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[02:36:47] <ChunkyPuffs> Shit's working really well now with a 3mm bit
[02:36:56] <ChunkyPuffs> incredibly well in fact, I figured out the stepping
[02:37:04] <ChunkyPuffs> fusion360 is incredible software, all I can say
[02:37:29] <ChunkyPuffs> the adaptive clearing algorithm man, does freecad have anything like it?
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[03:15:45] <Contract_Pilot> Howdy Everyone..
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[04:41:22] <ChunkyPuffs> anybody good enough with a cnc to tell me whether what I'm doing is a bad idea?
[04:41:30] <ChunkyPuffs> 3mm bit 15mm depth cut
[04:41:38] <ChunkyPuffs> lots of passes, each pass is 4mm on the 3mm bit
[04:41:59] <ChunkyPuffs> so it digs 4mm at a time. I'm doing 1120mm/min at 13000rpm, is this valid?
[04:42:10] <ChunkyPuffs> you can see the cut taking place at https://twitch.tv
[04:46:49] <rmu> ChunkyPuffs: there is some development in freecad re adaptive clearing
[04:47:16] <rmu> ChunkyPuffs: look at 0.18 daily builds
[04:48:27] <Loetmichel> ChunkyPuffs: that seems an awfully lot
[04:48:31] <Loetmichel> in what material
[04:48:33] <Loetmichel> ?
[04:48:43] <ChunkyPuffs> what looks like some pine
[04:48:50] <Loetmichel> ah, pine
[04:49:13] <ChunkyPuffs> I haven't yet got a concept of how fast you can go based on your rpm
[04:49:24] <ChunkyPuffs> it's a 3mm bit so I don't want to go too fast on the feedrate else I'll snap it
[04:49:37] <Loetmichel> that should work then provided you tool is SHARP, has enough room for swarf to escape AND your machine is rigid
[04:49:39] <ChunkyPuffs> I've snapped two bits, but things seem to be going just fine with my intuition now
[04:49:47] <ChunkyPuffs> I only really started learning about 9 hours ago
[04:49:50] <ChunkyPuffs> I've been streaming for around 8
[04:49:55] <Loetmichel> dont you have that HeiZ piece of garbage?
[04:50:08] <ChunkyPuffs> yeah you can see it on stream I think the name is on the aluminium
[04:50:12] <ChunkyPuffs> it's not that bad lol
[04:50:26] <Loetmichel> then dial it down to 1mm each pass
[04:50:35] <Loetmichel> that machine is not rigid at all
[04:50:47] <ChunkyPuffs> Seems fine at 4mm per pass
[04:50:51] <Loetmichel> it cant cope with the forces involved in 4mm DOC
[04:51:00] <ChunkyPuffs> genuinely, the last part came out, I just set the bit wrong so I couldn't pull it out
[04:51:09] <ChunkyPuffs> maybe I'm a noob and can't tell, but it's really sharp
[04:51:18] <Loetmichel> it will not be precise AND it may dig in and break the bit off
[04:51:35] <ChunkyPuffs> right, but like I said, that's not happening and has consistently not happened
[04:51:54] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't have a proper scope for how it all works, but it seems to be working quite fine now, I've only broken two bits because of complete idiocy relating to that
[04:52:03] <ChunkyPuffs> 4mm per pass is fine, it seems, even if it's pushing it
[04:52:31] <Loetmichel> the forces deflect the gantry and z axis, so the mill bit moves out of the intended path, and it can dig into the material if there is an "astloch" and it suddenly gets harder resulting in it "biting more that it can chew" and breaking off
[04:52:37] <ChunkyPuffs> also no, you're wrong about the rigidity, it seems absolutley fine, there are no signs of blatant innaccuracy that I can see
[04:52:50] <ChunkyPuffs> sure but I'm at 13000 rpm
[04:52:53] <ChunkyPuffs> so how can it chew?
[04:53:28] <Loetmichel> for wood and 2 flute tungten carbide mill bits i woud recommend 24kRPM or more
[04:53:52] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm using a 3 flute hss
[04:53:55] <Loetmichel> next point is that if you go so deep it can clog up because it cant get the swarf out in time
[04:54:00] <Loetmichel> ouch
[04:54:03] <ChunkyPuffs> these terms lol
[04:54:06] <Loetmichel> HSS and wood is a nono
[04:54:10] <ChunkyPuffs> you can see the progress of the cut
[04:54:16] <ChunkyPuffs> wtf you guys are honestly so fucking pessimistic
[04:54:25] <Loetmichel> it will be dull in less than 10 meters
[04:54:26] <ChunkyPuffs> you really don't get the mindset that I and most people are coming at this from
[04:54:35] <Loetmichel> we are not pessimistic, we are realistic
[04:54:38] <ChunkyPuffs> I just want to learn, I'm not buying fancy bits, you're extraordinares.
[04:55:06] <Loetmichel> i have a cinse 6040 and built 8 gantry type mills myself now... i know what they can and cant do
[04:55:14] <Loetmichel> chinese
[04:55:17] <ChunkyPuffs> I've stated this over and over, I don't care about dulling or breaking my practice bits
[04:55:54] <Loetmichel> you can of course take a dull bit and burn your way thru the wood
[04:55:59] <ChunkyPuffs> you can see the progress on the stream anyway, and the part is coming out fine, despite what you're saying
[04:56:11] <Loetmichel> just dont come complaining when your workshop gets up in flames
[04:56:12] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't get the burning, there is no sign of burning
[04:56:29] <Loetmichel> the signs will appear shortly
[04:56:31] <sensille> ChunkyPuffs: trust Loetmichel
[04:56:36] <ChunkyPuffs> see what I mean about the pessimism? I'm just learning.
