyPuffs> You're suggesting I write assembly, you're out of your mind, and I will do that when I feel lke writing assembly lmfao.
[16:47:02] <JT-Mobile> I'm not out of my mind
[16:47:04] <rmu> ChunkyPuffs: try your programs without any material on the machine
[16:47:17] <JT-Mobile> G code is simple simple simple
[16:47:20] <gloops> if you cant learn g-code youre gonna struggle lol
[16:47:22] <ChunkyPuffs> rmu, that wouldn't have shown me what the issue is
[16:47:23] <Rab> ChunkyPuffs, next time, it'd be prudent to do a dry run without a tool in the spindle. Just watch the machine go through the gcode. A +1" Z offset would help
[16:47:35] <ChunkyPuffs> Sure, I know about that as a principle
[16:47:50] <JT-Mobile> G0 X1
[16:47:53] <ChunkyPuffs> but if the problem was my z height of stock material in fusion, i wouldn't have been able to measure 13mm with my eyes
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[16:48:15] <rmu> ChunkyPuffs: you would notice suspicious moves or moves that are too fast
[16:48:32] <ChunkyPuffs> well it's not supposed to plunge through the entirety of the 12mm in one go right?
[16:48:38] <ChunkyPuffs> it's supposed to swipe away gradually?
[16:49:06] <JT-Mobile> it does what you tell it to do period
[16:49:07] <rmu> with linuxcnc you can override feedrate and set to e.g. 10%
[16:49:25] <ChunkyPuffs> Listen guys, I'm not coming at this from a g-code angle. I'm coming at this from a freecad/fusion360 angle
[16:49:26] <JT-Mobile> and watch you bit break in slow motion
[16:49:28] <rmu> that should be slow enough to hit ESC before something break.
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[16:52:25] <rmu> a lot depends on how the machine and the controller is set up, orientation of coordinate systems (i have seen systems with positive Z going down), work- and tool-offsets
[16:53:06] <gloops> <ChunkyPuffs> yes you will be using the software for just about everything, but its a good thing to learn a smattering of g-code along the one
[16:53:23] <gloops> for moments exactly like this - when you need to see whats going wrong
[16:53:25] <ChunkyPuffs> I am not going to be looking at the g-code generated too strongly. I will do that when I feel comfortable with the physical realities first.
[16:53:45] <gloops> along the way
[16:54:12] <Deejay> gn8
[16:54:24] <gloops> so, you got the material thickness right in fusion
[16:54:43] <gloops> now you need to look at the number of passes
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[16:55:16] <gloops> the cutting depth for the tool etc, i dont know i dont use fusion but something like that will be there
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[16:59:13] <ChunkyPuffs> gloops, I'll start streaming soon, once the directors of the space are gone lol
[16:59:25] <ChunkyPuffs> So I can get on peacefully in the room until 5AM
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[17:14:53] <gloops> arent there people at the makers place who use the cnc who could give advice?
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[17:23:58] <ChunkyPuffs> gloops, Not really, not many know how to use the cnc, we just sort of have it
[17:24:05] <ChunkyPuffs> There's one guy, but he's only here on Thursdays
[17:24:09] <ChunkyPuffs> I figure I can learn better myself.
[17:24:15] <ChunkyPuffs> Especially with the help of folks here.
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[19:38:20] <JT-Mobile> hey Tom_L
[19:38:39] <CaptHindsight> I still say go ahead and try until you run out of tooling
[19:38:56] <CaptHindsight> then use the broken tooling to make gifts/jewelry
[19:39:09] <JT-Mobile> lol
[19:39:57] <CaptHindsight> wear safety glasses and stand at a safe distance
[19:41:56] <CaptHindsight> 30-40 years ago what man ever read a manual or written instructions?
