#linuxcnc | Logs for 2018-11-20

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[00:11:15] <ziper> dew it
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[00:13:52] <matthew1> gloops: hey
[00:13:59] <matthew1> I'm in trouble, I need your help
[00:14:14] <matthew1> all I need is your credit card number, and the 3 digits on the back, the expiry month and year
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[00:14:51] <matthew1> rip
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[00:43:11] <matthew1> bout to start, watch as it fails and kills me live on stream
[00:53:37] <matthew1> I'm cutting
[00:53:39] <matthew1> rip my ears
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[03:02:07] <Deejay> moin
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[05:27:56] <XXCoder> heys
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[05:37:23] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com interesting channel
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[06:18:16] <Tom_itx> 27° Hi 52
[06:18:32] * Tom_itx tiptoes back out so he doesn't wake any lurkers
[06:19:35] <Deejay> GOOOD MOOORRRNING VIEETNAAAAAM! ;)
[06:19:36] <Deejay> hi tom
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[06:48:27] <weenerdog> g'mawnin
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[07:05:03] <gloops> hmm, spindle slow to start moving today, had to spin it to start it rotating, was fine after that
[07:05:52] <weenerdog> reminds me of me
[07:06:22] <gloops> never had that before, either cold or its on its way out
[07:08:22] <weenerdog> see if it has a starting capacitor
[07:08:58] <XXCoder> gloops: chineseium spindle?
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[07:10:56] <weenerdog> gloops : under ordinary conditions, when you power the spindle down, do you hear a distinct click as it slows down?
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[07:13:53] <Loetmichel> gloops: VFD or direct (230V) mains?
[07:14:20] <weenerdog> if thats the case, forget what i said about the starting capacitor. it means theres a centerfugal switch hooked to the start winding thats sticking.
[07:14:37] <weenerdog> its one or t'other
[07:14:42] <XXCoder> rhink gloop is off to his machine
[07:14:48] <weenerdog> ja
[07:15:57] <Loetmichel> could also be a bearing stuck and a spindle that has not much torque
[07:16:05] <XXCoder> or dead bushings
[07:16:06] <Loetmichel> had that a few times with old machines
[07:16:12] <XXCoder> chineseium ones last 50 hours or so
[07:16:17] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: exactly
[07:16:27] <XXCoder> having to manually start is sign of that
[07:16:31] <Loetmichel> in my case it was old grease though
[07:17:13] <weenerdog> chineseium ones last forever if you lubricate them with soy sauce
[07:17:14] <Loetmichel> that got a bit doughy over the years
[07:17:30] <XXCoder> lol
[07:18:38] <weenerdog> https://www.thrillist.com no shop should be without it
[07:18:58] <Loetmichel> ... and considering how the spindle bearings of my companys 800W watercooled chinesium spindle sound i would state that those have a lifetime of about 6 years 8h/5d week ;)
[07:19:30] <weenerdog> see? soy sauce
[07:19:36] <XXCoder> interesting. cosh had to replace his after 50 hours
[07:19:50] <Loetmichel> weenerdog: i have a spray bottle with those "no fat" frying stuff... works great for cutting threads in aluminium :-)
[07:19:56] <XXCoder> mine isnt that old (even though cnc router is owned by ne for 2 years now)
[07:20:36] <weenerdog> cool Loetmichel
[07:21:00] <XXCoder> (use time vs own time) lol
[07:21:04] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: had to replace the stepper couplers on my 6040 here at the company in less than 50 hours, the spindle is still good.. sounds terrible now but no measureable runout/play
[07:21:40] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:21:46] <Loetmichel> (rattling like a sack of nuts)
[07:22:23] <Loetmichel> stepper couplers though were designed to fail...
[07:22:26] <gloops> sorry Loetmichel - VFD
[07:22:39] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org
[07:22:51] <gloops> no bushes its 3 phase
[07:23:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- replaced them with this type... works way better
[07:23:56] <Loetmichel> gloops:if its VFD: can only be thickened grease or dirt in the bearings then
[07:24:02] <weenerdog> oh. i dont know doodlysquat about 3 phase except i got knocked off a ladder once by 3ph 480 lol
[07:24:16] <gloops> hmm, maybe time for a clean inside
[07:24:21] <weenerdog> bvvvvvvvt ska-whump
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[07:31:42] <XXCoder> ans repack grease i guess
[07:48:19] <gloops> well seems fine now, maybe just a random bit of sawdust or something that cleared itself
[07:51:02] <weenerdog> i would sprinkle a circle of salt around the machine and sacrifice a chickun just to be sure
[08:00:32] <JT-Mobile> morning
[08:00:39] <weenerdog> good mawnin
[08:00:47] <XXCoder> yo
[08:00:51] <XXCoder> hows trip so far
[08:01:14] <JT-Mobile> good, we are heading home today
[08:02:44] <XXCoder> nice
[08:03:01] <weenerdog> home & hearth & shop :)
[08:03:33] <JT-Mobile> yea we are stopping in Springfield to visit the Bass Pro Aquarium exhibit
[08:04:01] <weenerdog> i love the bass pro shop aquarium in bristol tn
[08:04:30] <JT-Mobile> last time we were in Springfield they were still building it
[08:05:40] <XXCoder> yeah local one got one also
[08:06:24] <XXCoder> essentally nothing in that store is useful for me, but I like to come in and look at it when I happen to drop off my nephew to school.
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[08:07:08] <Loetmichel> weenerdog: its no SCSI driven system
[08:07:13] <jymmm> morning all
[08:07:19] <Loetmichel> ok, you specified chiken, not goat ;)
[08:07:20] <XXCoder> yo
[08:07:25] <Loetmichel> morning jymmm
[08:07:46] <jymmm> get to return today
[08:08:00] <JT-Mobile> hey jymmm
[08:08:12] <jymmm> hi jt
[08:09:15] <jymmm> been displaced due to campfire
[08:10:22] <jymmm> irc via Android is pita
[08:10:35] <Loetmichel> indeed
[08:10:49] <Loetmichel> irc via any device without a keyboard is PITA
[08:11:24] <jymmm> 147,000 acres, 79 recovered bodies so far, my house is still standing thankfully
[08:12:00] <JT-Mobile> wow that's a bad one... any rain in sight?
[08:12:28] <jymmm> they say Wednesday, 67% contained
[08:13:15] <XXCoder> calfornia fire?
[08:13:21] <JT-Mobile> I never could figure out how to right click on my phone
[08:13:38] <miss0r|office> JT-Mobile: Are you writing from a cellphone? :)
[08:13:40] <weenerdog> you use your left hand
[08:13:56] <jymmm> xx yes
[08:14:10] <miss0r|office> jymmm: Are you out of harms way?
[08:14:34] <JT-Mobile> miss0r|office: no, I'm on my laptop with my RPi connected via ethernet cable so I can program it and talk on here at the same time
[08:15:05] <miss0r|office> ahh :) It would've been cool though
[08:15:34] <miss0r|office> Deeply frustrating with the impossible slow typing ect.. but cool nontheless :)
[08:15:42] <jymmm> miss yes, now. but was in the heart of it Thursday at 9am, total black out, couldn't see 200ft ahead of me, propane tanks exploding all around
[08:16:32] <miss0r|office> damn. Sounds like some of the pictures I've seen. "hell on earth" they are called
[08:18:05] <jymmm> miss talked to chp when i snuck in to get meds, he had 2 years before he retires, been in combat, worked other fires, says he got a little ptsd when he drive thru the town
[08:18:33] <miss0r|office> I can imagine
[08:18:36] <weenerdog> jymmm, prayers for you and yours
[08:18:50] <jymmm> wee thanks
[08:21:20] <jymmm> i was hoping to guys might have some ideas.... i have a propane generator, but need to connect it to the big 250 gal tank temporarily, was thinking using air hose, but no clue on the fittings for quick disconnect
[08:21:48] <miss0r|office> why would you want quick disconnect?