[04:56:51] <ChunkyPuffs> You can see my workshop go up in flames if you like, if you're really thinking that'll happen.
[04:57:04] <Loetmichel> yes, and i try to teach you a thing or two. if you dont want to listen its your problem though.
[04:57:23] <ChunkyPuffs> I want to cut, I'll listen, but you're not going to prevent me from cutting to learn the wise ways of the grasshopper
[04:57:29] <ChunkyPuffs> listen, what is it that you want me to do?
[04:57:35] <Loetmichel> no, i dont want your workshop go up in flames. i want to spare you that experience
[04:57:38] <ChunkyPuffs> Pay expensive money for expensive bits just so I can be perfect?
[04:57:40] <Loetmichel> thats what its all about
[04:57:46] <ChunkyPuffs> I do not give a flying fuck about perfect, I just want to practice
[04:57:53] <Loetmichel> a 3mm tungsten carbide bit is less than 5 eur
[04:57:55] <ChunkyPuffs> and you're explaining completely irrelevant things to me that are far too advanced
[04:58:40] <ChunkyPuffs> You're being supreme, just let me practice will you lol
[04:59:01] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm not doubting your expertise, I know everyone in here is a pro.
[04:59:02] <Loetmichel> https://www.sorotec.de
[04:59:06] <ChunkyPuffs> But you're acting as if cnc machines aren't to be fucked with.
[04:59:12] <Loetmichel> ok, 8 eur
[04:59:18] <ChunkyPuffs> I am not buying bits. 8 euros is too expensive.
[04:59:20] <Loetmichel> still cheap as fu**
[04:59:32] <ChunkyPuffs> I know you mean well, but I'm not buying bits, I'm practicing on 3mm freebies.
[04:59:51] <ChunkyPuffs> And if you can't see beyond that, then you're just being silly and treating me like I'm far more advanced than I actually am.
[05:00:07] <Loetmichel> your decision. that bit would last pretty much forever in wood. the HSS bit will dull in no time.
[05:00:22] <ChunkyPuffs> Sure, and I'll buy it when I'm in the market for buying bits, which will be soon.
[05:01:02] <ChunkyPuffs> But for now all I wanted to know is the status of 13k RPM, 3mm bit, 4mm passes, 15mm depth, hss
[05:01:46] <Loetmichel> point is that any feed/speed/DOC advice you will get here is meant for sharp bits , because nobody that does this for a while will intentionally use a dull/wrong bit.
[05:02:11] <ChunkyPuffs> So is there a place that is less perfectionist, more practical and more noob friendly than this that I can go to?
[05:02:40] <ChunkyPuffs> for learning, instead of being told I shouldn't use hss to cut wood, despite that being all I have.
[05:02:45] <Loetmichel> as i said: with that weak HeiZ machine you should go down in depth of cut, high forces can cause the bit to deflect and break off
[05:03:03] <Loetmichel> but you dismissed that advice already twice, i am done here.
[05:03:08] <ChunkyPuffs> Sure, and I believe you, but why are these 4mm cuts working well for now?
[05:03:16] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't care about wearing the bit out right now, I just care about speed.
[05:03:27] <ChunkyPuffs> In the future, I will follow that advice, but the cut is IN PROGRESS right now, I can't change it.
[05:04:17] <ChunkyPuffs> You weren't here 50 mins ago when I was generating the gcode, so I couldn't apply that. So I appreciate it, but I just want to know why 4mm is working so well for me right now
[05:05:27] <ChunkyPuffs> I've been given advice right now by someone probably less advanced, but experienced enough in CNCing, to turn up the spindle to 20k and increase feed speed slowly
[05:05:41] <ChunkyPuffs> hss 3mm 4mm passes to 15mm depth
[05:09:02] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: lol I have some really shot 1/16 ball endmills from work. it engraved inocel. works well on wood though, to point where my spindle stopped spinning and it went though wood and didn tbreak
[05:09:05] <ChunkyPuffs> lolol
[05:09:08] <XXCoder> granted it was pine but... lol
[05:09:12] <ChunkyPuffs> The cut is falling apart, you got your last laugh :D
[05:09:21] <ChunkyPuffs> but it's not burning though
[05:09:43] <ChunkyPuffs> for a different reason, the cut is falling apart
[05:09:58] <XXCoder> cut is falling apart?
[05:10:09] <XXCoder> hopeully not cnc is falling apart lol
[05:10:27] <ChunkyPuffs> yeah
[05:10:33] <ChunkyPuffs> you can see at my stream if you have the link, scroll up
[05:10:44] <ChunkyPuffs> you can see it falling a-fucking-part lmfao
[05:11:03] <XXCoder> looking
[05:16:49] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: totally probable, especially with a weak gantry mill
[05:17:10] <Loetmichel> i managed to weld my tungten carbide bit to my cast iron vice once
[05:17:19] <XXCoder> interesting. machine looks a lot more beefier than mine
[05:17:30] <XXCoder> maybe not tightened down enoufgh or something?
[05:17:31] <Loetmichel> because it moved into it form the side
[05:17:41] <XXCoder> ow
[05:17:42] <Loetmichel> at 24kRPM ;)
[05:18:00] <XXCoder> 'I welded endmill into nylon once. learned why they use shitload of coolant at work
[05:18:12] <Loetmichel> and the steppers werent beefy enough to break it... so it stopped and friction welded in place
[05:18:26] <Loetmichel> it was white hot in the time it took to press the estop
[05:18:30] <XXCoder> did you manage to remove?
[05:18:38] <Loetmichel> hammer and chisel...
[05:18:46] <XXCoder> yep thats hot enough for 2 is now one thing
[05:22:35] <Loetmichel> ChunkyPuffs: the spped per tooh and chip load are the deciding factors
[05:23:06] <Loetmichel> speed
[05:24:30] <Loetmichel> ChunkyPuffs: read that: http://www.cenon.de
[05:24:35] <Loetmichel> you are german, arent you?
