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[01:58:25] <Lcvette> Who got the turret up and running now!
[01:58:46] <Lcvette> It is all fully functioning now except it only has one Hard drive
[01:58:47] <XXCoder> me!
[01:58:51] <XXCoder> heh
[01:59:02] <XXCoder> lathe turret right?
[01:59:10] <Lcvette> Yeah
[01:59:23] <XXCoder> youtube or its fake ;)
[02:00:23] <Lcvette> Hahaha... I will upload some vids tomorrow, I airway sit down the shop and changed
[02:00:43] <Lcvette> Already shut*
[02:00:50] <XXCoder> drat :)
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[02:01:03] <Lcvette> This is on the fanuc system
[02:01:04] <XXCoder> now send me shop so I can finally setup and use my cnc router
[02:01:30] <Lcvette> Shop?
[02:01:46] <XXCoder> yeah we planned to build a shop but ended up unable due to house problems
[02:01:59] <Lcvette> Ah
[02:02:13] <Lcvette> That's no good
[02:02:25] <XXCoder> yeah
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[03:10:44] <Deejay> moin
[03:25:52] <gloops> hello
[03:26:11] <XXCoder> heys
[03:26:27] <XXCoder> gloops: was it you who wanted to learn more about vismach?
[03:27:24] <gloops> hi, no not me XXCoder, no time to learn anything else atm
[03:28:04] <XXCoder> lol ok. well rolfmill was recently added to linuxcnc if you did want
[03:28:20] <XXCoder> someone was asking but didnt find out whpo
[03:33:40] <gloops> not been paying much attention to channel recently
[03:33:55] <XXCoder> didnt you work on ,mill?
[03:34:01] <XXCoder> upgrading it
[03:40:22] <gloops> no only got router, i use 2.8 gantry
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[03:41:25] <XXCoder> hmm ok lol
[03:41:33] <XXCoder> you running linuxcnc?
[03:41:41] <XXCoder> linuxcnc repo seems to be down here so cant update
[03:44:20] <gloops> yeah i use linuxcnc - the 2.8 master version, was improved for multiple joints per axis machines
[03:44:42] <gloops> worked fine for me so far ive had no glitches at all
[03:44:53] <XXCoder> nice
[03:45:10] <gloops> but i only do basic stuff so can hardly say ive pushed it to its limits
[03:45:47] <gloops> there was someone asking about vismach i just cant remember who it was
[03:45:58] <XXCoder> maybe there was nobody lol
[03:46:09] <XXCoder> we all remember person but nobody actually asked ;)
[03:47:40] <gloops> well, you sometimes get someone trying to get machine up and running, hangs around for a week or 2 then gone when it works
[03:51:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:51:58] <XXCoder> well we all got great example now so thats something in least
[03:52:15] <XXCoder> only unknown left is work
[03:52:43] <XXCoder> its supposely work stock information but all we get is a point so maybe theres something missing or something not developed for
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[04:16:08] <XXCoder> "Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at buildbot.linuxcnc.org."
[04:16:16] <XXCoder> blegh
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[05:47:40] <gloops> right, little bush to make to increase diameter of guide bearing on cutter
[05:50:04] <jthornton> morning
[05:52:27] <XXCoder> hey jt
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[06:08:58] <XXCoder> jthornton: seems linuxcnc buildbot is dowbn
[06:10:39] <jthornton> seems that way to me too
[06:11:47] <jthornton> yesterday I was trying to just show one part of the vismach but failed to figure it out lol kept getting an error about main TypeError: main() takes at least 3 arguments (3 given)
[06:12:29] <XXCoder> thats weird, but I guess you removed either tooltip or work?
[06:12:43] <XXCoder> the Capture() calls for those
[06:12:43] <jthornton> ah yea both of them
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[06:13:03] <XXCoder> yeah those must exist even if you dont use it anywhere
[06:13:27] <jthornton> ok I'll give it a whirl in a bit... seems my chicken code has a flaw for winter light
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[06:16:48] <XXCoder> my first version of rolfmill is just base and column and it had tooltip and work defined and captured but not used besides main call
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[07:04:55] <Tom_L> hello
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[07:07:20] <Vq> Greetings Tom
[07:09:17] <XXCoder> hey
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[07:50:57] <jthornton> morning Tom_L get any snow?
[07:51:26] <jthornton> XXCoder: got it to load but it throws out some tkinter errors so getting closer lol
[07:52:37] <XXCoder> strange
[07:52:55] <Vq> I had some snow here in Kalmar this morning. Doesn't seem like it hit the ground though.
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[08:03:28] <jthornton> XXCoder: do you still have your first vismill with just the column and base?
[08:03:55] <XXCoder> nah I have older version but it has ugly comments and missing z head but thats it
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[08:04:34] <XXCoder> if youre doing just floor and column you should comment out nearly everything and you just collect those 2 parts and use result in main()
[08:04:39] <jthornton> ok, I'll keep trying to show just the frame as an example showing the bare minimum to get it to display
[08:05:12] <XXCoder> bare minium would be simply one object (which is used in main()) tooptip and work and those own collect()
[08:05:13] <jthornton> I pretty much did that I think with copy and paste
[08:05:19] <XXCoder> err capture() I mean
[08:05:47] <jthornton> https://paste.ubuntu.com
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[08:07:41] <XXCoder> what was error? I wonder if some libraries is actually required, like system
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[08:11:08] <XXCoder> btw you can run vismach directly without linuxcnc
[08:11:22] <XXCoder> just do python (machine file)
[08:11:32] <XXCoder> it wont be able to run or anything but it will appear
[08:12:06] <XXCoder> unless it calls linuxcnc function like mine does lol
[08:13:52] <XXCoder> oh yours wouldnt need to import linuxcnc
[08:15:14] <jthornton> I get an index out of range error
[08:15:24] <XXCoder> yep me too
[08:16:35] <XXCoder> hmm
[08:16:46] <XXCoder> looks like tooltip and work must be part of something
[08:16:56] <XXCoder> I just included it into model with fram
[08:16:58] <XXCoder> and it worked
[08:17:40] <XXCoder> lemme see if it is name model thats required or inclusion of those 2 or tooltip in least
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[08:18:46] <jthornton> ok
[08:18:54] <XXCoder> confirmed, work and tooltip must be part of a object
[08:19:51] <XXCoder> work actually not as I just did tooltip
[08:20:40] <jthornton> can you paste.ubuntu.com that?