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[08:22:04] <miss0r|office> also; Do you have a pressure regulator in there or is it direct flow?
[08:22:15] <JT-Mobile> I used air quick disconnects on my propane cooker
[08:23:01] <jymmm> miss so the better half can connect it if needed. yes there are regulators, this is all low pressure, less than 8psi
[08:23:22] <jymmm> jt full brass?
[08:23:34] <miss0r|office> Then you can get away with using just about anything
[08:23:50] <miss0r|office> The quick disconnects JT speaks off are great in that case
[08:24:08] <JT-Mobile> yea just a brass quick disconnect
[08:24:25] <jymmm> i need some valve that can be locked off?
[08:24:33] <miss0r|office> Wouldn't you want coated ones? as you will be using them outside?
[08:24:44] <weenerdog> brass for sure
[08:24:48] <weenerdog> or bust
[08:25:08] <weenerdog> sparx, miss0r
[08:25:28] <miss0r|office> yeah.. but the zink coated ones? they shouldn't spark?
[08:25:43] <jymmm> don't they have steel balls inside?
[08:26:06] <miss0r|office> I've never thought about that. They might, yes.
[08:26:08] <miss0r|office> good point
[08:26:42] <miss0r|office> About locking it up= Why would you want that: it would take forever to empty it at 8PSI regulated... :)
[08:26:56] <miss0r|office> as long as the tank itself is bolted down
[08:27:29] <jymmm> miss trespassers
[08:27:59] <miss0r|office> I'm from another world here...
[08:28:13] <JT-Mobile> jymmm: can't you lock the lid of the tank?
[08:28:30] <miss0r|office> you are afraid someone will live on your land while using your gas?
[08:28:56] <jymmm> miss people are dumbasses, rather do a lock out of some kind to be safe
[08:29:03] <jymmm> miss .... even from myself
[08:29:12] <miss0r|office> sure
[08:29:33] <jymmm> jt I'm tapping in after the regulator
[08:29:46] <weenerdog> jymmm, https://www.amazon.com
[08:30:13] <JT-Mobile> weenerdog: everything from /ref can be dropped
[08:30:19] <weenerdog> kinda cheapo. not hacksaw proof, but would probably keep the honest man honest
[08:30:24] <weenerdog> yeh sorry
[08:30:38] <miss0r|office> weenerdog: Hehe that is for workarea safety. I.e. symbolic shutoff
[08:30:43] <JT-Mobile> https://www.amazon.com
[08:30:54] <JT-Mobile> yea that is just plastic
[08:31:57] <jymmm> im speaking of the quick connect lockout, a ball valve with a tab to add a padlock
[08:32:20] <weenerdog> i know a guy who keeps a gas can sitting outside his barn with well-sugared gas just to wean thieves from sucking eggs
[08:32:50] <jymmm> so idont accidentally turn on the gas
[08:34:33] <jymmm> the generator has a 3/8 tapered end,
[08:34:33] <jymmm> so that to a quick connect fitting?
[08:35:22] <weenerdog> maaaaaaan i gotta go to boone today. dread the traffic.
[08:36:51] <miss0r|office> jymmm: Do you have rs-online over there?
[08:37:20] <jymmm> lmao... hey, I'm i ever lose bead on a tire, just connect it to the propane :)
[08:37:46] <jymmm> miss no, that's a uk chain
[08:38:18] <miss0r|office> well.. We have it in Denmark as well
[08:39:11] <miss0r|office> That would've just been a realy nice place to locate such a quick disconnect
[08:39:25] <jymmm> ok, eu chain
[08:39:44] <miss0r|office> Also, you have me wondering; You are aware that miss0r is not Miss. 0r, right? :)
[08:40:13] <jymmm> jt did you use 100% brass quick connect fittings, or did they have the steel balls inside?
[08:40:31] <jymmm> miss no tab completion on Android
[08:40:49] <miss0r|office> hehe. makes sense. :)
[08:41:30] <JT-Mobile> just any old QD jymmm it don't matter the gas is off when you connect/disconnect
[08:41:52] <jymmm> jt ok, thanks
[08:42:17] <JT-Mobile> they all leak when disconnected anyway except the very expensive ones
[08:42:24] <jymmm> are the zinc ones ok to use?
[08:42:32] <JT-Mobile> yea
[08:42:42] <miss0r|office> I use them for air all the time :)
[08:42:47] <miss0r|office> :P
[08:43:12] <jymmm> jt heh, ok, thus the ball valve :)
[08:43:42] <miss0r|office> So; This generator of yours? You disconnect it when you are not using it?
[08:44:25] <jymmm> I'll have to sleeve the hose do to squirrels :)
[08:44:25] <jymmm> due*
[08:44:25] <jymmm> but got that figured it already
[08:44:35] <jymmm> miss yes
[08:45:09] <miss0r|office> why ? :D Is it a place you do not come too often? or are often away from in long periods?
[08:45:36] <jymmm> miss it normally uses 5 gal bbq tank, but if there's a long black out, i don't want to chance it
[08:46:31] <miss0r|office> I get that. Why not keep it hooked up to the big tank permanently?
[08:46:35] <jymmm> miss just don't have a dog House for it yet
[08:46:59] <jymmm> need to pour a slab
[08:47:12] <JT-Mobile> someone might walk by and steal it
[08:47:15] <jymmm> and theft
[08:47:16] <miss0r|office> hehe indeed. Please excuse my curiosity gere.
[08:47:34] <jymmm> miss no worries, it's all good
[08:47:56] <miss0r|office> theft is a realy serious issue in the states, ha?
[08:48:15] <jymmm> in the mountains, yes
[08:48:29] <jymmm> lots of homeless
[08:48:48] <JT-Mobile> miss0r|office: depends on where you live
[08:48:55] <miss0r|office> And here I was thinking they'd stick to the cities
[08:49:28] <miss0r|office> JT-Mobile: Quote from south park: "Here in Canada we have a program to deal with the homeless. It is called winter"
[08:49:38] <jymmm> miss they chop trees and sell the firewood
[08:49:42] <JT-Mobile> my neighbor has a sign on his driveway "Due to the rising cost of ammunition I will no long give a warning shot"
[08:49:55] <miss0r|office> JT-Mobile: hahaha
[08:50:06] <JT-Mobile> longer
[08:50:09] <miss0r|office> jymmm: That sounds like what is happending in eastern europe
[08:51:07] <JT-Mobile> when I first bought the property my neighbor asked me if I was putting in a yard light and I said no, I prefer night vision goggles so they don't have a clue
[08:51:42] <miss0r|office> I love the humor revolving around it.. But I think the issue is.. well - an issue :)
[08:51:42] <jymmm> can i use white teflon tape, lots of it?
[08:51:52] <miss0r|office> yes you can
[08:52:08] <jymmm> cool
[08:54:05] <jymmm> miss the biggest thing I've seen about homeless is mental health
[08:54:41] <jymmm> ... at least up here in this area in the city
[08:55:07] <miss0r|office> Yeah. Most homeless people probably want something better for themselves
[08:55:22] <miss0r|office> But not being right in the head can limit that option for you, no doubt.
[08:56:02] <jymmm> you would be surprised, plus there are groups just scamming people for handouts,
[08:56:50] <miss0r|office> I find it all realy fucked up. I mean; You 'want' to help people. But the people scamming for handouts just wrecks that part
[08:57:27] <jymmm> alright guys, thanks for the help, it's 6am and don't know how long the drive will be, it's normally 90 minutes over the mountain, but we're the repopulation, no clue.