[05:36:53] <miss0r> He sounds like an english chap :)
[05:40:53] <miss0r> ChunkyPuffs: So, will you be showing any cutting in a near future? I'm curious as to how well the HeiZ runs..
[05:43:53] <jthornton> morning
[05:44:02] <miss0r> morning jt
[05:44:46] <XXCoder> yo jt
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[05:51:59] <rmu> miss0r: they use 10mm ballscrews, that are 1,2m long. my table book says a 8mm ballscrew should not be longer than about 0,6m, and that is without any load!
[05:52:31] <miss0r> I didn'y say I had high expectance :)
[05:52:51] <rmu> 16mm would be appropriate IMHO
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[05:53:51] <miss0r> indeed
[05:54:00] <miss0r> but that would break the back of the machine
[05:54:13] <ChunkyPuffs> miss0r: yeah
[05:54:21] <ChunkyPuffs> I was cutting earlier, will be cutting again in about 10 mins
[05:54:24] <jthornton> you building something?
[05:54:58] <ChunkyPuffs> just testing shit
[05:55:08] <ChunkyPuffs> trying to cut a basic part for a remote, nice and complicated lol
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[05:56:11] <ChunkyPuffs> be cutting in about 10 mins honestly just need to gen this toolpath
[05:56:32] <ChunkyPuffs> the guy who invented adaptive clearing, literally, was just in the room talking
[05:57:36] <ChunkyPuffs> will be doing smaller pecks at your advice Loetmichel
[06:00:14] <miss0r> Looking forward to it then
[06:05:20] <Loetmichel> rmu: worse than the ballscrews are the 20mm cylindrical unsupported rails on the 1.2m length that carry the whole gantry...
[06:05:32] <Loetmichel> or it may be 25mm
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[06:06:01] <weenerdog> howdy
[06:06:13] <Loetmichel> and of course no ball cage linear slides but simple sintered bronce ones that have play or are stuck
[06:06:27] <Loetmichel> mornin, weenerdog
[06:06:38] <weenerdog> good morning :>
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[06:11:22] <rmu> Loetmichel: 22mm... yeah, not optimal, that's bad for accuracy and all, but it won't be damaged in regular use
[06:11:57] <rmu> Loetmichel: the ballscrews can buckle when subjected to any kind of load
[06:12:24] <rmu> Loetmichel: it happend with the trapezoidal screws on my heizfräse
[06:12:40] <Tom_itx> morning jthornton
[06:12:53] <Tom_itx> i see Loetmichel got a dose of the noob
[06:13:04] <XXCoder> hey tom
[06:13:11] <Tom_itx> morning
[06:13:13] <jthornton> I missed it as he is on ignore for me lol
[06:14:07] <Tom_itx> he did finally slow it down a bit
[06:14:22] <miss0r> jthornton: Who is on ignore? :)
[06:14:29] * miss0r wonders what he missed :D
[06:14:31] <XXCoder> me
[06:14:42] <XXCoder> ;)
[06:14:52] <miss0r> ha.. ?
[06:14:57] <jthornton> lol
[06:14:57] <Tom_itx> 30�F Hi 59
[06:15:00] <weenerdog> i will be when i start my build :P
[06:15:37] <weenerdog> by alla yez
[06:17:39] <Tom_itx> ChunkyPuffs, you should read this: https://discuss.inventables.com
[06:19:43] <Tom_itx> https://www.destinytool.com
[06:20:00] <weenerdog> does it discuss whether you are getting paid hourly or piecework? :)
[06:21:05] <Tom_itx> goodpiecework
[06:22:14] * Tom_itx wonders what the chipload is on pumpkin pie
[06:22:31] <jthornton> about 9 pounds lol
[06:24:31] <XXCoder> lol
[06:24:46] <XXCoder> if its detectable youre doing it wrong
[06:25:59] <weenerdog> i'm going to gf's sister's tomorrow. first time in years i haven't had to bust ass cooking all day :)
[06:27:57] <jthornton> after the last 4 days of eating out I think we are going to have a turkey sandwich minus the bread for tomorrow
[06:29:57] <ChunkyPuffs> miss0r: we're cutting
[06:31:13] <miss0r> ChunkyPuffs: Is it even cutting? it seems realy slow
[06:31:36] <miss0r> At those rpms(? 15-20k ?) You should move it alot faster
[06:31:49] <miss0r> move=feed
[06:31:56] <ChunkyPuffs> it is cutting yeah
[06:32:05] <ChunkyPuffs> let me show you
[06:32:55] <miss0r> The only thing I got from that was seasick
[06:33:03] <ChunkyPuffs> sorry hah should have a better view now though
[06:33:09] <miss0r> I would think you should up the feed a pretty amount
[06:33:21] <miss0r> if the router is 'stiff' enough
[06:33:51] <ChunkyPuffs> can you see it?
[06:33:57] <ChunkyPuffs> the router is not stiff
[06:34:08] <ChunkyPuffs> the router is renowned for not being stiff according to many here lol
[06:34:33] <miss0r> hehe. Indeed. But I still think you can feed faster at those RPMs without having a too high chip load
[06:34:52] <miss0r> or the router is even crummier than I thought
[06:35:12] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm just too afraid to since it's a 3mm bit
[06:35:39] <miss0r> well... How fast is the spindle going?
[06:35:55] <miss0r> and what is your feed?
[06:36:07] <ChunkyPuffs> the spindle is 13k and the feedrate is 1060mm/min
[06:36:33] <miss0r> That sounds like you are feeding it a wee bit too slow in my ears
[06:36:44] <miss0r> how many flutes on that 3mm cutter?