[08:20:50] <XXCoder> sure a sec ill use dpaste
[08:21:13] <XXCoder> http://dpaste.com
[08:22:08] <jthornton> ah I see now, thanks now I can show the most simple example for someone to start with
[08:22:41] <XXCoder> im wrong with work it must be part also
[08:23:04] <XXCoder> just add work after tooltip in line 43
[08:24:13] <jthornton> breakfast is ready be back in a bit
[08:24:26] <XXCoder> going to bed soon so talk later :)
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[08:34:13] <weenerdog> good mawnin
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[09:20:46] <JT-Shop> morning
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[09:45:38] * jthornton gives up on vismach for the day just too frustrating with no meaningful errors
[09:47:56] <weenerdog> ya. power button is there for your sanity sometimes.
[09:49:15] <weenerdog> i've had to shift gears. fusion 360 aint all that. lots of polygons chokes it. like not chokes the computer. i'm patient. just makes fusion poop lol
[09:50:04] <weenerdog> has a friggin hard limit to the number of polygons you can turn from a surface to a body.
[09:50:23] <weenerdog> just says "nope i'm not going to try that"
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[10:21:39] <Tom_L> jthornton, no
[10:23:31] <Tom_L> 34�F Hi 67 and clear
[10:24:23] <weenerdog> nice day
[10:25:15] <JT-Shop> we are similar here today
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[10:32:37] <weenerdog> frozen fog in the trees here. beautiful.
[10:39:12] <jdh> you should hit the mountain behind your house
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[11:04:09] <Jymmm> Can anyone suggest a inexpensive/abundant low voltage valve that could be used for air?
[11:04:33] <Jymmm> ...less than 120PSI
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[11:14:31] <Jymmm> Hmmm, the lights are on but nobody's home =(
[11:17:30] <jdh> any of hundreds
[11:17:45] <jdh> most are good to 160 or 200
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[11:18:00] * JT-Shop thinks it's a trick question...
[11:20:57] <jdh> because you have touched hundreds of them?
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[11:33:35] <JT-Shop> inexpensive/abundant air valve... never heard of one that matches that
[11:41:02] * Tom_L googles inexpensive/abundant.... google just laughed at me
[11:41:22] <JT-Shop> lol
[11:47:12] <Jymmm> Well, I'm working on an early warning air horn system, but it's a BIG forest and no idea much about air valves and for use in the snow
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[11:47:42] <weenerdog> sasquatch alarm?
[11:48:57] <Jymmm> weenerdog: https://en.wikipedia.org(2018)
[11:49:15] <weenerdog> ah
[11:51:19] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: inexpensive + life-safety seems questionable.
[11:51:38] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: If it's intended for one-time-use, a ball bearing hot-glued to a pipe.
[11:51:58] <SpeedEvil> (perhaps not that exact solution, but something from the sprinkler industry also)
[11:52:50] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: True, but ANYTHING is better than nothing at all. I was thingking sprinkler valve. There needs to be "many" of them setup and all remote/radio activated.
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[11:54:16] <SpeedEvil> something that runs off standard fire extinguishers?
[11:55:37] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Might be too expensive (CO2), was thinking 4" PVC pipe and nitrogen (no water)
[11:56:18] <SpeedEvil> Are you meaning to pressurise the pipe?
[11:56:24] <SpeedEvil> That is a bad idea.
[11:57:11] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: As the "air source"... 4" pvc pipe 2-4 ft long. PVC is rated at 120 PSI, only gong up to 100PSI (mostly for the volume, not pressure)
[11:57:41] <weenerdog> i'd look for super loud car horns. just straight electrical. 12v.
[11:58:57] <Jymmm> weenerdog: Maybe, but I don't think loud enough. Can barely hear a car horn up here 40ft away in the forest.
[12:00:14] <Jymmm> Need something along the lines of a boat/trian horn that cna be heard 2-5 miles away
[12:00:23] <weenerdog> gawd
[12:00:53] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: you're I think vastly underestimating the power needed.
[12:01:23] <weenerdog> no shit. square of the distance & all
[12:01:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Power, as in volume/pressure?
[12:01:42] <weenerdog> you'd kill more wildlife with sound pressure than the fire would
[12:01:46] <SpeedEvil> volume*pressure
[12:02:02] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Well, 80CF nitrogen tank is an option
[12:02:03] <SpeedEvil> Wikipedia says car horns are typically 110dB
[12:02:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Yeah, need like 130db+
[12:02:28] <weenerdog> https://www.amazon.com
[12:02:40] <SpeedEvil> 130dB will not actually go that much further.
[12:02:48] <weenerdog> no twont
[12:03:15] <SpeedEvil> A naive calculation would say 5 times further, but that's very, very optimistic in trees
[12:03:51] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm open to suggestions. could do muiltiple 250CF nitrogen tanks
[12:03:51] <weenerdog> a battery powered sound source you can hear at 2-5 mi. in a forest would be an engineering feat.
[12:04:01] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: who are you trying to alert?
[12:04:13] <SpeedEvil> If they don't know why they can hear a faint siren in the distance, ...
[12:04:56] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: That's the idea of multiple horns... the pattern tells them which direction of evacuation
[12:05:17] <SpeedEvil> Trained people?
[12:05:27] <jthornton> yea tornado alarms are very big, very expensive and mounted real high on towers...
[12:05:55] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: peons, but there would be signs on the highway (idealy)
[12:06:26] <jthornton> hmmm soylent green time
[12:07:00] <weenerdog> the OTHER other white meat
[12:07:04] <Jymmm> jthornton: The problem they had up here was that evacuation routes where blocked and the fire "split" the highways, so some needed to go up to get out, while most went down into the heart of the fire to "evac"
[12:08:41] <Jymmm> I know this isn't perfect, and might not work at all, just trying something, anything, and see how it goes.
[12:10:14] <SpeedEvil> What area are you trying to cover?