[08:57:42] <jymmm> with*
[08:57:46] <weenerdog> vaya con dios man
[08:57:48] <miss0r|office> Alright. Have a good one
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[08:58:02] <jymmm> :)
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[08:58:43] <weenerdog> https://www.amazon.com <-- junk? or take a lot of headaches out of my build?
[08:59:38] <miss0r|office> weenerdog: It 'could' start with a "J".. but it depends on what you are building
[09:00:07] <weenerdog> just a 3 axis wood router, miss0r
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[09:00:25] <miss0r|office> well, for wood they are probably fine
[09:00:47] <miss0r|office> The fact that the linear rails are supported along the length, is always a good thing :)
[09:01:01] <weenerdog> not making aerospace stuff :) need to hold like .050
[09:01:15] <Rab> weenerdog, mm or in? ;)
[09:01:32] <weenerdog> merican :)
[09:01:42] <Rab> Supported rails are good.
[09:01:43] <miss0r|office> then they are quite fine enough
[09:03:02] <miss0r|office> With those tolerances, you could get away with running a wooden leadscrew :D
[09:03:53] <weenerdog> i just want to rough carve the arched soundboards. i'll still have to tune them by hand.
[09:04:07] <miss0r|office> Then what you linked is excellent
[09:04:40] <miss0r|office> if you were planning to do <0.01mm in steel; it would not :)
[09:04:55] <weenerdog> seems like a cheap simple way to build a @100 cm machine
[09:05:32] <miss0r|office> well... the linear rails are 1000mm
[09:06:04] <Rab> Domestic Prime shipping is good, means if you get them and they feel crunchy you can easily send them back.
[09:06:12] <miss0r|office> when you then remove the linear bushings, which are probably 50mm each, and you don't want them right next to eachother - you want some distance for stability, then you don't realy get 1000mm travel
[09:06:50] <weenerdog> 600 x 600 is the workspace i'm looking for so 1000 is cool
[09:07:44] <Rab> weenerdog, are you planning on moving gantry or moving bed?
[09:07:52] <weenerdog> moving gantry
[09:07:59] <weenerdog> coward's way out
[09:09:10] <Rab> 1000mm rails would be more than fine.
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[09:10:09] <weenerdog> hm... this is getting doable
[09:10:26] <miss0r|office> sure it is :D
[09:11:09] <weenerdog> says in the q&a they'll give up cad drawings of their stuff if you email. mad scientist mode engage :)
[09:12:03] <weenerdog> i knew i was saving those three sheets of birch ply for something sweet
[09:13:31] <JT-Mobile> all right packing up here getting ready to head home see everyone there
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[09:14:34] <weenerdog> safe travels
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[09:46:47] <weenerdog> adios muchachos
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[09:47:10] <Loetmichel> MAAAAN that was finnicky... got the HDMI/FFC pcb soldered that lost its traces because of to wide Mill bit: http://www.cyrom.org
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[10:00:50] <Rab> Loetmichel, nice work!
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[12:16:21] <fragalot> Hi
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[12:43:21] <miss0r|office> hello
[12:44:22] * miss0r|office has caught a case of pneumonia and is feeling a bit under the weather
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[12:46:50] <fragalot> again?
[12:46:56] <fragalot> you should consider not doing that
[12:53:38] <miss0r|office> meh... its been a year since last time? :)
[12:54:11] <miss0r|office> Thing is; My kid drags home every possible combination of germs, and my imunesystem is like a street party. Everyone can come
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[13:04:07] <CaptHindsight> miss0r|office: are you you mean pneumonia and not the flu or a cold?
[13:04:27] <miss0r|office> yep. got some antibiotics from the doctor and everything
[13:04:30] <fragalot> man flu.
[13:04:36] <fragalot> :P
[13:04:37] <CaptHindsight> pneumonia is pretty serious
[13:06:21] <miss0r|office> It can be. But for a guy my age, it usualy is not
[13:06:35] * miss0r|office slaps fragalot with man flu
[13:07:02] <CaptHindsight> did that guy ~12 hours ago give up on the CNC trials or did he lose some fingers?
[13:07:23] <miss0r|office> What are we talking about here?
[13:08:29] <Loetmichel> chunkypuffs?
[13:08:56] <CaptHindsight> some guy at a makerspace had some German CNC and access to Fusion360 but didn't know and endmill from a drill bit
[13:08:58] <MarcelineVQ> He had the stream itself running well, it was too late for me to watch
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[13:09:21] <MarcelineVQ> as in too late at night
[13:09:28] <Loetmichel> no idea, according to my scrollback he left with "[05:08] <ChunkyPuffs> Well fuck, everyone that was on earlier is dead"
[13:10:04] <CaptHindsight> then he changed nicks
[13:10:26] <CaptHindsight> matthew1> bout to start, watch as it fails and kills me live on stream
[13:10:26] <CaptHindsight> <matthew1> I'm cutting
[13:10:26] <CaptHindsight> <matthew1> rip my ears
[13:11:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scorchworks.com
[13:12:05] <CaptHindsight> I was asking last night if anyone has come across a utility to merge 2 g-code routines together or ...
[13:13:00] <CaptHindsight> if you had canned g-code say for engraving flat stock and then you changed to stock with contours you could just modify the g-code vs start over again in CAM
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[13:13:35] <miss0r|office> hah. I would've liked to see that
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[13:13:56] <CaptHindsight> G-code to DXF using ^^ above tool and then back to CAM is one option
[13:14:03] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: It's probably quicker just to hit the tools with a hammer.
[13:14:46] <miss0r|office> that sounds realy odd
[13:14:54] <miss0r|office> I feel like I've missed out here
[13:14:59] <gloops> aspire does that
[13:15:12] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: I told him to go for it and make jewely/gifts from the broken tooling when he runs out
[13:15:36] <gloops> project toolpath onto 3d object
[13:16:23] <miss0r|office> "german cnc" makes it sounds fancy... was it?
[13:16:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.vectric.com
[13:16:45] <SpeedEvil> It would be neat if it was gotten working well, but a lot of broken tooling seems likely before then.
[13:17:22] <miss0r|office> No pictures/video clips leftover?
[13:17:26] * miss0r|office is hungry for details
[13:17:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.twitch.tv was the stream
[13:18:41] <miss0r|office> not much left to look at now
[13:18:51] <miss0r|office> SO: Someone trying a cnc for the first time?
[13:18:59] <CaptHindsight> yes
[13:19:01] <miss0r|office> fancy new cnc mill?
[13:19:05] <miss0r|office> or some old junker
[13:19:11] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: can't you just run a renishaw macro to make it adjust for whatever you throw in there? :D
[13:19:14] <CaptHindsight> didn't want to know about any g-code
[13:19:31] <CaptHindsight> just wanted to generate some path and go at it
[13:19:33] <miss0r|office> ha
[13:19:47] <miss0r|office> well.. Don't we all just want to see the thing move on its on? :D
[13:19:57] <miss0r|office> fragalot: have you made any progress on the cnc?
[13:20:07] <CaptHindsight> some CNC with German controller is all he said to me
[13:20:28] <miss0r|office> That sounds a bit vauge :D
[13:21:41] <fragalot> miss0r|office: i've shifted things around to make room for it, but I still need to figure out how the hell i'm going to manhandle the thing once it's cast
[13:22:09] <miss0r|office> pffft. that sounds dangerously close to 'planning'... :D
[13:22:22] <fragalot> planning.. panicking.. same thing, right? :D
[13:22:23] <CaptHindsight> I'd say put a pencil in the quill eraser side down and just have several goes...