[06:36:50] <ChunkyPuffs> 3
[06:37:04] <ChunkyPuffs> I just gave it some more juice
[06:37:16] <ChunkyPuffs> you can see the feedrate on the topright
[06:38:04] <ChunkyPuffs> thanks so much for helping out and watching btw, this is exactly what I wanted from this chat :D
[06:39:12] <miss0r> I probably would try to slowly push it to around 1600mm/min
[06:39:18] <ChunkyPuffs> seriously?
[06:39:23] <miss0r> Maybe it breaks because the frame flexes. maybe it wont :)
[06:39:32] <miss0r> Either way, you'll know
[06:39:49] <miss0r> Take it a step at a time - listen & feel
[06:40:14] <ChunkyPuffs> seems pretty nice now to be honest
[06:40:19] <ChunkyPuffs> no inconsistencies in the sound
[06:40:27] <ChunkyPuffs> just straight cutting, will play around
[06:41:52] <miss0r> Now that you are getting to know your machine(for better & for worse) is the time to break some endmills, to see what it can/cannot do and build some basis knowledge and spine feeling about how to go about using it
[06:42:15] <miss0r> In the future when you are cutting something important, that is when you want to be conservative so you don't mess up stuff
[06:42:36] <ChunkyPuffs> I personally think 1250mm/min is about right to my ear as you're suggesting
[06:42:44] <miss0r> Another important thing to take into account: What is your width/depth of cut?
[06:43:07] <miss0r> .. I would try to push it closer to 1600 and see what that sounds like
[06:43:22] <ChunkyPuffs> the width of cut?
[06:43:25] <ChunkyPuffs> the depth is 15mm
[06:43:40] <miss0r> how much of the cutter is engaged?
[06:43:42] <ChunkyPuffs> each cut/peck is 4mm deep with a 3mm bit
[06:43:48] <ChunkyPuffs> what do you mean by that?
[06:43:54] <miss0r> stepover?
[06:44:00] <ChunkyPuffs> dunno what that is quite yet
[06:44:06] <miss0r> erhm...
[06:44:22] <miss0r> what is the distance from center of the last pass to the center of the current pass?
[06:44:29] <ChunkyPuffs> oh all of it
[06:44:36] <miss0r> so a 3mm stepover?
[06:44:41] <ChunkyPuffs> oh man idk that's a fusion thing I didn't pay too much attention to
[06:44:50] <ChunkyPuffs> I think probably all of it is in action
[06:45:05] <miss0r> That also affects the amount of forces excerted on the tool while cutting
[06:45:24] <miss0r> Push the feed higher:)
[06:45:24] <weenerdog> drive it like ya stole it
[06:45:28] <ChunkyPuffs> is running too slow with a high rpm likely to snap the bit?
[06:45:43] <ChunkyPuffs> I have already broken 2 bits, I don't really want to break another one
[06:45:44] <miss0r> nope-
[06:45:48] <ChunkyPuffs> this seems like it's going well
[06:45:48] <miss0r> well
[06:46:06] <miss0r> it will dull the cutter if you run too slow, in term breaking it because it cannot cut anymore
[06:46:13] <ChunkyPuffs> It's going well and I would honestly not want to snap the bit at this point until I have some more practice material
[06:46:21] <ChunkyPuffs> no say I'm running too fast
[06:46:32] <miss0r> if you feed it too fast?
[06:46:36] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm running at 13k rpm right now, which you're saying is too fast for the feed
[06:46:41] <ChunkyPuffs> rpm, not feed, my bad
[06:47:25] <miss0r> well.. I would probably also run a 3mm bit at around 13000rpm on my desktop cnc. But I would feed it faster
[06:47:44] <ChunkyPuffs> and what variables affect whether it will snap imminently?
[06:47:53] <miss0r> you could bump it up 50rpm at a time, untill it starts to sound funny, then back off a bit
[06:48:09] <miss0r> well, too high feed will snap it at once, almost
[06:48:21] <miss0r> if you run it too slow
[06:48:25] <miss0r> RPM
[06:48:35] <ChunkyPuffs> right and I understand why
[06:48:42] <ChunkyPuffs> but what if I run "too high" rpm
[06:48:46] <ChunkyPuffs> is there such a thing?
[06:49:02] <miss0r> Might I recommend you get G-code wizard? Excellent tool for beginners, and more practiced users. It can guide you in feed'n speed
[06:49:13] <miss0r> sure :)
[06:49:25] <ChunkyPuffs> will try it out sure
[06:50:05] <miss0r> You 'can' run too fast. but as long as you feed to match it will be fine, up until a point where the power output of the spindle cannot keep up, and the cutter snaps
[06:50:20] <ChunkyPuffs> it's running at 14k rpm actually, my bad
[06:50:20] <miss0r> in wood that is. Theres other variables to think about with other materials
[06:50:37] <miss0r> go 1300 on the feed, lets listen to that for a while
[06:50:47] <ChunkyPuffs> do I have to push the feed up slowly?
[06:51:09] <ChunkyPuffs> and we're on 1300
[06:51:53] <miss0r> that doesn't sound half bad, does it?
[06:52:07] <ChunkyPuffs> It sounds higher pitched, which to me for a long time meant bad things
[06:52:19] <ChunkyPuffs> ouch
[06:52:21] <ChunkyPuffs> did you hear that
[06:52:23] <ChunkyPuffs> bad sound
[06:52:33] <ChunkyPuffs> I put it down
[06:52:35] <miss0r> yeah
[06:52:46] <miss0r> did it break? :)
[06:53:00] <miss0r> sounds like it is gone
[06:53:15] <ChunkyPuffs> ffs
[06:53:19] <ChunkyPuffs> this isn't funny
[06:53:22] <ChunkyPuffs> I did say it was going fine
[06:53:36] <miss0r> Well, now we know what is up.