[12:10:37] <weenerdog> lit up drone constellation in the sky pointing the evac route out :)
[12:10:58] <Jymmm> I was 40 miles away from home and saw the smoke, called the better half and she said it was perfectly clear skies. HAd I not called and told her "dont go south", she would have never know there was a fire as EVERYTHING went dead shortly after and she would have driven into the heart of it instead over the mountain
[12:12:20] <roycroft> you should try raking your forest
[12:12:24] <roycroft> then these things would not happen
[12:12:28] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Well... the highways in that 200K acre area for a start
[12:12:32] <roycroft> lazy californians
[12:12:48] <Jymmm> roycroft: rack?! Nah, leaf blower and a 4 mile exension cord ;)
[12:13:05] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the only practical way would be large towers to clear the trees with very, very large horn systems on them.
[12:13:29] <SpeedEvil> This lets the sirens not propagate through the trees, but through the air.
[12:13:40] <jthornton> and 360 degree cameras
[12:14:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: True, there are only a couple of "real" firewatch towers, and they have remote cameras, but it's the "alert" system that is lacking.
[12:14:50] <roycroft> an alert system in a rural, forested area is inherently challenging
[12:15:05] <SpeedEvil> To alert untrained people worse.
[12:15:35] <SpeedEvil> I assume there is no phone signal?
[12:15:40] <Jymmm> roycroft: Yep, and they have been "working on it" for 9 years (which means they have done nothing at all)
[12:16:18] <roycroft> speedevil: a phone alert system would only be partially effective
[12:16:36] <roycroft> i'm not sure if you realise how quickly a fire can spread
[12:16:38] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: They sent out the robocall, but the fiber up here is 40 miles away, so cal/internet/landlines are not reliable
[12:16:42] <Jymmm> even normally
[12:17:04] <Jymmm> cell*
[12:17:04] <roycroft> sometimes it can suddenly threaten a large area with only a few moments' notice
[12:17:13] <roycroft> it takes time to call people
[12:17:17] * jthornton has fiber 1 mile away that is connected to nothing on each end...
[12:17:24] <roycroft> even when the infrastructure is completely intact
[12:17:25] <Jymmm> roycroft: This was a VERY fast fire
[12:17:28] <roycroft> yes
[12:17:36] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: I was meaning some sort of live alert app, with an alert if you lose signal.
[12:17:41] <roycroft> as were the two in malibu
[12:18:00] <roycroft> that's why these fires are so tragic
[12:18:12] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: Well, I suspect some people in this fire were in the 'already dead' category if they were in particular spots.
[12:18:22] <SpeedEvil> As they couldn't evacuate in time whatever they did.
[12:18:27] <roycroft> sadly yes, speedevil
[12:18:31] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Cell coverage up here just 2 miles up the road is non existant.
[12:18:52] <roycroft> this is what some humans do not yet comprehend
[12:19:04] <roycroft> a mighty species are we, strong-willed and resourceful
[12:19:19] <roycroft> but nature is still more powerful than humans
[12:19:33] <roycroft> sometimes nature is going to win no matter what
[12:20:14] <Jymmm> Ghetto horn system, crap loads of them. I cna get a radiosignal all over the mountian here, I've tested multipele times, just not cell
[12:20:45] <SpeedEvil> I think a non ghetto horn system may work out cheaper.
[12:21:29] <Jymmm> CHP got lost on the other end of the back road, asked for drections, and said ging there, just follow me... Had them folow me 12 miles ont he back roads , they were grateful =)
[12:21:31] <SpeedEvil> In that the range may be so much better with elevated towers that you may need so many less of them.
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[12:22:29] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I truly do realize that, height is key. Might be able to hoist them up in trees even. All self contained
[12:22:56] <SpeedEvil> Even if you get 100m range with your ghetto system, you still need 20000 or so of them
[12:23:42] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: True, thus cheap pvc pipe. MAybe 200 of them, basically along the highways, as a test
[12:24:21] <SpeedEvil> Putting them in trees means you need people qualified to get up in trees to emplace and maintain them.
[12:24:50] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I used to use a fancy sling shot to hoist wire antennas in trees
[12:25:17] <roycroft> a crossbow would work well for that
[12:25:36] <SpeedEvil> Putting a >>10lb thing in trees if not done properly risks it falling on someone.
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[12:26:31] <roycroft> there's something to be said for deforested zones and moats :)
[12:26:35] <SpeedEvil> Also, PVC under pressure especially in cold conditions is basically a grenade.
[12:27:05] <Jymmm> grey conduit
[12:27:22] <Jymmm> just not pressure rated, but won't shatter
[12:28:08] <Jymmm> could even "sleeve" it to prevent grenade effect(s)
[12:28:50] <Jymmm> I guess think "open source hardware project"
[12:28:51] <jthornton> in cali it's probably illegal anyway as it's been deemed to be a cancer causing something or other
[12:29:14] <Jymmm> jthornton: crossing the street causes cancer
[12:29:41] <Jymmm> https://www.amateurradiosupplies.com
[12:30:26] <Jymmm> My bigger concern is the rubber membrain for the air horn in the wintertime
[12:32:24] <Jymmm> well, surviving the winter that is
[12:33:06] <Jymmm> diy boat air horn https://www.youtube.com
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[12:40:24] <Jymmm> PVC ship horn diaphragm... poly carb diaphrag, ineresting https://www.youtube.com
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[12:51:19] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Everyone has been EXTREMELY generous during this fire. even tmobile was going away phones and unlimited service for 30 days no questions asked. I'm sure that SPI (the copany that owns the few million acres of forestry up here would offer to help install on trees properly
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[12:59:33] <HighInBC> we should all send rakes so this does not happen again
[13:00:31] <fragalot> hey
[13:00:39] <HighInBC> hehe
[13:00:54] <fragalot> Jymmm: after those 30 days, does it automatically get renewed?
[13:02:09] <fragalot> (no questions asked, of course :))
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[13:25:27] <roycroft> everybody but one person has been extremely generous
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[13:25:37] <roycroft> that one person has been truly horrible
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[15:59:26] * JT-Shop ponders how to cut a polygon from a square on a bandsaw...