[13:22:23] <CaptHindsight> when you think you have it down replace the pencil with a dull knife and trace your hand
[13:23:06] <CaptHindsight> https://media1.tenor.com
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[13:25:03] <Loetmichel> miss0r|office: he has the worst possible machine: a HeiZ
[13:25:34] <miss0r|office> fragalot: hehe, nah. Get that neighboor of yours to come lift
[13:25:58] <fragalot> miss0r|office: he's buggered off to new zealand for an "indefinite period"
[13:26:02] <fragalot> (he does that a lot)
[13:26:05] <CaptHindsight> gloops: interesting but not open or free
[13:26:13] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: you mean like i do here? -> https://www.youtube.com
[13:26:19] <fragalot> comes back, works his ass off, once he's piled up enoguh savings he just runs off until money runs out
[13:26:22] <fragalot> :P
[13:26:28] <miss0r|office> Loetmichel: Those are just fairytales.. They are not real..
[13:27:11] <Loetmichel> miss0r: apparently they are.. but even lower quality than one can assume of the pics on their website
[13:27:15] <miss0r|office> fragalot: He probably felt a disturbance in the force.. i.e. you about to cast :D
[13:27:22] <miss0r|office> Can't you fit an engine hoist in there?
[13:27:23] <fragalot> miss0r|office: :-)
[13:27:35] <fragalot> not if I want to be able to manouvre it after it's been deployed
[13:27:43] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: thats why you have a bunch of fingers and not just 1
[13:28:04] <miss0r|office> You would't realy have to. You'd just need it to change orientation of the cast. then lower it on to some wheels for moving around
[13:28:10] <Loetmichel> https://www.cnc-step.de <- that thing is REALLY bad
[13:28:54] <fragalot> Loetmichel: but it's 20% off
[13:28:55] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: so you can lose a few?
[13:29:15] <CaptHindsight> Nema17 stepper driven lead screw gantry?
[13:29:43] <Loetmichel> fragalot: we have a saying in germany: "geschenkt ist noch zu teuer"... i would say that fits that "CNC router" pretty well
[13:29:58] <Loetmichel> ("for free is still to expensive")
[13:31:11] <miss0r|office> Indeed
[13:31:19] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: nah, i think they are nema23.. but it has a travel of 1000*600mm and 20mm round unsupported rails
[13:31:24] <Loetmichel> any more questions?
[13:31:25] <miss0r|office> That thing is like an overprised version of my first chinesium cnc router
[13:31:25] <CaptHindsight> "you can't pay me enough to take it"
[13:31:43] <Loetmichel> miss0r: chinese 6040 are smaller but WAY more rigid
[13:31:53] <miss0r|office> Loetmichel: The steppers are recycles hand mixer motors, supported by bend nails
[13:32:44] <miss0r|office> They use the sidewalk outside the factory to lap the surface plate flat with
[13:33:03] <miss0r|office> and they put it together with the paint still wet, so it has a more rigid feel to it
[13:33:17] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: and not even ball cages on the rails... bronce bushings... https://www.cnc-step.de
[13:34:31] <CaptHindsight> where do we stand on Ichs? Denial, anger, acceptance?
[13:34:53] <CaptHindsight> don't stand on him it's not respectful
[13:35:53] <CaptHindsight> why would his familywant all of his links, postings, videos etc be removed?
[13:39:52] <miss0r|office> I have never figured that out
[13:40:06] <miss0r|office> perhaps it was hoted on a server he kept under a desk. and the family cleaned up?
[13:40:29] <CaptHindsight> they pulled his youtubes
[13:40:57] <CaptHindsight> they went to every site he had accounts on and removed every thing they could
[13:41:16] <CaptHindsight> I can understand closing them to save them from hacking
[13:41:41] <CaptHindsight> but they wanted everything wiped
[13:41:59] <miss0r|office> That is odd.
[13:42:03] <fragalot> perhaps it was his wish?
[13:42:10] <fragalot> he did like to "start over" regularly from what I heard
[13:42:11] <miss0r|office> I don't know what to tell'ya. Maybe he wanted it that way
[13:42:27] <miss0r|office> its alot of work for someone to do so.. Not sure they'd just *DO* it without someone asking them
[13:42:31] <CaptHindsight> is there some sort of legend that his soul will walk the webs?
[13:42:34] <CaptHindsight> could be
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[13:44:08] <CaptHindsight> well he retired, got his dream of working as a park ranger for 3 years..
[13:44:15] <CaptHindsight> then returned to teaching
[13:44:56] <rmu> Loetmichel: my heizfräse has decent stepper motors
[13:45:27] <Loetmichel> rmu: thats about the only thing thats decent on those things
[13:45:31] <rmu> so i wouldn't mind getting one for free, for parts
[13:45:44] <Loetmichel> and only because they coulndt get worse ones ;)
[13:46:28] <rmu> the way they mount the bushings for the linear rails is a joke
[13:47:07] <CaptHindsight> yes but do they make money selling them?
[13:47:25] <CaptHindsight> everything else is anelephant
[13:48:09] <rmu> you can use it for boring holes into emmentalre
[13:48:38] <CaptHindsight> say all you have is brick cheese and you need some swiss for a sandwich
[13:48:50] <CaptHindsight> problem solved
[13:49:24] <rmu> cheese is about the maximum stiffness you can mill on this thing without flexing the z-axis too much
[13:49:46] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes that's gouda nough.
[13:50:24] <rmu> you could mill a circle into 1mm aluminum or even thin steel (very slowly) provided you already have a pilot-hole, drilling the hole is not really possible
[13:52:14] <CaptHindsight> machining the 4 basic food groups
[13:52:47] <CaptHindsight> do they teach that over there?
[13:52:57] <miss0r|office> CaptHindsight: What cheese? You can't put hard cheese in there, you'll overload it
[13:53:20] <fragalot> warp the bed under the weight
[13:53:42] <miss0r|office> hahaha yeah. Even if you *JUST* cleaned, I wouldn't eat anything that touched that table
[13:54:08] <miss0r|office> fragalot: Not everyone buys cheese in whole wheels. just saying
[13:54:13] <fragalot> CaptHindsight: how else do you peel onions?
[13:54:16] <fragalot> miss0r|office: really?
[13:54:24] <fragalot> nothing beats a good wheel of blue cheese
[13:54:24] <miss0r|office> IKR
[13:54:43] <miss0r|office> Couldn't agree with you more
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[13:59:43] <miss0r|office> I've thought about buying a wheel of cheese before.. like a 50kg one
[13:59:46] <MarcelineVQ> mushroms, bleu cheese, garlic, and raw onion, breakfast skillet of champions
[13:59:53] <miss0r|office> They can stay good for 10+ years.
[14:00:11] <miss0r|office> But once you open them, they go bad within 6 months...
[14:00:15] <fragalot> lol
[14:00:20] <miss0r|office> and I don't see myself eating 50kgs of cheese in 6 months
[14:00:29] <miss0r|office> well.. not surviving atleast
[14:00:49] <MarcelineVQ> We shred cheese and freeze it in bags with a little air to cushion them against each other, lasts plently long enough for us
[14:01:01] <MarcelineVQ> lets you buy it on sale every time that way
[14:01:22] <miss0r|office> Indeed. But does that allow for you to have a 50kgs cheese wheel laying around on a shelf in your basement? I think not
[14:01:36] <MarcelineVQ> Wouldn't do that for sandwitch cheeze though, freezing can affect texure
[14:01:48] <MarcelineVQ> It's all the same for melted stuff though
[14:02:20] <MarcelineVQ> it's true, it's hard to show off a cheese wheel to impress your neighbors and your boss when it's shredded and frozen
[14:02:45] <miss0r|office> my point exactly :D
[14:02:47] <MarcelineVQ> Consider decoative gourds for a similar affect
[14:03:17] <MarcelineVQ> or wine you've made yourself and talk about with a snooty accent hehe
[14:04:40] <miss0r|office> If I made wine myself I *would* be proud.. Its only wine grape friendly here every 3rt or 4th year :)
[14:04:44] <MarcelineVQ> Not mead though, people will think you're a weirdo
[14:05:08] <miss0r|office> meh... I thought about that as well :)
[14:05:22] <MarcelineVQ> If you live on a coast you can make birch beer to fit in with the locals
[14:05:27] <miss0r|office> But *DO* consider, I am danish - so it has a touch of genuinity to it
[14:06:23] <fragalot> danes? genuine? I thought your country was as made up as belgium is
[14:06:39] <miss0r|office> Don't drag us down with you!