[19:42:36] <CaptHindsight> instructions are for quitters
[19:42:47] <JT-Mobile> CaptHindsight: it's a waste of your time trying to change someones mind when it's made up
[19:44:52] <CaptHindsight> I'm just putting a positive spin on it
[19:45:02] <JT-Mobile> I know
[19:45:41] <CaptHindsight> and please post pics of any ER visits
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[19:47:22] <CaptHindsight> are there any G-code tools that can take the paths from two separate routines and combine them into one?
[19:48:16] <JT-Mobile> <ChunkyPuffs> A guy gave me 6 x 3mm bits to break
[19:48:33] <JT-Mobile> not much damage from a tiny bit
[19:48:35] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I don;t know, but have a look at Grecode?
[19:48:38] <CaptHindsight> say you had an engraving routine for something on flat stock but then later you decide to engrave something not flat
[19:48:40] <Rab> CaptHindsight, $ cat one.ngc two.ngc > three.ngc
[19:49:11] <JT-Mobile> that would be complicated I think
[19:49:28] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: thanks, hadn't seen that yet
[19:49:40] <Rab> Sorry, I'm only giving EFnet-quality advice from now on.
[19:49:47] <CaptHindsight> heh, complicated is my middle name :)
[19:50:34] <CaptHindsight> Rab: no problem, if in addition if it's done with a silly accent I'll give you extra points
[19:52:13] <Rab> CaptHindsight, Texas here, so consider that a given.
[19:52:17] <JT-Mobile> hmm grecode looks interesting
[19:52:50] <CaptHindsight> for example, you have a G-code routine for engraving text onto flat stock, but then you want to engrave the same text onto a surface that is warped or domed
[19:53:22] <Rab> Thumbs up for grecode. I wanted to rotate a job 90 degrees, and it was the right tool for the job.
[19:54:20] <Rab> CaptHindsight, so you have an engraving job, and a contouring job, and you want to add/subtract the difference?
[19:55:08] <CaptHindsight> Rab: the contours are in the material you wish to engrave
[19:55:23] <Rab> For shallow contours, spring-loaded engraving tool?
[19:55:50] <CaptHindsight> yeah but it has to be in g-code vs external hardware
[19:56:25] <JT-Mobile> I seem to remember something that engraved on a cylinder... but can't think of the name
[19:57:07] <CaptHindsight> JT-Mobile: well one way is to treat the A axis as the X or Y and
[19:57:25] <CaptHindsight> then you have a rectangle wrapped around a cylinder
[19:57:58] <CaptHindsight> but my stock is wavy, very out of round, contoured etc
[19:58:04] <JT-Mobile> ah yea that makes sense to exchange a linear axis for a rotary
[19:58:34] <Rab> CaptHindsight, how would you acquire a map of the stock? Probing?
[19:59:01] <JT-Mobile> yea some kind of probing routine to make a map then translate that to Z
[19:59:06] <CaptHindsight> I can go back to CAM and generate new routines but I was wondering if anything was already out there to modify g-codes
[19:59:40] <CaptHindsight> Rab: yes, or have a 3d model of the stock
[20:00:35] <CaptHindsight> or it could be simple enough to measure by hand...
[20:01:05] <gregcnc> laser distance sensor to torch height control?
[20:01:07] <CaptHindsight> say you want to engrave onto a formed platter vs flat plate
[20:01:33] <CaptHindsight> it might just have a 1" lip all around the edge
[20:01:40] <CaptHindsight> maybe 1/2" deep
[20:01:48] <CaptHindsight> or similar
[20:02:59] <JT-Mobile> I wonder if you could use the path to probe the surface then take that info for Z
[20:03:16] <Rab> Sounds thrilling and chilling...I'd use a spring-loaded tool even with a contour map, just to be safe.
[20:03:45] <CaptHindsight> I can do all this by just using CAM and the 3d models and whatever artwork I'd want to engrave but I was just wondering if you already had canned engraving routines, can you easily adapt them to some known 3d model
[20:06:24] <CaptHindsight> maybe G-code to DXF
[20:06:55] <CaptHindsight> and do it in CAM
[20:06:55] <andypugh> I can imafine doing it with a spot of Python. Possibly as a filter.