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[16:01:27] <crazyben> test
[16:01:34] <JT-Shop> fail
[16:01:35] <crazyben> Anyone there?
[16:01:37] <crazyben> :-D
[16:01:56] <JT-Shop> no we are all here
[16:03:33] <crazyben> Hello, I am trying to access http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org to upgrade Linuxcnc 2.7.14 to 2.8 (which is the version of my current running but old aged machine)
[16:03:50] <crazyben> any idea on that?
[16:07:54] <JT-Shop> seems to be down
[16:10:46] <JT-Shop> you might no way for anyone to tell
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[16:19:11] <gloops> you can upgrade from synaptic
[16:24:33] <crazyben> thank you gloops
[16:25:29] <gloops> i cant remember the name of the file, just look for 2.8 and/or master
[16:26:42] <crazyben> currently 2.8 is running as inplace
[16:26:56] <gloops> i think 2.8 will upgrade any existing configs you have though, so if you want to save an original...
[16:29:58] <crazyben> how did you configure synaptic to upgrade without access to buildbot?
[16:31:28] <JT-Shop> if you have a buildbot deb you can't upgrade while buildbot is down
[16:31:54] <JT-Shop> if you want to build from scratch you can get it from github
[16:32:16] <JT-Shop> https://github.com
[16:33:42] <JT-Shop> if you have a RIP you can build a deb and install that if you like
[16:33:59] <crazyben> this is what I ment - thank you JT. I tried to configure using "./configure --with-realtime=uspace --enable-non-distributable=yes". When I run now "make install", I get the prompt "Makefile:519: *** You configured run-in-place, but are trying to install. For an installable version, run configure without --enable-run-in-place and rebuild." ... but I did not specify this parameter for run-in-place
[16:34:34] * JT-Shop looks for his notes on building a deb
[16:37:29] <JT-Shop> from the linuxcnc directory in a terminal debian/configure -r ; debuild -uc -us
[16:37:38] <JT-Shop> that should build your deb
[16:38:24] <JT-Shop> hmmm that may not be exactly right I see the same line in the RTAI notes :(
[16:39:04] <JT-Shop> debian/configure uspace ; debuild -uc -us
[16:39:08] <JT-Shop> there you go
[16:39:31] <crazyben> Give me a second please..
[16:43:18] <crazyben> .. I have to prepare the machine with the dependencies
[16:44:13] <JT-Shop> I'm in and out... almost time to make chickens salad
[16:47:39] <crazyben> thank you so far :-)
[16:52:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Wait... you making chicken salad, or making the chicken's salad?
[16:52:45] <JT-Shop> the latter
[16:52:46] <HighInBC> mostly seed
[16:52:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: oh, heh =)
[16:53:16] <HighInBC> you make chickens salad, so that later you can make chicken salad
[16:54:09] <JT-Shop> banana, left over tomato and left over lettuce and maybe a grape or three
[17:01:38] <Tom_L> is 2.8 preempt-rt only?
[17:02:26] <crazyben> don't know, but looks like my setup is missing rtai-modules-4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 | rtai-modules-4.9.0-8-rt-amd64
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[17:18:21] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: no
[17:18:56] <JT-Shop> crazyben: what does this return uname -a
[17:19:04] <Deejay> gn8
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[17:20:11] <crazyben> Linux HP8440p 4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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[17:20:42] <JT-Shop> hmm what says your missing rtai anything?
[17:21:24] <crazyben> JT: the command "debian/configure -r ; debuild -uc -us"
[17:21:41] <JT-Shop> yea don't use that one use the second one I posted
[17:22:24] <JT-Shop> the first one was for RTAI...
[17:22:24] <crazyben> JT: where should the
[17:22:33] <crazyben> JT: where should the deb-file be created?
[17:23:00] <JT-Shop> it will be in the directory above the linuxcnc directory
[17:23:16] <JT-Shop> did you find the second configure line above?
[17:24:25] <crazyben> JT: eeeks.. looks like it is running now using "debian/configure uspace ; debuild -uc -us"
[17:26:23] <crazyben> JT: Do you know what "uspace" means in this case?
[17:33:38] <weenerdog> i just reserved a sweet cabin on airb&b for gf and me my birthday weekend :))) with hot tub
[17:39:02] <crazyben> JT: build has completed now
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[17:43:54] <crazyben> JT: which one of debs is now the proper one?
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[17:52:48] <JT-Shop> it will be something like linuxcnc-uspace_2.8.0...
[17:53:08] <JT-Shop> and doc_en for the documents
[17:53:34] <JT-Shop> weenerdog: where at?
[17:54:22] <JT-Shop> crazyben: it means to build for the preempt rt kernel
[17:54:25] <crazyben> JT: installed now the deb - going to test now
[17:55:07] <JT-Shop> actually this is the best way as you can pick when you want to upgrade so keep the deb somewhere
[17:55:39] <JT-Shop> to upgrade in the future update the git clone then build the deb again etc
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[17:58:16] <crazyben> JT: I have to restart the machine now and do the connection to the machine. will be back 10-30 minues
[17:59:48] <Roguish> hey JT, how are those chickens doing?
[17:59:59] <weenerdog> jt : gatlinburg
[18:00:07] <weenerdog> well... sevierville
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[18:00:47] <JT-Shop> nice place, we stay in weirs valley they have a fantastic italian restaurant there
[18:01:37] <JT-Shop> cabin was up... way up... straight up almost lol
[18:02:31] <JT-Shop> Roguish: they are spoiled and have gone to the roost already today
[18:02:51] <Roguish> hope the gals are laying.
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[18:03:23] <Roguish> I just ordered a cell battery holder and cell battery for my rice cooker.
[18:03:27] <JT-Shop> I get about 50% right now with the short days but starting this morning they got extra 5 minutes of light
[18:03:45] <Roguish> the manufacture solded the cell battery to the pcb.
[18:03:57] <Roguish> and of course the battery died.
[18:04:06] <JT-Shop> you have a battery powered rice cooker?
[18:04:22] <Roguish> no, it runs a clock and timer.
[18:04:34] <weenerdog> sounds like the same cabin, jt. they said it was straight up to it. its out of town. secluded.