[14:06:48] <MarcelineVQ> That's fair, mead is probably much more reasonable to a skondi, which is a word I​just made up now that probably exists and hopefully isn't derogatory
[14:08:26] <miss0r|office> WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL ME ?!
[14:08:28] <fragalot> miss0r|office: https://www.youtube.com <--
[14:08:31] <miss0r|office> It wasnt :)
[14:08:32] <MarcelineVQ> You heard me!
[14:08:35] <fragalot> 0:28 (ish)
[14:09:10] <miss0r|office> fragalot: I watched that episode.. but it doesn't burn... everyone knows you can't trust the swedes with anything :D
[14:09:18] <fragalot> :-)
[14:09:19] <MarcelineVQ> I really like that show, only saw first couple seasons iirc
[14:10:01] <miss0r|office> Too bad they had some swedes badmouth us danes.. :D
[14:10:13] <miss0r|office> I love the quite ridiculous swedish accent.. :D
[14:10:23] <miss0r|office> Everyone knows swedes are far worse :P
[14:12:47] <miss0r|office> I liked that show also.. I've only ever seen what netflix had to offer. so the first three seasons I think
[14:12:57] <fragalot> it has the first 6 I think
[14:13:01] <fragalot> (at least here)
[14:13:09] <miss0r|office> On netflix?
[14:13:12] <fragalot> yeah
[14:13:33] <fragalot> 5.
[14:13:46] <miss0r|office> 4 seaons here in dk
[14:14:14] <Loetmichel> *gnhihi* just walked by our bedroom. wife has an "IKEA JANSÖ" as a nightstand-lamp. which is flickering a bit for weeks now... when i came by it was flickering in earnest. so i walked in, switched it off blew a few times into the cord switch it has, switched it back on: flickering gone. (those inline cors switches are prone to dust collection on the contacts)... wife: "what? so easy? i was
[14:14:14] <Loetmichel> annoyed by the flickering for weeks now!"
[14:14:41] <fragalot> sometimes it's the easy things
[14:14:55] <miss0r|office> What a superman fix :)
[14:14:56] <fragalot> cousin of mine had been struggling with her door not closing properly for (apparently) the last 2 years
[14:15:43] <fragalot> took her to the shop, bought her some moly spray, squirted that into the door latch,.. problem gone.
[14:16:01] <fragalot> >.>
[14:16:49] <miss0r|office> :]
[14:17:26] <miss0r|office> I hope you held her hand like she was a 5yo having a tantrum and you were the ever patient rolemodel :D
[14:18:04] <miss0r|office> he/she... cousin is a stupid word.. it can be both. Here we have seprate names for male/female cousins
[14:18:14] <fragalot> agreed
[14:18:20] <fragalot> doesn't matter for the narrative though
[14:18:29] <fragalot> both genders can be absolutely inept :D
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[14:18:58] <miss0r|office> indeed
[14:19:24] <fragalot> also, I'm really happy with the new welder :D
[14:19:28] <fragalot> however!
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[14:19:55] <fragalot> if you are half-sitting on a mill to steady yourself whilst welding.. and also lean onto th epart a little.. and you ignite the HF start
[14:20:03] <fragalot> but the ground clamp fell off
[14:20:04] <fragalot> ooh boy.
[14:20:14] <miss0r|office> hahahaha
[14:20:16] <miss0r|office> yeah...
[14:20:20] <miss0r|office> that will wake'ya up
[14:20:25] <fragalot> :D
[14:21:03] <miss0r|office> that HW HF can generate a quite noticable tingling sensation :)
[14:21:26] <fragalot> not sure if i'd still describe it as "tingling" xD
[14:21:54] <miss0r|office> :D
[14:22:46] <miss0r|office> I'll raise you one
[14:23:05] <miss0r|office> I once had a had ground clamp; so I got a realy nice wack over the hand from the pilot
[14:23:30] <fragalot> try saying that again
[14:23:31] <miss0r|office> Which resulted in a mussle spasm that made me hit myself in the groin
[14:23:44] <fragalot> lol
[14:23:55] <miss0r|office> I was amazed and pissed off at the same time
[14:33:23] <miss0r|office> I'll call it a night. Part of having pneumonia means eating you medicine and going to bed early... No slacking off at work!
[14:33:47] <fragalot> cya
[14:33:58] <miss0r|office> well.. today and yesterday I only worked ½ days. But the boss-man wasn't pleased about it ;)
[14:34:01] <miss0r|office> See you around
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[15:04:10] <gloops> https://www.pinterest.co.uk
[15:05:05] <Loetmichel> gloops: looks like a "spirograph" to me
[15:05:30] <gloops> yeah thats what it is basically
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[15:47:06] <CaptHindsight> https://postimg.cc like this? ^^ li8nk doesn't load for me
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[15:50:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.thisiscolossal.com
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[17:16:06] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:37:29] <matthew1> anybody on from yday?
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[17:40:25] <CaptHindsight> ah you missed everyone by 4 hours (:
[17:40:33] <matthew1> yeah bout to go live again
[17:40:41] <CaptHindsight> but you made it out alive, good news!
[17:40:44] <matthew1> we'll see if I don't break a bit
[17:40:57] <matthew1> I did it, but I don't quite get how to set stock in fusion, maybe you can teach me on a gcode level
[17:41:41] <matthew1> be back one sec
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[17:42:55] <ChunkyPuffs> right I'm back, with the right username, weechat lol
[17:45:27] <ChunkyPuffs> https://twitch.tv
[17:45:31] <ChunkyPuffs> I'll be on shortly
[17:45:40] <ChunkyPuffs> just need a piss
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[18:17:12] <ChunkyPuffs> CaptHindsight: you still around?
[18:22:05] <ChunkyPuffs> live
[18:24:40] <ChunkyPuffs> let me know when you're tuned in and can help with this shitty software
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[18:45:01] <ChunkyPuffs> Nobody able to help with this stock problem I'm having in Fusion360?
[18:45:20] <ChunkyPuffs> my object is 12mm, my stock is 12.2mm, why can't I set the stock like this in fusion properly?
[18:53:22] <ChunkyPuffs> you guys are all sleeping like old men lol
[18:53:55] <Tom_itx> or ignoring you
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[18:54:08] <Tom_L> i don't use fusion 360
[18:54:45] <ChunkyPuffs> well we've got gcode in a moment tom Tom_L
[18:54:49] <Tom_L> and you should be able to set the stock like you want it
[18:54:57] <ChunkyPuffs> https://twitch.tv
[18:55:01] <ChunkyPuffs> you can assist maaaaybe
[18:55:08] <Tom_L> no i can't
[18:55:12] <ChunkyPuffs> this shitty kinetic software is the bane of my existence
[18:55:15] <Tom_L> i'm leaving
[18:55:21] <ChunkyPuffs> welp, bye
[18:55:49] <Tom_L> you insisted on using it because it has adaptive material removal
[18:55:56] <ChunkyPuffs> which? fusion?