[06:53:37] <ChunkyPuffs> annoying
[06:53:48] <ChunkyPuffs> I already broke two bits, I told you, I didn't want to push it
[06:53:53] <ChunkyPuffs> last time I take serious advice from you
[06:54:06] <miss0r> woah.
[06:54:22] <miss0r> Yeah, you don't have to worrie about that.
[06:56:05] <ChunkyPuffs> hold on....
[06:56:10] <ChunkyPuffs> it might have failed for a different reason
[06:56:16] <ChunkyPuffs> I think it hit a screw
[06:58:45] <ChunkyPuffs> so dumb
[07:00:16] <miss0r> What an ass.
[07:00:32] <miss0r> Oh well. I'm off for lunch. See you around
[07:03:57] <ChunkyPuffs> thanks for the help miss0r
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[07:08:32] <jthornton> hmm today looks like a nice day high of 56°F and sunny
[07:08:38] <Loetmichel> hmm... anyone a hint how to stream video from a linuxCNC machine? i have a spare webcam here... but being behind a company firewall doesent make that easier...
[07:08:38] <XXCoder> nice
[07:09:06] <jthornton> I've never tried that before
[07:09:09] <miss0r> Loetmichel: I know of a way, but that way does not allow for sound
[07:09:12] <XXCoder> firefall thats fun
[07:09:22] <XXCoder> *wall
[07:09:29] <miss0r> firefall sounds cooler
[07:09:44] <miss0r> like a waterfall, only with FIRE!
[07:09:46] <Loetmichel> miss0r: i can do it inside the lan with vlc... but no ide how to get that to external...
[07:10:04] <Loetmichel> tried youtube streaming already, it wants me to install chrome...
[07:10:09] <Loetmichel> not a good idea i think
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[07:10:23] <miss0r> Loetmichel: I did it alot of years ago, where it basically uploaded one frame at a time, to a viewer updating ever so often.
[07:10:38] <Loetmichel> yeah, did the same 15 years ago at my old company
[07:10:43] <miss0r> but this was build around an internet connection that did not allow for direct video stream because of poor speed :)
[07:10:49] <miss0r> hence the method
[07:10:57] <Loetmichel> could still do that if i remember my servers ftp PW ;)
[07:11:06] <miss0r> :]
[07:11:22] <miss0r> anyway. That lunch is not going to eat itself... bbiab
[07:13:08] <ChunkyPuffs> miss0r: I'm continuing from another bit
[07:13:12] <ChunkyPuffs> what do you reckon? good idea?
[07:13:17] <ChunkyPuffs> probs a bad idea
[07:23:42] <Loetmichel> ChunkyPuffs: dont you have a 2 flute bit?
[07:23:48] <Loetmichel> would be better for wood
[07:25:24] <ChunkyPuffs> I don't right now that I'm aware of
[07:25:28] <ChunkyPuffs> well, we do, but we don't have the collet
[07:25:46] <ChunkyPuffs> so it's useless, but we found a large collection of collets earlier, maybe we can find one
[07:27:17] <Loetmichel> problem is that with a 3 flute you have less room for the swarf to escape
[07:27:51] <Loetmichel> so it will clog eventually, especially if you mill so deep in one pass, resulting in a broken bit even with a fixed workpiece
[07:28:12] <Loetmichel> swarf= the milled off pieces of wood
[07:29:12] <ChunkyPuffs> r
[07:29:15] <ChunkyPuffs> interesting
[07:29:25] <ChunkyPuffs> so I'm milling 4mm with a 3mm bit
[07:29:32] <ChunkyPuffs> 4mm at a time, eventually milling the whole thing
[07:30:28] <XXCoder> jthornton: think I will make a router, but as a way to differate, it will use obj imports to show how to do this maybe?
[07:30:31] <XXCoder> dunno
[07:31:10] <ChunkyPuffs> gonna take your advice and speed it back up
[07:31:11] <XXCoder> also somehow use a sphere and tringle somewhere as I never used those in rolfmill
[07:31:24] <jthornton> import stl files?
[07:31:34] <XXCoder> obj is also supported but yeah stl also lol
[07:31:45] <sensille> Loetmichel: would it in theory be possible to mill steel with the 6040 when only doing very very little with each run?
[07:31:53] <Loetmichel> not really
[07:32:05] <Loetmichel> did try it... resulted in a lot of broken bits...
[07:32:15] <XXCoder> too much backlash I guess?
[07:32:31] <XXCoder> flex would shatter tool as its under pretty big sideload when cutting steel
[07:32:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org <- and that was only 1.. galvanized mild steel
[07:32:48] <Loetmichel> 1mm
[07:33:04] <XXCoder> lol thats fun
[07:33:04] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: not backlash, too weak gantry, chatter
[07:33:10] <Loetmichel> -o
[07:33:16] <sensille> i meant more like 0.1mm
[07:33:25] <XXCoder> you got a firestarter there pretending to be a cnc
[07:33:43] <Loetmichel> sensille: that was 0.05mm per pass
[07:33:48] <sensille> oh
[07:33:59] <Loetmichel> the chatter breaks off the cutting edges of the tool...
[07:34:04] <sensille> ah, the 1mm was the steel
[07:34:09] <Loetmichel> yes
[07:34:56] <miss0r> Thats lunch. Then I have to clean up the shop for the next 30 minuts. And because it is Wensday, I'm off early to go mess with my old land rover. :) See you around
[07:35:34] <ChunkyPuffs> miss0r: see you, put it up to 1300 and it's staying there
[07:35:38] <ChunkyPuffs> bad coincidence earlier lol
[07:35:54] <XXCoder> bah!