[18:04:36] <JT-Shop> ah, had me going for a bit lol
[18:04:59] <Roguish> so i unsolderd the battery and am going to replace it with holder, and battery.
[18:05:49] <JT-Shop> http://www.volunteercabinrentals.com
[18:05:56] <Roguish> gotta love Digikey. open on saturdays.
[18:06:09] <JT-Shop> weenerdog: that is who we rented the cabin from
[18:06:23] <weenerdog> nah this one's on airb&b
[18:06:35] <weenerdog> who knows. it looks cozy. and has a hot tub. woo hoo
[18:06:56] <JT-Shop> most of them have a hot tub
[18:07:32] <JT-Shop> Geppetto’s Restaurant 250 Wears Valley Rd, Sevierville, TN 37862
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[18:08:08] <JT-Shop> 3250 Wears Valley Rd, Sevierville, TN 37862
[18:08:15] <JT-Shop> opps lost the 3
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[18:08:55] <crazyben> I am back
[18:09:14] * JT-Shop runs and hides
[18:09:26] <weenerdog> this one is on pittman center rd. i'll let you know how it is the 23rd of dec :)
[18:09:30] <JT-Shop> weenerdog: http://www.volunteercabinrentals.com
[18:10:07] <weenerdog> oh that looks sweet. way to big for us 2. ours is 1 br
[18:10:12] <JT-Shop> last time we went in October on the bike it was really cold the day we left lol
[18:10:19] <weenerdog> ja
[18:10:26] <JT-Shop> that's 1 bedroom
[18:10:45] <weenerdog> i own a little motel on the NC side on the parkway. i've seen the weather surprise bikers before.
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[18:12:15] <JT-Shop> that sounds like work lol
[18:13:25] <weenerdog> sometimes
[18:13:51] <weenerdog> i got it for nothing in 2012 because it was a wreck. my kung fu is strong on tripadvisor now :)
[18:14:14] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:14:30] <weenerdog> well... nothing being around $150 but it was a bargain
[18:14:45] <JT-Shop> how many units?
[18:17:45] <weenerdog> 2 cottages and 6 suites
[18:18:00] <weenerdog> i just went to seasonal/yearly only. way less work and better $
[18:18:21] <JT-Shop> nice
[18:18:50] <JT-Shop> well time to do a bed check on the chickens and lock them down and set out the claymores...
[18:21:04] <XXCoder> hey all
[18:21:23] <weenerdog> xx howdy
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[18:22:20] <XXCoder> whats up
[18:22:37] <weenerdog> steamin shrimps
[18:23:01] <XXCoder> cool. drinking soylent
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[18:29:27] <jthornton> mmm yummy
[18:32:00] <Tom_L> jthornton, are you running 2.8 on anything?
[18:32:27] <jthornton> on the plasma
[18:32:54] <Tom_L> how would i set up a separate directory/install so i can run both?
[18:33:17] <jthornton> to run both you need one to be a RIP
[18:33:20] <Tom_L> or is that possible
[18:33:45] <jthornton> AFAIK not possible to have both installed...
[18:35:14] <Tom_L> did you have a reason to upgrade it on the plasma?
[18:35:39] <jthornton> yea I was trying out the offset branch
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[19:22:26] <XXCoder> jthornton: https://www.youtube.com lol
[19:24:07] <XXCoder> he got better hardware than my cnc router to fiddle around with it
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[22:27:06] <ChunkyPuffs> anybody got any idea how to handle ordering of toolpaths in fusion?
[22:27:31] <ChunkyPuffs> we can't get it to do an adaptive cut to create a border/tunnel/trench/boundary last instead of first
[22:28:08] <weenerdog> i'm mad at fusion
[22:30:50] <ChunkyPuffs> y
[22:31:17] <weenerdog> because it chokes on not that many polygons. not my computer. fusion.
[22:31:21] <XXCoder> why angry to fusion?
[22:31:22] <XXCoder> ah
[22:31:39] <ChunkyPuffs> Streaming again at https://twitch.tv
[22:31:42] <XXCoder> whats your video card? because that depends on a good video card
[22:31:53] <ChunkyPuffs> gt 710 is what I have and it's running fine
[22:32:03] <ChunkyPuffs> we're trying to get an outline boundary and having trouble
[22:32:32] <weenerdog> nah it refuses to go above a certain number. just gives you a dialog box that says "um... no"
[22:32:44] <weenerdog> and its like 40,000
[22:32:56] <XXCoder> thats weird
[22:33:02] <weenerdog> my dog's computer can handle 40,000 polygons in rhino3d lol
[22:33:13] <ChunkyPuffs> We have it right but we can't get what we want to occur in a helical ramp
[22:33:15] <XXCoder> I wonder if they intentionally limited it,
[22:33:21] <XXCoder> s your fusion registered?
[22:33:26] <weenerdog> ja
[22:33:34] <weenerdog> why wouldn't you?
[22:33:48] <XXCoder> paid or sub-100000 free register?
[22:34:00] <XXCoder> (income of less than 100k)
[22:34:00] <weenerdog> freebie
[22:35:03] <XXCoder> I never made model that complex so dunno.
[22:35:13] <XXCoder> whats error anyway? out of memory at gpu?
[22:35:21] <weenerdog> its just some celtic knotwork i made to carve
[22:35:36] <weenerdog> no fusion just says "no. fuck you. i'm not doing it. operation aborted"
[22:36:45] <weenerdog> its a surface made from a heightfield i made in rhino, export as obj, import into fusion, which it does instantaneously.