[18:56:02] <Tom_L> uh huh
[18:56:04] <ChunkyPuffs> no fusion is great
[18:56:12] <ChunkyPuffs> kineticCNC is the software that sends the gcode
[18:56:16] <Tom_L> not if you can't get the tool to work for you
[18:56:19] <ChunkyPuffs> it's proprietary cnc stuff
[18:56:23] <ChunkyPuffs> I did some successful cuts earlier
[18:56:33] <Tom_L> fusion has a linuxcnc post
[18:56:47] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm still too noob to know what that means
[18:56:49] <Tom_L> later
[18:57:19] <ChunkyPuffs> cya, thanks
[19:07:30] <ChunkyPuffs> cutting time
[19:08:05] <jthornton> yea I'm home
[19:09:56] <ChunkyPuffs> you watching the stream?
[19:09:59] <ChunkyPuffs> might be a bit loud lol
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[19:33:50] * jthornton reads back to Tom_L comment and chuckles
[19:41:23] <ChunkyPuffs> so my bit snapped
[19:41:27] <ChunkyPuffs> motherfucker
[19:43:53] <Tom_L> funny guy ehh?
[19:44:10] <ChunkyPuffs> why did my bit snap :(
[19:44:18] <ChunkyPuffs> the toolpath looks fine
[19:44:24] <Tom_L> because you didn't test it without one first
[19:44:26] <gregcnc> clearly bit off more than it could chew
[19:44:39] <ChunkyPuffs> it cut out a large portion just fine
[19:44:51] <ChunkyPuffs> then just snapped at a certain point
[19:45:00] <gregcnc> could be many reasons
[19:45:03] <ChunkyPuffs> can show if you tune in, toolpath and where it snapped
[19:45:07] <ChunkyPuffs> if there's any intuition
[19:45:23] <gregcnc> post the code?
[19:45:40] <Tom_L> how did you set the the tool?
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[19:45:50] <Tom_L> how did you set the material zero?
[19:45:55] <ChunkyPuffs> touch plate
[19:45:57] <ChunkyPuffs> calipers
[19:45:58] <Tom_L> was the spindle on?
[19:46:04] <Tom_L> all sorts of unknowns here
[19:46:05] <ChunkyPuffs> the spindle was on and cut a nice portion
[19:46:12] <ChunkyPuffs> tune in and there'll be less unknowns
[19:46:20] <Tom_L> i just returned
[19:46:57] <Tom_L> how rigid is the machine?
[19:47:01] <ChunkyPuffs> lemme know when you're watching so I can talk to you
[19:47:12] <Tom_L> if the machine isn't rigid enough you will continue to break tools
[19:47:15] <ChunkyPuffs> the machine is rigid, I don't really think that's why a 2.7mm bit snapped
[19:47:22] <methods_> lol
[19:47:28] <Tom_L> 2.7 isn't that big
[19:47:35] * methods_ giggles
[19:48:07] <gregcnc> jumping into CNC neck deep isn't that easy, but it's one way to learn
[19:48:09] <Tom_L> explain the steps you did to set the tool length offset
[19:48:21] <methods_> what doc
[19:48:26] <ChunkyPuffs> let me know when you're watching so I can do that with the actual software I'm using, on screen
[19:48:26] <Tom_L> trial by fire and pocketbook for new tools
[19:48:44] <Tom_L> i'm right here
[19:49:04] <jthornton> makes no difference if someone is watching you break stuff
[19:49:12] <Tom_L> :D
[19:49:21] <methods_> is that mdf you're cutting?
[19:49:29] <Tom_L> at least i won't get injured from here
[19:50:06] <Tom_L> where does fusion360 say Z zero is located?
[19:50:24] <Tom_L> what's your z clear distance?
[19:50:51] <Tom_L> what feeds and speeds are you using?
[19:51:27] <methods_> is that a 4fl end mill?
[19:51:30] <methods_> on mdf?
[19:52:00] <Tom_L> methods_ what happens when you rub 2 sticks together real fast?
[19:52:09] <methods_> lol
[19:52:11] <Tom_L> :)
[19:52:29] <methods_> you get to buy more endmills?
[19:52:39] <Tom_L> or burn the house down
[19:53:15] <methods_> bonus
[19:53:36] <Tom_L> so far i haven't seen any hard numbers as to where the material or tool is or how fast it's burning it
[19:54:30] <gregcnc> check your clearance planes
[19:54:47] <ChunkyPuffs> are you listening to audio?
[19:54:59] <Tom_L> i may have f360 installed but i'm not gonna fire it up
[19:55:04] <ChunkyPuffs> I told you the hard numbers
[19:55:16] <Tom_L> i'm not on the live feed, i'm right here
[19:55:18] <gregcnc> this is why we type here, it's easy to reference
[19:55:31] <ChunkyPuffs> ..
[19:55:36] <Tom_L> then i can scroll back if i forget what you said which is quite likely
[19:55:43] <ChunkyPuffs> So you're not going to look at the stream
[19:55:51] <ChunkyPuffs> despite the stream literally having everything you want to see
[19:55:57] <ChunkyPuffs> on screen, and described by me in voice
[19:56:00] <gregcnc> it's tiny
[19:56:10] <ChunkyPuffs> yeah I asked if it was too tiny, and explained it all before hand
[19:56:15] <Tom_L> i'd rather go sort my sock drawer
[19:56:58] <ChunkyPuffs> anyway, despite me telling you 3 times in various ways, the feedrate is 500mm/s at 5000rpm
[19:57:21] <methods_> depth of cut?
[19:57:23] <ChunkyPuffs> 500mm/min
[19:57:37] <methods_> number of flutes on the end mill
[19:57:42] <Tom_L> that's not an obsured feedrate
[19:57:49] <methods_> you're trying to cut 12mm deep with 2.7mm end mill?
[19:57:55] <Tom_L> you may want to use 2 or 3 flutes instead of 4
[19:58:23] <Tom_L> it's a bit on the fast side for that cutter not knowing how ridid your machine is
[19:58:37] <gregcnc> only 5kRPM too
[19:58:53] <Tom_L> ~20 ipm
[19:58:53] <ChunkyPuffs> 12the door handle on the cnc room broke
[19:58:55] <ChunkyPuffs> now I'm stuck lol
[19:59:13] <methods_> we'll notify the authorities
[20:00:26] <methods_> maybe try 500mm/min on the door
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[20:01:20] <ChunkyPuffs> right, I've already explained what you've asked for 3 times now on the stream
[20:01:24] <ChunkyPuffs> every single detail
[20:01:40] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm talking to nothing
[20:01:42] <Tom_L> a 4 flute endmill is likely to load up with chips and just start burning the material
[20:01:53] <ChunkyPuffs> well it didn't and I've got proof
[20:02:03] <methods_> especially at 4-5xd
[20:02:08] <gregcnc> are you here to learn?
[20:02:10] <ChunkyPuffs> I have plenty of successful cuts and nothing is burnt, it's mdf
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[20:02:14] <jthornton> isn't there a #fusion360 channel?
[20:02:31] <ChunkyPuffs> Yes gregcnc I'm here to learn instead of being asked the same question over and over whilst getting no response
[20:02:40] <ChunkyPuffs> I am streaming for the purpose of making it easier to learn
[20:02:40] <jthornton> wow I got a 73 gram egg from the other day
[20:03:06] <methods_> you're using the wrong tool for the job it will continue to break
[20:03:26] <ChunkyPuffs> why is it the wrong tool for the job?
[20:03:33] <Tom_L> kineticCNC isn't your problem if all it does is send the code to the machine
[20:03:36] <ChunkyPuffs> can I talk to you or do I have to keep typing?