[07:35:58] <ChunkyPuffs> I continued from a new bit, presumably this should be fine
[07:36:06] <XXCoder> I gonna work tomorrow, and I sure as heck dont wanna work
[07:37:29] <jthornton> dang, do they pay double time for that?
[07:37:43] <XXCoder> tomorrow is not vacation
[07:37:47] <XXCoder> its wed lol
[07:38:09] <XXCoder> I always go to work same day I go home from work, yet time progresses. i wonder how ;)
[07:38:25] <jthornton> keeps me confused lol
[07:38:35] <XXCoder> yeah swing shift is fun
[07:39:49] <jthornton> I used to love working 3rd shift at the shipyard overhauling nuc subs... work 7 hours got paid for 8
[07:40:15] <XXCoder> weekend shift its 3 days 36 hours, paid 40
[07:40:55] <weenerdog> i liked running wire edms 2nd shift. work 30 min. get paid for 8 hrs :P
[07:41:31] <jthornton> that could get boring lol
[07:42:33] <weenerdog> nah i made crap for myself on everything else
[07:42:58] <XXCoder> dang
[07:43:07] <XXCoder> wht you leave? out of books to read?
[07:43:37] <weenerdog> nah this was in the paper tape days. joined the air force so i could go to college.
[07:44:18] <XXCoder> nice
[07:47:47] <weenerdog> i thought about joining the military, but joined the air force instead. spent my whole enlistment in montana lol
[07:48:11] <XXCoder> too bad that wasnt option for me lol
[07:49:02] <weenerdog> so i basically fished and skied and shot antelope
[07:49:23] <weenerdog> "what did you do in the war, daddy?" :)
[08:15:18] <ChunkyPuffs> can smacking the bit into a wall of material be a problem?
[08:15:35] <ChunkyPuffs> for example, say I've hollowed out an area, will it react differently going from hollow to solid wall
[08:19:48] <ChunkyPuffs> by comparison to solid material being drilled into and then outwards
[08:19:56] <ChunkyPuffs> is there a risk of smacking into it rather than slowly burrowing out of
[08:31:24] <weenerdog> my uninformed answer is 'hell yes'
[08:31:40] <weenerdog> more material all of a sudden
[08:32:34] <weenerdog> you're instantly doing a much deeper pass
[08:33:34] <weenerdog> or do you mean like feeding across, for example, a drilled hole?
[08:33:42] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm running a job again over a failed one
[08:33:52] <ChunkyPuffs> fusion exported the gcode wrong and put it up 2mm more than it should have been
[08:34:00] <ChunkyPuffs> so I accounted for it and started again in the exact same position
[08:34:24] <ChunkyPuffs> so the thin hollow shell that is the item is now being smacked into continuously by the bit, is this bad
[08:35:34] <weenerdog> my uninformed answer would be to slow down the feed on it
[08:36:31] <weenerdog> what are ye making?
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[10:44:30] <MarcelineVQ> ChunkyPuffs: it's a good idea to have pictures with questions like that, it's quite vague what you're asking in relation to your workdpiece so it'd be hard to answer properly.
[10:45:25] <MarcelineVQ> 'smacked into continuously' is a concerning combination of words that could do with some clarification, in text or in video
[10:46:44] <ChunkyPuffs> I was streaming not long ago, will stream again soon
[10:46:58] <ChunkyPuffs> MarcelineVQ: I streamed for 12 hours all of what I'm asking :D
[10:47:15] <MarcelineVQ> could you make a clip from the vod?
[10:47:24] <ChunkyPuffs> I didn't have recordings enabled
[10:47:38] <ChunkyPuffs> I will have to simply stream again at some stage, I now have video recordings enabled
[10:47:43] <ChunkyPuffs> very upset I couldn't have saved that hah
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[13:01:38] <enleth> rene_dev_: with STMBL moving to a discrete transistor power board, do you think it would make sense to officially allow the use of a partially populated board with just two channels for DC servo control?
[13:03:04] <enleth> I guess it should be easy to ensure it works properly on the electrical level with the components for the third channel missing
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[13:31:55] <Rab> eBay 15% off cart RIGHT NOW: https://pages.ebay.com
[13:33:11] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[13:33:29] <SpeedEvil> The first nice stirling engine ebay listing I found in years was cancelled by the seller.
[13:34:02] <SpeedEvil> - someone selling a 1kWe natural gas stirling engine/combi boiler
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[14:08:07] <fragalot> hey
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[14:43:23] <gregcnc> speedevil that would be fun. who made that?
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[14:57:35] <SpeedEvil> https://www.jhrenewables.com
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[14:58:41] <SpeedEvil> I think they're off the market now though
[15:01:14] <SpeedEvil> @2:18 https://www.youtube.com
[15:01:18] <SpeedEvil> 550C in
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[15:05:07] <phipli> Tom_itx, is there a smart solution to voltage regulation that doesn't involve either expensive, or huge capacitors?
[15:05:54] <phipli> I have a load of AMS1117 regulators, but they need ~100uF capacitors, which is the irritating range
[15:06:09] <phipli> for surface mount capacitors
[15:06:42] <Loetmichel> phili: you can get 100 uF electrolytics these days in 1206
[15:07:32] <phipli> Loetmichel, yeah, I've ordered some - I hear bad things about cheap tantalum capacitors
[15:07:49] <phipli> I was wondering if there was something... better and or cheaper
[15:07:54] <Loetmichel> yeah, tantalum should be voltage derated at least 50%
[15:08:13] <Loetmichel> or elese you will have some surprise fireworks some years down the road
[15:09:08] <Loetmichel> especially the cheap ones
[15:09:32] <jthornton> hey phipli how's it going
[15:09:39] <phipli> yeah - from what I can tell it is the single most "don't cheap out on this" thing
[15:09:43] <phipli> hey jt
[15:09:48] <phipli> not too bad,
[15:10:03] <phipli> work sucks but I have 5 weeks leave booked from the end of next week
[15:10:13] <jthornton> nice
[15:10:15] <phipli> ordering in project stock ready
[15:10:39] <phipli> although the steel is late and I'm grumpy because I worked from home waiting for it
[15:10:45] * Loetmichel just had fun at work to day messing with a customers boss...