[22:37:36] <flyback> +
[22:39:24] <weenerdog> try to convert to a body and it just says "nah"
[22:40:57] <weenerdog> mesh to b-rep. it says "are you there god? its me margaret"
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[22:47:08] <Getty> Hi :D
[22:47:23] <XXCoder> weenerdog: well you could do it other way
[22:47:36] <XXCoder> just make program to draw one tile
[22:47:48] <XXCoder> then make gcode to engrave it at many locations
[22:48:15] <XXCoder> make sure the section engraving a tile is all relative so you can call that function repeatively
[22:48:26] <weenerdog> yeah
[22:49:14] <weenerdog> i'll break it down into pieces. i was just pissed that fusion told me 'no'
[22:49:31] <XXCoder> yeah 50k poly is nothing reall
[22:50:03] <weenerdog> i intentionally did something with a lot of polygons to prove my concept but i didn't dream it would choke on 40k
[22:50:51] <weenerdog> and i'm used to autocad. usually it will just say "ok" and stay gone a while if you dog it
[22:51:08] <XXCoder> thats also much more dosh
[22:51:21] <weenerdog> si
[22:52:27] <Getty> my dad recently died and i am trying to make a good use of his lab stuff, which included this CNC machine. It was controlled via DOS computer (with a CRT :D) but i think to make it worth i would switch that to Linux CNC, or at least i plan to
[22:53:13] <weenerdog> Getty, i think you will meet with success
[22:53:21] <Getty> https://i.imgur.com that is the machine. i am not in any rush here, so my first step would be aquiring the required hardware.
[22:53:44] <Getty> Getting the computer is of course more or less no problem, even tho i am still kinda unsure what it needs, but i feel like it is all about the I/O card, right?
[22:54:29] <weenerdog> i'm the official channel noob
[22:54:36] <XXCoder> is it cnc router?
[22:54:38] <weenerdog> and they're kind
[22:54:45] <Getty> my problem i already see facing me is the acquiring of that I/O card, or at least thats the common problem ;) finding the right german dealer that delivers the special sh*t i need
[22:55:01] <XXCoder> Getty: you got few options for IS
[22:55:03] <Getty> XXCoder: you are already overloading me, what you mean with that? :D
[22:55:04] <weenerdog> i would think you wont have to deal with them
[22:55:16] <XXCoder> er I/O
[22:55:17] <Getty> i mean the CNC Router question, what is a CNC Router?
[22:55:29] <weenerdog> getty : what does it machine? what material?
[22:55:32] <XXCoder> oh theres in general 3 types of machine
[22:55:37] <XXCoder> mill, router and lathe
[22:55:53] <Getty> it was doing fronts of devices, so harder plastic
[22:55:59] <weenerdog> it looks too clean to be a router. there would be shit everywhere lol
[22:56:03] <XXCoder> mill is regular mill tend to be long on length, short on width
[22:56:06] <Getty> but i think he did more with it, also drilling boards
[22:56:19] <XXCoder> cnc router is large on surface area but short on z height
[22:56:20] <Getty> weenerdog: we removed already the shit ;)
[22:57:00] <weenerdog> looks like a router
[22:57:01] <Getty> it is for sure not having much Z
[22:57:02] <XXCoder> im not certain wghat your machine uses in terms of motion
[22:57:13] <Getty> ok wait, one small general question first:
[22:57:13] <XXCoder> servos or stepper
[22:57:38] <Getty> we do actually not talk about "the device" here, it is just a bunch of "things" (servos and stuff) and Linux CNC controls every one of those independent, right?
[22:57:42] <Getty> just to put my in the bigger picture
[22:57:53] <skunkworks> slosyn... steppers
[22:57:59] <XXCoder> well you have few controller options
[22:58:23] <weenerdog> i'd love to be starting with that
[22:58:24] <XXCoder> you could go cheap and get BOB (breakout board) for parallel port, and use tb6600s for linuxcnc to control it
[22:58:45] <XXCoder> or you could get MESA and whatever step stuff it uses
[22:58:46] <Getty> well, i must say, i dont need to be necessary cheap
[22:59:01] <Getty> i would prefer something that gives me more options as i need
[22:59:08] <XXCoder> first option isnt even over 100 for all 3 tb6600s and one BOB
[22:59:10] <Getty> i like to play :D
[22:59:21] <XXCoder> MESA card is around 100 to 150 bucks?
[22:59:46] <XXCoder> im not too sure if it can control steppers directly or needs something to run steppoers
[22:59:51] <Getty> is there some kind of "fat" I/O board with PCI/PCIe that is supported by Linux CNC and is commonly spread so that i for sure get it here easily?
[22:59:59] <weenerdog> <Getty> well, i must say, i dont need to be necessary cheap <--- first time this has ever been said here? lol
[23:00:00] <XXCoder> jthornton knows a lot of MESA, as well as machine design in general
[23:00:17] <Getty> weenerdog: i am a lab, not a production ;)
[23:00:18] <XXCoder> weenerdog: maybe? lol im cheapass in this channel.
[23:00:41] <XXCoder> my entire machine cost me just $400 or so
[23:01:19] <Getty> ok, let me tell you the vision i have here, my idea would be to get some I/O board with all kind of I/O possibilities so that most of the stuff that i could do can be done, and then like get the fitting PC to that
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[23:01:35] <Getty> so like one time investing into this for a basis that i can extend in several directions without knowing yet which i want
[23:02:02] <XXCoder> honestly in terms of glexability mesa is better
[23:02:13] <XXCoder> it can do far more stuff than bob/tb6600s can
[23:02:18] <Getty> MESA... ok
[23:02:27] <XXCoder> ask jthornton when hes in
[23:02:39] <Getty> uh! with that keyword i already found a german dealer
[23:02:44] <Getty> https://lonnox.de
[23:03:18] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:03:19] <Getty> ok i see, that looks like the right choice i feel....
[23:03:32] <Getty> i mean not gonna buy it now :D just feeling that this is the right direction, or?
[23:03:45] <XXCoder> now what you will also need is little bit older pc, which is set to do NO power management, and decent video card
[23:03:56] <XXCoder> that website is unknown to me
[23:04:18] <Getty> well its a german one so thats clear ;) hehe
[23:04:38] <XXCoder> video card should be gamer card of some kind though dont have to be fancy. if computer has onboard video card, disable it (onboard as in bilt in motherboard not seperate card)
[23:04:42] <Getty> but thast the common problem, given the legal shit german companies have to follow, its kinda annoying to order stuff outside of germany, so we always seek a german dealer :D
[23:04:52] <Getty> why gamer card?
[23:04:56] <Getty> cause of features or cause of power?
[23:05:02] <XXCoder> wild guess thats why germany set it that way
[23:05:09] <Getty> i got a featureless 4 head Quattro beast
[23:05:13] <XXCoder> anyway video card only sorta affect latency
[23:05:23] <Getty> can you explain?