[20:03:36] <methods_> it's loading up with chips you're cutting
[20:03:38] <ChunkyPuffs> let me know
[20:03:48] <Tom_L> i just explained about the tool
[20:03:55] <ChunkyPuffs> Idk if you're watching or not, but I need to know if I can talk instead of type
[20:03:59] <methods_> you need 2 flute end mill or a cutter made for mdf
[20:04:03] <gregcnc> please type
[20:04:06] <Tom_L> <Tom_L> a 4 flute endmill is likely to load up with chips and just start burning the material
[20:04:38] <methods_> if you don't want to use a 2fl end mill you can decrease your depth of cut and take more passes
[20:04:47] * jthornton wants to learn how to fly but doesn't want to waste time learning how...
[20:04:54] <ChunkyPuffs> You're being annoying
[20:04:58] <Tom_L> i would slow the feedrate down until you get a good result
[20:05:03] <ChunkyPuffs> I can't do shit without showing you the fucking cut
[20:05:10] <Tom_L> i can stop being annoying really fast
[20:05:14] <methods_> taking 12mm depth of cut with a 3mm end mill you're just asking to break it
[20:05:16] <ChunkyPuffs> I've shown it now and explained everything 3 times on stream
[20:05:16] <gregcnc> we've helped countless without as much as a pci
[20:05:19] <gregcnc> pci
[20:05:24] <gregcnc> pic
[20:05:35] <Tom_L> but nobody i know of is watching the video as i also explained
[20:05:40] <jthornton> hmm how does ignore work again?
[20:05:45] <ChunkyPuffs> yes, but when I've set up the stream for the purpose of showing you EXACTLY what I"m doing
[20:05:56] <Tom_L> not how we roll here
[20:05:57] <ChunkyPuffs> it's really annoying that you won't simply click a link
[20:06:05] <jthornton> try the forum they like videos
[20:06:08] <ChunkyPuffs> I have a view port on each of my machines
[20:06:24] <Tom_L> also as annoying that you ask for help and don't wanna comply to our requests
[20:06:26] <ChunkyPuffs> the machine sending gcode is on screen, fusion360's toolpaths and data are on screen, and I can talk
[20:06:32] <ChunkyPuffs> I am complying to your requests
[20:06:36] <gregcnc> what was depth of cut on successful paths?
[20:06:41] <ChunkyPuffs> when you said "I'm here" I assumed on the stream I linked
[20:06:50] <ChunkyPuffs> Instead of forcing me to get RSI on this shitty fucking keyboard
[20:06:51] <methods_> the end mill can handle full doc cuts for awhile
[20:06:57] <methods_> eventually it won't though
[20:07:25] <methods_> mdf is hell on tooling
[20:07:32] <ChunkyPuffs> Whatever, hopefully you can understand when I've been talking to a brick wall for 20 minutes because you didn't tell me you weren't watching until I asked 20 minutes later,
[20:07:43] <ChunkyPuffs> Moving on, let me know what I did wrong providing I give you the right details.,
[20:08:02] <Tom_L> how did you set the tool length offset?
[20:08:09] <ChunkyPuffs> Calipers
[20:08:10] <Tom_L> explain in detail
[20:08:12] <jthornton> ah much quieter now that I've figured out how to ignore
[20:08:12] <ChunkyPuffs> fusion 360
[20:08:13] * methods_ goes to throw some turkeys in brine
[20:08:17] <gregcnc> calipers aren't used for that
[20:08:21] <Tom_L> jthornton how was the trip?
[20:08:31] <ChunkyPuffs> Then I don't know what you mean by tool length offset
[20:08:42] <ChunkyPuffs> maybe if you tuned into the stream and looked at the diagram fusion has, you could tell me what part of it that is
[20:08:44] <Tom_L> then that's part of your problem
[20:08:51] <jthornton> very nice the sun finally came out yesterday but we had a good time
[20:09:15] <gregcnc> the pocket that was cut, is it the expected depth?
[20:09:32] <ChunkyPuffs> yes greg
[20:09:44] <ChunkyPuffs> I have no idea if I can talk to you or show you
[20:09:58] <ChunkyPuffs> there's a magical technology called the internet and I can stream bytes of video directly to you, and I can show you
[20:10:02] <Tom_L> you need to match the z zero on your mill to where you told the cad model it was located
[20:10:22] <Tom_L> then you need to tell the mill software how long the tool is
[20:10:34] <Tom_L> calipers aren't used for that
[20:10:37] <ChunkyPuffs> 10mm
[20:10:46] <gregcnc> was it supposed to be 10mm?
[20:10:50] <gregcnc> I have no idea?
[20:11:01] <ChunkyPuffs> well on stream, I can show you
[20:11:03] <gregcnc> anyhow. there are two parts to this process
[20:11:07] <jthornton> wow I'm 2GB to the good on bandwidth for the month and I still won't watch
[20:11:07] <Tom_L> what happens if you tell the machine to go to z zero?
[20:11:11] <ChunkyPuffs> I have the fusion model and the inspect tool
[20:11:18] <ChunkyPuffs> if you have shit internet I can understand but I don't expect that lol
[20:11:23] * Tom_L high 5's jthornton
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[20:11:50] <gregcnc> first CAM generates a tool path. then you must setup the machine to run the CAM
[20:11:57] <gregcnc> program
[20:11:58] <Tom_L> i have very good internet
[20:12:09] <gregcnc> poor setup will result in failures
[20:12:15] <CaptHindsight> I have more than one internets!
[20:13:08] <gregcnc> to do CAM correctly you must know what the machine and tooling is capable of
[20:13:32] <gregcnc> if the 2.7mm tool can't handle a 12.7mm pass --->> broken tool
[20:13:50] * jthornton internet comes from sputnik
[20:14:00] <Tom_L> i typically don't go deeper than the tool diameter in a pass
[20:14:03] <Tom_L> rule of thumb
[20:14:08] <methods_> ^^
[20:14:10] <gregcnc> if a tool breaks, it's been overloaded
[20:14:16] <gregcnc> reduce depth of cut
[20:14:17] <methods_> 5xd is bad
[20:14:23] <methods_> especially with the wrong tool
[20:14:27] <Tom_L> oh shit... i missed that part
[20:14:33] <ChunkyPuffs> so a 3mm tool can't do 12mm depth cuts?
[20:14:35] <Tom_L> that's what he's doing?
[20:14:39] <Tom_L> no
[20:14:42] <methods_> maybe a 2fl
[20:14:43] <gregcnc> yes
[20:14:46] <methods_> not a 4fl
[20:14:53] <methods_> it's gonna load up and break
[20:14:55] <ChunkyPuffs> so you're saying that if I simply want to cut something out, I must use a larger tool?
[20:14:56] <Tom_L> it can but you take finer cuts
[20:15:02] <Tom_L> ask zeeshan all about that
[20:15:05] <ChunkyPuffs> I can't do anything in cam to get the job done?
[20:15:07] <Tom_L> he likes to do it that way
[20:15:09] <methods_> take less depth of cut
[20:15:12] <methods_> 3mm depth of cut
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[20:15:20] <methods_> so do 4 passes
[20:15:20] <ChunkyPuffs> man, I'll come back when I've got more experience
[20:15:21] <Tom_L> take shallower cuts
[20:15:24] <ChunkyPuffs> you guys aren't noob friendly at all
[20:15:25] <methods_> at 3mm depth of cut each
[20:15:26] <gregcnc> yes, reduce depth of cut to make several passes
[20:15:30] <Tom_L> sure we are
[20:15:44] <Tom_L> but you expect us to bend an i don't think my back will now
[20:16:05] * methods_ throws Tom_L his cane
[20:16:22] <Tom_L> we will help you with anything and probably can
[20:16:45] <Tom_L> :)
[20:16:50] <Tom_L> figure of speech
[20:17:18] <Tom_L> reduce the depth of cut in your cad cam model
[20:17:26] * jthornton wanders upstairs to watch mash or something interesting
[20:17:44] <Tom_L> jthornton, seen the whole series
[20:17:49] <Tom_L> she taped them all
[20:18:08] <Tom_L> binge watched them for a while some time back
[20:19:01] <ChunkyPuffs> would you expect a 3mm bit to do 6mm?