[20:07:28] <JT-Mobile> interesting...
[20:07:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scorchworks.com
[20:08:05] <CaptHindsight> hah http://www.scorchworks.com
[20:08:15] <CaptHindsight> Now with "Auto Probe" for cutting on uneven surfaces
[20:08:33] <andypugh> (I came up with a filter to swap feed per minute to inverse time last week: https://forum.linuxcnc.org
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[20:24:19] <CaptHindsight> Added ability to map X or Y axis moves to A or B rotary axis for cutting on a cylindrical surface.
[20:27:43] <CaptHindsight> even has a Auto Probe function for LCNC
[20:35:51] <CaptHindsight> https://imgur.com cnc airbrush onto 3d surface, just outlines
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[20:37:40] <weenerdog> howdy
[20:38:19] <CaptHindsight> ^^.4mm lines
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[21:09:18] <Tom_L> hey JT-Mobile
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[22:29:57] <ChunkyPuffs> Alright, I'm live, anybody want to help?
[22:30:14] <ChunkyPuffs> I managed to get these piece of garbage, absolute piles of shit core2 duo machines streaming via ffmpeg
[22:32:47] <ChunkyPuffs> is anybody from earlier still around?
[22:39:24] <ChunkyPuffs> https://www.twitch.tv
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[22:54:03] <CaptHindsight> so what are we cutting?
[22:54:42] <ChunkyPuffs> CaptHindsight, Heyhey
[22:54:45] <ChunkyPuffs> Forgot I asked in here
[22:54:48] <infornography> cheese
[22:55:14] <ChunkyPuffs> right, so I want to cut a simple circle
[22:55:17] <CaptHindsight> machine must be in the shade
[22:55:18] <ChunkyPuffs> you watching the stream CaptHindsight ?
[22:55:30] <ChunkyPuffs> kind of is yeah
[22:55:54] <CaptHindsight> about to walk out the door, just taking a peek
[22:56:16] <CaptHindsight> almost 22:00 here
[22:56:24] <ChunkyPuffs> Ah rip
[22:56:40] <ChunkyPuffs> Not particularly up for cutting anything complex
[22:56:47] <ChunkyPuffs> just need to know how to **not** break my bit
[22:57:16] <Tom_L> remove it until you know what's going to happen?
[22:58:34] <CaptHindsight> yeah, if you crash the chuck/toll holder/spindle then you were really off to begin with
[22:58:55] <ChunkyPuffs> Tom_L, remove what?
[22:58:59] <CaptHindsight> whats running in that upper left console?
[22:59:04] <Tom_L> the tool
[22:59:07] <CaptHindsight> any cutting tool
[22:59:23] <CaptHindsight> dry runs to start
[23:00:43] <ChunkyPuffs> So is anybody free to guide me on my quest tonight?
[23:01:00] <ChunkyPuffs> I just want to cut circle.gcode out of 12mm MDF without busting a bit
[23:01:10] <CaptHindsight> Mach3?
[23:01:10] <ChunkyPuffs> genning it in fusion360
[23:01:46] <ChunkyPuffs> CaptHindsight, Nope, some weird german proprietary stuff
[23:01:57] <CaptHindsight> ok
[23:02:18] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[23:08:21] <ChunkyPuffs> Well fuck, everyone that was on earlier is dead
[23:09:25] <infornography> fuck
[23:09:35] <infornography> a curse werd
[23:09:54] <MarcelineVQ> ze cursed weyrd
[23:09:55] <infornography> to fornicate
[23:10:08] <ChunkyPuffs> under command of king
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[23:29:03] <matthew1> Right, I'm all set up, everything is captured
[23:29:15] <matthew1> Anybody able to assist me in cutting something basic without fucking everything up?
[23:30:12] <matthew1> https://twitch.tv
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[23:48:33] <matthew1> Anyone on before I poke my eye out with a bit?