[23:05:28] <XXCoder> inbuilt however polls cpu a lot more
[23:05:41] <XXCoder> it hits latency so much makes it useless for linuxcnc
[23:05:42] <Getty> why is video card impacting latency so meaningful as you make it look? :)
[23:06:03] <Getty> i mean that sounds like its crucial to have a very decent card
[23:06:05] <XXCoder> it only indirectly affects latency as better gamer cards handles stuff more on its own
[23:06:26] <XXCoder> but it dont have to be super high end
[23:06:30] <Getty> oh, you mean primary cause of the visualization of the stuff?
[23:06:34] <XXCoder> you could use 10 year old gamer card
[23:06:46] <XXCoder> nah more card handles on its own, less it bothers cpu
[23:06:47] <Getty> so while it runs, it displays stuff, and that should be "smooth" else you get latency in the flow?
[23:07:11] <XXCoder> so less interrupts cpu get, the better latency even when its busy
[23:07:41] <XXCoder> you want latency to be as low as possible when playing HD video, few glxgears and some cpu eating programs
[23:07:45] <Getty> i could go low and get another ZOTAC Box..... i have them already like candy everywhere
[23:07:57] <XXCoder> it should be less than 100,000 minium
[23:08:04] <XXCoder> *max
[23:08:29] <XXCoder> so really all you need is any decent gamer video card can be 10 years old
[23:08:30] <Getty> ah no wait i need a PCIe....
[23:08:55] <XXCoder> my linuxcnc pc has very high end gamer card... was near tops 15 years ago
[23:09:03] <XXCoder> its my old game pc after all lol
[23:09:10] <Getty> hehe
[23:09:24] <Getty> normally all PCs here have at least a 1060
[23:09:46] <Getty> if you dont know that is decent nowadays ;)
[23:09:50] <XXCoder> what I did was just buy 8 gb ssd and use it for linuxcnc
[23:10:04] <XXCoder> and its now linuxcnc pc lol
[23:10:31] <XXCoder> linuxcnc dont need all that much disk space, 4 gb could do but I paud few bucks more for 8 gb because im spendy :P
[23:10:45] <XXCoder> it was $20 ssd if I recall right
[23:12:11] <XXCoder> anyway you can get away with lot of things with linuxcnc pc, as long as its not laptop or some weird hardware
[23:12:22] <Getty> i am still a bit confused about the gamer card topic, given that you talk about ancient gamer cards hehe ;)
[23:12:30] <Getty> i assume something like that will also do, or? https://en.wikichip.org
[23:12:33] <XXCoder> 2 biggies is turn off all power management and any era decent card
[23:13:04] <Getty> I could target a DELL PowerEdge T30, then i am sure there is no latency :D
[23:13:06] <XXCoder> hey any card that would cost $150 in any era lol no super cheap cards when it was new
[23:13:52] <XXCoder> of course if it was 20 years old you might look elsewhere LOL
[23:14:15] <Getty> Xeon E3 processor, 8 GB Ram and that gfx card, overpowered to the max :D
[23:14:32] <Getty> the sad part is really these days that it is really worth to buy that server if you want a PC with a PCIe slot
[23:14:37] <XXCoder> it would do just fine. what remains is go to bios and turn off all power saving
[23:15:00] <XXCoder> power management is BIGG hit on latency
[23:16:06] <Getty> I can't find any information about that yet, but the PowerEdge have an own computer as BIOS inside with an own webserver (i can actually power off power on via http), it is not really famous for saving power :D
[23:16:29] <Getty> is there a way i could test that? i mean like some common internal test you guys already know to find out if power saving is a topic?
[23:16:34] <Getty> then i could test it on my other PowerEdge
[23:16:41] <XXCoder> power management includes adjusting cpu speed or even turn off some cores as it idle
[23:17:01] <XXCoder> thats not good for linuxcnc latency
[23:17:17] <XXCoder> you'd have to enter bios and explore power options
[23:17:41] <XXCoder> many bios is pretty unique so you'd have to figure out how on your model
[23:17:49] <XXCoder> most common is f1 at bootup
[23:18:02] <XXCoder> weirdest one I ever saw was ctrl + f2
[23:18:06] <Getty> yeah i just thought you guys have a test to determine the latency
[23:18:11] <XXCoder> it does
[23:18:34] <XXCoder> its named "Latency test" in cnc menu
[23:18:39] <XXCoder> pretty strightforward.
[23:19:11] <Getty> but it needs the hardware, right?
[23:19:20] <Getty> and Linux CNC is complete OS, right? so i would hvae to install that first....
[23:19:26] <Getty> probably not running in docker Haha
[23:19:58] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:20:07] <XXCoder> think can do live cd boot
[23:20:23] <XXCoder> never bothered with that as I already had complete computer with blank hard drive
[23:20:40] <Getty> i anyway wanted to buy a T30 i think i am just working towards my dream here ;)
[23:20:40] <XXCoder> my poc latency was 15k
[23:21:04] <XXCoder> hey making your dad machine work again is awesome
[23:22:06] <Getty> well i also have a 3D Printer that my dad and I never packed out and a Pick&Place Machine.....
[23:22:13] <Getty> i have LITERALLY a complete lab here
[23:22:17] <XXCoder> pick and place wiow'
[23:22:24] <XXCoder> you can do cool stuff with that
[23:22:28] <Getty> i know
[23:22:34] <ziper> like what
[23:22:35] <Getty> my dad made a hardware device where i made the software for
[23:22:41] <XXCoder> like pick and place extremely complex glass bead surface for example
[23:22:43] <Getty> and its like sold hundred times
[23:23:12] <Getty> LED Controller
[23:23:19] <Getty> "classy"
[23:23:27] <XXCoder> someone made a clock using pick and place lol
[23:23:27] <Getty> best fade in the world! :D
[23:23:36] <Lcvette> https://youtu.be
[23:23:47] <XXCoder> just intentions pattern and pick and place moves bearings around
[23:23:51] <Lcvette> For you xxcoder
[23:23:56] <XXCoder> looking
[23:24:13] <Lcvette> It did happen! :D
[23:24:33] <XXCoder> awesome! getting to where it starts to work eh
[23:25:33] <XXCoder> dont have umm whats that thing called, it comes in and holds part on other side
[23:25:37] <XXCoder> typically cone
[23:25:54] <Getty> I once had to repair a drill machine from before WW2
[23:26:12] <weenerdog> lc : you made that?