[15:11:05] <rmu> what is the boss of a customer?
[15:11:33] <jthornton> I'm working on a touch screen interface for the coop lol
[15:11:44] <phipli> jt : for you or the birds?
[15:12:03] <phipli> rmu : a person with a sense of self importance
[15:14:53] <Tom_itx> what voltage do you need?
[15:15:02] <jdh> 220,221, whatever it takes.
[15:15:06] <Tom_itx> those cheap chinese switchers are about as cheap as you can get
[15:15:24] <Loetmichel> customer is at our facility for 3 weeks now doing a bit measurement job... today i overheard him talking with his boss... "no, they dont have the time here to do extra work, not their problem that you made a deadline so early"... his boss whining about customer being angry that that thing isnt done yet and so on... $me jumped in yelling across the shop floor: "hey, Gerd (customers name), hows
[15:15:24] <Loetmichel> that: i will stay an hour late today and fix that /§W$&$% PC for you!"... silence on the other end of the telephone line... then. "who was that?"... Gerd: "That was the production manager here. You heard him, he will do it in his free time for you!"... the boss on the other end couldnt fathom that for quite a while. ;)
[15:16:01] <Loetmichel> In the end it took me 3.5 hours to fix that thing but that ????? in the voice of Gerds boss was worth it ;)
[15:16:49] <phipli> Tom_itx, 3.3 from 5
[15:16:54] <Loetmichel> rmu: we have a large order of measuring servers here.... and one of the customers workers is here to ensure that we get those systems out of the racks they are delivered in in working order
[15:17:01] <Loetmichel> so it was his boss who called
[15:17:11] <Loetmichel> the workers boss
[15:17:48] <Tom_itx> https://www.ebay.com
[15:18:16] <Tom_itx> https://www.ebay.com
[15:18:33] <jthornton> I should display a cricket on the screen and teach them how to get a treat lol
[15:18:43] <jthornton> phipli: just for fun you know
[15:18:55] <Tom_itx> https://www.ebay.com
[15:18:59] <Tom_itx> ninety nice cents
[15:19:15] <Tom_itx> you can't buy a cap for that
[15:19:16] <phipli> Tom_itx, I've ordered some of these https://www.banggood.com
[15:19:37] <phipli> but while I wait the month I was looking in the drawers and seeing what I could do :)
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[15:20:07] <phipli> jthornton, yeah - have you heard about the pigeon guided missiles?
[15:20:28] <Tom_itx> jthornton has a bunch of spoiled chickens
[15:20:48] <jthornton> no, but they did use pideons in WW2 to spot downed pilots in the pacific
[15:20:53] <Tom_itx> touch screen n all... pretty soon they'll order their feed via touch screen :)
[15:20:53] <phipli> jthornton, https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:21:19] <phipli> Tom_itx, and one day they'll watch his CNC for him and peck the e-stop when it goes wrong
[15:21:27] <Loetmichel> jthornton: didnt they use eagles for that?
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[15:21:38] <Loetmichel> or was that the more recent SAR project?
[15:21:51] <Loetmichel> about the eighties?
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[15:26:10] <jthornton> I did find this breakout module that works better for me but it's a bit in the expensive side at $20 https://www.amazon.com
[15:26:13] <phipli> jthornton, 64gb micro SD cards (good ones) are £9 on amazon.co.uk today - don't know if you guys have a similar offer
[15:26:24] <phipli> handy for sbc projects
[15:26:51] <jthornton> mine are all scandisk 32GB cards
[15:27:26] <phipli> https://www.amazon.co.uk
[15:27:29] <jthornton> https://www.amazon.com
[15:27:54] <phipli> atm the 64 is cheaper than the 32 on the uk page
[15:28:13] <phipli> also, curse your US prices
[15:28:48] <phipli> for some reason, nobody has told companies that the £<>$ exchange rate isn't 1:1
[15:29:00] <jthornton> hmm I need to get the new program up and running in the coop today
[15:29:55] <jthornton> looks like the price on the 32GB went from $9.59 down to $8.00 in the last two weeks
[15:30:56] <phipli> The samsung ones seem to be the cheap ones for you guys : https://www.amazon.com
[15:31:05] <jthornton> I have to be careful I have 3 RPi's on my network now
[15:31:10] <phipli> oops bad url
[15:31:34] <phipli> https://www.amazon.com
[15:32:06] <phipli> use cowsay in the login script to remind you which is which
[15:32:09] <phipli> thats what I do
[15:32:27] <jthornton> I should have waited till I got back from vacation but who would have known
[15:32:39] <jthornton> cowsay?
[15:32:47] <phipli> :)
[15:32:52] <phipli> best linux program
[15:33:05] <phipli> if you enter >cowsay "Hello"
[15:33:26] <phipli> it outputs an ascii cow with "Hello" in a speech bubble
[15:33:36] <jthornton> lol
[15:34:01] <phipli> https://www.linuxjournal.com
[15:34:03] <phipli> like that
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[15:36:46] <phipli> then things like figlet and toilet let you do block ascii text in colour and pipe it into cowsay
[15:37:06] <jthornton> lol
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[15:38:57] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:39:26] <jthornton> that's the new program schedule so they get a break from 14 hours of light in the fall
[15:40:12] <Rab> Excuse me, xroach is best Linux program. But toilet and cowsay are excellent, thanks!