[20:19:08] <Tom_L> depth?
[20:19:08] <ChunkyPuffs> because it did successfully yesterday
[20:19:09] <Tom_L> no
[20:19:15] <methods_> not a 4fl end mill in mdf
[20:19:28] <ChunkyPuffs> and furthermore, would you expect it to do 10mm?
[20:19:28] <Tom_L> maybe you just got lucky yesterday
[20:19:31] <ChunkyPuffs> because it just did
[20:19:34] <ChunkyPuffs> on this cut that failed
[20:19:42] <ChunkyPuffs> it failed on the outline of the model, the none pockets
[20:19:45] <methods_> you may get away with it for awhile
[20:19:49] <methods_> but eventually it will fail
[20:19:50] <ChunkyPuffs> it has no perimeter/trench or whatever
[20:20:00] <methods_> there's is always a tradeoff between tool life and feed
[20:20:46] <Tom_L> is the cutoff secured as well as the part? if a piece isn't secured it could pinch the cutter when it gets to the end of the cut and snap the cutter
[20:20:51] <methods_> you're using the wrong tool so things will be even worse
[20:21:15] <CaptHindsight> huh all I see is a Battlefield V commercial
[20:22:28] <ChunkyPuffs> so for a simple model like the one you refuse to tune in to see
[20:22:33] <ChunkyPuffs> you think I need to do multiple tool changes
[20:22:51] <Tom_L> no not necessarily
[20:23:01] <Tom_L> just use the right tool
[20:23:03] <gregcnc> on tool will work. but the cutting parameters must be reasonable for that tool
[20:23:11] <methods_> ^^
[20:23:18] <ChunkyPuffs> Well guess I'm not going to get any live help from you guys lol
[20:23:43] <ChunkyPuffs> You're being vague and acting like gatekeepers, I know nothing of what you're talking of.
[20:23:52] <methods_> sweet jesus
[20:23:53] <ChunkyPuffs> When you say the things you're saying, you expect me to have some innate knowledge.
[20:24:17] <ChunkyPuffs> I have told you things, you then tell me that the things that have happened should be impossible, so what is it?
[20:24:17] <methods_> what don't you understand about take less depth of cut
[20:24:29] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't know how to apply that
[20:24:29] <Tom_L> i figured you understood since you seem to know your way around fusion360
[20:24:33] <gregcnc> you got lucky
[20:24:43] <ChunkyPuffs> I didn't get lucky, I did it multiple times
[20:24:44] <methods_> we told you how it was possible
[20:24:47] <methods_> it's like your car
[20:24:56] <ChunkyPuffs> on the test mdf piece that you won't tune in to see, you can see many pockets done with the same settings
[20:24:59] <methods_> if you run it without oil it will work for awhile
[20:25:03] <methods_> then it will blow up
[20:25:12] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't know how to quantify anything you're saying
[20:25:18] <ChunkyPuffs> what you're saying is vague and I have no way of measuring
[20:25:29] <ChunkyPuffs> I am to believe I should simply fuck off and not use the tool, if I'm to follow your guidance
[20:25:33] <methods_> nothing is vague about take less depth of cut
[20:25:39] <ChunkyPuffs> No, that's fine
[20:25:43] <gregcnc> so how many thousand parts have you succesfully cut that you can say your' right and we're wrong?
[20:25:45] <methods_> and buy a 2 flute when you get a chance
[20:25:50] <ChunkyPuffs> but telling me I need to know the tolerances of my cnc is incredibly vague
[20:26:04] <gregcnc> unfortunately thats' true
[20:26:09] <ChunkyPuffs> how on earth am I, a 20 year old dude with access to a makerspace's shitty proprietary cnc to measure any of that shit
[20:26:20] <Tom_L> you need to know what the machine is capable of
[20:26:20] <ChunkyPuffs> that's not what I'm here for
[20:26:22] <gregcnc> those machines are wildly variable in quality and accuracy
[20:26:25] <ChunkyPuffs> you're acting like you can't make cncing simple
[20:26:27] <Tom_L> that's not asking too much
[20:26:34] <methods_> lol
[20:26:38] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't give a shit about tool lifespan, I want to make something and get better at doing it
[20:26:46] <ChunkyPuffs> You don't tell someone to start off with a tiling window manager
[20:26:59] <ChunkyPuffs> I am not 100% efficient, and that's okay, stop telling me to be
[20:27:11] <methods_> well obviously you do care about tool lifespan since you can't make anything without it
[20:27:23] <ChunkyPuffs> I care about tool lifespan when I succeed in cutting one thing
[20:27:30] <ChunkyPuffs> then I can get gradually better at making my tool last
[20:27:32] <Tom_L> right now your tool lifespan is rather short
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[20:27:42] <Tom_L> we're trying to help you increase that
[20:27:44] <gregcnc> dude, if you are not sure what depth of cut is, ASK
[20:27:54] <Tom_L> but you're acusing us of talking above your head
[20:28:08] <Tom_L> we don't know what you do or don't know
[20:28:25] <gregcnc> you'r mad because nodboy is whatching you feed, but you don't care about the advice you've been given about your cutting tool
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[20:29:06] <Tom_L> i'm not gonna spend the evening defending myself trying to help.
[20:29:11] <Tom_L> good luck.
[20:29:36] * Tom_L goes to watch MASH with jthornton
[20:34:37] <CaptHindsight> when I was a kid we would never ask someone in the know about something and then act this way
[20:34:52] <CaptHindsight> how times have changed
[20:36:27] <ChunkyPuffs> I didn't appreciate talking to a brick wall on my stream that I set up for the purpose of talking to you, no
[20:36:44] <ChunkyPuffs> I didn't expect that you wouldn't appreciate that
[20:37:07] <ChunkyPuffs> I didn't expect that you wouldn't want to watch, etc, and so talked to myself for 20 mins, yes, that makes me unhappy.
[20:37:39] <ChunkyPuffs> And then the things you're telling me point in the direction of "go home, I'm gatekeeping this knowledge right now and making it seem more complicated than it actually is"
[20:37:55] <ziper> back in my day a nickel was a penney
[20:38:02] <gregcnc> who said that?
[20:38:13] <ChunkyPuffs> meanwhile I'm trapped in the room because the door broke
[20:38:13] <gregcnc> 100$ is the new 20$
[20:38:17] <CaptHindsight> pennies, you had pennies?!
[20:39:21] <methods_> do you need us to notify someone to extricate you?
[20:40:54] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of https://www.youtube.com
[20:41:14] <CaptHindsight> IT Crowd FIRE!
[20:42:15] <ChunkyPuffs> no lol
[20:44:31] <ChunkyPuffs> bout to drill the fucking door in lol
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[22:14:47] <ChunkyPuffs> I think I get what you're saying
[22:14:57] <ChunkyPuffs> Right now my 3mm bit is going through the whole 12mm in one pass
[22:15:04] <ChunkyPuffs> at a feed rate of 320mm/min
[22:15:22] <ChunkyPuffs> I can see how it's probably struggling, all live at https://twitch.tv btw :)
[22:15:47] <ChunkyPuffs> what are they called? trenches? boundaries? the gap between the piece
[22:16:02] <ChunkyPuffs> you create them when defining your stock, rest machining?
[22:16:22] <ChunkyPuffs> I can see why you need to peck it all now, I still don't understand quite where you do that in fusion
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