[23:26:17] <Getty> not the machine itself, but the computer who controlled it, some IT genius had made some incredible crazy setup to control the machine
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[23:26:22] <XXCoder> lcv does it have built-in tool ,measure system
[23:26:51] <Getty> the CPU burned out, 486DX2/66... and we werent able to get a replacement one, only a 486DX4/100 and so all the timings blew up, we found half the source code but werent able to fix it :D
[23:26:58] <Getty> then we called the guy who made it 15 years ago or so
[23:27:11] <Getty> was like literally the only "IT" job i wasnt able to finish, but i had no chance
[23:27:23] <XXCoder> dang thats so old that my first pc is just a generation behind that, at 486 sx 33 mhz
[23:27:25] <Getty> was for parts like 10 meters metal
[23:27:58] <Tom_L> Lcvette that's an awfully clean machine for an old clunker
[23:30:21] <Lcvette> Lol
[23:30:54] <Lcvette> Tail stock, is a chucker type
[23:31:29] <Lcvette> Yeah this thing is old school
[23:31:32] <Lcvette> 8088
[23:31:37] <weenerdog> lc thats super cool
[23:31:43] <Lcvette> Pre 486
[23:31:57] <XXCoder> Getty: anyway yeah all you need is some simple adjustments and your pc will do great as linuxcnc controller
[23:32:22] <XXCoder> just avoid laptops or those weird pcs that uses internally a laptop type comuter
[23:32:47] <XXCoder> also probably want to avoid "all in one" as chances is those uses laptop type computer in it also
[23:32:54] <weenerdog> lol thats pre 286
[23:32:58] <Getty> yeah, i mean we need the PCIe
[23:33:02] <Getty> else i dont trust the I/O :D
[23:33:06] <Getty> so that drops out all the crap
[23:33:16] <Lcvette> Tom_L is super clean for 25 years old
[23:34:17] <Lcvette> Pcie 6i25
[23:45:07] <Tom_L> pfft any of the mesa cards would work fine for you probably
[23:45:24] <XXCoder> likely
[23:45:30] <Tom_L> 5i25, 6i25 are pci and pcie respectively
[23:45:43] <XXCoder> though could you tell if his machine uses servos or steppers
[23:46:17] <Tom_L> i didn't read the log
[23:46:34] <Getty> https://i.imgur.com
[23:46:51] <Tom_L> Lcvette it must not have been used much in production
[23:47:37] <Tom_L> Getty does it have motor drivers?
[23:48:18] <Getty> Tom_L: what you mean by that? This is all the machine, the rest was just a cable to the computer, parallel
[23:49:49] <Lcvette> Tom_L: no it was an educational training lathe, it only has 143hrs of on time total
[23:50:23] <Lcvette> Not spindle, but actual machine on time
[23:50:46] <Tom_L> it's not even broke in
[23:50:47] <Lcvette> Clock counts anytime the machine is powered on
[23:51:01] <Lcvette> 3 of those are since I've had it
[23:51:02] <XXCoder> thats around 10 days for one of busier machines at work.
[23:51:03] <Lcvette> Lol
[23:53:04] <Lcvette> Well the sitting didn't help it
[23:53:18] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:53:27] <XXCoder> some caps would blow if its been unpowered too long
[23:53:32] <Lcvette> It needed some tlc
[23:53:44] <Tom_L> Getty, this would probably do what you need: http://store.mesanet.com
[23:53:44] <XXCoder> theres certain era thats expecially sensive
[23:53:52] <XXCoder> 90s typically
[23:53:53] <Tom_L> ethernet interface
[23:54:26] <Lcvette> Needs to be pulled down and all the old grease removed that's hardened, and regreased with fresh
[23:55:01] <Getty> Tom_L: I thought about going the 6i25, so directly on the PCIe
[23:55:12] <Tom_L> that would work too
[23:55:36] <Getty> and then what is the extension card that i need for the CNC? 7i77 sounds like covering all anyway, right?
[23:55:40] <Tom_L> with either a stepper or servo daughter card depending on your motors
[23:55:52] <Getty> i have no idea what i have
[23:55:56] <Tom_L> find out
[23:56:12] <Tom_L> before you get anything
[23:56:15] <XXCoder> yeah have to know what machine has
[23:56:36] <Getty> yeah sure, but does that impact what we need to buy here? i feel like there are not that many options with the extension cards
[23:56:42] <Getty> or do i miss something?
[23:56:51] <Tom_L> i just said, stepper or servo
[23:56:57] <Tom_L> for the daughter card
[23:57:11] <Getty> Tom_L: i previously said, that i am anyway wanna go "multi purpose" so the more options always better
[23:57:13] <Tom_L> forget the numbers...
[23:57:29] <Getty> Tom_L: yeah no, i mean i look at those extension cards that the dealer there in front of me shows
[23:57:44] <Tom_L> mesa?
[23:57:46] <Getty> and it looks like that the 7i77 has servo, "spindel", input, output
[23:57:48] <Getty> yeah
[23:57:59] <Tom_L> but you don't know if you have servos or steppers
[23:58:00] <Getty> the other extension cards only have just outputs or just inputs
[23:58:15] <Tom_L> you need to find that out
[23:58:34] <Getty> yeah sure, will do, but what is it that either one needs? what is a servo need what is a stepper need?
[23:59:35] <Tom_L> http://store.mesanet.com
[23:59:45] <Getty> you must see my motivation more like: i want a linux cnc machine that allows me to start thinking about a lot of options i can conquer (and beside that making this CNC machine run of my dad), i am not like directly targeting to ONLY do that with the CNC machine
[23:59:46] <Tom_L> i believe that would be for stepeprs
[23:59:48] <Getty> thats why i ask
[23:59:48] <Tom_L> http://store.mesanet.com
[23:59:51] <Tom_L> and that for servo