[15:41:21] <phipli> Rab : xroach is more tricky over an ssh session though
[15:41:55] <jthornton> phipli: where did you visit the US AIR FORCE missile?
[15:42:32] <phipli> jthornton, the National Space Centre a few miles from here
[15:42:47] <phipli> a schoolfriend's grandfather helped design the one next to it
[15:42:50] <phipli> interesting guy :)
[15:43:18] <jthornton> cool, we went to NASA in Houston and they had the unused Saturn 5 rocket on display
[15:43:36] <jthornton> I bet he can tell some stories...
[15:43:44] <phipli> the US one is a THOR I think
[15:43:59] <phipli> really smart guy
[15:44:11] <phipli> my dad was teaching him how to use apple macs in the 90s
[15:44:21] <phipli> he wanted an upgrade from his C64
[15:44:39] <jthornton> be back in a bit need to put the display on the RPi in the coop so the code runs
[15:44:48] <phipli> he gave us some 60s oscilloscopes and signal generators
[15:51:16] <fragalot> typically scopes are rated in the megahertz range
[15:51:18] <fragalot> not seconds
[15:51:19] <fragalot> :P
[15:51:51] <phipli> Rab : figlet "Hello" | cowsay -n | toilet --gay -f term
[15:53:15] <phipli> Rab, or even : figlet "Quack" | cowsay -f duck -n | toilet --gay -f term
[15:53:27] <fragalot> phipli: why not add -e xx to the cowsay
[15:54:23] <phipli> fragalot, but it doesn't work with the duck :)
[15:54:32] <fragalot> indeed it does not
[15:54:49] <fragalot> I forgot what toilet does.. care to remind me? :P
[15:55:31] <phipli> I'm using it to apply rainbow colours
[15:55:39] <fragalot> I see
[15:56:30] <Rab> phipli, superb
[15:56:46] <jthornton> phipli: I still have one hen that likes to fly up to my shoulder and ride around with me
[15:57:05] <phipli> jthornton, excellent :) we still have one that jumps up
[15:57:17] <phipli> she jumped on my arm while I was feeding them the other day
[15:57:32] <phipli> and is comfortable enough that I walked into the house through two closed doors with her still stood there
[15:58:40] <jthornton> mine won't go through a door lol they fly off when I open it
[15:59:19] <phipli> The two young ones are more tame than they were
[15:59:27] <phipli> they'll eat from my hand now
[15:59:35] <phipli> but nothing compared to the older one
[15:59:51] <jthornton> yours all getting along now?
[16:00:09] <phipli> I can move the older one with one hand because it will just sit on my hand if I pick it up
[16:00:13] <phipli> better, but not perfect
[16:00:42] <phipli> still the occasional squawk as soon as you turn your back (they know not to while you're watching)
[16:00:51] <jthornton> hmm my lights are on for some reason...
[16:00:59] <jthornton> lol
[16:01:46] <phipli> does it log to a file?
[16:02:11] <jthornton> no, I just add print statements or send some info to the screen
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[16:07:21] <jthornton> I think my logic if flawed
[16:28:44] <jthornton> oh yea I have different relays in the old coop they act normally not bassackwards like the 4 in one relays
[16:28:53] <phipli> :)
[16:28:58] <phipli> that would do it
[16:36:01] <jthornton> yea door was in the correct position so it didn't move I guess
[16:39:30] <jthornton> now I just have to wait till 5:16PM to see if the door closes lol
[16:39:45] <phipli> change the timezone to test it?
[16:40:35] <jthornton> that's a good idea
[16:43:15] <phipli> 21:43 here - set it to the UK :)
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[16:48:35] <jthornton> I have to set coordinates as well for astral to compute the sun times
[16:49:06] <jthornton> I just tested with the manual override switch and it works so I'll just work on something else for an hour or so
[16:57:48] <phipli> back in a bit
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[17:02:49] <phipli> Still find it amazing that my 8 core computer and monitor only needs 110W to idle
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[17:12:46] <Deejay> gn8
[17:12:55] <phipli> night
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[18:18:24] <jthornton> yea the door worked
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[18:36:06] <{HD}> Hey jthornton what app do you use to track the sun for chickens?
[18:36:16] <jthornton> astral
[18:36:23] <{HD}> Yea!
[18:36:30] <{HD}> I was racking my brain
[18:37:14] <jthornton> for python 2 or 3?
[18:38:40] <{HD}> Have a link to the www?
[18:39:03] <{HD}> I haven’t figured out my project completely yet.
[18:39:21] <jthornton> for python 3 pip-3.2 install Astral
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[18:41:16] <{HD}> A found a doc on pypi.org
[18:41:25] <{HD}> Seems good
[18:41:44] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:41:57] <jthornton> that's the gist of using it
[18:41:57] <{HD}> I like it tracks Rahukaalam also
[18:42:12] <jthornton> dinner time here
[18:42:57] <{HD}> You need astral to tell you that?
[18:43:14] <jthornton> no my nose tells me it's ready
[18:43:41] <jthornton> https://github.com
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[20:58:35] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com
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[21:41:30] <Lcvette> is anyone in here a old computer collector or know alot about them and compatibility?
[21:42:49] <Tom_itx> ask the real question
[21:43:22] <Tom_itx> how's the GUI comin along btw...
[21:44:00] <Tom_itx> how old? i'm running a P166 still
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[22:05:52] <jdh> I have a couple of PDP11's
[22:11:32] <SpeedEvil> jdh: have they ported skyrim to pdp/11 yet?
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[22:11:56] <SpeedEvil> I think my oldest working system is a Z80, which takes 4AAs
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[22:20:19] <flyback-> trs 80 100?
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[22:20:58] <weenerdog> howdy
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